The Sony 36MP sensor was already powering the Nikon D800 (Image Source: Chipworks).
Sony is rumored to launch one (or maybe even two) new Full Frame A-mount cameras soon (likely this summer before Photokina). But before that Nikon will announce their new D800/E successor camera in June. According to Dr.Photorumor and Nikonrumors the camera will sue the same Sony A7r 36 MP sensor and overall the camera will feature a lot of small improvements and no real new big feature (like 4K or so).
There are a couple of interesting aspects of that rumor:
1) Nikon will not get a new Sony generation sensor (we were used before with Nikon FF cameras getting brand new Sony sensors 6 months ahead of Sony itself).
2) Nikon will not add 4K to their pro FF cameras. If Sony A99II will have 4K this will be one big unique selling point for Sony.
Can’t wait to hear more about the A99II. Some hints from my trusted sources maybe? 🙂
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That’s because that sensor can’t do 4K read out. Unless Sony do a new sensor for the A99 II that won’t have it either, unless of course there is one with the 12MP sensor from the A7S.
When would Sony be allowed to use the 16MP sensor from D4s or Df in their own cams? Next year or 2 years from now?
This 4K thingy is not going to take off for a while. If they are pushing this, they are betting on the wrong horse.
Even if exhibition in 4k for consumers will not be mainstream for a couple of years, originating your source material in 2k or 1080 is shortsighted. Most mid- level (on up) are originating in at least 4 now.
Other benefits beyond exhibition include: ability to zoom / crop with no loss of resolution, ability to heavily stabilize in post- production with no loss of quality, and the ability to have higher resolution sensors with full sensor readout without line skipping (12 mp sensor for 4k vs 3mp for 1080 both at 4×3 cropped to 16×9 to get to 8mp and 2mp, respectively).
This wouldn’t be an issue if people shot VistaVision from the start 😀
What to do when 8K springs forward?
You better have been shooting Imax.
All valid points but as Panasonic have proven with their GH4 we still don’y have a decent 1080p image that’s free from aliasing & moire. Plus the 1080p images we do have are light on bit depth & color information too.
If you listen to ASC cinematographers the reason they shoot Alexa 2K is exactly for the reasons stated. Rodney Charters made mention that the 2K image from Arri Alexa when uprezzed to 4K was chosen as more pleasing by the ASC guys than some native 4K footage.
A big part of the reason for the 1080 stuff not being great is the line skipping, pixel binning of the high res sensors to the relatively low res of 1080, but also the unwillingness of companies with higher end video camera offerings to cannibalize their sales so they don’t maximize the potential of SLR video.
Nikon should go all out with optimal SLR video quality since they have no video cameras to cannibalize.
Are those Sony sensors or Aptina?
Neither.
I don’t think they were Sony
Correct. The Nikon D3, D3s, D700, D4, D4s, Df, and a couple of the D3xxx sensors have all been Nikon designed, Nikon manufactured.
Hmmm, don’t think so Thom. While most of those are definitely not Sony sensors are you sure Nikon actually make them? And if so, why don’t they make their own crop sensors if they have such a capability?
“Make” is a tricky word these days. Nikon is a fab-less sensor maker, and they’ve used at least three different fabs that I know of for their sensors. When I use the words “Nikon made” I mean that Nikon designed the sensor, selected a fab to manufacture it, monitored that manufacturing, and did their own post work on it.
Nikon has also done post work on Sony-supplied sensors, most notably applying different Bayer filtration and microlens layers. But in those cases I still call them Sony sensors, as they were Sony designed and Sony manufactured.
We still don’t know the full details of the relationship between Sony and Nikon. The original APS sensor Sony made for the Nikon D1/D1h/D1x models was a Nikon design using Sony sensels. The on-sensor ADC on Sony sensors also seems to be originally of Nikon design. That close intertwined relationship seemed to end about four or five years ago. Most recently, Sony got PD-on-sensor IP from Aptina, who co-developed it with Nikon. Curiously, Sony didn’t get it directly from Nikon as before, which seems to imply something.
The really tricky part is that there are very few secrets in sensor designs now. First, there are only three main companies supplying the equipment sensors are made with, and two of those are Canon and Nikon, so it would be difficult to hide what you’re doing. Indeed, that’s where the original Nikon/Sony cooperation came from: Nikon Precision engineers were working with Sony to make the fabs do things they didn’t do before. Now we have sensor companies buying other sensor company’s fabs ;~). Happened at least three times I know of.
The result of all this is we have three different makers of 24mp APS sensors who have essentially identical performance products now (Nikon, Toshiba, Sony). Basically, all IP is propagating quickly in the sensor arena. And no, I don’t know how patents are being gotten around.
4k is huge among pros – the target market for an A99II. Canon and Nikon cannot compete with Sony video, if Sony would stop crippling the video capabilities of its DSLR’s it could really make waves. The A7s is a positive sign with s-log and the new codec.
Every production house and video pro I know already has a 4k camera or is buying a 1or 2 GH4’s. I sold my Canon bodies to go 4k as people have started asking for it. I’ve also ordered a A7s. If the A99II has 4k I’ll likely get one too. I briefly tried to switch to Sony when the A99 came out, but the video IQ was so bad it would have even a stills only camera, something I couldn’t afford when combined with the amazing ZA lenses.
I’m hoping Sony can pull off internal 4k in the a99II. It’s sorely needed to help get the format off the ground.
The D4’s sensors are nikon design and produced by aptina. Sony is not involved.
From the linked post:
“The new Nikon D800e will have higher resolution LCD screen”
That’s something I would really like to see in a new Sony camera. In days of “Retina” displays everywhere, it is an anachronism to still have 640×480 displays on high end cameras.
shame on them , but i think heat and battery consumption is the problem the new a77ii can do 480 shots or something :/
I don’t believe it is going to be a true D800 successor, just an update like the D4s hence the same sensor. These semi/pro cameras have at least a 3 year life span so I don’t believe we will see a true D800 successor until late 2015.
me like d’ new surface pro 3 🙂
Well, this has nothing to do with this article, or any Sony camera or sensor. smh
are you really sure ? really, really sure ? no. you’r not.
Yeah, I am.
no, you are not.
Whatever.
And packing the d4s’ AF system. Sony needs an a99ii sharpish.
Sharpish?
sharp(ish)
hä… nikonrumors here?… again don’t understand a post like this …
Quite simple. If you want to know what advances Sony makes with their image processors, look at what Nikon may bring out in the near future and hope that it will make it to a Sony cam in a few years.
The Admin knows how this gets played out. 🙂
4k, remove the mirror 🙂 slog2 and xavc-s please 🙂
Your are mainly describing the 7s.
🙂 add in the a6000 af and it’s the a99 mk2. Prob still have the mirror no doubt.
Except ibis for video would be very useful
So will there be a a88 and a99m2 or just an a99m2?
Having pre-ordered an a77ii, my wallet is hoping there won’t be an a88
I don’t think the A88 name would get past a marketing department. A and 8 sound too alike and then to have three similar sounds together.
Imagine how an A88 will sell in China though! They will be flying off the shelves like hot cakes.
Remember that the North American market is not the one and only in the world, we’re not the center of attention.
