An anonymous source sent me this info about two future APS-C cameras. As this is a new source there is not a high chance the rumor is true. But it’s certainly an exciting news if the rumor turns out to be true! He wrote:
“A7000 and A61(5)00 testing. Exmor R 28 MP with 399PDAF”
I don’t know if it makes a lot of sense to have two cameras with the same sensors. Don’t know what the A7000 extra features will be to justify the camera existence…
Reminder:
Sony organized a special “Sony Surprise” event in Stockholm (Source: sthlm.fotomassan.se). It scheduled on Friday at 11:00 local time. For sure we will see a new A68 camera. And still unconfirmed is if Sony will also show the new E-mount lenses and cameras too!
Sony A68 specs:
SLT A-mount model (translucent mirror)
24 megapixel sensor
79 AF points
19 AF Cross points.
4D autofocus (seems to be the [shoplink 41697 ebay]same as the A77II[/shoplink])
LCD info display on top of the camera
Price around $600
Announcement in November
Stay tuned on SAR! More rumors and info coming the next hours!
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“I don’t know if it makes a lot of sense to have two cameras with the
same sensors. Don’t know what the A7000 extra features will be to
justify the camera existence…”
If I was to decide, A6500 – super compact with no IBIS or EVF. Perfect when you want to go extra small or use the camera on a drone/gimbal/jib. A7000 – slightly bigger than present A6000, but with IBIS and EVF. Better suited for more traditional hand holding use. Both with the new BSI crop sensor of course.
I want faster AF (when someone is running at you) and much better higher ISO performance. Make this the 1DX killer in mirrorless. IBIS not needed.
“Make this the 1DX killer in mirrorless . . . ” Now that’s funny!
Would be nice if accompanied by a fast zoom (16-50 f2.8) or any other lens.
“I don’t know if it makes a lot of sense to have two cameras with the same sensors. Don’t know what the A7000 extra features will be to justify the camera existence…”
Wasn’t this the case between a65 and a77.
There are plenty of things you can add on the more expensive model. Bigger EVF, screen, buffer, grip and (battery). Faster processor, memory and FPS on stills and video. Weather sealing, touch screen and trinavi.
So basically your question is same as asking what is the point of making two computers with same display.
I’d say it makes sense the same way it made sense at the time of NEX6/7.
Nex-6 has 16mpx, Nex-7 24mpx 😉
Correct.
I meant from product placing point of view. Main stream modell and high end modell.
Function and feature separation could also be offered, e.g. TriNav, VF, etc.
Yes – separation features like:
– audio jack
– weather sealing
– 12 or 15 fps
– buffer size for burst mode
– good AF vs insane AF
More or less the same separation as a 7Dmk2 has to a 750D
In September 2013 I lost my NEX-5 so I went to buy a camera on the same day and I took the NEX-6 over the NEX-7 because of better high ISO performance and faster auto focus… Please note that the price difference was irrelevant to me. I bought what seemed to me the best camera of the two at the time.
Whilst I’m looking forward to any improvement in specs over my current a6000 the thing I want most and the only real weak point in the a6000 if much improved low light autofocus.
Silent (purely electronic) shutter would be high on my wishlist. For pictures in silent environments and time lapse photography.
Definately; I hope Sony implements silent shutter on cheaper models than the A7s and A7RII/SII.
hahahah the main feature difference
A7000 – 1200 EUR
A6500 – 600 EUR
on from there – smaller lower res viewfinder, no digital level, no 4K, no stabilization, only two command dials like A6000, less fps, smaller buffer, only one SD card slot, plastic body, no weather resistance
Would be great if A7000 features 4M dots EVF.
Makes sense; the A7000 could be the NEX-7 succesor with IBIS, 4K, weathersealing and metal body, and extra dial.
The A6500 can be the successor to the wildly popular A6000 with cheaper build, no IBIS but with identical sensor. They did the same thing with the A65/A77.
Besides, this single line of “rumor” could hardly be everything the source shared. It looks just cut and pasted into this post. It could be that this sensor is in one of the two models, the cheaper one could just carry an improved 24MP sensor instead of the newer more expensive BSI 28MP one.
Waiting for Sony to announce a successo for the A6000 is like waiting for Godot.
Isn’t the camera only 1.5 years old?
Exactly. I can’t believe people are freaking out over a new version already.
