I am very busy working on a whole bunch of rumors but let’s start with an important rumor correction. The highly trusted source who shared as first the 50MP camera rumor said that he misunderstood the release timing info he got directly from Sony. The 50MP camera is not going to be announced the next few weeks. But it’s definitely ready to be for sale within 2015. He said sorry to SAR readers for the wrong timing info but there was a miscommunication between Sony and him. The good news is that another source confirmed the camera will come this year and that indeed the Sony 50MP FF sensor has a very new design and will “easily” outperform the Canon 5ds sensor.
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and you really thought that sony will release an updated 36mpix a7rII at the same time as a 50mpix camera…
As far as I heard the new 50MP camera is not part of the A7 series anyway!
Any idea of the target user of the 50MP camera , is it studio/landscape with lesser ISO performance / lower framerates / poorer AF og the super fits all camera
landscape.
Something like a8 then, hope they don’t go on with the insane naming and name a landscape camera 9…
Sounds like I’ll stick to A7RmkII (if they have improved the sensor and AF)
I thought that the A7r vs the A7 would put to rest all the more MP = worse ISO debates but I guess not.
There is practically no difference in high ISO performance of the A7r and the 24 MP A7 which I use.
And why should a higher MP sensor have worse AF ? Poor frame rates is probably a given but there could be a lower MP high frame rate mode like the D810 has.
So A7RII is coming, but 50mp is not? So the camera coming later this year is the A9?
Exactly. Actually Sony told him it will ship within 2015 but did now not tell him when it will be announced.
Sony should up their game. They should aim for the 50mp release around the Canon 5Dsr release instead of playing around and release it when everyone already spent their money on the Canon 50mp cameras.
I mean, it is like Canon is teasing other manufacturers by setting the release date in 6 months. It seems they are confident that no one will get there before they do.
From today some will wait. Meaning of rumors, right!
Up their game?!? Canon released a 7D2 rip off sensor in a 4 year old body…You call that upping your game?!?
I wasn’t discussing the 7D2. I’m purely talking about 50mp sensors. Btw, the IQ differences between high end APS-C DSLRs is pretty minor, except that Canon lags in DR.
Edit: if you mean that the Canon 5Ds just uses a scaled up version of the 7DII in a 5DIII body, I get your point. I want to add that my main point is the release dates of the Canon/Sony 50mp sensor cameras, not the IQ of them.
The 50MP sensor is just a Scaled Up version of the APSC Sensor from the 7D2. That’s what he meant.
Thanks for clarifying.
It’s not about who has the bigger balls to do it first. Its about when the camera is ready for production. The reason why Canon announced the 50MP sensor so early is because they are feeling the pressure from users for higher megapixels. So, they are basically saying… “Look we can! We even have a 100MP prototype… Seeee! Please give us 6 months time.”
A big shot at Canon stating “Every Day I am saying ‘Speed Up'”. This is not normal for a big shot at a Japanese company to be saying. They are under pressure of becoming technologically behind on the Sensor front.
A big handicap for Canon is their sensor manufacturing technology is subpar compared to Sony’s.
What’s the chance that Sony will announce the 50mpx sensor before the Canon’s one hits the stores? If Sony can come out with a camera in 2015 it would be smart to steal the thunder from Canon before..
@admin: so within the next few weeks will it be A7rII + another camera or at this point -given the 50MP postponement towards the end of the year- will spring just mean an updated A7r? Thanks
Yes. A7rII is coming for sure. Will post more about it soon.
allthis costs 2500-3000$…and cano-sony play the happines of oh wounder it will come…
I speake only for movies, and so waht? NOW I WANT IT BUT DO NOT GET IT.
4k intern.. NO and NOT. NOT FROM SONY ( yes Fs-7 / 6900,-) and not from Canon.
But they make the funny 2010 megapixxirace 2.0.. ( if the supermodel in front, the next
25.000 million lightyears away Galaxy-photo-yes..)-but they do not look waht i- the
day working-film-customer wants. ( in this pricetag we have hot kinerwa mini 4k, and others..)
and so on… the Aps-c A7000 will it be NOT, same castrate like Samsung nx-500, and so
we see abig big deep SONY-HOLE up to the 6990,- border.
I say this because have sold my F3*…sniff…. and now…. other mothers have nice(er) daughters.
and for the simple fine Photo may old a77 does it well, with adapters, what ever…
*(old 3th hand hard bought cam)
is a zombie virus in Japan? 🙂
Are you sure this was intended for the public?
Maybe we should be asking the translate tool he is using…
“other mothers have nice(er) daughters”
I mean… seriously?
apart from the wording, this is a common saying in germany….
I think it is a random generating forumbot
wtf?
You might want to consider consulting a psychologist….
amazon…. GH-4…. 3 sec, 4 sec…. in 5 days it will be here..
Sony is now not longer in mind… look again in 2018… maybe…
Gh4 is a nice cam no doubt. Sony is taking to much time to make a Gh4 competitor with internal 4K recording 🙁
I don’t understand why the 1 inch sensor from Sony that’s in the Panasonic FZ1000 is capable of shooting 4k yet the same exact sensor in RX10 can only shoot in 1080p?
The next RX10 camera should have internal 4K because Sony doesn’t get why we are not buying their handicams. Handycams have terrible ergonomic. once you flip out the LCD screen the balance of the camera when on a stabilizer gets all out balance.
do we have anything at all for a mount 🙁
nope.
Yep, all users are advised to get up to date and move to e mount.
My sources say there will never be another A mount camera [SR5]
that sounds so wrong 🙂
are there any rumours in the horizon about a7s with IBIS ?
no.
So the A7RII is not the 50mp? Does this mean the A7RII will be $2,500 and the 50mp will be $3,000?
A7rII has very likely same A7r sensor. 50mp will be OVER $3000.
The A9 will have a 24MP sensor right?
The A9R should be the 50MP version?
I will buy the A9S for $5000 if the 4K is internal!
Same or similar? If it’s the same, then that means no EFCS; also means no PDAF. If it’s the D810 sensor then we get EFCS, if it’s a newer tweak still be might get PDAF.
So do you really mean *exactly* the same?
same sensor? so no EFC?
How high is the chance that we will see an A Mount cam unheared of until now?
low.
Good to hear that A7Rm2 is already in production and will be announced soon. If it has both of silent shutter and 5-axis IBIS, I’ll probably get it. Now I’m using A7S and it’s fantastic. But sometimes I really miss IBIS for my FE 55 and some classic lenses. If it doesn’t have above features, I’ll have to wait until A7Sm2 is released. However I think A7Rm2 won’t have silent shutter considering that A7m2 doens’t have it…
Yep. Got more confirmation abotu the A7rII launch. Will post about it soon. Also got some “unexpected” enw about the current A7II and A6000 cams.
Thank you very much for your time and effort. I’ll be looking forward to hearing some surprise!
