In early February Sony will announce the new High End APS-C E-mount camera. This one camera will replace both, the [shoplink 14167 ebay]NEX-6[/shoplink] and shoplink 8454 ebay]NEX-7[/shoplink] models. I have been told the camera body only costs around 800 Euro. The camera is said to have a much faster AF, faster imaging processor and improved Image Quality and EVF. It will be in Stock for April.
The cameras coming after it are the A-mount cameras (April?). What I am still not sure about are the releases of new RX FF and Full Frame E-mount cameras. I got info about these two cameras but I am trying to check when this stuff will be announced.
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I would say $899 for regular version, $1199 for “type R”
isnt that how Sony does nowadays?
About the NEX6/NEX7 replacements. If they remove the anti aliasing filter, the R version could be the same price if it’s the same sensor (RX1, RX1R). If it’s a higher res sensor without the filter, it will probably priced higher. If there is an R version.
If its not weather-sealed or full frame then it’s a waste of money. Save your money (sell a kidney, lung or your big toe) and buy an A7 or man-up and get a A99.
I might buy one for my dog to chew on. Squeak squeak.
Not everyone wants full frame (if you can believe it). Different tools for different folks.
For my immediate use I would prefer APS-C as it will give greater depth of field in macro shots.
If I did more shooting in low light, full frame would be better.
+1
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I need both my a99s repaired 2 times after 40000 shots. Service changed already motherboard and sensor. They will also replace sensor on other camera which shows errors writing photoes. Also i will add that my a850 worked fine for 3 years without any problems. I used it realy hard 120k shots.
Thanks to sony service cameras were repaired in 7 days.
Cameras are good but if sony do A9 4k Amount i definetely switch to new hardware.
Motivating others to sell individual ideas? Nice try!!
I agree. I don’t think Sony would leave the 1000$+ segment empty. Maybe sony was waiting for other camera makers to make announcment and see what happens. Maybe they pushed back the flagship APS-C camera to photokina to release something that would compete with other camera makers (weather sealing, IBIS, robust pro level body, possibility of adding a grip).
Maybey the regular 800 euro one will be more of a Nex 6 successor and the at a Nex 7 successor with a magnesium alloy body and weather sealing.
Good price range!
But still no specs???!!!
Given that it’s sony’s flagship APS-C, a “cheap” 800 euro body is not looking good for the future of the now dead NEX line.
No spec yet could suggest that there is little new. That would be surprising from Sony, who has focused on innovation recently. I would be disappointed if there were nothing new (faster AF, better ISO, A7 menu, wifi/nfc, touchscreen) UNLESS Sony finally decides to release some lenses as well.
I think the main thing this year is putting the new Bionz chip in all models.
Very likely there will even be an A3000 successor with the new chip some time.
LOL, A-mount is dead, NEX is dead, everything Sony makes is dead!
Any idea if if uses the A7’s EVF ??
So ONE body to replace both 6 AND 7 ? That makes very little sense, which model is it gonna take its design cues from ? Flat top plate with flush wheels like the 7, or raised mode dial like the 6, with no TriNavi ?
I know which I won’t like.
ANd I know which I wouldn’t buy 😉
Is it possible that it could have both?
Err… You cannot have *both* a flat top plate and raised wheels, they are mutually exclusive ??
What I meant was, TriNavi, with both raised.
One for program mode the other for exposure comp.
Think of the Nex-6 with two top dials.
You can have a sort of flat top plate with raised dials. Sony could just use the top plate from the A7(r) (which still has tri-navi like capability, but including mode dial and EC+- dial) and than make the body a bit higher from the hot shoe on to the left side. Basically a Fuji X series top plate. I highly doubt it will be a NEX-7 styled top plate. Although very modern and sleek design, they said the NEX-6 was very popular and Sony may take some design cues from the NEX-6 to the A7000.
It makes perfect sense. They’re streamlining the naming convention and not adding/maintaining a million new bodies.
If you bring Nex7 up to Nex6 technology then design aside, the only real difference would be an extra dial and more MP. The trinavi will undoubtedly go through to the new model and as for more MP, it may have a higher base of 24MP (compared to 20MP in A5000) like the A7 anyway. If not, then expect a higher MP R version if 4MP really makes a difference. Best of both will go through to it such as Nex6 mode dial and hotshoe.