Yes, it’s consumerism at its weirdest.
People should get out and shoot !
The new gear will come around soon enough.
We are only spoiled by the short release cycles of A7 series.
But don’t forget that A7 has 3 lines and while A6000 is a capable and usable camera, the 1st gen of A7 is IMO kinda a crap:
-bad AF-speed in general
-unable to use long lenses on A7R because of its shutter shock
So I think it was much more important to refresh 1st A7 gen as it is to refresh A6000.
As an amateur I can say that the first generation A7 was certainly not “kinda a crap”; it was far from it. I bought the A7r and used it almost each day until I got the A7r mk2 which I agree is a much better camera but it’s also an upgrade to it has to be an improvement upon its older sibling, hasn’t it ? The A7r gave me a lot of pleasure making great pictures whilst carrying one of if not the smallest and lightest full frame package around the Angkorian period temples in Cambodia, and around Vietnam, etc… whilst people with large DSLR were struggling carrying their bulk.
Did you get a 1st generation A7 series camera and not enjoy shooting with it ?
Of course you can take good pictures with it.
And you you can take take good pictures with every other camera.
The reason why I don’t like A7 gen one is the slow AF. Slower than any other camera of the same generation – even much cheaper ones. For A7R there is additionally the fact that its shutter shock reduces IQ when you use focal ranges about 200mm or longer.
Which lenses did you use?
To your question: When 1st gen was released I decided to wait some time for a price drop and during waiting I read some reviews and decided not to buy. Especially AF and fps were the disappointing facts.
Sony has a record of putting identical sensors into different bodies. The NEX 3 and NEX 5, the A37 and A57, the A65 and A77…
Exactly, that was a strange comment.
Will the megapixel insanity ever stop, or they just blindly assume that everybody needs more Mp? Mp is not automatically better like better ISO and faster AF. High Mp RAW slow down the camera, fill up the buffer and take up more space on SD and in storage.
Why only release low-Mp video-oriented bodies like A7S? Photo cameras need the feature of low Mp too!
After moving from NEX7 to A7RII I can tell you, YES GIVE ME ALL THOSE PIXELS!
More pixels, better high ISO, better DR, what’s there not to like?
A7RII crop mode gives me 18MP!
>what’s there not to like?
>More pixels
First time ever i like you! I should change the name!
How about Auntie Duott?
Man, my auntie just came to visit first time in years. How on Earth did you know.
I read this whole chain of responses. I hope i get a prize!
Really?! You never crop? You don’t print big? lol
I never print at all. Why?
As for cropping, monitor is only 1920×1080, 12Mp gives plenty of space to crop
My monitor has 5120×2880 pixels and you find 12mp is enough for CROPPING because you use s*itty 1920×1080 monitor?! lol, nice trolling
…and now read carefully a second time.
Reading comprehension isn’t your strong-suit, is it?
And LOL at you calling somebody else a troll.
Keep barking, troll
The amazing comebacks are what keep me returning to this place.
What monitor do you use , and can you display images fullscreen plus crop ?
I ask because I have a 4k tv and want to be able to display tiffs full sreen and zoom in, all at 4k resolution.
Probably an iMac 5K.
I read this as “I want to be able to display tits fullscreen”. This thread is full of reading comprehension fail.
What these guys don’t get is that things change (we may change our working practices), and client requirements often change after the fact. Two years down the road, on looking through some files one might see “part of an image” that may be ideal for a current clients packaging/advertising requirements. With more pixels (better files) and upgraded RAW processors the answer becomes, “yeah, I have a great image for you.”
This more pixels discussion is there again and again when a new camera has more than its predecessors. It started already when we were used to 6mp. Do you really want a 6mp camera today?
BTW: 18mp when a small crop-lens is mounted is indeed a good compromise. But I just wish I could take more than 12fps in this mode.
So Sony is still committed to APS-C after-all? I hope so!!
The thing I find compelling about APS (besides the size) is that the
AF will (in theory) always outclass FF AF.
This combo of blazing AF and small form factor makes for a nimble camera better suited to many situations.
Keeping my fingers crossed for an exciting announcement Friday!
Yep! But crop cameras still lack of good and fast lenses…
except if we can now use third party lenses as for the A7Rii 😉
I find the Zeiss 24mm f1.8, Sony 35mm f1.8 OSS, FF28mm f2.0, FF55mm f1.8 all pretty good performers on the A6000. But would definitely welcome faster, native e-mount lenses!
