There are a dozen of companies announcing new stuff today! The first news comes from Samsung. It’s interesting because it’s sets a new record of resolution on an APS-C sensor (28 megapixel). It is also the third company after Panasonic and Sony to offer 4K video recording on a mirrorless camera!
NX1 specs at BHphoto (Click here). More info and full press text at MirrorlessRumors (Click here).
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Sony, why UHS-II SD for A77 II?
You meant “why NO…” ??
No XAVC-S either…
Because screw A-Mount, apparently. All latest tech goes to mirrorless.
Will probably come with a FW update as for the RX10
@SAR_Admin The Empire strikes back (in January).
Right Andrea? 😉
Announcement in January and probable release in first half year means that tech specs are more or less completed – hw final design and fw improvements possible.
I hope Sony has everything under control.
In maybe 5 years or so we are no more talking about Canikon, instead we might say Somsang or Sany. 😉
Samny 🙂
WOW this thing looks nice, and so do the lenses available for it. Ok Sony, your turn! So good there is some real competition going on.
a smaller version of a typical dslr – im not impressed by its look…
24 or 28 MP… doesn’t make much difference.
But the real news, to me at least, is the LCD. AFAIK the first mirrorless with LCD display. Depending on shooting style, the display has the potential to save a lot of battery!
What do you mean by LCD display? Every other mirorrless on the market have a display, I think you meant something else perhaps?
He means the top mount LCD status display.
that’s right, I meant the top display. Standard on mid-level SLRs and up, but completely missing on CSCs, probably because there isn’t as much space. But as soon as you add a decent hand grip, like the Sonys and this thing have, you might as well give us the top LCD back. I always found it to be extremely useful on my old D90. You can check the camera setting while you’re raising the camera to your eye or on the tripod, it needs next to no power, and isn’t as bright as the rear screen in night photography or when you don’t want to stand out.
I bet we will see other CSC makers implement a top LCD soon.
You know you can always check your setting easily through an electrical viewfinder, right?
Yes of course. but that means you already have the camera up at your eye.
But I already see, I am in a minority regarding my liking of the top LCD, so maybe the camera manufactures actually have been well-advised to skip the thing.
Have to admit I rarely use it with my A77ii – far easier to use the main screen if I’m using a tripod.
I’ve never used the top LCD on my A77 and A77II, the flip up screen is far clearer and holds more information that could ever be put on the top LCD.
I never use the top display on my A77/A77 II as well.
I would rather it remove the top display
and replace it with extra wheel or buttons.
That thing is obsolete on any EVF camera. When I bought my A77, I really liked the fact that it had it, I had been using traditional OVF DSLR cameras earlier, with and without top LCD and I prefered the ones that had it. Now that I have used the camera a lot during a couple of years, I realize that display does nothing to very little for usability. All info I need is present on the back LCD or EVF. The only thing that top LCD can do is show battery status faster.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Samsung overtakes Sony in a couple years
Thankfully for cameras there’s more to it then just specs or higher numbers.
Though Sony should certainly improve their after sales rep (fulfil some customer firmware request for example)
It’s all about the megapixels and lenses basically, gimme a 100 megapixel FF with a slew of solid lenses Samsung in a slightly larger than e-mount diameter and a small mirrorless body
Money enough would be available 🙂
And if they release a 18/4 and a 85/1.8 at the start of the S7R I’d be in
Admin should also mention the new 50-150mm 2.8 lens and a whole other slew of impressive specs from this announcement.
Also, this is the first APS-C body that can record 4K internally (camera design).
This is going to be pretty amazing for video, hopefully theres not much rolling shutter
Well it has to down sample 28MP which isn’t going to be great unfortunately.
Well I’d still take 4k for video and 28MP.. who cares about pixel peeping video really.
There is no pixel peeping in video, what you see is what you get. If it is bad 4K (like many bad 1080p cameras) all you are getting is bad resolution but much bigger storage requirements. Who cares if it is 4K on the spec sheet?
Down-sampling to 4K is fine. It just reduces the spatial frequency to that required by 4K video by combining multiple inputs, but there are consequent gains in things like DR. The problem is that it will almost certainly be subsampling or what is often called, slightly inaccurately, as “line skipping”. That is much more problematical as it is a recipe for artifacts and has no upside save reducing the power consumption and data rate at the sensor.
