Sony Full-Frame lens roadmap 2015 90mm macro – 24-240mm all-round – 35mm Zeiss and 28mm G lens
The next four FE lenses that will hit the market in early 2015 have been displayed at the Sony Photokina booth. And this is now all we know about the lens details:
Zeiss 35mm f/1.4:
Has no OSS (but you really don’t need that on fast wide angle lenses unless you shoot video with it)
Has finally an perture ring with 1/3 stop markings
likely also a clickless option (to select on lens)
It’s a big but not to big lens. Get the Loxia 35mm f/2.0 if you want something compact.
Has newly developed responsive actuator
to ship in March 2015
non-reliable pricing info: 1399 Euro
Sony 28mm f/2.0 G:
comes along dedicated converter range (16mm Fisheye and 21mm)
to ship in February 2015
non-reliable pricing info: 499 Euro (both converters should cost 229 Euro each)
90mm f/2.8 G OSS macro
90mm macro hands-on pics
you can turn off OSS with a dedicated on lens button
focus limit switch and focus hold button on the lens.
AF/MF clutch
to ship in March 2015
non-reliable pricing info: 999 Euro
24-240mm f/3.5-6.3 OSS
24-240mm hands-on pics
to ship in March 2015
non-reliable pricing info: 1099 Euro
New Sony and Zeiss stuff preorders:
Zeiss 16-35mm FE at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, Sony Store US.
Zeiss 16-35mm FE in Europe at Sony DE, UK, ES, IT, FR, CH, AT, NL, BE, FI, SE, NO, PT.
28-135mm powerzoom in Europe at Sony DE, UK, ES, IT, FR, CH, AT, NL, BE, FI, SE, NO, PT.
Sony FS7 4K camcorder at Adorama.
HVL-F32M Flash at Adorama, BHphoto.
HVL-F32M Flash in Europe at Sony DE, IT,
Sony RMT-VP1K Wireless Remote Commander & Receiver Kit at Adorama, BHphoto.
Sony XLR-K2M XLR Adaptor Kit (with microphone) at Adorama, BHphoto.
Sony LCS-PSC7 System Bag (Black) at BHphoto.
Zeiss Loxia 50mm f/2 Planar T* Lens for Sony E Mount at BHphoto, Adorama., WexUK, CameraPro.
Zeiss Loxia 35mm f/2 Biogon T* Lens for Sony E Mount at BHphoto, Adorama, WexUK, CameraPro.
Zeiss Lens Hood for Loxia 50mm f/2 Planar T* Lens at BHphoto and Adorama.
Zeiss Lens Hood for Loxia 35mm f/2 Biogon T* Lens at BHphoto and Adorama.
Zeiss 52mm Front Lens Cap for Touit and Loxia Lenses at BHphoto and Adorama.
Zeiss De-Click Key for Loxia Lenses (5-Piece Set) at BHphoto and Adorama.
Zeiss Rear Lens Cap for Loxia E-Mount Lenses at BHphoto and Adorama.
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Can anyone honestly tell what’s it like like to use a mount lense (minolta and sony) via the dedicated LAE4 adapter. I dont care about autofocus, does the focus.magnification works when you focus manually (meaning does it automatically jumps im when you rotate the focus?) i mean, look at all thecheap a moint lenses, why even bother with the native e ? As long as it is not something like 55mm 1.8. Still, to pay such a horrible price, i can either take my family on holiday or buy one stupid lens. Thoughts ?
i dont remember about the zoom feature thing, but it worked really well with the 243550 classics. you would bother to get a better grip on the camera, the bulge at the bottom is in the way IMO, and the old lenses do not have 8 pins, so 5-axis IBIS will not be available, only 3-axis. other than that its perfectly usable and that is what i am intending on buying 🙂
You’ll have to assign a C button for manual focus zoom, It works great honestly. Regarding the Zeiss 55mm 1.8 they can be hard fro around $800, which really isn’t that expensive IMO.
I just picked up a Sigma 35 1.4 Art in A Mount, and the manual focus does not trigger the punch in by turning the focus ring. You can switch between Manual & Auto with the control on the camera, or the switch on the lens. As soon as I hit Manual the peaking kicks in and works great. The Autofocus i quite quick, and overall I am very pleased with the operation. I always have C1 programmed to magnify for focus anyway, and I prefer it this way, as apposed to having it always activate when you touch the focus ring. Now I just have to get out and shoot with it. So far the few samples I have taken around the house look great.
Works well. No automatic punch in, same as using them on A-Mount SLTs (they don’t have this feature either and is specific to E-Mount). I set my middle button to Focus Settings and this acts as focus point selector when in AF and focus magnifier when using MF.
Hey, I like your updates but the title is quite misleading. Instead it should be “All the details that we know so far about the….” Instead I thought we’d be able to read about leaked specs such as minimum focus distances, dimensions, weights and etc
Isn’t there any further rumors on what Sony cameras we can expect to see be announced at CP+
ok! Corrected 🙂
Thanks 🙂
When can we get some decent A9/A7RII rumors/info? All this lens info is old news and we’ve already seen that video…
Soon!
Very soon I would say 🙂
Which means you already know something, right?
Most likely there is an imminent Sony press release! 😉 We can watch it “live” here. 🙂
No, if I did I’d tell you.
exciting!
i would like to know the FE35 F1.4 and 90mm macro is focus by wire? if that so really bad for video use if want do focusing.
most likely.
Not the macro, or if, it will act like manual (constant) – because it has focus markings…
Really a bummer for the 35/1.4, adding an aperture ring but no real manual focusing sounds half baked.
will really? then the macro will be go into my list now. I will really feel meh about the 35/f1/4 add aperture ring but no real manual focusing
focus by wire is really not very good on the sony lenses, especially the 70-200 with it’s ‘clever’ focus speed change, had some really stupid problems with that lens. Might try the 28-135 enG lens on the a7S, see how that works 🙂
yup i have the FE16-35 and FE55 i like the superb image quality but really hate to use the focus while tracking object for video. Yes 28-135 im 90% confirm i will get it, but will wait and see more review 1st.
A7S & 28-135 mounted as the go-to video solution. A7R & 16-35, 24-70, 55 & 70-200 and all bases are covered. Nice!
Impressive response rate, you are doing a good job!
While we’re at it the section:
“16-35mm hands-on pics
to ship in March 2015
non-reliable pricing info: 1399 Euro”
is a bit confusing to me as it is written in the 35mm/1.4 section. Should be a separate case or …? What I want to know is the shipping date for the 35mm/1.4.
35mm f/1.4 is the first “top” class lens for FE… and the sign that Sony is trying to replace DSLRs with mirrorless.
However, it is still unclear whether and when other lenses in this class will follow… like FE 24-70 f/2.8 and FE 70-200 f/2.8. The latter would be undeniably huge and shall end all talk of FE as a ‘compact’ system, marking its transition to a full-featured system instead.
I think “all talk” of FE as compact ended the day NEX stole the Alpha name to promote a heritage that NEX couldn’t earn by its own merit.
All Sony does now is a poor attempt to make NEX more and more like Alpha’s, in name, menu, grip style, stabilization, lens options, metal lens mounts, naming conventions… But every good toggy knows NEX is just a tempting little toy that will be forgotten the day CaNikon releases their own version that doesn’t require so much sacrifice and adaptation.
These new Sony 7’s are bigger than Rebel DSLR’s now. So misguided.
