A long time source spilled out some general info on the Sony camera sales:
1) A77II A-mount camera sales slightly exceeded the projections of the first three sales months.
2) A7-A7r-A7s sales are way higher than Sony’s best projection.
3) The most sold FE camera is the Sony A7s
4) The most sold E-mount camera (FF and APS-C) is the A6000.
I am not surprised to hear that at all. And I hope Sony will take note that we need more APS-C E-mount lenses too to support the many A6000/5100 and future A7000 camera owners.
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“Most sold FE camera is the A7S” – Not bad for a camera that Sony said “we didn’t know who we were going to sell it to”. Also not bad considering all the “12MP is not enough” crowds AND the “too expensive” crowds and worst still “12MP should be cheaper than A7… because less pixels”. Just goes to show that these forums and sites are not a good representation of the buying public.
Perceptive comment.
Sold because of its video and most importantly. Iso performance, I doubt many cared much that it was 12mp vs 11 or 14 or whatever
@Admin
Nice to know and to hear something with meat on the bone.
Now its time to provide some real rumors with much meat on the bone. 😉
Looking forward to these, otherwise SAR looks more and more like an news and advertise site.
Good night and good luck
Maybe, the A7S is the best choice for video ?
I’ve see a lot of review, and a lot of people take this camera for video.
3) The most sold FE camera is the Sony A7s
Surely, that metric should be the most telling!
You’re right there, but it surprises me. Not that I don’t think the A7s is fantastic (I like mine more than any other camera to date) but I’d have thought the basic A7 would have the leader.
I also still wonder whether they could have maximised A7 sales by updating the firmware and keeping the MkII back for another few months.
Still, if they keep succeeding, I’m not going to quibble!
I wouldn’t presume to guess that Peter, all I know is the future is in motion content, I see this from the kids everyday.
I likewise expected bigger sales for the a7. My guess is the a7ii might persuade a lot of a-mount owners to switch though (I’m definitely glad I kept my beercan).
Keyword is videography; I don’t think it’s the best selling Ax for being photographers’ first choice.
One in the same today maybe!
Folk looking for the best stills camera had three excellent choices, those looking for the best video camera had one
I’m a little surprised that the 7s is the best selling, especially considering that it came out last.
Hi Admin… How credible is this news? Just saw it on Google Plus…
http://www.cameraegg.org/sony-new-full-frame-mirrorless-to-be-announced-soon/
Probably CyberShot (Digitall Still Camera, not Interchangeable Lens Digital Camera).
Or A9?
If you google the model number, it takes you to a pdf manual for the Sony KW1 selfie cam, so no such luck on the A9, but very much luck on the “fabulous” front.
“And I hope Sony will take note that we need more APS-C E-mount lenses too to support the many A6000/5100 and future A7000 camera owners.” MY WORDS! Thx!
The high sales of the A7s clearly disproved the believing in “the customer wants high megapixel cameras with 46 or 50+ megapixels”.
No, it doesn’t say that. There are many who like high MP counts, but there is also a market for low MP counts. Any other information is difficult to extract. Question is, how many did they sell (compared to A7+A7r, for example)? Anything other than a niche of the total camera market would surprise me. As Nikon Canon and Sony seem to have the same market share as Canon, Nikon and Minolta in the 90’s (Thom Hogan), either these sells eat into SLT camera sales or as Thom Hogan nicely put it they eat from the other “7 dwarves”. Maybe anyone knows more.
All credit to Sony – they’ve identified and tapped markets for low, medium and high res ff sensors.
A7s sales is a wishful thinking, plain A7 is way more popular here in Sweden.
Yeah, I really question the A7s being the best seller, it came out last, is considerably more expensive than the A7, and seems to be a bit of a niche camera. If the 7s is the top seller, I doubt that they’re selling many A7 cameras at all.
Agreed. Their estimations for the sales of whole A7 series were probably extremely low as well. This also explains problems with supply they had early on.
It is most likely that the figures are from Australia and for the month of December, 2014. Those guys know how to sell the cameras. 🙂
How can it disprove high MP FF cameras when we don’t even have them yet!
How can they afford to sell an A7s + kit zoom + an adapter for only 1200 Euros while in the EU, the numbers look like day light robbery?
God i hate the prices here. VAT taxes and all the crazy high stuff here
VAT or no VAT if the Sony EU management is replaced by their counterparts in Australia, the problem will be over!
Vat got little to deal with price differences. Even with all of the taxation added along with additional costs – Sony still earns more on cameras sold in Europe than it does anywhere else.
Vat and alike are just an excuses they use to raise profits.
Where do you get a A7s + kit zoom+ adapter for 1200€? I will fly ther and buy it.
You must have been sleeping. In Australia (dec, 2014). You must be an Aussie resident to be eligible (especially for the free adapter).
Aha ok missed it. But i think they deserve it if you think how often they pay a premium on Elektronics.
And all of them together sell just a bit lower than a t5i 🙂
“And I hope Sony will take note that we need more APS-C E-mount lenses
too to support the many A6000/5100 and future A7000 camera owners.”
I wonder if Sony will finally do that at all, I mean, it’s been years in this page that E-mount APS-C users has been asking for more lenses or at least a roadmap and… nothing really. They are clearly committed towards the FE lenses but as I said before, what’s the point of an incredible camera that the A7000 can be without the proper lens support?
FF is the future, you can get a second hand FF A7 for 700$, new for 999$. i dont see a point buying a DSLR APSC or Mirrorless for $1000+…. plus the fact that an apsc lens at 1.4 is not really 1.4, and ISO 100 is not really FF-ISO-100.
Thank you, but we don’t all have the resources to invest $1,400 in a wide angle zoom lens or $1,000 on a 55. There’s a clear market for a high-end APS-C system geared towards advanced enthusiasts such as myself. Fuji have proven it. I got myself an a6000 for $450 (!) this fall. I would LOVE to invest $1,500-$2,000 in a few good primes over time, IF I can be confident that Sony won’t abandon the E mount now that the FF dollars are flowing in. I can’t afford the FE system, nor do I need its weight.
Fuji has proven that there is indeed a market for APS-C sensors. The more I shoot with FF and APS-C cameras I see that the I like having a little more DOF in the smaller sensor. More of my pics are in focus, like the eyes in a portrait. Plus having smaller E mount primes is HUGE for me. So I’m in if Sony is in on the E mount APS-C system 🙂
Well, it’s not that I doubt FF’s usefulness, but I just cannot justify spending money on it at this point in my life. Tough I make a little bit of money off my work, I’m not a pro – and not rich either. I suspect plenty of enthusiasts share my feelings on this subject. Perhaps their ranks are even higher than the ‘APS-C is dead’ crowd.
