(SR4) Sony A7rII is coming:
Over the weekends I got more confirmations from one source that indeed the Sony A7rII is the next FF camera to be launched by Sony. There is yet no exact launch date I can share but the release really appears to be imminent. One anonymous source also shared some A7rII tidbits (take that as SR3):
– It has the same A7r 36 megapixel sensor
– Improved high ISO (thanks to the improved processor)
– Faster autofocusing
– 5 axis stabilization (exactly the same system used by the A7II).
– A7II alike body size
– Silent shutter mode (at last!)
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365 Responses
Sounds like a solid successor. A7s II next…
with specs based on what is really a SR2 rumour? 🙂
I said it sounds good, which it does regardless of rumor level (sr3).
I’d be pleased if it retained the 36MP sensor. If it has IBIS and faster focusing closer to the A6000, and a quieter shutter, then the 36MP sensor is ideal. Actually 50MP seems over the top.
Presumably they mean faster than the original a7r, which doesn’t take much doing…
The AF will be closer to the A7 II, not the A6000.
“– Silent shutter mode (at last!)”
Are you sure? Could you check this? That gets me interesting. 🙂
Why same sensor!!! I don’t get the point!!!
because it’s still the best sensor available… have a look at DXO (1./2. Nikon with FF Sony, 3. A7r). why should they spend money for development of a new one if none else has better sensors…?
Expected yet welcomed updgrade. Pretty sweet product on paper. Now I cannot wait for 50mpx A9 monster!
11+7?
Dealbraker, sorry
yawn…
yawn…
yawn
Haven’t you got classes to go to?
30+ with a bachelors in meteorology and a masters in computer sciences, sorry, classes ended almost 10 years ago for me 🙂
As for my condition – my A850, A55, A500, A700, KM7D and KM5D allow RAW that does not compromise IQ (ok, A55 and A500 only offer compressed RAW, but afaik it is loseless). This is not true in latest cams from SONY.
If they ever want more money from me they will have to allow lossless RAW again. Otherwise I will simply use what I have. And the biggest problem is that I love to push images in post, to get a lot of dynamic range, and I would also love a smaller cam than the A850. But as it is, it is a no-go.
yawn
11+7?
No. 14 bit RAW + S-RAW, M-RAW, XS-RAW, XXS-RAW, XXX-RAW, X-Ray RAW, X-Man RAW, X-files RAW.
Probably I forgot something…
No.
11bit border values with 7bit deltas for remaining pixels.
In the end it comes down to a measly 8bit per pixel average.
Far off from a proper 14bit RAW.
This shows nicely in high contrast areas and fine gradients, where pushing shadows can easily provoke very visible posterization.
The problem also surfareces when shooting ETTR since Sonys processing on the RAW then more easily creates banding in skies. That isn’t totally awesome since if shooing ETTR one often get a full stop of extra data that helps with stuff like tonality etc.
Shooting ETTR with the Sony cams are sort of necessary since the metering often is overly protective of highlights when shooting in A-mode.
Shhh, don’t give facts here, you will make people unhappy.
And that’s not good for sales, so it will get deleted 🙁
Facts are great though. If one knows about them one can shoot better etc. I ETTR anyway but nearly always bracket my shots as well and can therefor recover some of these problems in post when they occur.
I really do like the Sony cams otherwise and think that Sony pretty much has it all if it weren’t for the software… all stuff that i miss in the Sony cams only has to do with software… :/
Magic Lantern + Sony or a Sony Appstore that allowed one to change hardware settings would be totally awesome.
Efcs ok, but completely electronic shutter on a 36mp sensor, really? So when does the fw upgrade for my A7II arrive? 🙂
Right after my a7s update comes. Which is to say probably never. I just want to be able to program more buttons Sony.
Sony has my $5500 that I dumped into their system. They don’t feel the need to support it. They’ll just release a new camera.
If it has silent shutter mode (or even just EFC) it can’t be exactly the same sensor…even if it’s 36mp and same IQ
“Improved high ISO (thanks to the improved processor)”
You mean JPEG image quality?
“Silent shutter mode” ? EFCS or what?
Improved processor means improved RAW & JPEG and also Video
Silent shutter like the one in A7s
Here http://youtu.be/_tHw6YOZf-0
What about lossless, uncompressed RAW files and whether they have resolved the shutter vibration issue? Without addressing these issues, I wouldn’t consider it. But, that is just my opinion. I am not a fanboy for any company – just want to buy a camera that I won’t be thinking of replacing for a few years; and, I am not willing to spend my hard earned money on something with issues such as shutter shock. And, a $2k camera should have the option for uncompressed RAW files.
I don’t think we’ll get uncompressed RAW. The problem with Sony is that they suck at software.
Do they mean silent shutter or just a quieter shutter? Any news on efcs?
Mirrorless Rumors wrote that there will be a silent shutter AND the regular shutter will be quieter than the original a7R
Bang and Olufsen speakers are quieter than the original A7r. 🙂
I don’t see any reason why the shutter sould be different from the A7 II. So, look at the A7 II and you will see what to expect in this regard.
if they improve the LA-EA4 lens adapter
I’ll be happy, waiting to see what the a9 will be like first. my a100 still going strong, but im now looking for more resolution.
What’s wrong with the LA-EA4? I don’t have one, so I would like to know more about it.
-Only a few focus points
-They’re all crummed in the middle
-AF performance is like a midrange aps-c dslr
-Hunts a lot
Especially in low light… It’d be nice to have something that isn’t a dust magnet too.
I think the problem is not auto focus speed but the fact that all focus points are all near the center, also the fact that the adapter is rather bulky so it can accommodate the screw drive components. All in all the adapter isn’t bad if a little expensive.
Yes, I think pricing is an issue.
If it was $99, people would probably be satisfied with the performance.
The AF System in the adapter is from the A65 which means 15 points close to the center with 0 cross type points. The A77 had a better system with all Cross Type I think but same spread. The A77II has a faaaar improved AF system with points edge to edge. So, the adapter’s AF system is 2 generations behind. Besides it is a bit bulky especially compared to the smaller E Mount cameras.
Well, that’s simply not correct. The EA4 has cross type AF points like the A65 has and also the A77 has not only cross types.
http://phillipreeve.net/blog/sony-la-ea4/
You’re right!
The A55, A65 & the LAEA4 have 15 AF Points with 3 Cross Type.
The A77 had 19 Points total with 15 Cross Type.
EA4 use the same AF module as 4 years old A33
( outdated entry level SLT )
A33/A55/A65 <- 15 AF point (3 Cross)
A77 <– 19 AF point (11 Cross)
A77 II <– 79 AF point (15 Cross)
I think the AF system is actually from the older a55. It’s really outdated now and long due for an upgrade.
>What’s wrong with the LA-EA4?
1. Focus points tiny and in the middle. It is APS-C and not optimised from FF. Sony just got lazy and did a poor job.
2. AF speed is slow. Tech is years old now. Any entry level Canikon DSLR from today will beat it in speed.
3. Incompatible with AF assist light on body or on external flash. Really unacceptable.
4. Focusing in low light is laughable.
My a7s beats it in focus speed and accuracy. When the lights dim the LA-EA4 struggles, but the a7s can focus in near darkness.