I just came back from Europe (20-day trip) and was super happy to see that in retail stores similar to BestBuy and FutureShop over there, SONY has a solid presence, with prominent model displays, while Canikon is relegated to the normal shelving units. Europeans also seem to appreciate SONY much more than north americans do.
Chinese still tend to stick with canonikon dslrs.
You can always say Alpha 88 (kinda like Delta 88)
From an english speaker point of view. In japanese or french (my language) it doesn’t sound the same.
True. The a850 was always a hard name to say. I just refer to it as “the 850” when I ask my assistant to pass it to me. The a900 however, I call it “the a900”.
If you look at the sensors that have been launched I would say sony will capitalise on the 36 mp for the A99II And the 12 mp for the A88 . A stab in the dark hear but I think the A88 will be as fast as the A77II at focusing ect and have 4K and fantastic low light performance
I will laugh big time when is A99MKII
welcome to nikon rumours. oh wait…
anyway, it’s just an S update but it’s a nikon S so it’s a SMALL update not like sony pseudo 4k & increased capabilities.
basically, same shit. rebranded and updated. who cares? just lower prices. not even built in wifi.
I don’t think 4k video should be considered a “big unique selling point” for photographic cameras…
And besides from that: even for consumer video 4k is more hype than value. Nobody has a monitor to view a 4k video…
“Nobody has a monitor to view a 4k video…”
Speak for yourself.
OK, you are the first 🙂
Well I’m yet to get one… haven’t been bothered!
Dell has a 28″ 4k monitor for ~USD580. Prices of 4K screens have dropped by around 4 stops since they were first announced! 😀
Besides from not having a 4k monitor yet which makes your answer to my post a joke: Your family and friends will then gather in front of your (maybe to have) 28″ monitor to watch 4k videos…..?
I would prefer 2k videos on a large 60″ (or more “) tv screen.
Are you aware that this Dell monitor won’t show a more detailed picture than any standard monitor if you are more than 10 inches away from its surface?
lol… inferring too much hurts huh?
My point was that 4K is no big deal any more. I’ve backed that up with facts.
“Are you aware that this Dell monitor won’t show a more detailed picture than any standard monitor if you are more than 10 inches away from its surface?”
If you want to grasp more you could always pause it and stick to simpler things like Hollywood movies LOL
The samsung is TN aswell but the colors are very nice! Way closes to IPS than standard TN colors. And as i said it has 1.07 billion colors cause of its new 10bit tech. I love it as long you use win8 because of the better scaling options. 160dpi is extremely small when it comes to text at 100%
ah… I should have looked at the refresh rates. Yes I had a play with one briefly at a store. I rarely use my desktop now to upgrade. I have a Dell u2711 which is very nice too.
I was on the verge of ordering a 50″ 4K TV not long time ago. They are still a bit pricey, but within my financial reach. But then I realized there is ridiculously little material available to really warrant a 4K TV (yet). I am pretty sure it will take at least a couple of years before 4K really picks up speed, so I decided to go for a decent HD TV instead. And getting a 4K TV for your own materal alone seems a bit obsessive. I will most likely not be filming in 4K for my own private clips even though I have access to the hardware. Unlike many of the 4K herd on the web, I have actually worked with the data from a 4K camera (Black Magic Production Camera) and the files are complete performance hogs.
I use a 4k monitor and i honestly have to say that its ridiculous how bad 1080p looks when i compare the 4k and my previous 1080p monitor
The truism that one cant tell 4k from hd at normal viewing distances has been disproved in every instance of actual viewing in my case. Can i tell my old hd 13 inch laptop screen from my new 13 inch uhd laptop screen apart? Yes as clear as day.
More resolution is useful for photoshopping and word processing and gaming too, not just viewing 4k video.
get the samsung 28″ one. it runs 60hz and 10bit technology for the same price!
Yeah I’d definitely go for an IPS one instead of the TN one in the Dell. Mentioned the Dell since it was the cheapest one listed at B&H.
A 28″ 4k monitor? That’s a joke, right? I wouldn’t even pay extra for 1080P for such rubbish.
There are mobile phones with 1080p screens and I don’t see you complaining?
“Nobody has a monitor to view a 4k video…”
Why do you think Sony necessitate the purchase of the Atomos recorder for the A7s? It is a recorder and a viewer. 😉
im currently reading your comment on my samsung 28″ 4k monitor. Your argument is invalid 🙂
I can’t afford it… It’s over $700 and it’s hecka overpriced IMHO.
Wait, it’s QHD!!! Let alone 4K. This is just ridiculous!
idk if this is sarcasm or whatever. potato.
I’m telling the truth. They are priced like that. US Doesn’t equal the rest of the world.
Ehm well its cheap. Thats what you ment? I got mine for 520€ shipped from Southkorea to italy
Well I guess I’m living in a non-tech friendly country…
i am agree on this. but 120fps720p is a must to add on 🙂
I’ve read/seen that a camera that has 4k can produce better quality 2k/1080p videos compared to non-4k equipped cameras like the 5DM3. See Camera Store TV review of the 4k GH4 for example
I want to thank Admin for confirming the 36MP a99II is coming out this summer. I just cancelled my a77II order on Amazon. I was likely going to do it anyway but this go me off the fence in a hurry. ;^)
Earl
I gave you some tips for handholding your long lens..just checking to see if you saw them.
Yes, I did. Thanks.
The Admin writes that are rumors are that a Sony will announced two FF bodies this summer as confirmation of the A99II and that it will have a 36 MP sensor?? At the vague level of these rumors the new cameras are just as likely to be released next summer.
He hinted that he’d sourced a rumor on a Sony FF in an earlier comment stream and was working on confirming it. This is his confirmation. Is this a slam-dunk? Nope but I’m fairly confident the a99II is coming out and it’s certainly a rumor worth waiting for. 36MP is pretty safe given the a7R and the Nikon rumor sourcing a Sony sensor.
Cancelling the a77II is no big deal as I’m sure, based on how much I griped about it earlier, people are probably shocked I even bothered pre-ordering one. I was holding out in some vain hope it would be better than I expected. It does look like a fine camera – so don’t get me wrong, I’m not trashing it – it’s just questionable as an upgrade for me.
Heck, I might end up with an a77II anyhow. Any a99II, as excited as I’m likely to get over the specs, is probably going to run $2,800-$3,000 which is a hard pill for an amateur like myself to swallow. But I expect the a77II to be a mediocre seller which, per Sony’s recent habits, will get discounted fairly quickly. Within a few months you’ll get the bundles. Within 6 months to a year it’ll be marked down to $1,000. 2 years from now it’ll be $800. Who knows, maybe Sony will smarten up and slip-stream GPS into it. GPS is dirt cheap, tech they’ve already successfully integrated in the a65/a77, plus complaints it eats batteries is silly since you can always turn in off.
Sorry Earl…The new A99II will have a 12mp sensor and lots of instagram filters. That’s just the way cameras are headed now.
If the new a99II has LTE so I can post pictures of my cat and selfies to #Twitter from anywhere I’m in heaven. ;^)
can anyone tell me what is the real advantage of sony alpha system to cinikon other than the slt and the evf ?
