6 weeks to go until the big Photokina event and it’s time to sum up the rumors about the next Sony products. Please note that some of these rumored products may be announced a couple of months after Photokina as I heard there will be another big announcement in early 2015. Here is the list of the rumored new Sony cameras and lenses with the probability of being announced (at Photokina or later) marked in “%”. I hope sources can tell me what’s right and what’s not right on that list after reading it 🙂
99% 16-35mm f/4.0 FE Zeiss: Definitely coming at Photokina (full article here).
99% Sony A5100: definitely coming at Photokina (full article here).
90% Sony RX1s: with curved FF sensor and 35mm f/1.8 Zeiss. If it doesn’t come at Photokina it will be certainly be announced a couple of months later (full article here).
90% QX 30: with 30x zoom coming at Photokina (full article here).
90% Sigma lenses: 24mm f/1.4 at Photokina and 85mm f/1.4 in 2015 (full article here).
90% Full Frame: At least one new Full Frame camera. Either a new A99II or another new FE model (or maybe both?) (full article here).
90% Sony G macro: To be announced at Photokina. Chinese source said it’s 90mm (35% chance this is correct) (full article here).
90% Zeiss FE manual: Maximum of five fast prime and manual focusing FE lenses to come (full article here).
90% Zeiss FE (autofocus) prime: To be announced at Photokina. “Chinese” source said it’s 35mm f/1.4 (30% chance this is correct). (full article here).
65% 20mm pancake: Updated version for APS-C E-mount (full article here).
65% Zeiss 135mm f/1.8: A-mount updated with SSM. 85mm A-mount update in 2015 (full article here).
50% Black and White FF: If it comes it’s likely to be a special edition RX FF camera (full article here).
50% Light field: Sony patented many different Light field sensor cameras. It may be shows as prototype at Photokina (full article here).
50% A-mount 24-105mm f/4.0: Coming along the A99II (full article here).
40% A5: Super compact and $1,000 Full Frame E-mount camera (full article here).
35% Sony medium format: Should be mirrorless and feature the 50MP Sony sensor (full article here).
30% 400mm f/4.0 A-mount: Should come at Photokina (full article here).
30% SAL 70-200 f/2.0: Great aperture but is it real? (full article here).
30% rotating semi transparent mirror: There is a patent, but don’t know if they make it (full article here).
15% NEX-7 successor: Don’t think this is coming (full article here).
Keep in mind: Some of those product may not be announced at Photokina but a couple of months later. And of course these are rumors so some of them may never become true. And because we can never be sure of what’s coming from Sony here is also a list of “impossible” rumors:
Dreams and surprises:
Low and High End A-mount FF cameras
Foveon sensor (would be surprised to see it coming now as I heard it’s scheduled for late 2015 early 2016 release)
Very High End E-mount camera (A9)
And what are you hoping to see from Sony?
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I hope sony will release:
1. APS-C A-mount low end camera to replace a58/a65
2. FF A-mount low end camera with A7s sensor:)
3. New cheap A-mount lenses 85 1.8 / 70-200 4
Not a SEL lens in sight . . .
In the list on top of the page there are 4 SEL lenses rumoured: the 16-35 f4, G Macro, 20 f2.8 and another FE prime. FE lenses are also SEL.
Presumably he means APS-C e-mount not FF e-mount… the difference of course being size, weight, focal lengths, cost…
For APS-C only, based on FL and speed, there is no reason to buy the FE 16-35 f4 over the current 16-70 f4.
20f2.8 was only rumoured due to a ‘clearance’ sale… nothing saying discontinued yet. No matter how this was updated the vast majority of APS-C wouldn’t care due to much FL overlap with existing lenses.
The APS-C lineup only needs a handful of lenses to be great:
50-150mm F4 (for around 70-200mm FF equiv) – effectively a high end tele
16-50mm F2.8 standard zoom
50-150mm F2.8 tele zoom
I doubt F2.8 will come anytime soon as they would probably be released for FE sooner.
I bet most are using cheap manual macros for an auto macro to not matter. or perhaps a manual zeiss is macro?
People ask for 85mm but they are mainly people who think in “classic” FF FOV terms. Don’t know that many here asking for a 127.5mm FF FOV equivalent.
It is strange….. Even Andrea dreams of more cameras – you don’t have to dream about that! Sony for sure will continue to crank out new cameras in every direction!
But lenses – no neither Sony people nor Andrea (sorry) seems to ever use cameras. ILC cameras need lenses. System cameras need lenses to be a system.
Sony releases more cameras than lenses which is STUPID.
A system has a number of lenes + Tamron and Sigma lenses. Still it needs more lenses.
E-system needs 30 lenses! And no more of low quality shit, sorry kit, zooms.
I have been whining here before about the same thing – this is my last outcry 🙂
Notice missing A-mount APS-C lens line-up update. No hope.
I suspect that Sony will concentrate their A-mount efforts to full frame lenses.
+1
But it makes me think about switching mount or brand. FF A-mount lenses are heavy, expensive and FF zooms luck a bit of microcontrast on APS-C 24Mpx.
If you are missing APS-C lenses then Sony doesn’t sound like your brand.
I believe that in the long-term they are going for the full frame shooters, leaving APS-C to E-mount, except possibly one high-end APS-C model like the A77 variants.
It’s why I am wondering if the A58 is being replaced or not. If we do get an A58II then I believe it’ll be the last 5 series SLT.
I am merely a hobbyist sitting at the top-end of APS-C, having the 70-400 etc (but not any Zeiss) so am happy with Sony’s direction.
If you feel that the lenses are heavy, why not buy the A7 or the upcoming A9, you could still use your current lenses with an adapter and switch to seriously small and lighter lenses
The apsc lens lineup has always been a but limited. The 16-50 is great, but a matching apsc telezoom is going you have limited attraction, when it has to go up against the 70-300, 70-200 and 70-400 (all future proof if you go FF in the future). The only obvious lens missing from the easy choice line up is a 24mm.
What about 55-200/4 SSM? I do not like easy choise line because of noisy SAM, aberations and cheap plastic L&F.
