The following rumor comes via a new source. So as usual take those with a large amount of skepticism. I chatted with him for some time yesterday and he said that Sony delayed a bit the launch of the 85mm G FE lens that was rumored to be launched in autumn. He says why:
Announcement depends on relations and partnership with Zeiss, since they couldn’t meet the demand for Batis 85 on time and currently short on stock. He says he was told the management may decide to wait Zeiss to sell Batis with a worldwide coverage.
The same source also said that Sony’s original plan was (or still is) to release two new FE lenses in autumn (with shipments before Christmas). One is the 85mm G FE and one is the 70-200mm f/2.8 FE lens.
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231 Responses
Please Sony, DON’T REPEAT ANY LENS THAT IS CURRENT EXISTING FOCAL LENGTH!!
Current Batis 85mm is very good. It took 5 months from pre-order to arrive.
Cross my fingers on 70-200 f2.8
I want a native 100-400 or something of the like more than anything right now. The 70-400 A mount is a bit pricey as it is. Really dont want to add the cost (and bulk) of an adapter on top of that
I think it’s not realistic to think that a 100-400 for e-mount would be less expensive than the a-mount version (and what a suprise: it will also be much larger and heavier than the 70-200mm F4 e-mount version)
It will be less expensive because I wont have to buy an adapter 🙂
conventional designs would have the rear element far forward, so you are unlikely to have a shorter lens
I would be happy to get the A-mount 70-400G as native E-mount version with same size and and price. But faster AF and no need for adapter workarounding.
Especially the 70mm on the low end is the 70-400 very versatile. It would make the 70-200f4 obsolete for me.
Since the Batis is manufactured by Cosina, and the FE 85 isn’t even a Zeiss partnered/designed lens, and would be manufactured by Sony regardless, I don’t see what involvement Zeiss could have on a delay.
Maybe they want to make sure Zeiss can sell a lot of Batis’es before Sony launches their own 85
and it sounds like the sony 85 will be better than the batis. 😉
And you know this because of what? I use the Batis 85 and it is excellent in my opinion. Many reviewers agree to this, so it is not clear at all what lens will be better and in what respect.
I was reading (unseriously and with humor) between the lines:
Why should zeiss bother a new sony 85, if the batis 85 is excellent? So, why should sony hold the sony 85 back, if the sony 85 isn’t better than the batis 85?
Now you can go backwards: If sony hold the sony 85 back, because zeiss want to sell all preordered batis 85 first, it could only be because otherwise all preorderers will cancel it to get the new sony 85. And why should they do that? because the sony 85 is better than the batis. Otherwise (the sony isnt better than the zeiss) these lenses wouldn’t cannibalize each other, so there is no reason to hold the sony 85 back.
A lot of ifs. I would only cancel it if the Sony reviews would turn it out to be superior. This is not guaranteed, mostly it is just “the grass is greener there” phenomenon. Secondly, I expect the new Sony not to be a mass market lens and cost around 1500-1600 Euros (see 35/1.4). Not many consumers will go for a lens at such a price point in a shrinking market. So it is all speculation and therefore not worth thinking about.
Because the two companies share lens release strategies and probably have agreements in place to prevent them stealing each other’s thunder.
Ah, this is why we haven’t got a replacement for shtty 16-70z yet.
I doubt it, Zeiss don’t really do their own zooms.
Hope DEO Tech make NX to E adapter and you’ll get 16-50/2.0-2.8 replacement…
A-mount 16-50/2.8 isn’t good enough for you?
It’s A mount. Not E mount
16-50/2-2.8 also is not E-mount.
16-70z is shitty?
If there are already two fine lenses around 85 – 90 mm (Batis and 2.8 Macro) – why on earth do we need a third one?
This is simple. Zeiss doesn’t want to allow their badge on the Sony lens unless they wait till the Batis rush has settled.
I can’t wait for people to start with “OMG! That 70-200 is huge! We don’t need that on mirrorless system!” kind of comments….
It doesn’t really matter what they release, this forum always brings out the haters which will try to overwhelm the board with their pointless rhetoric.
or something like “We need a lens like 8mm – 5000mm f/0.95 with pancake lens size and pocket friendly”. Welp.
While those comments are obviously stupid as there is no such thing as an obligation to buy, it is, on the other hand, quite true that mirrorless systems do lose their size and weight advantages over DSLR systems the more, the longer and faster your lenses are.
