The image on top shows the new Zeiss Loxia 35mm f/2.0 Biogon Full Frame E-mount lens. Just like the yesterday leaked 50mm Loxia this is a manual focusing lens with electronic aperture control.
At the Zeiss really took inspiration from their ZM lens line as both new Loxia match the specs and kind of “general” design of these two:
[shoplink 9808 ebay]Biogon T* 2/35 ZM (here on eBay)[/shoplink].
[shoplink 9809 ebay]Planar T* 2/50 ZM (here on eBay)[/shoplink].
I have been told that Zeiss will announce those lenses within the next 3-4 days, likely on Monday or Tuesday! And these will be just the first two lenses of five to come within the next 6-12 months!
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hmm, now we have “blue ring” to counter the “red ring”?
Gollum must be confused which one to get.
the Tamron’s golden ring then? lol
orange and blue, so Netherlands
it was about time to copy it. whatever. others have red rings too. samyang for example. but it’s simple: Canon forever !
Not to spoil the show or what, Sony Alpha ring is actually Orange in colour.
As beautiful as 50/2, very tempting.
Look like the 50 without the hood. So the 50 and the 35 will have the same size and look exactly the same? Or there’s a mixing in the photos?
No, different distance scales.
Right. Thank you to point out.
But they seems to have the same length.
Gorgeous lens, to bad I already own the sony-zeiss 35 2.8
Still waiting for something under 20mm…
It would be amazing if the next lens Zeiss released was the 15mm 2.8. I mean, it’d be $2500, but amazing.
15mm f2.8 ZM version is $4,600 (B&H), would prefer f4 for Loxia version at around 2.5k, we usually use small aperture for landscape anyway.
The ZM is a fine lens that if they can fix the corner issue and some of the TCA, I would gladly pay $4600. My ZM at WO is sharper in the center than the Samyang at any aperture (not just contrast but details as well-ridiculous I know). Too bad, as soon as I move out to about 1/3 of the frame, it smears. Stopping down to f/11 brings it up pretty close to the Samyang across frame.
Most likely Zeiss will fix it by improved optical design + software corrections.
And you do need 2.8 for astrophotography anyway. The brighter the better.
Zeiss must know these lenses will appeal to the needs of videographers. In that case, where is the cine version with built-in gears? If Samyang can have two different versions of the same lens design, so can Zeiss.
They already have dedicated Cine lenses. Why compete against it’s own set of highly regarded Cine Lenses?
The existing cine lenses are extremely price prohibitive and are meant for industry pros. The Loxia line appears to be targeted at enthusiasts. Thus, they would hardly be competing with each other. All that needs to be added is a simple lens gear. Look at what Samyang does. It’s a viable option.
These are too small to be comfortably used with a follow focus.
I disagree. All that is needed is a gear to interact with the lens barrel.
Well, I guess we have different tolerances for comfort. I hate maneuvering the rig to get the FF driving gear that close to the body.
It would at least be nice to see some sort of high quality e-mount cine lens. What with the A7s and the FS100/FS700 series, I would think the demand is there. Sure you can adapt, but then you lose this advantage of small size.
can’t wait to …. laugh at the price 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YZavb9Fzz0
You owe me 3:09 minutes of my life back. That includes interest as I didn’t watch the whole thing.
really ? is that stupid? i didnt watch it at all. just posted it cuz the main thumbnail of the video is adequate with the zeiss’ prices :))
3 minutes… tc tc tc. maybe you’r fen of sony’s? 🙂 and there is four more… 🙂
after all you decide how to spend your time. good luck next time 🙂
I’ve pulled funnier stuff out of my bum.
Only few more days to go. I would like to see the lens construction details. I sincerely hope they are not rebadged ZM lenses
They won’t be.
Zeiss can’t risk their reputation with rehousing the 35/2. It simply does NOT work on the A7 series.
Exactly my thoughts which is contrary to the suggestion made by SAR!
It is possible they have taken the 35/2 ZM Biogon and simply corrected it for the focus shift in the outer zones caused by sensor glass.
This would actually be good because the ZM Biogon is a great lens on film.
Doubt these are anything but rehoused ZM lenses. That might give some indication on their price.
I guess those two are a nice starting point for a new line of lenses. Three more lenses – two wide angles and a portrait tele? Seems like a nice coverage. Whatever, I’m fully covered with their Touits. By the way, the Touit line didn’t get a new lens announcement for two years now – any new lens coming?
From my rough measurements, this Biogon has about the same lenght as the ZM Biogon (adapter included), where the diameter is that of the E-mount (larger than the ZM). Is it simply a rehoused ZM lens? I very much doubt that, because it would for sure give problems on the A7 and A7r. I believe Zeiss could resolve the problems of the ZM lenses on the A7(r) bodies, by enlarging the distance from back lens to sensor, and/or enlarging the diameter of the back lens. This would result in a less slanted ray angle. I would be extremely disappointed if Zeiss didn’t work on this, knowing what the problems were… We have no specs of this lens here, but the Planar specs are slightly different from those of the ZM Planar, indecating that Zeiss realy reworked this lens for the FE mount, where, in the case of the Planar, it wasn’t even necessary, since there was no problem at all with this lens on the Sony bodies. So I believe we can be sure that Zeiss will have reworked the 35/2 Biogon as well. Consequently I think this is far from a rehoused ZM lens. It’s surely based on it, but reworked and improved. That’s my bet.
