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I got two feedbacks from trusted sources about the A6000 successor (also rumored to be named “A7000”).
Source 1 told me the camera has been delayed and Sony did not say when they will launch it yet.
Source 2 actually had the chance to see the cam and said there was at least one big bug with 4K recording. The camera software kept crashing all the time.
They will let me know as soon as Sony will have a new launch timeframe. UPDATE: It’s important to remind you that there is a scheduled E-mount announcement event in May! Likely for the A7rII but I hope the A7000 will make it by then!
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It was April’s Fool – YESTERDAY 😀
The thing that Panasonic got right in the GH3 and 4 was heat dispersion. The camera doesn’t overheat. It has no record limit, can do 4K internally and hopefully at NAB they offer some updates. The concept of an A7s 2 with internal 4K, crazy lowlight and internal stabilisation and A7 2 design is my idea of a perfect run-and-gun sneaky doccie cam. Some people want RAW HDMI out which would be amazing but I don’t need it, and an easier out of the box colour to grade would be nice as well eg. NX1, Canon but again but I always correct and grade anyway. Wish it was coming at NAB but for the moment I’m happy with my GH3. Been considering the NX1 (Half the price of the Sony here) but lets hope that pushes Sony to do some incredible things.
It’s probably a little bit more difficult to engineer a cooling mechanism for a full frame sensor. That being said, if Sony goes to a larger camera size to provide 4k video in camera, an A99 sized full frame 4K (internal) camera would not be so bad. Then again, there will be complaints. Every camera design is a set of compromises. I would actually like Sony to either redesign or improve the manufacturing of their 16-70 APS-C and 24-70 full frame E mount lenses at this point. The inconsistency on those products, at least from what I have read, needs to be addressed. In the meantime, Sony has some really nice E mount 4K video cameras already out in the market. They do have products that people can use for 4K recording. They’re catered to professionals and semi pros, but they are out there.
2 things also for Panasonic :
– A sensor almost 2 times smaller than an APSC and almost 4 times smaller than a FF (size wise).
– a bigger body than the Sony bodies (A6000 and A7, for example : Panasonic Lumix DMC GH4 is 37% (22.3 mm) thicker than Sony A7 II).
It’s all about physics.
I think the problem is the Codec. Pany made internal 4K in the LX100 which is tiny and has little room for heat dissipation. They just have a far more efficient Codec and good hardware encoding chips. Sony should be able to learn something from those two things.
GoPro and several smartphones does internal 4K too, and a not very pretty one. I sincerely hope that when and if Sony implements internal 4K in, let’s say A7S MkII or A7000, it will be with a robust codec and a beefy bitrate. 4K without this is pretty much useless for serious video work.
I Have Sony Z3 compact, it’s also have 4K video, you know, you need to process a lot of data (Z3C overheating in like 15+ minutes), so you need power there =( ether way, there always will be issue with battery or heat, right now it’s hard to challenge this @ least they will need new processor + sensor.
Well, you can always get shitty quality video in 4K, just take regular 2K and resize 🙂 But I think, the main problem is processor, coz normally they don’t use coding in cameras, just raw video file
Again: what is the size of the GoPro and smartphone sensor?
Those are 1/2.3″ sensors bro…
Oh gee doc, I didn’t know that. Well try reading my comment again. It had nothing to do with sensor size in it. I was merely examplifying a couple of cheap units that has that magic internal 4K, and that they were not very good at delivering the quality needed for proper 4K. And read my last sentence a couple of extra times. Without a proper codec and bandwidth, internal 4K is just marketing BS.
Again: what is the size of the LX100 sensor?
As for the body, the LX100 is about the same size as an A6000, but with a smaller sensor which will produce “logically” less heat.
All the manufacturers have had that problem at the beginning… and the a7000 probably is a really compact camera.
Anyway, this is my (near?) future camera!!
Software kept crushing? That’s not a bug, that’s a feature! And quite an innovative one, I’d say!
The camera must have improved face detection then.
Keep crushing is the feature from microsoft.
The blue screen of death in the live view.
Excellent, the delay will give Sony time to release some nice new fast primes for APS-C E-Mount.
Ok, I will be honest to you. There is no real santa claus. Sad, but true. The santa claus you know is actually your daddy, your uncle or your neighbour wearing a mask and a red coat. Sorry for destroying your dreams, I’m feeling bad.
I know where you live and what you fear. My gang of murderer reindeer also know it. Having a dead brain or locking your door won’t help you…
so you think that making camera bodies slows down the lens department?
I would think so. Very likely they share a lot of resources. For example marketing, tech writers, translators, release managers, various other things like – supply chain management, manufacturing, logistics, training etc. So yes shipping more cameras does detract lens efforts. The only place where these two would differ somewhat is the R&D people and even that may not be so distant as we think. Lenses are full of electronics and software so very likely they share these teams too. Last new cameras get FW updates for new lenses, so new lens release is contingent upon camera FW update.
Admin, did source 2 indicate that the camera was overheating? It seems that source 2 reported a software bug, something that can be fixed. Did source 1, who from the way you wrote the headline, report the heat issue? I am not clear whether source 1 actually even saw the camera or is reporting hearsay.
As I understand it, no source said anything about overheating. The assumption “seems because of 4K heat issues” in the title is from the admin itself.
I think that Andrea is guessing that the problem was overheating because Sony had an overheating problem when they introduced video on the first SLT, the A55.
This is the Nex-7n delay story reprinted from March 2013 ;-p
Delay = April’s Fool yesterday? but no it’s NOT a joke, the truth is that these are all excuses to keep people to continue to believe in Sony, while Sony has abandon for a very long time now already the Amount AND Emount APS-C camera’s, ONLY FF, what must one do now ?? Sony will never admit this, but the facts are here already for a long time, not many want to see them, am I to critical, not at all, you just have to admit these fact’s to yourself, To @admin, please do not delete this because it’s just constructive criticism, I hope that Sony go 180° the other way = APS-C again, many people dont even have the budget for FF, it has been neglect for to long by Sony.