So basically, we know that there is an ilce-5100 coming, but we do not know squat about it?
That tells me that Sony have tightened up their ship, and that in turn means that other rumors may well be fake.
Yes the Sony contacts that Admin had do appear to have been silenced. Not the Admins fault of course, some great rumours came from here over the years, but this site is more and more a news site.
It is unfortunate that Sony don’t understand the benefit of leaking information, I would have swapped to a Nikon D7000 but SAR kept me here with A77 rumours.
Only partially correct. Of course Sony worked hard to “fix” their leaking lines. But I keep getting rumors from sources as usual. But the problem is that I have to threat those info more carefully than before to “protect” sources. What you read on SAR is just a tiny percentage of the rumros I get.
“protect’ sources? This sounds like high risk spy category stuff. very intriguing. Hope no one is getting shot for SAR leaks in the back alleys of Tokyo.
Look up what a NDA is
Just did. But why would anybody risk their jobs and prosecution for leaking information that could potentially spell financial damage
(competitors coming out sooner with a better product or copying a new tech, etc,.) to the company? I would like to understand their motivation.
People like to gossip it is in our nature.
Other people have hidden agendas and like to spread FUD to gain advantage.
Same reason why people gossip and talk behind each others backs… because they can’t keep their mouths shut! 😀
ILCE-5100 is just a small update with same sensor. Nothing exciting.
Is there a replacement to the RX100M3 being announced? I don’t want to purchase anything just yet if there’s a potential replacement out this year.
There certainly won’t be a replacement announcement two months after its release.
You’ll never purchase anything then!
Your purchase will be replaced in a year, just live with it and enjoy what you have, not what you could have.
Sony never replaced any RX100 camera. These are all current cameras. Sony added the RX100 Mark II next to the first RX100, with added features like articulated screen, wifi and hot shoe at a higher price. Then Sony added the Mark III which has a different lens, EVF, XACV-S and better articulated screen, again at a higher price. For some of us, the cheapest RX100 is good enough, while others couldn’t do without EVF and want the Mark III. Just set your budget or feature wish list and buy accordingly.
I think the SLT mirror is useless. It makes only trouble if it gets dusty I have an A65 but would never buy a camera again with a mirror.
If your mirror is getting “dusty” then you’d have a dusty sensor without it. At least with the mirror you can remove it and get a rocket blower on it, try that with a sensor.
I don’t have the issue you describe but then I take care when changing lenses.
Not really. The sensor has a dust remove function as it has an IBIS.
The mirror doesn’t.
All ILC cameras get dusty. Turn your camera off when you change lenses – less dust attraction.
Sad…no mention of RX10 upgrade. Sniff…
You mean the Panasonic FZ1000? 🙂
Seriously, don’t waste your money on junk like that.
So 6 new FE Zeiss primes with 90% of probability. That’s quite a lot !
yep! Althaugh I think most of them will be available in 2015.
Have you heard from your sources if one of these lenses will be either a 21mm or 24mm?
nope
Lots of new things. Great!
It’s nice to see a summary of all the current rumors.
I keep seeing people commenting in different forums that the prime coming is a 85/1.8 or a 90mm with no aperture mentioned. Looking back at old posts though I see the 90 and 16-35 both mentioned from reps at cp+ this year back in February. Sony often does things that make you go why? so maybe both are coming. I think the 35/1.4 will be a Zeiss manual focus with exif lens though.
Just looking on Andrea’s rated >90% I am getting excited (except the QX).
The upcoming FE lenses are besides an A99 successor the most interesting rumors for me.
However, since I read about the RX1s I think that I will probably need to save some money for this one. If this camera will have a (street)sufficient quick AF I am sure ‘ll gonna buy it.
Appreciated would be XAVCS recording option.
The 24, 35, 50 and 85 are the classical focal lengths for primes. A good strategy would be imo to release 2 primes for the same focal length: one with a very fast aperture and without OSS (a Zeiss) and one fast aperture with OSS (a G):
-24mm f1.4 Zeiss and 24mm f2.8 G OSS
-35mm f1.4 Zeiss and 35mm f2 G OSS (I know that there is a Zeiss 2.8 in this category already but that should be discontinued)
-50mm f1.8 Zeiss (the current one) and 50mm f2 G OSS
-85mm f1.4 Zeiss and 85mm f2 G OSS
In the 135mm range (also popular) only a 135mm f2 Zeiss would be great.
P.S. Please deliver a 100mm or 105mm f2.8 G Macro OSS 🙂
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A 35 50 and 90 oss would be enough for me to make the jump, if I’m honest.
A FE 35/2 OSS would be very nice. Right now I use the Canon 35/2 IS.
There needs to be a fast wide prime and portrait lens for sure. 24mm and 85mm makes the most sense. I don’t see them releasing another 35mm-50mm unless it’s along with a whole new family of super fast lenses. Even with OSS, it would be foolish for Sony to release redundant FE lenses before they fill out the lineup more.
I’m missing updated A Mount lenses, a replacement for the 100/2.8 Macro, a new “beercan” would be very welcomed. Of course the new 24-105/4 sounds promising…finger crossed
Yes, the 100 macro shall be renewed to an all IF design à la Tamron 90 USD.
I hope the rumors of the SSM re-designs of the ZA 85 and 135 are becoming reality.
What is the advantage of internal focus?
Handling, dust and humidity protection?
Hm, ok, but size is a negative factor for a macro with IF, isn’t it? Because it had to be in the longest length the non-internal IF would be, and not collapsible for your bag.
This isn’t true. I looked at the Nikon 105mm macro AF-D and AF-S (IF) versions and while the IF version is fatter, it’s nowhere near the size of a fully extended traditional macro lens. Same goes for the Tamron 90 f2.8 USD vs Sony/Minolta 100 macro.
Lighting…
What do you find lacking with the 100mm macro? Agree with the beercan, having a sharp 70-210mm f4 SSM would be tempting. I miss the beercan a bit, but it was too big slow and noisy.
give SSM to the Macro, and I would be happy…I just do not want to go with the Sigma, although in price/value aspect is very good. The current Macro is just the a re-branded Minolta version minus the price-tag 🙂
That is why I bought the Minolta. The current macro doesn’t only need SSM, it also should have an electronic focus limiter (although Sony has that functionality in body (A99, A77II)) and internal focus, to be able to make it weather sealed.
