A week ago Sony announced the RX100M3 and Sony A7s. In the meantime the RX100M3 got a high demand warning at Amazon US (Click here) while the Sony A7s has no such warning. What’s weird is that Europe is the only area that still got NO official pricing for the A7s and RX100M3! something messy must be happened at Sony there! Here is the updated preorder list:
A7s and RX100M3 Preorders:
Sony A7s preorder in USA/CA at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), Sony (Click here), Sony Canada.
RX100M3 preorders in USA at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), BHphoto (Click here), Sony (Click here).
RX100M3 preorders in Eu at Sony DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, BE, AT, CH, SE, NO, FI, PT.
RX100M3 in Asia at Amazon Japan and Sony Australia.
Sony A7s EU pages (no preorder yet): Sony DE, UK, ES, FR, IT, NL, SE, FI, PL.
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RX1000M3 is a new model..
I’m really amazed how people love the RX100M3 , IMO I would buy A6000 or A5000 with the kit lens it’s cheaper, larger sensor , built in flash , better EVF , much better AF system , not that size different , A6000 is still portable .. maybe it’s not going to fit in your pocket but it’s still very small in size with much better features and yet cheaper than the RX100M3.. just a thought
Welll, I have the NEX6 and the RX100Mk2. I like them both, but I can understand why the RX100 III is selling really well. That small difference in size makes the biggest difference in the world.
so many man, so many opinions, isn’t it?
you must be smart and other people stupid ^^
Obviously you are one of those other people.
I was sharing my thoughts, I wanted to see why would someone choose the RX100 series over the NEX or A6000/A5000.
for @WML size is a big difference
for @rocknroll size and lens quality
Both have good points for their use
Pocketability is the #1 reason i’m considering RX100’s. The closest i can get to RX100 with A6000 is an extremely slow 16-50 3.5-5.6. RX100m3 outperforms A6000 in low light, which m2 and m1 come close, but have a longer zoom.
Keep in mind, that the 1″ sensor is only about 1-1.5 stops inferior to A6000, so a gain of 2 stops with the lens is a win-win.
For those who like to read only part of the message, by performance in low light, I obviously meant the camera + lens combination, and not a sensor to sensor comparison….
@ Stan: nothing prevents a user from attaching a fast and reasonably priced prime to the A6000. It will make the kit more expensive but also dramatically more useable – I would not consider the RX100 for its massive DOF weakness alone.
What I find disappointing about Sony’s NEX / Ax000 bodies is the lack of controls (ok, the A6000 is a bot better than the NEX 6). Panasonic did a marvelous job on the GX7 where a clever combination of direct controls and a very useable touchscreen create a powerful product. The Sony does look sleeker but it’s less useful (I have used all of the products I have mentioned above).
You guys must not read. I did say pocketability as #1 point. If I want a big fast lens on a camera, I will not use a tiny E-Mount body. I’ll go for my A65 or will buy myself A99
you repeat yourself and we have noticed it, thanks for reminding us.
I just replied to a few people at the same time. Its surprising how some people can ignore a part of someones argument, just so they can make their own. As if the point they are trying to make isn universally known by pretty much everyone.
I agree with you, if GX7 had an APS-C sensor, I would go for it right away, it is the perfect body, silent shutter, at reduced speed, and mechanical shutter up to 1/8000th, and touch screen, flip EVF, it has all we dream about and that Sony seems not to be able to realize.
Price is the #1 reason I’m not considering RX100s. For pocketability I can get a smaller Canon S100 or Nikon P330 used for a lot lot less. The astronomic price for what otherwise should be a nice picture taking mass produced consumer luxury toy puts this Sony in a peculiar niche, at a time when is a whole lot of competition for recreation dollars, including cameras with greater image making quality, bowling, fishing, archery, watching tv, golfing, playing catch, or any number of other leisure time hobbies.