These are rumors. We don’t really know what’s going on. Conjecture is good, but it’s also good to not take them too seriously.
There’s a point here, to much attention to FF, all other things are on hold.
I don’t see it that way. The full frame lenses are perfectly usable on APS-C. The 70-200 f4 works well with the APS-C cameras – it’s not that heavy, the optical quality is great. The new 28mm f2 seems like a good lens as well (and they added support for it to the A6000).
what are you talking about ? the a6000 a5100 a5000 have only been out for about a year.
Never let facts get in the way of a paranoid rant.
You never shut up, do you?
And you are? I’ve never seen you here before.
Every single year the Nex 5 has been updated… 5, 5n, 5r, 5t, a5000. Exactly the same with Nex 3 (the last one was a5000).
sorry… 5, 5n, 5r, 5t, a5100
I run the Lapland division of Sony cameras.
I can confirm (SR5) that your site just reposts tenuous rumors from japanese blogs, and news purely from your imagination, in order to generate clicks to your site.
This is SR5. I heard it from a top source so it must be true.
april 1 was yesterday.
i believe in santa!
Yawn..
You don’t seem to understand what I’m saying. I heard this from a top source! at Sony. A TOP SOURCE!
(SR5)
It is true.
While people complain about the state of Sony’s APS-C lineup, here is an interesting article:
http://sonymirrorlesspro.com/a6000-review/
This is relatively new website and a great resource for Sony shooters.
Why 4k sony make a 2k 8mp APSC (perfect for lowlight photos) with video slog 1080p (raw video and prores 422) and all people would be happy
I wouldn’t be happy.
I wouldn’t be happy, too
All I’d like the A6xxx/A7000 to have is the reinforced mount from the A7 II. The FE 70-200 feels a lot more sturdy and well supported on it compared to the A7, so I hope this mount is now standard, especially in the higher end APS-C and FF cameras.
Sony update A6000 firmware with XAVCS 50M GOOO!
The A6000 with a XAVCS 50M or better add another 50M with a simple code line in firmware. 100M XAVCS 1080p S-LOG would be ours dream! SONY GO
Sony keeps pushing back release dates on thier new camera…probably to accomadate 4k and who knows what other gadjets that I will never use.
Many of us, like myself, simply want to take very high quality still pictures and have no use for features that are not necessary for that..
High res, fast AF etc are important.
So Sony should release a top notch still camera while they are trying to clean up the bugs that plague the unnecessary bells and whistles.
One camera does not need to be right for everyone, nor should it be.
Though… they already have a high-res APS camera with fast AF (the A6K) so really, no need to rush the A7K. They should take their time and do it right.
Unfortunately you and me are hardly the target audience of this camera. These cameras are bought by a lot by first time hobbyists having lots of money and they don’t know one camera from another. However most of them would have heard of 4k video so its in Sony’s best interest that they too should offer it since Samsung now have it in their cameras.
Well, maybe you want a good stills camera like the 5D Mk 3 or Nikon 810, where the manufacturers don’t mess with things like video because there is no market for it… oh, hang on!
Thats the differrence between Sony and a real cameramakers like Canon or Nikon.
They actually care about thier customers and make products for the differrent needs of differrent photographers, and make them all work together.
Sony wants to build just the few products that will appeal to the most people and ignore users that do not fit Sony’s preconceived notion of what every photographer should need.
Canikon does everything for the individual customer and not what the majority wants. Their special strong point is mirrorless.
I suppose that is why many of us are here and not with Canikon. I just want an affordable camera with affordable glass and good AF (to take pictures of our beasts)
What the hell are you talking about? Sony released the A7 as an all around camera, the A7r as a high resolution camera geared towards landscape and studio work and an A7s as a low light champ & video capabilities. And you say they don’t make cameras for different needs of different photographers?
Stop being selfish. Sony does not cater to your individual needs.
One camera does not need to be right for everyone, maybe, but it is better that one camera is right for as many people as possible. The days of still only cameras and cameras without “gadjets”, as you call them, are long gone.
This is the 21st century – please join it.
I am a 40+ year user of Minolta and Sony..I want a camera that takes better pictures…if Sony can’t. Cater to those needs then what the hell use are they?
I am a 40+ year Minolta, Sony user and want to take better still pictures.
If Sony can’t cater to those needs what use are they.
Perhaps it would make more sence for them to cater exclusively to BrianM needs instead.
Define “better still pictures”.
shooting pictures we already shot yesterday but now with more resolution, faster autofocus, higher frame rate…
without noticing that nothing has changed or will change…:D
I haven’t seen any release dates… Because Sony didn’t announce them, did they?
These are “SAR probable maybe future expected” announcements.
+1
Fair point. But I guess there are plenty of paying customers, who are actually not that much interested in photography. Instead, they are interested in cameras and their specs. Many of them screaming for internal 4k and call this and other modern features a must for any new camera release. An impressing list of specs is still the best selling point. Otherwise, no sane manufacturer would release cameras with 4k at 15fps (e.g. Nikon 1 J5), which sounds cool (oh 4k), but is totally useless.
Think of it as a pocket camera with 8 megapixel 15fps stills with no buffer. I’m not buying one, but 4K photo is a spray and pray grand slam. Again, not advocating, but it might have some use. Of course, photo and video shutter speeds are quite different, so its one or the other
Agreed. It took me a long time to let go of the “one camera to rule them all” model and embrace niche cameras for specific use cases. And I’ve been an obsessive enthusiast for a long time. So I understand that most people expect a camera to do everything. But i agree with you. I’d love a camera that gets all of the photo part perfect, even at the expense of the latest and greatest video features.
Given Sony’s video prowess, I don’t see them letting video slip, however. And while video features should have absolutely no impact on a camera’s stills capability, it surely splits the development team’s focus and allows bugs and missed opportunities to slip in.