I have the current Sony 100mm Macro and I’m glad I picked it up on the news Sony’s rumored replacement (100mm or 90mm) will be a G. Optically, my 100mm Macro is very nice with it’s own unique character being probably the highest contrast lens I own.
Sure, Gs are great for those with the money but the 100mm Macro isn’t exactly cheap to start with. The problem with Sony’s redesigns is they don’t improve all that much but the cost of the lens goes up dramatically. In this case, jumping to a G moniker may indicate better optics but the 100mm Macro is very solid as it is.
I started off buying a number Sony new lenses then recently have picked up a lot of used Minolta glass. While I’ve never owned the Sony and Minolta version of the same lens, I’m pretty sure the glass formula has changed because I much prefer the Minolta glass’ colors. On the other hand, Sony’s modern lens coatings are dramatically better than what you’ll typically find on a Minolta which isn’t exactly a shocker.
If Sony were smart – and I’ll never accuse Sony marketing of having a lick of sense – they’d keep the 100mm Macro and expand the line. Maybe come out with something longer like a 180mm f/2.8.
Alternatively, they can do their typical lazy job. Slap all the features onto the 100mm people keep asking for like the G moniker, the ‘I’ve got money’ white body, weather sealing, some metal in the body, a bunch of ‘I’m a real photographer’ switches on the body and charge a price people asking for all the above will never pay. ;^)
Ah, I don’t see the point of SSM on a lens I have switched to manual.
Good point!
Internal focusing is what’s really missing from IMHO.
Yes internal focusing macro would make alot of sense..
if they add SSM as a bonus I wouldn’t mind that either.
But I would very much want to see a new 200mm G macro !!
Now “IF” I can understand as a want.
Hope that A-mount will live…….
It wont. It’s already gone but many people wont accept that.
It’s getting bloody obvious now! HELLO!
This is a very unattractive list (perhaps barring the RX2 at asian prices). I hope there is something more enchanting in the offing. I am pretty happy with the E mount cameras although there aren’t any lenses that I would use yet.
I think they have a LOT of cool stuff here, even when I am not interested in buying most of the stuff, it is quite some innovation Sony will most likely again bring and we should credit that and not say its “very unattractive” ;).
You’re both saying the same thing, pretty much. To wit, I don’t see much if anything I want to buy on that list. Another Sony marketing epic fail?
Sad to point out the only lens on the list I’m interested in is a Sigma. Whoops? How did that happen Sony? Sorry, but a Sigma 24mm f/1.4 ART is incredibly attractive. My expectations are high quality optics on a fast lens cheaper than anything Sony would ever offer (not that they would ever offer one).
The only thing I’m interested in Sony-wise is the a99II which, unfortunately, I’m losing faith in. Based on past Admin rumblings I was really excited they’d finally offer an a-mount FF that got most things right. However, reading Admin’s comments here, it looks like it’s as likely the Photokina FF announcement will be yet another FE (to join that flood of bodies) as an a-mount.
Well, within a month or so Sony’s inept marketing department will wake up and feed SAR some rumors to get people interested in tuning into their Photokina pressers. We’ll see.
It’s not innovation until it’s out there. …
I said it is unattractive. It is to me. Besides, it is all vaporware and just rumors.
Hi, I have a question related to video. Is the crop mode on a7 in 1080p the same as in a6000 full resolution mode? what is the disadvantage of using crop mode with a crop lens on a full frame a7?
Also does anyone here use their A7 w/ steadicam and if so what type of lens do you use? TY
“Is the crop mode on a7 in 1080p the same as in a6000 full resolution mode?”
Do you mean the a6000 in the full sensor mode? Same in which sense? Framing? Yes. Image quality? That’s difficult to answer without trying side by side. The a7 has bigger pixels. But there are lots of other things that could turn things around.
“what is the disadvantage of using crop mode with a crop lens on a full frame a7?”
For stills, you’re wasting over half of the sensor area. For video, see the last part of what I wrote above.
A6000 has much better video than A7 and A7r. Just look at samples at vimeo or the reviews at your usual video site.
No news to the RX10-Update? With APSC-Sensor and 24-70 (2,8-4)?
What’s the point? Buy a58 with CZ 24-70… and voila!
I love the compact cameras.
Compact? 😉 http://camerasize.com/compare/#443,489
OK. A bridge camera. Dust and water protection. All in one. No objective change. APSC, 24-70 (2,8-4), EVF, Display a-la Panasonic FZ1000/GH4, good AF a-la A6000. For this I am willing to pay 1500 euros.
In the body from RX10!
APSC sensor shooting 4K? Yeah, that’s gonna work…bring your fire extinguisher.
Well the A7S is FF and shooting 4K…
Yeah, but isn’t that readout only, not write to card? Not sure, but I thought that I read that.
Yes you are right actually you must use the HDMI out if I remember !
Panasonic FZ1000 shooting 4K… And?
Much smaller sensor.
The gh4 functions sans fire.
Why would they release such a camera?
Because Canon has published a comparable camera. But I need a bigger case and good EVF.
And? Canon haven’t ‘published’ a mirrorless camera worth talking about, where Sony have. The current RX100 III isn’t far off the G1X II and is a lot smaller. An APS-C foxed lens camera doesn’t make a lot of sense in Sony’s lineup. Oh and the Canon isn’t APS-C, it is 1.5″
But technically it is feasible.
In the body from RX10 or little bigger.
Yeah. Hey they already did something like that, it’s called the R1.
I know.I had this camera and I miss her successor.
When I bought an R1 a few years ago, I went trawling back through threads discussing a successor (when it was still current), the wishlist of most people in those threads described almost exactly the NEX series cameras. Funny that 🙂
Why shoot so low? They could deliver better specs than that.
I still think that the APS-C E-mount camera range is very thin. We now have the A3000, A5000 and A6000. But there is no model with 180 degree touch screen and top dial like the NEX-5T.