All info points to pixel binning instead of line skipping. this apparently allows all of the focus detectors to work allowing for much faster and more accurate subject tracking.
Assuming the video area is approximately full width and the normal 16:9 aspect ratio, that would mean reading about 20 million photosites a frame, of about 500 million per second at 25fps (let alone 60fps). I don’t know of any consumer grade cameras that get anywhere near that level. The GH4, for instance, seems to manage around 240 million per second (as does the A7S).
I think line-skipping/sub-sampling is far more likely. Doubling read speed would be a major breakthrough and I would expect it to lead to heat and power consumption issues.
From someone who spoke to Samsung at Photokina…
“The Super 35mm sensor appears to deliver a very clean image free of moire and aliasing. I questioned Samsung on the readout resolution, because 28MP is a long way from the 8MP of 4K. 28MP is more like 7K! The answer had my jaw on the floor. Their sensor is able to do a full pixel readout at up to 30fps in 7K and so there’s no crop in 4K video mode. The image processor appears to be doing a very good job of scaling the 7K raw output from the sensor to 4K and Ultra HD”
http://www.eoshd.com/2014/09/photokina-report-day-1-samsung-nx1-4k-mirrorless-camera-h-265/
“The Super 35mm sensor appears to deliver a very clean image free of moire and aliasing. I questioned Samsung on the readout resolution, because 28MP is a long way from the 8MP of 4K. 28MP is more like 7K! The answer had my jaw on the floor. Their sensor is able to do a full pixel readout at up to 30fps in 7K and so there’s no crop in 4K video mode. The image processor appears to be doing a very good job of scaling the 7K raw output from the sensor to 4K and Ultra HD”
http://www.eoshd.com/2014/09/photokina-report-day-1-samsung-nx1-4k-mirrorless-camera-h-265/
BIG CODEC? hm? fpr shure not.
10 bit intern? why not?
artefactfree
lowlight
and so on?
and PRICE i give 449,90,- because this is SAMSUNG..
because as fast i close my moneybag 3, 4,5, mass of SAMSUNGS follow.
another worthless pice of nothing.
Whatever you want to say…
you lost me at BIG
LMFAO
Their use of HEVC is interesting, however the codec is much more CPU-intensive than AVC, so it’s quite possible that the camera records in some low-complexity profile which doesn’t mean much improvement. The sole info on HEVC without the actual profile and bitrate is rather meaningless.
Apart from that, seems like Samsung went the way of having the specs marginally better than Sony in most areas, but this probably will be unnoticable from the user’s perspective. I still prefer A6000 for stills due to its more compact size, an as for now, don’t give a dime about 4K recording.
Your a refart
In samsung, it seems numbers does matter. 205 phase detection points…whoa
Not going to jump ship, but I’m interested to see how it performs against the a6000. Meanwhile…will Sony loose the announcements race this year? Will it keep the high interest they earned with their fullframe cameras last year? Let’s see…
Lol, everyone and his mom has the tech to do higher MP sensors. Sony could make ~30mp sensors out of their 16mp m43 sensors. Canon’s 20mp DP sensor is technically a 40mp sensor.
The difference between 24mp and 28mp is so small that no one will be able to see the difference. Even the difference between 24mp and 36mp isn’t that huge and given the physical constraints of APS-C lenses, the difference between APS 24mp/36mp will be smaller than the difference between FF 24mp/36mp. Wake me up when we get 40mp APS sensors. That’ll actually bring some noticeable improvement over the tried and true 24mp.
some says that 28Mpx was necessary due to the BSI technology used in this sensor
of course, they have the tech, but it seems it’s not economically viable to make ~30mp sensor out of two m43 sensors. Or else we would have had 200 MP FF sensors long time ago.
Price should be around 1000$ per body and per 50-150/2.8 Only in this price range it’s interesting.
But for offered price it’s better to buy Sony A7 lineup even it’s less functions compared to NX1 such as touchscreen and faster AF…
But anyway NX1 looks much better than ugly sharp corners brick of A7… even if it’s mimic DSLR, it’s not bad.
