Is the high resolution camera the rumored 50MP A7x?
A few days ago I received a rumor about a high-resolution FF camera (article here). Well I posted this with a very low SR1 ranking in strong believe this is not going to happen yet.
Well guys, the good news is that I had to raise the rumor level from SR1 to SR3 🙂
I really cannot tell you more as I just got that info today and I still am waiting to get specs. But there seems to be a very good chance that Sony will introduce a “high resolution” camera (around 50 megapixel). I yet don’t know if this is an A or E-mount (A7x?) or RX or medium format or whatever. So keep still your feet on ground for now.
At that point I am asking all sources to help me out on this by sending some info about that camera anonymously… Thanks 🙂
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If it is E mount, I just hope that they will make it with a decent shutter.
who cares about the shutter when its going to melt in your hand while processing the files…
“Barry! Barry! Come quickly!”
But he’ll want it for 500 dollars.
No 36MP A-mount yet so I wouldn’t expect a jump to 50MP at this time, although I wish they do :/
Sure, I think will come in E-mount first then follow by A-mount.
It’s all very well in itself, but as this 50MP+ camera is full frame, by the time its images have been cropped back to APS-C, it is no higher res than an A77.
And I truly doubt how many FF lenses can resolve that kind of resolutions. But I respect Barry for his passion in art and chosen the difficult path that many of us lacking the courage to do so.
In the centre? Quite a lot.
In the corners, wide angles are going to look bad (compared to centre resolution), it would be very hard to design an affordable wideangle that could take advantage of the resolution in the corners.
Every lens will look better on higher resolution 🙂
Just make it A- and E-mount. Shouldn’t be too difficult, right? Oh, and now we are at it, Where are the A99r and s?
It doens’t seem unrealistic to me: the first FF 36MP sensor was launched in March 2012, so almost 2,5 years ago (Nikon D800). So if Sony now decides to keep new evolutions (like the A7s sensor) first for their own cameras, it could certainly be possible.
RX1 camera with 50mp mf sensor.
What about that rumored black&white ff e-mount? Would be nice to see a A7b for a reasonable (fun/second cam) price tag.
Sony is so crazy and I like it
Hang out with crazies and you’ll go crazy too.
BOYCOTTED!
wrong forum brother
Probably overkill for me (not too mention too expensive for my budget!), but very interesting developments nonetheless.
Come baby come baby baby come come
Sony can come out with all the cameras having all the bells and whistles they want, but if seeing them, trying them, and buying them, their lenses and accessories remains as it is (a lot like pulling teeth) then it will all be for nothing!
They have some really fantastic products (although I think they need some unbiased advice during development), but their service and supply chain is worse than appalling.
of course there will be a ‘high resolution’ camera with the highest resolution consumer cameras nowadays have – 36mp… 😛
A7hr – high resolution
Yet another E-Mount body with yet even more megapixels at Photokina.
The YEAR OF THE A-MOUNT just as planned!
Kill me now, I can’t stand to look!
The initial rumours were about “The year of the Alpha”. At that time the NEX naming was still in place and everyone thought that “The year of the Alpha” means a-mount. However, NEX was dropped shortly after and e-mount cameras also magically became “Alpha”. Thus, “The year of the Alpha” is very much the case, just don’t confuse Alpha with a-mount only.
Nope, I can’t find it right now, but I specifically remember the rumor being about ‘The Year of A-Mount’ (as opposed to E-Mount), not the ‘year of the Alpha’. You can find the original post to prove me wrong…
I’m in the same shoes, another 18 days we’ll know everything. Andrea will provide us some news here and there during this period of time.
Of course everyone already knows I have been waiting for a high res sensor…possibly 54mp multilayered.
I would like to see this on A mount first…possibly even mirrorless A mount as per some old rumors.
It would be very frustrating if this were only available on thier low end E mount system…that system has too little versatility for many applications.
A hybrid or 2 cameras would be a possible way to go.
I expect this adds credibility to the speculation that Canon is also planning to introduce a high res stacked sensor as I think it unlikely that Sony would release a camera like this now otherwise.
Yes, Sony tend to release sensors in response to Canon, of course!
Haha is this a serious post?
Yes, I tend to agree, I have tried the e-mount systems and for many reasons it just doesn’t add up for me. I like the idea of having choices on sensors for the a-mount systems. I could probably only afford one FF body (given lenses take priority for me). Hope you get to see the announcement at least this year for that 54mp ML, I would like to see a 12 (or better yet 18 mp) S version.
Sony came up with a great idea with the a7 series..
Build one camera and put different sensors in it for differrend uses…. This results in a large variety of essentially differrent cameras while reducing production costs.
This concept should be repeated for A mount cameras with 12, 24, 36, 54mp as possible versions.
Of course if mirroress A mount becomes a reality then a new body type would be necessary but could again be used for multiple sensors.
Yep was going to mention I would like the mirror-less, or better yet a flip up mirror system to choose to shoot either way 🙂 !
A likely possibility is that sony will replace the current 30% slt mirror with a 20% one or a vignetted one.
Vignetted?
A recently patented sony slt mirror is more reflective in the center and more transparent on the edges.
This is to reduce the light drop off inherrent in most lenses.
Why would you want a vignetted mirror?
It is much more credible that Canon is NOT planning to release a stacked sensor at any resolution, anytime soon. Check the Canon Rumors site.
No one is developing them. They’re a waste of money. The current CMOS technology will be well past 200mp before Barry’s super sensor to market.
There is no credibility to the Canon rumour, as it came from your mind. You’re a fantasist.
Everyone will think of an A or FE mount camera, how about the Sony 50MP MF sensor in an upscaled RX body with a fixed Zeiss lens???
Personally I would like an A7x with IBIS and I would be a happy chappy 🙂
I would by a 50mp RX1 with a 50mm f/2 (1.8 preferable) lens.
I believe the original rumor was for Sony to make a mirrorless fixed lens MF camera similar to the Mamiya 7. That is what I am hoping for. However, for a fixed lens they should make it a Zeiss 21mm lens or 18mm. With 50+ MP, you can always crop down for tighter FOV, but you can never go wider. With that many megapixels, they could offer multiple aspect ratios (1:1, 4:3, 3:2, 16:9 and even 21:9). This would make for an ideal compact MF camera for high resolution landscape photography.
A900: First 24mp FF
A9: First 50mp FF?
…because Sony do love that ‘world’s first/largest/smallest/highest/fastest’ phrase.
Well halo product is indeed important
My guess: A-mount followers will be very happy soon.
Three thoughts.
1. If they call this the A7x they’ll be using identical naming conventions to Nikon. That seems a little unfortunate and very unoriginal. A7s and D4s (high ISO), A7x and D3x (high resolution).
2. More bodies Sony? Native lenses are what this system needs. In fact they’re what’s holding it back. Adaptors are junk. People want quality, reasonably priced, AF glass. Some Sony glass is great, all of it is overpriced (name another system where the AF 50 1.8 is $1,000).
3. Let’s hope they fix the UI. The A7 is a horrible camera to use. Rather than stealing Nikon’s naming convention, why not steal the feel?
Using a similar letter at the end of a model designation is unfortunate and unoriginal? You must be joking, If Sony was using someone else’s sensor now that would be unfortunate and unoriginal. The stupidity of you first statement invalidates anything said in the next two.
I agree with all of them but I wouldn’t object to 55/1.8’s pricing. There are only three alternatives to what that lens does (Image Quality-wise), being
1) Sigma 50/1.4 Art: Horrible AF, huge and heavy
2) Zeiss Otus: No AF, even bigger
3) Something Leica makes
In this perspective, 55/1.8 is a reason by itself to buy a A7 camera.
Very unoriginal? Adapters are junk? A horrible camera to use?
How old are you? Seventeen?
Adapters are not junk but most of the adapted lenses are. Also, there are no good alternatives for portrait and wide angle.
Of course there are alternatives but none of them are without issues.
Huh? You can adapt almost every lens ever created and you are saying there are no good ones for wide angle or portrait?
Name 4 lenses, each.
Are you serious? Take the whole Contax lineup, adapt Voigtlander lenses, old and current, adapt Nikkors, adapt Olympus, adapt Zeiss SLR or rangefinder….
Contax lineup as in Contax G? Unusable AF and corner issues everywhere.
Voigtländer? They have a 75/1.8 which would be mostly too short for portraits and a series of wide angle lenses, all with corner issues.
Nikkors? Too long (Due to adapter size), too expensive (recent ones), too heavy (old ones), very short focus throw.
Zeiss SLR lenses? Do you want to put a 670g lens (85/1.4 for Canon)in front of your A7?
Of course you can do all of these and take some nice pictures but a lot of people don’t want to.
Adapted lenses are fun if they are cheap or unique. A TS-E 17 is a new breath on your photography, Canon FD lenses are cheap and very good, Voigtländer 35/1.2 is really exciting but still, there are no good wide angle and portrait options without major issues.
If you think otherwise, name the lenses.
You said “adapted lenses are junk”. That is simply not the case and I can easily name plenty of lenses to counter that. Now you are changing your sweeping generalization to include size and price. That’s a different argument. What you are saying now is that these lenses need to be small, cheap and good quality? Good luck with that, but no argument there – not many such lenses exist, regardless of brand or format. Rangefinder lenses are actually problematic to an extent on every existing sensor.
Adapted lenses are not just for “fun” and for “cheap”. They also provide focal lengths or features inexistant in the native lineup and mechanical operation. Btw, I have absolutely no problem putting even a 1kg lens on a mirror-less camera, I don’t know where that idea of “balancing issues” came from.
So what is the issue with the TS-E 17 on an A7? How would a Leica 90mm be worse on an A7 than on a Leica?
Really, just looking by spec you can tell that the lens overpriced? not performance, build quality, character wise?
1. Who cares.
2. Sony is releasing lenses at a pace surpassing any other mirror-less system to date. Adaptors are hardly junk, I have posters printed from 40 year old adapted lenses that look great. Sony glass is not overpriced, if you do the effort of doing an actual proper comparison with other brands and not cherry-pick something to suit your bad mood.
