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[shoplink 35425 ebay]LX100[/shoplink] vs RX100m3 by Camerasize.
One trusted source heard from his “Sony sources” that they are “field testing” a new RX camera. It’s a little bit bigger RX100m3 alike camera with larger sensor. The sensor size is said to be similar to the one used by the [shoplink 35425 ebay]Panasonic LX100 (images on eBay)[/shoplink]. But the camera is a bit more compact than the LX100. And just like it happened with the A6000 successor also the new RX100 large sensor camera “won’t release just yet, due to heat issues with the updated BIONZ X“.
UPDATE: Just lately Sony listed two new Four Thirds sized sensors with 16MP and 20MP. One of them could be used by the new RX100m4 camera:
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*cough* predictedthisrecently *cough*
🙂
Really? What’s your next prediction? Maybe you should start your own page. SonyAlphaPredictions… SAP…
He really did. Check his Disqus history. On the seventh day, his prediction came to rumored fruition.
Hahaha, wasn’t claiming to be the oracle or anything, just put a smile on my face when I fired up SAR this morning!
I hope they don t make it too big. If it gets into NEX territory then it s not for the pockets anymore, which is the point of a compact camera.
Cameras are made to hold in you hands and make pictures, not to hide in pockets. You’re probably one of those who argue that a camera has to be made to put in a pocket and then make you phonecalls with a 7 inch tablet.
From what tree have you jumped? Pocketable compact cameras are advertised and meant to be carried in pockets – they existed before mobile phones became small and handy. The other cameras you are talking about fall under the category of “other cameras”.
I think it’s a case of horses for courses, really. Eg I bought my mum her 1st camera recently. She hated the rx100iii, as she found it too small and difficult to handle, but loved the a5000 (which is still compact enough for her to drop in a bag). For compact, I’m happy with a smartphone, assuming they can deliver a larger sensor with reasonable DR.
Hopefully this means the A7000 should be out soon. If they come with a silent mode, I am buying it. Need electronic shutter to preserve shutter for timelapses
yeah, and probably with a shorter and shorter zoom.
This is indeed a very strong indication that the new a99II is coming within few weeks!
why???
He omitted sarcasm emoticon.
😉
Half-life 3 confirmed
Indeed, a post about a totally unrelated camera is a good indicator that a camera you want will be released soon.
LOOOOOOOL
This snarky post made me snort air through my nose.
“updated BIONZ X” sounds good to me, let´s hope for 4K/improved AVCHD-S/more FPS …
Similar but not MFT?
2:3 most probably.
2/3″ (8.8 x 6.6) is two times smaller than MFT (17,3X13)
he was talking about the aspect ratio, not the size.
Right, Sony used 3:2 proportion in 100m3, out of which they cropped 1:1, 4:3, 3:2, and 16:9. Could be the same this time as well but with the larger sensor. It doesn’t matter after all since the lens is going to be fixed anyway.
But I hate 4:3 ratio of the 43 sensor.
OK.
Maybe it’s time for the new BIONZ FTW….no heating issues, three times the computing power.
Heat problems indicate that it has 4K video camera capability’s, the Sony camera could have the 16MP 4/3 sensor, and the 20MP 4/3 is for the new upcoming Oly E-M1 II camera.
Sony is selling their sensors to almost everyone, because they are state of the art. Why do they not buy the electronics from someone who is good at that? Say Panasonic? Then they would be able to finally release a camera with internal 4k.
Did you read so we here that they make their own processors? I would imagine that they get them from a semiconductor company.
It does seem odd that they’re having overheating issues this late in the day… Makes me wonder what process they’re using.
So Sony isn’t even any good at electronics now?!
This message board makes me laugh.
As your username make everyone laugh…
Yes, Sony needs Panasonic to do 4K video *face in hands*
Maybe they should outsource their lens design & manufacturing to Sigma… Sigma Glass + Sony AF Motors…
If they’re going larger sensor it won’t be the RX100m4, it’ll be a new line. The 1″ sensor hit a sweet spot of size/weight/IQ/cost that a larger sensor won’t match.
BionzX has run out of usefulness, time for an image processor refresh as Samsung has clearly leapfrogged Sony with the NX1 processor.
The rx100 grows a little with each generation. Eventually it will no longer be a compact camera.
Though an RX100M4 and HX90V might make an interesting combo?
And yet they keep the older models around at a reduced price.
Interesting that one of those sensors can do better than 25 fps, which suggests it will be able to do 4k 24/25p video with a decent (i.e. full readout) pixel binning strategy.
The speed ratings are for full readout RAW still images. These will normally do much better rates at full readout with a lower bit depth, the RX100 III for example already does. It can do ~10fps but can do much higher ‘full readout’ for video.
ah, yes, Im referring to full raw readout, because that way they are not cropping or skipping in any way, and using the full sensor readout at full bit-depth. Would be nice if they do that – I could put my BlackMagic camera away 🙂 But realistically, its Sony, and they will save it out as XAVC-S at the end!