Agreed, the AF is much faster on APS-C.
First the rx1r II announced and now possibly new aps-c a / e bodies. It is good to see Sony focusing on anything outside of a7.
Hopefully an a99 successor, radio controlled / non-overheating flashes, FE 2.8 zooms, budget friendly FE lenses and an SLT adapter with wide coverage will be what Sony concentrates on next year.
Actually the new announcement will be that all new lenses will have the sensor directly attached. You’ll be able to choose the sensor and everyone will have to buy new lenses. They will cost anywhere from $1000 to $25000 U.S.
It’s ridiculous to release new crop cameras but not release fast primes and zooms for it. Words – but you can use lenses from FF E mount is funny because of size and price of this lenses
I still have the hope that A6000 successor has a BSI sensor that tolerates more compact lens designs like the old film camera lenses.
And I hope together with this camera some of that compact APS-C lenses will be released.
And I hope for IBIS, so the lenses can be even more compact.
Same thoughts! IBIS rocks! Many small and fast lenses made by fuji for X system may prove this, but only lack of X is IBIS
How about a APS-C stacked exmor RS sensor ? With High speed recording and little rolling shutter.
That would be awesome and would predate the next A7r mk3 with a stacked BSI sensor.
Maybe the A7000 is a larger, more DSLR-sized camera to complement larger lenses. Test the waters before committing to DSLR-sized A9 models.
Looks like a possibility.
Sony should make a pro style body
Bigger controls
Bigger battery
Dual card slot
Then with 2 body styles..a7 and pro style body
Sony can put in differrent sensors/components to make a full line of pro style and consumer style mirrorless cameras.
As much as I love it to happen, the problem with an a7 pro style body is it will cost a lot of money to design and develop, it will have at least a 4k price tag and it would sell only to a few tenths of thousands of photographers and Sony would lose money.
Do not even dream that it will make Canikon people switch in droves. Not happening.
Hum… I know some pro who have switched and others considering switching to the A7r mk2… Now it depends of their line of work of course.
I have to admit, it looks increasingly like you’ve been right all along. Although an A9 hasn’t even been rumored yet, let alone announced.
Right about what? Larger bodies?
I think that’s inevitable. E-mount needs a full selection of different sized bodies and lenses. To be so flexible and give the full range of options can only be a good thing in terms of market growth.
So why not propose sticky pads to make the bodies larger to accommodate Giants’ hands ?
Friday will bring new apps for the current line of cameras and that will be it.
That may well be possible… New applications ! Ah, ah, ah !!!
But seriously if Sony was allowing open source applications things could become interesting.
Nice to have would be the possibility to focus like A7rii using LA-EA3 adapter, but i guess that’s for the next iteration
Laea6
I bet the rumored A6100/A7000 already gets this feature
I doubt it as A7ii even doesn’t have that feature, so A6xxx/A7000 getting them for their price point would be a real surprise.
A7ii is old now and A6000-successor even not announced. And I read some rumors (SR minus 1) that A7ii gets this by software-update.
Tru dat. a7ii is very old. In the future Sony will release a new model every 6 hours.
yep – for download
A7 mk2 is old ??!!! Already ??
A7II will have the OSPDAF for LA-EA3 in a few weeks according to the firmware upgrade that was announced today..
Two 28m apsc mirrorless camera, and one A mount 24mp a77ii downgrade camera…al at this show tommorrow.
Am I the only one here that finds this set of rumors difficult to believe..???
I especially cannot understand/believe another A mount apsc entry level that appears to be an entry level downgraded version of the a77ii.
ENTRY LEVEL…????
Who will buy A mount that is not already using A mount ?
Why would current A mount users buy a new A mount camera that is no better thsn what they already have..???
And if this new camera will indeed be released tommorrow why is Andrea the only person that knows about it…????
I think you might be underestimating the number of people shooting with older A-mount bodies.
In addition, it is not that strange that Sony updates the Sony A57 and A65 at this time. generally, people are using them for years already now. My A57 is technically fine but cosmetically falling apart after 3 years of heavy use and 90000 actuations. I suspect Sony will include some nice features, but without some essential enthousiast features it will be like the second A58 debacle.