3. You don’t like the lenses, you don’t like the feel; buy the Nikon. Nikon’s menus aren’t any better, unless you have been using them for long and it has become a habit.
I think we can reasonable agree that the FA 70-200mm II is overpriced (in my option by a wide margin compared to the competition).
Let us agree then. But let’s also agree that we are speaking of one lens from the whole lineup.
I own the Sony 70-200mm G2, and it’s a high performing professional lens. It paid for itself in less than a week. Did I mention fast on the A900, and A99 its faster than the Zeiss 24-70.
This is probably the single most important FF lens to own if you take photos for a living.
And It’s not overpriced, its price was adjusted for 20 years of inflation.
I did not say the quality is poor.
Compared to the optically re-designed Canon 70-200mm II (with IS) and the Nikon 70-200mm (with IS) the Sony version, which lacks optical stabilization and features an optical design that dates back to Minolta costs at least 20% more than its peers.
It is essentially the same lens as the Minolta G or Sony-branded G with a new coating and more durable AF drive gears. For this, Sony increased the price by 50% over the prior model. That’s well beyond inflation.
“Sony glass is great, all of it is overpriced (name another system where the AF 50 1.8 is $1,000).”
Leica sells a 50 f2 lens for $2350. Oh, and it’s MF actually.
I know, it’ll be a new camera with A AND FE mount that doesn’t require an adapter, with some fancy moving mount, ‘worlds fastest autofocus’, mirrorless and 5-axis ibis. Here’s to dreaming big =p.
Boycotting Sony until a proper 9 series native Alpha Mount is released. Had enough.
Sick of all this show off tech masturbation on toy cameras that fuss and creak with slow startup. First they destroy the flash system I depended upon to pay bills with and now they destroy the Alpha native I’ve trusted for 30 years. Telling all my CaNikon peers to STAY AWAY unless they want to lose their elegant speedlight solutions.
FIX the smart HSS flash delay on all cameras.
FIX the slow startup and response times.
FIX the a99 sticking control wheels.
FIX the a7X tethering shutdown when VG switches batteries.
FIX the magnified playback to a900/700 style going to focus selection point.
FIX the unusable flash when using adapted lenses.
FIX a7 sleep mode losing settings.
FIX a7 requiring 3 step menu dive to change AF point.
FIX a7 inability to attach tripod to LAEA-4 when VG is used.
FIX a7 batteries going in 4 different ways but only one works.
FIX a7 internal battery charging when using VG.
FIX a7 VG ergonomics can’t change settings without removing finger from shutter.
FIX a7 mushy shutter release for more tactile feel on two stage press.
FIX a7 to allow diagonal scrolling like all real Alphas do.
FIX the ridiculous flash adapter that DOES NOT LOCK onto new MIS shoe.
FIX Sony incessant need to avoid giving their loyal professional evangelist the best sensor available, rather than forcing us to use a kiddy toy camera just to keep up with our competitive peers who’ve had it for years now.
Like a bad girlfriend, Sony gives the best cookies to another lover, and expects us to thank her for it?
Boycotted! Sony’s decisions are affecting my ability to run a successful business. Minolta a900’s helped my business in every way. The new stuff has provided nothing but inconsistency, unpredictability, and far greater unreliability in the adaptamatic connection chain. I’d go on but I’m too busy trying to find where I misplaced those stupid flash adapter caps.
Stay away CaNikon friends. The lure of tech lust will destroy the refinements you’ve come to rely upon. Sony can keep their high resolution false promises and shove them up their joysticks.
I am after many of those, especially: ‘FIX a7 to allow diagonal scrolling like all real Alphas do’. It disturb me much too 🙁
FIX A7 overly sensitive EVF sensor
FIX A7 unable to connect to iPad via existing WiFi network (I have to disconnect my iPad from my home network to use it with A7)
FIX A7 not having the infolithium M series battery like A99, A900 and S75 (Cybershot from 2003. YES, even point and shoot cameras used to have proper batteries back then)
FIX A7 useless user setting modes 1-2 on mode dial (Just copy what Canon does, I want even my screen brightness recorded as a user setting)
FIX 87 different folders on SD card
FIX a7 viewfinder overheating. Happened twice at a concert last weekend.
Just SHUT ME DOWN… Thanks Sony!
Inconsistency is your only consistency.
so what camera will you buy instead? just curious…
The a77 an a900 never failed.
Nikon D750
Hasn’t happened to me…Have been using in mid 30 degrees in bangkok…
FIX LAEA-4 connection reliability. F-Stop consistently goes “–” when using Alpha lenses. Remove adapter, reset, all good for a minute until it happens again.
I hate adapters.
drama queen
Stay on topic jerald.
Name calling creates drama without addressing real life issues.
I feel the same Way. Nikons D750 is looking VERY tempting. Especially since it is a higher end body with tilt-screen LCD. One of the major advantages of Sony over Nikon in my opinion and now that advantage is GONE….
its sony… it will be named a3s with 50mp, a-Mount, no tripod mount but with wlan, world fastest af (like all sony cameras since 10 years), new flash-mount. All sigma lenses don’t work any more and the left part of the camera is waterproof to 100m, the right part not.
I’m a landscape photographer. 50mp would be nice – i don’t need high iso. ISO800 is the highest i use. At the moment i’m happy with my a77 and 50mp would be the same pixelsize on screen.
But i prefer E-Mount for this. Why?
My a77 can be a backup and for teleshots (cropfactor, better handling) with 70400G. The E-mount a3s could be perfect for architecture and landscape (so i dont need a fast AF at all…).
But i don’t need this camera with the actual lenses. f4 lens at FF is as useful als f2,8 at APS-C but costs much more.
@unnamed sources: Maybe you could stop sending the rumors to the site and just post them on here because we rarely ever see the actual rumors until they are no longer rumors. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of the site if you think about it.
Are this rumor come from Barry? 😛
The 50.1mp sensor has been in the works for three years, and the original yields were supposed to have been horrible. Maybe they finally figured it out.
Maybe it is the first MF mirrorless sony cam…the sony sensor used in the pentax 645z, p1 iq 250 and hassy hd5 50c…..maybe it is a fixed lens otherwise a new mount is necessary but an interhcnageable mirrorless mf system would be the killer of the whole photokina /camera industry woudl be shocked………me mount is coming……
Cause 36mp just isn’t enough?
Some benefits i noticed using it:
Provides amazing flexibility to the camera:
– Electronic zoom with retention of detail (crop, less lenses required)
– Sensitivity boost through down sample of file
– maximum resolution when needed
– ability to re frame shot for multiple scenes from single image through cropping
etc
Image resolution though is still severely limited by interpolation. Introduce pixel shift like Hasselblad and that could be a simple way around this until better sensors are developed.
This is a no brainer. It’s definitely an A-Mount, and the reason for the security lock down. A 50mp sensor will likely produce a massive amount of heat, and a very large body will be required to house it.
This is probably why recent rumours of the A99II indicate that it has a larger body with a built in battery grip, possibly to house this behemoth of a chip.
Heat is the reason the 36mp sensor couldn’t be used in the original A99, maybe they actually learned from their last fuc*-up.
Sony learn, that’s funny. They’ll probably give Canon the sensor just to ensure their impending bankruptcy.
I’ve still never understood why these camera companies ever have cooling problems… have they never heard of active cooling? Lord, if they used thermoelectric cooling they wouldn’t even have any noise to deal with.
Can you think of how many pictures you can take when your camera is equipted with active cooling? The cooling element uses a lot of energy and the fan takes the rest. Oh and don’t think your camera has a short startup time, as the sensor first must be cooled down…
Leaf backs had fan cooling. Lots of fun shooting in the rain or a wind day on a beach…Fan cooling …count me out!!
I couldn’t care less about their supposed “fuc*-up” the A99 is a probably the best all around (master of nothing jack of all trades) FF DSLR “styled camera” you can buy.
“master of nothing”.
That’s a good thing, right?
Agreed and if the damn price would come down a bit I’d swallow that pill. Lot’s of users I’ve spoken with say they don’t care if the A99II has 36MP- they’ll be sticking with the A99II. For all the gripes, it’s a sold camera with superb image quality in the right hands.
There Was No F-UP. Its a deal they worked with Nikon when they sold them the sensor. Sony said “Buy this amazing 36MP Sensor from us in mass quantities for you D8XX’s and we wont put it in one of our own bodies and we will only offer our loyal customers 24MP and cripple the AF area in the A99 to insure nobody leaves Nikon for Sony”
The marketing buzz from launching a 50mp FF camera would definitely propel the A-Mount for the next five years. I’d drive the gear heads into GAS rage, and wreck the 5D MKIV launch.
Once they are able to fix the heat issue they’d be able to dump it into a A7 Series housing, and wreck the Fuji FF mirror-less launch.
“posting it more so it will come true” trick is working!! Please do few more times of re-posting it and I am pretty sure it will come true. 🙂
Watching Sony chase the next thing before delivering a lens lineup for existing customers is why (well, one reason) I sold all of my NEX gear and have resisted the strong urge to buy into A7x. Here we go again.
Other reasons include sensor overheating (which seems to be back), inconsistent controls across models, and that NEX UI, which mercifully got put down. Oh, and super expensive flash converters to enable every radio trigger on the planet.
And yet they keep me watching, just in case they focus on A7 long enough to build a full system because so much is so good. Just like NEX7 promised…
Superior tech alone won’t beat Canon. Sony needs customer focus too.
Wishful thinking I guess….many have switched from Canon and continue to do so.
Please show numbers to support that pipe dream.
Just throw an ice cube in there, snap your lens back on and your good to go. Wammo…no more overheating.
🙂
You first.
Did it! Ok, it was a broken A100 so I guess that doesn’t count. Funny thing is, after ripping the sensor out I gave it a real beating. I couldn’t believe how resistant to scratching it was. For all the fuss about scratching the sensor I’m pretty sure you could take a brillo pad to those things and get away with it.