Really? I think you got to see things a bit beyond just yourself because I’m pretty sure there is a market for high-end APS-C. APS-C offers a great price for its quality and not everybody needs nor wants FF, if I could get FF for the same size, weight and more importantly, similar price I would love that. But the optics will be bigger and chunckier, not just that, the majority of FE lenses are like $1k+ in price. Again, I’m pretty sure there is a market for high-end APS-C as it has been for quite a while.
Lastly, please, do not ever say things like f/1.4 is not really f/1.4, there is not such a thing, that’s just physics, what you might be trying to imply is about DOF measurements, which is something else and f-stop is not a DOF unit. Same goes for ISO 100 not being ISO 100, you may be trying to say that FF offers less SNR in higher sensitivities but that’s not really equal ISO 100 not being ISO 100. Saying things like that really discredit your arguments.
Still being a subversive I see.
Oh, how subversive of me, I want lenses! OMG! LOL. Unfortunately that seems far from being subversive, quite the opposite, it’s common sense.
Yeah I really want new cool lenses for the APSC E-mount.
For me A6000 is the perfect size, weight, IQ and price. I don’t want to switch to FF. It’s just too bulky and expensive for how much you won.
Stabilised sensor can probably make me upgrade the body IF I have a confirmation that r&d are spent in new lenses for APSC E-mount. If not, I suppose I will continue to use what I have until it breaks and finally swicth to fuji (which is something I will hate because of the poor compatibility between fuji files and lightroom).
Sony hit the jackpot with the A77II and never knew it. If they had bothered to push it like they have the FE models then they might have been surprised even further.
They are completely hopeless at marketing A-mount and always have been.
then tell me, why should I change from my Nikon/Canon DSLR to A77 ? price ? no difference. Should I sell all my lenses and buy the a mount expensive and old minolta stuff ? No one cares if it’s good quality or not, it looks plastic and it’s almost three decades old.What advantage does A mount has over other DSLRs ? in my opinion none. However E mount is different stuff, i can use my lenses, it’s small, superior image quality, superior video quality (a7s, a6000 – which by the way is the most sold mirorrless, no surprises). As a second body, or a sole camera I see only E mount as a viable option for me. AND so does SONY 🙂
the a77 and a77II are fast, what makes them awesome for sports. give me one canikon with 12fps below 2000$…
Aha, I see,so not even sony a6000 for 450USD( with kit lens )you all praise here ?
Stop asking those tough questions, were talking to people that are willing to pay $1800 for the 7DM2. Not the sharpest tools in the shed.
Viable for YOU because you obviously don’t need CAF and not all of us have your girly hands.
“They are completely hopeless at marketing A-mount and always have been.” – False statement.
Sony used to be much better with A-mount marketing. At least in Europe. Right now it’s a complete disaster.
I live in Europe. The A-mount cameras have NEVER been marketed, yet Nikon and Canon adverts have been all over the media.
I make a point of looking, so do know what I am talking about.
The big change came with the metabones adapters, e-mount is just so easy to adapt for other lenses, Sony don’t need to rush in the lens department with e-mount and can just mess around with their favourite thing: electronics. It is very smart of Sony to make a video specific A7S, and it is a big hit so they did pretty good for such a new system.
“4) The most sold E-mount camera (FF and APS-C) is the A6000.
I am not surprised to hear that at all. And I hope Sony will take note that we need more APS-C E-mount lenses too to support the many A6000/5100 and future A7000 camera owners.”
Sadly I don’t see Sony doing it. Why would they? It’s already the best selling platform. Why would an Exec feel they don’t need to invest elsewhere?
What Is This, a whole lot of my comments have been removed JUST because:
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Cool, thank you 🙂
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Quote me on fullframe future uptake finally in the posting but remove my posts!
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I am a native English speaker who has a deep interest in Photography and the current Sony line up, this is not acceptable
I have been accurate about the uptake of cine related equipment, the placement of fullframe and anything objective:
At some point there may have to be another more suitable site for such photography talk 🙂
The fact that you’re a native english speaker is a real surprise, it was my impression that you were using an unsophisticated translator to post your text in english. I have a very difficult time following the logic of your statements, perhaps it just me but that’s the honest truth.
The logic? what are you now, from English teacher to master programmer..
I meant no offence, and don’t doubt your intelligence. I’m from New York and suspect you are from the UK. Our dialects are much different although both english use different phrasing and sentence structure.
No you are not: again i told you: thats it type again
No I am not what?
You are not from New York and i am not interested in you anymore
I miss my old friends,. you are JUST a d**k like ever since
That’s fine, have a nice day.
Or should I say evening being that there is a 5 hour difference.
You used to follow me? I rarely post and find that hard to believe. And you don’t know me so don’t be attaching labels. I will continue to ignore your incoherent postings.
I got A and B in my GCSE’s and you got well into coding to give sense that you might overturn someones life for them on some amoral crusade
Should i do a test or face deportation?
“High end” A7000 is coming, it’s time for new Zeiss lenses… there are 3 Zeiss lenses to offer now for Sony APS-C: 24/1.8 ZA, Touit 32/1.8 (which just received new firmware for better AF pefrormance) and ZA 55/1.8 (though it performs much better on FF)… so, wake up Sony and bring us ZA 16/2 or tell Zeiss to make Touit 16/2.
you forgot the touit 12 2.8. and the 50 macro 2.8
so many lenses wanted from most users and that will taken too long, let Sony make a ultimate lens 10-105G f1.0 HSM like a pancake size 🙂
That lens…oh my…it would be epic.
Why stop there? i can JUST remove all my previous comments 😀
“A77II A-mount camera sales slightly exceeded the projections of the first three sales months.” – Shocking news considering that Sony did exactly nothing to promote the camera.
Actually they did something quite contrary – did what they could to make sure people are not going to know a thing about it. Some reviewers were refused to even get the camera for tests! Ridiculous.
Great point, there has been next to no marketing for it.
I bet the ROI on the a7’s verses A77II or A99 is substantial given they’ve gutted the camera down to very few parts. It makes more money and sells probably 2 to 1 over A mount. Hmmmm, the future? I think that’s easy to see.
“sells probably 2 to 1 over A mount” – very doubtful.
I wish we had real numbers. Not “sold slighty better than projections…and most sold.” Doesn’t really tell me anything. But we have way more E and FE cameras out there. As a system, it has to be burying A mount at this point.