The LA-EA4 is doing the a7 series cameras a disservice. No wonder a-mount owners are upset if this is their only option. Sony needs to make a professional LA-EA with an up to date PDAF module that is actually made for Full Frame.
I can not confirm that the AF speed is slow, at the end it also depends on the lens. I find it pretty accurate and fast with the 80-200 HS APO G.
Well if you think the LA-EA4 is fast, just wait till you try a DSLR from Canon or Nikon, even their basic entry level ones. You’re in for a surprise.
And a hamster is faster than a toaster!
IF you don’t like technology improving, then go shoot film.
Never have thought of somebody mentioning “technology improving” in context with Canon or Nikon.
@1:55
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90FTt1W0bJ8
Well it’s pretty impressive that they have faster AF than Sony’s SLT focusing without improving anything.
Ok, I can see where this is going. You take the point. HF
Sony needs to up it’s game if it wants to compete with Canikon DSLRS. a7 series is too slow with CDAF, and the LA-EA4 adapter is slower than the cheapest DSLRS.
Not trying to be a dick.
No adapter is going to af realistically.
The solution for you, as it was for me is simple. eBay the old, get some new. Such is life.
Im in desperation. I want a new camera now.
I Only get this equiment here, and that don’t take good enough pictures anymore
I could easily make excellent photography with that equipment! – And many other systems.
Crying doesn’t make things better….
What’s wrong with your equipment?
What camera do you want? A new FF SLT?
When you can’t get good enough pictures with that equiptment, satop the photographing and start stamp collecting (and send your equiptment to me… 🙂
At the same time it’s the same sensor…?
probably only the jpg engine…
The processor and its program code is a lot more important for image quality incl high ISO sensitivity than most people know!
The physical sensor is, according to some, 20% of the image quality. Program code is 40% according to me – but I may be wrong 🙂
you can always use an external RAW processor
What about the other 40%?
Improved processor is enough, you can check high ISO comparision between A99 and A7 , both have the same 24mp sensor.
A99 having Bionz processor and Bionz X for A7 , I had both cameras and the noise in high ISO is very noticeable
A7 doesn’t have SLT mirror which eats 30% of light
I use A-mount lenses on the A7 , LA-EA4 adapter with mirror and yet it’s better than A99
Does anyone know if Sony is planning to release a update for a silent shutter mode on the Sony A7II?
Features so far sound great. As a current A7r user I still have to wait for that elusive 50 mpix flagship. Is it E or A mount? What other magic features? Price vs A7rII?
Impossible to have silent shutter like the a7s at this resolution. Although I do hope they make the shutter noise a lot quieter. Even more quieter than the a7 and a7ii. The EFCS is still very noisy and loud compared to other mirrorless systems and always draws attention.
Which other mirrorless systems? You mean systems with far smaller shutters?
Yes, Sony please fix the loud electronic first curtain shutter.
It is probably not going to provide full resolution and have some artifacts.
We are talking here of FF camera dude…big sensor…much bigger the m43 sensors with very short shutter travel distance. that’s why they are quiet.
@Admin
What about EFCS?
I think silent shutter mode implies EFCS. You know, these cameras have two curtains, namely front and rear curtains. EFCS uses electronic shutter only for the front curtain, and Silent shutter (or full-electronic shutter) uses electronic shutter for both of the front and rear curtains. So if they can implement silent shutter, then they can implement EFCS too. It will be very odd if they provide silent shutter only, without EFCS.
Same chip? Bad news, I think. Forget about a6000 AF speed, then. Improved high ISO then also sounds like being restricted to JPGs (how should the processor improve the noise in the RAW?).
Silent shutter mode = lower DR (vide a7s comparision at iso 100 both option), and improved processor = better high iso, but only jpg, not raw.
Silent shutter and 5-axis IBIS with 36MP sensor! Wow, it almost sounds too good to be true. But I’ll keep my fingers crossed!
If this is true then this is my dream camera. Well with a fully articulated LCD touchscreen and rangefinder style body… but I can settle for this.
Don’t think I’ll ever understand why people desire rangefinders over viewfinders, especially in the mirrorless world. The compositions never turn out like the eye intended them, which drives me (and those that carefully compose their shots) mad. Care to explain why you’d want one?
Strange for Sony to allow Canon to be the high Megapixel King?
BTW，the 36mp sensor was designed by nikon, actually nikon is holding the highest tech in CMOS. One of the most important tech for producing CMOS is called the lithography machine, nikon is the NO.2 lithography maker around the world, (number one is ASML). thats why this 36mp cmos first seen on nikon D800, because during that time sony is only the OEM of this CMOS, they have the factory to provide massive production, but they don’t have the right to use it. Now, sony must spent a lot of money on buying the ticket to use this CMOS from nikon, they need to see the money back from A7R and mark II
actually, while nikon do make the litho machines, this is to make any semiconductor. Sony, intel, others buy this from nikon to use in the process of making the cmos chip, not in the designing of it. nikon control no technology rights by selling sony litho equipment. Also, nikon has been losing dramatic share in litho products for a some time.
I understand everyone can buy litho machine from nikon, but this 36mp really is designed by nikon, and they really do have the priority to use it, designing cmos and making them is quite related, the only sad thing is, nikon doesn’t seems care much about raising this tech to its maximum level for photographers, the big money they make either from cameras nor from litho machine, I ve heard nikon has a sugar daddy pays for pretty much everything, called the japanese military….
You have no idea what you are talking about. You are just guessing.
BS, it’s a Sony sensor. If not prove otherwise.
I remember in 2008, there was a very big print in german newspaper, saying Nikon D90 is the first DSLR with HD-video recording.
And then D90 came out – with only 720p (no Full HD) recording, and just a little later there was Canon 5Dmk2 with 1080p FullHD-recording.
Nobody was talking about D90 as a Filmmakers DSLR – all world was talking abount 5Dmk2.
Lessons learned: If a company is about to have the best product, you don’t need to spoil it with early announcments. If you are knowing another company is bringing a better product, you have to do announcments, to get at least some press 🙂
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-a-correction-and-a-confirmation-about-the-sony-50mp-camera/
Autofocus system. No interest if the autofocus isn’t improved.
Ok, it’s very nice they improved high ISO, mounted 5 axis stabilization and put shutter silent mode. But what about two MOST IMPORTANT things:
– improved AF for focusing in low light?
If AF module has same 0EV sensitivity than A7RII will still be uselless for low light shooting in any move. Sony’s AF is rubbish in low light shooting apart from A7s. So another priced camera for good light only shooting? Sony offers only 1 camera that can focus well in lower light! It’s 2015, are they kidding?
– uncompressed RAW, so NO 14bit RAW?
There were thousands of requests to bring 14bit uncompressed RAW, and Sony became deaf? Yeah, a great camera for landscape and big prints shooters with 11+7 RAW.
Who is this camera for with trashy AF and with 11 RAWs?
I am really interested to see the same picture with 11+7 RAW (e.g. Sony) compared to 14 RAW (e.g. Nikon). And I am not interested to see a comparing picture of a test-chart. I want a real life image for comparison.
All this RAW-tools numbering outputs charts I personally cannot read and I don’t understand its meaning. And I don’t trust statistics I did not make by my own.