There are many, the first two that come to mind (in addition to SLT and EVF) are in-body stabilization and auto-focusing Zeiss lenses.
Also, the ability to use the 135mm f/1.8 Zeiss and the 135mm STF lens – unique to the system and unmatched by any other brand.
thank for your comment , i am doing my homework to invest in ff system , i have sony a65 and i will use it as backup camera but my problem with sony is it scary system , and the since i want to shot landscape i love the 36mp but since 2012 no alpha mount camera with that sensor , that what held me back from buying the a99 at that time i was disappointed little bit
Why not wait a little longer until 2015 when almost all companies will release new sensor tech and cameras.
Lol why not wait ’til 2020 while we’re at it : )
see i think waiting is not for pros but for me if i spend 4-5k $ on any system i will be stuck with it for 2 years a body and 2,3 quality lenses so nothing wrong to make the most of my money ( considering this is most expensive hobby i have , i want to go pro just to make money to buy other photographic equpment i want 😀
My wallet thinks that’s a good idea.
i am waiting right now to see where the market is going , i couldn’t afford nikon d800 at that time (and i had a sony camera so yah disappointed with a99 ) , i just want to make up my mind with certain bran to start invest in quality glass , mostly prims (sigma 35 art and sony 135 1.8 ) , truth to be said if sony didn’t have that 135 1.8 af and in body stabilization i was going nikon ,the grass is always griner in the other side 🙁
For the time being you could try out all brands that are of interest to you. Rent or just order online (with good return policy) and get an understanding in what ways brands and cameras differ. Maybe you come to a similar conclusion as myself – that differences are miniscule. Nikon has some problems with focus accuracy and skin colors, Canon has better quality control, but less dynamic range and older sensor tech in general (but nice lenses and who knows with what they´ll come up next year), Sony has interesting tech but… well, lens support is not as strong as with the other brands (and I think that Nikon is a little better in making the most of Sony sensors).
your like inside my head , i want to be able to use my camera to shoot wedding , portrait work too thats why i want to have fast Af that the only problem with the A7R but i may go and try it(only time will solve a poor man problem hhh photokina please be good 😉 , thank you for your response
E mount is not impossible for a pro to use but poorly suited to the task.
Not versatile enough. Just my opinion of course.
There will be a 36mp A mount soon.
If shoot landscapes and like using a 35mm lens Sony will probably be coming out with a curved sensor fixed lens ff …not sure how soon….it will used an assymetric version of the old 4 element symmetrial apochromatic lens desighn which despite its simplicity is arquable the best lens desighn ever made.
The sensor will be a backlit exmor R wich excells at small high ddnsity pixels therefore could possibly be very high resolution.
The exmor R has only been used for smaller sensor cameras which are much higher resolution than any ff or C sensor cameras and this will be the first use of a backlit ff sensor..backlt allows shorter microlenses therfore better iso with smaller pixels .
sony always have amazing tech , and keep inventing new products new sensors etc , but hope the steam line their photography line ( they are doing a good job with A7 serious , but here you have to buy a lot of cameras sometimes i dont know what i want really ! too many choices
the A7s (sensor with its limited af and mp you have 15 stop of DR ! (waiting for the review’s ) and clean 12800 iso O_O if true this will bring different kind of pics ),
IF there a99ii 36mp is really will be much appreciated if it had similer IQ to the d800e with IBIS and better Af
and you have the rumor about a medium format 50 mp camera
and this one your talking about
even if you get a camera every 2 year this is too much for my walit
i dont want all of them of course but i want the high iso , IQ …etc
in the other side canokin have more streamlined solutions 5dm3 is balanced camera for sure with all lenses available to it , here you have more than anticipated sony cameras and no a lot of lenses (or updates i dont know how much of current sony lenses will resolve that 36 sensor :/
Almost any good lens will.
Lenses are tested on available cameras and tedt scores cannot exceed that.
Actaul lens res is much higher.
Personall I expect to wait but everyone must decide themself
one thing i am not sure if its a true measure of lenses the dxomark for sony a99 for all lenses is relatively low for 24 mp and lower than 5dm3 d600 etc
i have two thoughts one is for a lens like sony 24-70 2.8 the a77 and a99 resolve the same mpix !
second is that this maybe duo to the slt mirror not the lens !
thank you for your time 🙂
Use test scores ONLY to compare lenses within the test group.
Actual lenses ALWAYS exceed the resolution of the test results.
Unfortunately many people FALSELY BELIEVE that lenses cannot resolve new better sensors because the test numbers are too low.
This is the nature of the TESTING NOT THE LENS.
i will take this in consideration , thanks again
in-body stabilization and less lenses and less third party support, e.g. no petzval lens… and bad bad bad flashlight support.
what is petzval lens ?? ,, all above are true , i need to make up my mind , coz i found the Evf more intuitive for shooting ( what you see what you get !)
but i want to know what do you suggest knowing all these drawback in sony system ?
I like the EVF a lot… I don’t want something else anymore. It works great in low light. But do you need it for low light photography?
i don’t do low light photography with the a65 it has noise sensor , i try it , for street at night no problem , one thing to add is that you can use the screen ! i mean its slt camera and i found the screen to be more useful to me when i shoot the stars coz when you put the camera on tripod and rise it toward the sky or at angle the flipy tilty screen is better than evf (and brighter and why break your neck ! , no optical viewfinder to compose in complete darkness so i just took a test shot and everything is ok
right… so you don’t need a Sony camera. If you want a small FF camera take the A7 .. it is not perfect, but the only small FF camera. If you want a speedy big camera … I would buy the new Nikon D4s
>no petzval lens
Yes, it makes the A-mount less attractive for hipsters. Sheeesh…
Good color, no ‘system color cast’.
Any Sony A-mount lens works *fully* with any Sony A-mount camera (mainly because all A-Mount cameras have a focusing motor in them – often not the case in entry level cameras in other systems).
Backward compatibility is so good that it probably a ‘system feature’ (hence fully working legacy Minolta lenses from the 1980s).
In body stabilisation means you get stabilisation on lens types where it just doesnt exist elsewhere (ultra wide, macro, non system lenses).
A-Mount lenses seem to work very well with other cameras (e.g. I have no issues mounting my a-mount Tokina 11-16 on a Panasonic GH2 for video, but read about issues with at least the same lens for Canon mount). A-mount lenses ‘just seem to work’ on other cameras given the appropriate (and cheap) manual focus adapter ring.
Sony seen as the ‘tech innovator’ (bad point if you don’t think the large form DSLR is an outdated concept, but you get things like a WYSIWYG EVF, innovative FF bodies in the A7, etc).
Oh, and have you ever been to Nikon or Canon rumors? Boring in comparison to the comment party at SAR. Thats probably a Sony-system advantage 😀
good points but the last one is absolutely hilarious hhhh canokion rumors are literally dead unless the have a camera or lens update but we have more than 120 comment on nikon camera hhhh i am checking SAR every day
really hope sony imaging team look at this site and think about the feedback
One of the new sony A mount will almost certainly use this sensor.
When the new 54mp stacked sensor comes out Nikon, Sony and others will introduce cameras using them at about tghe same time.
Canon will introduce thier own high resolution new generation sensor at that time or shortly after.