Went to one of the largest camera store in europe and asked for numbers, nobody wanted to give me the answer. Would be really nice to know what “we are doing really well” actually means compared to the rest of the world.
Camera store here in CT no longer carries A mount bodies. They never even received the A77II. I kept going back month after month- no dice. They said they were frustrated with Sony and so have been the A mount customers. Such a shame.
That sucks, but not really surprised, I doubt Sony was expecting the A7 series to be such a hit and probably don’t know where to put their resources at the moment. A clear direction of the e-mount is also going to take at least another year if not longer, too many ingredients missing but enough to make it fun… for me and hopefully a lot more people.
Oh hey, Thinkingaboutcocks, Huuulk gets good ROI on whaterboarded Sony fgts…afterwards avid Canikon shooters
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Keep up the torture until Canon 7DM2 sales improve. 🙂
They say torture will get people to admit to anything, even buying a $1800 Canon 7DM2. It’s an unbelievable but effective sales campaign.
Thinking about your moms coock is what.
What ever make you happy )
Gobble gobble.
go suk a deeck, fgt. aids is fun…
So you’re saying you’re mom has aids? Stupid.
good news.. now we can expect FE 24-105 f4 🙂
and of course Canon’s mirrorlezz FF 🙂 can’t wait…
but first i can’t wait for the Apple watch and new macbook pro with retina display 🙂
Canon’s new FF mirrorless? Haaahahhhahahah, that was a good one.
Macbooks suck for photo editing, get a real monitor or get a life.
Please remove all my previous comments so i don’t have to edit every single one out and they be removed after anyway.
With my comments gone there will still be one photographer and that guy with macro 🙂
Put the class leading image quality of the D800 in a lighter more compact body for a much much lower price and people snap it up – who could have predicted that! 😉
…and make blurry photos. dat shutterslap, tho!
What, you’re big strong boy, stay mad, hold that tiny camera firmly and forgo that wimpy scientist persona.
Issue with shutter vibration on A7 is well documented. Fact that Sony refuses to admit it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
It is a great camera. Real photographers who actuality do thier homework, and not just write it off because of its size and name brand, understand that pound for pound a6000 beats anything in its class…the a7000 will be much better hopefully with 4k video, waterproof, and ibis. A great B cam to the a7s.
I think people go too far when they start comparing with the 5dm3 and other ff cameras. In no way shape or form will it out perform a full frame camera but dont think that was ever Sony’s intention.
Add IBIS to the a7000 and it’ll be a HUGE success – I’ll buy 2. My wish list would be: 18 MP for better sensitivity (I’m a wedding shooter), 1 more Function button, and a dial for controlling aperture.
no need to drop down to 18MP just boost the processing power with by adding another processor and optimizing the software.
Just put the A6000 to iso100 with the great glass and the images will give FF cameras a run for their money. The Nex7 did so the A6000 should do better
“Real photographers who actuality do thier homework, and not just write it off because of its size and name brand, understand that pound for pound a6000 beats anything in its class.”
It’ll take that as a compliment, thank you! I find it a great little cam. Now we need some glass…
Had a lot of fun with the a6000 and some legacy glass, great for extreme shallow dof action because of the 11fps. something I could never pull off with the 5DIII or a D700. It’s a shame the video codec is a bit miserable, but I shoot pics with the a6000 and vid with the A7S and they both fit in the bag that used to hold my 5DIII + 24-70. Only now I carry 24-70 / 70-200 + a6000 + A7S&grip and enough batteries and memories to shoot for a week and it still feels lighter.
The A6000 is the best photographic bargain on the market today, it’s a giant killer.
It’s a cool little camera, but I don’t like the image in low light, anything above ISO640: time to break out the A7S. It can use a faster / better processor and needs more really fast lenses. to become a giant killer imho.
Good points, but I believe it uses the same Bionz-X processor as the A7 series. The only thing lacking is the strength of the body, unlike a full sized camera you can’t hang a big lens off it and carry it around with just a neck strap. As for lenses, a smart shopper would invest in FE and or A-mount with adaptor. The FF lenses will have a better return on investment and be usable on FF bodies.
True, same Bionz-X, then perhaps it is the sensor that underwelms me in low light. Or perhaps coming from a 5DIII and A7S it is a quality lower then I’m used to? Who knows, will have to shoot both camera’s in the same situation to see if it is just a subjective ‘feeling’ or actually true.
Had no issue carrying it around with the 70-200, and yes I only buy FE lenses, but that’s because I got the A7S as well as the a6000. But a nice high quality little holiday zoom might be nice even if it is just APS-C. Big fan of keeping things small, light and unprofessional looking.
There is a huge gap between A6000 and A7S in low light (I have both) and not talking about noise as such. But I think it is still fairly ok noise wise but the other big difference is noise starts to creep in much earlier but still acceptable at higher ISO values (if that makes sense).
The a6000 performs poorly at iso800 and above. I would be happy with sony’s next generation apsc cameras giving us clean iso shots at iso1600.
I was testing the Olympus epl7 yesterday at a store. The pictures are amazing on the new generation Olympus MFT. Body is small, built is great, lens are cheaper and shots are great at iso1600 and upto iso3200 it’s almost acceptable.
What ARE you talking about? Poorly at ISO 800 and above and m43’s is good at 3200-6400? Get your hand off it. What exactly is your method of comparing? Also Oly fudge their ISO’s so ‘ISO 3200’ looks impressive for review sites who don’t bother to check actual exposure. If the A6000 is unacceptable at 800 then the A7 is unacceptable at 1600 and Sony might as well pack up and go home with ‘acceptable’ m43’s at 3200 bah!
I said “almost” acceptable at iso3200. The a6000 is not even “almost” acceptable at iso1600.
Whatever my opinions and limited comparisons, you cannot deny that the a6000 performs poorly at iso800.
So you are trying to convince me the A6000 is at least a stop worse than m43’s? Bahahahahaha! That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard on a camera forum today 😛
A-mount is so dead.
I don’t think so, it doesn’t cost Sony a lot to put A6000 and any following versions into A58/A77 bodies, perhaps with the mirror and PDAF sensor and you have the A mount bodies ready.
And Sony can completely drop the SLT mirror and traditional PDAF sensor when on-sensor PDAF completely matches its performance in a year or two, it would be even easier for Sony to maintain 2-3 A mount bodies.