Sony as a brand has got attention right now for the cameras because of the A7 iterations, and this is a good opportunity to try and expand in the DSLR market as well. A68 will be a lot of DSLR for that money
To think Sony can penetrate the dslr market is delusional.
Canon is an impenetrable dslr fortress.
Sony cannot defeat Canon dslr, the can however bypass Canons fortified position and try to establish mirrorless to replace dslr.
Successfull military strategests to not charge headfirst into fortified enemy positions….they go around and find more vulnerable ways to attack.
So they are around the fortress now, maybe they will attack
Barry there are still owners of the A100-A580 OVF cameras and owners of the A33-A65 SLT’s that do not want the higher end A77II because of specs they do not want or the higher cost. Yes I know you can get the A77II discounted between 800-950 but some do not want to pay that much. I remember people complaining about not having an upgrade for the A58 and now that one is coming(maybe) some people are complaining about why. No matter what new camera model comes out there will always be people complaining about cost or what spec should have been added. If Sony comes out with an upgrade for my A77II’s I will take a look and if I like what I see I will upgrade. If Sony does not upgrade I will use my A77II’s for many years to come and still take nice photos.
A-Mounts are SLT, not DSLR. That can be ‘going around the fortress’ as well.
Or develop weapons of superior technology thereby negating a numerical advantage.
A68 with the rumored specifications could certainly not be considered a weapon of superior technology.
Don’t think that Sony’s intention is to attack Canikon fortress. Their intention is more like to gain market share. Thanks to the success of the A7 series they are being know as the most innovative camera company with all the new tech that they are applying to the new cameras, people are starting to appreciate the advantages of EVF over OVF, among other things that canon nor nikon offer. If it’s true that the price of the A68 will be around 600, it will be a deal hard to pass by, and i think that i could make a dent on the Rebel sales.
Let’s face it most of the people who buy a entry level DSLR. They are not thinking about buying extra lenses and future system expansion, that comes years after the first use. Entry level buyers are looking for a camera that looks like Pro camera on the outside, nice in camera features (like camera effects), and easy to use, and cheap price, that what Sony is trying to do with this new releases.
Agreed. I still remember the way burst mode on my A57 turned heads, as majority of the DSLR owners go for entry level equipment this could be a good option
Delusion is something in which you clearly have some expertise. Military strategy . . . not so much.
Replacing DSLRs should be a goal of high end mirrorless. That certainly seems to be the ambition of the Leica SL and the A7Rii.
It will happen soon at the current rate of innovation between mirrored vs mirrorless.
Unless Canon is only pretending to sleep. Nah.
“Am I the only one here that finds this set of rumors difficult to believe..???”
Yes, pretty much.
In the meantime… still no 14-Bit RAW for my a6000. What a bummer.
will slow it down unnecessarily, and the benefits are not that big from what i read
I have used it only for tests on my A7r mk2…
Really exciting about high end A7000 with 28MP – I wish it has also front dial, 3-4 direct Fn buttons, fast access to Custom Modes, -2EV AF sensitivity, big back AF-ON, 7-8 DR 6400iso, exposure compensation dial, eye AF tracking, metal body, and all buttons customisable with any feature…. it’s what I need for street photography. If Sony would bring also new 16/1.8 prime (best Zeiss for me) it will be together with 24/1.8 and 55/1.8 an amazing set!
FE Zeiss 16 1.8, 24 1.8 and 55 1.8 Yes !!!
Pretty common to share the same sensor across APS-C models — The A6000 and A5100 share a sensor. The A77 and A65 shared the same sensor, etc.
My guess, differentiating the A6100 from A7000, would be pretty similar to the difference between the A65/A77 – A68/A77ii: weather sealing, faster maximum shutter speed, possibly extra video features like a microphone and headphone jack, maybe a larger EVF.
Perhaps: IBIS in A7000, not in A6100?
Maybe. But I’d bet IBIS in both. Maybe uncompressed raw and a7rii-type lens compatibility with the a7000, not a6100.
A7000 is more expensive than A6100 and lacks popup-flash and touchscreen because it’s aimed for Pros. The rest is identical.
i hope they come up with a A7 III, so I can buy a A7 II for 800 dolar. 🙂
why not a7riii then
Or a A7RIV? would make the A7RIII dirt cheap already at introduction.
I think A7iii will not be released before end of 2016. 2017 is more likely at all.