Given their pretty pathetic forays into mirrorless so far, I wouldn’t hold my breath. In the 2.5 years the Eos M’s been out, it’s amassed an impressive collection of 4 lenses.
After I got the A7, I never ever touched the 5D again. Just for size reasons alone. No complains with the image quality, thought. If Canon or Nikon comes up with a mirrorless FF, the more choice the better. But so far is just a dream..
Yawn. Isn’t it time to learn some photography?
“The latter would be undeniably huge and shall end all talk of FE as a ‘compact’ system, marking its transition to a full-featured system instead.”
No it wouldn’t. As always you are refusing to get this fact into your thick skull: E-mount’s main advantage is flexibility. It can have small lenses, it can have big lenses. It can have small bodies, it can have big bodies. It can be both a compact system and a big system for those with inferiority complexes 😉
In my view, flexibility lies in broad functionality and usability in broad range of shooting scenarios, not size.
So far Canon is the most flexible FF system, because they have all kinds of different lenses and best AF.
That is an entirely different discussion. I was specifically addressing your point that E-mount can’t be a compact system.
Yes, Canon are “the pro system of choice” unlike Nikon, who ignore video & audio with abandon.
The first, are you serious or merely delirious.
28mm f/2.0 is not “G”
Correct, it is OMG!
Yeah, Admin keeps saying it is a G, and no matter how many times people point out that it isn’t, he keeps on posting G.
We also know this is the most discombobulated inconsistent lens lineup ever created. Some lenses with aperture rings, some without. Some lenses with metal focus rings, some with ribbed rubber, some with knurled rubber. Some lenses with distance scales, some without. Some lenses with add on modifiers, some without. Some lenses with OSS, some without. Some with clickless aperture, some without.
Part of buying into an entire lineup of lenses is the benefit of consistency across the set. This Emount lineup may as well each come from a different manufacturer. Oh wait, only Sony ruins their lenses with fly-by-wire focus systems and zoom/focus rings that can’t be distinguished from each other by feel or with gloves on.
Does anyone at Sony actually use their equipment beyond the CAD draft? What’s their field testing solution for ergonomics and real world usability?
While I usually don’t like comments like this (just buy another brand), there is an important truth to it.
People bought into the FE system because they loved the Sony Zeiss FE 55/1.8 (a mini Otus), and to some extent the 35/2.8. In all of these announced lenses, there is not a single one following this success formula. Instead we are getting DSLR-sized lenses, and one 28/2 that apparently isn’t good enough to meet the requirements for a Zeiss or G badge.
It is the typical story of a Japanese company. A small team rolls out the genius A7 series and fantastic initial lenses. Management wakes up and transfers more engineers to the small team, diluting it. Months later, garbage comes out.
The saving grace is the Loxia line that is slowly rolling out.
However Sony better watch its back. Canon will be firing on all cylinders with its full frame mirrorless system and has far better consistency with lenses.
Get your points, but Canon has showed nothing yet, and they too will have to create a new lens lineup with smaller lenses. Its gonna take a lot of time.
Have you not noticed the new super high quality Canon lenses with the green ring? The new 35/f2 is getting rave reviews. And they have a pancake 50mm full frame. Canon’s lens registration distance is already shorter than others.
Expect Canon to explode real soon.
Green ring? No, and I can’t even find it if I google “Canon 35mm/f2”.
Maybe you mean white ring?
In that case, while it may be small and have IS, f2 isn’t exactly prime. And the dxomark score is 29, compared to the FE 55 at 42. Ok, dxomark scores isn’t all, but is this really what you want for your Canon FF mirrorless?
Seriously don’t compare 36mp to 21mp DxO ratings.
Canon review here.
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-35mm-f-2-IS-USM-Lens-Review.aspx
Safer investment to put this on a7 than Sony’s new 35. Size probably the same. Trade Fstop for IS.
> Seriously don’t compare 36mp to 21mp DxO ratings
You may have a point 🙂
> Trade Fstop for IS
Well, maybe that ok for some. I am not so sure. Would like both and with A7 II I can still get IBIS.
And the Canon lineup in this series of 24mm f/2.8 IS and 28mm f/2.8 IS and 35mm f/2 lenses is really too slow to be the backbone of mirrorless.
I have owned both the FE35 and Canon 35mm IS… I would take the FE35 any day of the week out of the two and would take the new f1.4 over any of them. 35mm f2 IS is quite a chunker as well, if they can keep the 35mm f1.4 relatively light it should still be smaller than the Canon + adapter.
You mean their DO lens lineup? Yeah nothing to get too excited about. The 35mm f2 is ok, nowhere near as nice as the Sigma 35mm f1.4. The IS is handy on occasion but actually doesn’t work super well. I have had both (and both at the same time). There is NO pancake 50mm, you are talking about the 40mm f2.8, which again is quite good (and certainly pretty good value) but it is no marvel.
Time, money, and a new mount. Similar to Sony. With the difference that Sony is selling its sensors to almost all camera companies.
No they wont. They will need adapters for EF, look at how many ppl like the LAEA-idea…
The LAEA-idea is a makeshift kludge that adds wobbles and looses connection. I have the 1 & 4, both of which fit Amount lenses tight, but neither fits snugly onto Emount. Aperture reads “–” all the time, as AF goes dead. I don’t know anyone who “like” that idea.
My Metabones IV adapter is more reliable and a better fit without the nasty bulging cube. Why the hElll would anyone like putting extra stress points onto their system? The concept is absurd.
I use mine every single day, it has never faulted not even once. I would say your adapter is faulty. My Metabones on the other (Mk III) is a piece of junk that almost never works. I guess people just have different experiences.
Have you considered you have a faulty mount or adapter?
My NEX-6 had the “–” problem. Sony replaced the mount pins and all was well.
You say the concept is absurd, but you bought into it. Strange.
Canon is quite in trouble, when choosing what to do with its mirrorless camera. Because of the actual flange distance, lenses will always be big as in their FF DSLRs.
Will they adopt a new mount and “offer” an adapter for the zillion Canon lenses aound the world?
Canon FF DSLR lenses are no bigger than existing Emount lenses. What are you talking about? Canon even has a 50mm pancake FF lens that Sony users have been crying years for. Canon has released newer smaller lenses in recent years. They are primed for new compact.
Rebels are now smaller than a7 series. Make it a FF EVF with pancake lens and Sony gets laughed out of the solar system.
I did not say that Canon FF lenses are bigger than Sony FF lenses.
If one aspect of a mirrorless camera is keeping its size (total size, body and lens) smaller than that of a DSLR, this is already successfull, because the body is already smaller.
If you want also small lenses, not just pancake ones, you have to take into account the flange distance.
Actually you can’t have, as someone else was wishing, a line up of lenses the size of Leica M ones (with same focal lenght and aperture)
Are you seriously telling me that the surface of the focus ring is a deal breaker?
Yeah, consistency of focus ring surfaces is the real deal 😀
Are Canon and Nikon consistent? Take Canon, they use STM, USM and whatever that old junk is. They have lenses with and without IS. They have different finishes for lenses that are roughly in the same series, but who can tell that they are as they look completely different. You have other lenses in the same series some have distance scales, some don’t. You have ones that have focus by wire and ones that don’t. It’s a bloody mess. I think the point is they include certain lens features and design that are more important for THAT lens. Focus limiter, proper MF, focus hold for example are probably more useful on a macro then they are on a 35mm f1.4. Is that so hard to understand?