Other manufacturers are working on stacked sensors of thier own and will probably release them at around the same time.
We are talking about sometime in 2015.
This is based on my own assesment of the market that I originally began posting over 2 years ago. Not on information from Sony sources.
Recently I shared with SAR info given to me by sources that turned out to be false. Probabably deliberately given to me to make my oun predictions which have so far been almost 100% accurate less credible.
As you know my postings arecrefully followed by trolls and bullies that will do anything they can to make me look bad and they have gone to a great deal of effort to make me believe false informatiin.
I have returned to my predictions about Sony roadmap and will no longer believe thes people.
So you are saying that a troll impersonated a Sony executive and gave you false information?
I am responding to your comment because it is more polite than usual which I hope can continue.
I am NOT saying who gave me the false information but he called me and was told BEFORE giving me false information that I was going to share the info on SAR.
So the false info was deliberately intended to trick me into posting it.
I was under the impression that you called Sony and they called you back. If not, then somebody must have called you first, and if that is the case, how could you possibly believe it was Sony?
Correct they called me back.
Which is correct?
You called Sony and they called you back
OR
Somebody called you first.
If they called you back, then, assuming you called the correct number for Sony in the first place, how could it be a troll trying to make you look bad? Are you suggesting that you are so important and such a threat to Sony that they would go to the lengths of making a deliberate effort to discredit you?
Barry, please clear this up.
Are you saying Sony deliberately made an effort to discredit you because they saw you as a threat?
Barry, mate. I imagine that by now you understand that what you write here is not only very repetitive but also sometimes seen as inflammatory as it is widely perceived that you may have a mental health problem. I am only saying this because I am researching this field myself (mental health, not cameras) but I urge you to reign in a bit any urge to repetitively make claims that leave you wide open to cyber bullying.
Unless you are enjoying this, or you feel you need this, I find it hard to see how you feel you may gain anything by constantly argue the same point again and again. I don’t know to what end you want to pursue making the same, often sensational, comments constantly but you will never end up being taken seriously if you carry on. Often, you are more likely to be the target of mockery or abuse.
Your argument seems to be that if my comments are repetitive then I deserve to be bullied..or at least encourage the bullying…
I reject that argument..no one should be bullied and bullying should not be tollerated.
EVERY VICTIM OF BULLYING IS PERCIEVED BY THE BULLY AS DESERVING IT. The perception that bullying is the victims fault is unnacectable
Let me make this clear.
Bullying is 100% the fault of the person doing the bullying..not the victim.
I do not believe that you yourself are a bully…but acceptance of thier behavior or blaming on their victim supports thier behavior.
So….hypothetically, if there’s an idiot and he annoys the hell out of 99% of the posters and readers on a particular board, with repetitive, mindless, diluted opinions, every single day until otherwise normal, courteous people lose control and dive him a piece of their mind, that’s OUR fault?
You’re a unbelievable, Barry. Whoever sold your computer to you is the real one at fault. You should be in a padded room.
So….hypothetically, if there’s an id1ot and he annoys the he11 out
of 99% of the posters and readers on a particular board, with
repetitive, mindless, diluted opinions, every single day until otherwise
normal, courteous people lose control and dive him a piece of their
mind, that’s OUR fault?
You’re a unbelievable, Barry. Whoever sold your computer to you is the real one at fault. You should be in a padded room.
I am not blaming you. I am saying how things usually pan out on the internet. It isn’t too difficult to make a collection of offensive comments made against you. See James, MdM and Frank in this very thread. Yes, you are not to blame if you get bullied. What I ask you is, do you believe that the way you comment and address comments at SAR is really furthering anything for you? If not, do you expect one day to be able to say “you see? I told you!” and feel like you proved something to the SAR community? I believe that you believe pretty solidly in what you say, but I am more concerned about the stirred toxicity generated when you repeat a message over and over again. I am just hoping it is not affecting you negatively.
It is pretty sh!t, I tell you, but that’s just how the internet is. People will come after you. Damn, the reason why I am “Hendrick the Elder” is because I had a few trolls posting as Hendrick to discredit my comments.
To give in to people like this goes against my principles and therefore right or wrong this is a stand I must take.
For those subjected to this who are not part of it I appologize and would suggest possibly only reading my initial comment and ignoring the long stream of nonsence that usually follows it.
Not to pile on, but perhaps if you just stated your point rather than repeating the same message ad nauseum people might not feel the need to bully as much. As it stands, it seems like you post here expecting to (and perhaps in order to) stir up drama. Your posts often seem a bit more than a bit paranoid as well. I don’t know, maybe you’d be doing yourself a favor not posting or reading here for a while. This constant battle can’t be good for your mental well being.
I’ll grant you that you don’t deserve the reactions that you’re receiving here, and nobody should be bullied, but pick your battles. You’re never going to change everyone’s mind, and they see you as an easy target. The one person whose behavior you can change is yourself. If that means taking a break from SAR, then so be it. Just my 2 cents, do with them as you will.
I do just state my point once
Then I respond to all the comments.
As a typical example look at todays comments….I made only one single comment then responded to all these responses.
This gives the inaccurate impression that I am reapeating myself over and over.
In actuality I am responding to repetitive coments.
As I just stated in response to someone elses comment I will now say in response to yours.
My actual comments are no more or less repetitive than those of other people.
What is repetitive is my response to comments like these.
“Recently I shared with SAR info given to me by sources that turned out to be false. Probabably deliberately given to me to make my oun predictions which have so far been almost 100% accurate less credible.
As you know my postings arecrefully followed by trolls and bullies that will do anything they can to make me look bad and they have gone to a great deal of effort to make me believe false informatiin.”
This is the part I’m referring to Barry. Just about every post you start has something very similar to this in it. It’s repetitive and not really necessary, and I think it’s what a lot of people here are responding to.
So you definitely don’t repeat yourself when it comes to subjects such as stacked sensors, right? You’ve already chipped in on that subject on the latest news story regarding the RX100M3.
You can respond all you like to comments where you perceive you’ve been bullied, but you really cannot say you don’t repeat yourself without invitation or provocation, because you do.
Lotus your a complete loser.
If you think harassing Barry makes you look cool, then your fooling yourself. Most of the readership considers you to be a nothing more than an immature troll.
I think we’d all be happy if your Admin would find some way of blocking your future posts or kicking you off this forum altogether.
Until then grow-up
Hi Barry.
You are the god of fools, Barry.
Jesus you’re dense.
How can anyone possibly continue living on this planet who is so fuc*ing stupid?
Good god. At first it was funny. As the months rolled by it got annoying. Now it’s just pissing me off.
Just ignore it if it bothers you.
Yes, you, $hit head
Still it makes more sense than a useless troll like you pretending to be a human.
So maybe you should back off Barry @$$ hole.
Hi Barry.
Oh poor Barry, why do you think that a Sony exec who actually knows what is coming down the pipeline would tell you anything, let alone give you a call AND knowingly let you share it on a rumour site? Poor misguided fool. I bet it’s your astute ‘assessements’ of their business, they want to know how you know so much 😛
Mdb
This is a typical cyberbully comment.
Do you deliberately choose to be a bully or are you unaware of your actions.