With the update 2.0 announcement, I also believe so! A7 II will become low resolution alternative of the A7RII.. In other words, a more linear downgrade…
EXACTLY
In a few years, why not ? But it’s coming.
While there is nothing about the A99II, I’m still dreaming of a new flagship A1 for wildlife/sports photographers, with new set of A-mount super telephoto prime and zoom lenses (600mm f4 , 400mm f4 , 400mm 2.8 , 200-400mm f4 with built-in 1.4x teleconverter) damn this will be a real surprise !
A1 – not going to happen. Based on the current naming convention, A9 is more like it. Alpha 1 – possible.
Umm.. A letter refers to Alpha so Alpha 1 is A1..
There is something wrong in Sony naming, it would be easier if they named cameras based on mount like A77 , A99 and E7R, E6000… etc
It would be even better for new users to understand the two categories.
Yes but how many of these lenses would they sell ?
One thing is clear that there must be something else besides already known A68 camera, otherwise why call it a surprise right?
I hope they will go all-in and announce FE lens roadmap and A6100 and A5 with FF sensor and touchscreen without EVF hump. Could be with IBIS but I could live perfectly well without it – it’s only useful for 1/40 and under shutter speeds and that is only for still objects. Whenever you have people in frame IBIS is useless. Besides it makes body bulkier and heavier. Instead I would prefer larger battery or touchscreen to touch focus and touch release – immensely more useful feature than EVF and IBIS combined. Come on now Sony, don’t disappoint us.
Well, Sweden may be a very Sony friendly market, but all in all a very small one. Don’t get your hopes too high. I would be surprised if Sony dropped a bomb of that magnitude on this event.
You are right. However, I think Sony chose Sweden as merely a place and time to do an announcement. i agree with you and I think everyone understands that they are not hoping to make a worlds fortune by selling new stuff to Sweden only 🙂 IMHO they could have as well just done it online live announcement but chose instead to have at least some physical place and time. This time it’s in Sweden. So be it. Does it really matter where they will announce it?
“Does it really matter where they will announce it?”
Basically no. But one would expect a place with a little bit more media coverage maybe? This is merely an annual photo fair on a tiny (albeit progressive) market. Well well, of Friday we will have the answer…
They will have all the media because nobody else will bring nothing new over the table that same day so they’ll have all the attention. Don’t expect much products tho, because it can happen like with the A7RII and the RX10II and RX100IV. The little ones lost most of the media attention due to the A7R II
I would have announced the three cameras separately at different events so each would get enough attention.. But perhaps Sony wanted to flex their muscles and make a statement.
France is a very tiny market too and Sony choose to announce the A68 at the Salon de la Photo in Paris… Media coverage is there as everywhere else in the world so what’s the heck ?
Why not ? They could announce the A99 mk2 anywhere. No matter from where it will lead to exitment…
Let me share my thoughts about the sense of IBIS with you:
Look at latest upgrades of 24-70 f2.8 of the big brands:
Canon 24-70 f2.8 USM L II still has no IS and became smaller and lighter.
Nikon 24-70 f2.8 VR got IS and became much larger and more heavy.
I prefer IS to have in the body, so the overall package has same weight and size, but it balances better with bigger lenses. 3rd party- and cheap lenses are stabilized, too. And a slightly bigger body gives more room for a bigger battery.
Just think about the Samyang Cine lenses – cheap, fast, lightweight. And then every equipped with a kind of IS – that’s great!
I agree. But that big boys you are talking about are FF stuff. And it makes perfect sense for FF to have IBIS. Not so for smaller APS-C. Look at 16-50PZ – it has OSS and yet it’s so tiny. OSS nowadays takes very little space if any. Most of bulk in lenses are due to sensor coverage need and “lazy” design – not willing to go extra mile to get smaller lens. We’ve seen many examples when one lens done right was smaller than other lens with similar specs, but done “lazy”.
I don’t agree that it makes only sense for FF but not for APS-C.
When IS in APS-C lenses can be made smaller as for the big guys, then IBIS for APS-C can made smaller, too. And the tiny 16-50 was made to bring all features on paper plus smallest size at the cost of image quality. Without OSS it would be maybe even smaller or maybe it would be able to improve the IQ at the same size.
