What the hell is that? Another APS-C model called A75? That leak is coming directly via Sony websites. See here: http://www.sony.net/Products/Linux/DI/SLT-A75.html. Could it be a typo? Hm, if it would be in text my answer would be maybe yes. But fact is that also the URL contains the same name! I hope to get more news via my trusted sources very soon! Stay tuned!
P.S.: Imagine the A75 having the [shoplink 8461]Sony A77[/shoplink] body and [shoplink 8452]Sony NEX-5n[/shoplink] sensor. That would be something cool or not?
Reminder (SR = Sonyrumor):
SR1=probably fake rumor
SR2=rumor from unknown sources
SR3=50% chance it is correct
SR4=rumor from known sources (60-80% the rumor is correct)
SR5=almost certainly correct!
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I wish it was A77 sensor in a A580 body.
i wish is a a77 with Nex5n sensor? i don’t really need that 24MP anyway 🙂
That is what I want as well. Images from the NEX-5N are fantastic. And it maintains great image quality at high ISO. It performs much better at ISO 3200 than any of the 24 megapixel cameras.
I will cancel my pre-order for a NEX-7 if such a model exist. I have the NEX-5N and would like to have the same sensor in the a body like the NEX-7. Better high-ISO performance, 1-stop further in lens diffraction, and being less expensive make this a better choice for my needs. 🙂
I wish it was exactly the other way round a tuned A580 sensor or something similar in an A77 body.
Handlingwise other bodies like that of the A700 are far superior to that of the a580 (i currently have both)
In general an alpha 700 body with an a580/Nex5-N sensor would be an awesome machine.
A55 has the same sensor as A580 and Nex5N,
Don’t forget the A75 will also have a SLT mirror.
So put the 16Mpix sensor in to A77body, you will just get a similar IQ as the A55.
By comparing the sensor, A77 has a higher score than A55 in the DXOmark.
But of coz A75 will have a much better body and control than A55.
And you may also able to shot more frame before the buffer full in the high speed mode.
You’re right, I thought that the A55 would perform better when it comes to high iso noise performance but they are virtually the same. So I guess a Traditional SLR design as the one of the a700 would do the trick, without even needing a lot of development. I don’t get why sony isn’t offering both as i don’t expect that the additional costs to offer traditional DSLR’s also woulden’t be that high, meanwhile they could please additional customers.
From what I know the NEX-5N shares the same sensor as the A55 and Alpha580 aswell as the K5 and D7000, NEX-VG20 and possibly also other cameras.
Which brings me back to my first point from the electronics side there should be virtually be no development needed as from the mechanics the camera could be a near 1:1 copy of the A700 (just change the dial wheels).
If you put an A580 sensor in an A77 body you’ll get the same output as an A55.
The Nex5n does not have the same sensor as the A55. The sensor is a new reworked 16MP sensor. I remember on some forum someone had pointed out that the Nex5n sensor is 16.1MP whereas the one in the A55 is 16.2MP.
+1
Nex 5N uses and improved version of the “old” 16mp sensor.
One thing that bothers me, though: how did Pentax get to blow everyone out of the water with the 16mp sensor?
If you see the DxO scores, it’s (way) better than any other camera with the same sensor.
Perhaps Sony should ask Pentax for a few hints and tips?
:p
@Neo Nights
The K5 isn’t “way better” – it’s a more 2 points on the overall score. Th DR is better than the A580, but that could largely be down to a 14 bit A/D conversions (although the D7000 also has 14 bit).
There may be minor differences in the density of the colour filters used. As it is, it’s going to be an imperceptible difference in practice.
We have yet to see the NEX-5n evaluated – I will look forward to those results to see if the miracle some claim to have detected is really there.
Correct!
@Steve – yesterday I spent some time (just for fun) comparing the Pentax K-5 with a lot of other cameras, even full frame ones. And, surprisingly, it’s scored better than any cameras (and I *think* no other APS-C has scored above 80 points on the overall score).
So, obviously, Pentax did something right there.