Nice!! I was sooo looking forward to the LX100 but ultimately disappointed at the image quality. A Sony made sensor, paired with a good lens is an exciting proposition.
I think the market is definitely there (as evidenced by the success of the A6000 and pz16-50 combo, and RX series).
BUT… IQ *needs* to be stellar, and the camera *needs* to be a real ‘premium’ offering (the ‘labour of love’ promised by by Panasonic but not quite realized).
Wishing Sony success in this endeavor – sounds like it could be my first pre-order in a while.
It definitely needs to beat the 16-50, quality wise (even the old 18-50 is a better choice)
LX100 was a disappointment? Pretty much unanimously considered as best compact camera ever made?
I don’t own it but reviews are nothing short but great 🙂
Probably well received by many. I just meant that personally, I was hoping for a little more (in terms of IQ). To my eyes the IQ looks only marginally better than the diminutive RX100III.
Long anticipated APS-C RX cam?
I’d be all about this for traveling!
What a pity, I hate the 4:3 image format !
Well the LX100 is more ‘multi-format’ but I agree, really dislike 4:3 format.
4/3 is not the format of the sensor, it is a size designation. It so happens that current 4/3 sensors are 4:3 native ratio sensors but they do not have to be. Just like APS-C sensors are not all the same size, you could make a 4/3 sensor that is 3:2 with the same diagonal measurement as the current 4/3 sensors or one with a larger diameter in 3:2 mode but the same in 4:3 mode.
Current 4/3 sensors have a diagonal measurement of 21.6mm with a crop factor of 2. A new version with the same height but 3:2 ratio would be 23.4mm diagonal with a 1.8 crop factor. Sony could also just use 4:3 native and offer 3:2, etc. options. In which case 3:2 would be 20.8mm diagonal with a 2.1X crop factor.
4×3 is better for general photography than 3×2 or wider. Although, 1×1 is better: the squarer, the better.
Nice. Four iterations in three years. Maybe I’ll buy this one 😛
so, a 20 or 16 mpix cropped to 14 and 12 mpix, like the LX100, and multiple formats. What is that good for? And then, look the LX100 on this pictures, the RX100 is for sure smaller, but the first looks at least like a camera, there is a grip and some real camera look. If you see the both on this picture side by side, LX100 looks like a real man beside a naked drag queen.
I won’t call it a drag queen… more like a slim girl… which I (personally) would prefer over a drag queen… or a real man 😉
and if you wanna have something for real man: take a A99… not an RX(whatever number) … or a LX…
It all depends on priorities.
Some people need as small as it can be, others need just small “enough”.
On a side note, couldn’t agree more on “slim girl”… 🙂
I’d love that! The LX100 looks and performs like a real camera with proper dials. Just a pity the zoom is electronic only, I hope this would be fixed on the Sony’s. I also hope Sony will stop that silly multiformat thing losing some valuable megapixels, for God sake! I’d rather prefer 3:2, but 4:3 is a lovely format anyway.
I thought the Rx100II was pretty much perfection.
Just like gum!
Perfection can always be improved on 🙂
The size will be decisive. My RX100’s only justification as addition to my A6000+16-50 is its smaller size. I take it along for walks and trips when I prefer smaller size over the better IQ that the A6000 offers with its APS-C sensor. The LX100 is close to the same size as A6000+16-50, so why would I buy it? As ONYL camera a bigger RX100 might make sense, but then it will not be an amendment with, but a direct competitor to the NEX-line.
Sorry Sony the Bionz has been great but I think it is time to ditch MIPS for ARM.
I think it’s already an ARM cpu
Please SLOG 4k 100mbps XAVC mic in
Every version of RX series is amazing, but instead of RX100 I’d love to see next version of RX10 and RX1.
+1 for RX20 full pixel readout 4k video with mic-in
What about a fixed 24mm f/1.8 lens w/ a 24mp APS-C sized sensor that’s smaller than the a5100? that’s 35mm equivalent for photo shooters
and a low light variant with 16mm f/2.8 lens on a 16mp or 12mp APS-C sized sensor that and shoot in 4K and slow motion for video shooters?
The benefit of having a fixed lens is it can be a sports and drone camera.
For this type, we already have x100 series, x2 series, dp- series, coolpix A, GR …
the market is saturated.
but the selling point is the XAVCS codec and high dynamic range sensor which only Sony can provide.
and now?
in the 600,-$ Pricerange we have nothing comparde to LX100..
-fine Lense
-fine Body ( small quirk, no hdmi-out/no mic in) but 4k ( tini Gh-4)
-only 8 bit ( we see the black magic snake come closer..)(10bit)
so what does it help what we see in 2017?
since 3 Years SONY does not to make the fine Thing close to the customer+ fine price.
