Dear SAR readers, take a look at that image: flickr.com/photos/carlzeisslenses/17123880790/in/set-72157651844166820. Zeiss says it has been shot with the Sony A7r and the Batis 85mm lens. But notice two strange things:
1) The resolution of the image is 56 Megapixel (the image ratio is not 3:2. So it may be even slightly cropped form an original 59MP sensor image!).
2) The 56MP image has no camera name exif info (has been removed by Zeiss).
Now we have three possibilities:
1) Zeiss up-sized the images for some weird reason I cannot understand.
2) This is a A7II multishift created image (feature that will may be added in a future update). But it’s unlikely to be used on non-static objects and without tripod use (reflection in the eye shows photographer handholding the cam!).
3) Or they did shoot those images with the A7rII and then removed the EXIF info. What’s your guess?
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Interesting! Ready for 8K video?
Now that we have enough MPix to go around, why not make a square cropped sensor?! They maximize FoV of every lens. No need to rotate the camera, just cycle through the ‘crop mode’ quick button until desired comp.
Half-Life 3 confirmed!!!!!! This must be it guys!
This in 3:2 would be over 59 MPix.
Did a quick google search of “8910×6300”. This page also posted some pics with the same 8910×6300 resolution two days ago.
http://www.netechoes.net/5781/images/home-architecture-images/
Really? Just open the file, take a look at 100% – it looks obviously upsized. Most of the sample images posted have dimensions that are slightly different from the original sensor resolution. They are edited. The weird aspect ratio also shows this.
A7R II with 36 MP sounds much more likely anyway.
I saw 1 picture on Flickr take with the Sony A7R with Voitglander Helliar III and the resolution was 9610×6881.
of course there is people who make upsize. But why should ZEISS(!) up size them?
No reason. It would be quite idiotic since it greatly would affect IQ, something that wouldn’t be great if trying to show off a lens.
Maybe he needs to print it. Then just posted the up-sized version and Zeiss took it as a sample without thinking much (like we do).
Of coure I hope it’s not true.
I understaind your point of view. Zeiss means often image quality but if someone look this picture with 50Mpix with this image quality, he will never buy zeiss lens. But we are litlle geek and we search too much detail about this picture. Let wait some news sony stuff;)
“But why should ZEISS(!) up size them?”
Many perfectly innocent reasons, they may have upsampled the image to make a print, and then uploaded the wrong version, for example.
hurray
This might be one of the juiciest rumors in a very long time indeed… 😉
As you pointed out… it seems that the way it was taken (arms extended above the model) almost rules out multi-shot, unless Sony has multi-shot working a heck of a lot faster/better than everyone else does.
It’s not only handheld, it’s handheld with extremely tough technique to keep still and it’s on a living subject.
If ultra-multishot feature it would be quite awesome for high DR scenes to say the least. This since one then could do 2x exposures extremely quickly without any (?) visible shake and even handheld …
That would be much more amazing than a 56mp camera 🙂
you can see in her eyes, that the camera was free hand held up in the air.
Yeah, that’s what i meant with “even handheld…”.
I’d like to think it was a mischieveous Zeiss employee making a bet with his colleagues about how many bellends he could reel-in on a rumour site.
One complaint from Sony and that mischieveous Zeiss employee is unemployed.
Up-rezzing a showcase image for a new Zeiss lens would probably get that employee reassigned, or fired, even without a complaint.
That said, I doubt that this was published by mistake.
guess A-mount or E-mount will get a 5Xmp sensor first?
from the reflection in eyes, it is a7 series camera
likely E. it has seen 36 mp sensor and 5x IBIS first.
We are still waiting when will the a-mount get the 36mp sensor??
And we are also still waiting when an A-Mount SLT camera would perform on par with competition in High-ISO. Can’t believe Sony still hasn’t introduced the flip-up-SLT design. A99, in this day and age, performs like a much older A900 and A850 at high ISO. Even Canon 6D outperforms it. That is just funny.
Sure, A99 has better DR, but that is only at up to ISO400, after that A99 takes a nose-dive.