And I agree with you, I’m also eager to see the test of the Nex 5N.
From image comparisons, it seemed better than the K-5.
Let’s wait!
I wonder what the margin of error is in their testing
Personally I would say that <5 points would be completely impossible to notice in real world situations. Especially depending on the conditions, lenses, filters etc.. hell, tiny fingerprints on the lens might cause worse than 2 point worth of image quality lose.
The whole measurebating thing is silly when taken too seriously. It just doesn't stand up to the standards it sets itself. They pretend to be scientific, but you're still using different lenses etc
+1 FK
Very interesting find Andrea!
It was a typo and Sony changed the link already
http://www.sony.net/Products/Linux/DI/SLT-A77.html
🙂
maybe just a typo.
Yep. I agree. Typo. And it makes sense cause A77 and 65 have very similar firmware so they could share the same code packages that Sony shares on it’s website.
It’s a type. Sony won’t jeopardize A77 sails at this point.
What about a77 masts?
LOL! 🙂
Probably a nex5n sensor in a a77 body, due to the amount of complain here.
Trust me, the pathetic whining of SAR readers means nothing.
People here demand everything.. even if its worse (like the 5 series sensor in 77 body)
I’said I’m sorry and that I was wrong with this one.
It’s the Mirror not the Sensor.
But even with a translucent mirror, the degradation in image quality/DxO scores isn’t as big as the difference between the a580 and a77. The a55’s performance would be what you’d get with the 16 mp sensor in a translucent mirror body – and even that is still higher than the a77’s low light score.
So even if the 24 mp sensor were put into a traditional body with a clear light path to the sensor, it would still score below the 16 mp sensor in low light.
Higher by 15 points out of 800… aka less than 2%
With one stop better dynamic range and colours
Disasterous!
Typo. URL may be generated from the heading 😉
That would revolutionize industrial production really…to give users what they ask for…not a bad thing, really! Perhaps the adaption of the 16MP sensor would not be so complicated after all?
I guess A75 was the name used in the development phase. The marketing guys then changed it to A77 because that seemed more “sexy” 😉
+1
The A77 is part of the A75 line of cameras. Or more likely A7x is the line of cameras.
It does state ‘series’ in the title.
Its a typo.. click back on the website and search for A77.. its not listed.. someone must have been spending long nights at sony office..
Full A77 features with Nex5N sensor – please go for it Sony!
Wishful thinking 🙂
That’s most likely a typo.
I wish they’d make a camera that can switch between SLT mode and SLR mode; (still with EVF) but where the mirror flips up like an SLR before taking the picture.
People are willing to pay big money for a lens that’s half a stop faster, so I’m willing to bet that they would also pay more for this feature.
I like the idea of an SLT camera but there’s no way that I’d permanently sacrifice half a stop of light for it.
They won’t, so you might as well forget it.
And the half stop if light argument is stupid too. It should depend on the results, not the method
Yes it does depend on the results and the results are half a stop worse then they should be. look at a55 vs a580. There would be no detriment to having 2 modes other than an extra switch or menu item.
Apart from the whole camera having to be redesigned, adding more expense and confusion to an already expensive and confusing camera. Few people outside of SAR even understand what SLT is anyway.
Yesss it is my dream 🙂
I think it’s only a dream… like a Nex-Six (Nex-7 body with a Nex-5N sensor): I’ll buy it even at the same price of a nex-7
it’s a typo…
But the real interesting part is that the a77 has a linux kernel on it, and they are giving you the source for it.
If you so wanted to and you had the know how, you could roll your own firmware for the a77 (well in theory).
Puggs
I had exactly the same thought. But wonder if this is just the operating system? E.g. Menus, pic viewer etc..
I’m probably wrong, but the firmware would be a separate file?
If there are any budding Linux guys out there… 🙂
Busybox – collection of shell utilities.
dosfstools – collection of tools for FAT partitions (windoz)
E2fsprogs – Ext2/3/4 Filesystem Utilities (linux)
Hostname – networking utility
Procps – utilities that give information about processes using the /proc filesystem (linux,unix etc..)