@DouglasGottlieb
“I sold all of my NEX gear”
Thats great! Now there will be one less no-lenses cry-baby.
… or maybe not 🙁
Are you saying you think they did a good job on NEX or that you just object to someone voicing an opinion? Great if the lens rollout worked for you and you enjoy the system, but I’m not alone. And as unhappy as I was with it, I’d still like to see Sony continue to force the industry to compete. And will buy the system that bests suits my needs, regardless of brand or history.
Companies are crazy if they’re not collecting constructive user criticism. And customers are crazy to expect change if they don’t demand it.
random sony whining. that was not as interesting as you thought…
The whole “Sony chasing the next big thing” line is getting old. They make cameras, people buy them and it keeps them in business. Your options with an FE camera are pretty much limitless if your willing to use adapters. No need to wait on Sony for anything. As far as the alpha line-up the gaps IMO are few. Only canon seriously has the tilt shift lenses nailed down anyway. Besides, if the pent up demand was so high I’m sure they’d be pumping out lenses monthly- guess not. Only Sony knows what is actually selling. That translates to what gets pushed through the development pipeline. For all the talk on here about filling gaps, I’m sure most of those on here have no real intention of purchasing those products. That’s the difference between a perceived need and a real one.
Someone more knowledgeable may be able to give deeper insight, but 48 megapixels may be better than 50 for video down sampling to 4k since it is evenly divisible by 12 (which would leave 8mp / 4k res once cropped for 16×9). Also if it’s a stacked sensor it would be three 16mp layers (or four 12mp layers).
Your calculations are fine. You could indeed do a 2×2:1 mapping for 4K video (after all, it’s about 4 x the A7S resolution). Indeed, you could do such a think with a sensor of a little over 40MP.
However, there’s a big problem. 4 times as many photosites to read per frame is 4 times the data rate (for the same frame rate). That’s an awful big load on the sensor, so even if it could be done, heat would be a huge issue.
The A7S can only manage the full readout trick at up to 30FPS. At higher frame rates it has to sub-sample (aka “line skipping”). Even at 30FPS, the A7S suffers from a lot of rolling-shutter problems (in FF mode), so I think the frame read rate for 30fps is marginal with only about 8 million pixels to read per frame. It’s difficult to see how there could be a leap in technology which allowed over 32 million pixels to be read in 1/30th second (at least outside a full professional video camera with active cooling and very large batteries, although I sense even that would be an issue).
So, if there was to be a 50MP sensor camera, expect it to sub-sample (line skip) for video.
Hi Steve, I had mentioned the 16×9 crop. So of the 48mp, about 16mp are unused to get down to 16×9 leaving 32 – which rather neatly can be down sampled to 8.
I would imagine that the processor in the a7s is not clocked to its maximum potential given the tight package. Bumping up the body size from the a7s to a large body SLR would provide a lot better heat dissipation opportunities. So they same processor could be tweaked to run more powerfully. I have no clue if it would be enough for full sensor readout.
Ultimately though, I believe you are correct and such a high megapixel camera would employ line-skipping. If Sony goes to the expense and effort of producing a large SLR body, making a cinema variant with the a7s sensor and superior processing (perhaps with the FZ mount & a-mount adapter and dual shoes as the 2013 NAB prototype).
Didn’t we just have a rumor about a Sony medium format fixed lens camera. Wouldn’t this be what you are referring too? If not, it’s obviously the A99II.
The 50mp FF has been has been in the works for a while. They had samples out a year ago, but the yields were horrible, and they severe heat issues. I thought the project was put on the back burner.
This isn’t the kind of sensor you can put in anything smaller than a A99 sized DSLR.
Well, I’m reading plenty of rumors concerning overheating on the D810 and the issue with noise performance. Some state it’s worse than the previous D800. You’d think Nikon would have fixed some of this by now. I’m not sure I’d want to buy into a 50MP camera first go around from Sony. It is tempting though and I hope they do it. No doubt I’m game if the execution is good and the price is “reasonable.”
Maybe Sony sold them the crap sensor and held back the 50 for themselves. I’d be an awesome play if they did. It’s not like Nikon can come up with their own, they’re now fully dependent on Sony for 36mp and above sensors.
Who taught them poker.
A99II- 50MP’s, machine gun FPS, 3 million dot EVF with ZERO lag, pro body that’s freeze, fire and splash proof and dual back up card slots for the dual back up card slots. So hardcore that even chuck norris couldn’t handle it.
I don’t even want to know what the price is. I’m thinking 4K or more.
fire proof,…hhmmmm, seriously??
Heck yeah. You never know when you’ll be taking a picture of some marshmellows over a camp fire and BAM….you get attacked by a bear and camera goes down man. Even better for those “light yourself on fire” selfies- Gotta play it safe.
LOL, you care more for your alpha than omega 🙂
then you should wait for for A99 marsh II
I’d be pleased with an A-mount mirrorless A99II with 36MP FF sensor with OSPDAF and CDAF ( similar to A6000’s technology ), huge buffer, plus all bells & whistles of the A77II.
My dream A99II would be 24MP, huge buffer, 16 stops of dynamic range and 6400 clean ISO (I mean really really clean), advanced hybrid contrast/phase detect AF system and touch screen (finally) functionality. Not sure if the A99 allows base ISO at 50, but that would be appreciated. Fast wake up time and no lag in dials as well. I think I covered it- resolution is actually last place on my list but I’d take more.
Oh wait, time to move the ball forward with image stabilization. Come on sony, 5 axis would be nice.
What your talking about is called the A88, and that is launching before the A99II.
When?
Very soon, it’s supposed to launch prior to Photokina. It’s the camera I heard about on the 26th. It a A77II with a FF sensor.
Sold sold and sold. 1600 bucks is what I think it should be. Ok, maybe…maybe 1800 but wait? Didn’t they state the A99 would continue production after the A99II release. This would seem to conflict with an A88 rumor.
The A99 is being cleared, which is why you can buy it for $2149.99 in Canada.
Using the plastic/magnesium A77II body is one of he ways they’re getting the A88’s price down. The A99 body is very expensive to make.
I thought the body on the A99 was the same already as the A77- material wise. Looks like I have to go back and re-read on this. Hope your right, it would be a serious hot sell for Sony.
Wasn’t one of the main arguments for EVF’s to do with their money savings compared to FF prism finders lol .The only traditional expose unique to the A99 is due to its far lower sales numbers than Canon or Nikon models making it more difficult to amortize costs
Well you’ve made this claim at least twice now.
I will hold you to it. 😉
Hope what you said will come true. A lot of us waiting for this camera. But seems like Admin is not aware of this?
I’m pretty sure he is, and is just letting the info trickle out. He makes his dough from advertising, and spilling the beans in one shot isn’t gonna line his wallet.
I thought the a88 was coming out after the a99II which has been moved to Sony’s backburner. I hope you’re right. I have little interest in an a88 but Sony needs some movement on the a-mount FF front before a-mount owners rush the door in disgust. I just don’t see the logic in Sony retailing 2 SLT FFs with similar sensors. Who’d buy an a99 unless deeply discounted beyond where they’ve gone before?
They need at least three models, at three different price points, which will match the needs of those customers at those price points.
I hope so… I prefer to waste my precious cash on lenses and not bodies. A88 would give me what I want with the features I’d use.
Minus the touchscreen…
For those of us who need speed we’d prefer a FF version of the A77II PDAF system which is outstanding and compatible with all lenses
The A6000 speed is only capable with a handful of lenses.
50MP’s and a small choice of crappy lenses!!!!! LOL….you suckers!!!!
“Crappy lenses”- must be a Leica aficionado. You know, the guys who take their lenses out once a month, take a pic of their cat and put it back in its case.
Sensor envy, will it ever end?
no one gives a f*$% about a-mount… 🙂
There is more to a great camera than the sensor…there are plenty of companies that can make excellent sensor’s…but clearly Sony can’t make decent lenses…
It’s no good showing photo’s with lenses for about 5 different format’s…
Or are the all the different choices of 50mm lenses Sony uses will have soon?!!…thanks to Zeiss
someday whatever brand your using will make a great camera without a sensor for you,..
It’s funny, I’ve started researching a switchover to Nikon by picking up a D810 and my early disappointment is how mediocre (or less) the FX zoom lenses I’ve looked at are and most aren’t cheap either. So far can’t touch Sony’s. Though I’ve barely started looking at all this so maybe I’m hitting the Nikon lemons.
Sony probably has the best line up of FF zooms you can buy for its A-Mount.
I have the 16-35mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm, 70-300mm, and 70-400mm zooms. They are all outstanding. I can’t really think of a FF Sony Zoom lens I’ve used I didn’t like.
They don’t seem to fill their FF lens catalog with junk lenses.
lol , yes the 90% of pro shooters who use them, just struggle buy with all that inferior Canon and Nikon glass. Seriously do you guys ever actually take a photo. The Nikon 14-24mm is the best UWA zoom ever made by anybody , when compared on similar mp bodies the 24-70mm lenses { Canon, Nikon & Sony} are in real life use all great performers. Same story with the 70-200mm F2.8 options.
It is ludicrous for Sony users with maybe 3-4% of worlds pro photographers using their gear to claim that either Nikon or Canon don’t measure up. As for price here in the UK and EU Sony A mount lenses are more expensive across the board . The Nikon trio of 14-24,24-70 and 70-200mm comes in £900 cheaper than the Sony trio 16-35,24-70 and 70-200. Then there is the off brand choice every lens released will come in Nikon or Canon mount the wait for A mount support can be long time coming.
If you actually read what I said instead of immediately having a diarrhea attack upon seeing Nikon criticism then doing a complete diaper dump you’d see I said I’ve barely just started examining Nikon’s system. Obviously, I’m no Sony fanboy reflexively trashing Nikon since I’m looking at a switch-over (thought seriously doubting this strategy now).
The specific zooms I’m speaking of are the AF-S NIKKOR 16-35mm f/4G ED VR and the AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED. In this range I wouldn’t go Nikon. Period. As an aside, I also looked at a AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-300mm f/3.5-6.3G ED VR DX (not interested, just bumped into a review) but, naturally, you expect a super-zoom like that to be rubbish.