All these cold hard facts are enough to make the trolls head explode. LOL
Notice the trolling is getting lamer every day? Sony must be doing something right to draw so many envious trolls to a Sony sight.
I wonder why sony decided to move already done A-mount 35/1.4 into E-mount. It is pathetic: the aperture ring placement clearly shows it was A-mount lens. No wonder it is so huge: large fast 35 for DSLR with built in adapter.
What does an aperture ring have to do with A-mount lenses that never have aperture rings?
Lenses without aperture ring are barely usable for video. Thus, they decided to introduce it.
That still has nothing to do with A-mount. Neither A or E mount have used aperture rings before.
As E-mount is already superior for video, I think it is more likely Sony would have added the clickless aperture ring on an E-mount lens.
You could almost say the same thing for autofocus.
Sure AF is useless for any serious video. There is nothing to argue with this fact.
A/F is used 99.9% of the time in VIDEO but rarely for filmmaking, these cameras aren’t aimed at serious filmmakers like you LOL-Sensei…….. LOL
Those 99.9% videos obviously are not serious. People better use smartphone for taking them instead.
What rubbish.
Call yourself a sony fanboy – that would suit your better, OK?
so true….no completely new R&D…..cheaper development and production costs….i would be surprised if the 35 1.4 fe is the only “redesigned/transformed” lens from a to fe mount….the large aperture prime is the next i guess…
I disagree with this statement. I don’t think it is a recycled A-mount design. I think Sony has a set of 35/1.4, 50/1.2 and 85/1.4 in mind with this aperture ring design and no compromises made for compactness.
I’m not sure if Sony will continue down the line of the 55/1.8, or leave that up to Zeiss.
I agree, though I think it will mostly be a 35/85 and maybe a 50 later, maybe. I think there will also be smaller slightly slower lenses in the ‘standard’ range like the 28mm f2 and maybe a 100mm f2 for example. I think they have slightly reassessed the line up since launch, many have called for faster lenses, many have called to stay with smaller lenses and many have called for less expensive lenses. Everyone has different needs but they ARE slowly being address (despite the complaints). Unfortunately people only ‘see’ what is of interest to THEM, so if a lens is slow, or small, or large, or fast, or expensive etc people will always have something to complain about.
1) There were rumors about 35/1.4 for A-mount
2) Aperture ring placement again. It is either on the front (my preferred) or near the mount.
3) The lens form itself looks too like being a real lens + adapter.
Too many coincidences.
4) “no compromises made for compactness” – highly doubt about it. Latest sony attempts in this field are unconvincing: higher price for the same performance as counterparts at best.
Designed for video, fist of many.
VIDEO, DUMBASS.
Im a a little confused. The A7 lineup is made because the really compact size of the cameras. But where did it all go wrong. The lenses are big. Where did they loose the feeling for compact lenses to the A7 series. Even Loxia is rather big if you compare those lenses to Leica Summicron 35 and 50 mm lenses.And they also ha aperture f.2,0. So why not make smaller lenses
Price. The exotic glass used in Leica lenses makes them quite expensive. The Loxia lenses have a decent size. So did the 35/2.8 and 55/1.8.
Decent, ok. But why are they still bigger than summilux 50 1.4? I believe Sonys 50 1.4 would be a monster. I dont understand it at all. Cant they build exactly the same summilux with added 10mm tube or whatever flange distance difference is?
Read a comment before you reply? PRICE. The type of glass needed to make the summilux so small is prohibitively expensive. Nobody will buy a $4000 Sony lens.
What type of glass? Can you send me a link which implies any kind of non ordinary glass used? It uses standard 7 elements in 5 groups, single coated optical glass. Nowhere can i find anything special about their glass. Yes, i know how much expensive their lenses are, but so are their cameras which also do not have some special alien tech, except that snobby aura.
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3796/10960936604_90f54eacf1.jpg
It is f1.4 and still smaller than FE 55 f1.8! I dont understand what magic is there that cant be copied.
How much is that guy?
Sony “messed up” lenses size by creating a big size flange. I think we should not expect a lot of Leica M sized lenses. Of course you can always adapt them.
Manufacturers are saying the opposite: the flange is too small, making extra glass necessary to scale things down toward the sensor.
Yes, sorry, that was what I wanted to say. (I’m doing three things right now: booking a flight to Hannover, downloading photos from the camera, trying to listen to my wife… 😀 )
(Just edited my post, thanks!)
Just drop number three 🙂
I think you could already see this in the 55 and esp. in the upcoming 90 2.8 oss lens …relatively long, the latter even longer despite being shorter in reality than longer fl prime lens of dslrs canon 100 2.8 makro or nikons 105 2.8 micro….
So they are saying the same…
Leica lenses are fully mechanical, no automatic aperture and no AF.
A lens like this can be build much more compact!
That is right. But even loxia lenses is also fully manual. They are big compared to leica lenses
I’ll use Metabones Canon adapter until Canon releases their own FF mirrorless.
Sony is just a temporary solution to get 36mp. Soon to be forgotten. Sony already screwed me out of native Alpha mount and flash system. They won’t get another dime from me.
If their effort on FF mirrorless is like on APS-C mirrorless then your temporary solution will probably get permanent.
I’ll never get permanent with Sony who shifts direction and abandons passengers without warning. At least Canon stays consistent for their users. I’m jealous of their elegant flash systems. Sony had it but butchered it killing everything for a microphone option. Just maddening.
Yay, sony = the new apple!
Do Canon release a lot of high quality lenses for EF-S? Or just new kit lenses from time to time?
Yeah like how Canon stayed consistent in refusing to move the M mount forward (how many native lenses have they got now exactly?).
They also stay consistent in making it impossible to mount crop frame lenses onto full frame bodies.
Don’t crap just on Sony, every brand has something like that.
Yep! How many prime lenses have Canon released for EF-S since inception some 12 years ago? 2!? One macro and one… wait for it… 3 months ago! Yep, as the biggest manufacturer of cameras in the world they have offered the LEAST support of crop cameras of anyone.
Word!
Silly boy, filming involves 50% using ones microphone unless you’re making high-school music video crap.
People keep buying new cameras and lenses anyway, who cares.
EOS M was a POS, second one didn’t even get released here in the North America. They really handicapped their mirrorless system just to protect their DSLR line.
What’s wrong wit mirrors and pentaprisms and excellent OVFs and excellent autofocus? Do they hamper you in your photograph taking?
And what’s wrong with wringer washing machines, they still get you clothes clean.
If you’re waiting for a Canon FF mirrorless don’t get your hopes up, it may never happen and if it does it will be inferior to every other mirrorless system available. With less features, less lenses (new mount required), the worst sensor in the industry and of course the highest price.
“Has no OSS (but you really don’t need that on fast wide angle lenses)” Really? What a silly statement. Did you already forget one of the most popular uses of the A7S is shooting video? Off course you want OSS for that, it is why I had the Canon 35 2.0 IS.
Can I ask you how you liked the Canon 2/35 IS? Does it flare a lot? Does it focus well? Lots of CA?
I liked it a lot, very well build, clean image, have not seen any CA and manual focus was a real pleasure. Very solid feel and direct response, but used it for video only so have no pixel peeped many shots, they looked really good. It was a expensive lens when I bought it, around $950 I think but worth the money. If the whole Sony thing doesn’t work out I might just go back to Canon just for this lens and the 70-200 II
Thanks mate. Let me suggest the 180 macro, too.