BTW: if IBIS for APS-C does not make sense because it is smaller than FF, then IBIS does not make sense for mFT, too. Maybe someone should tell this to Olympus. 😉
And for recent Panasonic also)
One thing. Sony is aiming high value products, making IBIS on APS-C can be a good decision but will not diferentiate too much from full frame.
I don’t really think Sony aims aps-c mirrorless to professionals because they can’t ask the same amount of money from the aps-c body today and they know that most guys who buys their aps-c are amaeturs who don’t want to spend that much money on a system thats not exactly the best of the bunch. I think theres little possibility of IBIS on APSC, but i agree thats would be a better solution from an overall smaller package, with less weight. On the 4/3 side they have to offer the best they can on the package and having ibis doesn’t make their cameras much bigger because they aim that size already, smaller than that would be bad for handling. Note that their smaller consumer cameras doesn’t have IBIS. Only the pros and enthusiast amatuers.
Sorry for the bad english.
You mentioned some good points. The only reason to additionally have an APS-C body for professionals and enthusiasts is the frame rate. A7 series is just disappointing at this.
The reason why I think IBIS for APS-C can happen is to bring the E-mount system together:
If I buy today an A6000 and want to have a 50mm prime, I definitely get SEL50-OSS over the FE55. But I would prefer the FE55 if I play with the idea of upgrading to FF in future. But stucking on stabilized APS-C lenses for an APS-C body prevents me from upgrading to FF, because I have to buy everything again. And if I have to buy most of the equipment again when I upgrade, I am not bound to Sony’s lineup anymore. Maybe in 3 years Canon’s FF mirrorless are there and strong enough to jump over…
I just hope, Sony has similar thoughts and brings IBIS for it’s APS-C E-mount lineup. (At least for A-mount, the APS-C models have IBIS, that makes me optimistic)
After the new A7II announcement, the main reason I’m waiting before just buying an A7II is exactly what you state – frame rate.
I’m really hoping that I can get what amounts to:
A6000 framerate and AF
IBIS
The new adapted-lens AF algorithm
Yeah, but for them when you buy more is better so maybe thats what they wanted to begin with, a hard transition, you would be too tempted lust after their new tech and would buy it. hahaha
I agree that what you term as “lazy”designs are designs where manufacturing tolerances are higher so as to reduce costs and boost margins… The result is larger lenses… A pity given that with the A7r mk2 I would prefer smaller lenses, non “lazy” designs and I would be prepared to pay a premium for these new… providing depreciation was not so fast of course..
IBIS is useful at many shutter speed, depending on magnification.
Not sure why you thing it’s useless with people.
Also useful for panning with moving subject.
Also useful with moving subject like birds when they stop moving to let you take a pic.
Also useful to steady the EVF.
Bulkier and heavier? Have you seen Olympus bodies?
I’m surprised to see you dismiss IBIS so quickly. Nothing personal, I don’t care. But if you have people posing for a picture you can get away with 1/15 or slower using IBIS (if you’re willing to take a few shots). If you’re chasing kids around, I don’t even know what that requires.
There is so much excellent glass out there, owned by so many people, that will never be stabilized. For me, shooting a non-moving subject in low light, being able to shoot at 1/10 a second at ISO 800 instead of 1/40 at ISO 3200 makes all the difference in the world– especially on an APS-C sized sensor. I know we’re all different, but what I just described is a very common situation for me.
And IBIS for video is massively important, IMHO. Really good video glass is far more likely not to have IS in it. The video in the a6000 is now surprisingly good. So I could see using the next model as a B cam with an FS5/7 in a pinch (or not in a pinch).
I really don’t care about the touchscreen as I shoot with my eye looking through the view finder… I am very happy with IBIS and BSI but a stacked BSI would be an improvement of course.
Likely BSI stacked with copper interconnects like the A7r2 sensor technology.
Also likely the A68 has no more translucent glass since there’s 399 PDAF sensors embedded. Speed needs be faster than A7r2 sensor in order to remove it.
A7r2 sensor is a standard BSI sensor. It is not a stacked BSI sensor like the ones in the RX10m2 and RX100m4
Also the rumor text claimed Exmor R (BSI) not RS (stacked BSI)
I think A7000 gets the stacked BSI sensor.
Dude, I’ve seen her without her sensor glass on, and she’s definitely STACKED.
A68 has 399 PDAFs? Where did you found it?
Yes BSI with 399 PDAF and six extra translucent mirrors. It will also drive you to work.