Of course. If you only need 70-200/2.8, 300mm/4 and 600mm/5.6, you won’t notice much difference. But if you need 50mm + 85mm + 70-200, then who cares if 70-200 is big….
OMG! That 70-200 is so hu…….oh…..
I wrote this on Brian Smiths FB and he liked the post:
“Hi Brian. Maybe it’s “universal” but the a7x camera houses are too small and lack a proper grip. It makes no sense to put a 70-200 f/2.8 or even a 24-70 f/2.8 on such a small house. What Sony need to do is make a native a-mount camera with the 42 MP sensor. I wouldn’t mind the a900 with video better AF and a 42 MP sensor.”
If 24-70 f/2.8 is too big for A7, then 70-200/f4 is also too big.
Exactly! And the same people will go buy the 3lb CanNikon film model with 15 different adapters between the body and the lens.
Excuses here we go.
Next article “Top 10 possible reasons A68 may get delayed”.
Will be funny if the whole event is about that STARVIS thing.
P.S. With overheating issues #1 of course.
That makes sense to me. Curious to see how this 85G stacks up. Kind of disappointed if we end up with three expensive 85-90mm lenses all within a stop of each other. At least there’s two stops and some functional differences between the three 35s!
The 90 is a macro. The Batis is 1.8 which is already over a stop difference from the 90. Aaand this 85 G is rumored to be f1.4
Macro 90 vs Batis 85 is 1 1/3 stop actually
I would guess that’s why he said “over a stop difference”.
Well if we want to get picky the Batis has a lower T stop but, OK, 85G less than a stop below the Batis, the Batis a LITTLE over a stop below the 90G. The cheapest will be $1k. Still think there are better holes to fill (assuming Zeiss actually starts shipping the Batis).
A 135mm would be nice…
24-105mm f/4
300mm 2.8/4
An upgrade to the zeiss 24-70 that is sharper in the corners.
They should go crazy and make a 85 1.2 with no focus by wire (im know im dreaming).
Im curius how much the 70-200 is going to cost. My guess is anywhere between $2200-2500.
Definitely! Yes we must have dreaming about a 85 1.4/1.2 lens without focu by wire.
I want mechanical focusing and I 100% buy it as so many people also!
Possible just switch between FbW-Manual should be offered
Just grab the 85mm Planar F1.4 ZA for A-Mount and put it on an LA-EA4 adapter. And dream no more.
I’m using the sigma 85mm 1.4 with the LA-EA3 adapter on the 7rII. Love it!
A 300mm f4 will be very nice and much needed!
Or 400 F5.0 …
So they mean before Christmas this year right?
What can SR2 mean?
Uhm OK? Yes! Yes you are right! I can’t believe I never thought of that! Amazing! It will be and if its not it will be blue, bonanza.
Meh, boring.
Please Sony lets continue to rock!!!
85 1.2
105 1.8
135 1.8
10-24 4
24-70 2.8
70-200 2.8
200 2
120 2 T/S or Macro
300 4
and one of an astrophotography prime lens with zero coma so you have the choice
12 1.8
14 1.8
16 1.8
18 1.8
+ trio 2.4 or 2.8 prime pancake series!!
+ one or two (super) telephoto primes and zooms for the wildlife and sports photographer
+ one or two fisheyes 8 and 16 2 or 2.8
+ the best flash system / series of new flashes radio transmitter/trigger (built in all upcoming new cameras) beating nikon and canon ones!!!
i stop dreaming of course;) its not the first april yet;)!
Nothing for APSC-camera users with not a such big wallet 🙂 ??
I think if sony will not release something in about 2-3-4 month so crop lineup is definitely dead and abandoned until the time when FF lineup will be full of lenses…
Why. The a6000 is market leader and they are probably working on a6000 MkII. As long as it’s the best they can offer why make a new camera?
It would be a market leader but it has not enough lenses to be a fully functional system compared to fuji, smashing or even m43.. Curtains down…
Not a single APS-C product announced for the gift buying season, 2 consecutive years? If that’s how it turns out, I’m assuming it’s a dead line. Some other manufacturer will leapfrog over the a6000, with something even better, and that’s where I’ll head.