Yesssss… A6100 or A7000 news I hope 😉
That means it will be from now on at least 2 weeks, like A7 II
Sounds like an interesting Firmware update is coming..? 🙂
I find it strange that you are happy with the A7S but will consider an “upgrade” to A7Rii. Thats taking a very different change in direction as both cameras are aimed at very different users.
I just want to try something different 🙂 If I have A7Sm1 and A7Sm2 at the same time, probably A7Sm1 will collect dust. However if I add A7Rm2 instead of A7Sm2, I’ll use the two cameras for their respective use.
I guess this sort of confirms the A7rII Specs:
36MP Sensor
EFCS Since its quite some time from the previous release
Maybe Even OSPDAF?
Most Likely the New A7II Body Style.
IBIS implementation should be no different from the A7II
This would basically ‘Fix’ all the issues with the previous A7r & also add IBIS. Even without the new 50MP sensor, this would still be an excellent upgrade. I wonder what the price would be though… If the price will remain the same & response is good, then the value of A7II will sort of depreciate. Most new buyers will just prefer the A7rII over the older 24 MP Sensor.
The next question, is that if the 50MP sensor is not in the A7rII, then where is it going to come? A9 or A Mount A99II? Definitely won’t release an A7rIII in the same year. Will it be new tech or same CMOS Bayer type design?
That basically makes me hope for a “fixed” A7RM2 and a 50 MP A99M2 A-mount. Maybe Sony just names all their flagships one digits and the upcoming A9 is just the A99 successor.
A 50 MP FE just don’t makes much sense from a technical and marketing standpoint. Why would you poleax you A7RM2 buyers only a couple of months later (whom you just already made their 2K investment 12 months later obsolete)? Sony has no to just a few FE lenses to support 50 MP. Handling is also better with bigger bodies. Sony’s marketing their A-mount cameras as the top-notch pro cameras but can’t deliver yet (or only on APS-C). And finally, Sony better reassures their customers that A-mount is not dead … A A99M2 would solve all this easily.
Who cares about 50mp.. Give us a A7sII with 24mp and IBIS.. 🙂
I think a 24mp sensor would ultimately water down the ISO capabilities. Don’t get me wrong; I hope it happens, but I think a 16mp sensor is more reasonable if they intend on increasing the resolution at all.
if it shoots 4K they will not increase the resolution as it is a full readout sensor at 4K.
That is the point many seem to forget.
Finally someone who gets it right. As long as 4K is the desired output, the 12MP is perfect. Yes, you can achieve a good 4K video with a higher resolution and proper binning technique in good light, but for poor light, which is the A7S forte, there’s nothing that beats a large sensor with large photosites with full pixel readout. Sony should not change the S-model pixel density until 6K or 8K becomes the standard, and it might take a few years until we are there. What Sony _might_ do is a 5K camera (around 14MP) to allow for cropping and stabilizing in post. But I think such specs are reserved for their larger video cameras.
Thinking loud about an optimal video-sensor resolution, I would think about sensor with these specs:
having 3840×2550 pixel in the inner APS-C area (23,5×15,6mm), beeing beeing able to record native 4K in APS-C crop mode. Call it 1.5x digital video-zoom if you want. At least it gives great opportunity to use cheap and light APS-C lenses.
Having this 3840×2160 (4K) resolution inside the APS-C area, this means you get 5882×3921 resolution on FF size. And this is a bit more than 23 mp…
@wretch: A7sII with 24 mp – yes. But I doubt sony will do this. I think, Sony wants to have the low-ISO monster on the entire market. I remember the time before A7s – there was the Nikon D4 with 16 mp, going up to 400K iso. The nikon was the low-light-monster at all. And after A7s nobody was speaking about D4 as a low-light monster anymore.
We others call a A7SII with 24 MP just A7II. If you don’t have the big sensor pixels, you won’t have the high ISO capabilities the A7S is famous for.
However, 16 MP would be better suited for photography and remains the sensor pixels large enough for high ISO values – I guess.
Agree. The difference between 12 and 16 mp is shown here:
Look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y19XBnti164
I think what wretch meant with “Give us a A7sII with 24mp and IBIS” is: add silent shutter and 4K video to A7ii
Dammit, every time I see A7S footage I’m impressed again, about how amazing the results are. The A7S whipes the floor with the D4S.
very happy with my a7s, bought it just a couple of months ago. I definitely don’t need IBIS or the 36mpx of my old nikon but would really much love the AF capability and burst rate from the A6000. AND a 135mm please!
I hope there will be a a7SII without IBIS, maybe 16MP or so. Video demands IBIS I know but one camera out of this line without IBIS but a everlasting battery… would be great.
Admin, is A7rII geting same 0EV AF sensitivity? I tried A7r and A7II but both AF perform hopelessly in low light shooting with any subject move what disqualify them for photoreports and weddings. A7s focuses to -3EV, is it possible A7rII will get it too? This is elementary feature that will decide about my move to Sony.
This is just a guess. But from what I understand, the reason why the A7s is able to AF in such low light is because of its ultra sensetive sensor (very low noise per pixel level). This is crucial as the AF on the A7s is using Contrast Detect which is based off what the sensor sees.
So, the other A7 series cameras may never be able to AF in as low light as the A7s. Although they will be just as competitive in good light. Just my theory.
Andrea, is there any news on whether there will be an A7 with a monochrome sensor?
Shoot in black and white (-3/0/+2). Use +5 DRO
There’s your ultra monochrome setting. Enjoy!
Oh boy, you are so smart. That’s the kind of comment, that brings nothing to the table. Absolutely superflous. Or do you really think that even a single person, who talks about a monochrome sensor, does not know that he can shoot black and white with any color sensor?
no.
Probably, that will never be happen. Do you really think there are nearly enough customers out there who would buy a monochrome Sony?
I mean, this is not even remotely comparable to the Leica MM. Leica has many customers who pay huge sums of money for intentionally restricting themself on the technical side, in order to get less distracted from the photography itself. Adding a monochrome sensor to this makes sense.
The Sony crowd is very different from that. Most buy a Sony for it’s many functions and its state of the art specs. There are very few, who really want to step back to gear with LESS functions (which costs even more).
I would definitively want an affordable monochrome camera. But I guessI we both are the only ones who would buy such a camera. 😉
Nikon d7200 has bw mode with extender iso range.
what does this have to do with true bw camera? it’s hard to find a digital camera which doesn’t feature bw shooting mode.
The extended iso is only for bw.
And the bw function on this camera is sopposed to be something special.
on the other hand, the production of bw camera is not difficult, the only difference is CFA and a bit software.
you can use solvent to remove bayer CFA.
It’s possible but extremely difficult to remove the CFA, given it’s proximity to the sensor surface, you have to remove it mechanically, not just with a solvent and if you touch any of the little wires near the edge of the sensor and the whole thing is a write off.
