Of course I keep receiving some impossible rumor. And it happens only one time out of ten these kind of rumors are really true. Anyway, just for fun here is a highly unlikely rumor that if one day would really become true would really create some buzz on the web:
A7x 50MP FE Camera to be announced at Photokina.
6fps
Similar ISO performance to A7
Just a curiosity: Last time I got such an impossible rumor was in March when a new source told me a half a million ISO E-mount FF camera would be announced soon. Guess what, the source was right and the A7s came. So if the A7x will really become true I wills end a bottle of good red wine to the source. But, I think he will not be right and I will keep the bottle for my personal use 🙂
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A very likely rumor, except for the Photokina part 🙂
Agree. There are many iterations A7 and A7r likely to be in place before that. 🙂
Maybe someday… Would make a great kit with the 28-70mm 😛
54 MP = croppable to 16 MP MFT size, so all your primes effectively become 2x zooms 🙂
54 / 4 = 13.5, not 16
54mp / 3 =18mp!
An M43 sensor has an imaging area of 17.3x13mm (225 sq mm), whilst 35mm FF is 24x36mm (864 sq mm). That’s a ratio of 3.84:1, or much closer to 4:1 than 3:1.
That means that a 54mp FF sensor cropped to M43 size would yield about 14MP.
You missunderstood the point of my math…I was just indicating that this yields a 18mp ff color file….I was not attempting to convert it to another format.
If you are claiming that a 54MP Bayer pattern sensor is really only 18MP then why on earth did you reply to a posting about an M43 crop? Also, I might suggest if you are to do so, then you might explain your posting clearly rather than accusing somebody of misunderstanding your point.
In any case, you
simply can’t use a single metric to characterise Bayer vs Foveon-style
sensor. A Bayer pattern 54MP sensor is best described as a 54MP sensor with
colour frequency sub-sampling.
54mp 3 layer foveon like sensor.
This is a rumour from the Barry’s Sony exec.
Some have their own execs. Imagine that! 🙂
Days of photo assistants are long gone. 😉
Barely. One Barry is the physical unit for 54mp APS-C sensor pixel density, not FF. For FF you have to consider the sensor size and that would result in someting like 100mp 😉
The 54mp sensor sony is rumored to hsve is ff multilayer….yes I would like 100+ mp but since that will definitelly not happen soo I have not even been discussing it.
I don’t really think we need another A7. Yes, the resolution is nice but I’D RATHER HAVE A COUPLE OF LENSES!
I had a photoshoot yesterday and I needed to bring an ultrawide (Architecture) and a portrait lens (85-100mm would be ok). I could tell them to wait for Sony’s new release but I borrowed a 5dm2, 16-35/2.8 and 85/1.2 instead. Almost broke my back but I made the shot. Left A7 at home because it was not useful in this context.
Have I bought it just for street photography?
What makes this even funnier is that A7 would wipe the floor with 5dm2 if I could put a lens in front of it. I actually needed to transfer the files directly to the office and A7’s WiFi was much needed. I could even get away with using my Eye-Fi card but that doesn’t work with the 5dm2.
I also needed the dynamic range of the A7 as well. The light condition was far from ideal and I only had one day to shoot so a lot of push-pull processes are going to occur. I hate doing those with the Canon.
I even thought about mounting the EF glass to A7 but I needed to change the aperture a couple of times and I didn’t want to juggle with two bodies, DOF buttons and several expensive lenses while I’m on a powerboat.
Maybe I should’ve bought the X-T1, 56/1.2 and 10-24/4.
obican,
I’m sure it is just my ignorance, but why aren’t you just using an adapter?
I thought one of the great strengths of the A7 line was that you could adapt your Leica / Canon / Nikon / whatever glass. Keep your current investment in glass but get all the latest in camera / sensor tech?
–Q
Quarrel…Obican said:
“I even thought about mounting the EF glass to A7 but I needed to change
the aperture a couple of times and I didn’t want to juggle with two
bodies, DOF buttons and several expensive lenses while I’m on a
powerboat.”
Uhm, electronic adapters allow you to change aperture… you know, like any other lens. So I either call bull, or the guy hasn’t done much homework. They are about $80 on fleabay.
Last time I checked they were around 120$ and I wouldn’t trust them to do the job. All the cheap Chinese adapters I’ve used lasted around 2 years before becoming wobbly (and this one will have electronics in it which can go wrong). So, I’d buy the metabones or nothing.
Also, why do I have to spend money on an adapter while waiting for Sony to release what I actually need?
Why do I have to buy a Canon lens in the meantime? This is just silly.
Yeah I knew it was bull what you said above. If you already have those lenses a) the cost of an adapter would be a pittance by comparison and b) you wouldn’t have to ‘buy’ canon lenses as you already have them. So nothing more than another stupid troll post. If the camera doesn’t have the lenses you need, guess what!? Don’t buy the camera…
“I borrowed a 5dm2, 16-35/2.8 and 85/1.2 instead.”
I borrowed them, you moron.
Oh I see, so you are complaining about what again exactly? You bought a camera that doesn’t fulfil your needs and you call me a moron? Keep it up genius.
I bought a camera hoping Sony would care about releasing lenses. I still like the camera but I can’t use it to its full potential due to lack of lenses.
Yes, we all want lenses. Though I can’t help but think that if you really needed those lenses in this time.of waiting that you would have either not bought the camera or worked around the obvious limiting factor.
“I borrowed a 5dm2, 16-35/2.8 and 85/1.2 instead.”
How is that for a workaround?
quarrel,
I use adapters all the time, the problem is finding a lens to adapt.
What UWA zoom would you put in front of your A7? Surely I have a lot of Canon EF glass around but you need an electronic adapter to use their aperture and that defeats most of the purpose (Using cheaper lenses) I almost bought a Nikon 14-24* last week but decided that it was too heavy and it would spend its time mostly at home. Non-SLR wide angle lenses also have issues with A7 sensors. I’ll probably buy a Samyang 14/2.8 soon but that would’ve been too wide for the occasion anyway.
Portrait prime is another story. Again, which lens would you like to use? I had a FD 85/1.8 and sold it to buy the FDn version (Much lighter) but couldn’t buy it in the end. So, I’m in the market for one. Samyang is heavy and not that good. Canon EF is pretty good but needs an expensive adapter. Minolta and Sony’s 85/1.4 lenses are the best but again, you’ll need an expensive adapter. Nikon 85/1.8D is one option, even though it’s not a lightweight lens and it has the longest focal flange distance of them all, causing it to be the longest lens when adapted.
This goes on and on. Adapters are only nice if you have the lens to adapt and UWA and portrait primes are a bit tricky with A7 due to size, weight and practicality.
*The Nikon 14-24 was dropped quite badly by the owner, causing the built in hood to crack. Even though it got serviced, zoom ring was a bit sticky. It had no problems with centering or sharpness at all and the price was 400$. Still, it’s 1kg of a lens. I ended up not buying it.