Could not agree more! I don’t want video – or tie-ins to smartphones – or more ‘photo sharing’ features. I want a small, light, highly functional camera. Apparently that makes us dinosaurs. But hear us roar!
Sony keeps pushing back release dates ???
They just following their schedule.
SAR is the one, who make excuse for their wrong prediction.
So true. Sony didn’t give any release date nor any announcement of a new camera coming. Yet people complaint about their camera release being postponed…
I assume, all this rumors on products kill a significant amount of Sony’s imaging business. Potential customers wait for products that will not come or are not on the way, yet. Consequence is shrinking sales, by that reduced development budget, leading to further delays in virtual roadmaps generated on rumors sites. All this is resulting in dissatisfaction and further reduction of sales and new non-fullfiling rumours.
I think just the opposite – that the ‘buzz’ and ‘excitement’ that rumors offer help to keep people interested, and build confidence, in the system.
In my case I’m very interested in the A7000 – but that didn’t stop me from purchasing the A6000. I’m sure the same is true of the i-Phone – I bet there’s a group of people who like to speculate and discuss what the next version will have – but that doesn’t stop them from owning the current version.
You talk like Sony can and should do something about it. What are you saying, Sony should sue all rumour sites?
Weather sealing and a small body is a challenge for any camera manufactorer re. overheating.
I’m not a technican, but I seriously doubt, that weather sealing worsen overheating issues.
Yes, it has a smaller sensor, but the GH4 has both weather sealing and 4K, as does the Samsung, I believe
I’m not a technician, but if you make a metal body that consists of several plates and you put silicon between these plates to weather seal the camera, then you also cut the flow of heat between the plates. Unibody design should fix this problem (if the problem ever existed).
What is the point in coming on here fore rumours….there are no rumours.
The admin on here is just trickling you with rubbish to keep you coming back.
Admin will find out about a Sony release…the same time as everybody else!
As you obviously new to the world of rumor sites, I’ll explain it to you. Like any other rumor site, this site is a mix of rumors, intersting news, company announcements and advertising like hot deals to keep the site runnung. It’s called news aggregation. Some say this is superflous, some like it. So feel free to go to the company site by yourself, but there is really no need to complain about news posts (that can also be found elsewere) on a rumor site.
If you don’t know what’s the point of coming here, feel free to not coming here.
Cheers!
And last not least the chatter of the arm chair experts loving and hating the Sony..
LOL. True.
Arm chair experts are my favorite part. Really.
And smart companies listen to their customers. Even when we’re unreasonable and more than a little emotional.
Then don’t log onto the site if there is no point in it for you.
You are right.
The admin is a phony.
As a former NEX7 owner who experience the overheating sensor shut down after 7 minutes of continuous shooting, I’m glad they’re working through the issue and have not released the camera. I’m hoping it will be awesome when they do.
Nice dream.
Okay, I’ll concede that the list is pure fantasy for the A9. But for an APSC A7000, it seems entirely within reach. Is there anything on there that isn’t within the realm of possibility for a next generation model?
(other than a $500 price)
Canon 7Dii like weather sealing in a in a $1000 camera is not within reach. Changing their RAW format is technically no problem, but it will not happen.
When tooling up for something that will be as mass produced as this camera will be, I’d imagine that the actual cost of weather sealing is pretty low, and the added effort gets leveled by the scale too. It seems like more of a market positioning decision (save that check box for the more expensive models) than a technical or cost factor. It would be very aggressive, for sure. But that also seems to be Sony’s game right now: Super aggressive pricing on feature rich bodies, then make up the money on the glass. “Give away the razor, sell the blades.” At least that’s my perception.
But weather sealing makes little sense if there are no sealed lenses to attach, so I can see that feature not happening.
Haha – and if there is no weather sealead body it makes no sense to produce weather sealed lenses.
I’d love it if every camera and lens were weather sealed. But are any of the E mount lenses sealed? And are they still aggressively building out the lineup? It seems like focus is on FE. Maybe they see weather sealing as “pro,” and are treating the A6000 as consumer, even though it seems pretty pro capable.
I don’t understand the RAW problem at all. It seems like a choice by Sony, not a bug. I looked at Anton’s site, read Ming Thein’s take and saw some great examples of the issues on DPReview. What benefit is there in compromising IQ unnecessarily in “Raw?” Small files are what JPG is for. So odd.
It may very well be a “choice” by Sony.
1. The Sony engine can’t maintain FPS without clipping file size.
2. Maybe an agreement with Nikon (that they sell sensors to) that restricts them from delivering 14 bit files.
3. Some other contractual, or engineering limitations or restrictions ?
Bottom line 11+7 bit is the best Sony delivers and it’s not adequate for professional use.
I don’t think they’d make a deal with Nikon that prohibits them from doing anything. But your fps theory could be true. Still, why not make it a mode? People buy FF for the IQ.
You’d be shocked at what people will agree to (or sometimes overlook) in contracts during negotiations.
Then don’t use Sony for professional use. Most of us are not pros anyway.
The Sony ARW file is very much like a 2nd or 3rd iteration of a JPEG file.
Of all the things mentioned by you I feel 24 Megapixels is the only one that is likely to happen.
I am hoping for a better EVF as well and a metal mount too.
And yes hope they fix the bloody lossy RAW. Add an option of lossy RAW and keep a lossless RAW option too.
The other things are highly unlikely in my opinion.
I bet you are wrong.
Everything you mentioned is just quality improvment. It’s not a selling point.
Sony will very likey add some of the other things.
Well if Sony does something impressive I will be most happy to be proven wrong. However seeing how the A7 II improved on the original A7 I fear I may be right.
At least Sony seems to put 4k in the camera, a very big plus for some people like me.