The short answer is that with lossless RAW the excellent IQ can be a bit better. Visually at 100% on the screen and on largrer prints.
Still, compared to images from my Nikon D800 (uncompressed RAW), A7r prints are a tad better despite lossy RAW. On screen at 100% D800 files looks a tad smother.
Sony lossy RAW is not a showstopper, but other makers offer alternatives:
Uncompresseed RAW
Compressed lossless RAW
Compressed lossy RAW
So should Sony do too!
Let me choose…. give me the options…. sometimes it depends what you are shooting but Lossy compression is called Lossy for a reason….it throws away data and that can sometimes cause visible artifacts in your pictures.
Thanks. Do you have a link where I can see and compare this?
btw: would be really nice if Sony let the user choose, if compression is lossy or lossless (or even 14bit uncompressed). I think I would go for lossy if I can make significant more shots before the buffer fills up.
there will be no dealbreaker differences, except if your picture is 5 stop underexposed.
Especially in underexposed pictures I don’t believe why lossy compression should be visible:
As far I understood, they are storing deltas instead of discrete values for each pixel. In an underexposed image, the deltas are quite small (because each pixel is at the dark-side).
In my opinion, lossy compression should be best visible in a MTF-test-chart, where a white pixel is followed by a black pixel and so on. In that szenario you will have the biggest possible deltas from pixel to pixel, bringing the lossy compression to its limit.
A7r has not AF module
RAW is 14 bit already. It is compressed which I guess some people do not like so much
Personally, I try not to buy anything until I’ve done my research. If you buy a camera you’re not happy with, who is actually to blame?
As expected – same improments as A7II
+ silent shutter
I hope the image quality is improved as well due to a “shakeless” silent shutter. I hope it will be equal to D810.
It can’t have improved high ISO provided the same sensor as with the A7r is used. The processor is just handles the jpeg noise reduction algorithm, it is not improving the sensor output in any way.
then how come the Nikon D810 has better ISO than A7R with same sensor?
It doesn’t, stop trolling.
D810 vs A7r ISO 12800
Who is the troll?
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D810-versus-Sony-A7R-versus-Nikon-D800E___963_917_814
Not sure about you, but I’m seeing pretty much identical figures resulting in imperceptible differences.
Precisely!
@Lotus Eater:
I still see slight advantage in the left picture. It is not much at all – but it exist.
@Hitchcock
Where is your proof of which side is D810 or A7R? Or do you want to be called a liar?
On the left it’s the Nikon D810, on the right the Sony A7R
It is Imaging-resource Comparometer
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
Nikon D810 JPEG processing is clearly better in my opinion.
A7R applies too much default sharpening and noise reduction.
Thank you, Billy.
D810 was definitely the Left Picture, and not as Hitchcock said.
Especially when scrolling the the red fabric, the D810 is way better. But this is maybe not because of the sensor, but just the JPEG compression at all.
You are welcome.
Probably the difference is made by the camera JPEG engine and image processing.
What’s your point?
According to DxO, both D800E/D810 get higher ISO ratings. That’s what hams posted.
Looking to Hitchcocks picture, the left one has less ISO-noise in the color-squares, but different ISO-noise in the dark background (the right picture has “blurred” noise). Overall the left picture shows more detailed borders between the color-squares and their background. Especially the brown one shows a big difference.
It’s power of suggestion, the A7r is actually on the left. LOL!
I don’t believe you. Gimme a link to the original site if you dare.
I guess you are talking about the score “Sports (Low-light ISO)”
Dxomark says:
“Thus low-light ISO is the highest ISO setting for a camera that allows it to achieve an SNR of 30dB while keeping a good dynamic range of 9 EVs and a color depth of 18bits.”
This said, the scores are:
– Nikon D800E: 2979 ISO
– Nikon D810: 2853 ISO
– Sony A7R: 2743 ISO
So there isn’t really any significant difference. Then this score has nothing to do with performance at high ISO (above 6400).
If you check the SNR measurements, you’ll see there is no difference at all between Nikon D810 and Sony A7R.
You.
Same sensor different bayer filter.
Hope they fix the loud electronic first curtain shutter.
I too hope Sony fix something that didn’t exist in the first model and doesn’t make any noise by definition. 😉
There have been a few comments about the significantly loud shutter from the first a7 body. Sony NEX has always had louder than normal physical shutter since the first NEX-5. If Sony would fix it, it would be perfect. The a7s electronic shutter is a first step, but not they need to put it in all their bodies, or at least make the physical slap less noisy. I was hoping the bigger a7ii body would block the noise more, but unfortunately it doesn’t and is still as loud as my old a7.
A7r had never had EFCS
That wouldn’t change anything. EFCS is still quite loud.
eh…EFCS… is Electronic…no moving parts… so EFCS has not sound….its the back shutter that’s still too loud for you…. but a fully electronic shutter should fix that….but that is only useful in certain situations where your subject isn’t moving…still it will allow silent shooting….
I think you’re doing it wrong.
Nope. I’m just not deaf.
lol, nice 1.
A7R II will suffer from electronic shutter shock?
the A7s II is for me … with ISO improvement 🙂
but why do they keep that stupid RAW and not use DNG ?
That applies to all proprietary RAW formats. They are all superfluous and highly annoying from the customers perspective. I don’t know the exact reasons they have for that, but I am pretty sure it’s not stupidity. Whatever reason they have, it shows us at least one thing: That they absolutely don’t care what customers want, as long as they buy their products.
If they can have silent shutter on a 36MP camera, then why can’t Sony just make 1 pro body that has high resolution, 4k video and silent shutter, instead of splitting them into 3 bodies? Just have a ‘normal’ Sony a7 and a ‘pro’ a9. Instead of having an a7, a7ii, a7r, a7rii, a7s, a7sii, a9, a9r, a9s etc etc etc etc. Why does Sony insist on milking every last cent from the consumer?
They have three bodies with different MP count and different set of other characteristics.
36MP sensor cannot produce the video output of A7s for now for many many reasons. So for video 12MP is here to stay until 8K becomes popular
A7r and A7 may merge into one body possibly sooner. For me though A7 was better than A7r. So one body like A7r would have been disappointing. One body as A7 would have been disappointing for other people…..so horses for courses….
A9 is interesting for some people but not for me. It is going to cost a lot
If they can have silent shutter at 36MP, they can easily do video. They just want you to buy all 3 bodies for the $$$$. Sony is greedy.
There is no way on earth that in 2015 that a A7r with 36 megapixels can perform like an A7s can at its same price and size!
And by the time a future A7r (A7r mk5??? 😛 ) at last catch up with the A7s, the A7s successors will be waaaay ahead of that point.
uh, with pixel skipping/pixel binning like that the video will not even close to a7s quality.
Not quite sure. 36MP is quite a bit. They may not be able to do full sensor read out. 12MP on the other hand is exactly 4K
To be fair the a7 and a7r have very different markets. If the a7r becomes a good all rounder (ie at least equals the a7ii on noise, af speed, ibis and hand held sharpness), I could see them merging, assuming the a9 drives a7 prices down…
If you can get 36MP camera to perform in low light like the A7s then yes, no need for A7s anymore.
ok this is my new camera. I always felt a bit sorry A7r was not good enough so I bought A7. If AF is sort of fixed and there is silent shutter and IBIS I have really not much more to wish for.