Or do you actually believe that your victems deserve to bre bullied so you are performing a beneficisl service by bullying?
Sometimes the truth hurts. We’re not “bullying” anyone. You’re an idiot but ironically you’re too stupid to realize that. And it’s getting OLD.
QUIT SPAMMING OUR FORUMS WITH YOUR PSYCHOTIC B.S.!
GO AWAY. FORM YOUR OWN FORUM.
Guys…clearly Barry has some mental issues. Don’t be so rough. He probably cant help it. Dont be cruel.
Just ignore the guy. If NO ONE ever responds to him, he’ll move elsewhere.
My COMMENTS are no more or less repettitive than those of many people here and cover many topics.
For each of my actual comments however I respond about 20x to comments like this.
That is what is repetitive.
Without this type of comment mine would be a lot less frequent and repetitive.
If you actually do want to hear less from me then do not enpower me with this kind of comment to respond to.
If you really want me to go away ignore me..I wont totally go away but ther will be a lot less of me.
Let me see. Some juvenile sock puppet name calls, shouts in all caps, and screams for Barry to leave SAR and somehow can’t see how this is bullying? Really? Still not over (or out of) elementary school?
Hey, Socks. I wondered how long it would take for your buddy the puppets to show up after you started bullying Barry. You’re such an expert little juvenile troll I bet mommy’s so proud. ;^)
“Recently I shared with SAR info given to me by sources that turned out to be false. Probabably deliberately given to me to make my oun predictions which have so far been almost 100% accurate less credible.”
Just stop. You were never told anything. A Sony exec did not take the time out of their day to deliberately give you false information, in the hopes of undermining rumor websites.
You enjoy being the center of attention, and doing it with lies is simply annoying .
“Sometimes the best thing to say is nothing at all”
BARRY! GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL! YOU NEVER SPOKE TO A SONY EXECUTIVE.
YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK BAD BECAUSE YOU ARE A FRICKIN IDIOT!
END OF STORY!
It doesnt matter who told me.
I was told untrue information which I believed and posted on sar. Thats all there is to it end of story. Lets move on.
No one is trying to make you look bad. You need no help as you are doing quite well by yourself.
I believe it was someone on here that contacted you. If you look at old comments someone asked about you selling your house. Knowing my way around the internet I see how they found this out. I tried to warn you once.
I am not selling a house and if I was it would not be on sar
Do yourself a favour, and forget that it ever happened. It’s not worth bringing up on a forum that so obviously crawling/contaminated with trolls, and shills.
However if by some miracle if it does come to pass, don’t forget to rub it in.
But for now, pretend it didn’t happen. Consider it a LSD trip gone wrong.
Didn’t that sensor dude tell you it wouldn’t be ready till 2018…
You mean Franco the Phony?
Obviously i am not keeping up…:)
I actually had fun with Franco.
He did his homework an looked up real info on stacked sensors to try to convince me he was some sort of sensor guru.
So I had a conversation with him and tested him in the process.
He demonstrated absolutely no knowledge of basic color theory, light absorption,contaminant colors and incorrectly described the stability problem which is in the organic pigments themselves, not in the base layer.
He then claimed it would take till 2018 to resolve this stability problem…rather amazing that he knew how long it would take to solve an unknown problem.
So he actually did a good job of attempting to fool meand I suggest reading it.
As for me rerepeating his deliberate missinformation…I did that once I will not do it again.
Any future missinformation I post will be my own.
One point: so far Nikon has been using Sony parts that are uniquely identified (have a different part number than the one Sony uses). It’s unclear what the differences are, but one of the rumors about the D800s is that it gains about a stop in high ISO performance. Not sure if that’s at raw level or JPEG level, but if it were at raw level it would imply a difference in the sensor.
I’ve long suspected that Nikon is using different filtration than Sony on the same sensors. Whether there are other changes is unknown.
Thom, you should know better than to believe that there would REALLY be a full stop improvement between sensor generations of the same format.
Funny thing is, that was what I said about the D3s versus the D3 when it was rumored to have a one stop improvement. Lo and behold, it did. All I’m doing here is repeating the rumor, which was from a mostly creditable source.
Note that after Olympus did their gain tuning on that Sony sensor, it performed better than expected by a large margin. So I’m not going to rule anything out at this point. Thing is, generally the state of what we see today in a product on the market actually tends to reflect sensor state-of-the-art/knowledge of anywhere from 12-36 months earlier. In the case of the D800, the actual freeze on the sensor was in 2011.
Think the additional gain tuning that ‘everyone but Sony do well at’ is probably a moot point for the photographer with decent post-production skills. Sony RAW files can generally be pushed a lot further than most (especially in stills shadow detail, and Sony files tend to clean up very well in something like DxO prime because the input RAWs never compromise detail for noise – although JPEGS are a different matter!).. A good thing that Sony are much less agressive with in-camera tweaks IMO given that cameraRAW (LR/PS) post production on a PC gives a better final result.
No, it’s not a moot point. It’s too difficult to describe why in a short forum post, but there are a LOT of subtle factors going on, including math rounding errors that can be reduced. Over the over two decades I’ve been doing sensor-related stuff, I’ve seen three or four different steps forward in how the stored electrons are dealt with mathematically and how the data is placed in the bit field.
Nikon, for instance, has now dropped its “black clip” strategy, which reduced noise at the expense of giving a faux black value for things like astrophotography. You couldn’t stack out the black noise, because it was not a random bell curve.
The whole “linearity” and bit management thing is still evolving quite a lot, just as it did with audio as it matured.
Nikon’s are museum pieces, which is kind of like their owners.
I do not see any reason not to talk Nikon here, this article we are on is about D800 and Sony sensor. Nikon uses Sony sensors in about 90% of all it’s cameras. What got me away from Nikon as my main gear was the NEX-7 and it’s handling facility for most work in photography. For sure, if it concern handheld macro and sports shooting, I step over to my big DSLR, the weight makes it easier to keep the camera still while with NEX cameras i tremble. You need weight and as an old shotgun shooter I know about this issue.
Thom Hogan is mainly a Nikon fanboy, but not only, he gives his opinion on other cameras and never shoots down any product if there is not reason to do so. Now to say that he is a photographer and other are tech freaks is a bit too rough, I am sure that Thom does as many bad shots as any other experience photographer, I shoot myself with cameras since 53 years now, and not all I shoot is a success, with digital we have the advantage to have no loss in material anymore when a shot is real crap, and this fact makes all of us shoot a lot of crap as well. But it is often in that crap that we discover an amazing shot. Not all we do is made like in a studio, correct framed, all in the right place and sharpness where it should be.
Thom’s prediction concerning Nikon mainly, but also on other brands have been accurate to 85% until yet and I like to read what he tells us. Same counts for Steve Huff who has good relations with Sony, Nikon, Oly and Leica. We need such people and their opinion, most of us do not have time to investigate on this stuff permanently.
This said, nice to read you Thom, hope that you will report some day that Nikon brings us something we can title to be a real progress, not one stop better in the same good ol’ box.