In addition, where is the rumored FE 85 f1.8 OSS?
The G Macro sounds interesting but let’s wait and see.
I will be in the minority preferring new cameras to lenses but I would like Sony to fix the shutter vibration issue with the A7r either by giving a minor update or why not an A8 which is an A7r with a new shutter and incorporating the Olympus 5 axis IBIS. I would also like to see an A7 body with a mononchrome sensor.
Lenses will eventually come from Sony but not as fast as people would like. Its amazing how quickly the Fuji X system has developed and how many good lenses there are. If only Sony were as aggressive in developing 1st class lenses as they are in launching new cameras!
“Lenses will eventually come from Sony but not as fast as people would like.”
Yeah of course they will…I’ve only been waiting 8 years. 🙂
A-mount shooters still use Minolta lenses and rely on Sigma and Tamron!
I think he was referring to E mount lenses.
While the A mount isn’t dead the lack of new lenses do tell that Sony is pushing most resources in the E mount.
I am an A mount shooter so IMO a bit disappointed but so far I have enough lenses to be relatively satisfied. Its only those who demand the best of the best who will be dissatisfied with the current selection of lenses.
FF A-mount low end camera plus few more lens options, otherwise I just have to rely on Sigma
The A7r mount 36 mpxl has been around for long enough to now reasonably expect an A8r replacement, yet still the A mount system languishes with the old A99 with no replacement in sight. The A99 A mount lenses are superior to the E mount, yet the E mount A7r has the superior sensor to take advantage of the A mount lens optics, so A mount lens owners have to use the A7r with clunky adaptor to get the most out of their lenses – how screwed up is that? If Sony doesnt address this situation and release a good 36mpxl A mount Pro camera after A mount owners have waited sooo long, then stuff em – the replacement rumours are so old now, many years old. Sony needs to step up with a serious Pro level camera that can take advantage of the A mount lenses from Zeiss or get honest and admit the A mount system lenses regardless of quality will have no contemporary replacement body to mount them on, it’s a dead end. Your move Sony.
The A7r is not even one year on the market, why do you think a replacement will come this year?
Why are the A-mount lenses superior? Because they are faster, heavier and more expensive?
Why is the A99 no Pro level camera? Because there are Canikons that cost even more?
Can’t agree with superior optics in A mount- and I shoot A mount. The line has more high quality lenses for sure but I wouldn’t credit it as vastly superior. A99II is a guaranteed. If the A77II is an indicator I think we can expect the same type of upgrades.
I’ll bet there won’t be an A99II until the next generation of sensors comes along, as the 36mp sensor won’t be top dog for too much longer. Putting one in the A99II would just guarantee whining and complaining down the road when 50+mp sensors come out and people are stuck with a pitiful 36mps (“we can’t even take pictures with this obsolete tech wah wah waaaaahhhh”) because Sony locked in their flagship product with a sensor that was at the end of it’s cycle of superiority. If anything, I’m betting on Sony releasing a FF A88 or the like with the 36mp sensor and then waiting until the next gen tech is ready before implementing it in the A99II.
“…..when 50+mp sensors come out……”
…and Barry will still complain that it isn’t enough.
Please, don’t get him started with the stacked sensor BS.
sssssshhhhhhh! you’ll wake him up if you keep talking
That is the exact reason it will have that 36MP sensor. Not the reason it wont have it. Sony’s model is “Slightly better than your last camera, but still YEARS behind the other company’s that we sold that same sensor to”
A99II 36MP All rounder with lock up
A88 12MP Sport &4K
A set of a-mount triplings a la A7 would for sure send signals about being serious!
“The A99 A mount lenses are superior to the E mount, yet the E mount A7r has the superior sensor to take advantage of the A mount lens optics…”
The FE Zeiss primes and 70-200 G respectfully disagree with that statement.
The A99 is about 2 years old, so your claim that users have had to put up with rumors for many many years is kind of ridiculous. If anything, a 2 year replacement cycle is probably a bit too short. That having been said, the sensor on the A99 is dated and could stand to be refreshed, but it’s probably not going to happen with the 36mp sensor we have now. I’d be surprised if Sony didn’t release a A88 or something of the sort with the 36mp sensor, and then release the A99 as soon as the next gen sensors are out. A lot of people here are professional complainers, but I’m not sure how many are actually professional photographers.
The A7R has been around less than a year. The ‘old’ A99 is less than 2 years old. You need to recalibrate what you think old is. Pro level gear often has product cycle times of 3 years plus, so maybe chill out a bit.
What camera are you using now?
I want a 400mm f4 and the FF unibody camera for september with sport spec!
Hey, where is the a7rmk2? And a7000?
A7R mkII – Given the age of the current one, that’s laughable.
A7000 – Err, the A7 is the NEX-7 replacement. Didn’t you get the memo?
Actually the A6000 was the replacement for the NEX-7.
People having the NEX7 and say a 24mm f1.8 won’t be terribly happy losing MPs to get a mere 10 MP image with a A7.
Depends how you look at it. You could argue the A6000 replaced both the NEX-6 and NEX-7 for sure. However, when you look at the launch price of both the NEX-7 and A7, I’d say the A7 was a better fit as the successor to the NEX-7.
If you look at the context of my post, you’ll see I was referring to the likelihood of an A7000 model. In your example, where someone already has investment in APS-C glass then yes, the A6000 would be a better choice, and considerably cheaper than the original NEX-7 asking price.
You give 30% SAL 70-200 f/2.0??? 🙂 🙂 🙂
Are you kidding me? There is exactly 0 chance of that.
But no mention of A9 at all (FE mount camera with fast OSPDAF like on a6000 and sequential shooting and large battery)?
WANTING a camera may not be enough to bet it on to the list 🙂
If things are easily possible (like that A9 – Sony already have the tech in the cheap a6000) and profitable, they usually happen. 🙂
But unless admin should invent rumors, if he has heard nothing, it should not be on the list. Simple.
But he (or somebody else) invented that 70-200/2.0 for sure. 🙂
Yes, that surely feels invented.