Will they do anything about the noisy shutter? Hope the silent shutter won’t have any issues like banding in certain lights like the a7s. Even the normal half shutter is too loud compared to DSLRS.
A7r has only full front and rear mechanical shutter i.e. 2 shutters!! A7 and A7ii feature “half” shutter aka EFCS
But the EFCS doesn’t help as it’s still quite noisy. Noisier than most DSLRS unfortunately.
True, it’s louder than even most full frame DSLRs.
No, it’s really not.
Hmm… dunno about that. I find it less intrusive than the ‘CLACK’ of a 5D MkIII, for example.
That is the mirror slap….
Thanks, Captain Obvious. And?
…. And you are a Sony fanboy…
Great comeback. Truly inspired.
Not if you shoot in LiveView. Not so obvious, eh?
Well that comes with compromises on a Canon body, so yeah, still pretty obvious.
Great comeback. Truly inspired.
And why doesn’t that count as shutter noise? It happens every time the shutter goes off.
I’ll take it with minimal functionality, even with banding I’ll take it over mechanical.
S-log2?
and XAVCs and 4K please!
My a7rii wishlist:
– Silent shutter
– original a7 body (a7ii body is too thick)
– IBIS
– 50MP
– AF improved by 300% (CDAF is still quite slow compared to PDAF)
– Quiet EFCS (about half the noise of the current shutters)
The extra thickness is needed for the IBIS. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
can’t do a7 body AND IBIS as the stabilization module is too big
You can but it would likely require a one piece body design and that would be expensive
smh
If you get silent shutter…EFC is practically a free extra.
LOL cant even set any Emount to ‘release priority’ for AF. Need a real Amount Alpha for that. Elpha chumps let camera decide when to snap. What a silly little flashless system. Halfbaked.
Yet still Sony denies her A mount loyalists the best sensor tech in pro grade body. Disgusting.
I’m a current A7R owner and three things I would like if I’m going to buy:
– On-chip PDAF with better low-light focusing capabilities (will that happen if it’s the same sensor!?)
– Uncompressed RAW, if only to silence the trolls…
– Better mount build quality, the corners are wearing away on mine – might have to invest in a tough e-mount
Still love my A7R and will take more than an incremental update to see me part with it…. maybe the A9 will do that..?
Not even at all interested in this camera. I want a travel camera that is light and small with hopefully a video mic input. Where’s the Sony A6000 successor??????
I am not interest in these tiny battery toy camera as well. 😛
I want a DSLR size with ergonomic grip for good balance for 70-200 F2.8 & 150-600.
Where is the 1DX / D4S competitor ? 🙂
Right! Where is the Sony’s Roadmap 2015 Trinity-Trio: 4K, Autofocus Speed, High ISO ?
the a6000 has only been available for literally 10 months.
Oh really didn’t even realize it was not even that long. How long is it better each cycle for sony? I already shoot with a Nikon Full Frame but I want something small like the A6000. I would just at the A6000 but the only thing missing for me is a 3.5mm mic input. I could also do a external voice recorder, but then my Rode Video mic would be useless for the time being…. Something that was so simple to put in on the A6000 and Sony didn’t do it lol.
I just want a A6000 with a touchscreen.
I want to be able to disable the LCD. I don’t mean to simply show black pixels
I want it to shoot pictures, not millions of pixels gathered together in a file.
You’re showing yet another example of how you’re an illiterate person that misunderstands everything. I said, I want to DISABLE THE LCD. I didn’t mention anything to do with shooting pictures…
To elaborate. If I am using the EVF and only the EVF, to save battery life, it would be nice to disable the LCD. Not simply have it show black pixels
You can’t do that on A7 cameras?
Seems strange.
No. The LCD stays illuminated, wasting battery life. Black pixels are shown so it gives an illusion that the LCD has been disabled.
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/saradmin/new_sony_fe_roadmap_hints_more_fast_primes_sony_says_fast_portrait_lens_is_coming_among_them/#comment-1923502248
Perhaps someone would like to tell this clever person that “go crazy” isn’t an insult when you’re referring to “indulge yourself”; furthermore, perhaps they can tell him that for portraiture, especially studio portraiture, wider apertures are not the norm.
He keeps misunderstanding everything that is written because he’s illiterate
A good idea would be to get IGZO from Sharp, the LCD would consume 80% less power on a still image, backlit screen+black pixels=still image.
Yeah, yeah I’m illiterate. It’s a simple joke, no intention to talk about shooting pictures.
It’s not supposed to show anything but the way you said the request that you wanted. You can disable the LCD from the menus too (Put it to VF only). Bringing a very different topic on a random article is a notoriously stupid doing, just a note, even more stupid if it’s delusional and full of idiotic claims like ‘illiterate’.
Disabling LCD in the menu causes the LCD to remain illuminated, only it illuminates black pixels. You cannot deactivate the screen. You are as ignorant as you are illiterate
‘You are as ignorant as you are illiterate’
‘I can, in fact, disable the LCD completely. Only problem is, there’s no shortcut for that particular option, there’s only the “black pixels” (Deactivate Monitor) shortcut in the Custom Key Settings.’
‘Absolutely no illumination whatsoever, completely blacked-out. I just tested it in my darkroom, you know, just to be sure. ‘
Keep the insults going to embarrass yourself, Bob.
Wow – we agree on something
I don’t even know who you are but okay
Nobody knows who you are either!
Obviously, but I don’t come out with comments like “we agree on something”, implying that I know the person
But you are a legend on this forum, thanks to your username…
You took it from Greek mythology, right?
I can remember, that on either a A7 or A6000 the EVF turned out to eat more battery than the LCD screen. I don’t remember who made this test, but I remember the result because the testers have expected a different result.
Consider two scenarios.
1.
LCD is illuminated, it is not used.
EVF is used, it is illuminated when the eye gets near the camera.
2.
LCD is not illuminated, it is not used.
EVF is used, it is illuminated when the eye gets near the camera.
Which do you think uses more battery life? Your point is irrelevant in this scenario, is it not?
I’d like to use the EVF and disable the LCD
I should add, the test was faulty by the way. They didn’t realise the LCD could not be disabled so obviously if you’re using only the LCD, it’s going to use more battery than LCD and EVF.
If you cannot disable the LCD. How can you test which uses more battery life? It seems pretty dumb to me
Sony claims:
A7 battery life: 270 shots using VF, 340 using LCD
This makes confusion.
It does not, because when you use the EVF, the LCD is still illuminated. Are you suffering from a mental condition?
Seriously what is your problem?
I just explained you cannot disable the LCD.
LCD + EVF
vs
LCD
=
LCD uses less battery life
Are you RETARDED?
I’ve understood what you said…
I’ve just said that Sony is making confusion with their claim…
They’re saying (if what you quoted is correct) you get less shots with the EVF.
When you use the EVF, you’re also using the LCD.
EVF + LCD > LCD.
I’m saying, disable the LCD and keep the EVF as it is (disabled until eye goes near the camera).
If you’ve understood me correctly, how have they made a confusion with their claim?