I wonder how would you explain customers that you’re selling a body with a huge useless hole inside, which as a result has a fixed 25mm tube that can’t be removed…
Your customer will ask: why not cut this tube off and change it into an adapter? So you could use both E-mount and A-mount lenses.
But Sony has already done that, haven’t they? A-mount lenses works similarly on the A7 with LA-EA4 and on proper A-mount bodies with similar PDAF chip (so not as good as A77II). It is cheaper to replace adapters than bodies.
Mind you, lenses are made to match the AF system. A-mount lenses were designed for a proper PDAF. They won’t be very fast with on-sensor PDAF-hybrid-thing and will be pathetic with contrast detection. So just removing the mirror in A-mount bodies and giving it a new sensor is not the answer. Sony would have to replace A-mount lenses… That would be idiotic, when they already have a new mount for mirrorless.
I have a question for you or anyone willing to answer. I’ve heard it mentioned more than once about lenses being designed for pdaf or on sensor pdaf or contrast detect. What is the difference in design? I can’t fathom that they are different optically, so is the difference in the focusing motors? Or is it something else all together?
Yes, the main difference should be the motors, but also the mass of the movable parts (for focusing) and gearing.
Because of the way PDAF works (it knows what direction and how much to move lens elements to focus) it requires a fast motor with snappy start/stop. Best for this is the popular (last 2 decades) Ultrasonic motor. Manufacturers have it under different names: ultrasonic, supersonic, hypersonic, silent wave, etc.
CD-AF works by starting to move the focusing lens element without knowing which way and how far is the focus and monitors the sensor image trying to achieve maximum contrast (in focus). As a result it has to change direction at least once but usually several times. First it has to get the right direction, changing it once if it happened to start in the opposite direction, then goes on improving contrast until it goes past maximum contrast (so that it confirms that this is the spot) and then as to move back to the optimal contrast. The problem is that an Ultrasonic motor does not have the ‘tools’ to go back to this exact place. So it has try hitting the place backwards slightly overshooting and then again for wards, etc, until required tolerance is matched (lens hunting).
Newer stepper motors have the ability to ‘count their steps’ and after the initial passing of the optimal focus position go back right to it without ‘hunting’. These motors usually are in combination with ‘focus by wire’ ring and I’ve been told this is how to recognise them.
Everything Everlast wrote is basically correct.
The key thing to remember is the mechanism of movement. Normal motors (USM or not) move in some direction with some speed – you control this with voltage. They have some inertia which means they will move a bit when you cut off the current. You have to brake (e.g. by giving an opposite voltage). This is all very fast, but not very precise.
Stepping motors move by constant steps. They have minimum inertia, they change direction very quickly. They are perfect for CDAF for the reason described by Everlast.
The other thing to remember is that mirrorless cameras with PDAF really use a hybrid AF system. Many people say that e.g. a6000 has PDAF, so it should work well with older A-mount lenses. It doesn’t.
When a “hybrid AF” is close to the target (or it is too dark for phase detection) it will switch to measuring contrast. As a result a lens with traditional motor will always be an issue.
Problem here is that PDAF on sensor doesn’t get much light. It has to “share” it with the the standard pixels. Also the refresh rate (the rate at which body gets measurements) is limited by many things (sensor is big and slow, information has to be sent to a CPU and so on).
This is the main reason why dedicated PDAF chips have the edge in tracking and low light. They only have to do one thing, they do it internally (they send the “movement” data directly to lenses – not through other camera electronics). They are and always will be faster.
I don’t have to explain anything to customers. For you the space between the sensor and the mount (A mount) is wasted space, for me maybe as well, but for others it is the DSLR style body, ergonomics and lens-body balance that counts. Don’t assume everyone has your preferences. Should also mention the larger battery and more manual controls as well.
Also, a lot of people have tons of quality A mount lenses and don’t care for new E mount lenses (it is a mature system remember?) so they don’t want your adapter and mount.
And when you say on-sensor phase-detect keep in mind that it IS phase detect. It doesn’t matter if it is on-sensor or off-sensor! There might be differences but it works in the same way, makes a reading and calculates which direction and how much the focusing lens elements need to move and instructs the lens.
So why not just make an E-mount camera with a larger dSLR style body, that takes a larger battery, etc?
The A-mount can’t be downsized… The E-mount can be upsized.
So imagine you have this new mirrorless A-mount, side by side with an upsized E-mount, in a nearly identical body (just the sensor would be in a slightly different position and the physical mount would be different)..
What’s the sales pitch to the customer? This “A” camera only uses A-lenses.. While the E-camera can use E-lenses and A-lenses with an adapter?
Umm, what exactly is the sales pitch for the A-mount?
I understand you completely and I personally use E mount only, but you see how many people keep crying for A mount bodies and since it would be a minimal cost for Sony to put the same electronics (even if they have to add a mirror and old style PD sensor) this would mean they are maintaining their older (or even Minolta’s) system. For photographers this means a lot, after all not every company can say they have a system thats 4-5 decades old!
As for the E-mount camera with DSLR style body they already have it: A3000 ! (although I think it doesn’t have any sort of PD AF, just CD AF)
But if the cameras continue to move towards each other…. E-mount improving AF… A-mount going mirrorless… eventually using the same AF system… E-mount can be upsized for identical ergonomics..
Then the ONLY reason to keep the A-mount around, would be an existing customer base? And let’s be honest, it’s not like it’s a Canon/Nikon sized customer base.
How many companies are still making VCRs to service people with huge VHS collections? (I have a huge VHS collection gathering mold in my basement).
People were mad at Apple when they changed the charger, “now our old accessories won’t work anymore!” Apple correctly knew people would quickly get over it.
I’m not making any guesses about Sony’s intent. But IF the two systems continue to converge, if there become no distinctions between the systems other than flange distance, I think Sony will quickly determine they have no reason to continue A-mount.
If Sony had never gone the SLT route, there would be slightly more reason to keep two separate lines — A-mount for people who want traditional OVFs, E-mounts for those who want EVF. At least it would be a distinction you could market around.
The adapter is clunky. And some of the space around the mount gives you room for bigger evf optics pop up flash etc
They might be able to do something interesting with that space once the mirror goes, like a fold in Cpl filter or grad nd filter.
With ssm2 the lenses should be good for a very very long time.
I can use film camera with a mount, can’t with e mount unless I made my own and guessed focus.
A more robust camera is another reason, if your using heavy lenses.
pentax have less market share and still have multiple models of slr’s.
A mount is more for existing customers and those who want a physically larger camera.