I have the 100mm is and it is very nice, for 180, for now anyway, I’m using my fast old Nikon manual, for most video work I’m shooting with old manual nikons at the moment. Prefer hard stop focus and just might end up using the 28-135G from Sony because it is a ENG lens, oldskool.
That’d be the one reason to go Sony for video, its a unique lens and currently at a good price too.
Admin… “Has no OSS (but you really don’t need that on fast wide angle lenses)”
You sound like a CaNikon fanboy jealous of Alpha in body stabilization. Some of us purchased Amount for the EXACT purpose of getting stabilization with fast wide angle lenses. A feature the competition couldn’t offer. Don’t excuse away another Alpha advantage.
Sorry, doesn’t the A7 II have IBIS?
It used to be an a-mount advantage, anyway…
That statement made sense if the 35mm could ONLY shoot at f1.4..
If you need to stop down and you need stabilization you are out of luck.
The A7 II is there but its only one camera.
Don’t know if Sony plans of moving the IS to all its future cameras.
Watching Samsung. Waiting for Canon.
25 year Amount owner who never thought this day would come. Can’t wait to get away from all the inconsistent Sony madness. Wouldn’t happen if Sony supported Amount better.
Nobody asked for Emount to overwhelm Amount. We asked for SSM in 85/1.4 and 135/1.8. We asked for better flash system and performance after killing our original system. We asked for better battery life. We asked for less flash delay.
Sony… “let them eat cake”.
Whatever
Enjoy your Samsung, they are great. Their flash system is first rate and the SSM in their 85mm is just wondrous
I wouldn’t buy anything more expensive than a smartphone from Samsung, the phone is a short use throwaway item. Samsung does not stand behind their high end products, anything more than a couple years old is unserviceable. If it breaks (which it will because of the junk quality) you’re stuck with it. A several thousand dollar piece of trash that’s a few years old and unrepairable. You will even have to pay to dispose of it. Stay away of any expensive Samsung products, you’ve been warned.
the only reliable products from samsung is their refrigerators and washing machines.
Their washing machines are not reliable, they look great and are built like junk.
smartphone, tvs as well…;)
TV’s are unreliable too, and you will get no support from Samsung when your $3000 POS TV dies a month after the one year warranty.
I moved to F-mount, and am super-happy. Sure, there are few things I’m missing from my A-mount cameras, but there’s also tons of new, better things Sony never even thought about.
Sony will never become a workhorse in camera market. They know how to build bodies, Zeiss knows how to build lenses, but Sony got no clue how to build a system – something Canon and Nikon have mastered by now.
So where’s promised long-awated Zeiss 85 F1.4?! 🙁
They are stopping lens development after these four there is no room left of on the roadmap… sorry.
You sure you want to pay 4500e for a lens?
Will be in the next batch of lenses. Probay gonna show them at least on the roadmap when these arrive.
Exactly, which what they have done with all previous lens releases.
> “Has no OSS (but you really don’t need that on fast wide angle lenses)”
Wrong, having OSS is *very* handy for filming with!
IBIS reminder
Can anyone explain focusing via fly by wire briefly and friendly of course? Polite request….;)
THX!
focusing ring is not connected to lens elements, it’s basically just a dial that you turn and focusing motor is reacting to it
it would be all fine and dandy, if sony wouldn’t make it work gradually (the faster you turn the ring, the faster it focuses), it’s annoying as feck
It means that you dont move optical elements directly as with manual lenses, but instead the ring moves the motor which moves the lenses.
Its a bit laggy and uses electric power while manuals dont
So a lens with af / mf switch (like the ones on canikons dslrs) has a nicer /easier/ better handling than sonys fly by wire and probably less power/energy consumption too…sonys batterys are not the best/most durable ones 😉 I know they still dont have focus peaking/magnifier for MF as sony has but i guess the next generation of their cameras will have it too….must have it due to user requests…
It seems fe mount is not the best mount/system for me just because of fly by wire focusing…..;)
But thanks a lot anyway….!
There are true manual lenses for FE mount Loxia 35mm, 50mm etc. Fly by wire isnt such a great deal in power consumption, its just that manual feels more responsive. Sony/Zeiss lenses with fly by wire are fantastic lenses too.
And, in order to achieve the quality of Sony`s focus peaking, Canon and Nikon will have to move to electronic viewfinders, which i dont believe will happen soon.
Not essential or mandatory it could be the case that you will have focus peaking only in live view mode (is used)……leica is doing this already….
Well, they will have to if they come up with mirrorless FF. Or do you expect them to be OVFs?
I dont expect them making serious mirrorless at all. I was talking about the current situation, since Lucie is choosing system obviously. I cant advise anyone to wait for something that uncertain.
I dont really believe that Canon or Nikon can compete in this electronic discipline with Sony. DSLRs are still mostly mechanical devices, and Canon&Nikon have decades of experience back to the analog days of SLRs. In sensors, Canons are lagging and Nikon are using Sony. The future is in removing all remaining mechanical devices for electronic: EVFs, on sensor phase detection autofocus etc. Sony, as a giant in consumer electrics is without a rival in this field. Once, when OSPDAF becomes as good or better than classic DSLR mechanisms, and EVFs get bigger and ultrafast, canikon will have to switch to this tech, and they will have a hard battle to survive. Old SLR tradition will be of no use there.
Samsung should be able to compete. They have big resources, too.
Thats right, i believe Samsung and even LG will be tougher competition to Sony than Canon and Nikon.
In future. Maybe. For now, DSLRs help me much better achieve what I want.
Which is failure. 🙂
Focus by wire is a by-product of mirrorless lens design. It is present on every mirrorless lens as they don’t use a traditional focus helicoid etc. If you want mirrorless (regardless of brand) and want it to be able to AF reasonably well this will continue to be the case. The new 35mm has a new actuator, what this means for MF is unknown but it ‘could’ mean much better MF.
Canon and Nikon have magnification for manual focus, if you use live view. It is as good as Sony’s, if not better.
If it’s not magnified through the viewfinder it’s useless in direct sunlight. The Sony system is much better, but give C & N credit for trying.
It sux, use superior Canikon lenses instead!
Will the Sony 28 2.0 without Zeiss and G label and being cheaper/the cheapest prime af fe mount lens 😉 be optically as good as Canons and Nikons 28 1.8s ??? Better or worser?
What do you personally guess?
See no real reason for it not to be optically very good. Many of the ‘Sony’ non-G, non-Zeiss lenses are in many cases excellent. Consider this 28mm f2 to be the equivalent of the ‘easy choice’ range of A-Mount lenses.
Come on Sony cows; line up to be milked:)
It is camera case press release or rehash of all the things everyone knows.
So, there are NO rumors?
seems so… good secrecy from sony… no A9 leaks… unfortunately 🙂
Does a Medium Format (lets say the largest common frame for arguments sake and lens compatibility 🙂 interchangeable camera system really have to be that much bigger than 35mm cameras?
Would the smallest flange distance version of such a camera still take the Sony e mount 35mm camera lenses adapted?
JUST to clarify a few things…
-a small sensor such as on the Pentax Q can have the shortest flange distance as indeed the mount for those cameras have.
