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Sony will add uncompressed RAW on the A7II via firmware updated coming on November 18!

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I have some good news for Sony A7II owners! You will get a firmware update on November 18! It adds uncompressed RAW and some other features described on the press release below:

Sony to Bring Uncompressed Raw to a7 II via Firmware Update; Follow B&H Photo Explora Blog for Updates

Photography News: Sony’s Latest Firmware Update Brings an Uncompressed Raw File Option to the a7 II, Along With Support for Phase-Detect AF With Adapted Lenses and Additional Customization Options

NEW YORK, NY–(Marketwired – November 03, 2015) – B&H Photo would like to share the announcement of a new firmware update for the Sony Alpha a7 II Mirrorless digital camera, which is scheduled for release on November 18. This update brings the uncompressed raw option — first seen in the a7S II and a7R II — to the a7 II, and provides users with the choice between smaller file sizes via compression or the retention of as much image data as possible for advanced raw file development. Along with this, the camera’s AF system sees a massive boost in performance with the 117-point on-sensor phase detection AF array now supporting adapted lenses, such as those from Sony’s A-mount line. This is similar to what we have already seen with the a7R II, and ensures fast, accurate autofocus performance with a vast variety of glass, making the move to mirrorless much easier. Additionally, Sony is adding more customization options to the camera, allowing movie recording to be assigned to a custom key.

Via: Marketwired.

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  1. Bravo Sony! Really good news. I wonder if I’m the only one to expect LA-EA5 adapter with a focus drive motor (as LA-EA4) but without the translucent mirror now. I miss my CZ 135 1.8 and CZ 85 1.4 A-mount lenses a lot and using them with LA-EA4 was a pain in the a**.

      1. When you use LA-EA4 on an A7 body, the adapter utilizes its own 19 AF points (which are all contrast detect and in the center of the frame) and disables PDAF on camera. Therefore it is slow. There is also some loss of light but it is negligible.

    1. They day they release an EA5 is they day they get a buttload more of my money. I’ve got too many screwdrive lenses to easily replace and being able to use native autofocus on an A7 camera with them and no light loss would be HUGE.

  2. “Along with this, the camera’s AF system sees a massive boost in performance with the 117-point on-sensor phase detection AF array now supporting adapted lenses, such as those from Sony’s A-mount line.”

    That’s insane!!!

  3. BRAVO!!!!

    this is fantastic.

    One small idea if anyone from Sony reads – Focus guidance (indication if there is front or back focus)) and focus confirmation with EA3 adapter would be fantastic option to add for A mount lenses. I have and love the 135/1.8 and would love to remove this pellicle mirror.

    This combined with the new remote API makes A7m2 a very very desirable camera at attractive price

      1. I am suggesting this for manual focusing older lenses using the EA3 adapter. Older lenses lack motor and hence have no AF with EA3 adapter.

        PS I corrected my post. Thank you!

  4. I think this uncompressed RAW option will be usefull only for a few people (because the huge files you get are in most cases not worth the minimal better image quality).
    The optimized autofocus on the other side is a big plus for every A7II owner.

    1. This is superb thing when you take night shots in cities. The other case where I had problems is winter sports where background is white but the model is dark and you see artifacts around edges.

      I also believe this will be able to bring IQ to par with D750 at high iso where random noise forces the compression to drop detail and posterize the image.

      The AF upgrade is fantastic. Also if they put movie button and minimum shutter speed as seen in A7r2…..

      You got to love them when they do something so nice!

      1. Yep, minimum shutter speed. I use this all the time. I have this on my Nikon camera since my D700. I still don’t understand why it has not been implemented years ago on Sony cameras… It’s nice to have it on the new bodies but it’s something Sony could really add via firmware to their old cameras.