You’re expecting EVF + LCD to use less battery life than just the LCD? If so, why? Why would that be the case?
I am confused
Don’t worry…. You are able to understand….
Sony says: A7 battery life = 270 shots VF, 340 LCD
Most people understand: 270 shots with VF ONLY (LCD disabled).
Is it so hard to understand?
You’re genuinely retarded. I just told you that when you use the EVF, the LCD remains illuminated but shows black pixels
OK… you are hopeless….
Farewell…
“I want to be able to disable the LCD. I don’t mean to simply show black pixels”
When I go in the menu and “disable” the LCD, it remains enabled but shows black pixels.
You’re the one that doesn’t seem to understand this. Either that or you’re simply talking about something entirely different, in which case, that’s your fault for going off topic
if that’s the case, then that means the menu on my A7S is a bit different than the A7, because under the gear icon menu, page 3, the FINDER/MONITOR settting lets me choose between “Auto” (where it toggles between LCD and EVF, “Viewfinder” (where ONLY the EVF turns on) and “Monitor” (where ONLY the LCD turns on).
So basically, I can, in fact, disable the LCD completely. Only problem is, there’s no shortcut for that particular option, there’s only the “black pixels” (Deactivate Monitor) shortcut in the Custom Key Settings.
I use EVF-only for street shooting, but I’d look pretty silly reviewing my shots using the EVF. I mean I can turn the LCD back on, but I have to keep navigating the menu through the EVF to turn it on each time. Hopefully, the A7RII will include this option in the Custom Key Settings.
But anyway, what Chaz said, perhaps Sony came up with the number of shots based on EVF-only and LCD-only setting, just like, I assumed, what Sony said about my A77, where the number is less if using the EVF. But please, correct me if I’m wrong. Cheers. 🙂
Disabling LCD in the menu causes the LCD to remain illuminated, only it illuminates black pixels. You cannot deactivate the screen
It’s a pity it is a LCD screen and not something like Samsungs OLED, where black pixels not need to be light and consume almost no power.
If someone linked you to a load of photographs for you to look at and said “go crazy”, would you see it as an insult? I didn’t mean it as an insult.
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/saradmin/new_sony_fe_roadmap_hints_more_fast_primes_sony_says_fast_portrait_lens_is_coming_among_them/#comment-1923502248
Also, I agree. OLEDS are superior to LCD. Hopefully they improve their screens in the future
Are you MAD?
‘If someone linked you to a load of photographs for you to look at and said “go crazy”, would you see it as an insult? I didn’t mean it as an insult.’
That could give someone a diarrhea.
I can on my A7S. Absolutely no illumination whatsoever, completely blacked-out. I just tested it in my darkroom, you know, just to be sure. It’s different than the Deactivate Monitor option, where the LCD is not completely turned off. Perhaps it’s different on the A7, I’m not sure.
LOL…
Disabling LCD in the menu causes the LCD to remain illuminated, only it illuminates black pixels. You cannot deactivate the screen. Your quote is a fabrication, I did not say that
That Bob must have some serious personality disorders and cognitive problems….
I’m really sorry for him but I can’t take him seriously.
In the previous posts I was just saying that what Sony claims about A7 battery life can be easily misunderstood.
In fact a lot of people misunderstood, even online reviewers. They genuinely believe the EVF consumes more battery than the screen.
Probably Sony refers to battery life in Auto mode (finder/monitor), so it is obvious that using the EVF (+ LCD not disabled) drains more the battery than using only the LCD.
Everyone knows that.
But are we sure that the LCD can’t be disabled?
Some people say it is possible.
Less battery life, I made a typo
Lcd concumes a lot of battery when it is lit. I don’t think a bkack one takes much battery.
LCD always consumes the same amount of power unless it’s turned off, by then it consumes 0, all or none.
Just remove the screen. Disassemble the camera, pull out the screen lol
Yes – now makes sense to me.
LCD is always on, EVF is additional battery eater.
If EVF is eating 100 shots of battery life, I wonder how much LCD is eating?!?
Exactly, and if the EVF remained to only turn on when the eye gets near the camera. Then the camera wouldn’t use much battery when not being used
If you had an issue with the Eye start, you wouldnt be able to use the camera. (without a hard reset).
I think if that option exited, there would be a lot of user errors and warranty claims.
For what its worth here is what I think would be cool, if I could program a button that would turn the back LCD on and off. I use it for occasional “chimping” and normally have it set to the data view which I like. This way I could just hit a button to have the screen come on so that I can check my settings and then go back off. Also for crying out loud give me a sensitivity setting for the eye proximity detector! Quit switching screens when I am 2” to 2-1/2” away from the eye piece as it is a pain when trying to use the back LCD for low shots and you keep toggling the eyepiece 🙂
I with they’d just give us the articulating LCD like on the A99, which allows you to have it off by just flipping it backwards (which also makes for built-in LCD protection).
wire snips?
An A7 user said on dpreview forum:
“I got 920 images before the camera shut down. It is quite an interesting number of pictures since I’ve read too many negative about this specific point.”
Settings used :
+ LCD and EVF brightness: Low
+ 10 Seconds to sleep
+ Airplane Mode
@Bob: The LCD can be turned off entirely (including the backlight) if you switch View Mode to View Finder only. When you get close to the VF, the VF will turn on, otherwise both monitors are off.
It would be nice if we can toggle between the View Mode with a custom button but it’s not possible in the current firmware.
Do you have any proof of this? Because I’m in study right now, looking at the backlight and it’s clearly illuminated. What model of camera are you using? Perhaps it’s different in the a7s or something
I’m using the A7II although it could be done with the A6000 as well. This setting could be universal to the A6/7 series as I doubt Sony would willingly differentiate this small feature.
Of course both cameras above were released after the original A7 series so this may not be there from start. On the A7II it’s in 2nd page, FINDER/MONITOR .
I’m using the A7II but the A6000 behaves the same way. By default the camera switches between monitor & view finder automatically and you should see that the LCD is completely off when the VF turns on.
The FINDER/MONITOR setting (on the 2nd page in the A7II) lets you change the active monitor to either the LCD or VF only. If it is set to VF only, it will only be turned on when you get close to it. The LCD stays off the entire time.
A custom button that toggles between Auto & VF only would be best IMO as the LCD is certainly useful in some cases when composing the shot.
What you said also applies to A7/A7R.
That guy simply didn’t read the manual….
He only rented the A7R and believes he knows everything about it….
Poor fellow… He thinks he’s too cool to read the manual….
fyi
http://helpguide.sony.net/ilc/1450/v1/en/contents/TP0000226632.html
Are you saying that Bob made another epic fail?
What epic fail? How about turning off BOTH viewfinder and LCD for timelapse? You can turn off LCD by forcing viewfinder only but I don’t what viewfinder on when I do timelapse.
Sorry, but you clearly don’t know what are you talking about….