You can’t make your own firmware out of this. It’s just a pack of libraries and utilities, not much of use for creating alternative firmware to working camera. It’s like… you would be given a hammer and try to build a house – sure, hammer will be helpful but it’s nowhere near to entire house.
that is indeed interesting together with the fact that they do have files there for you to download. if you do some directory listing, it turns out that linux is used in quite a few other Sony gear.
unfortunately there is no info to what end it is used. as far as camera’s are concerned it is a mixed bag: a lot of P&S models, SLT’s and only one SLR (a580). maybe some linux code is used for the video operation of the camera’s
Nothing new here this was already discussed at the launch of the first nex cameras. But from what I know the firmware is just to heavily encrypted.
(Funny thing for me is to think that no one manages to decrypt that firmware whereas it is coming to such a huge thing as the PSN-Network this seem to be no problem at all.)
Clearly, typo …
its just the internal name for the A77. Hit the back button on the page and there’s no A77 in there but all the others are present.
A75 …
…16 MP
->> it would be GREAT!!!
Why would 16mpix be great? It’ll just perform the same as the A55, doesn’t the A77 already do that with 24mpix?
This. It would the same as the a55, and the 77 is the same.
I swear that SAR readers are getting more dense every day and more ridiculous in the things they demand.
+1. The only reason 16MP would be better is smaller files.
But smaller files would also mean more frames in a burst. According to the imaging resource site, the a77 buffers between 10 to 14 shots in a burst (raw or jpg, 7 or 11 fps), but the a580 can buffer 20 raw frames or 33 jpg frames at 7 fps.
And DxOMark says that the 16 mp sensor outperforms the 24 mp one at high ISOs, even with a translucent mirror cutting out some light.
Big deal.
a55 gets 73 total score vs 78 for a77
colour is 23 vs 24
Dynamic range is 12.4 vs 13.2 (almost a stop)
And ISO is 816 vs 801
So you get 8 more megapixels in exchange for losing 15pts from the ISO score.. that’s a pretty good trade IMO. 15 points out of 816 is less than 2%. And 2% is probably within margin of error for their testing, and is DEFINITELY not noticeable.
So basically the ISO performance equals the a55 (which is already excellent) and they added a stop more dynamic range and better colours. Sounds like win win win to me, and peoples constant whining is pathetic.
Ok, sorry about what I said on the a55 being better…I was looking at the a580. If I had to use a translucent mirror camera, I would take the a77 over the a55.
The a580 has practically the same metrics for low ISOs…so the a77 wins there simply because it offers more resolution. But at higher ISOs, (1121 vs 816), the a580 still looks like a better deal, especially because it’s cheaper.
It would be my dream!!!
its a typo…
click on red “back” button, and you will be redirected to page where you can select the camera that u want source code for…
there is no a77 in there but there is category for a75/a65… so i guess its a typo
Edit:
BUT… there is no NEX 7 either so… mybe its not a typo 😛
Edit2:
oops… i didnt saw monkeyfacemcbride’s comment b4…
Well the 5N has better noise control and detail preserving at higher ISO than the A55, but it might be because of the absence of SLT mirror in the 5N compared to the A55… A580 proved to be better with the same sensor, small tweak with the sony 16mp sensor would improve its performance even further(like they did with the 5N)…
I just wish they will come up with a solution for the 1/3stop loss of light compare to conventional SLR, however I’ve tried the a77 and I would definitely say that it rocks from lowest ISO to ISO 1600, I rarely use any ISO above 1600 with my a900 and I can still live with it, but with the current competition from other manufacturers I guess consumers demand more for their money.
I think sony should create the A75, why? because it will be catered for different people with different need. They might do it with their full frame offering I believe(one high MP and one good ISO), a 24MP sensor with similar noise performance of the 5N would be really awesome, A high resolution MP CCD sensor is also preferable, because after using medium format cameras images looks “better” at lower ISO, albeit losing at higher ISO…
Well, to me the main issue now is as long as they fixed the firmware issue in the a77 they would have problem moving out the a77, furthermore according to DxOmark it should have similar noise performance with the a55, so I guess that is enough for me =) others, you can look elsewhere or wait for this A75 for better noise performance =)
a modular camera system match everyone needs.