A Sony camera with a monochrome sensor will not be for everyone but i suspect Sony could sell +100k units if priced correctly. There is a real demand for such a camera and if it were mirrorless both Nikon & Canon users could use their lenses via adaptors.
The question is who will be making the 24MP monochrome CMOS sensor for the rumoured Leica update? If its Sony a A7M is a no brainer.
Last week it was rumoured Fuji might introduce a camera with a Monochrome senor, so fujirumors carried out a poll, which had interesting results.
At some point an affordable camera with a monochrome sensor will happen but its likely to come from someone like Fuji, Samsung or Pannasonic.
Why do you want one? Go read what John Paul Coponegro and other early Digital adopters have written about the advantages of processing monochrome images from RGB files. I would never want to be without the color filter options we now have via NIK Silver Effex 2.
Dunno about Andy, but I can tell you why I want one:
1.) When you take a picture, a transformation of reality in to a two-dimensional image with a fixed frame is done by the camera. That process (forced by the photographic equipment itself) is an essential part of the experience for anyone. Back in b/w film days, an additional transformation (forced by the equipment) from color to monochrome adds to the aforementioned one. There are a few photographers who want exactly that technical constraints like in the old film days, in their modern digital camera. Just for the experience. Just for fun.
(I must admit, that this one is very hard to explain. Most people will not understand, that there is a difference between shooting in b/w and shooting in color with b/w conversion in post.)
2.) No bayer filter blurring/upsampling. Sharp images at full resolution.
3.) 2 stops better high ISO performance.
4.) Better dynamic range.
Cheers.
They will not release such a camera for there’s no market for it.
Sony must know many people have lost hope with A mount , considering the amount of A mount gear ive seen on gumtree in recent times and online comments regarding a move towards E mount or another breed altogether.. with a decent investment in A Mount glass, its either going to be listed on gumtree or prey for a decent LAEA adapter with an beefed up A77II AF module… As for the A7RII, it needs that serious AF boost with Phase detection, 5 AXIS then for certain ill purchase one….
Sony doesnt want you to use old A-mount lenses, sony wants you to buy new lenses for your E-mount body
I’m so totally fed up with using my A7r + crazy adaptor + Carl Zeiss A system lenses. The results are optically fantastic but the setup is totally clumsy, changing lenses a pain, dust seems to get in constantly and handholding the tiny body with the big CZ 24 – 70 zoom or 135mm lens make the setup too front heavy and just don’t feel right – try manual focus while hand holding! I’d be happy with a 36mpxl ‘A’ body, a 50mpxl would be even better but these lenses deserve a better designed and balanced A mount camera body to match them. These constant dud rumours are driving me nuts.
buy a vertical grip lol
So I bought an E mount Zoom lens just so I could use the A7r as it was designed, fine and dandy for the everyday but as far as I can see via research and experience there are no E mount lenses that can compete with the optics of the CZ A mounts – ie compare the Carl Zeiss 24-70 E mount to CZ 24-70 A mount lens tests. A 36mpxl or 50mpxl sensor will need seriously great lenses – the miniaturised E mount lenses are already having trouble coping with optical distortion, CA, and sharpness, revealed via the resolution of the 36 mpxl sensor in the A7r. The shutter vibration problem isnt an issue, I’ve tested speeds down to 8sec on a tripod using a 135mm CZ, no shake. I generally print around 127 x 200cm +, print at that size and you quickly find out how good your camera – lens combo is. So to get the best out of the A7r you actually have to use the A mount lenses and put up with the clunky adaptor and misbalanced body lens combo.
The alternative is a Canon 50mpxl matched with CZ Canon mount lenses – and move on.
The new A7rII should have a better grip like the A7.
Admin already said no news on A Mount… Its sort of unofficially dead…
admin said this, admin said that…as you can see with this “correction” rumor, its not always true what admin says 🙂 actually, recently its barely ever accurate…
LOL… I admit. You have a point. Sony has really tightened its leaks. The rumors are not as easily flowing now a days as they were long back. I think after the A77, it was the end of the rumor good times.
They are learning from Apple..
says ????
24-70 F2.8 E-mount is coming later this year after the 85mm F1.8
I would advice you to get an A99. I also use the LA-EA4 with my A7, but we have to realize that if you should mostly FF A-mount glass, the A99 is more ergonomic and better balanced.
I mainly use the LA-EA4 with the 100mm macro, which is about as large and heavy I would go (ok, the beercan gets very limited use too…). The 85 f1.4 should be fine then too, but the 135 and 24-70 are really beasts.
I thune that the 50mb pic camera will come in a DSLR body sporting an EVF, but not taking the FE mount.
This will be good for the A7 series users : it will clean the ground from those who want bigger bodies with bigger grips and huge fast lenses !
At least is what I hope. That Sony developes two clearly distinct product lines : the DSLR sized system for those wanting big grips, big bodes and huge fast lenses. And the digital RF equivalent with small bodies like the A7/A7r and smaller, lighter but slower lenses of top IQ and sharp till the corners without too much distorsion.
Let the new 50MB body be big enough to support the monster lenses it will need. Keep the A7r small size at 36MB, that’s enough for most applications.
Now everything is clear.
– The new 2 FF cameras are E-mount
– most likely A7RII and a lower budget FF .. A5 (maybe)
– A99II will have 50MP and will be released as usual (Photokina 2015)
I have a feeling that there will be more than one version of A99 just like the A7 (A99R A99S) .. Hopefully.
A99 successor will be E-mount.
Yes and it will have in body quadcopter and fly away
Really!!!
Lol .. No !!!
Glad you recognise sarcasm when you see it…….
as long as it makes really good coffee, I’m in
A9 super fast CDPDAF
A9R 50MP
A9S 4K
Thank you Kazuo Hirai! Keep up the good work!
Also, there is no Photokina 2015, it is held bi-anually, not every year
Oh .. Thanks for telling me , then it will be released Aug./Sept. 2015 🙂
Ah…no…Sony is making money with FE mount…They won’t be going back..
How is that going back?…. That’s like saying the a77ii is going back compared to the a6000…
They almost certainly will, given the Lens refreshes. That said, fe is what’s making the money at the moment so I don’t think it’ll be a priority…
Nothing about some (maybetinylittlehappy) a-mount rumour… 😀
Again – DEFINE “easily” …
He’s probably talking about much better DR at low ISO.
well I already suspected that. but who is going to buy the a7rll?
I will, definitely.
The 36MP of my A7R are all I need fpr A2 prints, not having to worry about shutter shocks will be a great relief, and IBIS will be just wonderful.
Second for the A7RII. I don’t need or want 50mp files. Even as a landscape photographer they extra detail isnt worth the hassle of needing a larger hard drive and faster computer to process files that I wont ever print that large.
You realise 3tb is about 150 dollars right now? Lol
same sensor means same AF speed though, correct me if I’m wrong.