As for the price segment above 800 euros then they can always release R versions or a lower end full frame.
One big question is how much better the AF will be. Any chance it could approach A77 performance? My guess is “unlikely”, but one can still hope. Should be better than the Oly EM1 . . . right?
Admin, how long before we get some spec detail?
Thanks.
Hat off if it can beat Em1 AF speed!
Probably not realistic.
I think most of us would be happy if you can match the EM-5.
My problem with the NEX6 was not the AF speed, it was the accuracy. Even spot AF gets distracted by bright backgrounds with high contrast. I have not tried the EM1, so I don’t know if it has the same issue. But the A58 spoiled me. It is not much faster than the NEX6, but the “keeper” rate is higher.
The E-M1 is excellent for static subjects but then what camera isn’t a couple of small fractions of a second either way seldom matters in this scenario. I am disappointed in the C-AF of mine I had really hoped for more in this area. Top end mirrorless C-AF is pretty much entry level DSLR . Though the E-M1 has plenty going for it.
I wasn’t expecting this. Looks like I’ll have to prematurely sell my 7 since its second hand market value will drop worse than its ISO performance after iso3200.
You weren’t expecting the oldest product in the lineup to be replaced by a newer model?
I wasn’t expecting the new model to be much cheaper than the older one.
Hopefully it takes the NEX7 design.
I wouldn’t like the EVF being placed in the middle.
AF performance of the A77 would be great.
Let’s wait for the real specs.
Agreed, killing off “NEX” seems to mean “no more rangefinder designs’. I guess I will have to stockpile used 6 and 7 or migrate to Fuji if you like that type of design.
No news about the viewfinder is what worries me.
Cheaper than expected. It’s a good thing that Sony has seemingly dropped the high ‘early adopter tax’ (at least for E) that you see with every other manufacturer.
Price makes sense – price it too close to the A7 and there’s only 1 contender…
Cheaper is great… but actually scares me. It’s like they’re dropping high expectations along with the higher price tag ?
I agree, this is a bit worrying, particularly as the A5000 saw a price increase on the NEX-3N to $600
They say Euro 800 which probably means a $800 US or $850 price tag if we take the normal exchange rate
This $200 or $250 price difference means:
– plastic body construction
– No NEX-5 replacement as there is no ‘room’ for one between these two prices
Sony will obviously be keeping the ‘good build’ for the Full-frame cameras… except the A7’s seem to not be that well built and are busy failing at the moment
Let’s hope the new camera at least has a rangefinder styling and doesn’t adopt the ‘faux-DSLR’ look which seems to be all the rage at present
‘faux-DSLR’
To be fair the DSLR design typically gives better handling and ergonomics its no surprise that in most mirrorless ranges their top model has this faux-DSLR design.Then is a faux-DSLR design any worse than a faux-RF. For long lenses in particular the central EVF is more useful than the one stuck in a corner
The fake pentaprism requires a larger case for transportation and basically gives the mirrorless camera the same dimensions as a small DSLR
I and many others bought mirrorless because I wanted a small body – otherwise we would be enjoying the superior AF and lens ranges that the existing DSLR systems offer us…
Exactly my thoughts.
Please sony, release 4k…
Would be nice but perhaps a bit optimistic.
The current version can barely handle 1080 (50p) without overheating after 20 minutes.
Most likely the next generation after this one.
Please, Sony, support UHS-1 cards…
I’m really curious about a new RX1 and even more about the monochrome camera rumor of some days ago.
I am wishing for either other lenses or phase detect on sensor.
Not more than 24MP, 5-axis-stabilizer, full sensor readout for video and XAVC codec please :p
“Not more than 24MP, 5-axis-stabilizer, full sensor readout for video and XAVC codec please :p”
You might get some of this, I am on the fence on greater than 24 MP, Sony may leave it alone at 24 adding PDF, drop back down to the new 20MP sensor, or go up to 34MP, hard to tell.
IBIS, no
FS readout. They are doing this on 1-inch sensors now not sure of horse power needed to do this with an APS-C, might still be a bit above the electronics capability.
XAVC very unlikely, but clean HDMI out is certainly possible.
Is it “between” NEX6 and NEX7? Is a79 “between” a65 und a77?
That would mean we cannot expect:
2. SD-Slots
Watersealed?