-angle of view can be made equivalent with lenses on the shorter flange distanced smaller sensor cameras to those with bigger sensor and longer flange distance and also with smallest lenses
-you cannot go beyond a certain point in shortening flange distance with a certain sensor size: perhaps about as far as e mount is with 35mm sensor…
-making the sensor small again to achieve shorter possible flange distances (with equivalent angles of view) than that is possible but already exists with APSC and m43’s
-so…any camera with larger sensor such as the new Medium Format Sony one 🙂 must have a longer flange distance than say e mount:
-does anybody know of a medium format camera or system that has around the shortest flange distance or calculate what it might be?
-with such a relationship we could establish JUST how big a medium format camera might have to be to work in that way with the larger sensor and shallower depth of field etc 🙂
-The minimum size of the lenses at various equivalent focal lengths for such a medium format camera can surely be worked out too
-are fully colapsable telescopic built mounts possible that allow for all or some of these things together?
I don’t know what such a formula would be, but I’m certain the problems to overcome would make it a pointless exercise.
Ultimately, MF is looking to maximise absolute picture quality and the issues such as angle of incidence would almost certainly detract from that. Leica had to use offset lenses in their sensor (is Sony the same?) just to try to overcome some of the difficulties at the edge of the frame. A MF sensor would be a whole lot worse in that respect and, given the low production numbers and high failure rates making such large sensors now, I doubt anyone would even try.
The potential gains are too small for the investment needed.
Not worse in respect of ‘offset lenses on sensor’ but rather all JUST scaled up bigger surely for equivalently the shortest medium format sensor flange distance where the problem would in fact be the same not worse..assuming utility of medium format lenses…assuming use of 35mm lenses surely those would still only cover the 35mm sensor area thus mitigating for the problem also 🙂 Regards quality of medium format output? its already very good and these issues haven’t stopped production of digital leica or Sony A7s yet.
Some interesting stuff about short flange distance problems:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/ricoh_gxr_a12_field_report.shtml
Symmetrical Vs. Retrofocus Lenses
Before Leica produced the Leica M8 they announced that creating a full frame digital M Leica would be impossible, because the rear register distance (lens mount to sensor plane) was too short, and that there would be vignetting, colour casts, and other issues. But, this was before micro-lens technology had matured. Today, cameras such as the Sony NEX and Micro Four Thirds have register distances even shorter than that of the Leica M.
But there still is a potential issue, and that relates to lens design. All wide angle lenses from Leica since about 1980 have been of retrofocus designs. This means that the rear element of the lens does not protrude too deeply into the camera, which can prevent peripheral light rays at the edges and corners of the image from entering the photo sites properly. This can lead to vignetting, reduction of resolution, and colour casts.
So, while medium to long Leica M lenses do not present a problem with the GXR-M, there is potential for lenses that are of symmetrical design, such as the Carl Zeiss wide angle ZM Biogon lenses and WA’s from Voigtlander, to have an issue. Some wide Leica M lenses as well.
There is no relationship between sensor size and flange distance with mirrorless cameras, or any limit whatsoever. You can have the flange flush with the sensor if you want to. A small mirrorless medium format camera is perfectly possible.
However the lenses would be huge, which is the problem. As to how small the lenses can be, that depends on the size of the aperture, what ray angles the sensor will accept and what your requirements for the resolving power are.
Isn’t curved sensors supposed to fix this?
If we fix the cost of this whole arrangement as a proportion per lens or acceptable ‘compactness’ rate, then surely it would be a good idea for compactness alone, with microlenses improving otherwise and lenses getting more complex for less cost.
Sorry, I cannot see how your response relates to my question.
It says, we don’t need curved sensors for this matter and with flat sensors we will also retain compatibility with more lenses and hence the issue of flange distance regards widest compatibility which is what is fairly assumed with Sony system XD As opposed to say the fixed optimised lens of Sony RX1 or curved equivalent: and disregarding as per my comment, the price based on getting the most compact possible interchangeable system with relative compatibility across all possible lenses.
Curved sensor does this at a loss to compatibility between present and future lenses and cameras and may introduce a further problem with having 35mm lenses used on such a curved medium format sensor also.
It is correct as you say that curved sensor fixes the problem of expensive glass to avoid sensor matching problems: for the purposes of all else, this cost and i suppose compact by cost factor is being disregarded however:
Unless a curved version would solve the cost to compactness and 35mm lens use on medium format camera all through shortest relative flange distance..in which case bring on the new mount and curved sensors and lenses to match 😀
Ok, thanks. Now I see your points 🙂
So..while minimizing these ‘on sensor lens offset’ problems, there would be a flange distance that is most short while making the smallest lenses too…e mount? XD
Depends, going longer on the mount would have enabled smaller 50mm+ lenses. The Leica M mount flange distance is 27.8 mm
28mm f 2.0 look sweet but i should be 24mm f2.8. Wide angle converter on
28mm even with converter isn`t very wide (21mm) and 28mm isn`t interasting. The 28mm was popular in time when anythng wider wouldyn`t exist or was very expensive. The lenses 55 1.8 and 35 2.8 are too expensive. 24-70 is not very good at all (look tests, revievs and pictures)
The Sony stop making SLRs because of Nikon (Nikon could take sensors from Actina)
The SLR is still nice when you have to look in to viewfinder for a long time (like bird spotters) it don`t tiers the eye so much like the LCD or OLED. Sony could probadly be the best camera maker but i feel they fix themselfs as sensor and technology manufacturer. It is shown clearly even on smartphone market when you spot the diffrence between cameras in iphone (sony makes it) and latest Xperia. And the adapetrs to E/Fe mount are terrible because of lack autofocus or slt that`s easy to damage.
When i look at the past Sonys cameras there was`t also a mid range lenses something betweet G/Zeiss and the cheapest DT. And those overpriced Tamrons like 18-200 or 11-18 for example. The cheap FF camera i don`t think so (look at the lens prices)
Troll.
Are we living in “Troll country”? 😉
So 24mm is wide but 21mm isn’t?
In the past the ‘Sony’ lenses were the mostly inexpensive but good lenses (all pretty well regarded in their class). The 20mm, 28mm, 50mm, 50mm macro, 100mm macro and 135mm STF are all plain ‘Sony’ lenses inherited as plain ‘Minolta’ lenses (no G here) and are all very decent for their time (and some have only just now been surpassed if at all). The 28-75mm f2.8 while not being the most amazing lens ever is one of a kind in the big three of DSLRs as neither Canon nor Nikon offer a f2.8 standard zoom that isn’t in their top tier of lenses.
DT doesn’t mean cheap. I think you are confusing the ‘easy choice’ range with DT. DT signifies crop lenses, not ‘cheap’. The 16-50mm and 16-80mm are both DT lenses are are both quite good, as is the 16-105mm, 18-135mm and 55-300mm. The 30mm Macro (another unusual lens in this line), 35mm f1,8, 50mm f1.8 and 85mm f2.8 are all exceptionally good lenses for their class (being the ultra cheap ‘my first prime’ lenses). The rebadged superzooms are a bit ‘meh’ though.
Pretty much the rest of Sony’s lineup in A-Mount is Zeiss and G lenses. In E-Mount the 35mm and 50mm OSS lenses are part of the ‘Sony’ line and are well executed lenses, as is the 10-18mm OSS. The 16mm, 30mm macro and the ‘kit’ lenses are not so well thought of though (the A-Mount kit lenses were some of the best in class for a LONG time). The 20mm is a bit ‘iffy’ and so is the 55-210mm, neither especially good nor bad. The 18-200mm (silver version and PZ version) are way above what they ‘should’ be for this type of lens, again just a ‘Sony’.
