The Korean website Dicahub made this lens size comparison based on the mount side and filter size of the new E-mount zooms. The original Sony leaked file doesn’t really show the lens in the right proportion. As you can see from this image the PZ G lens isn’t that big as on the Sony leaked presentation. And the Zeiss zoom is quite compact.
And these are the full lens specs via Digicameinfo. The new NEX stuff could be announced on Tuesday. Stay tuned on SAR!
- Spec of 16-70mm F4 ZA OSS Vario-Tesser T * E– 16 lenses in 12 groups
– Minimum focusing distance 0.35m
– maximum magnification 0.23 times
– Filter diameter 55mm
– Total length 75mm, maximum diameter of 66.6mm
– 308g Weight - Spec of 18-105mm F4 G OSS E PZ– 16 lenses in 12 groups
– Closest focus point: wide end 0.45m, tele end 0.95m
– maximum magnification 0.11 times
– Filter diameter 72mm
– Total length 110mm, maximum diameter of 78mm
– 427g Weight
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The 16-70 looks nice, great specs for a standard zoom! I’m curious about the price – if it’s below €800, it’s a great deal and I may pick one up next year – after getting the NEX-7 successor, the 50mm Touit and maybe a portrait lens.
Thanks Andrea for all the coverage here, keep the good news coming! 😉
PS: Why do all my comments need to be moderated? I thought only a few comments get filtered …
You got moderated because you wrote Touit.
Wait … What?
Tried to make a joke, apparently it failed 🙂
Oh, sorry. I guess I actually like the name Touit. 😉
16-70 is huge! and… f/4… no macro… 1000 euro…
yeah… they are unable to make compact quality zoom… chance.. if the price is this, then i’ll prefer FD 35-70 macro for sure..
I really don’t get how you can compare two completely different lenses. I can understand comparing the 18-105mm with the 16-70mm even though the additional 2mm on the 16-70mm probably is more useful than the extra 35mm on the 18-105mm.
Now the FD 35-70mm is not even close to being a viable substitue from any angle that I can think of. First off the 35mm starting means that this can never be a standard lens on an APS-C sensor as its a telephoto 52mm starting on APS-C.
Second its a very old optic and so I doubt it can handle the latest sensors resolution or the reflection of digital sensors.
Thirdly its a pure manual lens. Zero AF, no aperture control, no stabilization, no EXIF etc etc.
And lastly its not a native NEX lens so it will be a lot bigger in size AND you need a bulky adapter to use it.
Huge? you mean the 18-105mm?
The size of that 16-70 is looking pretty sweet.
The 18-105mm OSS PZ has poor close focus distance compared to the 18-200mm f/3.5-6.3 PZ OSS .
the 18-105 is very interested, i just hope it’s not too expensive… under 500 would be great.
Under 500? I wouldn’t count on that.
It is already known that it is under 500g. The spec is already on Sony Austria website.
They are talking about price not weight!
Try to follow !!!
I guess the 18-105 G PZ OSS lens will be more expensive than the 16-70 Zeiss. The power zoom motor isn’t cheap for a lens of this size. Just think of the 18-200 PZ lens which is much more expensive than all the 18-200’s with the same aperture but without the PZ motor, and as this one is a G lens, optical quality should be top notch.
About top notch quality, I wouldn’t hold my breath. It could be anything. Just look at SAL35F14G reviews and try to tell me that it is a nice lens.
zeiss, f4 and zoom under 500? Only if it that 500 is the number of gold bars 😀
he’s not talking about the zeiss.
A litle bit more then 300g. Is it too much?
The PZ18-250 cost over $1000 dollars. It’s a darn good lens, the best of the 18-250mm for the NEX (yeah, I’ve used them all and kept the power zoom version). The original 18-250 was also pretty good. As far as price is concerned, I would expect the 18-105 to be at least $800 and if it’s a great optic, the price would be worth it. Under $500 is unrealistic, IMHO.
I think you meant PZ18-20mm.
Never seen / heard of a 18-250 for NEX E-mount
Sorry. Slip of the finger. PZ18-200mm
Yes, I meant the 18-200.
Under $500 for a constant aperture zoom on NEX seems a distant dream considering the pricing of other NEX lenses. I would wager this would compete with the 18-200mm price. Maybe around $750/$800.
The specifications given by Digital Camera Info are those retrieved from Sony’s Austrian website, the links to which you gave us yesterday 😉 (“Sony Austria lists the new NEX-5T, Zeiss 16-70mm and 18-105 G lens.”):
http://www.sony.at/product/kompakte-systemkamera-objektive/sel-1670z/technische-details#tab
and
http://www.sony.at/product/kompakte-systemkamera-objektive/sel-p18105g/technische-details#tab
The 18 – 105 PZ would look very doable on a NEX 5N if it’s 110mm in length. It’s also less than half a kilo.