Another solution to the Biogon ZM/A7x problems could be a software update from Sony, like Leica has for their WA lenses. It wouldn’t be surprising that Zeiss and Sony collaborated on this project. Given the fact that there is communication between the Loxia lenses and Sony bodies, the lens will be recognized and the correction software could be automatically engaged. In that case a simple rehousing could be possible. Thinking a bit further, this correction software could even be engaged manually, in case a ZM lens is mounted, which would solve the problems with the ZM Biogons. There’s a lot of fantasy here, but I guess it’s not impossible. Let’s wait and see.
Software can correct vignetting and color shift, but not smearing caused by thick sensor filters.
Correct. There has to a tweak in the designs.
Yes, you’re right. It slipped my mind for a sec. I guess we just have to wait a few more days and see… 🙂
24, 35, 50, 85 and 135 it’s all that this new lens lineup needs. I’m very curious about the price because I’m sure IQ will be stellar.
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I’d be very surprised if the chose 135 over a wider lens like 20 or 15, considering all the clamor for a wide lens.
I hope the price is not too crazy. If the focus confirm is accurate then I would prefer this to Af. Sometimes depending on the lighting Af can suck.
I think they’ll be around $1000-$1200 at least. They in every way look to marketed towards a higher end than the current 35mm and 55mm, so they should be priced higher than those. I think these need to be fairly expensive to set a bench mark. E mount has plenty of cheap glass.
Admin, is this include in 15 sony roadmap?
No.
Since these aren’t strictly Sony manufactured like the normal Zeiss FE lenses, they wouldn’t be. We get other lenses too!
Any news on an FE tele-macro? Anything on the 90-100mm range would be perfect (with oss)
Really hoping that at least the 35mm has the little focus nub like the ZM version does. It would help a lot.
Biogon? That is a surprise.
Next leak maybe some MTF charts?
Thanks for the work, Admin. It all sounds good so far.
lovely looking, now if they could only add auto focus?
No
Autofocus isn’t just a “go ahead and add it” feature. There is a reason lens designs like these give a certain character/rendering to their images. I’m not saying it’s better, but it’s certainly different and unique. Modern mirrorless autofocus lenses function and therefore need to be designed much different. It’s not about the “best,” but what your needs are.
Does electronic aperture control mean it will override the manual setting on the lens at capture time? i.e. I can focus wide open and the camera willchange aperature to let say f/5.6 at capture time?
I think it meant the camera can capture the aperture data from the lens and input that into the exif of the photo. e-mount lenses do not work like dslr / dslt. It doesn’t close down the aperture only when taking a photo. it closes down the aperture as soon as you select the aperture value. This is to allow true liveview (i.e. liveview will relflect the depth of field for the given selected aperture, possible only when the selected aperture is actually in use while liveview feed is on).
I think these two lens are new designs like the A7R sensor is a new design compared to the D800 sensor.
Well, yes and no I think. We will know in a few days. 🙂
I don’t know why I’m not convinced by this image. It looks like a composite of the FE 35mm f/2.8 ZA and the front element of some other lens…
That plus the ridiculously long lens hood from yesterday’s 50mm…
I could easily be wrong of course. SR5 or no, I’m suspicious. 🙂
EDIT: also, why didn’t they differentiate the focus ring from the aperture ring? If they both have the same texture it is conceivable that a photographer may accidentally turn one ring rather than the other.
The aperture ring is so close to the mount it is hardly possible to turn it on accident.
Wow. If you can’t feel and differentiate the separation between the two rings, you have bigger problems.
I’m not saying that I *couldn’t* feel the difference. It is just pretty common to have a different texture for the aperture and focus rings.
It does look a bit cramped. Many small lenses can offer good ergonomics, with a different groove or size to the aperture ring. As of now, we’re all just guessing unless you’ve been allowed to test one?
Agree. The “loxia 2/50” on yesterday’s image also was not curved and thus pasted in. Something’s not right here.
Nothing wrong with these pictures. These are the real deal.
I’ll just have to take your word for it then! :^)
How did Mirrorless Rumors have your own image up before you did?
Same admin?
I was excited to see zeiss innovate, but these lenses are just fe mounts of the ZM collection. I was hoping for new designs the FE 55. Maybe even an otus mount.
They’ll need to be updated given the performance issues of such designs on the E mount. I’m not sure what you mean by an otus mount.
Given the FE 55 lens with focus-by-wire AI-fast-slow-turning speed-detection design, how to manual focus (especially while shooting video)? I’m really annoyed by this “technology”! Haven’t enough people selling Sony about this issue??
I hope these lenses are not focus-by-wire!
The most annoying thing on the Sony E mount native lenses is this thing! I really don’t know how to manual focus now. I can’t understand why Sony would allow this to happen! Can’t they just do a firmware update to give us an option to choose a “constant focus ring movement speed”? We don’t want “AI” on fast/slow movement! Please Sony, give us a constant speed option!
i was going to ask if zeiss loxia line will have a hard stop at infinity..but im going to assume yes due to the infinity symbol.
These new lenses look very lightweight, just like other E Mount lenses, with thin metal barrel and other materials inside. It seems that ZM/ZE/ZF lines of the old times will remain unrivalled in build quality. Unfortunately.
Is the aperture ring the other way around? Seriously? any half decent photographer would not buy it.
Any half decent photographer would know sometimes you need to adapt to strange equipment quirks if it gives you the picture you like. It’s not about how you use, it is about what you can use it for.
Do you think 50 and 35 will have the same housing? I don’t quite believe those to images are true. But I would love the design. I hope the 35/2 will be great and just as compact as the 35/2.8. Maybe the lens hood won’t be as small though…