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Why should a NEX-6/7 successor have 2 SD card slots?
My guess is that the A79 will be below A77 as far as camera build goes, but will have significantly better image quality. Sony will release a low-end FF A-mount to dil the gap between A99 and A77.
Had my screen protector for the 7 replaced and when the salesman peeled it off, it left this residue on the edges of the screen. It looks like the screen protector used some sort of shitty glue and its left stains on the LCD screen which I cannot remove. I can still view images on it, but im really sad its left these marks from an obviously inferior screen protector. The thing is I bought the 7 from a sony shop in singapore and they put on the screen protector as a freebie. Bastards. Even if I wanted to sell the 7 for this upcoming one, the value is going to be way down. Fuck you Sony Singapore shop.
Any ideas about the ff e mounts
? Anything? How will compare to a7r?
they will not replace the A7-A7r.
FF monochrome? 🙂
54mp A9r or A7M (Monochrome)?
Will consider both. 🙂
Are the new e mount full frame cameras the cheaper and smaller models you rumored to be coming out eventually Andrea?
I think I would actually appreciate an NEX5 type FF without an evf, but have that option to add one on. A small body would suck for using any type of FE zoom but primes should be do-able 🙂
I wonder if it will be 16 or 24 mp. I find it odd that it’s being released soon but it hasn’t appeared at the usual government radio agencies. In comparison the A5000 was there from 20-26 December.
The A5000 is 20MP, so the next flagship can only retain 24, or go higher, no ?
Yeah, I can’t imagine it having a sub-20MP sensor. Even A3000’s 20MP sensor would be disappointing, if it’s supposed to be replacing the 24MP NEX-7. So I would say a 24MP sensor that’s newer/better than the NEX-7’s. I would also assume that it keeps the NEX-6’s PDAF.
I would expect a 24 MP sensor similar to that in the NEX-7 but with redesigned microlenses and PDAF.
36 MP would be nice (for me) but I don’t expect it.
Initial rumors don’t sound very promising.
Why? All it said was that there was one body replacing both the 6 and 7, and that there will be improvements. It’s not really well filled out, rumor wise. I don’t know what to think about the camera, until it’s actually available. Until then, my NEX6 works wonderfully (for my purpose) and will continue to do so even after this camera is released.
Agree. While I think the price point is sweet and makes a lot of sense marketing-wise in a mediocre world economy, some specs have to give at that price point. I really expected Sony to have 2 e-mount bodies with 1 in this price range and another hovering around $1,000.
I really expected Sony to stuff their 36mp (or wasn’t there a rumored 32mp?) into the NEX-7 replacement. Looks doubtful now but just a better 24mp architecture like the a7, while a nice upgrade, looks less ambitious than I expected given all of Sony’s leaked hype over big leaps coming. All the folks hoping for pro metal weather sealed bodies probably will be disappointed at this price point as well.
Obviously, reacting to the dribble of fuzzy rumors is a bit silly (but fun, hence why I do it) but the roadmap appears to be the APS-C NEX replacements are targeting mostly serious amateurs with the a7R Sony’s nod to pros & semi-pros.
Well, the entire roadmap hasn’t been leaked out yet and hopefully the February camera show will spit out some official announcements. There’s still an open question, IMHO, if Sony plans to push some high-end pro a-mount stuff. Unfortunately, I don’t expect much dribbling out from Sony on FF a-mounts until after February. Future FF a-mounts are either an issue they’re struggling with or it’s a low priority back burner project because I’m not reading any love (just a lot of cancellations like the a1x) on this rumor mill.
will it be high end or low end? In other words, will it be more like the 7 or the 6? Maybe I should sell my 7 now.
I like the price tag but at the same time it scares me. Sounds more like the camera would share more genes with the 6 than the 7. Will we have to say good-bye to Magnesium alloy body, Tri-Navi and a flat top and have to say hello to a more conservative layout in a plastic body? Gone with the price tag are also any hopes for water sealing…
I’m particularly worried about the Tri-Navi. Could be that Sony finishes its genius experiment and tries to fit better into traditional photographers desires. I, for my part, don’t understand the hype around a mode dial. Besides being useless to me (I barely ever change from A mode), I find it annoying when settings can be changed while the camera is off and being transported. In my view, Tri-Navi leaves behind optimizations for old analog cameras and is much better adopted to modern digital cameras with their much larger amounts of settings.