No not all all. The A7 and A7 II have the same sensor. But the A7 II has better AF.
50 MP means, use a tripod for every picture or live with the blur. But as I pixelpeep (who’s not?) and only go up to A2 prints, I prefer 36 MP with all advantages of the successor (I expect) for 2/3rd of the price the A9 will cost.
With no shutter shock why would you need a tripod?
Pixel density of 50MP is equal to that of 24MP APS-C.
Are you suggesting that all APS-C 24MP cameras as useless without tripods?
Most time I’ll shoot in bad light situations with my A7. So yes, I think APS-C is useless in bad light situations without a tripod.
What hast that got to do with 50MP?!
You said 50MP means pixel blur, which is of course nonsense.
And what kind of APS-C are you using?
My NEX7 and A6000 shoot just as well as A7.
If I shoot in situations that I need 1/60s with an FF/24mp to get a sharp picture (and I almost always do), there will be a good chance that I will see some movement blur with the same shutterspeed on a FF/50mp. That’s my thoughts behind. Maybe I’m wrong, I’m only an amateur.
Yup, you are wrong. 50MP is just like having two 24MP side by side. Nothing changes.
Anyway, pixel density is the same, and what we were talking about was not motion blur but shutter shock blur. 🙂
hehe, I was starting with the word “blur” and I was thinking about movement blur then. 🙂
(sorry, not native in english)
On a per pixel level, you will get more blur but when downsampled you will not
You’re “expected” to shoot APS-C cameras with 1/(focal length * 1.5) because of the crop factor. That’s probably why there have been less complaints about shutter shock with those cameras.
You do know that shutter shock has to do with MOVEMENT produced by the shutter mechanism and that amount of movement that produces blurred image is directly related to pixel pitch?
Smaller the pixel, more blur you get.
Still, 50MP is equal to 24MP in pixel pitch so… there is no extra blurr.
Could it be because the APS-C shutters are not big enough to cause the effect?
Not really, A7R shutter had an error in design
Do they ever test these cameras? 🙂
Bigger sensor=larger shutter shock.
Common sense.
EFC anyone?
More pixels doesn’t introduce more blur compared to less pixels. If you’re comparing 36mpix upsampled to 50mpix. Or if you’re comparing 50mpix downsampled to 36mpix
If it means efcs, ibis and a quiet shutter, I’d definitely think about it…
It makes kinda sense that A7rII is still high MP and low speed AF camera. A9 as top of the line should be even higher MP camera with fast AF. This would be in Minolta/Sony tradition for “9” class models.
Cue random 14bit raw complaints. I hope they will do a A9 and A99, A-mount lenses are really nice. All this panic about Alpha is becoming a self fulfilling prophecy, Canon 5D had a 3 year refresh cycle and none of my clients walked away after 2 years.
Any chance the 50mp Nikon version will come out sooner?
Ask Nikon….
Go to NAR not SAR website
NAR? Nikon Alpha Rumors???
Sounds strange..NAR 🙂
LOL – Imagine, Sony would not have renamed NEX to Alpha… Then this site should be renamed to SNR.
Perhaps not as promptly as used to be before?
I found last 6 month rumors about A7rII and A9 very confusing and bitty. Sorry Andrea, but it’s all trash. If A7rII will get same sensor as 7r with 36MP, that means it will have same AF or little improved, and if A9 will get 50MP sensor and will be aimed for landscape shooters (as admin stated in one below comment) than certainly it will not have better AF, so where is this rumored “Pro FE camera” that is going to compete with DSLR and having exellent AF – probably 4D?
yes, the famous mysterious pro-level DSLR competitor. How many of us have been holding off from getting the A7II (and be happy with it) because of this rumor? The SR5 rumor was telling us that its coming in February…well, guess sr5 is not what it used to be anymore
Right. Trusted sources heard it would come very early 2015. But my personal bet is that Sony somewhat decided to wait Canon moves before ot announce their 50MP camera.
if Sony halted/tweak the release to beat the 5DS/R, isn’t we’re suppose to be glad. I don’t mine the wait if that’s the reason.
A couple of answers:
1) At first I was confused too. Didn’t know if the A7rII would be the PRO camera or not.
2) It’s now a couple of months I state that A7rIia nd PRO FE are different cameras
3) I honestly am not sure why Sony is holding the 50MP camera release. I know since Ocotber such a camera is in final prottype stage. My guess Is that Sony decided to wait what Canon will do with the 5ds
4) PRO FE doesn’t necessarly eman it has same DSLR AF perforamance. I expect a mroe A6000 alike AF performance which is good but not as good as DSLR when it comes to tracking AF.
Do you think Sony has gone to a differrent sensor in response to Canon, and/or that very new desighn means one of the many new sensor technology patents that Sony has been hoarding?
R stands for Resolution so A7RII should be 50mpx. A9, pro model, should have 25-5mpx, high FPS, high ISO, best AF of the series and 4K internal. 50mpx does not mean pro. 50mpx means high resolution and very specific usage. It makes no sense to have a “high resolution 36mpx A7RII” and a 50mpx Pro model. At all…..
25-35*
Possible scenarios:
– A7rii is just an upgrade of A7r with IBIS. Seems very likely.
– A9 is new high end model with 50mpx sensor, but not the FE professional model.
– Or A9 is the high AF professional model and
– the 50mpx sensor camera gets a new name, like A8.
– Or A9 indeed gets 50mpx and high speed AF, not sure that is possible.
– Or the A99 gets the 50mpx sensor and is the rumored high end professional system.
Thanks for these answers! You have never ever mentioned in all your rumors about A9, A7rII, Pro FE, A7000 about AF sensitivity. Had you got any info saying that Sony will improve AF sensitivity in new cams, i.e to -3EV like A7s can?
Todays bombshell. Its not gonna be a new camera soon
Did you miss this part?
“Another good news: Confirmed the A7rII is in production and coming damn soon!”
yep. a7rII is coming!
What about a new Sony A6000?
Admin had some news earlier…. “Yep. Got more confirmation abotu the A7rII launch. Will post about it soon. Also got some “unexpected” enw about the current A7II and A6000 cams.” …… a New cam or firmware..? if it is firmware I hope we get -3EV for the A6000
As I predicted earlier….Sony waits to have Canon release their 5Ds(R) series cameras first to trum them sensor-wise again afterwards. Curious what means “… that indeed the Sony 50MP FF sensor has a very new design and will “easily” outperform the Canon 5ds sensor”. I suspect in DR, but how many stops more compared to the current 36 MP Exmor sensor? Better ISO/noise performance? Anyway, I am curious to see at some point the comparison between Canon’s new high MP sensor and the rumored new Sony FF sensor. My feeling is that Sony’s new (A9?) camera will be much better priced than the 5DsR with better sensor performance. Just people who want to use Canon EF lenses on the bnew camera will likely still suffer from slow AF – but if you can live with this compromise, you might be better off with Sony.