Sure, I would hope a company as storied and popular in professional photography would have some great zooms. I also glanced at a couple of Nikon wide primes which looked solid in DxO benchmarks but I need to do more research on.
Pathetic, Are just a Nikon fanboy that harasses SAR. Maybe you should STFU, and go away.
Sony is at 7-11% troll so check your facts before you start spewing utter BS.
In North America Sony’s 16-35mm, 24-70mm, and 70-200mm are cheaper to own, and unlike the Nikon products, ALL of them are fully stabilized.
In low light performance the Zeiss 16-35, and 24-70 lenses easily outperform Nikon’s equivalent. Plus Sony’s setup uses all 77 mm filters. Nikon’s unprotected 14-24mm is easily damaged.
Plus with Nikon you still have to pay an additional $1700.00 for the privilege of using a camera equipped with a Sony sensor, and no EVF.
Overall a A99, 16-35mm, 24-70mm, 70-200mm is cheaper to own than Nikon’s equivalents. Plus with the extra $1700.00 you save you can buy an additional Zeiss Lens like the 24 mm, 50 mm, 85 mm, or 135 mm all of which are vastly superior to their Nikon counterparts.
One possibility is for Sony to release new a high end 54mp flagship A mount camera first…and then release the 36mp a99II a little later.
This would actually be a smart strategy because those wanting Sony’s best would not be unpleasantly surprsed by buying the fflagship A99II only to see it surpassed almost immeadiatly by the 54mp flagship.
Those still wanting the 36mp camera can still get one a little later if they choose without being tricked into buying it without the knowledge that a higher res camera was immenent.
I’d be a solid play. 24mp A88, 36mp A99II, and the Alpha One.
When the rumors first came out a couple of years ago this was going to be
54mp 3 layers
Mirrorless
A E hybrid mount
5 axis ibis
Z shift
I wonder how much of that is still likely or if this will be like an A99 version?
Andrea has said the a99II is going to be 36mp. A rumor that’s a “couple of years” old would be rather meaningless at this point. Heck, SAR rumors don’t often maintain consistency or accuracy for a month!
I got pretty worked up over yesterday’s a99II rumor. I need to quit that because it’s probably not true other than the obvious fact the a99II will get no Sony love at Photokina and likely has been delayed or back-burnered (recall the supporting rumor of the a99’s shelf life being extended).
Wishfull thinking..and likely to not be true…but…
Perhaps Sony has been working on something like this for a very long time, and has now delayed the A99II so it can be anounced first.
Then the A99II can be anounced a little later.
Well the full frame version of the A79 PDAF (used in the A77II) is probably the reason for the delay, and the Sony is still clearing current A99 stock.
WOWW what an amazing spec there..
Well unfortunately it didn’t pan out. Design and production of the multilayer sensor was cost prohibitive for Sony, and the entire effort was canned/binned.
The 50mp is CMOS, nearly didn’t come to fruition because of its complexity/heat issues. Which is why it doesn’t have on-board PDAF.
The A99II is a straight-up no frills upgrade.
I doubt this rumor but, if true, most likely the FE body that popped up in recent Photokina rumors will get it. I still think new tech goes to e-mounts first. I’m prepping for more irony that Nikon gets it 1st when Sony transfers it to DSLRs while Sony SLT FFs limp on with yesteryear technology.
The really smart thing for Sony to do…..and Sony is not well known for smart marketing moves like this…is to introduce BOTH an A mount and E mount camera with the high res sensor.
Sony can then see which system consumers choose when given an equal choice rather than stacking the deck by only putting the latest technology in E mount.
This would also help somy with an unbiased comparison on which to base futere marketting strategy.
And all it has to do is build and man 2 production lines that are competing for the same market.
Or at least give the a-mount version a bit of a lead before handing it to Nikon.
How much disappointmen can an A mount fan take? Can you Barry still be the caracter we all love to listen to IF this will en up as A7x or RX2x.
Not everone loves to listen to me.
i’m not surprised. it’s a sony: new camera each month and new lens each 10 years.
Would you like some cheese with that wine?
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¿Quieres un poco de queso con ese vino?
like it or leave it
Probably nothing in the A7 body shape. Since they make some medium format sensors – medium format camera? which means that it can not be A or E mount.
A99mk2 is a no brainer – but this isnt it.
Why not A-mount? They achieved to put FF SLT mirror into LAEA4, so they can put MF SLT mirror into A-mount body… you will get A-mount MF body that works in crop mode with existing lenses, and maybe with some new MF lenses as well.
thanks to EVF (SLT or mirrorless) A-mount could be “medium format NEX”
Not a-mount because the a-mount lenses have an image circle for ff not mf. It’s like using an aps-c lens on a ff. All vignette all the time.
Maybe it is true…If Sony launches this new cam, and Nikon launches the D750 and Canon launches the 7D2, then Samsung’s NX1 announcement will not mount to much…
50MP shud be medium format.
this should definitely better be the A99 Mark II
Nothing makes you care less about megapixels than using an A7s and loving every minute of it.
this is gonna be 50MP H5D cheap version.
Isn’t that the Pentax 645z?
I am hoping it will not be a a99 mark2 as I am planning to buy one and don’t want to spend more than 3 grand.
another camera? where is the FE 16-35 F4?
intriguing. I do have one hope though, and that this new 50+mp sensor will be MF sized and not current 135 sized meaning smaller denser pixels. 32mp is enough resolution for me, I want tonality and deeper richer colours and dynamic range
then all you need is MF and a decent lens, lets hope sony leaping towards for it
Hopefully a medium format rangefinder ala Fuji GS645. I have a bad feeling that this thing won’t be cheap or compact however.
If we can be certain about anything, it’s that it won’t be cheap. Not a chance.
Nope. Probably just a Sony Sensor inside a Nikon body. Nikon D900 Anybody? lol.
Sorry, I had to laugh at the reality of that one…
YESSS!! im hoping Medium format mirrorless too,…
sony surprise us every year, great
im hoping it would be RX model, as they dont srew up FE ecosystem,
RX are good prototype format ready to eat, embedded with spyware, sony knows how market reacted
Id rather higher res ff than med format…mf would be terrible for wildlife.
Anyone remember this ugly thing awhile back? Could the supposedly larger 50MP A99II look like this?
at least its medium format mount proof
If they are doing a large body SLT, it would pretty much look like that minus the F5 mount, additional shoe and sensor marker.
Now if they are going to the lengths of designing and manufacturing such a body they might just end up releasing a video-specialized version (as seen above) a la the Canon 1d-x to 1d-C.
That would compliment the a7s nicely, which could be marketed as a b-roll / back-up body to the higher priced a99 cinema version.
I think it kind of resembles the Leica S2. That would be a nice body for medium format. Seems feasible that Sony would once again put their other formats on the back burner in order to be first to market and dare to be different–filling voids that Canon and Nikon don’t (would they be the 1st modern camera company with active aps-c, full frame, and medium format lineups?).
Which would trigger yet another lens mount.
Seems like a very Sony thing to do to be honest.
Once never knows, they could release an S2 style MF body but the photo above is definitely their video-centric body with a 35mm-sized sensor. It was displayed at NAB 2013.
Is that an antenna sticking up on the side? Too funny.
It totally looks like an antenna but it is Sony’s marker for the sensor plane (for measuring focus). Cameras typically have a phi symbol where the film / sensor plane is. Perhaps the antenna is to make it easy to hook a measuring tape to.
Yes, antenna. Sony came up with QX models and in place of this one. In the QX, there is no visible antenna.
That’s the Alpha-One prototype, and it’s final design is A-Mount. If there is a working 50mp,sensor that is the only body capable of housing it.
This should be a video camera, the sensor plane marker tells everything. Video Camera will not be a high resolution camera.
Last time I checked, that prototype was cancelled in favour of the a7 series…or at least that’s what some Sony rep said when they announced the a7S. Forgot where I saw that video, it was in an interview.
its hard to find brand new A99 in my country
but its unbelievable they still selling BNIB D90
sonys lifecycle are too short
i hope it’s a new large format 4×5 with digital sensor of 500MP
Yes I hear NASA is working on the lens for it in the iss
Does it have IBIS so I can handhold? ;^)
Admin… Why are you deleting my links (three times now) to concept a900 camera here?:
http://www.tecnofotografia.com/2010/05/prototipo-reflex-con-nueva-ergonomia.html
Sony plans to make thier new sensors available to other manufacturers so we could possibly also see a new 54mp Nikon.
This is just speculation on my part…not based on any rumors I have heard.
Common sense is more reliable than a rumor in this case. I’m afraid you’re right.
Simple answer would be Sony using their MF sensor in a mirrorless body with a fixed Zoom (55-110)
I doubt it more likely a 55mm lens which would be a slight w/a
Ah yeah…So as mentioned above….55-110 (standard MF zoom lens range) Gives you equivalent 35 – 70mm (35mm)
Probably RX style MF. Not bad if true because fixed lens will keep the size down.
If this silly rumor pans out to be a MF ILC I wouldn’t get too excited unless we see some lens announcements to with it. Or will it share a Hassy mount? ;^)
36mp sensor and a 14mp phone sized sensor at the back to make selfies.
Tada 50mp camera
Lol.
Only two a850’s, and two a900’s available used on ebay right now.
24 auction a7 series used…
8 auction a99’s used…
Should be clear which ones folks really want, and which ones they’re dumping fast.
Please don’t hate the truth.
Only a true idiot would part with an A850 or A900.
Please think about what you said. May I remind you that there are people in this world with varying levels of eye sight. Some people can’t manually focus an ovf camera. Enter focus peaking. That changed everything for me. So when I bought an a99 I could manually focus again. I sold my a850. I need the evf. I am grateful for the technology. Would you consider giving an apology? Labels and gross generalizations are flawed and unkind.
Truly there are some benefits to EVF, just like there are benefits to a large clear OVF. No one wants to deny you the EVF. I use both myself.