    2. Personally I’d only use it at night or shooting high contrast scenes (can’t think of any particular examples off the top of my head but it’s nice to have the option)

    1. about two times bigger e.g. 48 to 50MB

      you need to use it on several occasions:

      1. High contrast scenes – bright white and dark blacks next to each other (night shots or winter daylight shots)
      2. High ISO scenes I believe will benefit somewhat despite DPreview claiming the opposite

        1. A7r2 has 2 options – uncompressed and the current lossy compressed.

          Nikons typically have 6 options – uncompressed, lossless compressed, lossy compressed and for all those 3 you have 14 and 12 bit option.

  5. So the A7II gets
    – uncompressed RAW
    – PDAF with Sony A and Canon lenses?
    – the new menu options with Monitor/EVF Toggle and Movie record

    That’s pretty neat actually!

  6. I would like to to see how the new “OSPDAF” works on A7II. Two doubts about it:
    1- Will work also on 3rd party lenses + adapter, such as Canon?
    2- Does it means this improvement can also be implemented on A6000?

      1. Almost definitely for 1. Less definite for 2, and of course there’s the question of whether Sony will bother.

  7. a little bit off topic, but I wish there is gonna be a mid or small size RAW option for the a7rII for the future updates..I know I can switch to super35 mode to get smaller raw, but I would like to to shoot with full frame but smaller files to make work easier…

  8. I’m not too surprised that the A7II will get the uncompressed update since it’s nearly identical to the A7rII, the big question is weather the A7/A7r/A7s will get it, I have doubts any other body will get it… My hope is when they finally get around to a compressed 14bit raw update all bodies wil get the update.

    1. I don’t think they can do it with the old hardware. I’ve heard compression algorithms are usually hard-wired. Still, they did introduce video codecs in firmware, so what do I know.

      1. Hardware encoding is far more efficient, but hardly the only way, single shot should be easily possible by a FW update, it will probably depend on if they see an advantage to providing the update, on one hand, no, an update may cause people to hold off on buying an update, on the other hand, a significant update could give people confidence in buying more stuff from Sony(where I sit, providing FW updates is all about making the customer happy with their purchases, fixing any issues I have makes me more likely to buy another, even if it has issues at launch).

      2. They didn’t really “introduce” a codec in the case of XAVC S on the A6000 – XAVC S is still H.264 AVC, just operating at a much higher profile level/bitrate.

  9. If only they also included the silent shutter mode. Surely if the a7rII can have the electronic shutter mode shooting at 42MP, the a7II can have it at just 24MP?

    1. A7Rii has a BSI sensor that allows a 3.5 times faster sensor readout. That is still 2 times faster than the 24 mp readout of a conventional sensor.

        1. The PDAF sites are only a tiny fraction of the available pixels.

          117 sites vs approximately 24,000,000 sites

  10. When I first figured out that A7Rii wastes 2 bit for every pixel in uncompressed RAW, I was very annoyed. But now I am pleased about that because I can read the subtext:

    “16 bit uncompressed RAW storage is only an intermediate solution until we release lossless RAW. But it offers us plenty of time to do so.”

      1. I am sure – but I cannot tell if this can done with existing hardware.

        Sony sometimes gives little hints what they are developing. Many years ago when only D90 and 5Dii had a video mode, you could read in every specsheet of a Sony DSLRs: “video mode : no”. Why should a manufacturer put this information inside a spec-sheet? It’s telling us that there will be a “yes” in future models.
        And now this 16-2 bit uncompressed RAW file tells clearly: “This is obviously crap – you will get better a solution.”

      1. D-preview and RAW-digger (or however this site is called).
        And you can do the math by your own, too: Take the file and substract 2 bytes for every pixel. Then there is 1-1.5 MB left for meta-data and preview-jpeg. q.e.d.

  11. So basically we get the A7III for free with a firmware update. The uncompressed RAW is nice, but the PDAF with adapted lenses is huge.

    1. Yeah, Sony should not have included the PDAF compatibility in this FW update so you you don’t have to use big lenses. What were they thinking?

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      1. Yeah, it would be terrible for one and two year old cameras to get massive firmware updates that add huge numbers of new features. Gee, wouldn’t want that, right?