Admin, is news of an alpha camera that shoots 4k internally?
no
That feature perfectly fits on a7000 hypothetical camera… what about those rumors you had few months ago?
Thanks
What’s coming exactly? A7RII, A5, A99II, A7000?
A7rii
Any news on the other cameras I mentioned, Andrea?
I found this about you http://pastebin.com/T7KRJSZY
Apparently you’re a known troll
Yeah Bob, let me laugh for a second.
Dear Mr. Stalker,
be careful.
First it was February, then March, then April, now within 2015. Guess we will find out at the end of 2015. Keep waiting for at least another 8 months just for the news about the 50mp. It might come or it might not. Simply saying it will outperform canon means nothing if there is no info about it
I will make it good 😉
Sony recently patented a new lcd sreen that will provide a preview that better shows the effects of not having a low pass filter.
” very new design”
50mp will of course be a new desighn..but is very new desighn a new technology sensor?
Yes, I also wonder. All this new sensor tech should show up in short to keep credibility. Until now, all these rumors seem to aim at keeping Canon buyers away from upgrading to a Canon 5Dsr only, nothing more.
@SAR_Admin:disqus
Does “same sensor” mean no EFC?
If the a7Rii is coming “damn soon”… chances are high that “this” 5Ds outperformed will be an a-mount. Think about it…if it’s later this year, it’s on exact time for an a99 replacement. Not too soon or not too late. A99 announced August 2012 and released October 2012, I believe. So “this” camera might follow that path.
If Sony does a crazy high res A-mount body, they would need to also make a lower res body optimized for speed. I actually think the 50 MP could go A or E mount because the use for such a camera is studio & landscapes. A-mount’s greatest advantage over E-mount is speed and greater choice in glass. If Sony releases a single A-mount full frame body & it’s a slowish 3-5 FPS 50 MP body, that goes against A-mount’s primary advantage & doesn’t make much sense.
@SAR_Admin:disqus could you ask your sources if we will see a successor of the Nex-7 or A6000 within 2015?
One of the sources saw the A7000 as final prototype end of 2014. But Sony didn’t tell him if and when that cam comes.
Thank you for the information. So I have to wait and hope…
aunt sony plaese give to consumers a 99 mark 2 with 36 mp., 4d fast focus sistem, 5 axis imag stabilyzation and 4 k internale rec. many reople will be happy .
aunt sony plaese give to consumers a 99 mark 2 with 36 mp., 4d fast focus sistem, 5 axis imag stabilyzation and 4 k internale rec. many people will be happy .
This does not make sense. R stands for Resolution so A7RII should be 50mpx. A9, pro model, should have 25-5mpx, high FPS, high ISO, best AF of the series and 4K internal. 50mpx does not mean pro. 50mpx means high resolution and very specific usage. It makes no sense to have a “high resolution 36mpx A7RII” and a 50mpx Pro model. At all…..
Maybe it will be a bit different pro model. Something like high res with a fast 11 fps low res mode of say 16 MP,
You don’t need to go that low res to go fast. The A77II does 12 FPS burst at full 24 MP res. I would keep it at 24 MP, but extend the ISO to 102K, and then build on the AF-D technology they started with A99 but with 98% on-sensor PDAF like they did with A6000, and then the traditional PDAF module would be an update with the A77II, but with all cross sensors. Give us that and 8 FPS, extendable to 12 FPS or 13 FPS without cropping, plus 5-axis IBIS and it would be amazing. 14 bit single shot and 12 bit burst is still fine for me.
If they could do two (2) FF A-mount bodies, I would buy a high res model too, but if they can only produce one, I’d rather have speed than res.
I don’t think you can directly compare APS-C and FF sensors. The fastest full frame camera less than $4000 is the D750 that does 6.5 fps with its 24 MP sensor. I don’t know if Sony can even match that much less beat it considering they have to make a smaller camera.
Even the A99 with its fixed mirror can do just 6 fps even though it too has a 24 MP sensor.
I thought it was obvious I wasn’t talking about E-mount cameras. Sony would have to make this type of camera in an A-mount body. The full frame Canon 1Dx does up to 13 FPS at 18 MP, unlimited to the size of your memory card. Sure, it’s $6000, but my point is it’s possible if you have the right data path, processing power, fast enough memory and fast enough card. A99 does 8 FPS in Tele Zoom 10 MP APS-C crop. I suspect if they did a dual Bionz-X similar to how they had dual Bionz in A900 they could do 10 FPS at full 24 MP res. Again, this would definitely be an A-mount camera for heat dissipation and to fit the electronics, data path etc.
I agree 100%. It only could make sense if the 50mpx camera is A-mount (A99II?)…
It would make more sensor, in my opinion, the make the a99-2 the top performance camera in terms of speed & ruggedness with solid high ISO performance to leverage the size and ergonomics of the camera body. Having to process 50mp will make it a slower camera.
I can’t say a 50mp, studio a-mount camera makes sense over the e-mount because the adaptation options of the e-mount seems to make it a superior choice for that style of shooting.
Yeah, I feel Sony need to continue to optimize A-mount for speed, sports, etc. like they did with A77II and their recent A-mount lens updates with the new improved SSM. If I wanted to shoot landscapes or anything slow, I might as well use E-mount.
Minolta/Sony 9-class cameras were always hi-res, hi-FPS and just “decent” ISO. No way A9 could be below 36mpx or hi-ISO type.
Minolta 9’s were film — not high resolution. The a900, at 24 mp, was high resolution for its time. The a99, at 24mp in 2012, was quite average in resolution. So no, there is no long tradition of 9=high resolution.
Well, a99 could not be 36mpx because of the deal with Nikon valid at that time. I see the tendecy there. Or at least tendency to tendency 🙂 But it could be just my wishful thinking surely.
Yeah, I was too quick with Minolta. As 9000 and 9xi were not controlling resolution and ISO, they had at least the best AF for their time 🙂
The a7rii, if it is 36mpix, is high resolution compared to the other a7 cameras. That said, I thought the a7 series was meant to compete with the full-frame dslr series like the 5d mk 3. If this is the case, it seems odd that the new 5d mk 4 will have higher megapixels than the new a7rii. I guess they changed their marketing strategy
What is exact difference in a7r mark 2? And also where is a7000 Which according to level 5 rumor last year should have been here for months already?
Will a7000 be announced ?
No
Right! The only camera I’m waiting for is the a7000… touchscreen, 4k, not plasticky…
Again, “easily outperforms Canon”???? What on earth does that even mean?
I can guarantee that it will take minute inpection, or pointless referring to DXOmark graphs, to find a difference, but in the real world it will be meaningless.
Not true at all. Yes I agree speculating the performance of one unreleased camera to another camera that is released but not really available yet is pointless.
However all those DXOmark figures are true especially in DR.