But there is no reason Sony needed to MURDER the Alpha system for EVF. Less battery life. Destroyed the flash system on many levels, including vast 3rd party support. Slower everything. Reduced processing power. Loss of functionality with magnified playback always going to center, rather than chosen AF point. Preference to viditogs rather than still togs… And giving best sensor to Alpha competition while denying their own users?
No need for all that just to have EVF.
Well said. I own OVF and EVF cameras and mostly use the OVF camera. The main EVF advantage is setting focus point all over the finder, what does not make up for the comfort of an OVF. The EVFs are better on paper only, make cameras a bit smaller but eat battery at about 5x. My EVF camera was ‘learning money’ spent from GAS to appreciate the OVF even more. If OVFs improve a bit only, EVFs will be redundant.
live histogram, live dof preview, focus peaking, brighter in low light…
if you dont make use of the features then im not surprised that you are not able to appreciate them…
The problem isn’t E-mount vs A-mount. Personally, I prefer the E-mount, since its much-shorter flange distance lets me mount any lens from Leica, Sony, Canon, Nikon, Zeiss or almost anyone else in front of it.
The problem is fully-functional, normal-sized cameras vs minimalist cameras that have sacrificed everything – battery life, processing power, etc. – just for smaller size.
A full-function, A900-sized camera with top-level AF, dual cards, long battery life and full weather-sealing, with an E-mount and EVF, would be perfect. Lucky I mostly shoot landscapes and can get away with the A7r most of the time.
I appreciate the features. No doubt. But they come at the cost of functionality and reliability. Pros seek the latter, because technique outweighs features every time.
Optical viewfinders are a remnant of the film era and only exist on digital cameras for that reason.
Mirrors are also a remnant of film and only exist on digital cameras for that reason.
If digital had been desighned from the start niether would exist.
I apologize for my generalization, but anyone that owns a A850 or A900, and doesn’t have a medical condition which precludes them from using it effectively shouldn’t sell it.
if you care about pure image quality the a850/a900 loses against the a7/a7r…
That certainly shold prove something…
Despite totally stacking the deck against A mount by putting all the latest greatest sensors in E mount…while only offerring old 24mp sensors to A mount….people still preffer A mount.
E mount cant beat A mount even with all the aces and face cards reserved exclusively for E mount…..when will Sony get over it and start supporting A mount.
Sony ….most a mount users will not be forced to switch to E mount…you. may however succeed in forcing them to switch to Canon or Nikon.
Maybe a tiny bit, if you can stabilize the a7r camera. Lot’s of luck with that one. Even on tripod, the thing has shutter vibrations between 1/60th and 1/160th ss.
a900 shoots with incredible stabilization and has saved many shots that the a7r completely buzzed.
Yes good paper weights are hard to come by…
Those paperweights earn me well over six figures each year. The new toys embarrass me in front of clients.
Gee whiz thanks for the income update?!?….Well if you get embarrassed in front of clients that probably has very little to do with what camera you are holding…My experience has been that clients care about image quality above anything…The older Sony files are no longer up to the task compared to their new sensors…Fine if you don’t shoot over 400 iso.
Gav, commercial clients care more about efficiency than image quality. They know that any decent camera since the 6mp Canon 10d can handle a full page magazine spread with no problem. The embarrassment comes when the flash won’t sync or the tethering shuts down. Doesn’t happen with a900. Happens all the time with a7r. No shortage of wedding togs out there complaining about overheating F60’s or adapters that cause F58’s to fall off. The adapter prevents softbox mounting. The adapter prevents bracket mounting. No native off camera cables… so just adapt everything and keep fingers crossed.
I don’t worry at all now. Old Alpha works every time. Stopped the make.believe that new Sony works as advertised. It doesn’t. Not for me anyway. I’m glad it works for you though.
It is a shame that you feel that you can only offer clients efficiency when you could offer them both…There are no sync or tether issues..What are you using??…Any half descent radio slave works fine…Tethering through the Sony software into Capture One is a breeze..So not sure what you’re up to??…..I avoid on camera flash like the plague…
Heh… Gav… The a900 offers BOTH efficiency AND perfect IQ. It’s a shame you don’t understand that… LOL.
Look bro, don’t tell me there aren’t issues with tethering or sync. a7r shuts down tethering when vertical battery grip changes over to battery #2. Try it. I’m not making this up. Worse, it does it when battery #1 is a 30%. Computer MB Pro Retina. Sony capture software is the culprit. So many low battery warnings that you can’t use the software until changing out bat #1. It’s ridiculous.
a7r fires smart HSS flash at full power regardless of setting, when using Phottix Odin transmitter with dumb lens adapter. You may keep your dumb slave. I use HSS for years. Not with a7r. Smart LAEA-4 lens adapter causes Phottix Odin to miss sync altogether. It flashes, but every frame is black. Sync don’t sync man.
Sony broke it.
“So many low battery warnings that you can’t use the software until changing out bat #1. It’s ridiculous.”…Haven’t found this to be the case in my experience…But may indeed be valid for your camera.
“a7r fires smart HSS flash at full power regardless of setting”…Sooo basically it just comes down to you being angry at Sony because a third party Flash sync won’t HSS with your camera…So instead of contacting Phottix regarding what is essentially their issue…You get angry at Sony…Yes I see the logic in that?!?
And if you avoid on camera flash “like the plague”, then why are you complaining when those who do relate their problems with it? These are your fellow Sony users having problems because Sony kit doesn’t operate as advertised. Why does it bother you if I complain about lacking performance that you don’t use?
Rather narcissistic of you Gav.
lol rather narcissistic of YOU to think that your problems affect all a7/a7r owners!? there are many people that are very happy with these cameras.
Yes many are happy.
Until they need certain features (see below) that don’t work as advertised. Why does it bother you when I point out bugs in the system? See below and tell me what I’m supposed to be happy about?
If you actually read the post it is blatantly obvious that I have not spoken at all about on camera flash issues…As you have quoted me so eloquently…I don’t use on camera flash…So not sure where these Narcissistic tendencies are that you speak of?? Perhaps consult a dictionary…
BS complete load of manure.
your clients are not very bright and you are a show-off photographer.
You may call names and insult all you want. But that doesn’t fix the broken Sony cameras. It doesn’t address professional concerns.
that really a small number for those camera, i though it would be higher in number.
It’s a much higher number if you count the new a99 and a7 series available. I was trying to be fair and only count the used ones for auction.
Didn’t even count the used Buy It Now a99’s and a7 series.
your logic just doesnt work and you are too dump to notice it.
Heh… it’s not logic. It’s reality. Just go check yourself.
Or continue hating truth.
Your choice.
i dont hate the truth because im able to understand it unlike you. a7 is a full frame camera build for the masses. ‘full frame’ has never been so affordable before. many people buy it and many sell it. too small? too expensive lenses? too complicated? just pick a reason. the average customer ist not very bright! a850 and a900 were both build for and sold to a much smaller target group.
This must be the last gasp for the A system rumours, its been going on for years and Sony knows that the waiting game is over. Every gripe has been covered and the wait has been far too long for a significant new gen hi res A mount platform that exemplifies Sonys dominance of the DSLR market, the big flagship. The A99 is an old camera and even though for amateurs the 24 mpxl limit is not significant, for the semi / pro market it is. The A900 was the leading full frame camera in its day, it blew the opposition away, a great benchmark camera, rather than progress the A system and maintain dominance (respect, fear, whatever) Sony gave its best sensor to Nikon and let the A mount drift into relative obscurity. Professionals know Sony makes great phones and other digital devices but ask about Sony cameras and they think of handy cameras like the RX100s, Sony isn’t a player in the Pro market. As has been said before here, a Pro would have to be pretty stupid to invest in a Sony system at this time as Sony hasn’t been a player for years and doesn’t look like it will be again. The A99 was an interim camera, had some upgrades that had been on Can / NIkons etc for a long time, it was a catch-up camera and had its butt kicked very quickly by the dominant D800. If Sony doesn’t come thru on a credible A99 replacement, forget it, why purchase all these new A mount lenses, where’s the sense in that? and why bother investing in the only camera available to mount them on – the obsolete A99?
Hard to call a99 obsolete. Easy to call it crippled.
Ditto for a7 series.
Sony A900 released 2007
Nikon D800 released 2012
Sony A99 released later in 2012
Given the design time needed obviously Nikon had the new Sony sensor way before 2012. And obviously at the same time Sony designed the new A99 to not have the same 36mpxl sensor, giving it the inferior 24 mpxl sensor – you’ve got to ask why? Why would Sony decide to cede the absolute dominance and prestige the 36mpxl sensor would have given it in the market – and why give this advantage to its direct competitor Nikon?
Because a A990 equipped with Live View and a 36mp sensor would have made the A99 look pathetic.
Because Nikon is also one of their biggest customer. Think about it, had Sony introduced D800 instead of Nikon, reception would had been different(especially Nikonians who think 12mp is more than enough). People will buy Canon Mk 3 instead. Bad for Nikon, bad for Sony (sensor supplier).
Yes, the sensor is the most important component of photography now. Sony is in the process of becoming the new Kodak.
How much insult should A mount users have to bear.
First Sony’s best 36mp sensor was given exlusively to Nikon and witheld from sony cameras.
When finaly available it was only put on E mount.
Sony thinks E mount is such an in demand system because they are totally biasing the results by offerring the latest sensor tech to E mount while nothing more than 24mp to A mount.
Give consumers a level choice..offer the same latest tech sensors to both A and E mountat the same time.
Instead some Sony coward wants to prove how popular E mount is but doesn’t have the guts to let consumers have a fair choice.
Now…2 years after it came out…A mount users still dont have 36mp while E mount has both 36mp and a half million iso sensor…
To add more insult talk is about putting the new 50mp sensor on an E mount camera first…and A mount users are still waiting for the last two generations of sensor tech.
Now Sony will be comparing sales of 3 genration old A mount cameras to modern state of the art E mount cameras and using those sales to try to prove the FALSE FACT that consumers now preffer E mount to A mount.