I think that essentially round out the whole ‘Sony’ non-G non-Zeiss lineup. Mostly more good than bad. These all need to be taken in context of when they were released, but most of the time Sony have had quite excellent lenses in these lower class lens ranges.
E-mount is not A-mount.
Errr what has that got to do with what I said? A-Mount is not E-Mount either… What is your point?
Sigma, where are you with those beautiful art series lenses for FF e mount?
A 24 and 85 1.4 art lens will soon be announced, the same FL will be announced from Zeiss for the otus line
24, 35, 50. 85 1.4 art
24,35, 55, 85 1.4 otus
Maybe zeiss or sigma will announce an even wider prime then 24…maybe 18 or 20 1.4…..
Excited if the new SonyZeiss 35 1.4 AF FE Mount lens will outperform the Sigma 35 1.4 Art which you could get for half the price of one Zeiss 35 1.4 Zeiss….
Minuscule market for them to play with. They will mostly stick with cheap APS-C lenses that people can afford to buy.
for sony… but the 85mm and the 35mm Sigma lenses are excellent on Canon and Nikon.
Yes, you are correct. Sigma already explained that in the interviews, but E-mount peeps still cannot get this into their mind: E-mount is not big enough for sigma to bother with any high-end lenses there.
Sigma can’t build the lenses they have already designed because of manufacturing screw ups. No one else seems to have a problem designing and building lenses for E-mount only Sigma. Sigma is full of $hit and so are you by spreading their BS lies.
Why are all these lenses so big?????? The whole reason I went with the A7R was because of size! Due to the giant nature of these lenses, all of my current lens lineup is Voigtlander / Leica. Loxia was a good start, bring on more SMALL fast MF lenses!
You expect Sony to make MF lenses?
1.Its a FullFrame sensor the lenses need a certain size to serve the sensor…you cannot change physics…..
2. The design of Sonys FE Mount with its short flange distance resulting in even longer lenses than nessesary (e mount was first solely created/developed for APS-C!!!….)
3. If you wanna have/aiming high quality/excellent optics you need glass, /complex design with few exceptions (Nikons 85 1.8, Zeiss 55 1.8 FE) and good glass is heavy (evidence Zeiss Otus line, Sigma Art series…
My 2 cents…
Totally agree….not only trolls here, still some wise man left 😉
If the sensor moved back mechanically, e mount could accommodate a new lens line in a different lens body length relation to flange distance for truer optimal compactness. They would not be compatible backwards on older cameras of course…
Just wanna provide an evidence of point 2 you can see this in the upcoming 90 2.8 OSS Macro…. its already longer than canons 100 2.8 and nikon 105 2.8 micro lenses despite being a shorter FL in reality…..
You need distance between the optics and the sensor for longer focal lengths (or some really fancy glass). In DSLR the mirror box provides some of that distance which needs to be built in to the e mount lens. Even so the e-mounts usually end up shorter when combined with the body than their DSLR counterparts.
#2Could you explain me then why Loxia Lenses are small and work well on e-mount (same for leica/zeiss lenses except wide angle lenses but that’s another issue more related to the thick glass on the sony’s sensor)
Sure….
1. Loxia lenses and leica have no AF
2. Some lenses/FLs e.g. the normal FL 50-60 are much easier to develop/construct less complex design is often necessary to achieve great IQ…zeiss 55 1.8 is calling…
3. Yeah the wide angle issues (haloing etc.) are another big bummer for Sonys FE Mount which has to be solved….i guess it has to do that the fe mount is not width enough and that esp. with prime lens you will see the problems and they are difficult to design….thats maybe one reason why Sony made a 16-35 zoom lens, only a 21 converter not lens and so far the 28 mm (incl 21 mm converter!) is the widest wide angle prime for Sonys Fe Mount/on the lens roadmap….and 28 is only a moderate wide angle prime….;)
To make optical excellent (with good corner sharpness wide open) (ultra)wide angle prime lenses for FF is one of the most difficult/toughest/competitive things to develop/construct as a lens engineer/camera company….you can see this that only the 15 2.8 zeiss lens is the one that comes to my mind….zoom lenses more…nikkor 14-24 2.8 etc.
So it will be interesting to see if sony comes out with even wider native fe mount lenses than the 28 and the 21 converter….maybe they made an 21 converter than not a real, separate lens because not it is only cheaper to produce, higher profit margins but it is also easier/faster to develop construct and maybe additionally wont lead to/ make the wide angle issues (haloing, some magenta or purple color cast along the edges, some softness or detail-smearing in the corners) of Sonys Fe Mount (so) visible which are unsolved so far…
One indication could be that the 21mm converter prevents you from these issues because its increases the lens width, the glass area of light transmission…so light can get more easier and wider into the camera/on the sensor…for better corner sharpness and less pronounce (may typical/specific) fe mount problems with wide angle lenses due to short flange distance and its simply not width enough/small diameter…
And also one major concern the off-axis issues have to do cover glass thickness and composition.
For one of the following zeiss loxia lenses (I guess 20, 24 or 25) will be a wide angle prime at least…but MF only….
Will be interesting if real, native proper fe mount (ultra) wide angle prime lenses with AF will follow from sony (some places on the Fe Mount roadmap are unspecified/unknown for 2016) and esp. if any of those will be wider than 21 mm…
For me one of the most interesting questions with regard to Sonys A series Fe Mount beside Sonys A9 of course 😉 that has to be answered….
I wanna add I think the last six open/unknown lens spots for 2016 beside the large aperture prime (guess 85 1.4 or 1.8)
1. One cheaper consumer tele zoom 70-300
2. One cheaper (ultra) wide angle zoom 10/12-20/24
3. One Super tele prime or zoom lens 300 f4/or 80-400 or 200-400
4. One portraiture lens a 105 or a resign of 135 1.8 AF for FE Mount at least hopefully both…105 AND 135 lens!!
5. A wide angle prime lens with AF 24 or 20 1.8 or 2
6. A special lens ….a longer macro lens or Tilt and shift lens or if the large aperture prime is an expensive 85 1.4 Zeiss as it is with the 35 1.4 Zeiss then a cheaper 85 2.0….hopefully not accoridng to the 35 case a 2.8…2.8 is not a large aperture..
And by the way Sony do not forget completely the flashes /your flash line….powerful RT-Flash for FE Mount like Canons EX-RT Speedlite 600 is missing too…;)
My 2cents…expectations and wishes 😉
But only time will tell…
You could be right….the mentioned lenses often exisiting already in A Mount could be easily transformed/redesigned only for FE Mount 2.0 and 2.8 primes, 135 1.8….would save costs…and that this could be a strategy or done at least with some primes….35 1.4 Zeiss is calling….will more follow the same way???
Only Sony knows it and could answer this….
Because the E mount was originally developed for APS. The flange is too short or the bayonet is too long (pick either) for full frame. This is a basic flaw that will haunt Sony until they come out with a mew mount, a good workaround or they finally quit making ambitious cameras, which they cannot. They could actually, but they lost touch after the A900.
“And the mount is too small to support IBIS” You forgot to include that troll talking point.
How am I a troll for wanting small lenses?