The current spny apsc sensor if scaled up to full frame would result in 56mp.
56mp would make more sense for a new sensor than 48mp would.
The current rumors that Sony will introduce an a7rii with the same 36mp sensor, or that Sony will release a new 48mp sensor simply do not make sense considering that Canon has already anounced a 50mp camera.
Therefore whether this rumor is true or not I do not know but it definitely makes more sense than the older rumors.
Wishfully thinking I would like this to be true and for the , to be announce later , a9 and a99ii to have a new 78mp bsi sensor.
The added feature I would like to see is for this camera to fast autofocus with both A mount ant Canikon lenses with a simple adapter
I would be more impressed with non-lossy RAW’s and that Sony IP-certified the new camera(s) just like they do with their phones where the IP-certification is one of their main selling arguments (why they don’t think this is a selling point on their cameras is yet to be revealed).
Phones are 100% sealed without moving parts. Cameras cannot be sealed due to one of the following reasons:
1) An ILC, assuming the lens in test is internal focusing, has a lens mount, an that cannot be sealed. All that can happen is It can be made dust/moisture tight, by adding a rubber ring on the outside of the lens. Add a zoom lens that changes it’s length during zooming, and you’re introducing a yet another failure point.
2) A fixed-lens camera still has a zoom lens that changes it’s length
The only cameras that could have been made ip certified were the older model Sony P&S with an internal zoom 3x lens. But at that time there was no such thing as IP certification of mobile devices.
Most phones have moving parts: motor with excentric which does vibration and for focusing, they *have* to move lens.
… they can remove focal plane shutter inside of glass and make even camera with open mount waterproof
All moving parts in phones are internal.
I still fail to see how that’s possible. A water that will dry up on sensor, would ruin any photos going forward. You’ll need to do sensor cleaning after every such adventure. Same goes for the lens.
Yet Nikon already make one…
Interesting… Whats the model#?
The Sony phones also got slots that cannot be 100% sealed. How else would you go about charging it or adding a micro SD-card?
But yes — the lens part(s) would make it hard. However since it’s an ILC the IP-classification would (or should) be body only. Else no camera could be considered “weather sealed” since the user can mount anything on it or even leave the mount open ….
The phones connectors are sealed from the inside by quite a bit of rubber. Water cannot get through the connector to affect phone internals.
In general, ip certification has a very broad range, from resisting moisture to being water proof. Which is why i edited my post and added, that under ip certification, i’m assuming 57 and 67, which equal to being water proof.
I completely agree that Sony must certify their cameras to various tested IP levels, so that we finally know what they actually mean by “Weather Proof”
What does ip certified have to do with taking better pictures?
I fail to see any reason for such a thing.
Why does more resolution? I fail to see any reason for such a thing.
If you cant understand the reason for more resolution you do not need this camera and Sony does not care what you think.
This is not the camera you are looking for.
It makes it so one more easily can focus on taking pictures instead of worrying about things such as rain or being splashed from waves hitting rocks.
Thus is has quite a bit to do with taking better pictures.
why not a 144mp (36*4) or 224mp (56×4)? hmm make more sense to quadruple the pixels…
Why 78 mp on a FF sensor?
i just fail to see the use of it for a Full Frame camera.
As you go up in resolution you go down in portability. for 36 mpx is already needed a tripod to make it even be perceivable, imagine 78 mpx?
This is madness, its not about photography anymore…
“for 36 mpx is already needed a tripod to make it even be perceivable,”
That’s not my experience at all.
Or very high shutter speed.
But in any case I believe that there should be such a camera available. A99II, A99IIs and A99IIr would have been nice. With R version sporting a high-mp sensor.
To get true 36mpx resolution because of the high frequency vibration…
Not that those vibrations would have much impact on a flash frozen image. Move, Scoro or even the Bx come to mind.
78mp is the minimum resolution necessary ,to make 24×36″ prints at the industry standard minimum resolution of 300 dpi
BSI sensors in smaller sizes currently support pixnel densities that are far higher than needed for 78mp ff.