How have I made an epic fail? I’m saying, if you try to set up the camera as it comes by default, and you disable the LCD. The LCD remains illuminated
You might want to consider consulting a psychologist…
This is your EPIC FAIL:
Bob (4 days ago):
“Please add the ability to turn off/disable the LCD altogether. I don’t mean for it to show black pixels and still be illuminated. I mean DISABLE the LCD. Upvote if anyone else would like this feature.
http://community.sony.com/t5/Join-the-Inspiration/Disable-LCD-on-sony-alpha-a7rii-and-a7-cameras/idi-p/495772“
The whole Sony community must be laughing at him…
I don’t need an FYI. I’ve used the camera, and it’s pretty apparent none of you have. Rent it, wait until night-time and look at the LCD. It’s clearly illuminated
for me this is not a big issue, anyway i will check tonight.
I just checked my camera which is a7ii. I turned off monitor and looked at the lcd in a dark room. It was completely off and there was no backlight.
Also viewfinder was off unless I brought camera to my eyes.
Can you post a video about it, please?
Bob doesn’t understand things well… To convince him, you have to show him proof….
He’s paranoid: he genuinely believes people always try to humiliate him…
I will buy this camera if only for the more rugged body and 5 axis IBIS … the Sony 36Mpix sensor is proven and fantastic…. but what I hope they fix on all their cameras is all firmware…. Give me the options of 14 bit lossless compressed and uncompressed raw and let me set minimum shutter speed for Auto ISO.
Please add
-Refined sensor
-More rugged materials/design
-Better RAW
That’s it… Best Landscape choice before the 50MP Sony.
PS. Stop shouting about the Canon 5D, it’s not any better than old 36MP, said a reviewer.
More rugged materials/design is already done in A7II – you will get the same in A7RII
It doesn’t say that in the article, it doesn’t mention ‘materials and rugged design’, so it’s worth saying IMO.
-Refined sensor
-More rugged materials/design
-Better RAW
Sounds like a D810
Not many complaints regarding the lack of EFS. Does this mean that most of you expect the IBS to mitigate the shutter shock? I think that EFS also results in a quieter shutter and know that there are some downsides when using silent shutter.
How do you know that Sony did not address the shutter shock issue?
I am pretty sure if you are adding IBIS you have to add electronic first curtain so that would eliminate the shutter shock issue . The camera has to have EFC or it’s not worth the upgrade to us A7r users and with that we get 1/250 sync speeds as well.
I said all along having the A7II as well all Sony really needs to do is drop that 36mpx sensor in the A7II body with all its upgrade and I’m all over it and sell my A7r.
Frankly I think that is exactly what they are doing. Couple extra features would be nice but bottom line they need to fix the A7r issues and this alone would do that
EFSC sorry . Electronic first shutter curtain
When I contacted them, they said they had not received any complaints and there are no known issues
Let’s get real they would not admit it nor would any other OEM. Been in this business 40 years and no one admits a mistake unless the complaints are in the hundreds of thousands.
Indeed, but the moment they advertise the new camera as an awesome, non shaking device, I’m going to spam their email everywhere and call them out for being the liars that they are. I’d have preferred they ignored the email than to simply lie to me
That doesn’t mean they haven’t made changes to the shutter mechanism. Who did you contact? Low level functionary? Camera designer? You may be amazed that different people may have different answers to your question.
Did I miss something? Who mentioned that the A7RII doesn’t have EFC?
Nobody mentioned this. Given that it wasn’t mentioned and that there were many complaints regarding A7r shutter shock with certain shutter speeds, I was surprised that there wasn’t more conversation regarding this being left out of the initial (SR3) post. Since my post, there has been more discussion of this issue. Of course, the specifics regarding camera features are still a mystery.
Is the shutter shock *really* that strong? I saw videos where they put a glass of water onto a 5D mark III and an A7R. The mirror was making lots more shake than the shutter of the A7R.
It is pretty strong. Also because the camera has an insane amount of shutter lag, when you press the shutter button and concentrate to hold the camera steady, the camera begins to expose the shot slightly afterwards… The shutter shock exists on a tripod though so that’s not user error
I don’t understand why people ask for silent shutter. I prefer a quiet shutter sound than no sound. Is taking photos with some shutter sound embarrassing?
Useful in places like restaurants, concert…. or in video.
You are right, for some situations it is good but for my type of photography (nature, city,…) I wouldn’t care much about the sound.
If you do street with ultrawide half a meter close to somebody’s face using flip screen as cover…then any shutter sound would blow your cover, and make the following scenario very embarrassing, this may ultimately hinder you from releasing that shutter. On the other hand you could walk away satisfied with an impressive photo almost impossible to shoot with a DSLR, or any model without a silent shutter.
Well I meant city scapes not from strangers
Its not about the sound. Its a mechanical thing that causes a shaking body. Especially with hig-res sensors, this leads to a suffering in image-quality.
In general, the louder the shutter sound, the more shaking the body.
I own A7II, so I think that wouldn’t be a problem for this cam.
Yes – A7II is more silent than A7 and A7 is more silent than A7R. And the A7R is the one that would benefit most of having less shutter-shock, because it has highest resolution. So for A7R (mk1) it is a topic, whereas A7II has no concerns with a shutter shock.
I think you are misunderstanding Silent shutter like the one in A7S and the mechanical shutter issue with the A7R. It’s two different things. For the mechanical issue, you are right.
Oh – reading the post (- slient shutter mode) I was thinking the A7R gets the same shutter-option than A7S. Using this option would result in having no mechanical shutter shock at all.
The only thing I don’t understand is, why there is a mechanical shutter in the camera-body if they can do it completely electronic. And for some reasons use the loudspeaker to simulate the shutter-sound.
Or I am completely wrong and in A7S silient shutter mode, there is still something mechanical moving?
Electronic shutter takes more CPU usage. More mega pixels adds to the issue. Another disadvantage is it suffers “rolling shutter”. An example of this can be seen in video when you pan the camera left and right against a staircase. This same effect can be seen in still photography with electronic shutters
Thanks – I found this topic adressed in dpreview forum and I think I understand (for the 2nd curtain):
A mechanical shutter simply stops light hitting the sensor. Then there is plenty of time to do a readout, because the gathered light information of the sensor does not change anymore.
A electronic shutter does not stop light hitting the sensor. It must rely reading the sensor out very quickly. This results in either a rolling shutter or in a readout with less bit per pixel (or somehow a compromise between those both effects you don’t want to have). And as Bob said – the more pixels, the worse the effect.
So in theory for long exposures, there should be no image quality difference between mechanical and electronic shutter. ( IF the manufacturers Software does a readout with full bit-depth for long exposures)
What I’m really waiting for is a global shutter. Full sensor readout all at once. Some people ask why this is so important to me. Quite simply, it will simulate a leaf shutter when using strobes or monolights. Bottom line is flash sync at any speed. Daylight flash photography stops being a technical issue.
nothing mechanical when usinf A7s silent shutter. but using silent shutter has draw backs in image quality
Wedding ceremony, sleeping baby, classical concerts, … there are many things where this is extremely useful. And you only enable it when you need it with the A7s.
Yes, the Sony RX100’s shutter is totally silent too.
RX100 has leaf shutter
I love leaf shutter. Flash synch at any speed. Forget about this EFCS or full electronic shutter. I want a global shutter that will mimic a leaf shutter for daylight flash use.
so a7IIr is the a7II with 36mp. doesnt surprise me at all.
lets see whats coming after this one.