So please, Sony, keep the design of the 7!
Makes a lot of sense, since the α5000 will come with a 20MP sensor already, so an improved NEX-7 would make the NEX-6 unnecessary anyway. Great news, but loving the NEX-5 form factor I’m still hoping for this α5 here to come: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/the-super-compact-e-mount-full-frame-camera-patent
GPS ?
Antishake in body ?
You guys always talk about anti-shake in body. I still doubt that is physically doable in that small size with such a big sensor.
I agree.
But then I prefer it to be in the lens.
Give it a rest on IBIS, the E-mount line is not going to ever get it. Just like Nikon and Canon are not putting it in their DSRLs, it is in the lens.
so the new nex (last) will replace both nex6 and 7 i think they will be now plastic and an iso hotshoe with tri navi with an 24mpx sensor just like the prevous nex 5n/5r/5t besides this will be the last nex
The last NEX was the 5T ! The one yet to be release is already called A5000…
Right, the models will probably be something like this:
A3000: Entry-level with SLR-style body
A5000: Entry-level with compact body (replaces NEX-3 family)
A7000: A5000 plus mode dial (replaces NEX-5 family)
A9000: A7000 plus EVF and hotshoe, and possibly better sensor (replaces NEX-6 and NEX-7)
The A5000 is inferior to the NEX-5 in too many ways to be a replacement for it. It’s the NEX-3 replacement, but at a much higher price. This is very disappointing. And also surprising because the NEX-5 series is popular.
As usual they will remove the best bits from each body and throw them away to produce a cut-down cheap to manufacture model.
Where did they do that before that you say “usual”!? I mean NEX-5 series never got worse, only better with each model for example.
You’re new to Sony, aren’t you!
Hopefully it will get the new 3.8m dot EVF!
So at 300€ premium from a5000, this does not seem like a big upgrade. EVF, better AF, more dials and you’re pretty much done. I hope this is body only, because I would like to see an updated sensor or even 4K (not very likely).
The merge of 6 and 7 seems like a logical move, but I do believe 6 was a better seller and the price suggests that the successor will be more of a 6 than a 7 (which I actually prefer, but that’s subjective).
Fuji XT-1 is looking better by the hour…
I don’t see how… The X-T1 is the opposite of the NEX-7, with its DSLR style and EVF hump. It’s basically a Fuji version of the A7 but with APS-C sensor.
Any word on if it’ll have a touchscreen?
How about some A mount specs?
I can see the Sony executive suite erupt in hysterical laughter. “Braahahahaha! A-mounts? You think we care about stink’n a-mounts?”
As I predicted – I’m hardly Nostradamus – after the a77 replacement was rumored to come out months after the a5000 that the other unannounced NEX replacements would come out first in April as well. Yep, more signs the a-mount is hated by Sony.
I heard a rumor that Andrea not only KNOWS about the new A-mount – but has been using the 36MP APS-C A-mount camera with 5-axis IBIS and their new 500mm f/4 G for 4 weeks.
However, he refuses to post the details… Admin is hiding them from us intentionally… because you spam every e-mount post with demands for the A-mount specs(which he knows about, has and is clearly hiding from us)
If you watch the chimney all night – Santa won’t come!
I dont think Andrea knows anything about the new a mount camera( mayby reverse phschyology will work)
So why do you ask him then?
Minolta gave us the ‘secret handshake’ lens and now Andrea is playing with the Sony ‘secret handshake’ body. Got to love it! 🙂
No…he doesnt know anything…thars why he hasnt said anything.
Sorry if it wasn’t clear I was joshing. The Minolta ‘secret handshake’ was a myth. 🙂
The a7/a7R look like Sony’s big lineup changes. All the next NEX replacements look like fairly simple upgrades though merging models leave some wondering if some stuff isn’t downgraded a bit too. If I’m up on the latest a77 replacement rumor Sony isn’t going to amaze us there either. Isn’t it likely now to stay SLT?
If Amin knew any new a mount specs he would have told us …so he doesnt know any specications yet.
What’s A-mount?