And finally I have only one question, how did they solve problem of fast AF point switching? OK via touchscreen is good, but is it also has an ability to change it via back navi wheel? If yes, bravo samsung! That’s why I’ll never buy A7 because focus point change is painful compared to even prehistoric NEX 5N.
Heard of customizable buttons at the A7
Custom buttons doesn’t help. Needs one more movement all the time when I want to change AF. C1+selector wheel instead of simply selector wheel that directly control AF point move like any cheapest DSLR can do…(
I thought it is the fact that you find the menu awkward.
For my style I don’t need quick movement, as I use other focus points mainly for Studio arrangements where this little time does not matter.
However, I agree that it takes indeed some time. 🙂
Yes! Many people I know who switched from FF Sony DSLRs or NEX cameras doesn’t understand my complains about the way of focus point switching. Now I understand why) most of them bought A7 or A6000 cameras for hobby or for slow shooting and they use large size focus area with no problem) But not me) most of time use flexible spot and in this case NEX 5N for me is much more professional level camera than NEX 6-7-6000-A7. I’d tried to use NEX-7 for few days but can’t live with old DSLR focus recomposing technic. AF switching on it is terrible painful.
Maybe they don’t get where you need it so badly.
As mentioned I almost only use it in a studio.
For portrait shooting I prefer manual focus anyway.
And – also doing it my way I am only using the felxible spot centered. 🙂
Yes, but how do they help?
If I want to put the focus point 25% in from the left and 40% down from the top, can I do that without taking several seconds?
Couldn’t agree more about the price, but wait they are Samsung, they have the same strategy that Sony use, start high and few months later it will drop like s#*t.
Too megapixels = muddy ad aliased images. And horrible videos. The perfect balance megapixels for a camera is between 12 to 16. The perfect size is a A7s 35mm 12mp
100 hp on a car is perfect for almost every situation.
Having a viper with 600 hp makes more fun. 🙂
Many recent sensors show that this line of thinking is completely incorrect. The recent 24 MP sensors from Nikon outperform the earlier 16 MP APS-C sensors and the Nikon 36 MP sensor is currently one of the best available.
+1
100 years ago scientists said it will be impossible to drive faster than 25km/h because a human being would immediately become insane.
In the 70s someone well known said the world delivers business for approximately 10 to 12 computers.
etc.etc.
Semiconductors and filter technologies are improving every day. So unless we reach usage of nano technologies in our consumer products it will improve from gen to gen.
This, for one is what I agree upon..though entirely not accurate
So you forgot about the 12MP Sony A7S sensor…
No I didn’t. Sure its got better high ISO performance but last I checked most people click far far far more low ISO shots and it can’t compete with most other 35mm sensors in DR and color depth.
Send your CV to Samsung, they will hire you immediately!!
Too much megapixels? of course they are too much. would anyone need more than 16-18MP? few would. but it’s market after all, take this site for instance, everybody (including the admin) is dying for 50MP sensor and few of them will prints larger than A3 size. but there will always be peepers 🙂
The correct term here is “restarts”.
Is that just a DSLR shaped camera without a mirror? Really don’t see the point myself, can imagine videographers might like that it’s 4K, but for that surely you don’t need 28mp sensor.
Is this just standard Samesong’s thing with outspeccing everything everywhere yet providing no aftersales support and mediocre user experience?
I don’t even understand why Samsung wants to get in this market as they’re generally more of fast life cycle product company.
The first question that comes to mind is can thia be used with Canon and Nikon lenses.
If yes than are they fully functional in terms of fast focus, stabilization etc.
If Samsung can do all that they may actually have a competitive system..if it only takes Samsung lenses they will have a much tougher time.
This development bears whaching.
I have long been saying sony should scale up thier BSI sensor…I guess someone else has been listening.
Why would Canon or Nikon lenses be fully functional on a Samsung camera ?
Just like Sony you need adapters for Nikon and Canon lenses to work. All these adapters offer different levels of functionality.
No, but they come with a spell checker. How do you whach a camera? I’d love to know: is it even legal?
What planet are you living on? Why would it be compatible with Canikon lenses?
