Some competition news:
Canon launched the EOS-M10 entry level camera that is set to compete against the Sony A5xxx series.
And the Leica SL FF autofocus system camera will have a 24MP sensor and 4K recording (MirrorlessRumors.com).
Some competition news:
Canon launched the EOS-M10 entry level camera that is set to compete against the Sony A5xxx series.
And the Leica SL FF autofocus system camera will have a 24MP sensor and 4K recording (MirrorlessRumors.com).
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Canon is getting serious in non serious cameras
But they are serious on serious lenses. 😉
Sony has plenty of serious DSLR lenses, and a growing portfolio of serious mirrorless lenses. Canon has no serious mirrorless lenses.
which you can use ALL on E-mount… and with the A7rII (and probably with all major future Emount bodies) with a at least reasonable AF speed….
Your options are a $3200 body or horrible AF or (with the Techart III) very inconsistent AF. The Techart III is near-useless or 100% useless with many Canon lenses. (For example the HIGHLY popular EF 85/1.8 can only AF on the Techart III when the aperture is stopped down below 2.8, and even then it’s incredibly flaky. The legacy Viltrox II adapter is actually vastly superior despite taking 3-4 seconds to lock focus – it’s better than constant hunting and <20% focus lock success.)
Meanwhile the EOS-M will have 100% functionality with all EF/EF-S lenses with an adapter that is only $60-80 from Canon themselves.
The funny thing is you don’t hear people complaining about their native lens lineup…
I thougt the same thing. I would say, they even surpassed Nikon, at least if you look at the current AF lenses only. (Nikon’s unmatched MF lens portfolio is of course a different story.)
However, we shouldn’t forget that Canon and Nikon needed 65 years to reach that point. Minolta started slightly later, but could never reach the other two. So, Sony has a loooooooooooooong way to go.
According to Canon fans…
Dynamic range, iso, and jpg quality are meaningless arbitrary numbers…all the a7rii camera and product of the year awards are meaningless, bought by Sony, and the a7rii has NO WEATHER SEALING, no dual card slot and poor battery life.
Of course no dual slot, and poor battery life are and lossy compression are unforgivable crimes while the virtues are insignificant.
UPDATE….now no dual slot and poor battery life are unforgivable crimes, uncompressed raw is insignificant….!!!
Aside from banking on their brand name, I don’t get what this camera has to offer the average consumer. It’s not aggressively priced. It’s specs are either on par with others or totally lacking. (Only 30P max in video mode?) It looks boring. Its kit lens (aside form the extra 1 millimeter on the wide end) looks like a cheap, slow f***job. A max f/6.3 at 45mm?
Not just Sony, but other companies like Oly, Panasonic, Fuji, etc. remain in business because they bring out features that no one else is offering (or by doing a better job).
This camera, despite it being Canon’s most “ambitious” mirrorless APS-C effort, looks like a 3-years-too-late, underwhelming product built not because they wanted to but because they had to. What happened to the days of cameras like the S90? I had that camera and loved it. It was cutting edge back then and broke new ground.
I hope Joe Average decides to reward a brand that busts its a$$ to innovate and achieve something unique instead of going with the tried-and-true little black box of mediocrity Canon has unveiled here.
It might be a political product. Maybe Canon made it suck on purpose so they can convince investors their DSLR route is the right route.
Agreed. Another half-a$$ed mirrorless attempt from Canon. They can do better than this, much better. The question is when.
Given that to design and build any camera must require a significant effort, the latest Canon cameras are just plain odd and smack of panic management that has lost its way.
These compacts are hideous and rather sad.
Even their latest DSLR is something of an oddity, though very capable. I just don’t see anyone rushing to buy them. The improvements over their existing top-line models are incremental at best. If I was invested in Canon I think I’d rather have a 1DX, and that’s four years old!
Also keep in mind that 100% compatibility with EF and EF-S lenses helps the body significantly compared to its competition in the market.
What is this Canon A5100?
A5100 competitor; but 2 years late
So, Leica will offer yet another overpriced product with common specs and people will defend it with “build quality” and “feel”. As for Canon, that doesn’t even deserve a comment.
Competition is allways good for consumers 🙂 Even if i never would buy a canon-camera 😀
The camera alone is not really competitive. But the Canon platform as a whole is. That’s what most Sony fans refuse to understand. (Pretty obvious in this forum.)
The camera itself seems still behind Sony (and Fuji) competitors. But 15-45 is a very interesting range for a kit lens, with for once a real wide angle in a small APS-C kit. Their 22mm pancake was also very smart. Their 11-22 (350$) has according to DXO far more homogeneity than the 10-18 (700$? 800$?). We can laugh at them, they are slow and they have a conservative approach of the mirrorless world but they seem to know what they are doing…
15-45 on a Canon EOS-M is 24-72mm equivalent. Remember Canon APS-C is a 1.6 crop.