People used to complain the NEX7 was priced too high. Now that the successor may be priced lower is a turn off for many. The Canon 70D is priced lower than previous top end Canon APS-C cameras and it was quite an improvement over the previous generation. Didn’t see a lot of complaints about that.
We don’t really know what the final pricing will be. There is still the NEX5T that is also due for replacement (the A5000 replaced the NEX-3N). Do people want a 5T replacement without an EVF or with an EVF (keeping the touchscreen). I’m not too sure what the new APS-C E mount camera lineup will be, so it’s prudent to wait to see what Sony is actually going to be doing.
Honestly, can we wait until more concrete information is available before we criticize/hail the camera?
By the way, the A7R got a gold award from What Digital Camera. Just goes to show you, different people have different expectations.
a7R will probably get a gold award from DPReview also. It was a7 which got the silver award.
DPReview knew that giving gold award for both a7 and a7R will not make their readers happy. So a7 silver and most probably a7R will get Gold.
Hi, any news on whether sony are going to make anymore dslr shaped e-mount cameras?
I sincerely hope the A9000(?) wil have a touch screen as well as retain the pop-up flash.
Hope to see the to be announced(?) bright(er) standard G zoom as a kit lens too.
A better EVF and …
Whatever … just take my money !
My only prayers are for A) Cleaner image at higher ISOs – with their (bad) software noise reduction off. B)Lose the AA filter, thin the UV/IR/microlens layer C) Keep the Tri-NAVI
I will guess that we get – at best – 1/2 of these things. (Slightly better noise performance)
Hope they keep the NEX-7 form factor. While I enjoy the mode dial, I think the tri-navi is a better deal when shooting. If they can put a mode dial along with tri navi, then I will be really pleased.
A mode dial might be useful if it includes 2 or 3 custom modes. But generally, don’t most people stay in one mode all the time ? My NEX is permanently in A mode except on very rare occasions.
I’ve been holding on a new camera purchase because of this.
This should be an easy to task for Sony. Take the NEX-7 with it’s magnesium alloy body and add those features that were introduced with NEX-6 (Wi-Fi, PDAF) but were not available with the 7. Borrow the menu system from A7. Then improve everything slightly. And to make your customers happy, throw in GPS and water sealing (splash resistancy) and you’re done.
Then we would have an APS-C camera with magnesium alloy body, 24 MP sensor, good EVF, good AF, Tri-Navi (or similar), good menu system, Wi-Fi, GPS and water sealing. That’s all!
But knowing Sony, instead of asking 100-150 euros more, they will make all kinds of compromises with the body quality and features to get to their price point, make the body DSRL-style so we can all look “pro” and keep the old menu system so people will be instantly familiar (or frustated?) with it. Then they will have all kinds of delays so the camera will probably be in the shops earliest in September and to make things “clear” Sony will call it something like the “Sony Alpha ILCE-7600-K Mirrorless Compact System Camera”.
Me, I will probably buy the Sony NEX-6 after waiting over a year for nothing.
It didn’t surprise me Sony was whacking some a-mount bodies like the a65. It is surprising me Sony is merging so many mirrorless APS-C bodies but it’s becoming clearer they’re pushing economies of scale focusing on what sells. While many here lust for magnesium weather sealed bodies it doesn’t appear where they see the market.
Good observations, Earl.
I know this, but I think Sony is missing the point here.
First they released the NEX-7, which got good reviews but sales where probably not so good. Why? Because the price was high and there was no lenses.
Then came the NEX-6, which was cheaper and many ways better than the 7. Sony should have updated to 7 just to bring it on par with the 6, but they didn’t.
Then came the A7/R. A wonderful camera, but again the lack of native lenses and the considerably larger (compared to the NEX cameras) size might be putting some people off.
For me personally, the biggest issue was the A7’s sensor size in crop mode and the the A7R price.
I can’t believe that I’m the only serious amateur photographer who wants a compact +/-$1000 camera with a lens selection that you can’t count with one hand and and feature set that is on par with today’s technology (GPS, anyone?).
Comment fail… I also was trying to add I sincerely doubt the a7000 (or whatever) will deviate much from the NEX-7 body design.
RX10 APS-C 16-50mm F2.8 when? 🙂
Yep, was hoping for something like that in a just slightly bigger package than the current RX100/100 II. Will most likely remain a dream though….