S100 doesn’t come close in ISO performance, sorry. RX100 performance is 1 stop better in chrominance and luminance, and 2 stops better in black noise. The only thing S100 has going for it is price.
RX100 target camera is G1X, not S100.
That’s until you put a better lens on the A6000 then it’s loose/loose.
Please learn to read the very first line in the comment. I did say pocketability as #1 point. If I want a
big fast lens on a camera, I will not use a tiny E-Mount body. I’ll go
for my A65 or will buy myself A99
No, then it’s a win/loose 🙂 If you put a better lens on a6000 both price and size go up, but you will get better quality than from RX100m3. Lots of people considering RX100m3 has a good camera system allready, but want a camera that fits in a (big) pocket.
and is honestly priced, RX100-3 is overpriced.
You won’t always want to shoot wide open..
In that case it becomes even more irrelevant. When small size and quality is what i need, i’d go for RX line. If size is unimportant, i’d flip back to A-Mount. Sorry, don’t see a single reason to get the E-Mount unless someone is after a kit, that is a bit smaller than A-Mount.
no need to be that mean to me 🙁
rx100 is a lot more pocketable camera than a nex and has no real competition in its segment.
Many people including me already have a mirrlorless camera (sony or other brand) and while alpha 6000 is a good camera i don’t see the need of buying another nex just for having a faster autofocus.
You could post this reply first instead of your mean reply.. Ok I get it now you already have a mirrorless camera.
See .. It’s easy to share your opinion without aggression
I have a NEX too, and DSLR’s, but still I would not buy an RX100-3 unless it drops at least 250$ in price, the amount it is overpriced with.
XAVC-S and SLog2?
I forgot about video difference, maybe because I’m not interested in video stuff
Does the RX100 iii have SLog2?
they are different cameras, I would chose RX100 to have a compact camera that I can have in my pocket all time and since -3 version has a viewfinder, it makes the camera complete. You can not compare A5000 and 6000 to it, both have a much better IQ and are more versatile, but are bigger in size.
Now, why would I not buy a RX100, any RX100? Simply because they are all much too expensive, you do not get what you pay for, unless you think it’s worth the money, for me it is not, and here we swing on the same wavelength as it seems.
The rx100 series uses exmor R backlit sensor..the shorter microlens results in higher iso for a smaller pixel.
The current C size and ff sensors Sony uses are exmor.
This is a less advanced technology.
The rumored curved sensor will be Sony first full frame exmor R sensor.
I do not expect sony to do so but putting exmor R in ff or C …A or E mount would allow much higher resolution while the new diffraction reduction feature would improve lens performane at those higher resolutions.
I believe Sony may bypass this particular technological advancement in favor of going directly to stacked sensor tech.
For me this is aliens language :/
I don’t understand those deep tech stuff , specially that “shorter microlens” term
With a back illuminated sensor the light absorbing layer is clser to the front surface. Therefore the microlens layer is thiner similar to a shorter focal length lens.
Therefore the microlens admits more light with a smaller aperture.
That means the pixels can be smaller and still maintain a similar iso to a larger pixel exmor sensor.
Hope that helps.
“clser” is that Hebrew? they use vowels only.
If you buy an a5000 or a6000 and only intend to use the kit lens it would be inferior to the RX100M3 when it comes to image quality.
You will get slightly shallower DOF and the lowlight performance will be better with the RX. Yes, it’s a smaller sensor with inferior ISO performance overall (just over a stop), but the f/1.8-2.8 lens is two stops faster. In fact, the RX is nearly a match for an A7/28-70 combo in terms of low light performance.
Keep talking, a body and a good prime cost not much more than RX100. Now come and say that a prime is not zoom, then I say, “how do you want to put a good prime on RX100. RX100-3 is at least 250$ overpriced. If for you it’s worth 800$ buy one, many of us wont while for 550 we would.
I will be using £ to buy mine 😉
But no, I won’t be buying one at current launch prices. The other two RX100s dropped significantly a few months after launch, so I will wait until then.