Fast ultrawide prime would be nice, maybe 21/1.8 or 24/2
+10000
FE need fast ultrawide prime lens
+1
A prime 21/2 would be purchased with closed eyes. 🙂
how is half the list 90%?
The whole list can be whatever percentage it wants.
It’s an expression of confidence.
E.G.: List of Supermodels I have a chance at bedding tonight
(0% by every name, as many names as you like)
The only two brand new a mount lens are 24-105 f4 and 70-200 f4. The are classified as 50% or less. When will sony officially discontinue a mount?
The third one is 400 f4. Less than 50%
What the f..k are you waiting for?
FishEye 16 excellent
ZA1635/2,8 very good
ZA24/2 excellent
ZA2470/2,8 very good
G3514 good
ZA50/14 very good
ZA85/14 excellent
100 Macro very good (albeit slow and loud AF)
ZA135/18 excellent
G70200/2,8 M1or M2 excellent
G70300 very good
G70400 M1 or M2 very good
G300/2,8 excellent
G500/4 very good
Than there are the fantastic Sigma Macros 150/2,8 and the 180/2,8.
The fantastic Sigma Art 35/14.
If they really go and update the ZA85 and ZA135 to SSM and WS than there is in my opinion only one lens I would go for – a compact 70200/4 with black finish. 🙂
I’m not really getting the logic here. Would any camera manufacturer discontinue a lens mount but sustain lens production? The ASAP (Anti Sony A-mount Party) continues to proliferate…
He’s a troll.
The A-Mount is 30% of their camera division’s revenue, and earns a lot more than the mirror-less division. He’s either a severely immature adolescent, or mentally challenged.
It’s already discontinued.
A900II
Yes! That’s exactly where they could put their “outdated” 36MP sensor and nobody still shooting with the A900 would complain.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that if you’re still shooting with the A900 (as I am) the rumoured minor upgrades that any a99II would come with still wouldn’t appeal to you (or I).
Even if an a99II has a 36MP sensor, us A900 hold outs are waiting for the EVF tech to actually surpass our A900’s excellent OVF…
Why not make the A88 the A900II. What would it hurt to put an OVF in one? I mean, scratch the A99 replacement for now and give people a cheap, 36MP sub 2k full frame with OVF. If the EVF is so hot then let your consumers decide. Don’t get me wrong, I like the EVF’s but I don’t like being limited.
Now there’s a good poll for Andrea to post on SAR!
“If you currently still shoot with an A900 or an A850, would you be more likely to upgrade to the rumoured a99II or to an upgraded A900II or a88 (if an a88 had an OVF)”…
Caught me off guard with that one…but heck, that actually sounds like a good idea. How hard could it be right? I’d take an a900II anyday…just give me a flip screen in back and a killer sensor. Done!
Me too.
Not going to happen. Sony has done away with the OVF for good which may or may not be something one may like. I never liked having an EVF but now I doubt I will be happy going back to an OVF anytime soon after using a first gen one for more than 2.5 years now.
I like the sound of A990, and I’d buy it in a heartbeat.
Never happen .If you want OVF with sony sensors nikons your man or pentax .Sony have evf because thy share the tech with OLED screens in headsets and their mirroless division and thy can split the R&D cost .If sony built a OVF and mirror mechanism just to sell in the A900ii it would cost the consumer a lot of money .And im pretty sure any machinary thy had from minolta has been re tooled up to make diffrent stuff
Back in March 2012 Dyxum started a poll that points to people being fine with EVF. I reckon two years later the percentage in favour would have increased after the initial concerns.
How does Sony’s adoption of EVF over OVF affect your system plans?
Will stay with system based on current EVF capability 47.34%
Will stay with system but would like OVF opt as well as EVF 25.27%
May stay with system if EVF improves before next purchase 7.61%
Will stay with system only if OVF option available 13.39%
Have already switched/intending to switch due to EVF 6.39%
OVF users are very much a minority.
Or… Here’s a wild idea for SONY…
Since the LAEA4 A-Mount lens adapter for FE mount has room for a mirror in it to allow for phase detect autofocus, I wonder if it’d be possible for them to release an LAEAOVF!
It could have a giant hump that’d extend slightly forward and also above the camera and sit on top of the A7 cameras’ EVF hump, or it could be released alongside an A6 or A5 EVFless mirrorless FE Camera. There could of course be an RX1 style multi-interface hotshoe accessory EVF for such an A6 or A5 camera, but if it was possible, why not bring back the pentaprism as an accessory!
Crazy idea right?
Wow, that sounds a little out there. But a very cool idea indeed. I don’t ever want to go back to an optical. I am very pleased with my EVF. I seem to notice that the OVF guys never seem to mention the issues of a moving mirror in the first place. First there is mechanical complexity with a moving mirror = more cost. Then there is the vibration issue, if properly damped then = more cost. Mirror lock up is needed for the die hards = more cost. Depth of field preview that is very dark when using small iris vs. focus peaking which operates stopped down without the viewfinder dimming. Sorry, I didn’t mean to turn this into a rant, it’s not meant that way. I just started naming reasons and got carried away. At the end of the day the tooling costs to produce such an adapter vs the sales volume would be so upside down that no one would buy it at the price needed to recoup costs let alone profit. And be honest, the die hard OVF guys won’t settle for anything but the best OVF on the planet.
Wow, never really thought of that ! But honestly I doubt such a clunky device would sell in any decent quantities. Especially with EVFs getting better and better.
I used to be like you and I hated EVFs. Tried one for the first time in the A55 and was severely disappointed. But with my A700 dead and having too much money in Sony gear to shift easily I was forced to buy the A55.
Honestly I have reached a stage where I no longer really care for an OVF anymore. Shot with a 5D mk 3 the other day and while I loved the hefty build and ergonomics I barely even noticed I was shooting with an OVF again after 2 years.
Sorry, it will work only if you’re happy with 2x crop OVF. They didn’t consider it in advance when they designed E-mount.
I’m sticking with my A850, until it melts. Its a fantastic camera, and I’d rather spend money on quality lenses than bodies that’ll be obsolete in a years time.