Please improve file management. There is so much to do:
– put each photo and video file in their own folder
– use an alphanumeric and/or random numbering scheme
– give us a new button/ shortcut for instant memory card wiping
– reintroduce connectivity via serial cable (might then just drop silly USB, WiFi and stuff)
Hold on! Wi-fi is very useful, at least for those of us with tablets etc. I get much enjoyment from quick wi-fi transfer after some shooting to see results & so do clients/models who can see pics right away. If you don’t need it, fine. But it’s 2014 now. What the hell is serial ? … Oh…. HA HA. You got me 🙂 nice one.
I am happy. My wife is not…
+1
“16-50mm F2.8 when?”
Yes, when ?
I hope it would become a kit option, but even @ full price
would be fine as well.
A terrific new E-body without faster zoom (2.8-4 or similar) makes less sense than before ever since the RX10.
16-50mm F2.8 would be very welcome – if it’s not a crappy motor zoom.
– I wish 24mp, no aa filter
– A7 menu please, no NEX menu
It will not have NEX menus, NEX is dead, and its menus with it. The newly announced, not yet released A5000 has the new Alpha menus.
I like the Alpha menus. That being said, how will they handle the Playmemories apps?
800€ ???
I hope that doesn’t mean a “cheap” plastic body.
Of course not, it means a quality plastic body with cheap circuit boards and sensor.
Well, if I knew a full frame option would be available in April or mid summer I’d sell mine right now. Any word on release dates? Crop doesn’t really interest me. I think my A77 is absolutely fine for 90 percent of what I do. I’ll live with the few shortcomings and pocket the cash for the FF. Dates please.
need gps built in, you can turn off if u dont like.
need 240 fps in 720p, or 480 fps in 480p.
+1
Agreed with higher fps! But I really doubt that Sony can deliver us that…
I am *really* curious whether Sony will resist the trend of Retro design now so obvious with Fuji, Oly and Nikon bodies.
I hope the NEX-7 design will be kept mostly asis with better grip, bigger EVF and tochscreen.
At least as important (for me) … what will be the lens-kit options ?
So they’re shrinking the scope of both the E-mount AND the A-mount…interesting.
Looks like all the “A-mount is dying” people now have something else to add to their repertoire. “E-mount and A-mount are dying!” LOL
Probably smart on Sony’s part, I say.
I wish they will make an APS-C version of the A7 in the body of the Nex 7 in other words, everything in the A7 like weatherseal, NOT much plastic, etc.. Indeed for 800 euro i think it s fair to only change the form factor and the sensor of A7…
NO MORE PLASTIC please !!!
Improved IQ – unrealistic, may be JPEG only, this would not be so hard, since NEX-6 and NEX-7 JPEG engines are crap. And peak performance should be even worse in fact, due to PDAF. Unfortunately, it is pretty clear we have no room with CMOS and bayer.
Some people have missed the point. Sony views the camera market in a spectrum, not in sensor sizes. I’m pretty confident that Sony looks at markets not products.
The NEX-7 filled their high end enthusiast market, which is now filled by the A7, ie the Nex 7 replacement is actually the A7. They recognize that they need a top end for the amateur market, and this top end should naturally leave a gap between it and the next model up (A7).
P&S upgrader, enthusiast/pro-am, pro
a3000, a5000 aimed at P&S upgrader (formerly this included the a37/57)
a6000 will be the high end of this, addressing the top of the P&S upgrader and the bottom of the enthusiast market.
a7 and a7R hit the middle and high end of the enthusiast/pro-am market
It is yet to be seen if Sony makes a push into the pro market. There have been rumors, but nothing serious.
It seems obvious but this new APS-C model will likely be rangefinder style, mostly plastic (because it can’t be styled better than the A7), with a great EVF and new bionz processor. If it was metal, weathersealed, with instant and perfect AF, with flash, it would likely eat into A7 sales.
That’s why all camera makers are going out of business. They can’t innovate, but at the same time they are afraid of eating into their own sales, so they keep pushing out mediocre products.
Very good point, and I partially agree. I would argue that only Sony is innovating. Of the major camera companies, only Sony is really pushing boundaries (maybe in the wrong direction, but…)
See:
QX10/QX100
RX1
A7R
Dreaming of a Nex-6 in Nex-7 body, with faster AF and with GPS.
That would be a buy for me!