I agree, the 5N is top of the heep as far as high iso performance, it performs better than my A580 (which is no slouch).. They need to stay on the same track as the 5N… Stills and video top notch !!
And (modular system) won’t sell and won’t make any money
Making tons of compatible parts would be a software/firmware nightmare, considering they can’t get one camera to release without errors.
Plus manufacturing costs for lots of different parts costs a lot more than many replicates of the same part.. so it will cost more
Plus it will confuse the hell out of people.
I’m with everyone else on here: a77 or NEX-7 body with the tweaked 16MP sensor!
Then you get the same output as an a55..
Yeah, I know. I’m happy with the output. But the controls and features on the a77 are better.
So you want worse output than you get with the 24mp? Cool, I guess..
But the argument is that the 24 mp output is worse than the 16 mp sensor’s output at high ISOs, even when the images are both scaled down to 8 mp (which is what DxO does to get their ‘print’ results). So if you use high ISOs a lot, the 16 mp sensor would be more desirable.
And if you shoot sports rapid-fire style, the smaller file sizes from the 16 mp sensor would mean that more raw frames would fit in the buffer during a burst (the a580 buffers more frames in a burst than the a77, even when both are set to 7 fps).
But that’s all irrelevant if you always shoot in broad daylight or use long exposures/flash. In that case, the additional resolution provided by the a77 would be nice, although 16 mp is plenty in my opinion.
See my post above. According to DxOMark, the ISO performance is 2% worse than a55, and in exchange you get one stop more dynamic range, better colours and 8 more megapixels of resolution.
Seems like a good trade to me.
Ok, well, again, perhaps it was a bad idea to compare with the a55. You’re right – 801 compared to 816 is pretty much irrelevant.
I was looking at the a580, which does give better image quality at high ISOs (39.9% better score than the a77). Looking at the measurement graphs, the a580 has better dynamic range and less noise throughout the ISO range.
Colors (really chroma noise measurements) and dynamic range only even out ISO 100. And if the a580 had an ISO 50 option like the Pentax K-5, it’d win on dynamic range too.
So again, if someone wanted the best low light image quality for the price, the a580 would be hard to beat. And aside from having lower resolution, the a580’s sensor does do very well at low ISOs. (and 16 MP is good enough for most purposes)
But really, what’s the point of arguing over this? If you need 24 MP and don’t shoot in situations that require high ISOs, the a77 (with lots of spare batteries) seems like an awesome camera.
David is either high or he wears a helmet when he’s not riding his bike.
“That would be something cool or not?”
That would be something correct. Something it should have been from the beginning. Damned Sony.
It would be good for sports people, because appart from the low light capabilities, they’d get more frames when they shoot continously, because the buffer would be able to hold many more photos.
A75 = Plastic Body
Between: 16 – 24 mp
If this rumor is true or maybe leak.
Then I won’t buy it, if it’s plastic. I’ll wait for FF and if it’s fail I’ll jump ship. Sorry to admit it, but this is at least my plan at the moment.
i think they would need to keep the mag. body and then simply fit the 16mp into it as it would take longer to fill the buffer
tho till i get more use of the EVF i think i ll jsut see about getting the 580 (dont really need super HD video and 24mp so not worth that upgrade yet)
I would be damned annoyed if they bring out an A75 when I’ve just purchased the A77. We need a clear Sony roadmap for future cameras.
They won’t. It’s a typo. Stop worrying and go take some pictures.
A65 + autofocus correction from menu = A75
:))))))
Ok quick question for u experts.
U all fantasy all kinda options like nex sensor in a77 body etc etc.
But what would be the more expensive part of the a77 camera.