It’s clear, Sony needs another year to bring Nex-7 successor (if Sony ever wanted it to bring), easier for me to go for Fuji X-T1 or coming X-Pro2. Adieu “high end” A7000 ended story!
Sony released the NEX-7 successor over a year ago… it’s called the A7.
Did you eat grass?
I would explain to you why Sony see the A7 as the NEX-7 successor, but you’d still disagree with me, so I won’t bother.
Fuji market share only 6-7% far from Sony 34% market share.
Are you need APS-C camera price $1500 ??
Sony should learn from Panasonic. Design around cooling. Not looks first .
LOL. That explains the GH4’s looks. But it has a great personality
Like they’ve done with PlayStation? Microsoft was the one which designed the looks first and ended up with heat issues. I think Sony knows its way around electronics.
Hope Sony will bring touch screen 🙂
Weather sealing would be nice
Solution… release stills cameras without all the video bloat.
Brilliant……………….
So smart! But honestly, that would result in cameras most customers wouldn’t buy, even if they never use the video feature. And THAT would be really stupid.
Regular 1920×1080 would be enough
Enough for you and me perhaps but many potential customers will look for features like 4k even if they shoot videos of parties only.
The only reason I like 4k, is, that as a side effect it results in clean 1080p without nasty moire.
Except Sony is also in the business of trying to push their 4k TVs… so how much sense would it make to a consumer if the company pushing 4k TVs isn’t confident enough in it to have 4k on their recording equipment? Not to mention alot of people will only get real full 4k if they have shot it themselves because it will be quite a while until cable companies provide 4k and streaming is going to cause people to start hitting their download limits.
If Sony’s video quality wasn’t as good as it is, I’d agree. But it is. So I won’t. :p
That’s what Fuji is doing. Sort of. 😉
@stflbn:
The horizon of people thinking like that is a circle with zero radius. They call it point of view.
What bloat? Video is a requirement to feed the LCD/EVF. You want the ability to save the video feature removed for no gain whatsoever?
enough with the heat issue nonsense, the XAVC-S codec efficient enough to work in an actioncam let alone a normal camera
Partly the heat in the processing pipeline, but the problem is also down to the sensor size – bigger sensor more heat.
Lets play a bet-game (there were rumors, up to you what to believe, what not):
1. the name of this camera
2. list price (body only / with kit lens)
3. the list with improved features, you expect (over A6000 and/or NEX7):
4. a wish-list with features you want to have, but don’t expect in this model:
1. A7000
2.
– body: 1099€ / 1099$
– kit: 1249€ / 1299$
3.
– internal 4K video / codecs: h265, XAVS, AVCHD, MP4, +SLOG-2
– 3 axis IBIS
– EVF as fast as XT-1
– microphone-jack
– USB 3.0
– 250..400 PDAFs, covering 81% of sensor (but A77ii still faster)
– 12 fps
– less ISO-noise than A6000 / NEX7
4.
– BSI – CMOS (as Samsung NX)
– lossless RAW
– silent shutter
– deeper grip (same as A7ii vs A7)
– bigger trippod-mount surface at the bottom
oh gosh…. please stop that mic jack complain, 99% people don’t use it and there exists an adaptor. if you need larger camera for tripod, why don’t you just use A77II?
Don’t understand your question, but well –
1st of all, it was not on the wish-list, but on the expected list
2nd: On my current NEX I really miss this jack (I am filming with SEL18200)
3rd: Sony Adapter mic is overpriced compared to its quality
4th: I invest in EMount stuff, not in A mount at all, and I don’t want to spend $1000 for A77ii + ~???$ for a lens.
5th: it exists in NEX7 already – in NEX7-successor I expect to have it, too
why don’t you use E-mount videocam then?
1. Its big
2. its a 2nd device – making my package even bigger
Well, you asked for a bigger camera, didn’t you?
What about users who want small camera?
You don’t want a small camera, you are just trolling.
I asked for an audio jack.
NEX7 has it, A6000 not.
A6000 is a little bigger.
isn’t NEX7 about 50 grams heavier than 6000?
if you measure NEX7 with battery and A6000 without – yes
yes, I think so to. Keep it small. So no extra jacks.
Hot news?
If they have bugs with the 4K software its most likely newly written. Hopefully even higher bit-rate or new better codecs.
So let me get this right… one of these trusted sources has SEEN the camera, but won’t tell you if it’s called A6100 or A7000? smh
Doesn’t sound so strange to me: test devices certainly aren’t as refined as the final product, so it’s really possible that there was no name on it 🙂
Or the admin is making it up 😉
Clearly Admin is making it up. They don’t send out test devices without first doing in house testing, and a complete meltdown is something they would have discovered before field tests.
Furthermore, during development process, that product often has only an internal name. Often even product-developers use either the internal name of they are speaking of the expceted name (A6100 / A7000 like here in the rumors site).
It may happen, that marketing decides, to change the name before production and official announcment.
Call me cynical, but I tend to use Occam’s Razor. What’s more probable, what you said, or that the admin made it up to encourage traffic on this site?
What he said actually is more probable. You are uninformed.
It what Universe?
I am a software developer, have been working for several big electronic companies. It’s my own experience with product names and I think Sony is not very different.
I was referring to his ability to calculate probabilities. 😉
“Call me cynical, but I tend to use Occam’s Razor”
Said no Sony mirrorless user ever.
Thank you. This is one of the funniest things I’ve ever read….
or the source made it up to get attention…
You will never know.
Indeed.
Remember Android 4.4?
Lots of rumors of Key Lime Pie being the codename. At the last minute, it was announced as KitKat.
Once AOSP source was published, there was evidence throughout the commit history that it was KLP internally until nearly the day it was formally announced as KitKat.
Uhhmmmm…. no – 4.3 was Jelly Bean.
so 4.4 had either to be also Jelly Bean, or has to start with K.
All Android-Versions are sweets, alphabetically sorted.