As for your ravings about portability and tripods…that is just too irrational to even respond to.
Ok man you are right…
…and some of us shoot with tripods…
Is it madness just because you don’t?
I don’t get this comment.
48.8 mp makes plenty of sense for better readout of the sensor for video. It is an even 4 to 1 down res to 4k or 16 to 1 for 2k, not that this would be a video-centric camera. Either way, the academic difference between a 48.8 mp camera and a 50.1 mp camera would not make an iota of difference to any photographer pixel peeping or printing large.
12mp makes the most senses for video.
A high mp camera is unnesesary for video.
Sony should make thier highest res camera for still pictures.
Delaying and adding features like super video, and wi fi is counterproductive for those who want a camera that just takes great still pictures.
Most people who have several cameras and lenses have at least one prime lens…why…because it can do one single thing better if it doesnt do everything.
Most serious photographers have and use more than one camera.
There is no need for every camera to do everything.
The best still picture camera should not in any way be optimized forvideo but optimized for the best possible still pictures.
With that in mind 56mp makes more sense than 48.
Sony cannot release a mirrorless camera without video – what will feed the EVF / LCD. Wi-fi is already integrated in all the a7 cameras so that’s a moot point. Also wi-fi is important for actual photographers with deadlines. A camera + phone is a lot more convenient than a camera, card reader, laptop & mi-fi.
48.8 to 56mp is irrelevant from a resolution standpoint. Gear bragging rights do not make a better photo.
You can see some jaggies on the eyebrows and lashes, so it was probably up-resed.
I don’t see those, but if that is the case: someone at Zeiss took a picture with the Batis 2 months after the first ones, up-resolutioned it to 56MP and stripped the camera info out of the EXIF before putting it on flickr?
I mean, it’s possible, but it’s pretty weird, and it’s hardly a stretch to think that the folks at Zeiss have some copies of the A7rii at this point for testing, but they may not have in February when the first images were shot.
i dont know how they took the image or processed it but the tones in the middle of the forehead dont look good.
8910×6300 is not a 2:3 ratio
I’m not so sure. If you look at the photo of the bridge at night taken with the 25mm, it’s pretty laden with JPG artifacts, so it’s possible they are just heavily compressed, hence the lack of sharpness/presence of artifacts.
in any case, it is smart way to make photogs talk about Sony 🙂
This “weird” aspect ratio is 1:sqrt(2)
It is the same aspect ratio as DIN-A3 / A4 / A5… has.
It is only one you can cut into 2 halfs and having the same aspect again 🙂
Sony has much better sensor fabs than Canon, they could go well past 56 mp…
Why the aspect ratio of the image is not 2:3
It is a cropped image or new aspect ratio FF sensor??
it’s sqrt(2)…. weird 🙂
Upres because the eyelashes are not as detailed and sharp as they should be at 100% res.
My money is on they are from the Pro A9 prototype and not the A7RII. I think it would end up pricing the A7RII too steep and there wouldn’t be enough of a reason to step up to the pro camera line due out later this year.
Dual card slots.
My opinion is that there’s two cameras about to be announced in the near future a A7RII and a pro body FE camera (A9/A9R.) There’s also the regular A7II images and what I’d assume is actually the A7RII (36MP) since the EXIF is stripped from the image (makes absolutely no sense to strip EXIF from a normal A7R) with appropriate resolutions there. I’m sure the image is slightly cropped to taste for presentation and we’ll have a sensor closer to 60MP….
I haven’t seen many comments about this but the original Batis video showed the lenses being swapped from the A7II body to the A7R (or A7RII prototype) body between the helicopter and the pier scenes.
Uprezed
4k monitor here no contest easy to spot in high frequency objects like the eyelashes, maybe it was a prank. =P
You are correct. I completely agree. I’m viewing on Imac Retina 5K and I shoot portraits for a living since 1980.
Sample photo is up-rezzed and saved… no doubt.
I’m viewing on an 8K Samsung UD970 monitor, and I disagree.