The body it self(without sensor focourse) or the sensor?
body
Both sensors should cost almost the same in production coz they have the same size, the pixel sensor count shouldn’t matter.
would it be an update for the A55?
the A33 got replace by the A35.
so A35, A75, A77? (don’t know where to fit the A65 thou, LOL)
i was dreaming to buy this A77, but the test (high ISO) just makes me wait, to wait until a perfect time to jumpship.
Sensor of Nex-5N in a A77 body, I’m waiting for that, hope it’s not a joke !
I told you many times that there were 3 New Alpha’s in the pipeline…..
You sound quite mysterious, man..
If it didn’t include the a65 it might be more plausible. I say typo, but it would be very cool to get the 77 body with the 5n sensor. While we’re at it, how about an a750 and a770!
I just want A75 with 10 MP, like Nikon V1 !
I don’t want the Nikon 1 sensor! 🙂
haha.. agree !
I was thinking yesterday that it would be great if Sony did their top end cameras similar to the Nikon D3S and D3X. Have one model with a high res sensor, and a second with lower resolution but far better high iso noise levels.
If the rumour is true, then this could be what’s happening.
Personally though, I think it’s a typo
what’s in those source code anyway? has anyone looked into them? does this mean you can root your a7x camera, hack your way in ala the GH2? (manipulate ISO noise algorithm, have 120fps video, etc…) 😎
Everyone talks about 24MP vs. 16MP. Why couldn’t an A75 have an 18MP sensor?
Wheelus, Id rather have 2 million less pixels and slightly better ISO performance than the ability to print it fractionally bigger 🙂 In fact Id take a 12mp sensor tbph
as I’ve said before a 32MP sensor would make the same sense. Have you not heard of Diminishing returns ? Show me a 12MP APSC that is any beter at anything than the A77. In real world with present tech 16-24MP is the optimum APS-C range. Bringing out a 3rd sensor in between would please hardly anyone and cost a lot.
Has anyone noticed the absence of a77 in those charts? a77/a65 were released together, not a75/65. It’s a typo.
typo… any news yet about the SEL3518 will it have OSS ?
35-18 ?
A77,A65 or A75 what I want is telephoto to match. When are we going to here somthing about the 16-50/2.8 telephoto zoom partner.
Doesn’t the 70-200/2.8 already provide a high quality telephoto zoom option?
Expensive Large FF. I like it but its not ideal. I am looking at sub $1000 moisture and dust sealed APS-C. Canon do a 70-200/F4 L which is pretty cheap and FF so I am sure something better is possible how about F3.5 version of 70300G. I had heard rumour something was on the way a high Quality 50-200/F3.5 would suit I am not picky I just need to now before I end up buying an unsuitable stopgap and wasting money.
If you want something between the 70-200/2.8 and the plastic 55-200/4-5.6, you could go really cheap and grab a 70-210/4 for ~$200 (or less) off ebay.
I have the 70-210/4. Image quality at 210mm f/4 when pixel peeping isn’t perfect, but having the option of getting an extra stop of light in exchange for a slight sharpness loss is a great option, especially in low light.
i keep holding hope that sony will take the 16-50 2.8f body and put “handshake” glass in it
if i looked at the specs right with the new tec it should fit and a 30-140 F4 should be doable in a G
like lens
then i could get something wide for indoors hike with my “new handshake” and carry a 70-300 for when i need range
I’m betting with those who think it’s just an error, and it refers to the device marketed as the “a77.” Not quite a “typo” I think; rather, a pre-production naming scheme, buried in deverloper-tool sourcecode & nothing the marketing-department thought worth revising.
Particularly since the context is “a75/a65” — we already know that the a77 is the item paired with the a65 — I’m pretty sure this named device is that physical item.
– Steve S.
SEL35F18 sorry typo before 😉
Where are the Alpha lens rumours?? Not even a SR1?
Has to be something…
I think I’d be happier with the 16mp sensor in the a77 body to be honest, as I know my existing Mac would handle the files just fine – whereas with 24mp I’m not so sure…
I hope they make a NEX 7 body with the sensor of NEX 5N.