A e mount camera with a elegant adapter might be ok
But how often do I care if my camera / lens is 2cm or so longer? Specially with longer lenses which tend to have the rear element more forward, its rarely. And for small camera moments I got 3 sigma dp and my phone. Or film camera 🙂
I am a DSLR owner and I don’t plan to move into a smaller body.
And you must be from USA. 😮
Mirrorless cameras looking like a DSLR will be common in the near future. Sony A9 might be the first one. If not, Nikon and Canon will make them for sure.
And obviously the on-sensor PDAF does not work like a dedicated PDAF chip. Please, read some proper explanation before further commenting.
These are totally different technologies, just based on similar physical phenomena.
Check Canon. Does the new dual-pixel AF (this is phase detection) work like a normal Canon PDAF? Does it work well with USM lenses or maybe it prefers STM (which use stepping motors – just like lenses dedicated for mirrorless from Sony, Olympus etc)?
I am actually in Europe.
Yea, I know people in the US like them DSLR cameras 🙂
Surprisingly, my personal preference at the moment is for compact metal NEX 5/7 style cameras, as I don’t want to cary around heavy DSLRs. I owned Pentax and Nikon DSLRs in the past, still keep some of the lenses, but nowadays only have Sony E mount bodies.
What I was saying is that it would cost very little for Sony to put the designed and tested E-mount electronics into DSLR body and keep maintaining 2-3 A mount bodies. This is very important for many people that used Minolta/Sony for decades, even if Sony have to add proper PD AF sensor for a few more years until they perfect the on-sensor PD. There is certain prestige ti maintain a 40-50 year old mount and system and a lot of people keep crying A mount is dead 🙂
The important features of PD AF would be to enable direct calculation of the direction and distance to achieve focus. In reality every manufacturer is probably implementing it in different way, some might even use it as a marketing trick, but as soon as it gets up to traditional PD-AF sensor performance and it is providing the benefits of PD-AF sensors it doesn’t matter.
I do not want to compare, only a good A7000 4k intern Camera for 599,-$….that is all.
Adapter and many Lenses out there to go. so…. Do it right Sony, not joke me to…….long
???? Samsung nx500 4k affordable…
NX500 doesn’t do 4K according to leaked specs and no VF. So good luck with that.
All right, it’s time for a 16-50mm F2.8 and 50-150mm F2.8 for the a6000. C’mon Sony, bring it on!
Also a 50-150mm F2.8 SSM would be great for the a77mk.2
Shutter slap issues fixed. Some rubber sealing like canon cameras. Wifi flash. Small like a7r and it’d be a perfect system for me
Any good flash system would be welcome right now, but wifi flash even better.
WiFi has far too long latency to be used reliably for flash. Aren’t you the guy who said that A7S sold well because people don’t know how to use flash?
Ah ok, yes I think I said, I wondered if the A7S sold more because people don’t know how to use it / there is no good flash system from Sony except perhaps from phottix but I have not tried it.
I don’t think a lacking flash system is the reason why people buy the A7S, if they wanted flash that is what they’d buy. A7S opens up other opportunities for both stills and motion video.
Well it was just a bit of fantasy speculation. Who knows why most people bought it. I only know why I got it: the lovely organic image / dynamic range /low light / video / XLR audio option. With the audio option being a really important part of the decision.
A77II is an awesome camera. I just learned that the Canon 7DII has the same restrictions of fixed wide open aperture to get the 10fps. Apart from that, it also has to have at least 1/1000 shutter speed & disable the iTR tracking. Its laughable. The A77II can do better at half the price! It should have been marketed better… Much better… dpreview hasn’t even reviewed it yet… Sad…
The 7DM2 is a big overpriced disappointment.
overpriced? nope. disappointment? If you thought it would cool your beer: yes, as a camera: nope.
If the price was reduced by 50% it would be a good buy, at it’s current price, a big disappointment.
Oh my… Forget my comment, thought you said A7M2… haha… I give you my 100% support for what you said.
The A7M2 represents a great value for a full frame, full featured camera. And it’s cheaper than the Canon 7DM2 which is APS-C. That we both agree on!
Hope they do the same good job with the A99 II. But keeping Gps along with NFC and spreading the AF-Points.
I wish I bought the A77II over the A7. No big deal, I’ll own them both soon enough.
“I just learned that the Canon 7DII has the same restrictions of fixed wide open aperture to get the 10fps.”
Nope, this is flat out untrue.
“Apart from that, it also has to have at least 1/1000 shutter speed & disable the iTR tracking. Its laughable.”
iTR drops the framerate to 9.5 fps, not a significant difference.
“Nope, this is flat out untrue.”
Nope. Its true. Look at this thread: Canon’s own user manual states that the 10 fps can only happen under certain conditions of aperture, shutter speed etc.http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54961306
“iTR drops the framerate to 9.5 fps, not a significant difference.”
Supporting evidence please?
“Nope. Its true. Look at this thread: …”
Ah, I can see why you would think that but the 1DX also has the same warning and it certainly has no trouble with stopping down. If you notice, there’s additional comment that states (varies depending on the lens). If you stop down to something like f/22 then you can see a slowdown in frame rate due to the time it takes to completely close and reopen the aperture but this has no effect when the aperture is stopped down only a couple stops. (Note: I wouldn’t be surprised if it actually does slow down the framerate to something like 9.95 fps when stopping down, but there’s not a signfiicant slowdown that you would notice.)
“Supporting evidence please? [In reference to iTR]”
If you read just one line or so earlier in the 7D2 manual you’ll see it states;
“When EOS iTR AF is operating (p.128), maximum continuous shooting speed with will be approx. 9.5 shots/sec.” But don’t take my word for it, just download the 7D2 manual and check for yourself. Also look at the 1DX manual and you’ll see the same statement about the maximum aperture.
Now sony big clue here… remember E-mount lens and cameras have huge potential.
Tested today A7II Elkorā. AF is UNUSABLE!!! Crap!!! Maybe for still work is suitable, not for moving!
AF for video is for noobs only anyway. AF tracking works pretty well on the a6000, but if you want to shoot video, don’t buy a A7II, A7S is the only FF video option that works.
Was the camera turned on ?
The camera’s not meant for sports action…should’ve gotten a A6000 instead.
I am A6000 and A5100 owner already, so no worries! 🙂 And A99…
Heh makes sense.. Aparently we people like to buy the best and most feature rich / feature right models. 🙂 .. perhaps Sony can learn from this.. Do what ppl want .. It worked very well for Panasonic GH4 success.
I need sony , zeiss 18-105 f4 OSS ( second version ) no more distortion please . Sony are you there ?