I have had portraits shown at the Louvre and have been doing this for a living since 1979.
I’m viewing with a 32k monitor. I win.
I’m sitting on a 0k toilet seat, reding this on my smartphone. Dont even wanna try to inspect the image now, but for what i am doing now, you guys are an immense help.
Nominated for showstopper of the week!
It’s easy to spot someone who doesn’t know what he”s talking about. For what I’m concerned you can use a 8K monitor, but a 2K monitor suffices pixelpeeping and to see this is not simple upsizing. The reflection in the eye seems sharper than what the A7R can produce. Why would Zeiss upsize the image and degrade image quality to show off their lens???
Oh god, why people do comments like this?
“The reflection in the eye seems sharper than what the A7R can produce”
This make your comment completely unscientific for a person with such a knowlegde.
You could use any monitor i just said that with a 4k is easier to spot.
Troll
Who said anything about scientific? You said it was easy to spot, which is blatantly wrong. Go on Flickr and find comparable A7R images and see how much you can pixel peep into the eye and see for yourself or if you are a troll then obviously you don’t want to do that 😉
Upsizing you say, try use digital zoom on your camera and you’ll see how upscaling degrades the picture, even with clever algorithms, like clear image zoom for example.
Actually there is no real advantage to pixel peep using 4K versus 2K, there are so many artefacts on a JPEG that you wont be able to tell every pixel apart anyway. Nice try man 😉
I downloaded the image opened in Photoshop, 100% zoom see it for your self is simple as that if you can’t see the eye lashes bad aliased its because you want to believe in something, i really don’t need to download any image from a7r, because its very noticeable. Sorry…
Then maybe it is your eye sight og you didn’t download the right file og your computer is too slow and the file hasn’t loaded when you looked at it. There may be hint of aliasing when zooming in 3-400% in Photos on Mac – only HINTS. The A7R lacks an antialiasing filter so that can occur when doing ultra peeping. Also the edge of the lashes is not in critical focus.
Sorry, but more than 100% is just interpolation or also know as uprezing.
But its true if a sensor with that much resolution without anti alias filter and such a lens that can go higher than the sensor resolution it could occur. The case is that if the focus is not in the eyelashes and it aliases so definetly its uprezed.
The aliasings are mostly visible in diagonal lines, so it can be a very good upsampling algorithm because diagonal lines are more dificult to anti aliase.
Nice try troll EOSHD seems to agree with me… http://www.eoshd.com/2015/04/update-sony-a7r-ii-confirmed-by-exif-data-full-resolution-is-9440×6300-59mp/#prettyPhoto
http://www.eoshd.com/2015/04/sony-a7r-ii-looks-to-feature-9k-sensor-56mp/
i’m not troll, i’m using arguments, not just saying that it seems sharper.
The fact that he agrees with you, just not make it the truth. Many people agree with me and he can be carried away by its own emotions, much like you.
That is not the point. The point is you have to learn what upsampling means before discussing it in here. There is NOTHING wrong with the Zeiss image, don’t try to invent ghost in here. I didn’t say that EXIF can’t be hoaxed, but it is pretty interesting that Zeiss uploads a cropped 56MP image (and no, why the HELL would they want to upsample and cripple their image?!?!? It is strawman behaviour to imply anything else! And now suddenly a 59MP (likely) uncropped images surfaces with A7r-II in the EXIF. The A7R v.1.01 can be explained via many things, that a pre-beta firmware is being used in a beta camera or even a prototype.
Anyone can upsample a photo and put A7rII in the exif data, if read the forum comments the last comment talk about a possible error…
A troll is not someone who disagrees with someone else’s point of view. A troll is someone who specifically baits others with ad hominen attacks or intentionally statements to incite emotional argument.
I don’t think it’s a new huge sensor, but couldn’t it just be mascara that you are seeing?
I don’t know, could you explain to me what mascara does to the image? If its what a im guessing in my mind is not a good way to show the lens performance.