Could this be an allright-ish combination to hold with one hand? I actually do need that bit of extra focal length from time to time.
I hear people saying f4 is too slow at wide end.
AS long we shallow depth of field is not needed at wide end, only dark photography is.
But in 5 years from now sensor will be 1 or 2 stop better in low ISO so this lens is could be a good investment. I believe the “fast wide angle lenses” for dark photography isn’t a so strong argument.
>But in 5 years from now sensor will be 1 or 2 stop better in low ISO
2 stops better won’t be for sure, even 1 stop is unlikely.
Yes ok,
what I mean is you can improve sensor low light capabilities in the future but can not simulate the shallowness
Sure you can, and they will.
You just need the camera to remember as much as depth information calculated from AF sensors while its hunting for your focus target.
The an algorithm would isolate your main subject and apply wanted degree of gradual blur to the rest of the scene base on sensor info.
They just need to use proper CPUs in cameras and do the R&D on the software.
Then the can make small FF cameras.
Fixed aperture lenses at f8 to keep the size down.
Use aperture ring for software dof control when such a lens is mounted.
20MP FF sensor with 3-4 stops better light performance and thats th end for bulky cameras for 90% of people.
Yes. The lytro camera tend to do this a little.
But for video shooters, processing a minimum of 24 images per second it not accessible.
When organic sensors come, there will be a nice boost in sensitivity.
The 18-105 looks seems to be built far more for the e-mount videocameras than the NEX / ILC stills. I wonder if the e-mount still bodies can drive the power zoom function (perhaps it requires the added power of the videocameras).
The 18-200 power zoom works with my nex6 so I assume the 18-105 will work similarly.
Good to know, thx.
The zooms are too slow, not good for bokeh, and too big with such limited specs for the enthusiasts. Anything like a constant f/2.8 zoom would however be too unwieldy, and that is the fundamental limitation for NEX, defeating the primary purpose of a mirrorless camera, i.e. compact size.
Compact size is not the primary purpose of a mirrorless camera.
Simplicity of construction (fewer parts, no need for calibration) and flexibility allowing all kinds of optics to be used are more important.
Bokeh seems to have become a subject in itself nowadays.
If you can’t get bokeh at the long end of a 16-70mm lens, you’re doing it wrong.
However, if ultra-shallow and smooth bokeh is the main concern, a zoom will always be a compromise compared to a fast prime. You need to use the right tools for the job.
hope the optical quality of the 1670Z it’s great. Really like the zoom range, size and that it keeps the F4 along all the whole range. Probably my next lens.
the 16-70 is looking to be quite interesting, quite a high number of glass packed in that lens package 😀
I am 98% certain I will be preordering that 16-70.
Waiting for NEX7 II and see what price they offer on the 17-70 Zeiss..if similar to 24F1.8. Then I’ll get the prime lens instead.
F4 is slower than what everyone wants, but image stabilization should take away from some of the disappointment.
Glad I am not everyone then 😉 The other zooms in the same range (more or less) start at f/3.5 which is not much of a difference. A fast zoom would be huge and I for one am not looking forward to huge zoom lenses on my NEX. If I want fast I turn to primes.
But something on an average size would be fine, as I need a versatile fast zoom too cover on wedding shooting.
It’s hard shooting people on law light conditions as I don’t always like using flash too much
I would appreciate something like a 16-35 f. 2.8.
It would not leave my Nex-7 anymore !!
Yes, well, I don’t know what you consider average, but lets take an existing 16-35 f/2.8 a Canon lens, that one is 8.89 x 11.18 cm. It would be even bigger than the Sony 18-105.
Ok, so something like the sigma 17-35 f.2.8-4, that would be something I could easily deal with … Moreover than I have the sel 18-200 “first of the name” 🙂
This would be my fav lens !
I think Sigma spoiled zoom lens guys with its 18-35mm f1.8. Amazing lens.
The Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 has had me teetering on the fence for getting something like an A57 instead of a NEX-6 as planned… SO wish they would make that in E-Mount. I know there’s always the LA-E2 option, but not pleased with the double whammy of SLT light loss plus no IBIS.
I reckon a 16-70 f/2.8 will be triple size.