You can correct distortion in camera or even in Photoshop and Lightroom. Distortion is not a problem in Digital Photography anymore!
You’re talking to a man that shoots macro at F2. He’s beyond help.
JUST watching the masters at work…
Well it seems that A-Mount sell even if the creators try to hide it in order to push the gremlings.
greater without enlisting…
The a-mount will be sale better if Sony state to this will clear
I just want an affordable ($500) Sony 85f1.8 (if they release a Zeiss, maybe I’ll think about it twice, provided it doesn’t exceed $999), and I’m done with lenses.
I don’t think that will ever happen. The rumored Zeiss large aperture prime (85 f1.4) will be more expensive than the FE 55. So >$999…
I was interested in the A7 series for a long time, still am, but mostly for its build quality and extensive controls. FF is not too important to me. I’m really interested in the rumored A7000 and hope it feels every bit as solid as the latest A7, but I’m seriously hoping Sony doesn’t think they’re done building out the APSC lens line of high end optics. I would love a fast 16 and 85 to complement my 24 and 50mm primes
I prayed and I saw a heavenly vision. It was an A99 decending from heaven with no mirror, fast AF and class leading ISO. It rode on a chariot filled with endless accessories and a new flash. Was it a dream?
For A-mount, good news that A77ii exceeded expectations, wish it was more than just slightly. Given pent up A-mount demand, it’s not surprising that the A77ii would sell decently… The real question is, what were the expectations? If they had very low expectations, and the expectations were slightly exceeded, that doesn’t say much for the future. Hopefully they had good expectations, and those good expectations were exceeded.
I wonder how the A77ii sales compared to the A7 series and A6000…
US Amazon rankings suggest the e-mount cameras greatly outsold the A77ii… but nothing in this rumor post reflects the comparison.
I’m a tiny bit surprised the A7s outsold the A7 and A7r — But I think it does demonstrate that massive high MP resolution is not necessarily the goal.
A6000 being a huge seller.. matches what I see in the real world. I’m seeing it create the same sort of buzz that the RX100 generated a few years ago. A product that traditional dSLR owners are loving… Canon and Nikon owners are ready to test out, whether as a second camera or as a new primary camera. Among pros and super enthusiasts, you get that reaction to the A7 series… But many lesser enthusiasts are embracing the A6000.
The success of the A6000 may be why we are hearing that the A7000 is coming soon.
Thank you Mr. Glass half empty troll.
As far as the A7s outselling the 7 and 7r goes, I have to disagree with you on your point of MP not being the goal. I think the reason that the 7s sells the best is the low light capability. All things being equal people would take the high MP in a heartbeat if it had a native iso of over 100,000 like the A7s. I find 12mp a little small. Yes I print big. But for low light there is no other option at any MP right now.
You’re missing that those are opposite goals. It’s like saying, “I want a minivan that performs like a race car.” Higher MP cameras perform worse in ISO, due to smaller pixels. The a7s outperforms the ISO of the a7r BECAUSE of the lower resolution.
Sony didn’t arbitrarily decide to limit the a7s to 12mp…. They did it, in order to improve the ISO performance. And the market response seems to suggest — that many many buyers in the market consider ISO performance more important than resolution.
Why ain’t you out shooting sunsets with your D750?
I am…
https://flic.kr/p/pZYCk2
https://flic.kr/p/oTMphJ
And let’s throw in some flare:
https://flic.kr/p/qhkxsR
You diggin that camera huh. Hmm.
It’s got the “best” of Sony full frame: The fantastic 24mp Sony sensor, with its absolutely amazing dynamic range.
It greatly improved on the most infuriating aspects of the A99: The mediocre AF system and low light performance.
So it has everything that I’d like to see in the A99ii, except the A99ii doesn’t exist yet, and we don’t know if/when it will exist. (SAR guesses a 60% chance we see it sometime this year).
So yeah, I got tired of waiting for a new A-mount fullframe offering…. If an A99ii can match the D750 in auto-focus, if it can come within 1/3rd of a stop in ISO performance, than the A99ii can potentially be a superior camera. But such an option doesn’t currently exist, and I’m not a fan of the A7 series with it’s limited lens lineup, mediocre AF, and small body ergonomics.
And what about that Nikon 135mm F2 I believe it is. It has like a variable option for the bokeh or something. I’d need to know how that lens performs. Is it decent do you know?
No clue. I don’t find Nikon lenses better than Sony lenses — but I do find they have far far more choices, including more high quality budget friendly options. Sony doesn’t even offer a cheap 50/1.8 full frame for a-mount or e-mount.
There are hundreds of Minolta 50mm F1.7 lenses out there for $50 for a-mount. Stick to what you know please.
You’re talking about a 25 year old USED lens. (Which is a pretty poor lens to boot). Does Sony offer a NEW 50mm lens for full frame a-mount or e-mount that is under $250?
Again, talking out of you a$$. It was designed in the same era as the cheap Nikon lenses and has equal or better performance. But anyone stupid enough to buy a D750-POS wouldn’t know that.
People like you are a reason why some stay away from E-mount. They don’t want to join the duchebag club. GTFO.
Now you’re starting to troll Adam.
The sal50f18 plastic one covers full frame I’ve heard, but its screwdrive performance :/
It’s an aps-c lens. It automatically puts the a99 into 10mp crop mode. I’ve heard it can cover the full frame, but the a99 firmware won’t allow it. Sony wants to force full frame owners into more expensive lenses — the double the price 50/1.4, which is really only a so-so performer itself. Not a bad lens, but no better than the cheap 50/1.8 lenses you can get for CaNikon.
Leave him alone Adam. He’s a troll, you are right, no point keeping that discussion going.
Yes and it’s an f/1.4 :
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l2632.R2.TR4.TRC1.A0.H0.Xsal50F14&_nkw=sal50f14&_sacat=78997
It is not made for D810 like cameras (for me not sharp enough and contrasty wide open, which is why I would buy the lens). Defocus control is nice, but can take away sharpness, too. After long reasoning we decided for the 135/1.8 from Sony with A7ii as backup for portraits. There is a rumoured successor, but I can’t wait forever.
It’s a nice camera Adam. They’re all nice if you’re objective, we only rag on the trolling bigots who stop by to fight.
Stop lying to him, it’s a POS and you know it.
So stop asking for an A99II.
Ask for an A9 (with DSLR-like handling) and a new A-mount adapter (with currently offered PDAF).
And you got stuck with a defective POS camera, great move Adam.