        1. Well if all they are doing is churning out the same camera four years runnings with a different shell, where the only ‘updates’ are firmware update that probably should have in the first place. But hey, if that’s what you’re into there is already a brand that does that.

          1. If you want things to have everything right on launch in this software based world, you better gear up for a long wait.

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  12. PDAF!!!!! Great news! Being able to use Canon lenses is an great improvement with this camera. Hope it works as well as the a7rii. One question though: could this give any benefit when using la ea4 and Minolta/Sony screw drive lenses?

    1. A7 II user here. I highly doubt that you can focus as fast as possible as the A7r II but it should be a huge improvement over what’s available now.

      Coming to your second question there will be no difference when using the LAEA4 adapter since that overrides the A7 focusing system

      1. My sources tell me that there is no perceptible difference in AF speed with adapted lenses between the a7rII and the a7II with the new firmware. Enjoy.

        1. Ha ha I don’t know how good your sources are but if true then I am going to get rid of my A7 and get another A7 II !!! 😀

  13. Anyone seen a comparison between la ea4 and OSPDAF+ la ea3 ? I wonder about strengths and weaknesses of the two different technologies used with a-mount glass.

    1. LA-EA3 is superior. It uses the cameras PDAF sensor system and only works with lenses that have in lens motors. The LA-EA4 on the other hand uses the old PDAF system from the original entry level a55 SLT, which is almost 6 years old now. Plus the sensor is for APS-C systems, so it’s not fully optimized for Full Frame use (the focus points are bunched in the center). And there is light loss due to the transparent mirror. Plus it’s also noticeably more bigger and bulkier because it has to house the PDAF electronics separately from the camera body.

    2. LA-EA3 is superior. It uses the cameras PDAF sensor system and only works with lenses that have in lens motors. The LA-EA4 on the other hand uses the old PDAF system from the original entry level a55 SLT, which is almost 6 years old now. Plus the sensor is for APS-C systems, so it’s not fully optimized for Full Frame use (the focus points are bunched in the center). And there is light loss due to the transparent mirror. Plus it’s also noticeably more bigger and bulkier because it has to house the PDAF electronics separately from the camera body.

    3. LA-EA3 is superior. It uses the cameras PDAF sensor system and only works with lenses that have in lens motors. The LA-EA4 on the other hand uses the old PDAF system from the original entry level a55 SLT, which is almost 6 years old now. Plus the sensor is for APS-C systems, so it’s not fully optimized for Full Frame use (the focus points are bunched in the center). And there is also light loss due to the transparent mirror. Plus it’s also noticeably more bigger and bulkier because it has to house the PDAF electronics separately from the camera body.

      1. The A7r lacks any phase detect points so no chance to get fast AF with the A7r. However it should hopefully get uncompressed RAW.

        I also have an A7 but I don’t have much hope of that supporting either fast AF or uncompressed RAW in future.

        That said I am updating my A7 II to the new firmware only for the faster AF with adapted lenses. Uncompressed lossless RAW is useless and is good at slowing down your camera while giving you a negligible improvement in IQ (practically zero). Compressed lossless RAW is where Sony should be.

        1. Has it occurred to anyone that Lossless compression may eat up even more cpu power than uncompressed so they had to go with uncompressed?

    1. The A7s lacks any phase detect AF points so no chance of any firmware to fix the slow AF. 🙁

      The Sony A6000 however can possibly get updated.

      1. I think he would be more bothered about the uncompressed raw. PDAF is hardly a priority of an astrophotographer.

      2. Big news if true?????
        This new a7ii firmeare is rumored to provide pd capability to adapted lenses similar to the a7rii

  14. So not trying to be Debbie Downer or nothing like that and as an owner of a A7II that thought Sony forgot all about that camera I think this is GREAT! However, why is this being announced like this? Kind of odd from a place that does not appear to have anything to do normally with camera news and I can’t find anything on the B&H site about this. Just strikes me as odd that this would come from B&H and not Sony directly but I sure hope it is true.