It Is a nice way to go for sure. I am shooting with an A7s and an LA-EA3
adapter, Zeiss 16-35 A mount, Tamron 28-75 A Mount, Tamron 70-200 A Mount and a Canon 17mm TSE. I have gone back to manually focusing my shots as I did not want to lose any light with LA-EA4 while shooting with strobes. All I shoot is architectural work so going back to maunal focus was not a huge inconvenience for me. I use the smart remote app on my tablet, which took me a bit to figure out, which is very handy. This set up is not for everyone but this camera is very nice for me. The useable shadow and highlight detail in the raw files was a major improvement over my A850.
17mm TS-E: That’s something I definitely need.
Thank you for your comment, I’ll think about buying the LA-EA3 instead of LA-EA4 since I focus manually most of the time anyway.
You are welcome
There is one little thing to be aware of if you bracket shots and layer mask (hand blend) them together. I now put my quick plate on the adapter for weight balance but since there is a tiny amount of play (rotation) after a lens is mounted to a camera, between the camera and the lens, you have to be careful when you are making adjustments on the camera between shots that you do not make that tiny rotation or shots don’t line up in PS. Options, I set that tiny rotation one way before each shot then I am covered, or keep the quick plate on the body. I like it on the adapter though and I don’t want to have to worry about it so I am having my neighbor (machinist) make a bracket that goes from the camera body to the adapter that screws into the tripod threads then there will be a new tripod thread on the machined plate for the quick plate.
Well do some research and actually buy an adapter that you can control your EF lenses with – Not one of those things would have been hard with RF glass and the right adapter. And no, a Fuji can’t do that.
Which RF glass? Give me a 16-35 zoom for a RF, I dare you. Also, am I supposed to buy a Summilux 75 for the job?
Auto correct, EF glass. A summilux 75mm for what job? Keep talking nonsense, well done champ.
“I borrowed a 5dm2, 16-35/2.8 and 85/1.2 instead.”
I don’t own any EF glass, I borrowed them.
Well, I have a Sigma 17-35 f/2.8-4 but that’s a piece of crap so it doesn’t count. Also the AF doesn’t work anymore and it is badly decentered since someone dropped it.
Ok, so what is your point then?
I am curious, why didn’t you use the 10-18 E mount. Trey Ratcliff says that on full frame e-mount there is no vignetting from 12-17mm and has some brilliant examples. I am considering the lens, myself, for this reason.
I completely forgot about that lens 😀 Thanks for reminding me.
I have been lusting after one as they are having a $100 rebate in the US but it ends Aug 30th. GAS is a b*tch..
Why didn’t you take a 85 1.8? Something like an 85 1.2 wouldn’t be light if made for mirrorless. See Nikon’s 32/1.2 for the 1″ sensor. It’s just as complex.
Also you could have used the a7r with the metabones adapter. Some weight savings there and the liveview would have helped heaps with focusing the 85.
I couldn’t find a 85/1.8 at that moment, otherwise I’d go for it. Also, I don’t have a A7R, nor a metabones adapter. I don’t want to buy a 400$ adapter just because I might need to use an EF lens later.
then go “work” on the possible ones!
I appreciate Andrea sharing an unlikely rumor! It can be fun just to talk about IF it could be possible and FOR WHAT it would be good. In this case since they already have APS-C with 24MP I don’t see why FF with 48MP or 50MP should be a problem. But I for one don’t want huge files like that …
A 50mp sensor would be the medium format sensor. I doubt this would be put in an e mount but its possible a MF camera is coming.
Scale up one of those tiny cellphone sensors to the size of the 35mm cliche and you would get a couple of hundred mp, sure it would be next to useless because no glass exists that can handle that much resolution. But it could be done…
I was doubting the medium format sensor would fit in e mount and also that the organic sensor would come this year as its the other big megapixel sensor. But I agree a 50mp bayer can be done.
It’s not that much bigger – if you consider, in very rough terms:
24mp = 6×4
36mp = 7×5
50mp = 8×6
And 50mp on FF is roughly the same pixel density as a number of the APS-C sensors at 24mp, so it’s not infeasible on fullframe at all
…aaaaaaaand after the rumor about yet another one unnecessary E-Mount body we get a rumor about… yeah right, yet another unnecessary E-Mount body!
We need 100500 more of them! Screw A-Mount, screw lenses, buy a collection of E-Mount bodies, become a real photographer!
Relax… it’s just a SR1 rumor. I can sense that there will soon be a riot here on SAR if there’s still no A-mount news.
I don’t think the world needs another Sony camera right now either, BUT a A7x 50MP FE would be so over-the-top, I don’t think I could resist!
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I’m sure Barry will want a piece of this discussion thread. ;^)
For us DSLR fans this means we’ll see a Nikon D820 version by early 2015 and an a-mount version just in time for the release of the a99II in 2099.
I’m not sure what’s impossible about a 50MP A7. I suppose it might be a bit difficult to get 6fps at that resolution. However, scale up a 24MP APS-C and you get 54MP, so it should certainly be possible.
I’d classify this as unlikely rather than impossible.
Strange? Where is Barry?
Busily typing up SR1 rumours.
this one wasn’t his; it says nothing about multilayer
This rumor is actually for the 54mp 3 layer sensor…the source just didnt give complete details…and of course any of these rumors could just plain be incorrect.
I slept late.
Oh, everyone looking for you 🙂
We missed you!
Well, I wouldn’t call it impossible. But quite pointless unless it is sans AA-filter just like the A7R. If it has AA-filter, I’m pretty sure 50MP will not produce much sharper result (for large prints) than the unfiltered 36MP of todays A7R. The A7 family is quite competent as of now. Just bring me a couple of premium FE wides and a couple of FW tweaks and I’m a happy camper.
Might want to look in to how AA filters work and why manufacturers put them in cameras.
Yes, please do.
I meant you 🙂
But Sony doesn´t want us to be happy campers… Sony wants us to change bodies every 6 to 12 months!
Sorry that’s BS. If you can’t figure out which camera you want or if you want to get the latest thing every time, it’s not Sony’s fault. They’re giving us more options and good ones too.
All we wants is only classical f2.8 lenses.
Like 24-70 70-700 and 14-24.
I can tolerate f4 but i start to regret about buing sony a7
Sell it! I am pretty sure it is more camera than you will ever be capable to use. 🙂
I will wait untill photokina.
For now we have 3 bodyes and 4 native lenses.
That’s ridiculous
No, it’s not. It’s a new System. Give it some time to grow.
I understand pro’s won’t jump ship just yet, but with Zeiss working on MF lenses and the rumored Sony FE lenses, I think within a year it can muster itself from a second-body to the main-Body for many Photographers. I’m for one am excited.
Did anyone notice that Sony is actually now filling the vacant market space left behind by Contax?
How exactly is that?
