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Zeiss just posted a set of new pictures and one of those pictures seems to have been taken with a new 85mm f/1.2 G SSM II lens. UPDATE: The mystery is solved! The [shoplink 41374 ebay]Metabones adapter[/shoplink] is “faking” the EXIF data of the [shoplink 41344 ebay]Canon 85mm f/1.2 lens[/shoplink] and makes it appear as an SSM II lens. That way Sony cameras can “handle” the lens information.
UPDATE: All I know from trusted sources is that indeed Sony’s plan is to launch a new 85mm lens. Don’t knwo if it’s A or E-mount yet.
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This would make my day!
But… If it’s a Sony G lens and not a Sony/Zeiss, why would Zeiss be posting images made with it at all?
Either way, I’ll preorder it on day one!
Lens ID : Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II
Here’s the thing… why would a G lens appear on a blog about Zeiss lenses?
I think something got mistranslated in the EXIF. What camera allows you to use f/1.3 (when set to either f-stop thirds or halves)?
Well it’s about time they updated version 1 of this lens, oh wait…. (since it reads SSM II)
Fake. As mentioned below, why is Zeiss posting images of an unreleased non-Zeiss lens. Someone is having a little fun, just like the 60mp images they posted earlier this year.
Exactly. Good job debunking what is probably either a deliberate misdirection or an unintended mistake. But either way, this is obviously not to be believed. Let’s see what gets announced next week. I’d be VERY surprised at this point if any totally new A-mount glass gets announced, but not so surprised if we see an FE 85mm.
To be honest, I got fed up with waiting for Sony and figured I’d make do with the Otus 85mm. Hopefully that’ll tide me over until the 100mp+ bodies come out at least, or the Sony medium format camera. To anyone else waiting, I do recommend that lens, it’s really very good although it does have a little astigmatism and LOCA isn’t perfectly corrected, and it would be nice to have individually finished aspherics rather than just moulded. At least it’s better than the rubbish Nikon and Canon routinely churn out.
Realistically, and practically speaking, Canon are the number one manufacturer of “high quality still photography optics” bar none in 2015. I don’t think that’s even up for debate.
It’s true, Canon are the #1 manufacturer in still photography optics. They churn out so much it dwarfs everyone else. Just a pity their lenses are almost all blurry and full of CA!
SSM II means it’s the second generation of SSM drive, not the lens.
Are you 100% sure about that, or does it simply mean second generation of a particular lens?
The 70-400mm SSM II and Sony Zeiss 50/1.4 SSM were released on the same day. Strange that one would have SSM and the other one a newer generation of it.
Exactly. And as others have pointed out, this individual is posting with an adapted Canon 1.2 lens.
Why says EXIF that this is a G lens if it’s a Canon?
Because this is what it does? Heck even my Tamron 70-300mm USD shows up as a 70-300mm G SSM and that is on the A-Mount adapter. Canon 70-200mm f4L shows up as the 70-200mm f4 G from memory as well. This is the Canon 85mm f1.2 II.
Why on Zeiss blog if it’s a G?
I really can’t understand why you gave this SR4 rating. The alarm bells should have been going off very early with this one.
Adapted lenses show incorrect EXIF at times, and its also easy to change.
This is almost certainly the Otus or the Canon – which occasionally shows as 83mm and F1.3, not a Sony lens. When adapted EXIF isn’t always accurate.
You are right… Forgot about that 50.
Sony has been confusing on that, blurring the lines between the second gen of the motor drive and generations of the lens. I was under the impression that the 70-200 II was the first lens with SSM2.
could be the canon 85 1.2 mounted on an A7R2. That explains the “II” and the F1.3 (the maximum value that can be shown when using an adapter) but still the “G” is a weired.
L=G?
L=G, USM=SSM, II=II, Canon=Sony … Errrm….
Plausible, right? Btw, the lens manufacturer wasn’t displayed.
Note that neither EF-mount nor E-mount report the lens ID as a string – they report it as a single number.
So it’s something like lens 32789 = whatever (I don’t have a lensID database with me, so that number is made up off the top of my head.)
It’s up to the EXIF interpreter to come up with a lens name from that numerical ID.
The Canon EF 50/1.8 STM (no OSS) gets reported as a Sony 50/1.8 OSS e-mount lens on a Viltrox adapter from what I recall.
A mount is NOT well and alive.
And even in the UNLIKELY event that this is a new A mount lens…still no new A mount camera will ever be made.
A new laea5 and laea6 though would be nice.
Don’t see a real reason why no more amount bodies would be made.
Big bodies have advantages too, they could fit liquid cooling and a radiator
A boat load of ram and fast local storage and still have room for a battery that lasts longer than 15 minutes of 4K recording
No more A mount bodies because they will not sell.