I don’t think he’s talking about you. I want small lenses too, but I’m fine with adapting so this current lineup doesn’t bother me too much.
You not a troll, but you are a moron.
True. Why troll? Do you work for Sony consumer electronics?
Your a troll because you’re just making up bull $hit talking points that are not grounded in reality. But keep going, it’s entertaining.
I see. Butthurt much? Try vaseline next time.
Let’s keep your personal issues out of this discussion. The fact that you’re gay and proud has nothing to do with it.
I would agree the E-mount was designed for APS-C, but they did make it large enough in diameter, including location of electrical contacts, for full frame. There is no flaw in the E-mount design. Not every focal length and optical design can benefit from the short registration distance but some can. Any F, EF, or A mount lens can be stuck straight onto a E-mount camera with no problems at all, just an extension tube. Zeiss is now showing that at least for some of their M-mount designs an excellent lens that works well with E-mount can also be built. The current issue with E-mount is old rangefinder lenses designed for use on short registration distance film cameras. The problem here is mostly to do with the difference in electronic sensors and film not the flange distance. It will be interesting to see if Zeiss can get some of their wider angle M-mount designs to work well on E-mount.
Because Physics.
Hej, just check the release dates for
Sony 28mm f/2.0 G: to ship in March 2015
24-240mm f/3.5-6.3 OSS: to ship in February 2015
According Video 🙂
If those FE lenses don`t get cheaper / faster it becomes a real problem for the e-mount system. I am planning to switch from Canon to Sonies e-mount cams since last year and thought the high prices were only a intermediate problem, but it looks like its part of the strategy or has technical causes. Currently, I tend to work more and more with natural light and under the current quality requirements and rarely use any lens slower than f 1.8, preferably f 1.4. However, the A7S still has the best low light performance on the market…will see this year where the train goes….
“relatively cheap and small, lightweight bodies” with full of features/innovations in order to get headlines e.g. “IBIS in FullFrame, Smallest Fullframe camera ever built/so far” and make them attractive for anyone, new buyers and also appealing to switchers from CaNikon) but high prices for lenses, flashes, accessories…..similar to printers….printers are cheap but the genuine ink is horrible expensive….Thats Sonys strategy with Sonys A Series /FE Mount….
There is nothing for free 😉 they need the money from one thing…..for R&D, marketing, to be successful on the long-term view at least etc…
Thats Sonys strategy with Sonys A Series /FE Mount….
I’m all manual at the moment and will stand by my manual gear once I upgrade to a9(all the more reason to with IBIS), I’ll probably get the 28/2 and the ultrawide converter but honestly I have no use for the rest of the native FE lenses. I believe that many are happy using their FE bodies as Leica M equivalents too.
So why wait for an A9?
How much is a Canon 35mm f1.4 L II? How about the 100mm f2.8 IS L macro? How about their 24-240mm IS lens (don’t think they have one)? How about their 28mm f2 (well they have their 28mm f1.8 which is a lens from the 80’s and isn’t very good at all)? Their 24-70mm f4 IS L is about the same price as the Zeiss, their new 16-35mm f4 IS L is about the same price as the Zeiss, 70-200mm f4 IS L is a bit cheaper than the G though. They have nothing that compares with the 55mm at all. Their one lens that is significantly cheaper is the 40mm f2.8 STM vs the Zeiss 35mm f2.8.
My favourite Lenses are the 85mm f 1.8 (about 300-400$), the 50mm 1.2 (about 1500) and the Tamron 24-70 / f 2.8 (about 1000). You can get for Canonikon a reasonable 50mm 1.8 for about 100 bucks. I cannot find enough equivalent options for the e-mount FF cams. Best bet for me right now are the Rokinon/Samyang lenses, buuuut obviously they are all manual. Don`t get me wrong. I do not want to complain pointlessly. I actually would like to switch.
85mm f1.8 is a rather old lens, I had it, it was ‘ok’ but not more. 50mm f1.2 is in the same ‘ok’ class really, Sigma 50mm art and Sony Zeiss (despite being slower) are a class above really (the Zeiss is cheaper though, I think if Canon ever made a 50mm f1.8 L it would be a similar price point to the Sony). The only thing similar between the Zeiss 55mm and the cheap 50mm’s are they are both f1.8… that is exactly where the similarities end. The Tamron… Well like most all third party lenses they offer a lot of bang for buck, you could of course just buy this lens in Sony Alpha mount, but it kind of defeats the point. I haven’t used the USD Tamron, but I have owned and used the Canon 24-70mm f2.8 L (not II) and Nikon 24-70mm f2.8G AF-S and my little Zeiss 24-70mm was better than both of them and not by a little bit either (try one for yourself, forget reviews on initial samples never to be tested again).
I tend to agree with Shoota. MdB – you are talking about high end costly lenses – and you are right on all your points about those. But Shoota is saying the FE-mount needs a cheap 50 – like all other systems have. And I agree. It does. That Nikon/Canon 50 may not be top notch in IQ, but they are $100 bucks – and get you to f/1.8 if you really need it. And they are really not terrible optically either. I am not saying Sony needs to produce a $100 50, but at least give us the option of a $300 50.
This is one big consideration when switching systems. Yeah, Sony is selling the A7X bodies cheap – but how much will it cost you to get some primes on that body. With CaNikon – not much. You can get a handful of primes for not a lot. They may not be Zeiss quality – but you don’t always need Zeiss quality.
Does anyone know about the macro 90mm .. wheter it works in manual mode with focus by wire or actual manual focus?
CDAF lenses don’t use focus helicoids like traditional PDAF and manual lenses. The focus ring with distance scale will be essentially ‘mapped’ to move the elements to the correct distance. So it is focus by wire still, but will behave more like MF. In fact it can do some neat tricks that traditional lenses can’t do. It WILL however have the more natural action of movement in terms of accelerating and rotational speed that is sorely lacking in many FBW systems.
That macro needs to be really good Since the Tamron for other systems costs about 490 euros and it’s very good lens.
yup i agree….the tamron is stellar for its price like sigmas art series…35 1.4 art vs. the upcoming zeiss 35 1.4….will be the same question the zeiss has to be much better than the sigma….tough one.. to outperform…but i m excited maybe the zeiss will get it done….
Does the Tamron stop people buying Canon and Nikon macros? Why does everyone compare 3rd party prices with OEMs? I am sure it is a good lens, as many modern 3rd party lenses are. If you want to use the Tamron with a Sony… Buy the Tamron for Sony. It is really that simple.
It is a good lens but, it depends on what type of macro photography one does. Many macro photographers prefer a longer focal length for macro photography 150mm-180mm. for small living things to not be as physically close. F2.8 is very wide aperture to shoot macro photography as well. Many people use 90mm for video, because many are stabilized, and for portraits…
does the Tamron have E-mount and OSS?
If using it on an adapter, you don’t have AF and you have to focus open and stop down manually!
Shooting macro like this in the field is a mess!
I would save a bit more money and buy the Zeiss Makro-Planar 2/100 ZE with a Metabone adapter, you get get automatic aperture and a precise manual focus and the exceptional f/2!!
here are my images with this lens on A7R:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dierktopp/sets/72157648269906615/
“If using it on an adapter, you don’t have AF” – ever heard of Sony’s A-mount adapters?