As it will be fixed for free in case this minor thing occurs end of this month, the camera will be even better.
Play nice. 🙂
🙂
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/4170563047/nikon-usa-addresses-disappearance-of-d750-from-retailers
They look good, how many extra shots did it take to find these three without flare. A couple hundred I’m guessing.
The last one is flared pretty badly, it’s the only one taken in direct sunlight.
Yes, your right. Looks like a lot of post processing was used to restore the color. Overall it looks like crap.
Yes… It has the exact same flare one would get with the a99, the a7, or any other camera. It’s the type of flare one expects to get. Are you even aware of what the issue with the d750 is, that has affected some camera bodies? In a small percentage of shots, dependent on the angle of flare, there is some black banding on the top edge of the frame. I haven’t had this ever occur in any image, but I am aware it happens with some of the bodies.
No, that’s the flare you get with the D750. You’re talking out of you a$$ now. Nikon sucks and sold you a defective camera, send it back and get if fixed. The direct sunlight image looks like crap and is unacceptable.
Haha. You are proving you are a moron and you don’t even understand the d750 flare issue.
Ok, it’s a great camera, you just can’t use it in direct sunlight or indoors with bright lighting. Otherwize it’s great. Denial is not a river in Egypt.
Can’t use it in direct sunlight? Huh?
https://flic.kr/p/pK9sc9
Can’t use it indoors? huh?
https://flic.kr/p/qmmiGu
Can’t use with bright lighting? huh?
https://flic.kr/p/pAyED4
The sun has fallen almost totally below the horizon in this shot, and it looks like is should. This is not direct sunlight, try again Adam. Go outside right now and take a shot against the sun, stop trying to BS us.
Well, the sun has already set here, so otherwise I’d be happy to do it. But I’ve taken hundreds of such photos (literally), as I was testing whether my camera has the flare issue or not, to determine whether to send it in for revision…. And I wasn’t able to reproduce the reported flare issue in a single shot.
Now, I don’t normally go around taking badly flared images on purpose — I prefer to keep my back to the sun, or the sun out of the frame.
And actually, this again shows your total ignorance — The D750 “issue” doesn’t even occur when the sun is in the frame. It is reported to occur as a very precise angle when the sun is just barely outside the frame.
Thus, for example.. the sun was just barely outside the frame in this image, yet no “issue”
https://flic.kr/p/qhmHvz
Denial much?
Actually, I’ve taken a few thousands shots and have never experienced any flare problems. Now stop trolling.
The last shot, which is the only one taken directly in the sun is a mess. And that’s a fact.
You idiot, lol. You might not like the shot, but it doesn’t have the infamous d750 flare issue.
they went with 12mp to give it a full sensor readout when doing 4k video. I am not wanting a mini van with race car performance. I understand noise vs pixel density. I was just referring to how in time the noise problem will improve as the tech does and eventually we will see higher pixel density than 12mp full frame that will offer native 100k iso.
If you make a camera with higher Mpixel, Sony can just make a camera which stays at 12Mpixel, and the Sony camera will still outperform your camera in low-light.
Assuming everything else is equal.
It is true I started my move from canon to Sony with the RX100 in a manner of speaking, I’m also wondering if the A7S is popular because: people don’t know how to use flash properly or / and there is no really good flash system for the A7 series, And well motion is really the next big thing after the megapixel race. I hope good sound and internal 4K with global shutter will be the next.
Hard to guess what features the market will prioritize. Sony thought buyers would prefer Betamax over VHS for superior video quality. But buyers preferred VHS because the tapes were longer and could record an entire football game.
I do think there has become an attitude of wanting to take great shots without flash. Partially because some people only know pop-up flashes and never learned how to a speedlight properly. Also because, especially when the goal is to be compact with an A7, using a speedlight adds a lot of bulk to the set-up
But remember, there are also many many high ISO situations where a flash won’t give you much benefit. Shooting high shutter speed action… shooting in large auditoriums, etc..
I taught myself to get a lot out of a speedlight when I owned the A55.. but I still like a camera with more and more ISO latitude. I feel like ISO is kinda like money… No matter how much you have, you wish you had just a tiny bit more.
Megapixels dont equate to image quality. Call me crazy but the a7s almost has a medium format film look to it, and the a7r produced huge soft images 75% of the time. Video quality is superb. High iso is also a factor for wedding photographers. I shot 2 weddings thus far with the a7s and really enjoyed shooting at iso 2000-3200 and it looked like 400 iso… and you better compose properly in camera cause the drawback of 12mp is the inability to crop much.
I love the look of te A7S, and to be honest I also really love the fact you have to nail it in camera instead of shooting close to what you want and re compose later. It’s been a lot of fun shooting with the A7S and the video blows me away every time I edit it. As you say the high ISO is also very practical, shot a video for a client with nothing but candle light with a nice old fast prime and it looked amazing.
time to give up on a-mount n look somewhere else
Why not wait until Feb. Too see how serious Sony is about A-Mount future? For me it’s all in for a A99II with top specs or I’m out.
Sir, you speak much wisdom. I salute you.
Thank you Sir 🙂
This kind of vague triumphalism is typical of corporations, but is non-quantitative.
Yeah…how dare corporations be pleased about good sales figures….shame on them…naughty corporation!
I am surprised about the A7s but not the A6000 -hopefully we will get a 14mpix A7sII with 4k internal or will it be more of the same but IBIS? both would be ideal
I would prefer a 12Mpixel or 9Mpixel A7sII instead. The fewer (and larger) your photodiodes are, the better low light capability you get.
4K recording only requires 8,3Mpixels.
>1) A77II A-mount camera sales slightly exceeded the projections of the first three sales months.
>2) A7-A7r-A7s sales are way higher than Sony’s best projection.
That will be used to say that “people don’t want A-Mount, they want mirrorless”…
Unsurprising, given that A77II, despite being the best APS-C camera out there, received ZERO marketing and ZERO assurance that the system will even continue. In fact, since 2011 and A77-I, Sony has FAILED completely to promote and educate customers about the advantages of SLT.
Meanwhile A7x were pushed like crazy by Sony.
Now, more dumbed down gadgets will come, and A99-II will delay even further…
It’s hard to promote about advantages of SLT when there are none.
Phase detect on my a99 is awesomesauce especially on telephoto end. PDAF on SLT is faster on my sensor based AF A7. My A7 is slow and sluggish in focusing and capturing but the picture and video quality surpasses my a99.
Not a single A7 series camera can be used for fast phased professional work. Only a99, A77ii and the A6000 can fill that role.