In the past when people want to choose 35mm camera system with Zeiss lenses they will go to Contax, and now they will go to Sony A7 series. When I held a A7 in my hand it did remind me of Contax Aria and now with the Loxia lenses with electronic aperture and manual focusing, it really resembles the contax system I used in the past. And see how fast Zeiss push out their lenses for A7 series cameras, I strongly believe that Zeiss is planning to invest in Sony A7 series as the modern day Contax. As Sony has the best sensor technology and Zeiss superior IQ, I think this will turn out to be a winning combination. Sorry that English is not my native language, so I try to avoid this kind of lengthy explanation.
I see what you mean. But… most people who don’t use Sony don’t even consider Sony Zeiss lenses to be real Zeiss. Also, if you check Nikon forums there are people who exclusively use Zeiss lenses. Personally I don’t care even if it’s Samyang as long as they deliver.
Why did you buy it in first place if you neede 2.8 zooms? Stick with a traditional DSLR or with an A99 with Zeiss 24-70 and the 70-200G
f/2.8 zooms make no sense on an E-Mount body.
The whole reason for E-Mount existence is compactness, and if you are going to use large lenses anyway, just pick an A99 with better AF, ergonomics and everything else.
That’s not the point…. u can have the option to choose. Ever. So if i need a 24-70 2.8… i could be able to get it.
If i need a 35 2.8 (bleah) pancacke to have te camera lighter…. well … here u go.
And it seems to me that what u say is not totally correct:
Think about the 70-200 f4.
It doesn’t seem to me much “compact” and congruent with your statement of a7 filosophy way of shooting
You do have a point about the fe 70-200/4 being as big as a dslr version.
A7 with any lens is not ‘compact’ in the sense that you can put it in your pocket. That’s for the RX series is for.
E-Mount is just more compact and lighter than DSLR/SLT.
As for the ability to choose, what prevents you from using a 24-70ZA with an adapter? A native E-Mount 24-70 f/2.8 won’t be smaller anyway.
I want fast, small, stabilized prime lenses, not more bodies! SONY, wake up! we need great optics to be better than the competition, not a sack full of similar bodies without propper lenses!
Hm. If this would be true…
I would lose much time for photography because I would need to work two to three jobs in order to effort all this great new stuff… 🙂
As a pro that has recently switched to Sony with the a7r I would love to see an a7x. All I’d ask for over the a7r is faster please. faster AF, faster AF spot control, faster frames per sec (just a little), and faster card writing speed. Even if it had the same 36 mpx sensor and was more expensive I’d buy it.
yep…me too! i was all set to buy to an A7r this weekend but I’ll wait a couple of weeks to see if it there is any basis
Now put this chip into a NEX-7 body and give it the A6000-autofocus. Then we finally have a NEX-7 successor, because the resolution on the APS-C frame would stay the same. I could live with the 10fps->6fps downgrade.
Maybe one thing could be right: The existing 50MP Sensor.
But not in a 7 body, but in a RX2 body with fixed lens!?
I’d buy that one. Especially with a standard, rather than wide-angle, lens.
Finally, SR1 rumors. Bring back the good times. I began following this site with SR1 and SR2 rumors 😉 Not for the “deals” and “news”.
+1
Via mult-shot capture ala Hasselblad?
Good old days when we were discussing diffraction and motion blur problems with 20+ MP sensors…
Such a camera is only a matter of time.
Well so are flying cars and sightseeing trips to Mars.
And nuclear fusion reactors…
Flying cars exist, but not mass-produced.
A trip to Mars called Mars One is underway.
Yeah but those cars probably won’t be A-mount…
Such a camera, and with the same iso results as a A7s. Then i would be completely sold.
I thought Sony wasn’t going to do the minor innovation game anymore. It better have the fastest FF mirrorless phase focusing system in the world, as well as full sensor readout 4k video, and ultra high speed storage support.
Yeah, 50MP isn’t even worth mentioning without those things.
12.2mp are prefect 🙂 naaa 50mp = bad video alias and moire
That’s not how it works. ..
12Mp = soft 4k
39MP 2×2 binning with decent AA = sharp 4k
That’s not how it works either. Especially saying a decent AA filter lol umm what do you the the AA filter does? It softens the image.
Learn how sensors work. The softness comes from the Bayer arrangement. A properly constructed AA filter will not soften beyond what the sensor is capable of in the first place. Also, read this:
http://genotypewritings.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/more-resolution-without-going-foveon.html
I have a working knowledge of how sensors work. I just don’t agree with you that the 4k image from a 12mp sensor like the sony a7S is not soft. As far as the 39mp 2×2 binning with a great AA filter being sharp? Maybe but there are to many determining factors to just come to that conclusion, like the sensor, the filter, the processor/speed, possibly codec and I would also guess at 39mp sensor they glass might even be a factor.
You are clueless.
50MP isn’t as much as people make it out to be. Only in the digital era do we fall over at the mention of “high end” resolution. To double the resolution of your sensor you need to times by 4. That means we’ll need 96MP to double our current 24MP sensors. I’ll take whatever I can get, but don’t tell me Sony isn’t already capable of much more. It’s called holding out.
The rumor might actually be possible..hers why
Sony IS rumored to have a 54mp multi layered sensor
Sony has been consistently putting thier newest tech into E mount first and making A mount users wait years to catch up.
Sony is rumored to be planning a 36mp A mount camera..that would actually catch up to the current E mount camera.
Canon is rumored to be coming out with high mp multi layered camera.
Sony is known for consistantly slapping thier A mount users in the face….what better way to accomplish that than finally give A mount users the 36mp camera they have been waiting for for so long..but first give E mount users the new 54mp sensor
No… I don’t think Canon is. They’re talking about stacked sensors… not layered ones.
Canon has multiple patents for foveon like sensors…we will both find out when the are released.
Then why aren’t you confident about the other 1000+ tech Canon has patents on? If you dig deep you’ll find similar patents from Olympus too.
Im as big of a resolution fan as any…but i think technology needs to catch up a bit. I use a i7 laptop with plenty of RAM and solid state hd on trips. But on some types of edits, like stiching, the a7r files are borderline slow. Trying to edit 50 mp files might slow enough where it’s annoying. Sure i can supe up my computer some more but 36 seems like a good balance for now. There’s been a few times i wished i had more mp for cropping but i dont think its been often enough to the point where i think 36 is just lacking. Just my own opinion, im sure there are others who feel differently.
Exactly!
I have a very powerful desktop (high 8’s in Windows Experience) and even files from my A99 are a burden at times.
Handling, moving, and storing files are undoubtedly the biggest hurdles we face and more MP only makes the problem a whole lot worse.
So you’ll shoot 3500 cat photos instead of 7000… big deal.
But he won’t have to stitch them together.
54mp 3 layer sensor generates a native 18mp file..non interplated…do your processing at 18 mp then scale it up 4x to 72mp if you need the increased resolution.