I hope for BSI sensor
99% you will not be disappointed 🙂
I’m optimistic however I can’t help but wonder if that’s sarcasm in your voice. 🙂
It is surely not. Every time i or anyone else was sarcastic, guy got that literaly. Something to do with the fact he is German, probably 🙂
No – this time I am not sarcastic. I even expect this sensor to be an Exmor-RS (BSI-stacked like RX10 ii) to have an incredible readout speed and very good slow-motion movie modes. But this is just my private speculation. About standard BSI it is very likely to happen….
standard BSI – the term alone…. LOL
Did you flip that around? This is Sony Alpha Rumors you’re posting in. Even the a7rII is loathed for some reason or another by half the posters here. Xp
It will be BSI for sue and it will use PDAF covering whole sensor (much like 399 PDAF points on A7RII). Rumors were that it will be close to 30Mp, so 28Mp sounds about right. Fuji is waiting for this sensor as well BTW for their X-Pro-2. And Sony has 2 such sensors wit h24mp and another one with 28/30Mp. I bet Fuji will go with 24Mp, thus we will get 28/30Mp one.
But that’s all to be expected, but what i really want is to get +0.5 to +1 stop from thsi BSI tech. This I want much more than 399 PDAF.
I would exchange 200 PDAF points for -2EV AF sensitivity in A7000. 199 PDAF will be enough for me 🙂
You are so sure about rumors that you use them as truths.
The PDAFs can’t be full sensor and highly accurate at the same time, or at least with the actual technology implemented on A7R2, search how they work on Sony sensors, then refine your expectations.
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What kind of shooting do you do where you want that extra stop of DR, but can’t shoot a bracketed exposure? Just curious… I’m not a big user of AF myself, but to be able to *really* AF with Canon lenses (Nikon is asleep at the wheel in a parked car) I’d probably upgrade for that- and with in-body stabilization, I’d have to. I shoot handheld primarily in low light, and I do video as well. Having used a lot of cameras since my IBIS a65, I realize that that feature might be the one I miss the most.
Since Sony isn’t really taking APS-C lenses too seriously, all we need is a sensor that can AF well with Canon, and maybe one day Nikon. There are enough E-Mount lenses to cover the major bases, but if all the other lenses Sony will never get around to making can be made accessible via all the other manufacturers (with AF and IS), that’d be grrreat.
USB 3.1 Type-C please.
Get rid of the mini-HDMI.
Oh, and why not a new battery tech, with Quick-Charge.
So many choices in the coming 6-10 months from most formats – Sony APS, FF, m43, Fuji.
I’m pretty shocked at the evolution of camera tech.
and so many choices of canon lenses for your sony cameras 🙂
So much cheap stuff dropping in prices. I’m just going to own it all.
This sounds hard to believe but…..
Acording to today’s PhotoRumors…
In addition to uncompressed raw
The new firmware update for the a7ii will provide pd capability for adapted lenses, including A mount lenses similar to the a7rii.
So you completely missed this morning’s news story on SAR…
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-will-add-uncomrpessed-raw-on-the-a7ii-via-firmware-updated-coming-on-november-18/
Very true and VERY cool.
A68 camera get this much promotion? Something strange.
Maybe to let clear that A mount is not dead, or to make it look like that…
But Sony ISN’T promoting a68.
Just ordered a new A77ii.
Cangrats… it’s worth every penny
I think you’ll like it. I’ve been very happy with mine.
A very good choice: You get a very good camera for a reasonable price. I own one since 2014 and I’m very happy with it (image quality is much better that my previous A65) and autofocus is simply perfect (fast and precise) especially if you like to shoot sports events as I do (my albums can be found here https://www.flickr.com/photos/andip66/albums).
This seems kind of mockup of samsung 28mp with the 399 a7r2 pdaf sensors, but makes sense as 28 is 1,5 times smaller then the 42mpx. Why would sony make this? 24 mpx seems ideal for 4k. 28mpx would be the best ratio for increase in resolution and use BSI?
Actually the 1.5 crop factor is linear. 28 MP in APS-C equates to 63 MP in FF if the pixel density is the same.
Exactly, aps-c on my a7rII is 18mp.
Thanks for the correction, truly mistaken here.
No worries!
So the A99 mk2 may indeed be 63MP then. Is it what you mean ?