And its 6.3 on the long end. So its bigger , yet slower and shallower than the Sony SELP1650 Pancake. I’m sure the IQ is probably better, although its still a kit lens.
“But 15-45 is a very interesting range for a kit lens, with for once a real wide angle in a small APS-C kit.”
I thought that at first, but it’s no wider than the Sony 16-50mm PZ, plus it has slightly less reach and it’s slower.
And I can bet that it will be optically far better 😉
You might lose that bet.
If you can get over the distortion and vignetting that require software correction, the performance of the 16-50mm PZ is pretty decent.
Its biggest problem for me was the powerzoom function, which is why I got rid of it. I was very happy with the optical performance and of course its compact size.
It’s a bet, I might loose or win, that’s the main point of a bet. But based on their previous lenses, I bet on a better optical quality, and a far better control of the sample-to-sample variations 😉
Also keep in mind that Canon’s crop bodies are actually 1.6x instead of 1.5x
That’s why I said the Canon was no wider. Both lenses are 24mm equivalent at the wide end.
Yes, the lenses are nicely priced, but you do need to pay more for the camera. Btw, that is the first time I hear this “conservative” excuse for Canon’s lacklustre approach to mirrorless.
They are leader in photography. They don’t have to be aggressive, they just have to respond at the right time…
They are leading in market and mind share; for photography, it is debatable 🙂
True though, they can bide their time. But, for how long and are they really waiting it out or are incapable of making something competitive? Who knows. However, the EOS-m is lacking, the Powershot G line is now a guinea pig and there’s simply nothing interesting on the DSLR front (although the products are perfectly capable).
Basically, they lag behing Sony (and as a consequence Nikon) in the performance of their sensor at base iso, that’s all… If it’s enough to make their products “not interesting”, it’s up to you.
But hey I don’t know what will happen, they could perfectly be the Kodak of the XXIth century if they are too conservative. But I think we are still faaar away from this situation.
Again with the “Sony fans”; can nobody make a proper argument and let it be enough?
The Canon EOS-M isn’t really much of a platform and if you are speaking about DSLR lenses they might be better adapted on a Sony. Interesting that from the great Canon platform I am only interested in two TS lenses. Oh well, I guess I am Sony fanboy, certainly there isn’t any other explanation 🙂
What is it?
Looks like something from 10 years ago.
AnyCameraRumors.com
Yawn.
The Leica will be a serious attempt to make the world’s best mirrorless camera. But the price will be a joke.
The Canon is a joke of a mirrorless camera. But they’re seriously in denial.
The comment system doesn’t seem to load at the next article…
Same here. The Sony 85mm f/1.2 G SSM II news are fu*king awesome!!!
Agreed.
I checked at Dyxum’s lens database, but did not find any 85/1.2 G SSM I lens. Seems strange that a version II will be released Before a version I.
And it doesn’t load at the article after that…
Funny innit? 16 comments and counting about a Canon camera on Sony Alpha Rumors, comments on Canon watch? -none, zero.
That’s exactly why I’m here and not at Canonwatch. SAR rules. Here are the trolls as well as the cool kids and everything in between.
SAR is just like a pub, loud and stinky.
Cheers!
…that’s how she likes it.
Yeah except the admin there trolled about the a7RII when it just got released.
But all the other EOS-M cameras were entry level already…
Just some more of the administrators clickbait!
I took a look at Canon’s specs. Looks to me like the M10 is competition for the α4700 at best.
Well, its definitely better than the nex 3n.
“Pure Photography”
Some speculate that it will drive AF through adapters like the A7 series, which is weird since AFAIK Panasonic never implemented any kind of PDAF in their cameras.
Unless it is a A7II 24mp sensor.
I know the 1.6 conversion 😉 I was thinking about the 24 equivalent
Let the flaming begin! Oh wait, it’s already started.
Being the happy sony A5100 camera owner,
I sincerely wish Canon every success with this camera sales. If Canon could spend some more money to the discounting and agressive promotion of the camera sales at this Christmas would be even better.
The bottom line is – this could be the way to threaten sony’s share at mirrorless APS-C sales and the way to force sony to quickly come-up with the 4k video enabled (A5200?) camera.
No, while there have been great leaps forward in Canon glass on Sony, it’s still a horribly flaky prospect. Meanwhile EF-M bodies can use EF and EF-S lenses with 100% functionality and a first-party adapter that appears to be only $60-80 (with third-party ones being $20-30, indicating that the EF-M electronic protocols are 100% identical to EF and the adapter is just a contact passthrough.)
Yes, you are absolutely correct. I actually meant pairing the lenses with Sony’s better sensors, especially Sony having FF mirrorless; I do admit though, that specifically was just a cheap shot.
I saw in my dream that this EOS-M10 is able to use all Sony E-mount lenses via AF compatible adapter.
A face only a Canon shooter could love.