I’m now thinking seriously about where I’ll go after Sony. Zero interest in FF, I like small lightweight gear. But if the a6000 is the end of the road, so be it.
Oh come on! The a6000 is still one of the best APS-C cameras out there. Does it really need an upgrade just for the sake of an upgrade?!
Camera with no bright lenses is useless….
You know you can use all the FE lenses on the a6000, right?
The 28/2 is actually very good for the a6000.
And don’t complain about them being expensive, just look over at Fujis lenses. You pay for bright lenses.
And don’t complain about size. The APS-C Zeiss 24mm f1.8 is the same size as the FE 28/ or the 55/1.8.
Of course I know that, but I’d better prefer lenses similar to fuji or samsung lineup and not FF capable… BTW fuji price range is adequate for lens quality you get, not as sony unfortunately(
if they had a FE-F speedbooster adapter , then 28 mm lens would have same interest on APS-C thand on FE 😀
It obviously doesn’t ‘need’ an upgrade today, but eventually, it will fall behind in sensor quality. And I’d definitely like a higher resolution EVF.
Yes, and as long as it still is one of the best there is no direct need for a new cam, right? They will announce a follow up for sure. They ain’t gonna let APSC emount die.
People want to see some of the A7RII’s improvements trickle down to APS-C.
In my case, even if nothing else changed, IBIS or OSPDAF with EA1/EA3 adapters (and hence adapted Canon glass) would make the body an instabuy for me.
The reality, though, is:
1) The A6000 still remains the top-selling mirrorless camera on Amazon despite its age. Less incentive for Sony to refresh it if it’s still dominating the market.
2) Typical camera industry product cycle time is 2-3 years or more. Sony has been refreshing the A7 family UNUSUALLY fast compared to industry norms. We’re not yet at the 2 year mark for the A6000. In the early days of APS-C E-mount there were rapid refreshes as Sony was building out the system and working out the kinks, but again – the A6000 is a solid camera that is the top seller at a number of large retailers.
We can say the same about A7x line but they updated them all so why not APS-C line 😉
A7 needed an upgrade to the IBIS. That was the only upgrade i needed. 🙂 But im stil on my first A7 lol
The only one compact way now is to move to fuji or micro43… I don’t want to go to FF either even with A7II in my bag I simply use most of the time NEX 5N-5T
I don’t want to go Fuji or m43 because they suck at high ISO and their bodies are same or even bigger than A7 series.
So I guess it’s a stalemate. Where do we go from here?
The only way is heaven!
It’s a fake. Why? Because if the will only ship 2 lenses this year before Christmas – then it should be 2 lenses that are most wanted, badly needed. Now let’s see: from 24-70 and 70-200 we already have – only 24-70 is mediocre/soft and logically if Sony wants to ship any lens (in addition to 85mm) it must be 24-70 replacement. Now why the hell they would want to ship 70-200f2.8 if it’s not 1st priority and besides current 70-200F4 is probably 2nd best lens in FE lineup. This just doesn’t make sense. But then again, Sony usually does things that often make no sense at all. I guess if this schizophrenic behavior of Sony will continue – than I will have to say good-bye to Sony. I’m almost fed up with this highly illogical management behavior.
LOL from all the lenses we badly need, 70-200f2.8 is probably last
“we” ? You want to prescribe what _we_ need or what _you_ need? A 70-200/2.8 or 135/2 is top priority for me, for example. Then e.th. _I_ need is there (21mm Loxia, 25/2 35/1.4, 55/1.8, 85/1.8, 70-200/2.8) to shoot a wedding without excuses.
“Majestic plural” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we
Or maybe be this:
70-200 2.8 is supuer important. I use to think 24-70 2.8 was super important, but i dont really use it much except for non professinal work. Its usually for playing around for me.
I discussed recently with a Sony reps who comfessed they had again heat issue with the 85 G FE lens like for the Sony A6xxx.
By the way he also comfirmed the release LA-EA3 II and LA-EA4 II adapters for the more impatient E-mounters or suggest to buy the future Hasselblad 90 mm f/2.8 macro FE lens at 650$ 😀
hope it’s just a joke 555+++
if it’s not a joke but a premonition based on this (SR2) i will change my job and open my office of Business clairvoyance 😀
i want ur choice of astro prime lenses to be released too :p… 12-14 first
OK
>it should be 2 lenses that are most wanted, badly needed
So, 24-70 f/2.8 and 70-200 f/2.8, right? Makes perfect sense, since Sony started positioning FE as DSLR replacement. But I agree with you that Sony usually does things that often make no sense at all, so they’ll probably release another bunch of pseudo-compact primes instead.