Mascara isn’t necessarily smooth on the eyelashes, and the small bumps/clumps can look like jaggies at high magnification, when maybe it’s just bits of mascara.
ok, its a real possibility, but i guess at this high resolution it could do a much better job in processing if it was a real sensor update. i’m not used to use mascara but i think it is something to retract the sharpening noise from the areas of the image that do not benefit from it, the less contrasty ones. Thanks for your time.
Spaceman, you win the award for stupidest analysis of an image. Thanks for the laugh though. Reflection in the eye “seems sharper”, that’s priceless, ha, ha, ha!
Agreed, reflections in the eye, especially when shot with a quality lens are often problematically sharp.
This has been an interesting thread. My thoughts are that I just can’t believe that it would be uprezed. There just is no logical reason for doing that. I think it is more logical that it is either using pixel shift technology in which there has to be some interpolations or there is some compression introduced somewhere in the chain. It could be the infamous Sony compressed RAW or introduced anywhere in the process from software to upload. Bottom line is that I think the resolution is native to the camera’s image, but I have no passionate opinion, just find it interesting.
i don’t really think Pixel shift is logical for a portrait of a person alive, someone already explained that this cut and uprez was probably made for an A4 print, fits perfectly with 300 dpi. For me this explain everything.
Compressed raw i guess is no guilty here, this image was processed its in jpeg and not 3:2 aspect ratio, some said it had a mascara effect, i guess its possible too.
I still think that theres too much evidence in favor of an upscaled image for many reasons that people already exposed here and in the EOSHD forum.
But all in all if it is a new camera most probably A9 rather than a7r2.
Lets wait and see for the result.
I might buy that if there were not more than one image floating around with the dimensions.
Lord Gaben is the guy using the “camera” XD
I would like that, but I get so much criticism even suggesting 78mp that I see no point in suggesting it.
Well we can be sure at least that this is a cropped image because aspect ratio is not typical 3/2. And all the other Zeiss-images at Flickr seems to be slightly cropped, so it makes sense. Question is how much it’s cropped? Current size is 8910 x 6300 = 56,1 Mpix.
Typically pixels per row&column represent nice even numbers so closest “nice” numbers that give us correct aspect ratio would be 9600 x 6400 = 61,4 Mpix.
So this should be 61,4+ Mpix sensor if true. I guess we’ll find out soon.
9450 x 6300 would yield ~59.5MP (3:2 aspect ratio) so it’s probably somewhere in that 60MP ballpark or so.
The photo is not up-rez’d. It’s shot with an extremely shallow depth of field. Total clue is the eyes sharply in focus and everything else not exactly on that plane starts to blur.
Really – a prototype camera shooting pre-prod lenses? Geez what a stretch. Its been uprezzed.
There truly is a sucker born every minute.
Crazy, must be the new A99II disguised as an A7II for this promo. Crazy, just crazy.
still talking about A-mount in 2015 is crazy. remember the “A-mount year” we talked about here on SAR? long gone…
The batis is an emount only lens…
A 80MP sensor with IBIS? Even hand handled with my Otus I’d get it! As would say my mentor: “Practice, stop getting lazy because Internet says it’s impossible to focus manually with high resolution sensors!”
1:1 crop. Pretty easy to see the jagged edges in the eyelashes and the far left of the eyebrow. My opinion is it has been upsized. As to the reason why, no idea.
^^^Exactly! If it were legit, this image doesn’t make the non-existent 60mp camera look very good since its really lacks sharpness when you view at 100%. I would think eye lashes aren’t too much of a challenge.
Look how this guy shot the photo. Arms out, maybe overhead. He would have needed a really fast shutter speed to manage that and maintain resolution. Also, we have no idea how much sharpening was added to compensate for the motion. This isn’t a good workflow, but more likely than up-rezzing the image. Perhaps, they are still having problems with shutter vibration when recording at such high resolution.
Zeiss would not up-rez an image that is suppose to showcase a new lens. That would be an insane marketing move. They are certainly aware that this image has been posted and they haven’t taken it down, or tried to explain how this was an up-rez and the employee that did this has been sent to his/her room.