I find my a99 to be a pretty slow focusing camera in less than ideal light. It’s a shame that Sony didn’t implement a non-continuous dual phase focus mode also.
Yet still much faster than any A7-series camera.
I tested a7s focusing in low-light, compared it to 1dx in a low light environment. The a7s often caught focus sooner. The a99 would just continuously shift back & forth.
This is very interesting. i would love for sony to succeed in this game. A7s locking focus faster than 1dx is quite an achievemt. Can you rely on a7s to deliver stellar results for events? What lens line up are using for it?
I could rely on it once Sony gets serious about the flash system and replaces the faulty f60 flash with a successor that does not overheat. I rented the a7s for a couple of weeks to test (alongside my 1d-x). I mostly used the 35mm, but also tested it with a mount and canon lenses via an adaptor.
An a7s II with the a7 upgrades will be an amazing event camera and I’ll pre-order it upon announcement.
So, you’ve never shot a Sony camera, right? Move along.
http://nikonrumors.com/2015/01/14/nikon-d750-is-being-silently-recalled.aspx/
I agree.
a77 II and A mount should be promoted much better. It’s woth it !!!!!
It’s obvious sharpshooter and HULKSmash whatever are the same person. One stops posting and the other starts up. I can’t be the only one who sees this.
Same person on outside…differrent person on inside.
no longer friends with any of them, if they do anything and i ever find out….
nothing worth reading for photography here now im gone 🙂 JUST my ideas reiterated badly: this is why im no longer friends with them 🙂 They no longer have the master to even consider a friend 🙂
Paranoid much…?
Also is HULKsmashYourShit
Read profile statement of HOOLK carefully Thinkingaboutcocks:
SMASH your sh+t, HOOLK not play. Go straight for nuts yours if necessary
You want to fandangle my nuts huh? Sick bassstard.
Is there a way on SAR to filter out all non A-Mount noise? I couldn’t care less… otherwise good work.
With all respect, Steven, calling everything you personally don’t interested in, as noise, is narrow-minded (if not rude).
SAR is about Sony Alpha cameras. Even news about “perfume bottles”, which are not “Alpha” cameras, are welcome and worth a discussion for many, including me. A significant amount of SAR readers are interested in E- and A-Mount news. Get over it.
Sony dopes.
I dont know the A5100 selling numbers, but this petition here sure could do with some more support: https://community.sony.com/t5/Join-the-Inspiration/A5000-A5100-Firmware-Update-to-Add-Quick-Function-Menu-Option/idi-p/480322
very good performance Sony…now bankrupt two months later…
Will A mount be deleted by sony ? Any news about that?
Call you feggit
I don’t think so. Since it’s easier to make good and fast/bright lenses for a mount it’s actually the better mount. I like a mount much more than e maount. But a mount cameras without SLT (completely mirroeless) might come.
It’s clear that Sony focus on e mount at the moment since there is a lack of lenses and the a7 is a hot seller so good idea to manifest that market.
But on the long time I would always prefere A mount.
An e mount lense with same weight and size (and price) is always about one stop worse. So I stick to a mount. a77 II is great!
But they should add something between a58 and a77 II.
A-Mount is better, because its bigger and more robust. However, the mirror box might become obsolete in the near future. Which renders the large flange distance useless, or wasted space, to be more specific. For telephoto shooters it likely doesn’t matter if the camera body is bulkier than it have to be, but all others care about size.
So, for the majority, E-Mount will be the better choice.
Just my 2ct.
“The most sold FE camera is the Sony A7s”; “The most sold E-mount camera (FF and APS-C) is the A6000”:
I wonder which is the most sold ALPHA camera? I were not surprised if this was an a-mount (SLT-A58, A77II?).
Admin, can we please ban @disqus_f3NNTjExpP:disqus? He is not helping this forum and tries to undermine HOOLK`S meaningful contributions to reeducate Sony people
please also ban @NERD0:disqus, is also leading people on this forum towards harm of Sony
Relax!
Take laxatives to relax @nus of yours for Sony wobble lens
@NERD0:disqus has been partially rehabilitated, is not complete SOny fgt, might escape reeducation camp
I completely agree. That guy is a real asss. I’d get rid of him. Is there a petition we could sign? Total looser. Let me know, I’ll be the first to sign it.
HOOLK that call self incrimination
In other mediocrity news, McDonalds announced that their hamburgers are still selling millions a day. Unlike the Sony camera, the Happy Meal does come in true 14 bit color.
If you need someone to talk with this badly, stop by one of my franchises, there’s one by your bridge. God bless.
Customer Sales INFO: WILL ONLY BUY NEW A7000 4k intern 599,-euros.
@Anton Berlin: we in Austria liek good Food, so MC DONALDS is only IF i
was shot down with my spaceship on a strange planet-yes-then i go first
to MC DONALDS..okay..but this is no food. it is only a outof-petrol-reserve
not more. and you can kill rats with old burger…realy..terhy see a 3 monts old burger and
run and run…
waht i have forgotten ADAPER on it and i do not care waht SONY wants to sell me.
forget it.
599.. do not forget this. if not the 599,-euros PANASONIC NX-500 4k intern wins.
#live is hard
and if Sony released a low-budget (below $1000) and less featured FF E-mount camera it would sell much better than A6000
No it would not. FE lenses are too expensive.
You can check the sale statistics of DSLRs. Nikon D7100 and 70D are still a lot more popular than the cheap FF (D610, 6D). There is no good reason why it could be different with Sony.
Furthermore, D7100 and D610 are essentially the same size (A610 has a bigger pentaprism “hump”). D610 is only 100g (15%) heavier.
A7II is A LOT bigger than the a6000. It is also 250g heavier (70%).
Surely, if someone switched to MILC because of the size, he will notice the difference…
When you can buy a A6000 twin lens kit for AD$600 and a A7 for AUD$1100 with bonus 28-70mm and Sony/Metabones adapter over the Xmas/Boxing day specials….why wouldn’t these be top sellers! The A7 was a bargin for me, as I can use my old Leica lenses, plus if I sell the bonus lens & adapter, I’d get $400-500 on eBay! A cheap FF for me and I find the Sony apps are useful.
Could some please explain why do we need more aps-c lens for cropped sensors??? Sony are developing some nice Full-Frame lenses which is great…. The FE lenses will fit aps-c cameras with the 1.5x crop value. My 70-200/4 FE fits my a6000 with excellent results!! So why do we need more apc-s lenses, I really don’t get it!