Full spec from Sony website:
http://www.sony.at/product/kompakte-systemkamera-objektive
Available in retail at the end of Sept
I really don’t like that the 18-105 is a PZ. UNLESS its easy to manually zoom. bc manually zooming on the 18-200pz is like pushing a car in neutral. I bet it would be a lot smaller and lighter if it had no PZ mechanism in it. Also without the PZ built in there would of been more room to make it faster. Sadly also both lenses cover only APS-C.
Same here with the PZ. Range wise I would prefer 18-105 over 16-70, but the PZ (okay and size played a part as well) turned me off the 18-105.
The power zoom is optional, there’s a zoom ring…
True, but if it’s like the zoomring on the 1650 it is still an electronic zoom so actually nothing more than “another” PZ method. I prefer real manual zoom.
I suspect the 18-105 PZ is primary aimed at users of the NEX-VG20/30, NEX-EA50, NEX-FS100 and NEX-FS700 camcorders. For video a power zoom is sometimes invaluable…
The 16-70 should be an upgrade kit for anything, for extra $100 or so over 16-50 PZ kit (18-55 should die). 3.5-5.6 3x zoom is a really tired recipe.
But I bet they want $1000+ for it.
The 16-50 is already a good upgrade over 18-55. You’re not going to get a 16-70 constant f/4 for a beginners kit lens because it would be a dumb marketing move. People at that demographic aren’t going to care about f/4 constant, they don’t even know what aperture is. That’s why it’s called a kit lens. If you want 16-70, go buy a body only and a separate 16-70.
I see the 16-70 being a good kit lens coming along with the Nex-7n.
A best offer than bundle kit which was propose last year : Nex-7 and 18-55 black version.
+1. If they make it a kit, it’d be great.
I’m so surprise we still don’t know full A3000 spec yet.
18-105 f4 ,for video maker is very good choice . But I will wait until I see comparison between zeiss 16-70 & 18-105 . f4 it is not what I wish to have but I hope to see very sharp sample straight from f4 .
Looking good! I hope they wont go over board with the price and the quality will be A+
The rumoured price of $900 for the olympus 12-40 f2.8 looks very interesting.
This fall those two systems will be compared more than ever because these new mid range zooms.
Andrea
Here is a size comparison with most the news lenses and some canon lenses at the end of the page :
http://dicahub.com/2013/08/23/leaked-nex-5t-zeiss-16-70mm-f4-oss-18-105mm-f4g-oss-50-f18-black-version
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I mean ” most of the Nex lenses”…
The Guy holding the camera (Gustav aka ijsvogel) is a forum member of Dyxum
It seems to be an orchestrated leak:
“paul , i play with it a hole weekend , together with a new camera…wow…i take a lot of picture`s with it , i shall place them here on dyxum over a few day`s….. ”
http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/cz-1670-4-for-nex-opinions_topic100564_page2.html
I have seen in some reviews of 10-18/4 that its OSS gives it a full stop advantage in lower shutter speed and makes it comparable to the touit 12/2.8. I expect the new 16-70/4 to have the same lower shutter speed capability.
Sure, for hand shake… Doesn’t do much for moving subjects of course.
I’d say definitely more than a stop.
they’re expensive, slow and pretty big…
I think that 18-105 P lens is kit for FF Nex. There is no any shots with known bodies with this lens. Plus, it’s G (high end) lens!
And 16-70 – will be kit for Nex-7 successor!
This is the answer on mystery why Sony runs two near focus distance lenses together and that why 18-105 has so great filter diameter lens – it’s need for FF matrix!
Sorry to burst your bubble but there is no way in hell the 18-105mm is a FF lens.
Look out for FF lens starting with 18mm and you will see names like 18-35mm or 17-40mm etc. If you start looking for FF lenses that start at 24mm, then you will see names like 24-105mm f4, 24-120mm f4 etc. Basically the super zoom FF lenses all start at 24mm and above.
About why Sony has two similar zooms both at f4 and having similar prices, well you got me there ! 😛
Ok. We’ll see who is right… I know that such focus range is too large. But 24-120 & 27-152 (18-105) are close to each other. And do you know any lens for future NEX FF (in physical resolution of the lens) that will be so good as G lenses or Zeises for Alpha FF in Nex lens line today? Do you? How do you think FF Nex appear without any professional lenses and zoom lenses for it at all? My idea appeared with great distance between 55 and 72 mm of lens diameter!
And one more thing: is there anywhere any info that SELP 18-105 is exactly crop lens (for APS-C)?
Let’s hope that in the future we can see the new 18-105 PZ without the power zoom in a thinner lens. Power zooms are heavier and slower than standard zooms. They are ok for video cameras, but I prefer standard zooms for photography.