A bigger pro body for E mount would however be a smart move.
A7 style is not well liked by pros but good for consumers and should continue.
Pro style body body should also be made and must have
Dual card slot
Much bigger battery
Larger easier to operate conrols.
And of course it should be a little larger than the a7 body style.
While it is a smart idea to put differrent sensors in the same body to make a whole line of similar cameras, ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL and a second pro style body with differrent sensors for differrent models is absolutely essential if Sony wants a serious presense in the pro market.
I take it Admin thinks its A-mount because there is a “II” next to “SSM” and there hasn’t been even a “I” for FE in 85mm other than the Batis, no?
I agree with you that this lens for a-mount is highly unlikely. I also agree that a new SLT adapter is needed (with full frame AF coverage). Ideally, there would be 3 adapters – the LA-EA3), an LA-EA3 with screw drive (if feasible) and a better SLT adapter.
As for your assertion that no new a-mount camera will ever be made – it feels like Sony is still figuring it out. If Sony has to put the development resources into a new full frame SLT adapter anyway, why not drop an a99-2 with the new AF and updated sensor? Only Sony knows the economics of it, but there might be a market for another a-mount body for the existing base of customers.
Besides, things and people do change – you wrote only earlier this year:
“A mount is not dead , just hibernating…it will always be better for sport, nature, macro long lenses.E mount will allways be just a toy for snapshooters and those too frail to carry a real camera.
And Canon will dominate the mirrorless market by 2017.
Switch to E mount at your own risk.”
Source: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-says-current-fe-lenses-can-resolve-future-50-megapixel-resolution-sensors/
“Things do change”
And that comment was made before the a7rii came out.
That statement reflected E mount at that time.
I am not so inflexible as to be locked into an opinion just because I once stated it even though the current reality has changed.
I stand behind BOTH the legitimacy of the comment at the time, AND my current comments for current times.
This is where your comments fall frustratingly short in that you fail to consider the context behind the comments you quote.
Like I said, things change. Predictions are proven correct or incorrect by time and facts. The context was that you made a prediction. You changed your mind about e mount after your prediction didn’t pan out. It would be silly not to do so.
Sony may change their collective decision making regarding the future of a-mount based on changing demand. Sony is still selling about 24 a-mount lenses. There is a need for a better SLT adapter for all of those lenses or a hybrid-oriented camera (larger body e-mount with a screw drive module perhaps) designed equally for adapted a lenses or native e lenses.
It seems unlikely at this point, but if recent Sony lens prices are any indication, it’ll be $3000.
Agreed. I would expect the Sony price to be 1.5x Canon and Zeiss would be 2x Canon.
If this is SR4 then hell freezing over this afternoon is SR5 😉
I take it Admin thinks its A-mount because there is a “II” next to “SSM” and there hasn’t been even a “I” for FE in 85mm other than the Batis.
1) They might have adapter the Canon 85 1.2L USM II and somehow that lens got translated into Sony terms, which would be Sony 85 1.2 G SSM II, exactly what is written there. Commlite doesn’t work like that but maybe Metabones or some other adapter does that, I have no idea. This also explains the f/1.3 aperture reported below.
2) There might really be a 85 1.2 in the works by Zeiss but then II and G wouldn’t make any sense at all. G designation are for Minolta and Sony and for a Mark II to exist, there should be a Mark I first.
Come on, everyone understands it’s a Canon 85/1.2 via adapter.
Even less reason for it to be on a Zeiss blog.
Randomly picked from his Instagram. He also has other A7M2+canon 85/1.2 photos there.
Admin…
This post is highly unlikely to be true and should be updated to SR1
I’ve seen them do dumber things.
This is what most electronic adapters report when you attach the Canon 85mm f/1.2 L II. Incredible that admin missed this.
For a second, I really thought Sony can beat Canon. Just one second. Too good to be true.
This sound excellent. If they now release the 85mm f.1.2 G SSM II . Why mark II i dont know. Because i have never seen a mark I. And if they upgrade the ZA 50mm f.1,4 to maybe a f.1,2lens. Then i have my dream combo. My two cameras. A7s and A7r with lenses up to 35mm. And the the A99 II ( It must be a new one now, because of the 85mm f.1,2 ) from 50mm, and longer lenses.
I will have
15mm, 21mm,25mm,35mm for the A7 series, and 50mm, 85mm and my 70-200 ssm G II on the A99 II
Maybe they want to match the name with the A99II an sell it as a kit together. Just kidding.
“UPDATE: All I know […] if it’s the one leaked by Zeiss”
Zeiss leaked nothing. Admin is this seriously the first time you see the EXIF from a Canon lens adapted to an A7-series?