We’ve waited long enough…give A mount the high mp sensor first…or at least at the same time.
Let the consumer decide which system they want instead of ramming a highly distastefull inadequite system down our throats that we dont want.
Sony is telling us that we can have the best, most modern , state of the art cameras….but only if we give up everything good…IBIS, our lens collection,….,and buy all new lenses forca piece of crap system only suited for snapshots…with only the common consumer focal lengths …wa, normal, portrait…available
Of course we can use our non native E mount lense in the pitifull crippled mode….adaptors and no IBIS or fast focus.
We are the cosumers that made Sony cameras…and Minolta cameras..possible.
Why is Sony treating us like this?
Or maybe they have put so much into the a7 series because it has been very successful. In fact the impression I have received is that they have been very surprised with its success, hence a lot of their attention this year has gone into the a7 series.
Yes I agree with you that they seem to have put the a-mount on the back burner, but hopefully now they will start to focus more on that.
Here’s to wishful thinking.
But if you are that annoyed with them move on to another brand. I agree with some of the things your saying but constantly coming here to complain? All that does is increase your blood pressure & waste time. Move to another brand if Sony is annoying you that much.
That’s a good idea, now if Sony would only offer to repurchace the A mount lenses we’ve invested our dough in (thinking the A system had a future), that will allow us to move on and the whining might diminish accordingly. Listening Sony?
We dont want E mount because we think the the system is a piece of crap.
Instead of arguing ..LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD AND SEE WHICH SYSTEM CONSUMERS REALLY WANT
Some will go for each but sony will definitely make more money on A mount.
I do not speak for all A mount users but believe I do speak for those of us that do think E mount is a piece of crap and do want an A mount system that is not being deliberately crippled for the sake of boosting E mount sales.
I’m very amused by the new un-elected mouthpiece of “real photographers”
The a7 has almost become a loss leader for Sony. They’re putting it on fire sales left and right. Obviously, I don’t have insider marketing data on the a7 but when you look how Sony prices photo products then look at the crazy low price the a7 has sunk to the margins must be razor thin. Which indicates to me Sony has become desperate to increase FE market share. If you look at the axxx range they’re pretty aggressive on pricing. The exception is the a5100 which I expect will follow the path of the a5000 which was announced high and saw a permanent $100 price cut during pre-orders.
Meanwhile, if you look at the high prices on Sony lenses and a-mount bodies (a58 aside) it’s clear they’re pulling in a higher margin. If Sony were as aggressive in pushing the a-mount price-wise and product announcement-wise as they are E/FEs they’d make a decent return on their investment. Sony needs to round out/refresh a-mount lenses just as badly as it needs E/FE lenses (plus, both systems need serious refreshes in flashes). Sony also needs to offer professional support akin to what Canikon does. If Sony did this they’d hardly take over the world in DSLRs but they would expand market share and see profits rise.
So successfull?
Are you actually foolish enough to believe that real photographers preffer E mount to A mount….then you should probably join the fools on the Sony management team.
You have all the letest tech in the E mount while A mount gets third generation hand me down sensors and hardly any new cameras….all so fools like you can falsely believe that people preffer E mount to A mount.
If Sony believes that crap then let them put thier money where thier mouth is.
Introduce the same level of technology to both systems at the same time and let the consumer have a say in the matter.
Despite a totally stacked deck against A mount and for E mount…A mount STILL makes more money for sony than E mount…what would happen on a level playing field?
HE WON’T HE IS HERE TO ANNOY US ALL
The problem is Canikon were founded and still are focused on imagining. Sony was founded as a consumer electronic company in recording devices and radios. It’s more well known for Walkmans in the ’80s and Playstations in the ’90s and cellphones today. I’ve said it before. I work (in IT) with a lot of photo gearheads (some do weddings/events on the side). All shoot Canon with the exception of 2 who own Nikons. When I mentioned my Sony DSLR they had no idea. Seriously. Another co-worker owns 2 old Minolta SLRs and some lenses. He had no idea Sony made DSLRs and that they were compatible with Sonys. I tested his lenses for him.
Sony marketing doesn’t get photography. Period. They are as clueless as the Keystone Cops. The most incompetent set of fools in the history of the photography business. Watching them botch CES (with regards to their photography presentation; I get the show is broader than imaging) and Photokina by following exactly the same strategy at Photokina. Release consumer-grade crap (QX, selfie camera, 5xxxx) that nobody is paying any attention to. Watching their top execs do their presentations at CES was absolutely painful as the clowns are your typical gadget nerds mostly pimping silly junk that has no chance of grabbing consumer mindshare.
Canikon gets photographers because it’s been a core business for so long. Looking at how Sony has crippled the a99 while giving Nikon a 2-generation lead with the DSLR version of their best-of-breed 36mp sensor it’s obvious selling sensors is more important than cameras to Sony. So Sony doesn’t have a long attention span with systems. It’s neglecting a-mounts, consolidating e-mount APS-C bodies while E lenses flounder, and going through an FE hog wild spurt (which we all know won’t last – they’re already running fire sales on the a7).
Insult? I think you are abusing the word a bit, Barry. The whining is getting old.
If more people bought A mount stuff, they would make more things. It isn’t like when the A99 came out, it was a massive hit that made a dent in the market. It barely made a ripple. It was a pretty revolutionary camera. Didn’t matter.
So, what now? They put out yet another great camera that relatively few people will buy, and not gain any share in the DSLR market?
Meanwhile, Canon users waited significantly longer from 5D2 to 5D3 and got no more than a modest upgrade… and it was a great success. And for the most part, the Canon people weren’t moaning and having tantrums.
There is not much of a winning proposition in the A mount. They can release a 56MP, 15FPS, 50image buffer monster and it wouldn’t matter.
You play to win. Unfortunately what you want doesn’t represent a winning proposition for Sony.
Of course no one bought the A99…they stuck an old obsolete 24mp sensor in it long after Nikon was already selling the 36mp sensor….they deliberately cripled the system so people would buy the nex.
The only way to settle this ongoing debate is to offer the same level of technology at the same time to both systems..people in this field want the latest technolgy.
You argue…as apparently do sony execs….that because people are not buying the crippled obsolete camera in a mount that people do not want A mount…that argument is totally biased and flawed…and unfortunately seems to be the one Sony execs are using to justify thier actions.
When Sony actually offered a 36mp sensor at the same time as a 24 mp sensor in the a7/r bodies the 36mp sensor sold better.
Sony sabotaged a99 sales by giving thier better sensor to Nikon…thats why people didn’t buy the a99.
Agian I say offer the 50mp sensor in both A and E systems at the same time so consumers can settle this argumrnt with thier money instead of us trying to settle it with our words.
They didn’t just give the best sensor to Nikon.
They also gave it to MY competitors.
MY OWN BRAND GAVE MY COMPETITION THE ADVANTAGE!!!…
Betrayal of their most loyal users.
We used to hang traitors.
AND THEN THEY KILLED MY FLASH SYSTEM AND CRIPPLED PERFORMANCE AND BATTERY LIFE.
What am I supposed to be happy about here?
Carry a spare battery in your purse.
You’re completely missing the point. The sensor is not the reason the A mount didn’t succeed. The frames per second or AF system are not the reasons.
I would be very willing to win another bet that even if Sony met whatever absurd list of demands you personally have – every single one of them (even if it would take a Mars-mission type budget to achieve) – that they would not make significant headway vs. Canon and Nikon in the SLR-style segment.
You’re very mistakenly thinking that the sensor in the A7 made it interesting and the specs of the A99 made the A mount a “failure”
Calling the A99 a “crippled, obsolete” camera at launch to try and support your argument is no more than high-school level dramatics.
Canon has’t released a decently upgraded pro APS-C camera since 2009 – and they still DOMINATE. What? Sony needs to give you some revolution every 24 months or they are intentionally losing the game?
Take off the tinfoil hat for a moment and get some sun.
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Earl’s observations are relevant.
Csnon and Nikon have the best systms out there and if thier cameras fall a little short users overlook it.
Sony has to produce the best and sell it for less in order to compete because thier system is not as good.
They “sabotaged” it just because they didn’t make the camera you would’ve preferred? There are plenty of photographers who preferred it with that sensor. Just look at the hype around the new Nikon FF coming with that “inferior” 24 MP sensor.
Sony had to hit a price bracket and a certain level of performance and they made the call to make only one FF body with a 24 MP sensor and reasonable FPS. If anything, you should be excited that the A7 series was split, because it shows Sony can release multiple bodies that are target different preferences.
Also, since you claim to be such a tech guy, your answer to “why they release so many E mount cameras” is obvious if you look at any tear down of the mirrorless cameras. They are incredibly simple and cheap to make compared to a DSLR.
The A99 is an excellent camera.
Barry, Sony is about to launch a 36mp 12fps FF SLT, and you continue to whine like a school girl.
The A99’s lack of a 36mp was a bad move, but I own it and have used both the D800, and 5D MKIII extensively. The A99 with all its faults is still the better camera.
If you actually owned a A99 you wouldn’t be whining.
I would not buy a 24mp a99 with no more resolution than the a77 that came out before it.
Plus the C size sensor has distinct advatages for long telephoto and macro where depth of field is important.
That being said a 54 mp ff sensor…that Sony is rumored to have…would match the pixel density of the A77II and therefore have all the advantsges of the higher res small sensor and the advantages of a ff.
36mp is years old already and does not have sufficient resolution to mach the current C sensors.I would not purchase a 36mp a99II because it is alresdy outdated before it is even built just like the old A99 that was also obsolete before it ever produced.
As I said Sony puts obsolete out of date sensors on their newest A mount cameras…rether than the latest state of the art sensor….and then when they sell poorly think its because people dont want A mount.
I will definitely buy a 54mp A mount camera…I will not buy an old obsolete two year old 36 mp ff A mount camera for the same reason I would never buy an old obsolete 24mp ff a99.
If Sony puts the 54mp sensor on an E mount then A mount will be even more obsolete before it comes out.