I still use D200 and Fuji S5, and even if Nikon and Fuji has brought a lot of cameras, it are those cameras that bring me the kind of IQ I love, despite being limited to 600 Iso, or 1200 for the Fuji. A remake of D200 sensor, with 12 mpix in APSC and 24 in FF with that IQ and better high ISO performance would be nice, but let’s keep dreaming. The pixel peepers and video cracks are at honor in those days only, unfortunately. 120000 iso and 4k that’s the market trend now, so let’s hope this sickness will pass by soon. As Thom wrote some day, we bring all time new stuff while we have not even exploited and developed the one we have been on. Make 1080 perfect first, before thinking 4 k that no one really needs.
I’m guessing that’s intended as a dig of some sort, which indicates that you don’t value or attempt to understand history and thus are doomed to repeat it.
The Dude is obviously a Nikon guy that came to the wrong forum. I wouldn’t pay attention to anything he’s gotta say. He’s probably never operated or used a full frame Sony.
He’s just regurgitating more Nikon propaganda hoping someone will actually care.
Barry’s posts are allot more informative, and educational than this clown’s
Good to see you out on SAR Thom, I always value your opinion
The level of generational improvements is directly related to the maturity of the underlying technology, as the technology matures improvements become more incremental. A blanket statement of one stop improvement with each generation is not valid at the hardware level.
Processing improvements in both raw and jpg engines is directly related to the processing power of the new processor. Combining the improvements of both image sensor and image processor may or may not show an improvement of 1 stop, but that would be an arbitrary statement until measurements are performed.
Noise reduction seems to be the current fixation with forum posters and manufacturers know that, but one must ask the question, did this processed noise improvement effect other aspects of image quality? Likely yes.
I’ve not said that there is an implied one stop per generation rule. As a matter of fact, I mentioned that I was surprised when Nikon was able to do that with the D3 to D3s transition.
The source of the D800s rumor suggests that the improvement in that model is not due to post processing changes, though I have no way to evaluate that statement at the moment. Essentially, this is all second hand. There’s a reason hearsay isn’t allowed in courts, after all.
Still, we’ve had a few surprises in sensor movement over the years. Not expected things like what BSI does for a sensor of otherwise the same design, but outright surprises. So I’ll take a wait and see attitude on this one.
Rumor is out there, now we wait to see if it’s accurate.
Stick to writing about photography Thom. There are many exceptions to the hearsay rule in court.
Are you actually an Sony alpha user, because the majority of us here are getting pretty sick of you Nikon advertisements.
If I wanted to know more about Nikon cameras, I could have picked up a fuc*ing brochure
Maybe your lost. Look for the sign that says innovation, and turn 180 degrees an you’ll find the Nikon users support group.
What’s wrong with you? It’s the internet for God’s sake, it’s suppose to be open.
Well, now that Sony has deemed all their interchangeable lens cameras Alphas, yes, I’m an Alpha user ;~). I’m also an RX user.
Funny thing is, all you Sony fan boys don’t seem to realize that I’ve been criticizing Nikon for over a dozen years on the Internet and seem to think that only you have the right to post anything about Sony.
Just as I don’t have to read your posts, you don’t have to read mine.
This isn’t Nikon rumours, most of us are well aware of what Nikon offers, and we still went ahead and chose innovation over SOS cameras.
Most of us were, Nikon, and Canon users before we took the plunge.
I know that’s blasphemy, in your SOS camera world.
So, quit boring us already, most of us are having a hard time staying awake reading your posts/Nikon advertising.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Rex, show Tom some respect. He is a photographer while most of you who took the plunge for innovation are just tech/gear heads who like photography.
You’re all the same, hostile, angry, trolls who talk more about putting Nikon out of business than you do about the art of photography (light, composition, subject, etc).
Can we see the work you produce with your innovative Sony??
I love my a6000 to pieces but it will NEVER replace my D800e for landscape work, studio work when using multiple strobes, and focus speed.
Maybe I should start posting in Nikon forums how Sony will be out of business for not providing a stable platform that doesn’t change the mount every 2 years. Or I can go out and book more clients and be happy I make part of my living with my camera not my technology.
Enough with the cyber bullying. Nikon Rumors deals with cross posters, too. Basically, you want a place where Sony-only opinions can be posted, and you further seem to want only Sony-positive opinions at that.
That you can’t recognize that we’re attempting to have a discussion about whether it’s possible for the Sony 36mp sensor can see another stop improvement in a three year period tells me a lot. One would think you’d want to know if it’s possible that the A7r could get an update soon that gained a stop of improvement. Apparently not.
Nikon Blows.
I see. So Nikon blows and Sony sucks? ;~)
Not sure how this adds anything useful to the discussion.
Now, isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black
“It’s unclear what the differences are, but one of the rumors about the D800s is that it gains about a stop in high ISO performance. Not sure if that’s at raw level or JPEG level, but if it were at raw level it would imply a difference in the sensor.”
Not necessarily; Nikon and other manufacturers can and do noise reduction and other tweaks in raw processing. The sensor in the D800 is all Sony, nothing unique about its implementation in the A800.
Isn’t there a general concencus that Nikon uses weaker color filter than Sony, and thus gains some high ISO at the cost of some color accuracy?
D800 needs to be dethroned.
Will not happen unless Canon come up with something. Sony follows nikon’s steps – after 2 years.
Really? Don’t see a 4K 12MP sensor in Nikon’s lineup do you? Still see Nikon 1’s using sub-par 1″ sensor…
The new camera (A99II) will likely perform better than the D800 replacement. Sony is under no longterm agreement to supply Nikon with its newest sensors. I doubt they’ll give away their newest version, to the Nikon.
Sony will probably keep the highest performing 36mp for its flagship camera, the A99II.
May be yes as a video camera. But surely won’t as a still.
There is a nice gadget called Xperia Z2 that shoots 4K. Really nice. Check it out. 🙂
I don’t want 4k video in the A99ii…. IMHO, this is a useless expensive feature to anybody except professional videographers. (Anybody ever use their earlier dSLTs for 3D photos? Another fad that passed).
I also don’t want the A99ii to move up to 36mp — 24 is more than enough for a hobbyist. 36mp is for studio professionals.
What I’d really simply like to see is an A99ii built on the current A99, adding the upgrades found in the A77ii, and particularly a larger AF module — At a minimum, the new A77ii module but preferably even bigger, an AF module actually made for full frame.
So give me the current A99, with the more advanced type AF that can be found in the A77ii…. plus the bigger buffer, the stabilized viewfinder. Keep it at current video capabilities, keep it at 24 mp.
Or give us an A88 —- 24mp, with AF and buffer better than the current A99..
And give us an A99ii with 36mp and/or 4k. In which case I’ll buy the cheaper A88!
My fear is, if they do 2 new FF cameras — The A99ii will have a ton of features I don’t want/need, and be too expensive, while the A88 may be a downgrade from the current A99.
The A88 will likely be delivered following the A99II is launch.
It’ll probably have a (24mp) FF sensor, and deliver the AF, burst rate of the A77.
It won’t offer the burst rate of the A77 — Just as the A99 doesn’t come close to the burst rate of the A77. Not easy to do 12 fps on a full frame! And I’m perfectly happy with 6 fps…. I wouldn’t mind if they ticked it up to 8 fps, but really don’t need any faster than that.
But give me a better buffer, so I can actually capture 20+ raw shots before slowing down.