LOL, all these talks about computer spec without specifying the CPU gen is useless. I have a lowly i5 Ivy Bridge (as opposed to an unknown i7), with 32GB mem, and 1 dedicated SSD for caching (yes, the same whatever that means “high 8’s”), and I don’t have problem handling 100MP+ stitched images. Yes, saving these enormous TIFF (few GBs) would take a while (you can get a dedicated SSD just for storage as well), but processing them is not a problem (e.g. apply filter, local correction/enhancement). I guess one needs to know more about his/her computer.
Saying 100MP+ also doesn’t make sense without saying what the bit depth is (assuming no layers).
LOL, geno, I think you should understand by now that if I was going through the trouble of editing such large image, it’s going to be at least 16 bit. Last time we talked about HDR, multi-row pano , you showed me some of your uninspiring pictures with no regard for perspective distortion. I understand that you love tech and the money to try various large format, but as a photographer, I don’t think you have accomplished much.
“if I was going through the trouble of editing such large image, it’s going to be at least 16 bit”
That’s typical ignorance of the subject. Not surprising that you mistakenly think that your opinion matters ROFL
And you think yours does? I guess I keep making worthwhile pictures while you continue spewing non-sense. GJ mate.
I know more than enough, thank you. If you did likewise then you would be aware that the WEI is an indication of the overall strength of a computer (one weak area gives a lower reading) and it only goes into the 8’s at the moment.
So, far be it from ‘useless’, my point is still completely correct: the main issue facing computers and photographers in particular is file handling, moving and storing, which a 50MP sensor exacerbates.
Indeed, the gain in quality is decreasingly small in relation to the negatives.
Peter, the problem with stating the WEI number is that it doesn’t show how well the user utilize the power of the computer. You have to identify the weak area and improve upon that. Storage is cheap, though your RAID 0 might be a problem (double the failure rate). Again, file handling can be as smooth as you want with a dedicated SSD for caching (yes 32gb ram is not enough), and another for just handling the current file. Moving large file is always a problem, but if you know how to manage it, you don’t have to be there while the files are being moved (again, just like backing up data everyday). I don’t think I know more than enough (LOL, otherwise I would be one of those computer geeks running benchmarking all days), but certainly it seems I know more than you.
Oh for heaven’s sake, I was only using generalities just to give an idea and emphasise where the problems of high MP count on sensors lie. I wasn’t going to go into the minutiae of computer set up!
Although it is no business of yours, my set up is tuned for absolute performance (within my budget) and I’m well aware of the risks of RAID0; I have a scheduled backup to a NAS. By the way, your comment about RAM is only appropriate for a very few particular cases and is almost irrelevant for most applications.
My basic point remains entirely valid and, if you follow data safety protocol correctly, you would have an extra copy off site. Tell me, whizz kid oracle of all that is computer wise, how exactly do you go about storing 8TB and growing off site?
Make the files larger and the data handling, moving and storing becomes a serious issue. Far greater than anything else.
Sounds like a good time to give your system a cleanup 🙂
My system is kept pristine.
I have two SSD in raid 0 for OS and two scsi drives in raid 0 for immediate storage. 32GB of fast RAM and run an i7 3770 with Geforce 760 graphics. Not the absolute highest spec possible, but up there as pretty damn powerful.
Perhaps most of you don’t churn through 5,000 – 10,000 shots a week, but I do and handling, moving, and storing is a royal pain, even at 24MP.
Have to say, I love editing with my 12MP A7s files 🙂
Not sure if you know but you can take even a 120MP photo, resize it to 12MP and get the same editing performance. At 12MP it’ll be sharper than the a7s image too.
This could be a possibility, but only if the price was proportionately high i.e. at least 1.4 times the price of an A7r. Otherwise it would kill the A7r market stone dead.
Furthermore, the A7s market would be worse, as one could choose the smaller file size on the new camera, get better ISO performance (same ISO on higher resolution means better when resolution is matched), and still have the option for the best resolution when needed.
So a possibility, although it would be extraordinary and the greatest ‘own foot shooting’ Sony have ever managed, which is saying something given their past record!
The total light gathering area must be the same, however, due to the wiring this won’t be the case for a 56MP compared to a 12MP sensor. From a certain ISO on the A7x won’t be able to compete with the A7s in that respect. My biggest problem would the lenses, these need to be outstanding to make full use of the sensor.
You are misunderstanding both me and the nature of sensors.
First, I was referring to the supposed claim in the rumour, that it would match the A7s in ISO performance and my point is correct if it relates to images from the camera, rather than equalized afterwards, where higher resolution reduces noise. To see this clearly one only has to compare images between the A7s and the A7r at higher ISO. There is very little difference indeed at 25600. As to what it would be beyond that, I have no idea and nor do you, as the A7r is limited to that figure.
Even if it was meaning images equalized to 12MP, then those from sensors 5 years ago produce noisier images than now, even though light gathering is entirely static, as better technology has given us improvements. I’m assuming this would be in the same vein.
50mp would be nearly pointless without almost perfect optics that can resolve that well. Let’s hope Zeiss Loxia doesn’t disappoint! Plus this would not make any sense considering the way they’ve marketed the A7r just to come out with a new higher resolution?? Would be odd and disorganized.
Not that pointless, the pixel density of an 24 mpx apsC is slightly higher, so if 24mpx apsC make sense, so will 50 mpx FF. And yes, it would be kind of stange to launch a new A7x with this kind of resolution, but then – this is Sony …
It can be done, but what I want is a medium format camera with about 96MP and the full flexible range of a large format camera- no tilt shift crap for this guy.
Medium format what? They come in different sizes. The 80MP ones have been top of the line for a while now and they seem stuck there… checked the prices?
Even with a FF 645 sensor, 96MP is very high in pixel density. Ever wondered if you can afford the lenses that can put a sensor like that to good use?
Also, you need tilt shift.
A 54mp layered sensor actually has 18mp size pixels and can resolve 3x the resolution from the same lens.
Strange, people don’t worry about using 1.4x TC which is equivalent to doubling MPs, but 35% increase in MP is pointless…
Anyways, 55 FE is already quite good.
Old rumors were that the new 54mp multi layered Barry Sensor would first appear on the new hybrid A E mount camera …and that this would be mirrorless and include IBIS and z shift.
This would be a good opportunity to combine the systems and end the A mount E mount fued
I would buy such a camera. Sadly, I read here on SAR that Sony has abandoned the idea of developing a hybrid A/E camera. 🙁 I get by with my current cameras very well.
I think at some point you have mixed up the Exmor RS or whatever “stacked” sensor as being like a Foveon type layered sensor.
We will see when and if it comes out.
Please just help us re-post it 10 times and make it come true. 🙂
lol
Would be nice if that trick would work out 🙂
why is that impossible? 6000×6000=36MP
7000×7000=49MP
That’s just 17% more resolution than A7r sensor. It’s of course possible and in 1-2 years probably the new standard.
I know the sensors are not 1:1 format but maths stays the same. Megapixel count is still a square function. PPI would be more interesting value to compare but probably worse for marketing.
And our pictures tend to have 2 dimensions as well…;)
So a 36 MP picture can still be printed 50% larger than a 24 MP picture using the same PPI.