Is there a reason the a7r cannot use the same shutter mechanism as the A7?
I honestly don’t know why Sony could not and why they did what they did on the A7r . It made no sense at all more importantly technically why they did.
Such limitations in the upper class cameras ALWAYS have technical reasons. See above my answer :).
Of course, otherwise they would use the same, doh ;)…
Clearing 36 MP in exactly(!) 1/160s from top to bottom was not doable back then in that small device. And it needs to be clearing it exactly the correct speed as otherwise your picture would get darker or lighter from top to bottom.
I doubt that silent shutter is doable with a 36 MB FF sensor in such a small device these days without overheating. I doubt this will come.
Agree.
They will probably offer a electronic first curtain mode which will reduce vibration and make it sligtly less noisy too. They couldn’t do that on the A7r as the sensor in A7r didn’t support electronic first curtain. However, the newer 36MP sensor in D810 do support it and they might use the same sensor in the A7r II (A7r used the same sensor as D800).
Electronic shutter is also a possibilty. It doesn’t require much power, but it you get rolling shutter effects if the subject move.
Lots of mirrorless support electronic shutters of this type, global elctronic shutter is what’s difficult.
Yeah, same thinking here, see my post above. D810 has it using a Sony sensor, so why shouldn’t a newer a7Rii.
Doubt is the kindling for innovation.
Silent shutter?? Then sold!! Don’t need 50mp anyways!
Same sensor? that means same no phase detect? how can the AF be faster?
A7II is said to have the same sensor as A7 – and tests showed A7II has 30% faster AF.
Panasonic GH4 has only constrast AF and it is quite fast. Maybe it is just a software / CPU-power issue.
we’ll it says new processor so i hope you’re right.
Why don’t E-Mount cameras have “release priority’ for the AF system? Hard to consider these pro grade when the photographer has to wait for the camera to decide when to take a picture. A-Mount allows both “release priority” and “AF priority” selection. E-Mount simply doesn’t.
Why?
Sony has a hard time shedding their pocket snapshot camera DNA. They just don’t think like pros do.
Sony should infuse more Minolta DNA ergonomics into all E-Mount products.
That’s why most of us are here to begin with.
I would think they could meet up with the Cine-Alta F65 buddies and get pro pretty right.
Not for native E lenses nor adapted lenses with LAEA-4. No release priority available. And forget about using teleconverters with LAEA-4 adapters. It’s never worked and Sony refuses to fix the problem. Aperture just reads “–“. Stupid. I thought these were supposed to be real Alpha’s. They are not. Not even close.
Canon teleconverters work fine with Metabones adapter. Why can’t Sony’s own native adapter work with Minolta/Sony teleconverters. Ridiculous.
a legit beef if there ever was one.
Do they work with 3rd party TCs like Kenko ?
use back button af
Thanks and good suggestions. But I left Canon CF4 because I like the Mino/Sony solution with AF/MF button toggle much better. Back button focus on Sony will send me back to Canon and their great lens collection.
Or maybe I’ll just stick with genuine A-Mount that doesn’t mandate AF priority like E-Mount toys do.
You’re mistaken. These cameras have NEVER been considered pro-grade. Sony never claimed they were. They are consumer grade as stated by Sony.
Correct yourself please. k thanks.
Pentax Q cameras have “release priority”
But they’re supposedly considered “Alphas”. And all Alphas have release priority… Until E Mount Elpha toys were invented.
My a200 isn’t considered pro-grade either. But it has release priority.
Sony Emount= less function for the money? It’s not useful for video either.:-)
em5ii have release priority,
but if you read the review from dpreview,
you will understand why.
Because it is completely useless, under release priority, you will get tons of out focus image only.
Mirrorless camera is not design for shooting fast moving object,
if shutter timing is critical , you need a DSLR with sophistical AF, not those toy camera.
If it really has a silent shutter mode I will probably buy one and not wait for the rumored 50 MP version.
A7ii doesnt have silence shutter, so A7rII probably won’t have it too.
No silent shutter = no deal.
The a7II doesn’t have while the original a7 did? Can anybody confirm this, makes no sense to me.
A7, A7II : electronic front-curtain
A7s:electronic front AND back curtain (silence shutter)
A7r: No electronic curtain at all
Ah, okay, I thought EFCS and silent shutter is basically the same thing, but you’re right, the a7s has no curtain at all.
I’m not sure but I think that a full electronic shutter (A7s alike) is very difficult to implement with a lot of pixels. Maybe A7RII will have a kind of “quiet shutter”, but I have serious doubt about a “silent shutter”…
I would hope it has slog as well.
I guess the 50mp sensor will reserved for the A9(?) series?
I hope it’s not reserved for Canon only 🙂
It won’t coz now all medium format sensors are Sony-made~
As I understand, the Nikon D810 has EFCS, and it uses a 36MP sensor made by Sony, supposedly a bit more modern than the one in the original a7R. So, despite the a7RII having “the same 36MP sensor” as the a7R, maybe it is still this newer 36MP version. Otherwise, I’d second the comments of others: No EFCS, no deal – I just had too many problems with shutter shock when using the FE 70-200 at its long end hand-held. Even with my very good (and heavy) Gitzo 1348 tripod I see a slight loss of crispness when using shutter speeds in the range of 1/60 – 1/125 compared to either 1/30 or 1/250. It’s not a loss as in “renders image unusable” but still it doesn’t show the lens (or the camera) at its most capable, and that’s a pity.
This guy was speaking about this issue in the middle of the page (see the blur between a A7 and a A7R on the photo): http://www.verybiglobo.com/sony-fe-70-200-f4-g-oss-lens-review-part-3/
Thanks, really sounds very much like my experience, but mine wasn’t as bad – I didn’t have much of a problem at 135mm or shorter, and also none at 1/200, but I also experienced even more of a problem with portrait orientation.
Hopefully an all metal lens mount will help with the problem. I can’t do high grade art copies between 1/60th and 1/250th shutter speed. No tripod solves this problem.
So you’re saying that I could possibly get rid of that problem by buying one of those third-party all-metal mounts. Hmmm, would be a lot cheaper than a new camera…
“– Faster autofocusing”
So, phase-detect auto focus (ala a7/a7ii, a6000) or not?
Probably the A7RII will get the same focus system i.e. Contrast Detection and 25 focus points. But the rumors specs speak an improved focus anyway.
I would think it is likely the same implementation as that in the A7II, being firmware based, rather than a sensor modification.
To be honest, although I think Sony would help their image more than it would cost them in sales by updating the older model’s firmware, I understand why they have gone down this route. More money for little greater investment and, boy, do they need it!
Phase detect is a sensor thing, as it is presumed the new A7r has the same 36MP sensor there will be no phase detect AF and the improved AF would likely be from the new Bionz processor and/or better code implementation.
36 MB and then a silent shutter? The sensor readout will be slower on a 36MP sensor than on a 12MP or 24MP sensor. The A7II doesn’t have silent shutter, so go figure! This is a hoax
Not likely a hoax. More likely an added feature to help justify the price difference between original A7r and new A72 vs the new A7R.
It would be an extremely slow silent shutter. Just hope nothing moves.
I think EFCS is a racing certainty, but a silent shutter is very unlikely.