Like I said everytime, if you don’t like the specs of the RX100M3, then it is not for you 😉
You are right .. It’s not for me .. Only RX series I care about is the RX1 maybe.
I was sharing my thoughts that’s all
buy other pants, in the pocket of mine you can put 5 Nex with pancakes.
5 Nex bodies with pancakes and walk like robocop
Any new entry level A mount rumors??
It’s that pop up viewfinder. That’s all it takes- a simple innovation to get people clamoring.
Will wait until my local Sony store has the mk.3. Amazon and Sony has improved their timing with their first batch but I’m not going to preorder something that I haven’t tested yet. Wondering how many of those preorders are going to be returned (reviewers, people that just want to try it once, etc)
“What’s weird is that Europe is the only area that still got NO official pricing for the A7s and RX100M3!”
It is possible that they are busy printing the manuals (haha) for them in all the languages. 😉
Is the atomos recorder available in the EU for preorder? Without that this A7s is less than a “gadget”.
It is the reason why Sony cams are so expensive in EU 🙂
Well, they could ask Nikon, Canon and others how they do it and still keep the price on par to their Japanese prices. 🙂
because they can…
Amxon.de did a “blitzangebot” of 24-70/4 FE zoom for 899 Euros (everything sold out). Why can’t Sony? They will still make a healthy profit while selling stuff instead of holding onto their inventory at 1199 Euros/unit.
I can’t for the life of me imagine why there should be a larger demand for the A7S when it’s not even a finalised production model yet and there’s nothing remotely like an independent test report available.
Of course you might say (almost) the same of the RX100 M3, but that’s essentially an evolution of an existing model with an EVF and a faster lens and a few other tweaks. You pretty well know what to expect, whilst the A7S might yet yield some surprises.
@ Admin
Please could you tell us / more about the upcoming two A Mount FF cameras A88 and A99II at photokina or summarize in an entry what you already know or heard what they will probably feature….
Thanks in advance!
Cheers!
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Waiting for A9999XIV.
euuhhhh ….. nothing, don’t mind
RX1000?
I think he is giving us a hint about that compact crop sized sensor camera rx1000 lol. I would like to have a 24mp sensor with a fixed 35mm f2.8 or bigger aperture lens please!
I highly value Admin’s rumors and the amount of time he puts into adding fresh content so I’m ever so polite to ignore his poor proofreading. I was sorely tempted when he wrote this in his last rumor though: “According to Dr.Photorumor and Nikonrumors the camera will sue the same Sony A7r 36 MP sensor …” ;^)
A simple typo gets your panties all in a bunch, get a life.
I understand where you’re coming from, but you can value a creator and still critique his work. No artist is going to object to an honest critique. No writer would (I should think) object to simple proof-reading. If you’re honest and respectful they’ll probably thank you.
Also, ignore people who treat you like you’re a pedant. This isn’t nit-picking, it’s service. We both care enough about this writer to help him find the mistakes.
Im afraid most of the ‘artistry’ here goes to generating commission and profit. Hence the nonnews bait posts like this. Anyone can look up amazon salea rankings.
A7s is a specialized camera at a very high price point.
Waiting for reviews from beta testers is a wise thing to do. Add to that the imminent 500$ price drop in the following months and you can see why the low demand.
Still at 11th place Amazon Compact System Camera so cannot say low demand.
11th place for a specialty camera is actually quite good I think. Still waiting on some serious hands on reviews.
That sums up where I’m at. Given the rapid price fluctuations on the existing A7/R I’m not surpised that many are waiting.
It’s less than half the price of the Nikon D4S. Honestly, a lot of people here want everything on the cheap (so do I), but this new sensor and the technology behind the camera seems to be quite good. And the competitors pricing isn’t really appealing.
High demand warnings on amazon arent news or rumors. Come on admin
It seems reasonable that the A7s would catch on only once people start using it, especially in the event videography business where it’s special low-light abilities will come handy and blow the competition away.