Back when the D800 was launched, this one was one of the most fun things to tell a new owner. Loved the face my supervisor made when I told him just that during lunch.
I have this serious itch for large format. I need someone to stop me from going over the edge man. I just keep thinking of a big 4×5 monorail toyo or something like that. I have to try it at least once…it’s going to happen.
A bit of an odd place to talk about this don’t you think?
Try this instead:
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum
Get a field camera. Monorails aren’t all that.
No, I don’t think it’s a bad place. I’d like to use an A7R and a multistitch plate along with the toyo.
That’s not exactly large format then… if it is, gigapan would also be large format.
Did you think what the offset microlenses will do when you stitch? Not a very elegant solution.
I use to use 8×10 Sinar just to end up with Sony A7r and Hassy 40MP. Mind you that you can stitch but no chance you will come close to 8×10 quality image. If someone will tell you you can, then they don’t know what they are talking about.
Same relate to A7r vs Hassy. Difference in image quality is apparent.
Oh man, shouldn’t have said that. 8×10 is a serious alluring drug for me right now. I can only imagine the awesomeness of those slides. Thaks for the user perspective- much appreciated.
I’m waiting for the A7m
It would be made specifically for adapting manual focus lenses. It would have IBIS and the sensor would have the ability to move forward and backward to adjust for different flange distances among different brands of lenses. This way the adapters could be kept very small no matter what lens you put on it. It would add very little extra length to any camera/lens combination this way. In the menu system there would be an option to move the sensor forward or backward in very fine increments to adjust for infinity focus. Maybe it could save these adjustments as brand/lens combination profiles.
In the meantime I’ll keep enjoying my A7r.
Thank you for this SR1! I really mean it (no sarcasm).
This is a rumor site, to dream, to arse around. This is fun, this is the purpose of a rumor site, and this feels good again! Danke Andrea!
What Sony needs is a revised camera body without dealbreaking flaw: a A7 without sensor reflection issue or a A7r without shutter shake issue. The A7s was such a camera but the megapixel count and price forbids it from becoming a main-stream camera. Most importantly, we need lenses!! Lenses!!! Lenses!!!!
Well, you certainly don’t expect the A7X, if such a camera truly exist and is not just some wishful thinking, to be offered at a lower price than the A7S. Maybe the A7S price will drop a bit after the A7X come to market but that could be 6-9 months into the future. If there’s an announcement at Photokina of the A7X, it’ll probably be a development announcement not actual finished product ready to ship by Xmas
Well, the A7x es certainly technically posible with Sony´s know how of today. As I said, I hope for a camera body that fixes the design flaws in the A7 and A7r. Do I need 50mp? No. But if it´s a 50 MP camera that offers such fix, then fine. But we really need more lenses… A system that has 3 cameras and 5 lenses of 4 focal lengths? That´s just ridiculous and should be corrected ASAP.
4 focal lengths? Is that how you shoot the other 3 zooms? And I doubt that you would buy the A7x if Sony is able to fix all of the so-called “dealbreaking flaws.” I don’t know since when the sensor reflection/shutter vibration would limit one’s creativity. A sharp, perfect picture of a dull subject is still uninteresting. Some people just whine when they haven’t even shot with the camera.
You “don´t know since when the sensor reflection/shutter vibration would limit” because you haven’t really used these cameras thoroughly. I have been using them both since day one and have been using them in a great variety of situations. While I’ve enjoyed their weather resistance and light weight, I have every right to complain about the stupid design flaws that should never have made their way to the market. The fact that I have to constantly check to make sure that I am using the A7r for night scene and the A7 for tele shots is a real pain, and a pain that’s totally unnecessary if Sony had done it’s homework right. But I guess some people are just too loyal to Sony to care about or even allow user feedbacks.
LOL, would you please show me one picture (actually two) of how the sensor reflection and shutter vibration suddenly reduce the artistic value of your shot? That’s what I meant in my post. Yes, I haven’t shot extensively with the A7 series (Just got the A7r and A7s recently), but I have shot countless of frames on other cameras to know that these two issues are inconsequential to the overall photographic value (not so much for a gear head). Are these Sony cameras flawed? Certainly, but which camera isn’t. Can Sony improve upon these? Most certainly. I never have any problem with a better camera, or more lenses, or…. I guess I only have problem with people blow some flaws out of proportion. Heck, if they are such “dealbreaking flaws,” why are you still lugging them around to “constantly check” for the right camera combo? Why do you put yourself through so much pain and then whine about it? Would you somehow think that your whine/exaggeration here would influence Sony? Go to a proper channel and make your voice heard. Aimlessly recount your dissatisfaction over and over on a forum wouldn’t help one bit. Neither is labeling anyone opposed your idea as a Sony loyalist/fanboy/etc. Other than that, I would up vote the more lens, more lens and more lens (oh, and yes, include the EFCS and PDAF on the next A7r gen to create more appeal). Just my fraction of a cent.
This is going hugely off topic, but since you asked for it, I’m posting the pictures. My apologizes to the others for the waste of time and space. The 1st image shows the degree of sensor reflection on the A7. The strong light sources in the picture all have a slight haze around them and the purple light on the upper right has a repeating coma-like tail attached to it. Now in this particular picture it doesn’t affect much, but in scenarios like the 2nd pic, in which I got smart and used the A7r instead, the lights around the frame in the theatre would have all being torn out of proportion, ruining the shot, had I used the A7. The 3rd pic is just ok for web viewing, but not for printing, because it is blurry on the pixel level. Now I was trekking and my hands were a little shaky in the wind, so I dialed the shutter speed up to 1/500s for a 300mm lens. The image came out blurry. Had I used the A7 instead of the A7r, I know the shot would have probably came out sharp. Now don´t blame me for not using the A7, the weight sensitive nature of trekking prohibited me from taking 2 camera bodies and I had to choose before hand. The 4th pic is sharp from the same setup at 1/400s because I had time to attach the camera to a tripod. But if the A7r had a weaker shutter vibration like the A7, I wouldn’t have had to attach the camera to a tripod, saving time and strength. Now you see I’m not blowing the flaws out of proportion. The flaws are real and they do bug me. I’m still lugging them around because I use what I have. But when I made the purchase, the flaws were not commonly known and you can´t blame me for not studying enough before making a purchase just because I supported Sony innovation. These are flaws that shouldn´t exist on any camera. Why do I call the flaws deal-breaking? Had I known about them, I for one probably wouldn´t have made the purchase, definitely not the A7, for at least you can work around the shutter vibration issue of the A7r by adding the extra weight of a battery grip. Now if for your, a Sony forum is not a proper channel to express user opinions about a Sony product, where should these opinions be posted? Silently and quietly in a private mail to Sony? So that no one other than Sony can know about it? And then out of honor Sony would fix all the cameras it sold? If that´s the case, I just have less experience with this society than you do.