Please tell me about this crazy alternate reality you live in where “Key Lime Pie” and “KitKat” do not start with the letter K
uups – stupid me. (was focus on Lime)
You should think through before you write….
My a7000 wish list:
1) That it turns into an A99II
You want a A99 with crop sensor???
LOOOOOL
These A-mount comments are irritating now
Pffft
Here is my ideal camera…if it is not your idea of an ideal camera…too bad.
78mp ff
No low pass filter
ISO 12,500
Burst rate 5 fps
IBIS
Super fast tracking autofocus
2 gigabite buffer.
Optimised for still pictures ..so LEAVE OUT gadjets like…video, gps, wi fi, or anything that does not directly translate to better still pictures.
It does not need to be compact! So make it big enough so cooling is not a problem.
If it is E mount then new updated LAEA4 adapter and some kind of adapter that will fast autofocus with Canon and Nikon lenses.
Price?
Charge what they need to to make it right…..Im sure they will be competitive with Canikon.
They could build a second stripped down economy version with the same basic specs but no weather sealing , fewer controls etc for those that want the same quality pictures but want to pay less or have a smaller body.
Most people buy zoom lenses because they do more stuff…but many people are willing to pay top dollar for prime lenses because they do one thing well.
I own more than one camera, and I always carry at least 2 or 3 bodies when shooting.
There is absolutely no reason for all my cameras to do everything…one of my cameras should take the best possible still pictures and nothing else.
Moving on from the 50mp Canon camera that you weren’t going to get already?
Wait for 5DS-R:
– fast with canon-lens
– needs not to be small
– why IBIS, use IS from lens, even if lens gets bigger and heavier 🙂
Maybe in 2025 you could see this camera coming true….
Sony…based on the most reliable rumors at that time…actually tested an 80mp..approximately. ..sensor on an A99 prototype.
So Sony does have a 78 mp-ish sensor available if they choose to use it.
What on earth are you talking about?
SAR rumors prior to a99 release dascribed sightings of. A photographer in the field testing a 50 and 80 mp Sony prototype.
I was also told by low level Sony tech reps that Sony has many high res sensors available that they do not currently plan to manufacture.
And sprinkles and magic dust!
ROFL
Guarantee no shutter shock showing up in those 78mp images and I’ll join you
78 mp? I love new sensor tech but 78mp? I guess you could take hand held giga pixel shots or do a Bladerunner type effect whenever you want 😀
Spontaneously combusting cameras. Sony’s not the first to innovate along these lines.
Where is the A99 replacement?
It will come two month later.
IF it does not come, it must be Sony delay it. 😛
So exactly nothing on this site ever comes true unless the rumour is posted on Monday and the camera is announced on Tuesday. Even when they had information about the A7s about a month before its release they said that it was “probably just a silver A7” So clearly there are no “sources” and the constant “working on rumours” post actually means searching on the internet for vague possibilities. The word for such a site is click bait. Still lots of fun though
If you had fun then its worth it 😉
Oh come on – how is it any reflection on Andrea that the internal launch date of an unannounced camera is delayed? If you want Sony Alpha facts, you’re on the wrong site…
Oh man please let it have silent or very quiet shutter. 24mp cropping power, a6000 AF with silent shutter would make an awesome street camera.
They keep trying to shove all their biggest innovations into their tiniest cameras and then can’t make the heat dissipation work and wind up with either crippled or delayed 4k. Why can’t they just stick an a7s type sensor into an a99 sized body?
4K on APS-C high end camera??? Why not but if it turning the camera insto a heating central, let’s give up. We want a digital camera not a 4K camcorder;).. Canikon don’t give a &$mn of 4K from Samsung NX series, so why should Sony cares about it when they already have a Camcorder branch for 4K recording
I don’t know what “We” want, but I want everything in a small package.
If you don’t want to, feel free to buy a used A900
lol you wont have everything in a small package( if they postpon release, it s because they are ,not able to have stable 4K recording), they will remove something very interesting to get a 4K recording in cool conditions… better remove 4K features and get a greater camera
tell me one feature that solves 4K heating problem, if it is removed. (except 4K recording itself)
compactness with all the features we could have except 4K recording
I asked for ONE feature, not for bla bla
you serious? 4K recording is a heating issue on a compact camera? What do you suggest to add a fan to cool the system? to develop a new algorithm or change the chip by a more powerful one? Sony talk like they have done their camera yet and notice 4K issue. In my opinion, they may give up 4K recording on their product or postpon half a year and change the chip by a more powerful one to not have heating issue
still.. name ONE feature to be removed that solves the 4K heating problem.
Btw: GoPro Hero 3 has 4K recording and is way more compact.
I dont know but they will surely remove something to get free space and cool easier the future A7000 if they dont increase the size.
I do want 4K too to piss off Samsung NX1 owners but not in half a year to get a fully functional 4K recording…
Maybe i m wrong and they work on it since a few months and only talk about that delay right now
Yes – but again: What cool thing can be removed to get space for extra cooling?
Something like a piece of software-code?
ok then IYHO what they can do to solve the 4K heating issue in a few weeks ?
I don’t know what they are currently doing. I don’t belong to Sony engineering team – so I even can’t tell you what they already achieved.
The options are:
1. bigger body
(I wish they have make a deeper grip and a bigger tripod-mounting surface at the bottom – but I doubt this will happen)
2. replace existing DSP by a less power consumig DSP (newer generation, maybe different manufacturer)
=> new software has to be written
=> longer battery life – even for stills
=> less heating (even for stills) -> cooler sensor -> less ISO noise
I think I could live with the side effects of 2.
Only thing is to keep cool and wait.
And if I compare Sonys innovations to Canon ones – I would not say Sony has a slow release cycle at all.
Ok we better started the discussion by that…. but this means the release may be postpon to mid-summer 🙁
Yes – that’s the downside.
Still I prefer a postponed product over a half-ready product.
Even if 4K heating is the official reason – I am quite sure, different developers are fixing minor-problems for other features in the same time.