BTW, it is clear mosaiced CMOS has reached its limit: no noticeable progress since Pentax K-5 and Nikon D7000 times in APS-C and Nikon D3s in FF. This means we have less and less reasons to buy new cameras nowdays, especially during economic crisis and common bias of general population to be poorer.
Even japanese cannot ingore this, so we will have large sensor cameras in the very near future, APS-C and smaller formats will disappear because they don’t give enough IQ bump over smartphones. And photography equipment market will soon return to the state it was in 80s: less and less people need bulky equipment to make photos of very good quality.
Should be interesting what kind of sensor Sony uses in the Nex6/7 successor. Considering the Sony-Nikon partnership it could be the same sensor as in the Nikon D3300/5300 (which despite the controversy I believe not to be some revamped version of the sensor for the Nikon D5200/7100 made by Toshiba, but rather a completely new design by Sony).
If however it is going to be another new sensor it should be interesting to see if Sony stays with 24mp on APS-C, or if they increase the mp-count this time.
Any idea if these cameras are likely to have full-pixel read out and decent codecs for video?
That’s the price of a second hand Nikon D600 full frame camera. Hard to justify the buy when you can have such a much better dynamic range, colour depth and iso performance for the same price. Not to mention the much wider choice of lens. some of them, much better.
Sure nex is about portability but that’s the same thing than comparing a second hand ferrari with a smart at the same price.
Sure there is the A7 and that’s really great even for an higher price. But that isn’t an option for any serious photographer due to the lack of lens choice. Specially a wide angle zoom lens. Sure you could use some nex lenses on the A7 in crop, not at wide end anyway. But would be like having a ferrari with a speed limit of 50km/h. Ok you could use an adapter and use alpha lenses but that would be just stupid because you would lose all the portability advantage and would add an extra cost and even reduce the performance.
I had a nex 6 that I sold to buy a D600. Would had love to buy the A7 but there’s no lenses. I could use a backup nex but for 800 + lenses that’s a no go. It’s just too high.
I just hope A7 gets much more lens options, and also a lower price tag on those lens.
Why would I want a camera that sprays and oily residue on the sensor (fixable by Nikon), a problem that Nikon never fully acknowledged? I understand why you would prefer full frame, but some people like APS-C cameras. Now, the D610 fixes the oily sensor issue, but it has not sufficiently come down in price in the used market. As with everything else, things get cheaper as they age.
the oil issue is a non issue because only a very tiny fraction of the cameras have that problem and the ones that have it are fixed by nikon at no extra cost.
about second hand it was just an example but for 950€ you can get a brand new D600 sealed in box with warranty. That’s just 150€ more and gets you full frame.
Plain silly to compare a used fat FF D600 and a not-even-released slim APS-C NEX7 successor and concluding that the latter isn’t worth its money.
Plenty of serious photographers can do with limited lens choices. It is about needs, not about seriousness. And your comparison is strange. Why bother with a D600, when you can buy a D700 for even less, which is better built? Or simply invest in a Canon 5D, sure, a bit worse, but then it is dirt cheap. Looking at it this way, not a single current camera is of interest.
care to share for example how do you shoot real estate interiors with small rooms with a lens choice that the widest one has a minimum focal length of 24mm?
or how do you shoot sports without a telephoto lens. like people surfing at 500meters distance on a beach with 70mm lens?
please enlighten me. you’ll save tons of money to every photographer worldwide.
And why not a D700 or so? because I’m comparing it to the A7. And those are not comparable. Check specs prices and capabilities and specially available lens.
The Nikkor 14-24mm f/2.8 is a perfect and very nice lens for the A7 too. A7 plus lens is still cheaper and lighter than with a Nikon camera. Autofocus certainly should not matter for such a lens at all.
You compare the price of a not yet released camera with the price of a previous generation used camera.
If you wonna do that, you can have a used Nex-7 for USD 500.
Yes, for UWA Sony is very uncompetitive. But if the 24mm is not enough for you, you can do buy a Rokinon 14mm plus adapter (or do you seriously need AF on 14mm????) and the A7 new for what, EUR 1300 + EUR 350 + EUR 50 = EUR 1700 vs a Nikon D610 for EUR 1550 without any.