First of all, I like the 2nd picture (or 4th for that matter). But I would like to say that if it’s nicely composed and the capture is interesting, the sensor reflection is not going to be an issue. Again, it’s a non-consequential to the artistic value of the image. If I was to include that 2nd picture into my portfolio, the sensor reflection would not stop it from being a good picture. That’s why I think it’s not as serious as you make it out to be. And my A99 did have the same problem.
Now we get to the shutter vibration issue. FYI, this flaw on the A7r is only limited on tripod under certain range of shutter speeds (about 1/2s to 1/250s) depending the focal length. Hand-holding would actually reduce the problem since your body would absorb the vibration. This is well-documented by trusted sources such as Lloyd Chamber. So this is purely a user error. This reminds me of the D800. When it first came out, people were disappointed with the result handholding and they blamed the lenses (hence multiple threads about the adequacy of certain lens), the early diffraction (as if a sensor somehow changes the optical property of a lens), and the camera itself (gasp!). Some claimed that the D800 is a tripod-only camera. Now when the dust has settled, someone came up with the rule of thumb for shooting handheld, 1/(2*FL) is the minimum shutter speed (YMMV). Good shooting technique is crucial. Certainly with lower MP count, sloppy technique can be forgiven. So that is why the shutter vibration is not as big of a deal as you made it out to be.
And if you believe SAR is a formal Sony forum, you are hugely mistaken (and very naive). Sony has its own support forum. Better known (or rather more formal) fora such as DPreview, GetDPI, Fredmiranda would still be better than this. This is mainly a rumor site, with tons of trolls, fanboys, haters and such, that I don’t think Sony would take anyone serious here.
as a Nikon user, I can only say: sony needs more lenses and fast. And what about the SLT series? When will they release a camera of ISO performance similiar to D7100, something that can hold low light ISO @ 3200 or 6400, instead of just 1000-1600? I have hope the A99m2 would be good, but since it’s FF and probably priced high, it wont be for everyone.
Me? I enjoy knowing I have invested in glass such as Nikon 50 1.4, 85 1.8, 16-35 f4, 70-300 4.5-5.6, Sigma 180 macro, sigma 400 5.6 .. and knowing there’s still a samyang 24 f 1.4 Tilt-shift lens, samyang 14 2.8 WA (as sharp as nikon’s 14-24 2.8, 430 euro vs 1800 euro), nikon af-s 80-400 4.5-5.6 (very expensive, probably not in my radar, but apparently mega sharp wide open @ 400mm), 24-70 2.8 (a low light general lens, would prolly be better low light WA for motion/movement than my current 16-35 f4) on my potential wish list for the future. I know the Nikon FX system wont be going anywhere in a while. What for? I’ve yet to see camera that can be as diverse as a full frame dslr, as not even the medium format cameras of today can be used in low light or for proper sports photography, and I don’t think many are even using them for street photography. It’s this kind of diversity that I feel non-canikon systems are lacking atm.
Your “dealbreaking flaws” are kind of a joke.
I have a better joke.
This dyslexic guy walks into a bra…
This rumor might be interesting if the X performed like the S, with same low light and 5 axis IS thrown in. A7 performance…yawn :/
Bring it on. The A7r needs a replacement to eliminate the mechanical first curtain. Do that and I purchase the a7rii if the MP stay the same or increase.
If this would have superfast tracking autofocus with Canon mount 3rd party optically stabilized lenses I would consider it.
This is what you’ve been waiting for Barry. Don’t go putting stipulations on it.
If it comes to life and you don’t pre order the day it is announced, then you will be making the statement that all your complaining about MP is a load of horse manure. You may be close to the land of put up or shut up if this thing exists.
I have also been consistantly making the statement that for my uses the current E mount system is a load of horse manure…if you put my new sensor in a load of horse manure its still a load of horse manure.
But I am not categorically saying that E mount is not a good system…just that one man’s horse manor is another man’s filet mignon.
Barry, are you trying to be a parody of yourself?
36mp is good enough for me If the A7r had the focusing and FPS of the a6000 I would gladly pay over 3k for it. And yes more lenses please.
Useless. Better make camera for pro journalists that could compete with D4s and 1Dx: put A7s sensor in fully weather sealed, A-mount body. Ever wondered why there are no photos made with Sony DSLR/SLT cameras among World Press Photo winners?
The reasons are primarily business-related:
-poor professional support services
-poor relative battery life
-difficulty finding parts, accessories, etc. abroad
-would be using different system than virtually every peer
The fact that press people do or don’t use a camera really shouldn’t matter much to anyone but the press.
Plus:
– lack of a functional native flash system
– lack of networking ( wifi/Ethernet) with FTP support
The fact that press people do or don’t use Sony doesn’t matter to me but obviously matters a lot to the people who believe that “Sony makes crap cameras as no professional journalists use them”.
Reg. professional support services: supposedly Sony announced they’re developing “Pro Support” services, so things may change in the near future.
Poor relative battery life: in the body size of D4/1D/A99+grip you can squeeze 3 batteries, so battery life issue may be not so important.
Finding parts accessories etc: thats what “Pro Support” is for, and that’s why a complete system is needed not only bodies + some lens + a few flash units. I believe Sony has quite extensive sales network over the world, the problem is the camera system is lacking.
Different system than every peer: everybody starts somewhere, if you can easily rent lens, accessories etc at “Pro Support” sites, the chances are boosted.
As far as I can see most “fresh” people tend to choose Canikon over Sony becouse they are told “using Sony is lame, almost none pro photographers use Sony”, so winning few highly regarded competitions is crucial to prove this opinion is bullshit.
Don’t let this SR1 gossip crush what remaining value is left for used a7X series. The used prices are dropping faster than rats from a sinking ship. Gossip like this cause folk to dump their cameras and flood the market. Everybody loses. Especially when most aren’t even leveraging the full potential of the 36mp beyond screen pixel peeping satisfaction… like a sick addiction.
‘Gossip like this cause folk to dump their cameras and flood the market.’
lol you overestimate the influence of this site.
I agree. If you have some brain you don’t decide to buy a camera based on rumors. You rather look on your real needs 🙂
You could show some decency with your posts tho. I’m finding the 4/3 and nikon rumors to be more valuable than this site tbh. Too much flame baiting
Only a small minority of camera buyers visit rumor sites, and only a small minority of those would dump their camera because of a rumor. There will be no flooding of the market because of this rumor.
You are hilariously funny …
Not getting into a slugfest today over an SR1 rumor. The SR5 don’t even manifest.
Have fun arguing about it fellas.
This could help solve the lens problem; what will APSC crop mode be like for a FF50mp sensor- enough for anyone I think? but don’t expect good video or speed, I would like the A6000 focus expanded upwards as well as down to A5100 rather than more mpix.
I would buy it, provided it could focus in low light. And when I needed pixels for a 2-3 meter wide print I could now do it with one frame or just 2 stitched (not 5). (the slow focus in low light is why i do not own an a7r)
Impossible is possible. SR-0.25 is 1 GPx sensor inside of the A99-III @ Photokina 2015.