Sony needs time to decenter it.
All new 8 lenses will be 35mm and 50mm. Because we need more of those.
Big and expensive. If it would be less expensive I might be willing to deal with the big. If it wasn’t so big I might be willing to deal with the expensive. Next year new Sony lens line…BIGENSIVE.
I simply don’t believe they will make a 70-200 f/2.8 in FE mount. It will be so large that you can’t put your fingers around the grip on a a7x body.
Another reason I don’t believe it is this.
I wrote the following comment on Brian Smith’s FB site and he actually liked it:
“Hi Brian. Maybe it’s “universal” but the a7x camera houses are too small and lack a proper grip. It makes no sense to put a 70-200 f/2.8 or even a 24-70 f/2.8 on such a small house. What Sony need to do is make a native a-mount camera with the 42 MP sensor. I wouldn’t mind the a900 with video better AF and a 42 MP sensor.”
Bunk.
Just because the A7 is compact, doesn’t mean that the A9 will be. Look at the Leica SL for example.
And you can always just use the battery grip and then there is plenty of grip…
Which a9?
A7 has plenty of room. Take SAL2470z, add an adapter, and you pretty much have the FE 24-70. Sure it’s huge and unwieldy with a tiny body, but that’s another topic altogether.
You forget the 70-200 f/2.8 has an ring with a tripod mount and without an adaptor it will be much bigger than 24-70 f/2.8 and really close to the grip.
Don’t you think a 70-200/2.8 can’t be constructed such that the tripod mount is not in the way? You could turn it up- or sidewards, too?
You’re right. A7x is very compact, and there’s no way to give it enough girth to get a proper grip on the camera with heavy lenses. They should either give up on the whole line or come up with some sort of extender to attach to the bottom of the camera.
Here’s what I managed to scrape together using no duct tape, less than an ounce of glue, and this thing I bought off amazon
So much for miniaturization. Everyone’s putting on battery grip first thing.
I came from a gripped 5D3. This is very comfortable yet still feels TINY by comparison. (or, I guess I should say, now that I’ve grown used to the smaller size, a gripped 5D3 now feels comically huge when I pick one up)
Go Google at the Olympus E1 grip, note the grips (different to body) battery, that’s what Sony should offer.
Exactly – most people who put grips on their A7’s were likely putting grips on their DSLR’s, too, so it’s still much smaller.
Then I could just as well use a dslr body withoyt grip and get a lower camera but with a deeper grip! Actually an a7x with grip is more clumsy than an a99 or a900.
Do you even own a gripped A7x or just an a-mount owner who feels threatened to see development on a product line that won’t help you? Either way, whatever, OK, I’m sure you’re right. The huge chunk of pro Canon/Nikon shooters who are buying e-mount bodies (and don’t find them clumsy at all despite your personal opinions) won’t have any impact on Sony’s decisions. Sony execs will soon realize it just “doesn’t make sense” to put large lenses on a body that small. In fact, they’ll probably also recall the 35mm f/1.4 because it’s just so weird to have a large heavy lens on a small body. Not sure what I was thinking. Just keep repeating to yourself that e-mount is a passing phase.
Modularity
No, that is not true. Not me. I am a traveller so I need small and light… and I would have never bought a Sony NEX-5, NEX-6, A7r and then A7R mk2 if it was not for the miniaturisation. Before the NEX-5 I used a Canon S90 which is tiny as per the Sony RX100.
Can someone please explain to me why a 70-200 f2.8 for the A7 series would be any bigger than the 70-200 f2.8 for the A mount cameras?
Is there some physics I don’t know about?
I don’t think it will be bigger than a-mount but the a-mount one is big. On a a700 with the tripod mount ring on the 70-200 G there is no room for the fingers. And the a7x is even smaller.
I don’t get all the complaints about lense being too large. I tried my Canon 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200 with the adapter, and if you actually hold your camera by the body and lens like you would when shooting these large lens, it’s no different than with a Canon body. Yes, there’s a slight imbalance, but it’s not horrible or any different than if you were shooting with say a Canon Rebel.