The fact that this was shot on a different date than the other images and that the EXIF info has been removed also shows me that this was an intentional post with a new camera.
My money is on this being an early pre-production A9.. or whatever they will call their professional model.
Yeah, you’re right. Oh well, it was exciting for a few minutes. Probably someone at Zeiss made a mistake. That, or they’re just trolling us.
I do believe in it too, the aliasing is ocurring mostly on diagonal lines.
which let me think thats the algorithm of the resizer or some kind of process.
But i’m questioning about a lens that is so sharp thats is surpassing the sensor resolution. What do you guys think?
Is It possible in this case?
FE 1.8/55 will do that all day wide open, I’d suspect this 85 will be even better.
wide open i doubt, but i can imagine this happening inly with sensor without aa and high mpx.
You doubt, but I can tell you without doubt!
I’ve looked in Aperture and Photos on a Mac, and no zaggies to be seen at 100%. There may be VERY slight hints at when zooming at around 400%, and then it is hard to tell, as the edges of the lashes are not as much in focus as the part of the lashes closest to the eye opening and there can be JPEG artefacts. IF there is hint of aliasing, then it can be explained by the lack of AA filter of the A7R. So no I am not seeing
I see blue and tan stripes.
Online compression.
Download the original and see for yourself, in this part of the photo, this is a guide and could not represent the image quality of the original one because of the compression.
Or early JPEG engine, or over sharpening.
looks like the guy is using Canon G7x, but i’m not sure… 🙂
I think it’s just to make the Buzz as the other pics are regular size for sony A7R. Why the photographer would take just a few pics with a new 56 or 59 Mpixels camera and the rest with his A7R. IMO it’s maybe a new kind of fake picture from A7RII 😉 by resampling the picture
Maybe they were testing both and screwed in posting one from the wrong cam?
What about a Zeiss Ikon prototype ….
That would be cool but I would hope for an M mount and smaller lenses.
If they did one I seriously doubt it would be M mount, but may still have a rangefinder.
Very big smile here… What do you know? Then the new ZM 1.4 / 35mm would make sense!!
SAR admin should be having a big laught at all of us everytime he post something like “What’s your guess?”… hahaha
No wonder, the pasionate arguments of some people trying to convince and refute everyone else, it’s really laughable.
i m afraid both A7R II and A6100 could be just a small upgrade like the previous camera in both A and E mount 😉
very likely
I don’t think that the A7ii was a small upgrade.
The a7II is an amazing upgrade, but some users are narrowly focused on sensor parts – sort of like judging a computer on processor speed alone.
lol do you know something on computer or u just bought it at Apple ;)…
Your response makes no sense and I cannot reply to it.
You find it non sense because you maybe never build your own PC ;)…Processor and RAM are the core of the computer. When you wanna upgrade an old computer, you can change the processor and RAM only to renew it unless your motherboad is too old. Then yes! when Sony does a real upgrade they should change the processor and the sensor too ;)…
Yes I have built computers. It was non-sense because of your poor writing.
ok 😉 i was too lazy to rewrite it 😉
maybe amazing but a bit small 😉
On the next black and white photo it is the same girl with the same clothes …So I suppose this photo was taken the same day on the 2015:02:22 with an A7R and not a mark II and not A9…Unfortunately…. And the guy just edited it and resampled it for some obscur reasons ….
Not true according to my EXIF reader: 36Mp created on 8th, “59Mp” on the 13th or 15th of April.
> Now we have three possibilities:
1) Zeiss up-sized the images for some weird reason I cannot understand.
2) This is a A7II multishift created image (feature
that will may be added in a future update). But it’s unlikely to be used
on non-static objects and without tripod use (reflection in the eye
shows photographer handholding the cam!).
3) Or they did shoot those images with the A7rII and then removed the EXIF info. What’s your guess?
Fourth possibility: a panoramic image taking advantage of the Panorama feature added to the recently released Adobe Camera Raw 9 (which would also explain why this picture is more recent than the other ones).