If Sony follows their recent pattern, they’ll give a surprise interview to a Monogolian web site with no English version – their statement will be translated as either “Of course, we remain committed to APS-C”. or “Sorry, we have had the funeral for APS-C”.
Lol, I loved how they’ve pulled A7SII from under the table on the non-related event. “Look, A7SII! Now back to FS5” or whatever they were presenting.
Yep, and this Friday they’ll probably pull a camera from under the table:
“BTW this is the new A7000, now, back to A68 presentation” …
Sony: “No announcement, guys. Surprise!”
a surprise announcement.
Probably they gonna present the new eyecup for A7RII.
Hoodman is already done that.
I hope they drop something massive and using the a68 as a pawn to throw people off guard! lol
This could also be completely unrelated to actual new products. Currently the Sony Imaging Pro Support only covers US and Germany. Could it be that they will finally expand the program and add more countries, specifically Sweden? Every time I asked regional Sony branch about this, they said that they are working on expanding to other countries in Europe. This would be very welcome news, especially for Nordic region!
28mpx like Samsung camera ? Samsung want to stop camera business. Maybee Sony will work with Samsung together.
Samsung will uses sony mobile sensor for S7 because ISOCELL incomplete.
and Sony might uses NX1 sensor because new APS-C sensor overheat issue.
🙂
At 28mp they should make a m43 and 1″ crop.
Yes I heard all of what you ask for is coming. Sony will now make a different camera for each photographer. Mine will be yellow and will only be able to take pictures of kittens.
Yes stacked and Exmor plus an unrolling shutter to combat rolling shutter.
It will be a good surprise. 😉
STARVIS
STARVIS
STARVIS
STARVIS is for security cams, but the tech could filter down to other sensor lines.
Starving for Starvis
IBIS
IBIS
IBIS
http://www.hotel.de/media/hotel/pictures/131/131191/Other_635580602945501001.jpg
“Suprise” is A99II with 42mpix sensor.
8 new lens.
nice rumors…
If it is a BSI Sensor, i remember the last announcement a7r2 full frame BSI.
Just the BSI stuff:
“……….
The new sensor combines gapless on-chip lens and AR coating on the surface of the
sensor’s glass seal to improve light collection efficiency, resulting in high
sensitivity with low-noise performance and wide dynamic range. …
Additionally, the sensor’s back-illuminated structure, with an expanded circuit
scale and copper wiring design, enables faster transmission speed, …..”
If the advantage of the new Sensor with 28 MP is well balanced and there is a improvement over the older 24 MP Sensor (low noise performance, higher sensitivity, dynamic range) it is very nice. And if they are able to use a part of improvement to push up the MP count too, it’s well done.
If they only push the MP count and just preserve the same level of noise, sensitivity, etc…..?
I hope they will not.
Just for me, with focus on BSI improvements, the light collection efficiency would be enough, without sharing a part in higher MP Count.
nex-5n, (a5100 tested), a6000, SEL50F18 OSS, SEL35F18 OSS, SELP1650 OSS, SEL1855 OSS, SEL16F28, VCL-ECU1, LA-EA1, SAL35F18 …..
This is, I believe, the 4th rumored release of an a6100/a7000. If it doesn’t happen, I’m removing SAR from my browser bookmarks. That won’t stop me from typing in the URL but maybe I can shake the habit for good this time. I’ll never get back the countless hours I’ve spent waiting for the ads to load…
By ads, are you referring to articles, or to the banners on the tops and sides? :p
For real rumors mirrorless rumors is better, their sources are still relevant compared to SAR.
What about an apsc low light? U know something different.
..that would be huge!
The 28MP sensor will be bsi and have good, not stellar, low light performance. In terms of video low light capability it all depends whether the signal processor is able to do all interesting video modes without pixel binning.
So it might be too early to dismiss it as a good low light option.
none .. but it would be fun to have them available 🙂
haha – like a new car.
After first time driving it is used.
Have you ever been to this fair? I have, on several occasions. And the only thing that has ever caused any commotion is the queue to the free on-site sensor cleaning service Canon and Nikon offer. But who knows, maybe Sony actually has something nice to show?
We don’t even know whether the a6100 will materialize, let alone have a 28MP sensor. But if Samsung can make a 28 MP APS-C sensor, Sony should be able to make 63 MP FF, yes.