For many pros a 70-200/2.8 is a very important lens. It is one of our favourite lenses, too. An f4-lens is too slow with not enough DOF-separation for me. There is no reason why you shouldn’t be able to design it such that the tripod mount doesn’t bother you. Furthermore, loose the mount and turn it sideways or remove it if you don’t need it. As to size: such a lens is not meant to be used for travelling light. You use it for paid sessions for example or for parts during a wedding. Absolutely no problem for my wife to do that with a D810. And you should be stronger.
Believe me I have had a Sony 70-200G f/2.8 G for 8 years and used it for sports (All night shooting cycling) portraits and landscape. It’s perfect on an a900 or a99 but it’s too big for an a7x even with grip. Thats just my opinion. Why settle with lousy ergonomics when I can have something a lot better.
I don’t mind and don’t see any problem with it. If you scale it, then every 300/2.8, 400/2.8 etc wouldn’t be suitable for a DSLR due to the relative size. With grip it is larger than my D750, which works nicely with 70-200/2.8.
You are assuming that A7x bodies is all there ever will be. That is false.
Also, A7xII bodies with grip are not that bad with A-mount 70-200/2.8G and 24-70/2.8Z lenses, with adapter.
How can you possibly know which cameras Sony will make and how they will look!
Well it’s certainly very uncomfortable compared to my a900.
It would be quite silly to assume that they made the FE 35/1.4 and 90/2.8M to only ever be used on small bodies. Also the recent interview about how they will address wedding and event photographers next.
I now mainly use A7rII and every time I have to hold my A850, it feels like a bloated monstrosity from the past. I prefer to handhold A-mount 70-200/2.8G with LA-EA3 on a gripped A7rII than that very same lens on A850.
Having a Sony Zeiss 35/1.4 side by side with a Sony G 85/1.4 would be ridiculous.
I wish Sony would stop throwing cr*p at the wall to see what sticks and work on actual lens lines (like Loxia, Batis).
A super compact 35/2.8-style line is a great idea.
A compact high IQ line like the 55/1.8 is a great idea.
A cheap line like the 28/2 is a great idea.
A fast aperture line like the 35/1.4 with aperture ring is a great idea.
So now stop making more lines and flesh out the existing ones!!!!!
“Having a Sony Zeiss 35/1.4 side by side with a Sony G 85/1.4 would be ridiculous”
Why?
I think he ment Zeiss 85 f1/.4
No, he actually meant a G lens.
When talking in context of lens lines, yes it would be ridiculous, as that adds another line.
Ok I understand. Actually I don’t believe they will make it a G lens if it ever comes. In a-mount it’s a Zeiss and so is the 135 f/1.8.
Is a lens not a lens? Does it really matter what writing is etched on the side?
I’m not sure I get the ridiculousness of that!
Usually the telezooms and telelenses are G and the shorter primes are Zeiss at least the ones with a large f-stop.
But I agre it really doesn’t matter as long as the quality is OK.
Tell that to SAL85F14z and SAL135F18z. Both are telephoto and Zeiss.
I had the 35mm f1.4 G, which was a fine lens, until I switched to the A7 series and sold all my heavy gear, but I know what you mean.
Yes, a lens is a lens, and it doesn’t matter as long as it exists within a certain line.
Again, I’m talking here strictly within the OP’s original post. Say there are 4 lines. The 1.4 line would be messy if you have G and Zeiss all mashed into one. And it would be confusing to a new user. Also, if coatings are different, then when switching between G and Zeiss, you would also change the color rendering(matters for videographers for the most part). Other than that, yes, it doesn’t matter.
I would agree about possible variation in coatings, but the OP mentioned Sony sticking to certain lines and quoted Loxia and Batis. Unfortunately, they are both 100% Zeiss, merely with E mounts.
To be honest, though, I’ve never quite figured out the overall plan in terms of releasing lenses and how the co-operation with Zeiss would work. It seems like there is a lot of overlap and a lot of obvious gaps where, if they had really thought things through, we could be looking at a nice, broad, fully integrated range by now.
Of course, I don’t suppose it would make sense to commit so fully to another manufacturer, otherwise you could be held to ransom, so to speak. Perhaps that’s why it’s been a bit of a mish-mash.
I’m saying that Zeiss has the right idea with clear Loxia and Batis lens families.