There’s no official anything… this is a rumour about a rumoured product, and even that’s suspect.
That’s why this is a rumor site
We don’t know anything about the camera (that is not a rumor). So we have a rumored camera that is rumored to be delayed. So in reality, we don’t really know a whole lot.
Compactness
🙂
why not 3D recording with an adapter like on Pansasonic HDC camcorder line
Lets call this a 3D-E-mount-lens. It’s okay – it does neither add size or weight to the body. Is just software development.
I am quite sure this will come in some future.
if you want a digital stills camera and don’t care about video buy a Fuji. I know I want and need both for my work or I’d be deep into Fuji gear. Hurray up and figure it out Sony I have been waiting for this cam to use as a backup / compliment to my A7s.
lol i didn’t say i dont want video, but i just said if Sony postponed release it s coz of 4K issue. Do you think they will solve it by magic???
Never said magic but they can figure it out..just a matter of time, could be in an hour or 6 months but they’ll get it. Hopefully sooner rather than later. I wonder if they have a first run of the bodies and are simply trying to solve it through software or is it a hardware critical? hmm
Solving heating problems just by software is difficult.
Replacing hardware (DSPs, ASICs) need writing of new software.
How do you know Canon are not developing a 4k DSLR at this moment?
If Sony’s sensor does not support 4k video, Nikon can do nothing about it.
But don’t forget Nikon has a video DSLR D90 before Sony.
Canon has had a 4K DSLR for almost 3 years. They were the first on the market, DSLR or mirrorless, by a significant margin.
Canon are wanting to sell Cinema cameras as well as DSLR’s.
Just like the west didn’t give a damn about Hitler for many years.
Mirrorless are much more like video-cams than DSLRs.
1. AF relies on Live-View capabilites
2. Lens-motors must be compatible with Live-View AF.
As long as Canikon focus on DSLRs and as long theirs lenses have this loud, pumping AF motors, Canikon can not compete with mirrorless manufacturers in terms of video. That’s the reason why Canikon don’t try to catch up in video-recording. They are concentrating on stills and get customers, that give a $§%& on video, too
And don’t tell me there is no usecase for video-AF for serious film-makers.
If they have heat issues, make bigger bodies. Since Sony can’t reduce lens size, it makes sense to stop trying to make ”the smallest APS-C mirrorless with this and that on the market” in favour of better performance. How come Samsung and Panasonic can deliver internal 4K while Sony can’t?
IMO, IBIS is the reason of overheat, not the size.
IBIS does not allow the sensor mount on a heat sink.
The sensor has to flow, while air is poor heat conductor.
NX500 have 4k too, but does not overheat
The IBIS metal frame itself is a heatsink. That’s hardly important since CMOS sensors aren’t high wattage.
It’s the BIONX/BIONZ processors behind the sensors that takes up the watts.
Maybe Sony is waiting for 14nm. Eh, keep dreaming I guess, Sony will probably never release an NX1 competitor.
I don’t see the point of buying into the doom and gloom before the camera is released.
You don’t need 14 nm anything to make a good camera. Stop buying into the hysteria.
>processors behind the sensors that takes up the watts
>You don’t need 14 nm
Choose.
I don’t buy the premise that there is an overheating problem to begin with. And I don’t see why you should either.
When I said the processor took the lion share of the wattage, it was a reply to a post that claimed the sensor took the wattage. So there is no need to choose.
The GH4 sure as heck doesn’t have a 14 nm processor, and it doesn’t have overheating problems.
A7S also can’t do internal recording because of heat issue.
A7S do not have IBIS.
My A7..,NEX 6 & 7 overheated and we are talking 1/2 to 1/8 of the bandwidth of 4K .. depending on codex/compression. So, properly designed heat sinks can dissipate more heat when they have larger surface areas ..all else being the same. Body size does make a difference with regards to cooling the camera’s electronics.
Couldn’t disagree more! I bought the a6000 because of its small size and weight. I could care less about video! This is getting to be like the “flying car” we’ve been promised since the 60s. Let the engineers make a still camera, or a video camera, instead of telling them to put wings on existing designs.
then care less, please.
So keep your a6000 and leave the a7000 to compete against the NX1 and GH4
They’re far down the road of trying to produce a product that’s just a mashup of hot techno-buzzwords. Forget about “camera”, that’s old school. Every new feature or capability must include the word “video” or “smartphone”.
I like the way, Sony is doing right now.
I even wish they were doing more, or faster.
10 years ago, I wanted to have a camera that would be able to take great pictures in low light and is capable of making videos in low light, too. I was wondering why a DSLR could not record movies.
10 years ago, most (~90%) DSLR owners told me, they don’t need such a video function. Some (~30%) said, they don’t want to have a movie function inside a DSLR – and IF there is ever a video-capable DSLR on the market, they won’t buy that.
Yes – 10 years ago many people were convinced there is NEVER a video capable DSLR, because nobody wants it (except me) and because it’s technical impossible.
It’s always the same with new ideas:
Henry Ford:
“If I’d asked people what they wanted, they would have asked for a better horse”
Steve Jobs:
“A lot of times, people don’t know what they want until you show it to them.”
I’m waiting for the inevitable built-in cell phone.
Is coming.
Can be regarded as “pro”-feature: think about a photo journalist or a sport events photographer, being able to direct upload his pictures to the cloud-storage of a print or online-magazine.
Hopefully the usage of a simcard is not a “must” for being able to take pictures at all.
I’ve been waiting for that since the first iPhone came out. The absolute worst part about ALL digital cameras are their awful UI and OS. Now, I am a Sony owner, so perhaps I get more frustrated about this than others… but when you use a UI as elegantly perfected as iOS on brand new iPhone and then switch to using your camera, it shouldn’t feel like you stepped back in time 10 years. Seriously, the Sony UI feels like a Moto Razr sometimes. smh
I can’t believe people actually believe that this site exists as anything other than a guerrilla marketing tool of Sony! Get a grip people, even a cursory glance at the site administrators and the companies running the site show the PR foundations at the heart of this sham.