‘I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that if you’re still shooting with
the A900 (as I am) the rumoured minor upgrades that any a99II would come
with still wouldn’t appeal to you (or I).’
obviously you dont need more resolution, more dynamic range, less high iso noise, video, better autofocus and higher frame rate for YOUR type of photography… some people are easier to please than others 😀
I have the a99 and a900 (NEX 5n also) and find the a900 in my hands more than the a99, not due to the EVF v. OVF alone, but b/c of the EVF and overall time lag issues of the a99, powering on and off, waking from sleep, delay after taking photo to returning to viewing the scene, even the delay from changing a setting to returning to the view of the scene seems slower, although it might just be my attitude at that point. The slightly better DR and photo quality of the a99 doesn’t make up for it. I shot a graduation party the other day with just my a900 and the ZA 50mm, and only missed being able see the scene as it would be shot a few times, but nothing that couldn’t be recovered in post process. If the a99II could cut down on all delays and mirror an old school mirror flapping up and down so there is no delay upon returning to viewing the scene that would be truly a step forward. I will say that short of that the a99II with focusing like the a77II will still be a beast of a camera and one I would trade my a99 for, but the a900, that is staying with me until it dies.
I Agree 100%
It’s mostly the lag issues that have kept me from upgrading. And yeah. Even if I bought an a99, it’d be years before I didn’t also bring my a900 with me to the shoots. I find EVFs great for assessing exposure and all. But at this point, the a900 is like an extension of my hand. I know it too well. I’d feel naked without it.
If you are missing shots using the A99 at a grad party, then it isn’t the camera that is the problem. Was it a superhero grad party for the “Flash” or something???
I missed the a99 EVF’s ability to see the photo before it is taken, resulting in a few under exposed images, which the Sony is known for, but yes also b/c of me not being the greatest photographer of all time and the graduate going back and forth from the sun to the tent, requesting photos in rapid succession with many reluctant participants not allowing more than a mere few seconds to compose and shoot. You obviously hit every exposure without such issues to be able mock others making a point about the EVF’s ability to do so versus the OVF. You must be award winning. Do you have a first in mockery on your shelf that gets a polish every Sunday? Congratulations.
I was very interested in getting a Sony a-mount FF camera. Now I am not so sure.
There just doesn’t seem to be any conviction / enthusiasm from Sony about investing in a-mount. Yes we heard at the beginning of the year that they are still going to be bringing out a-mount stuff and where did the phrase “year of the a-mount” ever come from? Yes they have been busy with FE but what about a-mount.
I was interested in the a99 but thought I would wait to see if a99II came out, with improved AF etc etc. Waiting was a mistake. Now not sure if the mk2 will come out at all. All the rumors above are just rumors – that’s it.
Would it be better to invest in mirrorless e.g. FF FE mount, m4/3s, Fuji etc?
No I’m not a fanboy of Panasonic, Olympus or Fuji – just want to get a decent camera. Not convinced by Canikon. Help.
Waiting for more than a short period of time generally is a mistake unless your are replacing a working camera. You cannot get back missed moments.
No. If you await an a99II for better AF, then an MLC will not be an alternative. Also, most of the options you list are not FF, so look for a77II.
Given that AF was your reason to look further.
Or invest in the newer mkII lenses which is mostly about better AF performance.
See this is what happens when you’re just a dreamer and never buys anything because you’re always waiting for the next model. So continue to spin your wheels and complain, it helps make the time pass while you’re doing nothing.
Actually been looking into replacing my d80 and get better lenses. Been looking at Sony because of their innovation. Just waiting to see if I should get a99 or wait just a bit longer.
Do you own a camera? If you are a professional photographer you sound like a troll based on this post & others on this forum.
Give it up .Get a sham wow to for fill your conviction / enthusiasm needs .Hell id be holding off if i was you .If the A99II has the A7R sensor and A77II like AF with added Contrast detect on sensor so you can still focus with the mirror up for landscapes ect .Add to that a crop burst of say 10fps and IBIS The A99II will be some serious pice of kit .Might explain the 400 F4 targeting the pros
Why on Earth would you want to swap from Nikon to Sony? You’ll lose a third-stop of light, you’ll get poorer performance from the sensor, you’ll lose all that available glass, you’ll lose all the available support, you’ll lose all the support from retail outlets…..
To gain what? Just buy yourself a full frame Nikon.
What about a 16MP version of the A7s that offers greater resolution than A7s and better sensitivity than A7/r (and quieter shutter), at lower cost?
Sony reps would direct such a consumer toward the a7.
What about an ice cream cone that never runs out of ice cream?
While I love that there are three versions of the A7 series, I really don’t see the point of this… other than that it’s cheaper.
Honestly while I won’t be interested in such a body, if it does come at around the $1k mark and is not terribly stripped down (no EVF is a given and maybe a full plastic build) I wager it will sell very very well.
Its basically introducing a FF camera at an unheard of price point.
Let me see if I have this right….You want a camera with a MP count >A7s and <A7r and it needs to be a cheaper option.
Here ya go…
It's called the A7 and it's 24mp which is smack dab in the middle, It's also cheaper.
Get a reboot on the brain there Einstein.
Cost of sensor is based on size, not mp. What feature do you want to drop to make it cheaper?
How is the a99II 90% and the 24-105 “Coming along” with it only 50% ? Must be another Toy Nex FF with a 17MP sensor or some other minor difference. Maybe they will come out with 24 different Models with all slightly different specs. A7A through A7Z and only 5 or so lenses to put on them.
Did you see the lens roadmap for the FF E-mount lenses? Sony promised that at the end of 2015 there will be 15 lenses. If they do that that is 15 lenses in just over 2 years! How much do you want? And that with 3 FF bodies at the moment…
The issue is all the different bodies with different capabilities and the future direction of their bodies- as if Sony can’t put them all into 1 ultimate camera. So if you buy into A7 you need a suite of A7’s
A – adamantium body version
B – blazing fast FPS version (for sports)
C – blazing fast FPS version (for motor)
D – runs on droid version (android for fully customisable menu and options)
E – extended battery life version
F – foveon version
G – grippier with nano suction caps version
H – faster than high speed sync version
I – IBIS version
J – jewel encrusted version
K – intentionally krippled version
L – lightbox version
M – monochrome version
N – nanotech version
O – 20MP life like optical viewfinder version
P – worlds fastest PDAF version
Q – QR lens compatible version
A7R – high res version
A7S – low light/high iso version
T – tough military/industrial version
U – underwater version
V – videographers dream version
W – weighted (for huge tele’s) version
X – cross dimensional technology version
Y – Y buy this version
Z – best for taking sleeping babies version (zzzz….)