Sony has the wrong idea, and is basically following a Samsung strategy where you throw a lot of **** at the wall and see what sticks.
The fact that such an incoherent lens lineup is being released is an indication that Sony has no clear strategy what so ever.
Im pretty sure this already exists.
Sony FE
Sony G
Sony Zeiss
If the 85 1.4 is a G lens it will probably have the switches and focus hold on it.
It’s being cancel because Sony will release a new A-mount 85mm 1.4G with SSM when the A68 is released!
A $1500’ish lens to go with a $700 entry level camera? Seems legit
They thought to the E liners which will use the new A-E adapter…on their A7x camera 😀
People always give the advice of getting good glass first so nothing bizarre here…
And many say that speaking from the experience of buying cheap, not being satisfied, selling and buying something really good. In the long run it’s cheaper getting something you’re going to be satisfied with for a long time.
85/1.4G is now officially entry-level.
Same legit as using a $12,999’ish 800mm lens on a Canon $6,000 1D body 🙂
The $1500 lens will work with any a-mount camera and will be a viable tool many years after the $700 body was thrown in the recycling bin.
I think you are right 😉 at least it’s a nice thought?
Really? I just bought a mint old Minolta 85mm 1.4G D on ebay because I got tired of waiting for a new version with SSM. It is a sweet lens and much less expensive than what this new lens will be and it sits well on my A77.
SSM2 ZA 85 & 135mm lenses would be appreciated.
Your post seems illogical.
I think we should read these news like
“The Zeiss Batis 85 is selling extremely well for a premium product. Why damage its sales by introducing a competitor before the market is saturated.”
Congrats you just got a job @ the Sony HQ as a new CMO! 🙂
I believe that this may be the reason as well as manufacturing constraints…
To solve the problem of unbalanced camera, i will suggest R&D team of E line camera to weight the bottom and the back of the camera by using platinum alloy and keep Magnesium alloy for the front :D…. Therefore the camera will be more adapted to big lenses 😉
Again a joke, for info 😀
Fill the lens with helium, and the camera with lead. 😀
i was also thinking to use radium or uranium for the BSI sensor. Then with your lead alloy body it will be perfectly safe and balanced camera…
Maybe it will be more safe to use this kind of sensor on fixed lens camera to not be able to open it and irradiate ppl every time the user will change the lens 😉
It’ll be a thick one body.
Well, imagine we could get one day a 14-600mm f/1.4 for 1lb. That would be something 🙂
You really are dreaming.
I still think we need this lens:
FE 50 / f1.8 no OSS price: ~ $250
The 70-200/2.8 is a lens drawing a lot of interest towards a camera system. In my opinion, the top priority should be optical quality even if this means compromises in size. What would we gain from a mediocre lens, being a little smaller or lighter than Canikons offering but not living up to the 42Mp sensors already at f2.8? For me it would be a flagship lens showing off the potential of a system. Would it be “relatively” light weight, too, this would be icing on the cake.
There is no excuse ! I wait for 2 Years now for that lense !
You are a very patient person, sir.
Passion As a Sony User is a sublime virtue :))
i use a zuiko 85 mm 2:0 lense for now , with Great Result.
Does it cover FF frame?
Yes Indeed , Its olympus OM zuiko 2.0 MAnual Focus,
Batis quality primes, no camera manufacturer has prime glass that good (FE 1.8/55 & FE 2.8/35 are close, MAKE MORE LIKE THESE). Sony should cater to both still shooters and motion shooters. Dress up a Loxia style optical design in a cinema housing for our FE motion shooters. A bunch of sub-par HUGE f/2.8 zooms won’t cut it going forward on a diminutive E-Series body.
I have the FE 1.8 55mm and the FE 2.8 35mm and these are my only lenses for the A7r and A7r mk2. I found most of the others were too large and heavy. Now a high aperture 85mm and a very wide ange 16 or 18mm would be great.
An FE 2/105 portrait lens in the style of the FE 1.8/55 would be perfect Sony!
cant wait to see how much those lens cost. lol (shivvers)
Start looking for buyer on a kidney transplant grey market.
As far as hobbies go, cameras are one of the cheaper ones. Try automobiles and high end stereo systems for example.