If the silent shutter is true + IBIS, that alone is worth the upgrade. Fingers crossed.
I thought the same.
I was personally hoping for on-sensor PD AF, but if the above improvements turn out to be true, that would be a pretty significant upgrade.
I doubt it… why didn’t they do it to the a7II then? Im guessing it really is front curtain shutter, which still is an improvement.
Guess this means Sony are continuing with lossy raw file compression 🙁
Never used sony. What is the problem with their raw files? How lossy are they?
They retain about 95-99% original data and save 30% in memory space.
They retain about 10% of the data, save 30% in memory space and print like crap. The a7ii sensor in a nikon camera looks beautiful. Go figure
Can you send a real world picture that prints like crap please? (That doesn’t include star trails)
Its mostly a completely blown out of proportion issue. In very rare and extreme cases the compression causes artifacts but you have to really screw up a photo to face these artifacts.
After reading about the hopes, troubles and wishes to be solved by the A7rII. I have decided to wait for the A99II to come.
After so many articles about mighty new 50+ Mpix sensor, etc, etc… In the end 7rII will be 7II body with 7r mark I sensor. 🙂
Yes that would be the great marvel of beeinga consumer .. Getting these incremental updates.. Nikon D5300 to D5500 being a prime example of nothing. Sony using us as beta testers etc.
The higher resolution sensor might make its debut in the new full-frame a-mount, whenever that camera arrives. Think about it – Sony can fit more powerful processor due to better cooling and larger-capacity battery. A powerful processor will be needed to move all that data from the larger sensor. It will also fall in line with their official stance that a-mount is for the Pros.
If they put in an advanced type of full frame A77II focusing system and 50MP…KILLER. Sony can stuff everything in the A mount they’d like. I personally give them permission to go ape style and make it massive. Seal of approval if it buries the competition and makes them beg for mercy. LOVE LIVE A MOUNT!!
Is there any news of the A99II??? Thanks
Next week, 1st of April,
you will get some news from a-mount 😛
is this another rumor?
It’s called April Fools.
you spoiled it
I would have hoped for an improvement in EVF (size, resolution, how about an optional round eyepiece) and many software things (LCD off, better peaking, more informative magnified view etc.). Some things still feel fiddly on the A7II, that would be easy to fix.
Just like that annoying “Running on NTSC” every time I start up and/or return from sleep mode.
More selective peaking would be nice. It’s way too broad.
Exact same upgrade an A77II, but much more welcome.
Dear Sony,
Just make a dslt (A99II) with low noise capability as the A7s, accurate con. focus similar to nikon d4s or canon 1dx, 36mp or 24mp, fully weather sealed body and razor sharp image quality. I will gladly pay you 6,000 for this camera.
36mp slt camera with noise performance that equals the 9 month old a7s – come on, that’s fantasy. The other items are possible. For the SLT/a-mount cameras to be relevant Sony needs to position them to do the things e-mount cameras currently cannot offer – rugged, fast cameras with exceptional AF across the frame, better battery life, and internal 4k. A new 24mp sensor would be fine if it gets to a clean iso 6400. E-mount makes more sense for the high res, studio cameras.
Fantasist.
EFCS, or no deal. Give me EFCS over silent shutter any day. Doesn’t silent shutter have it’s drawbacks ?
I am 100% sure Sony is going to fix that. They received a lot of flak for the shutter shock on what is an amazing camera so they should have their bases covered this time given this is just an incremental upgrade.
Is that’s all the change they make and still wanna sell for $2100… Good luck with that, that’s almost $1000 more than a used A7R, will likely drop to around $1000 or $1100 used once A7II is out.
Only $2100? The A7R was $2300, body only, at the introduction almost 1.5 years ago. Now they have added IBIS, silent shutter, new body and a number of tweaks. And still, the whining never ends…
Give us the A99II please for us workhorses. E-Mount makes for good backup or studio camera. That system also suits hobbyist! But for the rugged, fast and ergonomically-full challenges, A99II would be the way to go. 24mp, huge buffer, better than D4s speed and AF, super clean iso6400 and I’m sold! My 70200GII, 2470CZ, 1635CZ lenses are waiting and ready.
I’m with you, I have an A7r and am struggling to use it with my CZ lenses and have same as you, great lenses but too big for A7r, weight and balance too clumsy, controls too cramped to use quickly. Great performing lousy camera. I like the 36mpxl sensor, why not have it. We need a big well balanced, easy to use A9r workhorse. How hard’s that?
the best fit situation is to invent a LA-EA5 that have A mount high class focus speed like a77II and the more focus point than 15pts in LA-EA4. Then, the A mount body can be given up but the lens.
Problem is that the A mount lenses are optically superior to the E mount, and if a 50mpxl turns up its going to need the best glass to rersolve that amount of detail.
It won’t happen because adapter will be always too small. The only possibility is a hybrid/interchangeable mount.
Agreed, positioning a-mount to co-exist synergistically & complementary to e-mount makes the most sense. It doesn’t make sense to produce a-mount cameras that duplicate features in a larger body.
A-Mount is dead!! so stop hoping…
As much as I would like an A-mount flagship upgrade to happen, I’m thinking this isn’t likely ever going to happen given the complete lacklustre advantages that would come from this for Sony.
Hm, probably a pass, as much as I want IBIS, I’ve gotten used to using the A7r, so without a new sensor I don’t think it’s worth 2 grand or whatever. The “shutter shock” has never been an issue at the focal lengths that I shoot at.
Looking good to be honest. Just make the price slightly cheaper too and it will be a winner!
Everyone would love a cheaper price but if anything I expect a higher price. Or max to max very close to the original price.
Sony dont know nothin about cameras. They’re just a consumer electronics company. Go and make a walkman Sony.
You’re an idiot.
Although a reasonable upgrade its a bit boring. Bring on to 50mp etc
I want a much more quiet shutter.The noise is a problem from day one: Sony A100
Instead of the bulk of the a7ii,
I like the rangefinder style of the Sony A6000.
WOW – If it´s the same sensor they could have brought it to the market the same day they released the A7 II. More interesting is a possible A7000 AND a possible FS100 (and VG30) successor (for the “straight” video only guys and girls out there).
A existing 36mp sensor would not align with Sony’s stated strategy now that Canon has 50mp. I think everyone will be surprised when its released.
A7 is great who needs this ? unless it handles M wide’s then sign me up first in line.
If it’s possible they ought to give a quite shuttler mode to all the existing A7r owners and early adopters like myself via a firmware update. Let’s hope that Sony doesn’t overlook those of us that made this line a success.
B&H and other major sellers are now selling A7R with a free vertical grip & leather case for $1898, $400 cheaper than Sony.com. They are trying to sell their old stock ASAP. This means Sony will release a new camera very soon, maybe next week on 23rd of April 2015??
Yes! I hope you are right. I have been waiting for the new A7r variant eagerly. Believe it or not I sold my Nikon D800 2 weeks ago in anticipation of this possible coming announcement. I figured I better get out of my old DSLR before it’s worthless. I love the A7s and I really hope Sony IS coming out with a new A7r so I can pair it up as the perfect combination.
Electronic first curtain shutter? Badly needed, I tend to miss a lot of shots because of the slow first curtain.