Brenizer method is not really applicable here. That method is typically used for full body portraits where is hard to get that subject isolation with the background all blurred away. Because the person needs to fit in one frame. Then the photographer will take all the frames around the object to get that nice bokeh effect on a full bodied portrait.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlzeisslenses/17123880790/sizes/o/
There’s the link to the original size of the photo on flickr. I won’t speculate myself, but it sure does look quite clean to me on my 27 inch screen.
if something seems too good to be true, it probably is. sorry, only minor updates for a7rii and a6000. keep low to no expectations from Sony to avoid further disappointment
+1
keep low expectations to avoid further disappointment
Where is my a99ii?
keep NO expectations to avoid further disappointment
Why are you expect A99 ii at all? No one will no for certain until there is at least some scheduled event to announce it i.e. no more than a month before launch
Like there will be no IBIS in E-Mount/A7II?
Then this may be from an A7rIII.
Hey guys, if you look at the image in Graphic Converter and view at original size it shows it at 24% the image has been upsized for some reason
The image has been upscaled, most likely by accident. This is evident by examining the image at 100% – it doesn’t look sharp.
Move along, nothing to see here.
Yes, please move along instead of trolling.
Well there is. The photos are still from the new Zeiss Batis lenses, and that is quite interesting imho. 🙂
True, the new lenses look great, and are being overshadowed by this nonsense!
Dear god, what i am reading here… This is too sharp photo for A7R to produce? People, at 100% crop, overall resolution of the camera means nothing. Lens is what makes difference at 100%. And, this is not sharp for any camera out there. For those who disagree, see for yourself 12mpix APS-C crops http://xoomer.virgilio.it/ripolin/scontro_titani/crop_occhio.htm
Is that a joke?! Your link point to macro shots of an eye – obviously that will be sharper when all 12MPs are used to frame the eye! We are discussing extreme crops of the A7R-II(?) image
Wauv, can’t believe the nonsense being posted in here…
I’m pretty sure that the objective answer is “who the heck knows”. It isn’t possible to claim with certainty that it is or isn’t upsampled, it’s just a guess.
Eyelashes have mascara on them, that’s why they have some jagged edges, not because of up-sizing. Why would Zeiss up res an image?!
I think the image is upsized for printing. The cropping matches paper sizes and the megapixels match for 300dpi.
Very plausable explanation, i was trying to understand why Zeiss would make it, iguess you nailed it. thanks!
How does the cropping match a paper size? 8910×6300 is 99×70.
Even if we accept that they meant to go with 100×70/10×7, and just missed or something, 10×7 or 20×14 or any multiple thereof is not a common print size, at least not that I’ve ever seen.
It’s cropped to a 1:√2 ratio which is the ratio for the paper sizes like A0, A2 etc
300 dots / cm! -> exactly A4
Probably already posted.. another image has surfaced.
http://www.eoshd.com/2015/04/update-sony-a7r-ii-confirmed-by-exif-data-full-resolution-is-9440×6300-59mp/
She is a lovely woman, I am sure about it 🙂
I think A7RII will have the same 36MP sensor .. 50+ sensor will come in a DSLR body
although I wish A7RII will have that 59MP sensor
A9? may be much later this year?
I suspect A9 around christmas time. A7sII next year. Your thoughts?
Everyone should keep calm and shoot Medium/Large format or Sigma DP series 😀
Perhaps someone should ask Zeiss or Sony???
Crazy talk, let’s keep trying to divine it out of aspect ratios and our expert opinions on what upsampled A7r photos should look like compared to native 56MP photos.
I think it’s not upsized as Zeiss team don’t have any reason to do it.
Ah, he uprezzed it to print a 20×30. On a 35mm sensor, a height of 6300px would mean that the horizontal length would be 9450px, for a total of 59.5MP.
Well we can be sure that Sony did this on purpose. This is like a classic viral marketing campaign. Intentionally post a “leak” then go to a forum and make a post pretending to be a regular person that just happened to find this “hidden” gem. It has to be from a Sony camera whether it is from a A7rII or A99II or whatever but the last thing that you ever want to do with a viral campaign like this is underdeliver once you start it up. It’ll be interesting to see what comes out in the next few weeks.