My other hobby is homebrewing (beer). My wife would not categorize my camera hobby as cheap. I guess it could be, but my 120-300/2.8, 70-200/2.8 and 85/1.2 are a bit hefty. Ok may be I am the problem.
I thought my previous hobby – guns – was expensive. LOL, compared to the cameras it’s nothing.
You can always sell out part of your liver too.
You have to pay to play, this is the world we live in.
Thanks, captain.
70-200 f/2.8 will be well over 2k.
At that focal range I’d probably break down and just get a canon SLR to accompany a the cheaper canon version.
The Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II is currently $2000.
Sony one maybe 3000 like the A-mount.
If he adds the price of a full frame Canon DSLR he will spend upwards of $4000. Seems like a dumb idea.
why he’ll have a good camera lens combo and a sony camera
That’s a ridiculous price for the same lens as the 1st gen but a little faster AF and better coating.
It was an outrageous price increase for a mild update, even the earlier versions are pricey on the used market.
…and the I is about 1300. My point is if you need this lens, there’s a good chance you need SOTA autofocus as well. Hard sell if this focuses like the slow 24-240 at the tele end.
Then buy the Canon body and older lens, problem solved.
Less than $1800 new on eBay, the official price I think is $1949, still a great price for the best 70-200 lens.
That was a current price check on Amazon, it is a good value for an excellent lens.
… and it works quite good with the A7r2 after the last FW update from Metabones.
Bought a 70-200 2.8 L MKII mint/used last year for $1600 when the new price was $2400, it focuses pretty fast with the Metabones.
Lol that is what I’m expecting. I think I’m pretty happy with the F4 though. Ill get the bright lens for primes. I don’t know, it also depends on the size too. I really like the size of the F4.
Personally, the most irritating thing about this rumor is that I was already irked at Zeiss for not having their #$#% together, and trickling out such a paltry number of lenses when there’s clearly demand… now it’s possible that Sony is also waiting on THEM? SMH
Yeah, how dare Zeiss release anything before building a mega-factory in Asia.
Shame on them!
PS: You know Cosina manufacture their E-mount lenses, right? Maybe you should email Cosina and tell them to stop taking orders or build a bigger factory.
I thought there was a Sony 24-70 2.8? already in the works?
For FE? Nope. Not even a rumor. There’s some GM version floating around, but that’s probably not the f/2.8.
The GM rumored lens has been mentioned to be 2.8.
No, it was just the admin’s assumption, based on nothing. No source said that or anything.
Who the hell needs another 85mm???
I’m not a pro photographer and I’m expecting small lenses, not “ultra” aperture primes. 85mm F1,8 will be fine for me if it can be significantly smaller than a F1,4.
I’ve chosen a Sony A7 for it’s compactness, so I don’t want to carry lenses heavier than the body ! I assume many amateurs will agree with me.
If you don’t mind manual focusing the Samyang 85mm F1.4 is relatively compact, the Zeiss Batis 85mm f/1.8 is a good template for size reference for an autofocus F1.8. An F1.4 autofocus will be bigger yet. Might want to rent one and see if you can live with it.
Just have to wait when the Batis will become available, probably another year or so 😉
Yes, good advice, thanks, i’m considering the Batis 85mm F1,8.
If you’re all about light compactness, why not go with a crop sensor and the a6000?
FF glass, especially fast, is going to have some weight… Simple physics.
I’m about “as compact as possible in the full frame range”, even if I know I don’t need it. you’re totally right.
Also, I’m working in the bank industry and I want what’s best. Just because.
People! People!
Let’s just take a deep breath… let that sink in.
Long exhale now…
Repeat.
Hyperventilation all the way.
A Cheech and Chong quote no doubt.
“Is *that* a joint, man!?”
Dave’s not here man!!!
Actually, no, but glad to see someone knowing about them! Lived in the UK for 10+ years and they’re not so big here or in Europe.
They just down know what they’re missing.
Plenty of people in Europe know about Cheech & Chong. It’s not Mongolia.
Any FE 70-200/2.8 would likely cost more than the A-mount version – which is $2998 on Amazon right now. You can get the Canon 70-200 2.8 L MKII used for $1500 and ebay adapters for another $100, this is the route to go.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1394710/0?keyword=canon,70-200#13260913
You’d need A7R2, and the metabones adapter is $399, a $100 adapter won’t probably enable full AF capabilities. And without fast AF, the 70-200 f/2.8 doesn’t make much sense, does it?