I shoot weddings and even my A55 crop camera has better DR than the 5d mk3. If the highlights of the 5d are clipped then there is very little that can be recovered. The A55 can get back a lot more detail from clipped highlights. I see this on a regular basis as I rent a 5d often.
I have even shot with a 7D and those files were atrociously bad when you clip highlights.
“Real world” Really? You’re going to say that about a digital camera, a thing that saves 1’s and 0’s to digital storage? Why even get a camera? In real world usage, you can use a bit of chalk and etch it onto an ancient tablet
I’m sorry, but I have no idea what you’re talking about.
I have also absolutely no idea.
A sensor from Canon has to be inferior to anyone other than Canon fanboys. That are the rules, baby. Either you admit that this Canon sensor will be outperformed (easily of course) by any other 50mp sensor, or you are obviously a Canon fanboy.
Sony sensors have a outperformed Canon for a while now.
It’s quite obvious with the naked eye without these scientific tests.
Only thing good about Canon is their lens lineup and their build quality.
“…the Sony 50MP FF sensor has a very new design and will “easily” outperform the Canon 5ds sensor.”
Yes, the unreleased/unannounced Sony sensor “easily” outperforms the unreleased, untested and old Canon sensor. Ridiculous.
It may be. I only report what I heard. Thos eare not my words 🙂
Canon have officially stated that the 50mpix sensor will be just like the 7d mk 2, only a larger sensor. If this is the case, it’s perfectly believable to assume the Sony sensor will outperform it. After all, their several year old sensors already outperform it
So does that mean the A7RII, will have the same sensor? I’ll only upgrade if the sensor is new.
And sadly nothing about amount :((
If they did the same garbage that they did to the a7ii (ie 5-axis + new body design) I will have zero interest in this camera. The fact is the AF system in the a7 series is abysmal and will cause many missed shots. Even with a static subject the cameras miss-focus. Put them in a low light scenario they often cannot achieve focus lock at all.
I suppose pro nowadays, in 2015, means the camera can actually focus accurately.
The a7r takes the inability to focus to a whole new level and is truly not a camera to use on anything other then snails or landscapes, or manually focused in good light. In low light the af doesn’t work at all and manual focus can become impossible as the evf gains up and the camera just gives a muddy, laggy view of the scene without focus peaking.
I have been very impressed on how nikon is consistently pulling more DR, etc out of Sony sensors and not cooking the raws. I still shoot an a7s because it is the best of the lot. It is compact, performs well in low light (both in af and capturing the image). It can’t track worth a damn and you cannot trust its continuous auto focus at all. But if you are ok to use static focus it is a solid, compact camera which pairs nicely with the native FE lenses. Other then that I selected the a6000 over the a7ii. The original a7, like the a7r, are garbage when it comes to a reliable camera for using in low-light situation. So both fail at any sort of concert, wedding, evening street, bar or low light event photography.
I chose the a6000 instead. It still has trouble in low light but at least it is better then the a7 and kills the a7r. And in good light it is had great (if completely wild and almost uncontrollable) AF. The biggest flaw is that.. you cannot seem to tell the camera where to prioritize focus with its bazillion AF points. It just focuses on what it wants to unless a face appears. And sadly, with faces it rarely nails the focus on the eyes and more often hits the nose.
The real gem in Sonys current line up is the a77 ii. Its AF system is gorgeous, the camera performance is gorgeous. Unfortunately I had to choose a mount and I chose emount.
But will I buy an a7r with that absolute crap AF. Nope. Not a hope in hell. I will wait for the company to get its autofocus standard up to the DSLR level of 20 YEARS AGO and when they do that I will buy my next camera from them. Until then I will stick with the a7s and a6000 and seriously consider moving back to nikon for the gorgeous files and great AF of the d750.
Not to mention flashes that aren’t absolute junk that overheat when taking photos of a 3-year olds birthday party, and fall of the camera to boot.
I just love this site. inaccurate info and when I finally take the time to post my comment disappears into a black hole of “your comment is awaiting moderation” I cannot even “like” posts anymore without being logged in.
It used to be a great site. Now it seems to be full of nickel and dime sales with fascist levels of moderation.
It only says that if you use swearwords. It’s automated, and it has always been this way
Good job on pointing out the obvious Palendrome, and your fanbois who liked your comment. However I didn’t use any swearwords in the post. So you’re wrong. No surprise there though.
Hypocrite
Ignore me.
then why dont you just log in?
I moderate the M43 site. I looked at your post (which I approved) and while Bob is correct, posts with obscenities are automatically flagged, I suspect this had to do with length. I suspect posts over a certain size get kicked in to review automatically. Perhaps the SAR Mod can comment.
I appreciate the Feedback Zeikon. What you say about length may make sense. Andrea approved the post pretty quickly I just got frustrated because I didn’t think I put any profanity in it so I was feeling that the moderation filter was set a little too high.
Cheers
But, why the heck do you hanging around on a site with “fascist levels of moderation”??
***shaking my head***
Purely to see the comments from people with handles like “myNameIsCondor” I am sure there is a great and exciting backstory to that. Like you watched every Condor Man episode in the 80s and you got into photography on the off chance you might see him in real life and then.. You’d be ready. With your A7r.
Too bad the focus would fail on you.
But keep it up. I see you eventually achieving the lofty position of the guy at the front of a small town marching parade where you can wear your coveralls with pride.
Maybe if you don’t post such needlessly aggressive posts to forum members, you wouldn’t get your posts moderated into black holes so much.
“inaccurate info” – uhm, which part of “sony alpha RUMORS” did you not understand ;)?
LOL
The part where there is a rating system that ranges from 1 to 5 that doesn’t seem to have any connection to the accuracy of the rumor in terms of truth.
a7r was a fail of a camera. Now they will have a fail of a camera with 5-axis stabilization so the pictures you can’t take because the camera cannot focus sure will be stabalized and at slow shutter speed while you look at them on a camera which can’t actually take them.
Use manual focus if it’s bothering you that much
Lofote, FAR FAR fewer photogs have purchased the a7r as compared to the d800 series. The auto focus issues are well documented along with shutter vibration that limits the utility of many lenses.
To be honest I actually don’t know a single pro that has elected to use that camera as a main body. Where people do, my guess it would be exclusively landscape photogs. If you know otherwise, please post a link.
Bob, you palindrome, are you even a photographer? Obviously manual focus is not a suitable solution in many types of modern event shooting and will fail under the following conditions:
-shooting shallow DOF when subjects are moving
-shooting in very low light
-shooting when subject are moving fast
-shooting when subject is small in the frame.
Autofocus is not a tack on. It is a requirement for many kinds of professional photography. The a7r fails miserably at it in good light and totally in poor light.
Although you seem to have the loudest opinion, you also seem to have the least knowledge of what is required for anything other then pictures you take while lounging in your lawnchair.
Yep, I’ve noticed the auto focus is completely broken with all my manual focus Zeiss lenses. What a garbage camera!!! 🙂
It is fairly obvious that for a purely manual focus camera in good light the a7r is an excellent choice.