-aps-c 4k A7000??? maybe to good now not to cross the FS-7 Market
( Sony is not so bad-ugly in this case like Canon, but, they play the old game)
-rx100 is a fine full-hd and fine cam, yes soemtimes better than all other sonys, but
much pretty to expensive, a 1inch-cam, worht 349,- sold 699,-? no go!!
– next big claim 10 bit? when? (intern_normal codec/ extern_raw) 2037????
-so fine it is-but other snakes are coming in ( samsung nx-500)( LX100 mk2..)
it is apretty fine playgame and in my mind all this the sony a5000 for 249,90,- do..
so hard for sony-products to push the a5000–because for what?
okidoki… The fullsensor-sit-out with A7 has no power for the rest_the do not want.
customer situation: 3 months till summer/ want new cam(since 2012)-and NOTHING from
SONY = 600,- hot american $ i will give. LX 100….
and it doese not help, taht i can order this SONX IT-CAM now–get it NOVember 2015..
DO YA COPPY HUSTON??
Nel Emschdrong out…
interesting choice.
like the GX7, i wonder how many LX100 actually been sold. it was in every way a very good camera, but my understanding is that hardly any units have been sold.
“hardly any units have been sold.”
Really? Hardly any units? Worldwide? Sounds incredible!
both very expensive.
That would be great. I hate the Panasonic menus. Don’t forget AE lock during video and proper auto-ISO in M-Mode, which the LX100 lacks AFAIK. And 4K is needed too if this is supposed to be a competitor to the LX100.
Funny I prefer the Panasonic menus to the Sony ones though i prefer the Sony products…just HATE their UI
Oh Panasonic Menus are wonderful, only what LX100 needs is the swivel touch screen and better sensor, fantastic piece of camera!
Sony, if you are going to delay the release of the a6000 successor due to resolving heat issues, then can you add XAVCs to the a6000 in the meantime? The a5100 is a better video cam for that one reason, until you need to change a setting. The a6000 is better for virtually everything else.
If you can add XAVCs to the rx10 and A77ii, and if the a5100 has the same guts as the a6000 with the codec included, BUT in a smaller (easier to overheat) body, then the current flagship crop mirrorless should have it too.
I get it if the motivation was to encourage buyers to get the mark II version of the a6000. But if it’s now delayed for heat issues, then please please please give the current a6000 the better codec.
I’d love an RX similar to the Fuji X100 series.
Except nobody ever has.
I did.
Multi-aspect 4/3 20MP sensor would be great. Even if they kept everything else the same (just a little bigger, obviously, but still pocketable) I’d buy one.
Admin, will it have a zoom lens, or prime?
where is the Alpha A-mount A99ii replacement?
Well, at least you know what you want.
Based on my experience with my RX100 the RX100III would suit me fine as I could do with 24mm wide and EVF. Can’t wait for the price of RX100III to come down if a MKIV is released. Go Sony Go (or run).
Could be a upgrade from my RX100 v.1
EVF, filter thread and maybe a 16-80mm 2.8 lens?
I hope this wrong. The size is perfect on the RX100 series. The amazing thing about all the RX100 models is the quality you get in a truly pocket size camera. That 1″ sensor is great, but increasing the size to accommodate a bigger sensor I feel is poor strategy. They should keep the RX100 series with a 1″ sensor and add another model number line if they want to go to a bigger camera with a bigger sensor.
That’s pretty exciting – Going to be a tough choice between that and an A7000 (or A6100, or 6000 II or whatever they call it)
I’ll definitely buy it if it sports 4K/30p and has a similar lens.
I want my Sony RX100 M4 to have 20mm lens at its widest and software like in HTC One M8. Capability like Samsum NX1 and a lens thread for circular polarizer and weatherproofed.
Do not care about the flash. I do not like picture quality of flash anyways.
I wouldn’t be interested in such. Isn’t the sensor for Oly and Panny instead?
Good to hear the processor is getting updated, these days even low tier compacts get BIONZ X, they’ll need something new or two of them on new high end models
Mistake.
Keep the 1 inch sensor and develop a better 28-90 lens. A camera with a larger sensor and an acceptable zoom length (min 28-90) will be way too large. The LX100 already too large and the zoom length is too limited ( only to 70).
Both of these new 4/3 cameras use Exmor sensors.
Sony is definitely falling behind in sensor technology.
Samsung is using a 28mp backside illuminated apsc sensor in thier new cameras, superior to Sony apsc Exmor sensors.
Nikon has just put a 20.8 mp 1″ backside illuminated sensor in the Nikon 1 J5.
This sensor is sure to outperform these 2 new sensors, even though the Sony sensors are larger.
Furthermore the Nikon 1 70-300mm lens is far and away the best lens available for a camera in this size range , with an equivalent 189-810mm focal length,f 4-5.6.
Once again Sony has taken the competition for granted, just as they did with Samsung tv.
Unless Sony wakes up even thier sacred cow…the sensor division….could be in jeopardy.