If you have already a Sony 17-35mm or 20mm, with adapter the A7 is still cheaper and smaller than any other FF (Leica not counting for price reasons – and yes, there are maybe a bunch of Zeiss UWA and other MF gems out there for the A7 as well).
One question: why is 800 Euro considered “too cheap”?
A Sony a7 body is already available under 1300 Euro. And it’s not going to be $800 in US dollars. Possibly close to $1000, just compare the a7/a7r prices in euros and dollars. $1000 is the max they can ask for an APS-C body, considering the existing fullframe models – it’s still more expensive than the NEX-6 was at launch.
You are citing street prices. The a7 started at 1600 euro. For a NEX-7 successor to start at 800 euros, when competing models are above 1000 (and also the NEX-7 itself), does seem somewhat strange and one wonders if they have cut any corners.
But street prices are what matters today, if you’re choosing between available models. Who would buy an APS-C body for 1000 euros if they can get a fullframe a7 for 1250? I guess you’re saying if they announce it at 800 euros, the street price will drop as well, but with the NEX-6 and NEX-7 it didn’t happen very quickly.
If we are talking purchasing, sure, street prices are what matters, but then not a single new camera would be worth it. Why buy a Fuji X-T1 for 1200 euros? Why buy a D7100, when you can get a D600? However, I think this is a different discussion. If Sony makes a great camera for 800 euros, I’d be really happy and probably many others, but looking at competitors’ prices (the upcoming X-T1, maybe the OM-D1 etc.) it does seem low.
Still, if we take your point about a7 being cheaper and look at the starting price (still cheap for a FF), it does make sense to have a somewhat cheaper APS-C flagship.
Thing is plain simple: If you want everything we want to be in there to be in there, 800 Euros is almost certainly a bit too low a starting price:
– 24 MP or more
– better low light performance
– better EVF
– Touchscreen
– faster and OSPD-AF
– higher video framerate
– WiFi + GPS
– no overheating issues
– magnesium alloy body + wheels
I guess that sums up to a 1k starting point quite easily.
That feature list for 800 EUR is certainly not asked too much for compared to existing models. Actually 24mp increase would be the only real new thing… Everything else just upgrades to the latest existing state of the art. Yes, touchscreen should be definately in the flagship e-mount APS-C model. Even the Nex-5 has it. And yes, leave out the AA filter. Shouldn’t cost anything extra. Whatever, happy with my Nex 5xy for APS-C usage anyway.
Why is so hard for folks to recognize that not every photographer in the world wants a full frame camera?
I just don’t understand the logic of assuming that EVERYONE shoots the same thing as you do . . .
I want a crop body no matter what the $$ issues are. Is that so hard to accept?
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Disclaimer: I have a NEX-6 and I’m not buying into Sony fullframe as yet.
What I’m saying is that the new fullframe models are priced relatively low, so it’s natural that this pushes the APS-C prices down as well. And that’s a good thing! Unless this new camera is intentionally crippled, which would be shocking considering that it’s supposed to be an “APS-C flagship”. So my guess is rather that this will be a decent upgrade but not a revolutionary one, for which 800 euros is quite reasonable.
Is it going to have the same or more moiré in video? Clean HDMI out? Weather Seal would be very welcome and it better have a decent tripod mount and not have the rubber grip peel off after 1 month of using the camera strap.
Well still very happy with my NEX7 trinavi, magnesium body and EVF to the left. Just give us the glass. Hoping the macro 50mm really is coming Feb 27
I think Sony got the price right.
Remember that Sony is trying to gain more market share in mirrorless. so they need to attract buyers from competitors by pricing it right.
If sony announces this camera with real improvements over nex6/7 it will kill oly em10 (a step down version of em5) and Fuji Xt1 which is priced at €1200.
Of course the fanboys will always stick to their respective brands.
Let’s hope so. But I rather’d pay a bit more and get a complete package.
My fear is that it is going to be an updated NEX6, and the A7 is declared successor of the NEX7.
But we will see soon.
Finally! I hope it is worth the wait. Can’t wait to see the specs
The upcoming A7000 is going to replace the NEX 6, at $850 for the body and $1100 with kit lens. The NEX 7 successor is the A9000, due later this year for $1750 with kit lens.
with the news in Feb about those cameras, does it mean we will see huge sale on the NEX-6? lets say down to less than 450$ USD lens included?