Have they already cancelled the a99II ?
sony is starting to run out of ideas. Look at how big announcement both 7d2 and d750 have been. It will be only a matter of time before nikon will stop using sony sensor, as both Df and D4s have better color rendition than D8xx series of cameras
Photokina 2015 is impossible indeed.
If Sony actually wanted to scoop Canon by introducing a 54mp stacked sensor right away the fastest way would be to stick it in an existing a7 body.
This decision may be more about getting the product out fast than about any other consideration.
Sony’s A7 lineup needs more lenses, not more megapixels. The current resolution already has several times more pixels than any mainstream user needs.
And the A7R and Sony sensor wielding Nikons have even cut into medium format’s tiny market share pie. But I would not be at all surprised to see a Sony medium format camera announced long before a comprehensive FE lineup is available. That sort of A.D.D. has been their history.
Its fun to watch from a furious innovation point of view, but not a particularly customer friendly approach.
“but the lack of follow through is not a particularly customer friendly approach” _
I totally agree ! – I’m tempted to buy an A7s, but I’m afraid they might abandon the FE mount in a year or two for whatever reason … and by abandon I mean abandonment via shifting product development resources to something else; similar to how they de-prioritize A-mount development.
If I knew Sony investments would last more than a few technology generations, I’d spend more quickly. Until I sense of greater long term stability, I’m going to stick with my current A-mount cameras and lenses.
I wonder if its their corporate turnover that drives that attention deficiency.
” I’m the new-guy-in-charge, we’re going to abandon plans of my predecessor so I can make my mark in the corporate world and get a promotion … ”
Then, three years later, after some Sony corporate reshuffling, we hear,
“I’m the newest, new-guy-in-charge, we’re going to abandon plans of *my* predecessor …. “
How about dealing with the issues of the cameras that are out there right now? One has the feeling that companies rather produce a whole new product instead of dealing with the products that they have just sold. Still waiting for some firmware updates for the A7R. Nothing really happening there.
That’s Sony. I learned my lesson. I have an NEX 5 sitting doing nothing for the last 2 years.
This sensor belongs in an FC mount. Full frame mirrorless curved sensor mount. I want 50MP of clear, unadulterated mind bending IQ.
Not everyone can afford a $2500 every 6 months. What they should be doing is refining the pro line up firmware for at least two years after it’s released and update a pro body at most once a year, but ideally once every other year.
Not everyone can afford to keep up with the latest state of the art equipment …true…does that mean that no one should make it because some people cant buy it?
No. I just think they could spend more time and make it right before releasing it and keep improving what they release through firmware updates while they work on the next one that has significant improvements. Keep in mind I’m talking about the pro line. The consumer line could update faster with features from the pro line trickling down till the new pro line is ready. Actually, I think sony is on a 2 year schedule with the pro line and I don’t expect to see an update to the A7 series till late 2015. My biggest beef is that they could do a better job improving the firmware in the meantime and keeping pros feeling secure in their investment. FYI, I’m an A7s owner. That and let’s hope the lenses are rolling!
Pro Line? I was not aware that sony had a pro line of ilc equipment.
Sounds interesting…please tell me where I can learn more about these pro cameras.
I’m a pro and the A7 series are certainly enthusiast and pro level cameras. I currently use the A7s to make a living in short films and photography. Before the A7s I used an A7r. Before that an Nex 7. Before that a Canon 5d Mark II. http://www.rishio.com
You call yourself a professional and you use E mount cameras…
That does not make E mount a professional system.
I photograph wildlife using almost exclusively long lenses and tele/macro lenses.
I require image stabilization and to increase my percentage of keepers and fast focus to track moving subjects.
There is not a single usefull lens made …based on my requirements…for the E mount system.
A proffesional system is not one that only meets the needs of snapshooters who require nothing more than a wide angle, normal, and portrait length lens.
This is not a criticism of your work…I am making absolutely no professional or personal judgements about you.
Good point
With that same argument, I could say that Canon and Nikon don’t make professional cameras either. They are too big and heavy to be practical in the type of work I do. My work requires discreetness and there is no other camera under $5000 that has a full frame sensor, performs admirably in low light, shoots amazing quality video, is small in size and weight, adapts various lenses, and shoots silently. Shooting silently itself has opened up a bunch of opportunities that isn’t even possible with any other full frame camera system.
D810 is silent, the video quality should be better than 5dm3 (which has gotten much praise), can focus moving subjects in low light with better success rate than any of the mirrorless cameras atm.
Sure, D810 doesn’t have low light performance of Df, but thats why you gotta have D750 or a D4s. Alternatively you just attach a sigma 50 1.4 and suddenly you can use 1.4 aperture, and due to sharpness of that lens wide open, you can shoot low light with good image quality!
I agree Rishi O. For long term trickle down consumer evangelism, you are spot on.
I don’t know why barry is being such a dyck.
Welcome to the world of Sony.
Okay, how if Sony waits until you can afford a new body? You can keep us all posted and give Sony a green light to start production when you think it’s okeydokey.
Lens development & manufacturing takes a lot more time than designing & building camera bodies. What they are doing by releasing all these new FF E Mount bodies is expanding the FF E user base. When we run out and buy the latest, greatest new camera body, we don’t just throw the 6 month old one away. Some of us may keep them for a while, but inevitably they end up on the second hand market, most likely bringing a new potential lens customer into the ecosystem. S, Sony keeping on releasing more & more bodies is good for the system as a whole. At some point, other players like Sigma will jump on board & start to supply lenses as well. I don’t think that that would happen if there were only a few bodies in the hands of a few photographers. Remember this system is only a year old, so give them a chance to catch up with the lens selection. I think that in another year from now, almost everybody’s needs will have been satisfied already. I would be very interested in a 50mp A7 (or A9) body, hopefully with a better shutter system, and then I would pass my A7r on to a new owner.
How long does it take then? We’ve been waiting 8 years for the development of A-mount lenses so history isn’t on your side. 😉
Sony like releasing bodies, don’t get your hopes up believing that they are developing a lot of FF E mount lenses.
Last time I looked there were over 40 Sony A Mount lenses. How many should they have before you would consider the system to be mature? What do you think is missing in the current A Mount lineup?
not the one you’re replying to, but I would say primes such as 50 and 85 (with apertures of 1.4 or 1.8) are more chaper in canon and nikon systems. There’s also really nice WA lenses, such as 14-24 2.8, 16-35 f4, 24-70 2.8, 70-200 2.8, some 80-400 4.5-5.6 (old or new), 300 f4, 400 5.6 sigma/canon ..
Yeah, you can get some nice art lenses for sony systems, maybe the samyang WA 14 f2.8 is for sony too, or their excellent tilt shift lenses, or the tamron line of 24-70, 70-200, 150-600 .. however, that’s about it. Sony users are VERY MUCH depended on those 3 brands if they wish to get some quality for “fair price”, as buying zeiss glass is waste of money imo.