The A99 remains very close to perfect as it stands, the biggest drawback being the AF module, which is a pretty darn big drawback at times.
I agree. 8 fps would be more than adequate (and pretty much overkill) for a 36mp camera. I’m hoping the high ISO performance improves, but I’m not expecting any miracles. I’d be happy with a 50% increase, and judging by the A7s performance it looks possible at this point.
I actually liked the Idea of A88 plus A99II. But I think next year will be the right time for those. Sony should be patient and bring something that can actually move some Pros out from Nikon with an improved sensor. Some SAR readers said that Stacked Sensors can be possible.
I don’t really need a fast AF like A77II, nor do I need the burst rate of the A77. I just need a good AF system that copes with my needs.
In ideal world there will be two a99II models. S model with 12MP FF sensor, 4K movie and 400k ISO stillls. And R model with 36MP ssensor with max resolution. I’m also not interested in 4K movie, but I cry for better ISO/noise characteristics, among few other things.
Your right, a 12mp 4k version (with a built in 4k recorder), with a 12 fps burst would be an excellent edition for the video, low light photography types, and a 36mp version for pixel peepers.
Sony got burnt by not launching the A99 with its highest performing processor (36mp). Many A850/A900 owners simply didn’t upgrade, because the A99 did not deliver enough performance to warrant an upgrade.
Had the A99 been delivered with a 36mp sensor two years ago, it’s sales and market penetration would have been much better. It’s original $2799.99 price tag would have been justifiable.
I doubt we’ll see a repeat. Hopefully this flagship camera will be delivered with a flagship sensor.
you making a solid point , but even if sony come up with a99ii with that 36 mp which is what we want the original a99 to be , canon may came up with higher mp sensor ( a new flagship sensor ) and a99ii will be in the same boat as the a99 again ,.,. if that happen i will switch to canon with closed eyes ( if they bring a camera with much better IQ DR…etc )
Sony has plenty of current A-mount users to sell to. It’s not about taking away Canon or Nikon users. It’s about tapping into the large installed Minolta/Sony user base that has been dormant over the last upgrade cycle.
Delivering a camera with the kind of outstanding features that current users want is more than enough to start an upgrade cycle.
They’ll be the force driving sales
since i am new to photography ( 3 years ) i have no idea about minolta installed base – how much is big that instal base ,, ? anyway sony is capable to deliver , its all about how they think of the market are the going pro ff or just minor update , or MF hope sony clear there messege at photokina
We’re talking about hundreds of thousands of people out there ready for upgrade. There are currently estimated to be around 7.2 million A-mount lenses owned and operational. Assuming 6 lenses per owner, that’s 1.2 million A-mount owners using Minolta lenses alone. If less than 1/3 upgraded, that would still be a lot.
these numbers look amazing to me , i thought at best if there is 250k a-mount owners , thank you for that info
Source?
And one more thing – I bet most of the Minolta optics out there are forgotten kit zooms collecting dust in closets.
A850 user here…. 😛
game started, place your stakes –> the next Amount FF gonna be a “flagship” or “flagshit”?
I’m thinking they’re going to be on the mend this round, and give us what we want. I’m betting the A99II or whatever they call it is going to mop the floor with the Nikon.
If they don’t get it right this time I guess I’ll have to bit<h and moan like the rest of the whiners on this forum for another two years.
I agree with you on the a99II. Admin hinted in a previous post (comment section) that the a99II would take a bit of the best from the a7, a7R, and a7S FFs. I suspect we’ll see solid AF/FPS performance, 36MP sensor, and 4k (hopefully internal but wouldn’t get my hopes up too high). Plus I’d expect the other standard stuff and tweaks like WI-FI, GPS (hopefully they won’t muff this like the a77II), NFC, etc.
Reading up on the D800/D800E replacement (http://nikonrumors.com/2014/05/20/rumors-nikon-d800d800e-replacement-coming-in-june.aspx/#more-76550 ) it appears to me Sony has a great shot at 1-upping Nikon who isn’t going to include WI-FI or 4k in the new body. Really?
My requests for a flagship a99II (or whatever they call it) are as follows:
– remove the mirror! (and/or make a mirror lock-up mode with slightly slower contrast detect AF if fast AF can’t be achieved using screw drive lenses without the SLT mirror)
– spread as many AF sensors around the frame as possible! (to allow us to manually select a focus point outside of the central APS-C region or so that Eye AF can more easily select a focus point outside the centre region of the frame — it’s a full frame camera, it should have full frame AF points)
– allow the use of Eye AF for all A-Mount lenses right at launch (even Minolta and Sony/Zeiss screw driven lenses, even if it means that older lenses focus slower or if it means that Eye AF is slightly less reliable with screw drive lenses)
– allow multiple frames to be taken in succession with Eye AF, tracking only the same subject’s eye that was locked on to in the first frame.
– make one of the custom buttons that can be assigned to operating things like the Eye AF be the half press down of the shutter button and the button on the side of most expensive Sony G lenses and Zeiss lenses, usually reserved only for AF lock.
– have the camera shoot more than 5 or 6 frames per second. Give it something impressive like the a6000’s 11 fps if it’s possible (even if it drives up the price a bit — it’s a flagship after all, and it can cost more than a D800 or 5D MK3 but cost less than a D4 or 1D X so as to undercut its actual competition)
– make the EVF have much less lag.
– make the EVF’s display and housing and optics and eyepiece physically larger, giving users a high def retina view as large as a medium format Pentax 67’s view! Make users never want to go back to a piddly little Optical Viewfinder ever again rather than making users long for their OVF back when they switch to an EVF for the first time!
– allow full frame RAW capture at 36MP as well as a couple of lower res settings. Having the option to engage full frame RAW capture at 24MP and 12MP would be most welcome.
– have a user selectable quiet shutter mode. Sometimes professionals want the shutter to be loud so that the subject knows when each frame has been captured (like in a directed portrait). But sometimes it’s preferable to be stealthy. Heck bring out a global electronic shutter in the flagship that can flash sync at all shutter speeds if the technology is ready!
– have a native ISO of 50 (expandable to 25) so that fast primes can be shot wide open under daylight. Or have a top shutter speed of 1/12,000 of a second (like the Minolta Maxxum 9) or 1/16,000 of a sec if it can be done! Or give us both a super fast shutter and low ISO capabilities!
– oh yes, and announce a 35mm F1.4 Carl Zeiss T * SSM lens when the a99II is announced! That’s a focal length in SONY’s lineup that should really have a top quality A-Mount option.
Anyhow… If the a99II had all of these features, I’d buy it in a heartbeat. I know many of my requests are related to Eye AF but that’s because I think it’s a really exciting advancement in technology. I think it could change the lives of many professional portrait photographers, especially those of us who shoot at wide apertures and need to work quickly (doing photojournalism, fashion, lifestyle portraiture, or shooting at weddings). If Eye AF can work the way that we’d all love it to work, I think SONY would have a real shot at appealing to a huge number of Canon and Nikon users!
I agree with everything, but is Zeiss actually capable of delivering a outstanding 35mm f/1.4 for the A-Mount?