However using longer telephoto lenses one must use higher shutterspeed to avoid shutterslap and lowlight focusing at night, in dim receptions or in bars/nightclubs it is not possible to actually manual focus as the screen gains up to much so even in focus shots look like mush, as well the focus peaking doesn’t work.
So it’s fine if you are looking for a compact, high resolution camera in good light. However you might as well get an a6000 at that point unless you really really need the resolution or shallow DOF. I consider the camera a fail because it is my belief that any modern camera should exceed the autofocus systems from 20 years ago. It should be useable in a wide variety of situations. Before you say this is unrealistic consider a good portion of pros work in the wedding markets which inevitably have low light shooting scenarios. In fact some of my favorite photos are low light with just a hint to illuminate a face, or to create a silhouette. This camera is cumbersome if not impossible to use under those circumstances.
Basically it has 1990s autofocus equivalent, a shutter that is more like an airline flap and it is crippled for both AF and MF in the area where the 36mp shines, low light.
Can you take a picture with it? Sure. Is it suitable for a working professional photographer? For most it will be inadequate. For those scenarios where a “Leica-style” will work it will do well under most conditions however there is a certain EV where it becomes incapable of taking a photo unless one adds pre-existing ambient light to the scene.
That was a joke buddy, but I got your point. Have you tried the A7m2? It has pretty quiet shutter and the AF is also quite good, at least at the PDAF area, so it shouldn’t have all the A7r problems you’ve mentioned. I believe Sony couldn’t put a PDAF on the A7r’s sensor because it’s gapless, so not sure if we see any real AF improvements in the A7r m2. Right now I have the A7r and the A7m2 (replaced the A6000 as a to-go camera), and in spite of all goodies of the A7m2 I still use my ol’ good A7r most of the time, because the sensor alone is a gem especially paired with some nice high res lenses. I was thinking about getting a Nikon D8XX, but I would loose the EVF and it’s priceless for MF (and MF in low light as well since it boosts the light), and the D810 won’t be good for shooting action neither (as the 5ds or any modern “high res” camera – just too slow). So I would say the A7r is not as bad as you think, and just as every camera on the market it certain limitations – nothing is perfect in this world 🙂
“It is fairly obvious that for a purely manual focus camera in good light the a7r is an excellent choice.”
You’re showing your lack of experience here. The fact focus magnification cripples the ability to compose at the same time, hampers the manual focus. It is not an excellent choice.
“However using longer telephoto lenses”
There are no long, native telephoto lenses. If you want to compare non native, do the same for another brand. Comparing native vs non native is unfair.
“in dim receptions”
Only amateurs with no experience regarding lighting shoot in receptions without flashes.
“Before you say this is unrealistic consider a good portion of pros work in the wedding markets which inevitably have low light shooting scenarios.”
Most of which will openly admit they’re afraid to use flashes because they don’t understand math very well. Some will say flashes look unnatural. Again, this comes from a misunderstanding.
“airline flap”
I assume you’re talking about an aileron. They don’t make much noise
I’m a photographer yes. Manual focus can in fact work for most things, it’s just extremely difficult in comparison. Name a couple of event situations that you are thinking of where it can’t be used?
If you’re an event photographer, there’s better lens options available with other brands, so I don’t think you should even consider the a7 series. Plus the flash options are abysmal. I’d rather have 8, 600ex-rt’s spread across a room and creative lighting than I would an extra couple of stops of dynamic range and no decent light set up.
“Although you seem to have the loudest opinion, you also seem to have the least knowledge of what is required for anything other then pictures”
“knowledge”
“then”
When you’re capable of spelling a simple four letter word, perhaps then you’ll be able to judge the volume of my opinion. Assuming you’re even capable of realising there’s about ten different people posting with this name
I forgot to say that the bokeh should always be in focus
Ignore me
Strange, that many people incl. many professional photographers bought and use the A7R for many projects. So how can it have failed!?
Thats what I do: If bullsh*t level of a post is above 90%, I ignore it. That’s just self defense in order to not getting mad.
You do not know how to set up the autofocus system of your camera. You’re an amateur
Bob, I am hardly an amateur and make a living as a professional wedding photographer. I have been a school photographer, a fashion photographer and my hobby is street photography. I know Sony camera’s inside and out as well as Gary fong and have owned every camera since the a55. There is zero you can teach me about the AF systems on the current mirrorless systems but if you want to clarify what I am missing go ahead – so I can rip you a new one.
Thinkinginpictures, No it is not problem solved. As I said I chose a mount. I am a professional that works with ambient light in low light situations, so I need a big sensor and fast primes. The a77 II although a GREAT body with excellent AF in all light levels is unfortunately double crippled, one by the APSC sensor and further by reduced light from the SLT mirror. It is an excellent camera, however it is not sufficient for my purposes and the a99 doesn’t have much better iso performance so although I have owned three of them I no longer am interested in alphas.
Get yourself an A77II. Problems solved.
I can’t talk for older sony sensors, but the current ones are pretty bad with clipped highlights.
You’re far better to underexpose than to overexpose, and to then push the exposure in photoshop. Unfortunately, the a7 cameras use lossy raw which can introduce problems of its own
This lossy RAW issue has been blown out of proportion I feel. I have signed that petition on the same and the example the person showed to illustrate the issue showed very fine color issues in only one small portion of the frame that I had to see at 200% to actually notice. And that could easily be cloned away.
And I am talking about my own experience. My references are with the 5d mk 3 and the A7 only as I have used both extensively. I have not compared it to any full frame Nikon for example.
So a7r II not to be 50 mpx. Just 3 year old 36 mpx sensor.
3 years young 36mpx sensor 😉
3 years is NOTHING lol….
3 years is a long time ago…that’s when Sony still had the ancient Minolta Hot Shoe.
Not really… Lol 3 years felt like yesterday
Yes, that terrible, old D810 sensor
@SAR_Admin:disqus Any word on the “A5”? Will it have an EVF?
My guess is: no. An a5 will save everything, to be as cheap as possible.
But before they will release A3 <300$ for the very entry level FF entusiast
I guess A5 will be as cheap as under $500 for users really just want full-frame sensor. And what you get is indeed just a full-frame sensor, maybe with nice packaging, like Intel CPU ~
I’m guessing it will be US$999. Dropping the EVF would be a let down. But hard to imagine what else they can take away from the first generation A7 to hit that price point. Maybe they’ll sell something without weather sealing and close to the A7 specs at $899. That would be pretty sweet.
Where’s the rumor confirmations about the Sony A7000?
If there would be some, the SAR admin would have posted it, don’t you think ;)?