LMAO.
Or you could just buy the one that fits your needs…
So the 90mm G macro is for E-mount I am guessing? They should really release a longer macro for A-mount such as the old Minolta 200mm f4 G but I am sure that will not happen. 🙁
Foveon sensor (would be surprised to see it coming now as I heard it’s scheduled for late 2015 early 2016 release)
Very High End E-mount camera (A9) http://ur1.ca/hvhaa
Foveon is fully owned by Sigma. Surely you aren’t suggesting that Sony cameras use Sigma sensors. 😉
That wouldn’t make sense, why take a step backward in image quality.
Step back?
You mean having more than just 1 green/red/blue tone rather than all colors is a step back with higher resolution and no Color moire?
You sir are a fanboy 😉 i exchanged my a99 for an SD1 as the SD1 beaten the shit out of my a99.
Ive used the D800E, the 5D Mark III, the a7r and the a99 (the a99 for nearly 2 years) and i never seen such amazing image quality than on the SD1.
Can you imagine the look on my face when an 2000 € Camera (with EX-Lense) beaten the shit out of my (back then) 2800 € a99 (without lense)? I was highly disappointed about Sony and an Foveon Sensor would be the only reason why i would ever think about getting back to Sony.
But Sony is also sleeping right now, Their newest APS-C Sensors cant stand against Toshibas Sensor and Nikon is swifting more and more to Toshiba. The D800/810 is the only Camera which still uses Sony Sensors.
Except Sigma, every camera produce is in dept right now and struggling with producing something that brings more money than concentrating on Image Quality. Sigma is the only company right now with a big fat income and the only one who is creating really innovative solutions for better image quality.
Just look at the a77II, it have been about 3 years and what did they changed?
– New AF-Module
– 0,2 EV Less Noise (in RAW)
On the Lenses?
– E-Mount is trying to catch up with A-Mount Line-up, thats all
Thats all! What did Sigma in that Time?
– Increased Resolution from about ~30 to ~39 Megapixel (compared to Bayer) on APS-C!
– Decreased Image Noise by 1EV
On the Lenses?
– Global Vision Serious with some of the best lenses this planet ever seen beating the shit out of the double-priced Zeiss
Foveon on Sony would not be a step back in Image Quality, thats nearly impossible as everyone is still waiting for Sony to do any steps forward!
Not an actual Foveon, but a similar style of stacked sensor
Medium format, 35%. Ouch 🙁
There are no lenses and there is not advantage other than image Noise. Thanks god sony is not wasting money! They are working on getting out of dept, they dont need a create a new born-dead system.
No advantage ? Ahem 😉
When is the flagship APS-C coming?
When your sister pulls it out of her cun*.
It already came, the A77II, where you sleeping?
Cant wait. At least some time to hit the lottery jackpot.
Why do you live at all? I am sure you asked yourself this a million times. I’m sorry for you.
Please Sony… Make a b/w ff rx for me!!! With a range finder optical viewer to and my life would be complete. 🙂
You mean the dp2 Quattro? 😉 well it doesnt have range finder…
QUESTION! Will there be a higher model of Sony’s POV HDR-AS100V Action Cam. 2K-4K options like GoPro Hero 3+.
Another thing that bothers me is why does Sony restrict or limit the use of higher bitrate to SDXC cards when there are faster SDHC cards? For example sandisk microsdxc Ultra 64GB only gets 30-50Mbps max write speed. Where as Sandisk extreme pro 8GB-128GB microsdhc gets 50-90Mbps write speed.
There is a as20 coming in August. I see it has buttons on the side of the waterproof case. I have the as15 and I find it annoying to have to take it out to change from interval to movie. Most of the time I use it in the LCD case though.
I have AS100 & case with buttons which also works with my AS15.
Or will there be a firmware update for HDR-AS100V to record in 4K? Thats what I read online but whats the chances if it didnt come with 4K in the beginning why later. Also as we know Sony, they would rather release another camera then work on firmware/driver updates.
Andrea, I’m wondering how did you calculate those percentages… Why 65% for the 20mm pancake? I should be at least 67.4!
What about the 5th FE lens?
FE has 5 lens already
While grossly incompetent Sony marketing has its head shoved firmly up its a$$, Canon Rumors points out Canon is actively pitching “something big is coming.” Does Sony like choking on Canikon’s dust?
Well it is holiday season, perhaps the one marketing person Sony have is away taking photographs with their Canon dSLR?
Sounds likely. Sorry about my previous comment but my frustration boils over at Sony marketing which appears to me to be actually building angst before Photokina rather than excitement, the opposite a competent sales force would. Meanwhile, Canon is carefully planting small seeds to get the fans excited. If keeping everything super-squirrel secret to the last possible moment is the goal, both are accomplishing this with the difference being Canon is creating goodwill.
I don’t get it. Sure, Sony doesn’t want the competition to get a leg up on specific features but general roadmaps on future product announcements especially when we’re so close to Photokina anyway can but be a good thing.
I guess I’ll never stop whining about Sony’s lousy marketing strategy. An artifact of a misspent youth earning an MBA. ;^)
They are waiting since like 100 years for a new 7D which is most likely to come and there is a new 100-400mm Lense as the old one is just shitty as fuck.
They do replacements of shitty stuff which should already have been replaced long ago, thats far from exiting.
The only real exciting thing i seen this year was the new dp2 Quattro from Sigma. They have been able to increase the resolution and decrease the high iso noise.
Nobody cares about Canons new 7D which is most like just an 5D Mark III with APS-C Sensor and so far from exciting.