Anyway, buying a new expensive lens specifically to use with an adapter is weird.
Not weird at all. I have the A7R2 and the MB adapter and the Canon EF 70-200mm F2.8L Mark II (which I had before buying the A7R2) and the AF performance is actually quite decent.
While I’d love to have a native FE 70-200mm F2.8 (if it is as sharp as the Canon) but it doesn’t yet exist does it?
Nothing wrong with using alternative lenses on the A7R2 while waiting for Sony to expand the FE lens options. Also missing longer tele lenses btw, using a Tamron 150-600mm for EF mount while waiting.
Wondering if you tried the Tamron on the Metabones? Will it AF?
It needs a contrasty subject and sometimes it hunts without being able to lock focus. But I haven’t tried it much (yet). Might be better with new MB firmware (helped for other lenses).
Exactly. You re using a lens you already had.
I have too. Sony don’t have anything that matches it,.
My point was, it’s weird to buy new expensive lenses specifically to use them with an adapter
That’s why you buy a canon body for telephoto work.
Yeah, the canon 70-200 f2.8 mii focuses beautifully with metabones IV. You loose out on eye focus, but face recognition works very effectively.
Weird, please. http://briansmith.com/sony-a7rii-canon-ef-smart-adapter-tests/
And you posted this review here why?
The Canon iq sucks in comparison.
What? The Canon MKII is the best 70-200 on the planet.
You clearly don’t own one 🙂 – it is one of the most incredible workhorses I ever had. If Sony can match the FE 70-200mm F2.8L II and keep it priced about the same you’ll see many more pros switching.
Yes please!
That’s lovely work Peter. How are you finding the EVF for your weddings?
In a world without the vertical grip, I would agree that large lenses just don’t work well with the a7 cameras. But, since we live in a world with the grip, I’m excited that the 70-200 f/2.8 should arrive someday soon.
I’ve been shooting the a7Rii for over a month now, and I love that it has two distinct personalities. With the vertical grip and some big, fast lenses (often with adapters), it’s a serious camera and handles great. I was even hand-holding it with the Sigma 150-600 Sport and it actually felt pretty good (though for sustained shooting, I’ll be using the monopod, just like with any other body). Without the vertical grip, you stick on the 35mm f/2.8 and it’s the perfect walk-around camera.
I’ve loved the flexibility (and sometimes forget it’s all the same camera).
I agree completely. When shooting events, I use the battery grip, which helps balance the camera with adapted lenses. When I want a walk-around, the 28mm or 55mm native lenses give me a tiny package with lots of resolving power.
Sounds like total BS.
I’d like an FE 85mm F1.2 to replace MB + Canon EF 85L 🙂
Is the 85mm a 1.8 with Zeiss cobrand? I hope it is faster: 1.4 at least. But 1.2 even better. Not likely. But an odd choice, given the Batis, if 1.8
I don’t get the logic in releasing another 85. There is already the awesome Zeiss Batis 85, the Sony G 90, and soon the 70-200 f2.8.
One word: Bokeh!
The Batis is F1.8 – I’d love to see an FE 1.2 (or at least an F1.4) version. The Sony 90mm is even slower. Mitakon has a 85m F1.2 but it is manual only. 70-200mm zooms tend to have have worse bokeh (they’re not ment to be “bokeh monsters”.
So there is definitely room for a FE 85mm F1.2 or F1.4 with OTUS like rendering but priced lower! Missing my EF 85L already 🙂
I can’t wait for the 70-200 f2.8. I just hope it somewhat reasonably priced.
Unless the AF motor is cheaper to produce versus the SSM2 motor, how much less than the [overpriced] FA 70-200 2.8 II can they logically charge? But then logically there may be an OSS module in it, which the FA lens lacks making it a more premium lens than the FA.
I am curious about the pricing… While Canon costs $2000, Nikon is $2400 and Sony-A is $3000, the Sony seems to be very overpriced considering it is the only one without IS.
Sony has released zero 85mm full frame e-mount lenses thus far.
And what about the wide aperture prime ?
Which one can we expect ?
Thanks, I love the EVF. It allows me to get accurate focus using manual focus glass too.
You are going from smaller camera to bigger ones.
Where is my A99 II announcment you talked about mid Oktober ?
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