That said Sony will for sure release an 85mm soon, and it will have a hard time competing with the Batis unless it is f/1.2.
That would be a dream, yes, make it 1.2!!!!
SR0. Even if you take the EXIF data at semi-face value, it reports the camera as an A7 II (ILCE-7M2). And then the lens is a Mark II version–but there’s no Sony 85mm f/1.2 to have a Mk. I. And then of course, why would Zeiss release pictures taken with a non-Zeiss lens?
The question is. Why did Zeiss fake the EXIF?
Makes little sense.
Nobody faked any EXIF. This is how Metabones and other Canon adapters work. Have you seriously never tried one?
They didn’t!
Even if they had, why would they refer to it as a G lens?
I know I’m going out on a limb here….could 2016 be the year of A-mount?
LOL, good one.
Haha… Never heard that one before.
That was 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015…
As others have said it is the Canon 85mm f1.2L II. The f1.3 is a rounding issue for the Metabones and is wide open regardless of the ‘smaller’ aperture.
The understanding I had was that Canon bodies were the ones doing the “rounding” and 1.3 was reality?
Yeah, they round essentially by chopping after the first decimal point ie .2 when it is something like .274 or something which Metabones rounds to .3.
Figure is completely from memory. But almost everyone does this.
Hi guys, I’m the photographer who shot this image. This was shot with a Canon 85mm f1.2 lens, via metabolism adapter, on the Sony a7ii. I accidentally got this image mixed up with my Zeiss images for the feature on the Zeiss website. Sorry for the confusion.
Yeah Yeah very good 😉
Now you instantly broke a lot of hearts. Anyway, thanks for the clarification.
Now the question is why would Zeiss have somebody post pictures taken with Canon lenses…
Admin are you reading?
I know you think clickbait is good, even if completely false, but in reality is seriously hurts the status of your site.
What are you talking about Mike? What is clickbait?
Clickbait is when blogs or news sites post sensational news that isn’t true to get more clicks. My comment was directed at Admin and not at you of course.
Gotcha
You’re forgiven. I have the EF 85mm F1.2L II (and it is a fantastic lens!) and just ordered a A7R II + MB IV. Can’t wait to try it and all my other L lenses with the A7R II 🙂
It is.
Yeah sorry guys, my mistake. And my goodness a Zeiss 85 f1.2 would be something else. No harm in dreaming…
No problem, the fact that it was version 2 gave it away.
If true, this would be the first truly “good news” for the A-mount since the A77ii 1 1/2 years ago. This would be their first truly “new” A-mount lens in about 3 years. …..
Oh… Now I see other posts clarifying this was the Canon 85/1.2… that makes more sense.
Now back to your regularly scheduled “A-mount is dead” programming.
…and now the comment system loads…
LOL, nice example of how garbage predictions along with looser conspiracy theorists and fanboys spread misinformation like a plague!
Nice word acrobatics. 🙂
But seriously, this is a rumor site. Spreading wild guesses and “garbage” predictions are part of it. I enjoy it. Dammit, I just outed myself as a looser conspiracy theorist.
Oh i get it, I’m a “supporter” of SAR. Though this was not a rumor, really… a bit of a hyper excited wishful thinking that was too obvious (G from Zeiss??? MK “II”???) to ignore. All good, bring on the rumor mill around new FE glass to be released soon!
I almost bought a D800 yesterday since KEH was having a sale. I just can’t get myself to do it. I feel like it’s a step back from SLT- I’ve grown to like it way to much. Curse you Sony! You make two great yet incomplete product lines. Get it together please- pro A9 or A99II or both…just make it happen.
Very well said! Sony need to make a hard choice and unblock their pro level sales. Do they stick with A mount for the next 5 years – new lenses, camera and accessories. That should be true commitment not the current sluggish thing. Alternatively they must finally pull the plug on A mount and release A9 body to replace A99 with same or bigger battery, fully articulated screen and many more extras absent from the smallish A7 series.
I personally feel happy with A7 and A6000 but I do not try to shoot weddings or anything else commercial.
May be this shows that Sony are yet not ready to make commitment to pro photo market as they have made with video for example.
While there is no doubt Sony is eventually going to release an 85mm lens for e-mount and it is possible that Sony may update the a-mount 85mm with SSM, there is no doubt that Sony will not release a new 85mm 1.2 design for a-mount.
This sounds similar to the 35mm 1.4 release rumors. For a while, SAR reported a new 35 1.4 a mount lens was coming…until it was announced for e-mount.
Adapters need to fake lenses names — yet another example of how “open” Sony e-mount is.