This site made me not buying a DSLR, but waiting for the NEX5.
Looking back it was the right decission.
That is what good marketing is all about, isn’ it? It makes you buy the things they want you to buy!
Yes it is and no.
That time it was just an information source – gave a glimpse into the future: I remember my brand-ranking that time:
1. Pentax – video mode + IBIS (and relative small bodies)
2. Nikon – video mode
3. Canon – video mode, but smaller APS-C sensors
4. Sony (Alpha) – IBIS, but no video*
5. Oly + Pana: Sensor far too small
So – puh! Now I am happy to be in Sony e-mount system, compared to Pentax. There were so many times I have been happy to have a compact sized camera with decent low-light capabilities, beeing able for stills and video in one single body. And having lenses opted for video with no drawbacks for stills.
Until now I think it was the right decission. The only alternative right now is Samsung NX – but I think Sony will develop better, at least NX can never be upgraded to FF because of the smaller diameter of the lens-mount.
*Sony was the only company with no video mode in their lineup, and int the specs of the cameras you could read: “video-mode:no” – that was a strong hint, Sony was working on that 🙂
Yes and no are two mutually exclusive concepts. The low light capability of most Sony cameras is still behind that of the competition (read for example dpreview’s recent review of the A7II). I switched from Pentax to Minolta because of camera-based IS only to see that it does nothing for long lenses and that Pentax introduced it a short while after. Now, I am stuck with an inferior system because I do not want to swap my A mount lenses (from 8 to 800mm) for Canon mount ones. This would be too costly as you get little money for A mount big glass. So, again, good marketing is when they make you buy what THEY want you to buy.
For me, small camera size is more important as the last bit of IQ.
A7II: the sensor is outdated – indeed. NEX5: the sensor was outdated that time, too. Whenever Sony releases a product with tons of new technology, there had been a long development time, causing the sensor be outdated at release date.
I enjoy this site immensely. It reminds me of Monty Python’s Flying Circus.
Yeah, right. Sony is going to run a website that say their products overheat and won’t be released yet because of it. Get a brain to put under your tin foil hat Jonno…
Remenber too megapixels = no low light the perfect count is 12mp for photos and superb video. Sony two chance 1 lower FS7 price under 2000$ 2 make a pro video mirrorless
As long you are not going into extreme, low light performance depends on sensor size and technology – not on pixel size.
A7R has better low-light performance than A7 in terms of ISO noise.
A7S is opted for extreme low-light, having big disadvantages at base ISO.
“A7R has better low-light performance than A7 in terms of ISO noise.
A7S is opted for extreme low-light, having big disadvantages at base ISO.”
NOT true.
LOL – 6 months ago I did’t believe my statement, too.
And you were right…
Why have you changed your mind?
I watched some Tony Northrup videos – he was talking about that topic over hours. There is indeed a lot of confusion among photographers.
The main statement is:
Nobody looks at a 100% crop of a picture.
Everybody looks at the whole picture.
To compare different resolutions, you have to downsample 36MP to 24MP (or upsample 24MP to 36MP)
Look at dpreview:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-a7r/17
– then choose RAW
– then choose ISO12800
– then choose Image-Size:”print” (top-right-corner of comparison tool)
and tell me what you see
Because he was not right. I have both cameras. The advantages to the A7S do not kick in until ABOVE 6400 ISO… below 6400 the A7R beats the A7S in overall noise in low-light.
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/4613822764/high-iso-compared-sony-a7s-vs-a7r-vs-canon-eos-5d-iii
True. Check DXOmark, dpreview and all other sites that reviewed a7r. Sensor in a7r is simply better than that of a7.
YES true.
Sony needs to step up their game with the internal 4K, touchscreen, faster burst rate in the upcoming APS-C camera to compete with the NX1. Of course NX1 is like $2000 and nobody cares because it’s a Samsung but still.
and samsun soon release NX1 LX that will destroys all cameras under A7S in terms of video. Sony must upgrade their line with pro cinema video functions under 1500$ if will sell their future products
I bet one day Sony will be taken over by Samsung. Anyway, what are these heat issues? 4K is only just above absolute zero!
Samsung NX500 with 16-50mm Power Zoom Lens $799
28mp APSC BSI sensor + internal 4k video HEVC (H.265)
205 point OSPDAF and 209 point CDAF
*FACEPALM*
First, why everyone is so crazy about 4K? It’s another 2-3 years till it will be common, why you need it now? Can you understand even complexity to implement it? Starting from sensor, finishing with SD card capable to store such dense bitrate 🙁
I think good IQ FullHD is still better than 4K with shity quality =(
For me, midship class camera (and a6xxx or a7000 is midship), it would be nice to have nice 120f 1080p or close to it, 20+ Megapixcels, great would be native support till 25.600+ ISO (not boost) and Touch screen, it would be already great improvement, if they could make IP56 or IP67 protection, this would be even greater 🙂 With price @ around 1.000 green papers it will be bestseller 🙂
4K is still hard to use, Internet not so fast, processing powers of computers still not enough =) Few years to early 🙂 also, now you need 4k with @ least 60 frames/s to be “modern”
4K is like “gluten free” . The market pundits have it at the top of their review list. Everyone thinks they need it, nobody knows why. It’s this month’s must-have feature.
Why would the heating issue be such a bad thing? I mean it gives the camera triple purpose, hand warmer + video + still camera, all in one! For those icy winter weather photo shoots.
samsung nx500 had the exact same problem as the a7000, the engineers had to force a 1.6 heavy crop when recording at 4k to prevent heating, so the recorded area is much smaller compared to fulll HD, wich is fkin lame, 4k on the nx500 is just a gimmick.