The current G-Series just needs an glass and body upgrade. If the current design were to include a half dozen high performance FLD elements (sigma’s new glass) at critical locations, SSM II, weather-sealing we’d end up with the performance we want, and the Minolta Blue colours we love.
I just want my 135mm 1.8 updated. I’d be happy with just that.
I wish I had bought one. I did a coin toss earlier this year and went with the 135mm STF which is an incredible lens, but I still want both.
After shooting with the new 50mm F1.4 Planar SSM for A-Mount, I lean towards thinking that Zeiss/SONY can do ANYTHING. That 50mm lens is a real gem. And if they could make a 35mm lens that was anywhere near as good as that 50mm is… I’d sell my Minolta 35mm F2 RS in a heartbeat! It’s good mind you. And even good in the centre wide open. But I’d love something that was just that little bit better. And with a colour rendition that’d match my 50mm and 85mm Planars. I guess a 35mm design would be based on a Distagon though. But I’m sure they’d make it match (in colour rendition) perfectly. That’s one thing that Zeiss/SONY really do right.
What’s with the 6 months? People keep repeating the internet meme that Nikon gets access to Sony sensors before Sony Alpha does, but the truth is that only the D800 with 36MP sensor was released well before Sony used that sensor and not by 6 months but roughly a year and a half. And according to Sony mostly because their first iterations (test bodies using the first generation) couldn’t sustain fulltime LV without possible overheating.
They do not seem to get it right during the first iteration but are too quick to bring out cameras based on them.
I took a look at the NEX-7 vs the new A6000 performances. Even the Cosina 15/4.5 and the 10-18/4 Sony zoom show no color shifts on the A6000! Remarkable advance at 1/2 the price! Do you think I will “upgrade” from my NEX-7 and NEX-6 to A6000? No, too much money tied up on those and it is better to wait a few months for a 33% reduction on the A6000 or wait another 8 months for the A7000..
Why wouldn’t Sony test their sensors properly before churning out various models? It might even help them!
One example doesn’t prove your generalizations either.
I shoot RAW only with my NEX-7 and I found no lens yet where I could not remove the CA with any rework software. So, 2 issues I care nuts about are fast AF, i shoot MF only, and second is CA, I rework all my shots with software. The only attractive part is the pricing, what is to my view ok, what is not ok is the fact that A6000 had to come in the NEX-7 body with tri navy system and leave that useless program selection reel where it was before. I do not see any reason to have a command outside that is set once a year and change almost never. So, price and format pk, fast AF for those who need that, a real bargain, but to say that A6000 is a replacement for NEX-7 is a crippled affirmation that fits this crippled body it is in. I would not sell my NEX-7, and if I did, it would be for a real replacement, one that Sony has not brought yet and probably will never bring us. Crippled company it is.
Talk about boring! Nikon is a YAWN fest.
Wow.
Ah nice, finally some good news. Oh, wait, isnt Nikon the one with all those old fashioned DSL… What was it… R,s?
DSLR I think it was called. It had a flipping flopping mirror that induced vibration in the camera, making it more difficult to take photos of wildlife and adding blur into the photos at slower shutter speeds.
It was mostly self defeating.
Yeah, Nikon still makes those things.
I come to this website to know more about sony’s upcoming imaging products and to read all the crap animalsbybarry write and the people getting mad at him lol. I love this website and Sony and all the sony users and haters lol
not just we get weekly rumors, we also get a lunatic who talked to a sony executive on the phone and writing down his own prediction about the giant company. we also have trolls and jealous DSLR users bashing sony’s technological innovation here. but who cares right? just enjoy your sony cameras and let them envy you.
99 reasons to hate this troll. Go to bully.com. It’ll send a real thrill up your leg, kid. I promise!
I understand that you were making a point, but that led to a real site, bullyland.de.
I believe, that Nikon is on the right track on it’s chosen path. They are now putting in better CPU, capable of faster processing of these huge 36MP files. I also believe, that knowledge from D4s. how to dampen and make the mirror faster, is also good thing.
Let us hope Sony has the sense to wait until 2015 for a new full frame. A mount just cannot afford rapid gear refresh cycles.
I know I’m really excited – extremely excited I should add – at the prospect of waiting until 2017 or later for another shot at an a77II refresh. 2020 would actually be better for me. ;^)
With appropriate (longer) development cycles, we can at least justifiably demand better – more complete products with significant advances each generation. Sony could streamline its R&D efforts (and maybe even do a little better on the lens side?!?). Hell, I would pay for a significant firmware update mid-cycle, if it meant they would apply sufficient resources. This whole “aaaaaaah – it’s been 24 months!!!! We NEED A NEW CAMERA NOW!” isn’t good for us.
Afraid to join in the fray and ask a question since if you put forth even a slight dissatisfaction with anything Sony you’re called a Nikon troll or a hater. And if you defend Sony you’re called a fanboy. You can’t win. But I’ve owned mainly Sonys my whole working life and have been alternately impressed and infuriated with them–and I’ve earned the right to declare my love/hate for my favorite “cripple-the-new-products-so-they-don’t-canibalize-our-old-overpriced-s—” money pit. I own an a99 as at the time of its release it was supposed to be the best still/video hybrid camera for filmmaking. It advertised loudly that it was the only full frame hybrid to have autofocus in video (which turned out to be God awful–worse than useless) and that even though it had a lousy internal codec it could output to Pro Res HQ on a Ninja 2 (which worked okay). Now if you love, love, love your Sony cameras for still purposes only, bless you and go with God–that’s great. But please for once don’t troll those of us who use the a99 for a reason Sony HEAVILY advertised–which is as a filmmaking tool.
That out of the way, as lover of the full frame moving image, here’s my wish list: Just as the a7s have different flavors and sensors I’d love for Sony’s next flagship camera to offer the same. Maybe 36mp (or larger) for those who do 99% heavy still work and some a mount version of the a7s 12 mp sensor for 4k filmmakers and low light photography. Why not just get an a7s? Three reasons: lousy AF, no decent internal recording, and no 10 bit output to an external recorder. I know event folks don’t need 4k just yet but in ten years 4k will be ubiquitous–so if for those of us aiming for posterity, don’t hate us for wanting 4k–it’s pretty damned glorious. Why don’t I just get a gh4 which outputs 10 bit? Well, I just saw a demonstration of it last night on the big screen and under optimal conditions it looks great (can even go toe to toe with the Red Epic) but it samples such a tiny part of an already tiny sensor there’s only so far it can go if you aren’t in brilliant light. If Sony ever put some version of its drop dead brilliant 12MP sensor in a real flagship camera with real output and A600 quality AF they’d leave all the other competition scrambling to catch up for the next three years. Anyway, that’s what I’d like.
just remember the next gen solutions for filmmakers is just not ready yat and the GH4 is the best bet right now ,i don’t like small sensor as a photographer the gh4 show the same dynamic range and iso as my a65 in the dxomark test and that is triable in low light ,but i think for the money of a7s +gh4 is better combo than canon 1Dc or fs700 or c300 !!!
the gh4 is even better than BMCC4K if dont need raw !
i am with you is sony introduce the same a7s sensor inside a99 body with 10 bit output that is a dream come true ! even for 3500$ (sony is extremely stupid if dont inter 5dm3 market with that )
Amen!