“does the Tamron have E-mount and OSS?” – it’s a macro lens…
“here are my images with this lens on A7R:” – none of them got any relevance to anything we discuss. Also: Wow, no AF and no OSS? How did you manage to make a photographs with that?!
do suggest to buy an adapter for 250€ in order to adapt an old Tamron lens for 490€ = 740€ with vignetting in the corners instead of buying a new developed native E-mount lens for 999€ ??
Zeiss AF 35/1.4 (AF motor) still smaller than Samyang MF 35/1.4, how could that be possible…
I see this rumor … every day …without big improvemenets,
what about new cammeras?
Curved sensor super compact 42mm equivalent fixed lens Medium Format camera with optimized image quality above that of ALL present medium format digital camera options at that focal length and aperture speed with a reasonable price: please Sony XD
at least 7 lenses expected to comes by 2015
‘kay.
expected…:D
Oh, wow… Sony has prototypes, now they only have to make them, lel
remind you, even if produce, don t buy. Will land u in photographic reeeducation institution…
Is this how Canon gets people to spend $1800 for their POS 7DM2? LOL
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_EOS_7D_Mark_II/
You are right, is Piece of Superiority. SMASH! Sony wobble cams!
The 7D2 is for those who need it. If you don’t know why you need it, you don’t need it. Play on with your telephone.
Camera Labs has released its review of the Canon 7D Mark II:
http://www.cameralabs.com/revi…
Some highlights:
* Lest we forget, the 7D Mark II comes five years after the original model. If the Mark II already looks old fashioned in 2015, how’s it going to look in 2020 (based on a 5 year upgrade cycle) ?
* If you’re a dedicated sports or wildlife shooter, it should be near or even at the top of your list at this price point.
* And if you’re an action shooter who fancies a different approach, it’s well worth trying out Sony’s SLT-A77 II as well.
* Even the core highlights of decent AF and fast continuous shooting are already rivaled or out-gunned (in some respects) by cheaper models, including Sony’s SLT-A77 II and A6000.
* But if you’re after a camera for landscape, architecture or more general-use, I honestly think you’ll be better-served by one of the many high-end mirrorless options.
* There’s no 4k video, no 1080p slow motion, no truly silent shooting nor electronic shutter above 1/8000, no focus peaking and no sensor-shift stabilization.
So it would have been awesome 2 years ago when it should have been released in other words?
He was being kind, no mention on how bad the sensor sucks compared to the competition.
Need? Ha! Camera companies would be out of business if they only sell to those who need.
What about cameras to be announced? Any news on the A9 or 99II?
A99 II…good one 😀 !
Yes
the lens are indeed too big. Defeats the purpose of small camera body. To me, those who prefer to use zoom lens, might consider taking up dslr. Whereas, who prefer a smaller camera body, may opt for prime lens. I think there is a need for Sony to strike a balance between 1) weight/ building material 2)how fast is the lens/small camera body. And cost of the lens as well.
to strike a balance between weight of the lens and the small camera body, a 35mm f1.8 seems to be a better option. Cost less as well.
Use whatever you want and stop complaining about it. WTF
Sounds like you want Pentax Q.
what about RX2?
35 1.4- To expensive. Competition has just as good cheaper alternatives. Weather sealed?
28mm- Not wide enough.
90mm 2.8- Nothing to say here. Either you want it or you want it. Never use AF for macro so I’ll stick with the hundreds less Minolta 100mm 2.8.
24-240- Ok, you got my attention. Not on the price or speed, but I’m interested.
85mm 1.4 and 135mm F2?????????
why are you whining so much
you have 3x 35mm lenses to choose from, loxia, zeiss 35mm 2.8 and now this 35mm 1.4, you can also ad the 28mm to that as its only a touch wider.
85mm, 135mm, 15mm, 17mm…. ??? ITS A NEW CAMERA SYSTEM, JUST BE PATIENT OR MOVE TO ANOTHER SYSTEM
(or use your current lenses via the free adaptor sony gave with your a7 camera)
All three 35mm are overpriced. I don’t want an adaptor on my A7. I’m already using my A7 with current lenses. It’s fine for vintage stuff, but I don’t really care with a huge honking piece of glass on the end of it. 15mm and 17mm should have been covered already with a native option. COME ON- the weakest link here is UWA.
It’s called the FE 16-35mm/4 OSS
To slow.
For what?
To slow for my liking. Event low light photography and guess what….wide and extremely wide angle is becoming more popular. F4 gimps me out. 2.8 is divine….just saying.
Buy a fucking A7S !
To expensive. I have to many cameras as it is. I get your thinking though!
EXACTLY.
How about some affordable lenses also Sony? There are mostly or over 50% Zeiss branded lenses – and the rest G branded – Canon has general lenses and then L – the Canon 50mm F1.8 is $125 – the Sony FE 55mm F1.8 (Zeiss branded) is $1000 and the only 50/55mm F1.8 !! the Canon EF 50mm F1.4 USM is $400 the Zeiss 50mm F1.4 for Canon is $725 – the Canon EF 50mm F1.2 USM L glass is $1500 – and there are no F2.8 zoom lenses – there is no F1.4 prime – and it seems like that what ever lens they come out with is $1000 plus – except kit lens 🙂
There are many Sony customers that are very frustrated over lack of lenses for E and FE mount lenses – the E APS-C mount has been out for quite a few years now – and still no 24-70 F2.8 and yes Samsung have theirs and Fuji have theirs !! seems like the E/FE mounts will never seen anything faster in a Zoom then a F4.0 – and nothing but G and Zeiss branding’s to keep cost high – I have a feeling that Samsung will be developing some new bodies and lenses that are really worth paying attention to – yes Fuji glass is very costly – but at least they have more lenses – which is odd as they have not been around APS-C any longer then Sony – except Sony has put all their effort in pumping out endless bodies – nex5,ne5n,nectar.nex5t etc etc
I am OK with an f/4 zoom – I mean the high ISO on the bodies today is amazing. But the price if the f/4 zoom from sony is ridiculous if you compare to other systems. Canon has a 24-105 f/4 zoom for $600.
I guess this is part of the deal when you buy into the FE system. Bodies are pretty price competitive. But lenses – you will pay for those babies. They are good – yes. But other systems have lenses equally as good for less $$.
Totally agree Sony sticks the Zeiss logo to charge top price in a way to make up for a reasonable price on their bodies and have kept very limited lenses available so we have no other choice than by their Zeiss logo branded. Lenses.
It isn’t about the amount of lenses but rather the price range that the release lenses are in. The current lenses are all priced as premium lenses yet the FE bodies are priced at the absolute lowest end possible.
It’s also about price/performance where both Canon and Nikon has lenses that are priced around the middle but still offers great performance for the price. There is yet to be such an option for the Sony FE mount (the E-mount got it since it has the Sigma 30 and 19 which really tick the price/performance box).
Except the 55mm 1.8 is one of the best rated auto focus lenses ever made. I have one and its insanely good. Its easily worth the money. And to be honest its not even that expensive. Check Leica’s 50mm’s, Leica 50mm F2 $2,350.
Still not a single super-tele or ultra-wide angle in sight. Disappointed.
Did people forgot that your could just buy an apadter and use any other lens? You don’t have to use Sony lens.
Most lenses don’t work that well unfortunately. Due to the rear nodal point being in the wrong place
Will there be a 15/2.8 Zeiss Badge?
How about a 11 or 13 mm e-mount?? A fullframe pancake would really amplify the advantages of size & weight of a Alpha 7 and make it a USP.