  15. I’m hoping they include the option to power over USB while operating the camera and zoom in on focus point in playback. Even bigger news if they would offer 720p 120 fps in the update. the a7s can do it, so the a7ii probably as well.

    1. Power over USB with a firmware update? That would be a trifle optimistic as it might well require hardware changes.

      1. Could be, but what would the hardware changes required possibly be?
        The A7rII has this option and can still charge normally on the USB port as well.
        It might be that the camera gets to hot during charging that it is unable to run for a long time, as charging normally causes some heat. But other than that, I can’t think of a reason why there is a warning and the camera stops you from continueing. Phones can be used while charging, I don’t think they needed special hardware adjustments..

        If so, this stopping feature can and should be disabled in firmware. (same with the warning when pressing the shutter button in rec video mode or the jpg message when choosing some jpg only option (ideally it should just automatically change to raw+jpg and only effect the jpg in this case)).

        And I forgot that I would like to see the minimum shutter speed as well.

  16. The news is gone from B&H and other sites…..It might have been hoax.

    NEW YORK, NY–(Marketwired – November 04, 2015) – Editors and other readers are advised to disregard the news release with the headline, “Sony to Bring Uncompressed Raw to a7 II via Firmware Update; Follow B&H Photo Explora Blog for Updates,” issued Tuesday, November 3, by B & H Foto & Electronics Corp. The release was issued in error by the company.

    http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/kill-b-h-foto-electronics-corp-2070189.htm

    1. Marketwired is a PR company, not a rumor site. It’s 99% possible it was not an hoax, just a press release that shouldn’t have been made public for another 2 weeks.

    2. The original press release also claims that the a7ii now has in body steady shot image stabilization….obviosly that cannot be achieved via a firmware update.

        1. The original press release listed that as a feature of the a7ii
          Clearly that is why it was retracted and rewritten…
          “We know”
          Clearly not as much as you think!!
          Your brain must be getting soggy.

      1. A7ii is the first A7 camera to feature 5 axis body integral super steady shot 🙂

        It works well by the way with both adapted and native lenses unlike A mount SSS

          1. Do some research. This firmware won’t be seen processors older than BIONZ X, I guarantee it.

          2. I did my research. Nothing suggests to be linked exclusively to bionz x. Bionz x was not a photography centric upgrade, but video related. Xavcs is exclusive to bionz x. All photography related improvements may be noise, colour or dr but not compression or throughoutput. The same algorithm is used by cameras as old as NEX 5n in the process process package of arw files.

          3. Fine. You’re guessing what is and isn’t possible too. We’ll see what cameras get an update. I’ll still put money on anything pre-BIONZ X not getting it.

    1. Were there actually any beans to spill?

      Let’s hope this wasn’t a hoax and B&H simply announced this too early.

      1. No it isn’t. Not a single Sony press release has mentioned anything of the soft, nor has the website has claimed the the a7ii is weather sealed. Before you start claiming that you’ve used your a7 in the rain, weather sealing is not the same as weather resistant. The A7 cameras are weather resistant not weather sealed.

  17. According to photo rumors this update will provide pd autofocus capability fpr adapted lenses, to the a7ii, similar to the a7rii

        1. Did you you learn anything in school? You seem to be trying as hard as possible to come across as a complete cretin.

          1. I must assume you are more familiar with Candiru social behavior than I am so I will take your word for that.

            You ask me to change how I respond to your insults?
            If you do not like how I respond to your insults stop insulting me….this materiel is too good to discard.

            Did you hear the one about the displaced Candiru population.

    1. The press release mentions nothing of the sort.

      Of course the update isn’t going to provide a capability the camera has had SINCE RELEASE as a “new” feature!

  18. Just realized that lossless compressed Raw is not pissible with Bionz X:

    The whole reason Sony’s uncompressed Raw is 16 bit instead of 14 bit is due to Bionz X’s way of handle the data: convert them into 16 bit first.

    http://img.thedigitalcamera.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Bionz-x.png

    What the uncompressed Raw update did is to skip the follow-up compression step and simply out put the unprocessed data.