There is nothing obsolete about an A99. I think your expectations are unrealistic, and your understanding of the technology is apparently limited. The A99’s IQ is far superior to the A77II, in fact any Sony FF has better image quality than the semi-pro A77 series cameras.
What your asking for is straight out of science fiction, and something no vendor currently produces.
The A99 sensor wasn’t old or obsolete when it came out two years ago, in fact it was brand new, and optimized for Sony’s first full frame SLT. So your comments to the contrare are just inacurate banter.
Maybe you should read some A99 reviews before you shoot your mouth off. Have you ever operated one or any full frame Alpha (I didn’t think so).
Plus I doubt you’ll be able to pony up the cash for any of Sony’s new Full Frames.
Maybe you should switch to another platform.
Your claim that the a99 is better than the a77 and a77II may be true for snapshooting and easy many typical undemanding stuff..
But when it comes to macro and extreme long lenses depth of field and size/ wieght/availability of equipment become major factors..all of which give the smaller format a77II distinct advantages over the larger format lower resolution a99.
So although for your application your claim may or may not be true…for my applications it most definitely is not true.
What are you talking about?
I have both, and I wouldn’t ever go as far as comparing the noisy A77II sensor to any Sony full frame camera.
The macro, telephoto has been overused, and is boring. My A850 with the 100 mm macro produces much sharper photos with better IQ than my A77II with the 50 mm macro.
Plus my 600 mm f/4 Minolta with either the A850, or A99 simply outclasses, all A77II lens and body combinations period.
You are speaking out of sheer ignorance.
54mp ff would approximately match the pixel density of the 24mp a77II and eliminate any advantage for the crop sensor.
Even without a technological advance the resolution of a ff sensor can easily be increased signicantly…well over 100mp simply by switching from Exmor to Exmor R which is back illuminated.
So there is no question that Sony can easily achieve higher resolution.
The new diffraction reduction technolgy pressent in the A77II seems to be improving the performance of existing lenses..especially when stopped down to f8 or greater.
You won’t be able to afford either. Premiere cameras cost big dollars because of the electonic componets inside of them are very expensive to produce. The A99 doesn’t have the horse power or IQ of a D810 because Sony would have to incorporate more expensive electronic componets into its design.
Its price would have been $1000.00 more at launch, which would have been $3799.99. I doubt you could afford a full spec’d out Sony FF if they had produced one.
ROTFL………….
That’s why he’s whining like a school girl. He was hoping that the $2299.99 A99 was going to feature the same sensor as the $3499.99 Nikon camera.
The 36mp A99II will cost at least $3199.99 USD. If you think he’s whining is bad now wait until finds out its retail price.
Are you dense? The A99 outsold the A850/A900 within days of its release.
The A99 is a highly successful FF camera, and your pathetic attempts to disparage it make you look utterly pathetic.
Why don’t you just go away. I think most of us would rejoice if you just switched to Nikon, and left SAR permanently.
Of course you’d have to come up with the $3799.99 to buy the body, and $8000.00 just to buy the most commonly used professional lenses, which is probably well outside your A77 class economy budget.
It’s probably the product of a wasted youth earning an MBA but I look at Sony’s marketing of a-mounts (and ILCs in general) as study in marketing incompetence worthy of inclusion in Harvard’s classic case study book that was core to my curriculum (and most other graduate business students).
Anecdotal but a guy I work with (in IT) just bought a Canon 5D3 to break into wedding photography on the side. It was his first DSLR ever and he doesn’t know that much about cameras. He didn’t do much research. Just talked to all the other photo IT nerds I work with many of which shoot stuff for $$$ on the side who all use Canons. Maybe it’s because I live in a mid-size American metro area (~700,000 population) but it’s been years since I’ve seen an SLT on a retail shelf. The only Es are consumer-grade a3xxxs or a5xxxs and they are rare. Sony as a serious ILC company has popular mindshare issues.
So you can start with Sony dumping the Minolta brand when they bought their camera business and move forward to see how they’ve completely crapped away DSLRs and turned themselves mostly into a consumer-grade compact maker for people wanting an upgrade from cellphone cameras. I know a lot of Sony fanboys think their new exclusive FF FE range will take over the professional market but the a7 is already being nearly loss-leadered to keep up market share. And I don’t see Sony getting serious in FE system support other than limited pro use cases.
A long-winded way of saying Sony’s ILC problem is a lot bigger than simply killing off the a-mount conventional wisdom. They can’t get their act together and keep repeating the same mistakes on everything.
‘a guy I work with (in IT) just bought a Canon 5D3’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR7Kjeq2aH4&list=UUDkJEEIifDzR_2K2p9tnwYQ
maybe he will sell it after watching this 😀
Boss
“If more people bought A mount stuff, they would make more things.”
We did. And they did. But who expected crippled functionality?
Boss
“Canon users waited significantly longer from 5D2 to 5D3 and got no more than a modest upgrade… and it was a great success.”
Canon didn’t kill their flash system. They improved it with all the yearnings Alpha users have begged for. We actually had a better system with iISO and Odin. Sony even killed our workaround.
Canon didn’t abandon proven mechanisms and force users into the hole of take it or leave.
Canon didn’t call less battery, and less processing power an advancement.
Sony could NEVER EVER have entered the DSLR market had it not been for the massive Minolta Alpha user base. Now they betray those who lifted them.
And with a smile, we hand them the knife to stab us with. Some, ironically thanking them for the wound. It’s like a corporate stockholm syndrome.
This must be the last gasp for the A system rumours, its been going on for years and Sony knows that the waiting game is over. Every gripe has been covered and the wait has been far too long for a significant new gen hi res A mount platform that exemplifies Sonys dominance of the DSLR market, the big flagship. The A99 is an old camera and even though for amateurs the 24 mpxl limit is not significant, for the semi / pro market it is. The A900 was the leading full frame camera in its day, it blew the opposition away, a great benchmark camera, rather than progress the A system and maintain dominance (respect, fear, whatever) Sony gave its best sensor to Nikon and let the A mount drift into relative obscurity. Professionals know Sony makes great phones and other digital devices but ask about Sony cameras and they think of handy cameras like the RX100s, Sony isn’t a player in the Pro market. As has been said before here, a Pro would have to be pretty stupid to invest in a Sony system at this time as Sony hasn’t been a player for years and doesn’t look like it will be again. The A99 was an interim camera, had some upgrades that had been on Can / NIkons etc for a long time, it was a catch-up camera and had its ass kicked very quickly by the dominant D800. If Sony doesn’t come thru on a credible A99 replacement, forget it, why purchase all these new A mount lenses, where’s the sense in that? and why bother investing in the only camera available to mount them on – the obsolete A99?
Satisfy the Professional User first. Stabilize reputation in the right circles of influence.
Everything after that is easy trickle down marketing that will save millions of dollars in advertising lies. The Pros talk. The Enthusiasts and Photo Sales Peeps pass it on. It’s the same easy formula that CaNikon uses to seduce the mass market. They use CaNikon because they see the Pros using them. Pretty simple math really.
But Sony doesn’t answer to consumers. They only answer to board of investor returns.
Please explain how the “board of investors” see a return if consumers don’t like your product? I really would love to hear this.
I don’t think I would want you teaching kids ‘simple math’
When did I say or suggest such a thing Leica Boss? How did you contrive what I said into what you suggest?
What don’t you understand about my advice?
Pros incite enthusiasm for a brand. Consumers buy into that. Investors see a return. 1+1= profit.
That’s an just a gross oversimplification. First – the word “pro” is ambiguous at best. The premise that the only way to succeed in the market is to beat CaNikon at their own game (trickle down marketing) is deeply flawed. The assertion that this is an “easy” formula is plain wrong. It ignores the $hundreds of millions spent on direct consumer marketing that don’t follow that formula (anyone remember the Andre Agassi Rebel commercials?)
And then you clearly imply that Sony “doesn’t answer to consumers” but answers to a “board of investor returns.” First – the latter doesn’t exist. I’ve never heard that term. Second, it implies that Sony answers to this “board” as an alternative to answering to consumers rather than correctly indicating that profits and pleasing consumers virtually always require the same actions.
Your post is just kind of a stinker. Sorry to point it out.
I’m sorry the word “pro” is ambiguous to you Boss.
pro·fes·sion·al/adjective
of, relating to, or connected with a profession.
(of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one’s main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.noun
a person engaged or qualified in a profession.
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Now you learn both math and english. Good day for you friend!
Enthusiasts TAKE good photos whenever they want to.
Pros MAKE good photos even when they don’t want to. It helps when equipment operates as advertised. Makes the job laborious when it doesn’t.
There are many talented photographers who make their living with a camera. Their craft is admirable.
But the many of the most talented and accomplished photographers I know rarely or ever take a thin nickel for what they do.
This romanticized idea that you have to pay your mortgage with a camera to be specially skilled is just no longer true.
Right. Anyone can wax poetic on a keyboard. But professional writers get paid to do it. The quality may be the same. But if you don’t know, beyond that, why certain people are paid, and equal others are not, then I’m afraid you don’t understand what it means to be a professional, amongst so many talented enthusiasts.
It’s not about quality. It’s about analyzing and servicing the client needs. I have one studio that shoots with Sony a200 and a700 because the particular client never needs anything beyond 8×12 print. It is more efficient for me to design a program which allows quick image processing and high quality enough to satisfy the job at hand. Client gets a better deal. Competition who shoots only for highest MP will lose that job because they can’t float the expense of so much heavy processing. They’ll overkill it every time.
Oh, Gil – I’m completely on board with the idea that most of the talk about gear and “needs” for new lenses and cameras has very little to do with the craft. Outside certain product or commercial work, I don’t see why you couldn’t run a studio with a700s.
I also recognize that the skills required to earn a living with photographer go far beyond those required to be great a photography.
My point is that when you look at photography as an artform – paid vs. unpaid has little relation to talent these days.
The real talent is seeing the bigger picture.
If, and only if, one wishes to make a living with their camera.
BTW… That’s fifty customers per month per studio asking what type of camera we’re using. They can be replaced all day long for $300 each. Using the old Tokina 28-70/2.8 first generation screwdrive.