Comparing the prices of sony or zeiss lenses to canikon lenses just shows how much the price difference is. What if somebody wants to have more than a 24-85 3.5-4.5 travel lens (which is good btw!)? Something wider? Something with longer reach? Something that can do macro? That’s when you start to ponder how good the sony system actually is…
Lenses don’t take long to make at all. Zeiss put together the Otus 55 in 6 months or less iirc. All lenses follow the same spec so they don’t need to wait for bodies and future proofing them isn’t difficult.
I see no surprise in 50MP full frame. It is now long overdue. I belive 50MP sensors are in the works for few years at least – it is a full frame version of the 24MP APS-C, so nothing unusual.
So A7x will come if not in 2014 then in 2015. Sony need to improve low light AF compared ot A7r and that new camera will literally obliterate the DSLR market. D810 will be toast.
You think the corners and edges of the A7r are rough? I have news for you when it comes to pushing megapixels more than 36 in this mount…
Corners or otherwise… there will be improvements over the 36 we have now. So I personally welcome it.
I’d simply urge the “fixes” to take place without introducing more fundamental problems – which a smaller photosite will do.
strangely, 1″ 20 mp sensor in fz1000 doesn’t seem to have any of these problems, and it even does 4k. problems of manufacturing larger sensor with same pixels aren’t that fundamental
50MP is just about right for full frame this is same as 24 APS-C or 16 in m43. Going beyond is the issue.
Corners are non-issue except for rangefinder wide angle lenses. SLR designs and new designs for FE will have no corner issues.
Resolution is one thing: utility is another. The A7r and potential X are way better cameras than the D810 for _certain_ photography. Way better. But they are incapable of doing the vast majority of what is necessary for a person that buys a D810.
Resolution: give it here.
But this isn’t a dSLR replacement any more than a compact camera is.
I would argue that fashion and stock photographers keep working with DSLR post a7r only due to the focusing limitations in low light.
No one loves d810. Most people will toss the clumsy giant out of the window had they been presented smaller high res camera with working AF.These segments also do not require huge lens systems – a 50, a 16-35, 70-200 and one of 100 135 or 150mm are more than enough. May be 24-70 may be not. So Nikon DSLR usefulness expiry may be closer than most people think
Great, this 50mp body will add more embaressment to the performance of the Zeiss 24-70, let alone the 28-70 joke 🙂
Or it’ll make them release better lenses.
Every lens I use with the A7r provides enough resolution. Certain LF lenses struggle, but they were made for films that are more than 10x the size of 35mm.
“A7x 50MP FE Camera to be announced at Photokina.6fps
Similar ISO performance to A7”
As you probably stated before,
& as I have been told by Canon employee,
there are always prototypes of all kinds
being developed that never get beyond
that stage because no one at the camera
company can figure out how to bring price
down to a point where a critical number
of units can be sold to produce overall profit…
We already have A7R for the resolution. Possible A9R?
I think I’m going to rebuy my A77. Sold my A900 and it’s the A77 I miss. Random thought….carry on everyone.
Why not pick up an a77II?
a77 or a77ii both have bad low light ISO performance. Noise starts @ 1000-1600. I would rather suggest some mirrorless 4/3 system, which have better low ISO than sony’s SLT line-up.
A77II low lightis 1 f stop better than a77 plus improved processing improves the performsnce a little more.
a6000 has great noise performance, i was very shocked.
It’s not impossible, it’s just unlikely.
Sony did make the 200MP sensor for Hasselblad so 50MP is possible for them.
sony did not make such a thing, inform yourself before posting bullshit like this!
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/hasselblad-h5d-with-sony-sensor-can-take-200-megapixel-pictures/
http://www.hasselbladusa.com/products/h-system/h5d-cmos-multi-shot.aspx
Inform yourself before you start posting bullshit. This is a rumors website, so be ready to have people speculate. If you don’t want to look at the official information and try to put two and two together that’s alright with me.
The reason for me posting is to get people thinking “Hey if Sony did this, then maybe it’s possible to do that…”
Oh and also here is a 54MP sensor rumor to get you thinking. http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-54-megapixel-2/
As I was saying in my 1st post. If Sony is able to make a 50MP sensor for another camera company, it should be possible for them to do it with the A series.
what you initially said was that sony made a 200MP sensor for hasselblad, which simply isnt true. hasselblad adapted their Multishot technology to the 50MP sensor of sony.
Thank you for the clarification and sorry for any misunderstanding. Overall, I`m kinda interested to see how the mirrorless camera industry will turn out in the next 2-5 years time.
200mp is achieved with a 50mp sensor.
Hasselblad makes 6 seperate exposures ,moving the sensor between each exposure and combining them into a single 200mp image…..
The sensor however is only 50mp
this technology is exactly, what I would like to get in the A7R!! They don’t need a new sensor, “only” some electro mechanics to move the sensor for the different exposures and a strong processor for handling the data.
here is more info on that:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/766903-REG/Hasselblad_70490520_H4D_200MS_Digital_Camera.html
and
http://www.hasselbladusa.com/downloads/datasheets/h-system.aspx
Till then I don’t need 50 MP in a FF body. For stills, landscapes and architecture I stitch up to 340 MP images without any problems and can use all my great lenses.
It is proprietary to Hasselblad…
50 MP would not be as good as 12 in iso performance, even it have a new bionz-x processor it will be more ugly digital grain noise, 12 mp has nice celluloid noise grain.
and it will be missing the great electronic silent shutter
my wish is 36mpx which is three layer 12mp a7s, NO more bayern interpolated “fake” color
ABSOLUTELY!!! But why 12mp? 50mp 3 layer with in camera down sampling for improved noise reduction when needed
Why to scepticism? This is exactly the sort of specs that are possible today.
Does Sony have 50mp sensor? YES
Can high MP sensors be down sampled for excellent noise reduction? YES
So why the scepticism?
In terms of E mount lenses in my opinion the market is being flooded with too many of the same wide, normal and portrait lengths that everyone seems to get so excited about…but none of the really interresting lenses..like 600mm zoom, 200mm macro, 100mm macro or any of the more specialized lense.
While E mount is clearly geared up exclusivelly for the mass market snapshooters…A mount is becoming more and more an abandoned system…only getting technical inovations after everyone else has already had them and is ready for the next round of innovations.
Heres an idea Sony…how about putting the latest technolgy and the most versatile system together?
And its going to have 2k RAW video with about 10 minutes internal recording and will be a brilliant camera for people who liked the old 16mm Arris with 400 ft magazines. Well, I can dream……
i’m curious… sony has a 50mpx sensor. There has been a rumour of a Sony MF camera. What if this rumour is someone who has seen a prototype of MF camera what Sony has kept small…?
Anything new about this rumors. I maybe think that there is something in it. Then they have damn good excuse to launch a new camera with much better battery and autofocus than the current 7,S or R bodys. I think they will fix thees kind of problems and give us a very good camera