    Well, if they are going to add lossless compression, it’s not going to happen until they update their Bionz X ISP.

    Note: not that I’m complaining, Sony’s lossy compression js pretty neat and is good enough for me.

    1. Well, actually the camera was taking photos at 14bit, then compressing it to 11+7bit and now it shoots 14bit and records at 16bit. This is why a 70MB photo becomes 82MB in size.

  19. When E mount first came out I critisized the system for being deliberately crippled to prevent non E moint lenses from having high speed autofocus like native E mount lenses.
    For that I have been ruthlessly critisized.

    Now it turns out that all that was necessary to achieve fast autofocus on the a7ii is a firmware update.
    Obviosly I was correct, E mount was deliberately crippled…but once again I told people before the were ready to hear it.

    1. Yep…good thing I did’t sell my A7ii for the A7Rii at starting price peak…it will be 2k$ in no time…until then…I’m now very satisfied with my A7ii

    2. Hhahaha all that is needed to get you from MS-DOS to Windows 10 is software upgrade…but it took some 20 years for the biggest of software companies to make this minor update…..

      It is ok that these software updates take some time. Developing software is not simpler or faster than developing hardware. What I do not like is the fact our cameras get obsoleted very fast based on marketing decisions to not back port new software features to older cameras. I can understand that Sony (and other camera makers) are protecting revenue stream from new bodies. What I wold love to see is extension of the camera lifespan through software upgrades even if those are paid like Adobe Photoshop subscription or just as traditional software upgrades. Panasonic tried this with their GH4 – I do not know how well that went.

      1. That is part of my point…I say what will be long before most people are ready for it….now that I point out that I was correct it was so long ago that people have forgotton that I have said it and that they argued it was impossible.

        1. You argue conspiracy theories and subterfuge with googled facts and moronic conclusions. Then spin it around to turn it into something you never actually said. If future predictions are a silk purse, then you, my friend, are a sow’s ear.

    3. When I purchased my iPhone 5s it was deliberately crippled for only running iOS7 and not having such features as handoff and wifi calling. Now with iOS9 and all the new features it finally is working the way I hoped it would function before apple did went out of their way to limit it.

    4. “For that I have been ruthlessly critisized” … I believe the correct word is ridiculed, and correctly so.

      1. Columbus was correctly ridiculed for saying the world was round before people were ready.
        Einstien was correectly ridiculed for his theory of reletivity before people were ready.
        And I am ridiculed for making camera predictions before people are ready to hear them.
        At least I am in good company.

          1. Columbus was wrong…he thought the earth was half the size it is, and he thought America was India.
            He thought the world was a sphere but it is not.
            Einstien wrote 40,000 papers…only a handfull were totally correct, and most of those are now being questioned by newer theories…plus he discredited Newton.
            Everyone is sometimes wrong, if that means they cannot be right than no one will ever be right.
            Many of my predictions have proven true…including the one that began this discusion.
            And if you cannot tolerate a photography prediction that violates your preconcieved idea, then you are certainly not reafdy for my more advanced theories that you will not understand, not accept , and I will not share with you.
            You have absolutely no idea if I have invented anything or not, and despite years of predictions on SAR you say I have not predicted anything.
            That is your loss, not mine.

          2. So are you saying the Earth is flat?

            Einstein did not write 40,000 papers. Unless you believe he was capable of writing at a rate of nearly two papers every single day of his adult life.

            Where are you getting your information? Crank Monthly?

          3. Oblate Spheriod
            And 40,000 documents were indeed found in Einstien’s estate.
            Is there anything you will not argue with.

            A long time ago a group of nasty little Candiru wandered from their native Amazon home.
            Unable to find enough blood to suck on or sufficient body oriffices to imbed themselves in, they subsisted by consuming tubers of the Lotus plant.
            Due to the narcotic properties of the Lotus ..these Lotus Eaters became the most irrational unpredictable and least inteligent of all Candiru, while maintaining all the nasty qualities normal Candiru are known for.