Canon is sleeping since years and i doubt they suddenly awake just from nothing. They are scared as fuck to try new things as it might cost money.
Anyone else pumped for the new NEX A5100 with touchscreen, 180deg swivel screen and popup viewfinder? Make it so!
+ the performance of the NEX A6000
“And what are you hoping to see from Sony?”
Full frame E mount with in body 5-axis image stabilization. Really I don’t need the stabilization for stills (although it would be a nice bonus). Where I really want the 5-axis is for video, this would be an amazing edition. However, the debate continues on if it is possible to achieve this with a full frame sensor within the E mount. Also, the A7 series form factor may not be able to disipate enough heat as thing are currently. If the problem is heat dissipation, I would take a slightly bigger version if it would make the 5-axis system possible. I will dream on!
This have nothing to do with Full-Frame, it have to do with weight and size.
IBIS means the Sensor have to move! Otherwise it doesnt do anything. If the Sensor needs to move, you need space where it moves to and you need additional engines to drive the IBIS and an large enough body so they dont overheat.
5-Axis IBIS is not possible at all as the sensor would touch the lense because the flange distance is much to short. If it would not touch the lense, the Stabilisation would be so weak, it would be like its not there.
So Sony would have to increase the flange-distance and the size of the Body to make IBIS possible, wait! That would be A-Mount! Funny, isnt it…
Looking foward to the A99II
36 mp BIONZ X Rapid PDAF as seen in A77II with added on sensesor contrast detect .
Maybe a STL lock up if the patents are true .
10FPS Crop mode maybe ,
IBIS,WIFI,Duel card slots .
Keep the lightweight magnesium frame.
Could be a real jack of all trades this one with its new 400MM F4
Why would you buy an SLT with Mirror lock up? The only reason to buy an SLT at all is to have the SLT Mirror. There are plenty of other systems on the market with flipping mirrors. Just choose one of those.
BIONZ X Rapid PDAF? Damm dude, you are the reason marketing guys have a job.
the problem is only one… not pohtokina releases but thieves price of that items for example rx1s 3000$. The honest rx1s price for allow consumer market is 999$ honest and common workers salary compatible
>And what are you hoping to see from Sony?
A99-II with a new FF AF module (NOT the one from A77-II)
135 f/1.8 WR SSM, 24-105 f/4 WR SSM – that would be great and would show commitment to the A-Mount system
Ideally, an A-Mount FF with the 12Mp A7S sensor.
What’s wrong with the a77 AF module?
It’s not designed for FF
With FF, all focus points are in the centre
Is there any FF cameras that don’t have all the AF sensor within the APS-C frame?
Dunno. But APS-C AF module only covers a portion of the APS-C frame (which is OK), and a small portion of FF frame. On A99, focus points barely reach the 2/3rd lines
77II AF module is so large that it doesn’t even work with all sensors on all lenses. Just because it should be reusable on an FF model.
A77-II AF module is great for APS-C, but nowhere wide enough for FF.
This is A77-II:
http://wimarys.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Sony-A77II-autofocus-points-2-of-12.jpg
This is 5D3 (that’s kind of AF I’d like to see in Sony FF, or better):
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_EOS_5D_Mark_III/images/Canon5D3_viewfinder.gif
If you take 1st picture and downscale it into FF sensor, you won’t get the 2nd picture.
I think there is an misunderstanding.
Sure FF-AF-Modules are in the APS-C Size, but APS-C AF-Modules are in the 4/3 Size (even the new a77II module is far from covering the whole APS-C frame)
So with an APS-C Module on a FF-Camera you end up with an coverage of 4/3
Thats far from usable for sports.
Hope for the following with A99-II:
– Improved AF with large coverage area
– GPS (KEEP THE GPS with this camera PLEASE, ship with it set to OFF, users who want it can enable)
– Auto ISO in Manual mode
– Wifi, Improved and faster tether options and support (eg, Wifi ac)
– 720P and 4K recording
– Faster response times and boot up of camera
– Better EVF especially in very bright environments
– Better ISO performance (happy with a 24MP sensor with very good ISO sensitivity rather than higher MP’s)
– Multi card slots for obvious reasons (A77x should have also had this)
– Same or even slightly smaller body size of the current A99 would be great for me
– Better and faster flash control with more consistency
– Switch between PAL or NTSC if needed (single mode/firmware)
– Improved battery life when using rear LCD
– Ability to save camera serial number in EXIF
– Better F2.8 kit lens
– Did I mention KEEP THE GPS and give users the option to use it if they want?
Also a Sony trade in and upgrade program would be great, or even a ‘valued customer’ program that gave discounts to customers that purchase stock locally and have registered multiple Sony products and camera’s (eg, upgrade promotion)… I see some competitors offering free extended 3 year (I think it was) warranty if you purchase local stock which is also a good idea.
much cheaper price compared to the competition. that would help a lot.
“99% 16-35mm f/4.0 FE Zeiss: Definitely coming at Photokina” ” would be released in late August/early September” …
“16-21.09.2014” it’s not EARLY september -.-
so exited about the RX1S!
Me too, I hope the name is true and it means S like Standard and we will see a RX1W(ide) 20/2.8 and a RX1T(ele) 85/1.8 as well. That triple would be worth spending the 10k € I am not willing to pay for a M240 with a 35 lux now. Stay with the external EVF so you carry one for the three cams. Weather sealing, IS and tillable touchscreen to go with remote operation thru WiFi.
I hope for a really sharp and fast wide angle. Either Sony Zeiss with AF or manual Zeiss.
So far Zeiss havent created any sharp and fast wide-angle lense. The 16-35mm is anything but sharp at 16mm, even at f/8
I was thinking 24/2 or 28/2.
Lenses like 16-35mm dont interest me. I need a lens to go with the amazing 55mm on the A7s. Fast 24 or 28 would be perfect for me. But it has to be good…
You mean like the Sigma but for Double price and less good? Well Sony will most likely release something like that so you have something you can looking for.
But i would not expect it to be f/2. The A-Mount Version is f/2 and the E-Mount is usually one step slower.