To Sony: skip A7000 and make A8000 having 8K, then you are a true winner
A8000=A8K
640×480 Confirmed
Yes
Kidding aside, that’d be perfect, 8K with 48MB stills. If they could down-sample the 8K video to 4K internally (as well as the A7S does from 4K to HD) and offer-up that 8K to an external recorder…………
Why don’t they try using a Peltier cooler, on a7000, like Blackmagic Design used on their Pocket cinema camera? This could solve the whole problem, cause the Peltier cooler would keep the sensor’s temperature steady, so it won’t overheat.
It’s a stupid solution, it costs a lot of battery power, and it causes condensation.
They should power the battery with heat generated from 4k recording.
Lol, go read a physics textbook again.
Trend for mirrorless is “right sizing” for the next year. Hence, the reason why smaller cameras can size up with bigger grips, buttons, etc. Thank god and a7II is a step in the right direction. Stop amusing us with uber small cameras and poor ergo. A7 will go down in history as not the first FF mirror less camera, but the worst ergonomics of any camera ever built. I hope A7000 takes note and gets beefy. Beefy is good. Show me the beef.
How about leaving it the nice compact size that it is now, which is so great for travel, and offering some beautiful fake weighted wraparound shell for you guys that want a more impressive camera presence?
You obviously haven’t used many cameras if you think the A7 has the worst ergonomics of any camera ever built.
LOL. That is ridiculous. I am 6’7″, have hands like Rachmaninoff, I can easily palm a basketball… and my A7R has never felt uncomfortable in my hands evens on the days when I snap 1000’s of shots. The size was fine for me, and is still fine for many people out there. In fact, it is likely one of the main reasons many have adopted the system. What you are expressing is a purely subjective opinion (granted, its one you happen to share with other people, just as others share my opinion of the ergonomics.) The only problem is YOU are in the minority for the current going-mirrorless demographic. By and large, the majority of mirror-less adopters would prefer smaller and lighter systems (especially if they retain the same feature set as their old “beefy” systems: eg full frame, resolution, high-iso, fps, dynamic range, etc.) So you have to cross your fingers and wait for some also-ran camera company like Samsung to fill your niche… Have fun with that.
A high mp camera is not the best choice for video..where everything must be downsized
Not the best choice for internet, photo sharing, or any of the nonsense that is better suited to lower res cameras.
A high mp camera is best suited for no nonsense still pictures of the highest quality.
If any of these rumors are true the new high mp camera is being delayed for problems with features that do not even belong on this camera.
Build it for a single purpose…the highest resolution best pictures possible.
Forget super high iso, forget vide, forget compact size…build a no nonsnse, no compromise single purpase , ultamate picture machine!!!
And since they wont have added all these extra problems tosolve it will be available sooner.
If people want a high quality prime lens instead of a do everything zoom…
Why should every camera be a do everything camera.
Boring….
NX1 can do it with 28 megapixels full read out no heat problems. Panasonic can do it on anything. Cell phones do it easy, get it together Sony, 4k 60f, and I’ll throw my money at you.
NX1 is a big camera, the nx5000 wich is similar sized to the a6000 has 4k only on heavy crop of factor 1.6, due to heating, theres no issues with big sensors on big cameras doing 4k, but big sensors and 4k on small cameras is still an issue.
That’s why Sony should stop with this “tiny body, big lens” philosophy. Since the lenses are getting bigger and bigger anyways, there should be no issue releasing a GH4 or NX1-body style for the a7000 series and leave the a6000 series for those looking for tiny bodies.
+1
The NX1 is a small camera. Dunno why people want to buy toys with no grip and weight.
The NX1 is bigger than a Nikon D5500 or a Canon Rebel T6i. It is smaller than midrange DSLRs, but it is not small.
Cellphones have BSI sensors, it’s easier to read out small BSI sensor than a large non-BSI one.
NX1 isn’t full frame. Why compare?
I would like it if there was a way to identify the source to make my own judgement on how reliable they are. Recently a lot of the rumors, and this one, for me seem to match a person that writes in the comment section, ie A88 and A99II. All these recent matching rumors I don’t trust.
This one is (SR4) which means the admin has some reason to think that the person has inside info, but it isn’t a total slam dunk.
Announce in May, ship in June, unbiased reviews in July, summer missed, might as well wait for year-end discounts. Wish Sony would move that schedule forward a month so I might have enough real world feedback to buy in early June for summer photos. I waited for real world reviews on A7r and am really glad I did as the shutter shock would have been a huge issue for me. Of course this site has rumored new cameras are 1 to 2 months out for the last six months, sooner or later it will happen but funny to imagine there is a schedule to go with the rumors. At least this site is cheap entertainment…
Resolve heat issue. Make a perfect 2k cam! 12 or 10MP slog2 profile and same video codecs of FS7. Price 999$ body.
The clean full readout pixel by pixel full HD is a perfect and sharp video a truly super 35mm.
The users require by years this but manufacters ignore THAT!
I have a idea to resolve heat issue! make a efficient dissipation metal body and place behind the sensor a PELTIER cell. It cool sensor with peltier effect exactly how happens in many astro sensors. For this double battery size and the heat problem vanish
I want lenses (85f1.8 for Aps-c, in order to have the 35f1.8, 50f1.8 and 85f1.8 tryptic completed), not a new camera 🙁
What’s gonna be the rumored specs of this camera?…sorry I’m not in touch with sony cams nowadays
Forget the 4K video if they have to make the body as big as a GH4 or NX1 – those are DSLR-sized bodies that negate the inherent size advantages of mirrorless systems. Give me a weather-sealed body, 24 MP, a high def viewfinder, and IBIS, and I’ll be in line to buy one.
The problem with guessing is that a lot of people think rumors are actually facts and treat everything in SAR as such. So when you get a headline that says overheating, people think it must be so. We don’t really know. At this point, we don’t know much about the cameras to be released so everything is really a guess.