            You have chosen a very appropriate name for yourself.

          4. Columbus argued that the Earth was spherical, against those who maintained it was flat. He was basically correct, not wrong.

            A scientific paper is not the same as a document.

            I know you don’t like anybody arguing with you, but I’m afraid that is one of the perils of conversing with others on a public forum. Resorting to constant name calling simply because you can’t handle it makes you look pathetic, narcissistic and simply out of touch, and is one of the many reasons you are a laughing stock to many of the people on this forum.

          5. You are so obsessed with arguing with me that you have basically argued my point perfectly.
            These were great men and accomplished great things.
            But if you choose to you can find fault in everything they did..
            That is the choice you are making..to find every fault you can in everything I say…and so you are unable to see the good.

            A Candiru is obsessed with the scent of urine, and cannot resist the urge to sink his little bloodsucking teeth into the most unsavory of orifices.
            You cannot cannot resist the urge to sink your little bloodsucking teeth into every comment I make, and can see nothing else but whatever miniscule fault you can find to wedge yourself into.
            A true Candiru.

          6. Barry, there is very rarely any good in your posts here. You spam, troll and antagonise – that is the basis of your contribution.

            You are in no position to call anybody else obsessed, given your consistently obsessive compulsive behaviour. You never learn from your mistakes and unfortunately that is why you get the reactions you get, not just from me, but from many others too. You are unable or unwilling to accept that you are the cause of the problems you experience here.

          7. In your obsesion you are so predictable….of course you can see nothing good…that is the last thing you want to find.
            It is your nature you are a Candiru.

  20. ” Making the move to mirrorless much easier”
    That certainly does not sound like a statement from a company commited to A mount and about to anounce a new A mount camera tomorrow.

        1. The la-ea3 and a7r2 AF abilities were designed for a-mount lenses. Third parties have been able to take advantage of this for Canon lenses. This should be the case with the a7II if this firmware updates brings improvements for a-mount lenses.

    1. I believe the original release contained some errors and was rewritten for that reason.
      The original release says thre a7ii now has IBIS and of course that was not correct.
      The wording has also been changed.
      I believe that is the reason they want us to disregard the original release.

  21. If Sony brings out an a99-2 and it has a proper full frame AF system across the frame this should reasonably migrate to a new SLT adapter.

      1. That’s incorrect. Sony buried the lead a bit with this news. The most important takeaway is that you can now AF third party adapted lenses (most Canon EF) with the a7II at speeds similar to the a7RII. The major difference is in the frame coverage – the a7II covers less than 30% of the sensor with PDAF while the a7RII is almost 50%.

        This is huge news for switchers that want to shoot their Canon lenses with fast PDAF but don’t have the budget or desire to shoot the a7RII.

        Huge thank you to Sony!

        1. Well that’s even better! I think I’m going to be that switcher you’re talking about.

          I honestly don’t need to bring over any Canon lenses, though. Canon doesn’t make a great 50mm. I am not lusting over the $2000 zoom lenses.

          Sony has a set of great primes, which is perfect for my needs.

          1. Well there is a lot that is still missing in E-mount, i.e. everything from 90 mm upwards and below 25 mm. Many fast lenses. So, the option to get a lens with Canon-EF-mount working (incl. products by Zeiss, Sigma, Tamron, Tokina) enlarges the options a lot.

  22. Does anyone know if this AF-update also affects a-mount screw-driven lenses? Or is it just relevant for the SSM lenses?

  23. i would love to see A6000 being upgraded with the same feature. but i think they will probably use that as selling point for A61xx/A7xxx

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  25. I also hope that one of the customizing functions (I assume there will be more than only setting video on a C-Button) will be Bracketing (for HDR) with Self-Timer

    1. Yep and a7 and my a7s too but been advised it will not be available backward upgrade version. Don’t know how true that is. Pity I should have stuck to my rule never to buy the first version of any camera.

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