Easy business model.
Another studio shoot sports, selling 5×7 prints like hot cakes. $500 per game in print sales. 4 games per day… per photographer. They are sent out with Sony a700/a200 and an old Tamron 200-400 push pull zoom. Combo works great with Minolta eyestart AF. Lots of cheap backup equipment available and the clients are happy as clams.
My personal magazine and advertising work is well served with a900’s and some old Minolta primes. What’s not to love?
What’s not to love is when I try to upgrade to newest latest Sony, and through trial and error, find lacking functionality which causes more confusion and turmoil on the job that it’s worth.
I just want good cameras that operate as advertised. No biggy.
Hey I’m trying to help here. Sharing some profitable business models that anyone could do.
Let’s not act like there are millions of people making a living with cameras – and they are the one’s the buying public looks up to, respects and seeks camera advice from. There’s about 130,000 in the Unites States. 0.0004 of the population. Earning a median $28k. 1 in 3 are part time.
So let’s not pretend that “pro” isn’t loosely used to mean “knowledgeable enthusiasts and influencers.” More people look to their “friend of Facebook with the nice camera” for advice before heading to the local Walmart Portrait Studio to ask the “pro” what they should buy.
Actual professional photographers have far less market-driving influence than they used to.
Right…a 50Mpx a7 series so we can shoot at 0.5 fps in Continous AF burst….Yay
Yeah, that’ll make it impossible for landscape shooters to catch mountains running by.
LOL! Most of the whining comes from those ..:-)
Oh, they miss tracking as well. 😉
As long as I can take a picture of my cat – that fine by me.
I heard that the Leica T with the NEX-5n sensor can’t be beat for that task. 🙂
I wonder what the burst rate of a 4*5 field camera is?
About one shot every 10 seconds if you’re really good.
E-Mount is the new Vectis.
Just ask NEX.
If Sony had any balls, they’d get closer to this concept and kill all competition.
That’s hideous.
I guess it depends on personal taste and perspective. IMHO, these boring uninspired rectangles with all the style of a paving stone and worse ergonomics are “hideous.”
They are desighned to fit in your pocket…unless you have trans poo arrent pockets no one will see it most of the time.
I get people who carry large kits and think if they can trim a substantial % of weight from each component it all adds up. I have a friend who cares 2 bodies and a number of lenses in a huge backpack I can barely lift.
However, as a ‘pocketable’ solution all the ILC compacts are epic fails. I’m talking pants pockets, not coat pockets, because I live in the South and good luck wearing even a light jacket today. Regarding shooting with anything but my massive 200-500mm Tamron if someone whines my body/lens combinations are too heavy they need to hit the 1-pound dumbbells little girls use to strengthen weak wrists.
I should add, I normally carry a mid-size bag (looking to get a backpack) with usually at least 3 lenses which I randomly mix and match as mood/need fits + accessories/teleconverters which isn’t heavy at all. The Tammy has it’s own nice case. I either carry both or more often just keep the Tammy on my body and swap out as my needs change. I can do that for over 3 hours no problem which is about as long as one of my casual afternoon/morning hobby wanderings last.
Are there other photos and mock specs with this concept? Otherwise, what about it is so special, besides what looks like a ridiculously large and awkward grip?
Verry nice design study, it is quite old, I saw it first time right after the A900 was launched. The cool part is that the body is tilted backwards, and that is where the big fault in this study is: if this body was to be buildt, the sensor must have been tilted too, if not there would not be room for the sensor. To give room for the sensor to be mounted vertical as it should the body must have been almost half an inch thicker. So there you have it: A cool camera, but only a study and not possible to realize …
Hey thanks for that. Great understanding.
Think of it like a concept vehicle. The one we see at car show is not the one we see on dealer showroom. But the concepts that can translate into reality are brought forth.
I used i different picture of this study as my laptop backgrund picture for a couple of years
Search for Sony a950 concept.
Shots of new telescoping flash and vertical grip too.
Not for those who enjoy the small E Mount philosophy. But it’s the one a900 lovers really wanted with D800 specs. I’d rather have seen this incarnation than the a99 style.
The way I see it, like it or not, Sony should be designing distinctive molds, like this or other if you prefer. But the current Alpha seems to be trying to look like a Canon, for reasons easy to understand no doubt. Sony would do better if they distinguished themselves amongst peers, rather than play look alike.
But consider the source. I also think the big Sony glass should have remained silver color, for the same reasons of setting themselves apart, rather than pretending Canon. They could have gotten closer to the Leica style golden guns…
Thanks, I took a look and I really like the more angular lines. The new roundness of the latest A mount cameras looks a little funny to me, but they’re ergonomic and that’s more important for a higher end A mount body.
Designs always comes back around though, so the angular lines will make a return at some point. I think Sony could and should be a little more radical with the entry and mid level bodies. Take what Pentax was trying to do with the K-S1, but minus the lights and more refined.
Maybe they should follow the trend in consumer camera bodies and offer a choice of colors like traditional Minolta ‘great’ white, Zeiss blue, Alpha orange-red, or basic black (like Nikon). ;^)
Distinctive looks not working out so much for Pentax, Ricoh. Hard to be main stream and seek to be #2 in the market with oddball design.
Very interesting comment. Not sure I love it but it has several aspects that are far more attractive than the a99. Of course, when you look at the angle of the body it’s more style than functional.
Also should add the pointy EVF is just a tad over-the-top.
oh, thats the picture … sexy …
Persuade Sony to build it and i’ll buy two.
You seem to think that this is a pretty camera so people will buy 3it..not so..this is a poor desighn with appearences being the only consideration.
The angled back is impractical for fitting camera components and wastes space resulting in a larger heavier more expensive body than necessary..the buttons and controls are next to useless as they would be nearly impossible to grasp or feel in the field.
A camera needs to first be desighned for function…then it can be fine tuned to make it prettier and more ergonomic.
All this just from a picture, you must be psychotic err I mean psychic.
That cause he’s a loonie
Absolutely amazing – 311 comments of which 50% are from a crazy painter suffering from
gear acquisition syndrome (GAS).
I’m an owner of both an A900, and A99. I have never complained about either system. Both
deliver exceptional levels of performance for the price Sony charged for them.
I bought the A99 for $2149.99, which is far less than the $3799.99 asking price of the D810, so
I never expected it to have the resolution or IQ of a camera costing $1549.99 more. Nikon incorporated higher quality components in its design hence the price difference.
When these new cameras (36mp or 50mp) launch they will cost much more than the current A99. The A99 36mp replacement will like cost between $3199.99 and $3499.99, the 50mp
will definitely be well over $4000.00. If you were looking for a discount 36mp
camera you will be sorely disappointed.
For the rest of you who can’t fork out 3K for a DSLR, I’m sure Sony will launch a stripped down version which will featuring $1500.00 to $2000.00 worth of performance.
I don’t know why people are so confused by this. If you want D810 performance you’ll have to pay at least $3499.99 to $3799.99 in order to get it.
When the new A99II arrives its not going to be a cheap camera, its going to be quite the opposite. I expect it to cost $1500.00 more than the heavily discounted A99.
I expect to hear plenty of whining when the new FF A-Mounts arrive, because plenty of trolls are going to recieve a harsh dose of reality.
I’m fully expecting sticker shock. If the 36mp A-Mount sell for anything less then $3199.99 I’ll be suprised. Premiere electronics, sensors, and componets, are made in smaller batches, and cost more to produce.
I find the many of the readers believe that these new cameras are going to be cheaper than their competitors for some strange reason.
Why should they? If the A99II manages to perform as well as the D810 its probably going to cost the same. Sony isn’t a charity, and they haven’t been known for giving anyone a break, ask any 70-200mm owner.
Your comments about money being the issue are idiocy., If Sony produced the camera they should be producing I would buy it but not throw away money on an inadequite 24mp camera while the more civilized world is using 36mp…nor will I throw away money now on a 36mp camera when the more civilized world is ready for 54.
Yes a FEW people have been brainwashed by the Sony is great propaganda and bought the a99…but basically A99 sales were poor….so poor infact that Sony believes its because people dont want A mount cameras.
They still argue about whether the A900/a850 is better or the A99 is better. That is because the A99 was obsolete before it was ever built…and sales prove it.
Sales of the a77…pre-A99..and the A77II …..post A99…. are both good because thes cameras are believed to incorporate the best sensors that Sony can currentl make in C size.
No one can claim that about the A99 when both Nikon and E mount have Sony’s more advanced sensors.
Apparently Sony now plans to even further delay the now 2 year old sensor camera……yes 2 year old..because even though a few changes are made to improve it and call it all new it is still the same basic 2 year old 36mp desighn…
And if current rumors are correct E mount will see a brand new 50 or 54mp sensor before A mount even sees thier now obsolete 36 mp sensor…
Yes the obsolete stuff will still work …but many people actually want the best stuff currently available and are not satisfied with the old clearence sale sensors Sony has been sticking in thier cameras just because they label them ALL NEW.
Incedently the all new claim has been made about most new sony camera sensors only to later find out that they are the same sensors allready used in other cameras.
You are crazy!
Canon the market leader isn’t using 36mp, in fact 90% of semi-pros/pro use cameras that do not have a 36mp sensor. If you plan on buying a camera with either a 51 or 54 mp sensor you better be prepared to finance it, cause its gonna cost more than my Harley.
If you think that this technology is going to come cheap you are out of your mind. If you think a 36mp sensor is obsolete your out of you’re mind. Plus 90% of us who can afford a 51mp monster won’t, cause that kind of cash outlay is simply dumb.
In five years when the technology is ‘”obsolete” and affordable I’ll buy one until then I have more important things to do like take photos, plan events, make money, and try not to waste it on overpriced technology.
He’s getting crazier everyday, hopefully we’ll be able to block him, at some point in the future.
Looks like nutty found you.
If they keep the sensor size to FF 135 standard. The pixel pitch is a big discount for the sensor itself or they make a *dreaming* fix lenses with curved 645 sensor.