UPSIZED! When you download the full size image you can clearly see the left eye lashes look VERY pixelated like an up scaled image would. There is no way the image quality would be this bad with this setup (I hope) without upsizing it.
+1 That’s what I see too – up-rezing artifacts. 36MP just makes sense, don’t get your hopes up folks.
Let’s hope the A7RII stays at 36MP.
Holy Leak Batman!!!
no kidding, batman would be proud
-theres not in the market a camera that take more than 55mp
-batis is E mount lense, because of short flang distance it cannot be mount in another camera but sony E mount
-the level of deatil in the eye makes hard to believe its an up-sized image
-if true, sony was not kidding around when they say “ultimate resolution camera in 2015”
I think this is a SR1 rumour at most. We “think” that the a7rii might be announced in may & that there might be a a9 but that is it. I wouldn’t be surprised if Sony made no announcements this month – to show wikileaks was wrong.
how high is the photographer standing to do a shot like this with a 85mm 35mmFF ?! or it could be a 85mm on MF…that will be approximately 50-60mm on 35mmFF.
PS: heavy night + early morning. 😀
He holds the camera above his head. You can clearly see the reflection in her eyes.
Hilarious…
We just wanted to make fun of you SAR… and it worked perfectly…
No offense intended…
Whoa
http://www.eoshd.com/2015/04/update-sony-a7r-ii-confirmed-by-exif-data-full-resolution-is-9440×6300-59mp/
Has camera details in EXIF too!
those are faked 🙂
phew .. thanks Andrea .. I was almost going to sell my car
Damn .. it’s happening !
A7R II with 59 MP !!!
Who is this girl?
It’s the great-granddaughter of Carl Zeiss.
… and she always wears blue 🙂
One of my girlfriends… why?
she is beautiful 😀
My guess, the a7rii will be a resolution monster and the a9 will have an evolved 36mp sensor…
Hope its true, now I just need the 5K iMac + this new camera + the batis + 1TB SSD + … need to sell one a kidney
Shit. We were just starting to add 4K to our products and now they come up with 8K
I think a 36mp a7rii would be a waste…heres why.
The A7 series consists ot high speed 12mp camera, entry level 24mp, and high res 36mp.
When a higher res sensor comes out those that want the highest res will want that instead of the lower res 36mp sensor…..those that do not want the highest resolution will choose 24 0r 12 mp, not 36.
36mp would just be a redundant in between resolution that will only sell if it is heavily discounted over the 56/48 mp version.
It will serve no function that cannot be served with the higher or lower res versions.
The image looks to me like dynamic range is weak, much less than the 36mp. If so the 36mp would probably be preferred by many anc continue to sell well – further segmenting image quality priorities….
Most likely a Super Resolution image similar to Olympus using the in-camera 5-axis OIS. The IBIS on the 7RII is not anymore a secret.
Lower eye lashes on the left eye do have lots of jaggies looking like a upscale but the lower lashes on the right eye are much smoother and sharper. Given the A series paper aspect ratio, I expect that this was upscaled for printing and the wrong version posted on Flickr, but maybe a 59 MP camera is coming.
Last time I checked my A mount lenses still worked and so did all the A mount bodies.
I am not so sure, That looks like a strange thing going on with the bokeh, there are no jagged edges in the eyelashes in focus. And jaggies would occur everywhere if the image were upsized.
Or just for fun, may be Sony itself is doing the uprezzing to 56MP from 36MP sensor while creating the raw file 😛
Maybe they’re just showing off what you can really do with a damn sharp photo and PS’s newest resampling algorithms!
I love gear, that is capable of much more than my skill demands, as much as the next guy but this is getting ridiculous. 8k for consumers? Reminds me of all these 300-400hp cars, can anyone even handle a 35hp go kart properly? Lets tune the pissing contest down a little please. Other than some fashion photography and aerial, I haven’t seen this art form move in decades. Wait I just realized I am typing this on a gear site, sorry, I go away. Shop!