There are none. 🙁
This is actually my problem right now. I have to shoot a few weddings this year and ditched my a900 for an A7. Not the end of the world, but it’s not going to get the job done- no way. So what to do? Well, I could dump over a grand on an A99 but I don’t really want to do that. I could sell the A7 and just pony up a few more bills for the A99 but now I have a bunch of manual legacy lenses laying around. Honestly, the camera I’ve shot and really want is the A77II. So far, the FE stuff is for the birds until they get it up to speed. I’d rather just shoot the A77II. Now the one wedding is outside and I can make due. However, I need the low light and killer AF for the other. Hmm…decisions decisions. Besides this rambling, I still think the A77II is the best all around camera Sony makes right now. It’s brilliant and those that have used it recognize this.
As I say, in the real world it will be meaningless, unless you find that all those wedding photographers using the 5D Marks 1-3 have been turning out trash.
The truth is that the 5D is likely the most popular camera with wedding photographers worldwide. I’ve used Sony since day one, but I wouldn’t flinch if I had to use the Canon and I doubt that would change with these new models.
It’s not about graphs and figures, it’s about REAL use.
Agreed 100%.
Exactly my point. In real use the A7 IQ is better than the 5d mk3. Having an inferior tool in the hands of someone skilled is more important. People have been taking very good photos since the 5d mk 1 days.
So just because you get people taking great photos with the 5d mk3 doesn’t mean the Sony isn’t better in IQ cause it is in quite a few scenarios.
Have a look at what more informed websites have to say about DR differences.
https://photographylife.com/nikon-vs-canon-dynamic-range
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-d750/14
Isn’t the low light capability the same on A6000 and A77II?
No.
The a77 II has a SLT mirror which costs a half stop of light so an iso1600 shot on it would be equivalent to an iso 1250 shot on a6000. It does however have stabilization though so if you are shooting static subjects with a prime it could potentially shoot at a lower iso then the a6000 all other things being equal. But for everyday photography in general it will lose a little bit.
The a77 ii is still a wonderful camera. If they release an a99 II with similar features I will purchase it.
@SAR_Admin – has the “another source” tested already the inexistent Sony 50MP FF and compared it to the the 5Ds results to make the “easily outperform” statement? 🙂
Sony sensors have always outperformed Canon sensors lol Not a doubt that “this” 50mp camera would outperform the canon 5ds
Most likely that’s a true statement indeed, but I just say it doesn’t have any support except of “some guy told me”. That’s pretty much the same if I say “Ferrari is going to make a car that beats dust out of a Ford Focus” 🙂
lol
Outperformed in what regard? Dynamic range or something else? I am curious
Sony sensors has always been leading Canon in pretty much overall performance. No wonder they’re the #1 in image sensors. But yeah Dynamic Range is obvious 😉 😉
“Sony sensors has always been leading Canon in pretty much overall performance”
Fiction
If you say so lol…
Yes totally I agree….. Sony only really started to pull a head of Canon in terms of sensor technology with the A99 24mp sensor. This advantage increased with the 36mp sensor and then their advantage just got embarrassing with the 12mp A7s….Sony is the worlds largest sensor manufacture with manufacturing technology that Canon just doesn’t possess. Canon just can’t compete with that…Mind you their printers are quite good….oh oops sorry that’s Epson
Its stupid to compare two unreleased cameras but yes Sony sensors have better DR than Canon. High ISO performance is about the same though.
Its one of the main reasons many landscape pros have switched to Nikon or got an A7r to use with their existing Canon lenses as DR in landscapes are paramount.
Simple answer. The source heard it from Sony. Sony said their sensor will be better. He didn’t test the camera…obviously!
You want the best of both e and a worlds, probably need to wait for some more time.
100% agree. All A7x, exept A7s which AF perfom well but in good only light, are garbage regarding AF low light shooting and any tracking. These cameras are only good for slow kind of photography, forget about weddings, street, action, dynamic photoreports, journalism. It’s funny, many point and shots cams from film era focused much better in low light.
I hope by the time the A7RIi is in stores we will have official information about this 50MP magical unicorn camera.
The comparison between the Canon 5DS and the Nikon 810 is real, just go to canonrumors.com and you will see a link for the comparison there. As for the source that talked to Sony and they misunderstood the date, this whole SAR is pathetic.
I can open a web site called crystalball.com and put all sorts of bs like the Sony 50 mp camera is coming (I swear it is coming, but don’t know when) and that would direct traffic to my web site. This way I can get advertisers to post on my site just because I can prove how many suckers, sorry clients are hitting my site.
Canonrumors and Nikonrumors.com are way more serious sites, this SAR is a dumpster.
Why so angry???If you are a ‘Canon Guy’ go hang out at Canon rumors….oh yes I see…It’s because no one is there…..
Sadly, you are quite right
Why keep the bs at SAR level 4? When you know it is not true, just downgrade it… Looks like I am not the only one sick of the SAR.
Maybe Sony signed a non competition agreement with Pentax and Phase One that Sony will not release a 50 MP camera in next 2 years.
Why sell them the sensor and after 1 year shoot their sales in the leg? When you can make money off the sensor comfortably in the next 2-3 years.
Everything else is bs on SAR :
MF vs. 35mm – I don’t think Pentax or P1 would be too worried.
Why would Sony do that ? Its not the same sensor. Those who are buying MF will not be tempted by the inferior 35mm format. They are buying MF for specific reasons and they believe it is worth spending all the extra $$$ on the camera and lenses.
If Sony brings out a 50 MP, it will eat some of the medium format sales, especially for people who have nothing (no lenses, no acessories) in MF.
Why pay 8000 US for a Pentax (good camera in certain situations, no action camera, no features, heavy and with lenses that you need a mortgage for). Watch Canon, there will be ads and studies about how many MF fan/freaks went to Canon for a lower price, better picture, versatility etc…
That may be true but if Sony doesn’t launch a 50 MP sensor they are going to lose out to Canon anyways. And a 50 MP sensor mirrorless camera will need the best lenses so people might actually buy their 35mm f1.4 and other lenses rather than getting adapted versions.
Sony does not lose anything to Canon for now, as the 50 Mp is not out 🙂
They say June, adorama and bh want your money, but it can be further back than June.
To me, June is bad for consumers, that is already a time when people left on vacation or are about to leave.
Somehow we all assume that Sony brings out a camera just not to “loose” to Canon, I think both of them have a roadmap and engineers cannot be told: in next month you need to suck a 50 MP design camera out of your thumb, Canon just came out with one…
I’m sorry… But what would Sony have for “ultimate resolution” for 2015 then?
“Another good news: Confirmed the A7rII is in production and coming damn soon!”
So, the A7rII is NOT the 50MP FF sensor camera??
no
With all of this “confirming” it would be MUCH easier to “Confirm” if the camera was E-Mount or A-Mount than when it would be released wouldn’t ya say? Stop with the B.S.
“make a living as a professional wedding photographer. I have been a school photographer, a fashion photographer”
“I am a professional that works with ambient light”
Not even worth justifying with a response