Canon and Nikon have a very credible line of lenses..plus 3rd party lenses for thier system.
Samsung does not have a credible line of lenses.
If this camera is to suceed it will need to be FULLY functional with other lenses via an adaptor.
Sony has taken the route of allowing use of other lenses but only in the semi funtional crippled autofocus mode.
This is to coerce people into gradually replacing thier lenses with native E mount lenses even though they have no legitamate reason to do so.
If Samsung camera can match or exceed Sony perfomance/price/value people can simply buy into it by buying just yhe camera and Samsung could possibly clobber E mount just like they did with Sony tvs…of course Vizio is soon going to clobber Samsung tvs.
It would be a HUGE mistake for Sony to ignore Samsung again…And it would be a HUGER mistake to continue to ignore the concerns of thier own A mount customers who may become Samsung customers.
“If this camera is to suceed it will need to be FULLY functional with other lenses via an adaptor.”
Barry, that isn’t going to happen.
Why do you have to put every single one of your brain farts into writing?
Yeah I am sure they have set up an email alert for your posts…
Yeah, Barry’s a real Walter Mitty type.
Either that or he is seriously narcissistic, which is probably worse.
The issue with the NX1 is all about lenses according to this comparison to Canon: http://thenewcamera.com/tag/samsung-nx1/. There’s only a 16-50mm f/2-2.8 out and 2-3 more expected soon. Samsung has proved with other consumer electronics they have the patience, deep pockets, engineering chops, etc. to take over a market. Still, I typically write them off in ILCs because it’s a stagnating business where most consumers have already stuck their stakes in the ground by putting serious scratch into an existing system thus are reluctant to swap without compelling reason.
The fanboy trolls will probably jump me again, but this gets back to my “meh” attitude towards the a77II. On paper the Samsung NX1 is maybe the camera Sony should have built but their marketing department was too busy eating glazed donuts at e-mount planning sessions to bother strategizing on a-mount differentiation.
Sure, a 28mp sensor – which Samsung has been talking about for a while because I brought it up in my whines over the boring a77II sensor refresh – is only a small bump in detail but when you combine that with 4k (another thing Sony slumbered on) and 15 FPS burst mode makes the a77II – again, on paper – look a step behind.
In the end, the NX1 isn’t going to sell because there’s no system back-up. Good luck mounting your Sigma 150-600mm on it with full AF.
…Why do all screens on cameras keep the fugly bezel while all is being done to shrink it on phones? This shouldn’t happen, especially with a company like Samsung, who has all that screen tech.
50-150 f2.8, 85 f1.4, 16-50 f2-2.8… Why can’t Sony do this for its Nex system ? I still have some reluctance about going Samsung, but damn, they know how to have an interesting lens set for their system !
Let’s ask Metabones for NX-NEX adapter instead 😀
Not metabones) We just need simple electronic converter from NX mount to E mount, flange distance allow it 25mm samsung and 18mm E mount makes adaptor very thin. Only problem is electronic. Hop it can be solved by reverse engineering of NX lens control protocol.
AF EOS-E mount adaptors is not problem at all, so why NX-E mount is problem?
If someone will make it I’ll definitely buy it first for use with NX 85/1.4 ED SSA and new 50-150/2.8
Lenses is the area where Samsung is more clever than Sony.
They already have had a good assortment at the start of their first ML.
Until now Samsung was an innocuous player on the overall camera market.
This NX1 has what it takes to intrigue upgraders who have the need for the bundled package of features. Price is attractive though.
Sony needs to take care and not to feel too safe.
I hear the 85mm lens they have is very good. I don’t think I would buy a samsung, other than a phone but I will keep a eye on them,cause you never know.
It appears Samsung have half a clue as to what the public wants and delivers.. not just feed us whatever they feel like
samsung is doing the job
last release from canon 7d2 is a shame
they keep new features for tomorow
ok
so if you get a new camera today
it’ll be in your bin next year
samsung should release FF too
i don’t see people taking Samsung cameras seriously at the moment
They said the same thing about Samsung TVs and Samsung phones…
so far only on Android powered smartphones that Samsung been able to dominate but not for too long as more Android powered solidly-built alternatives are now out there to eat chunks of the Android marketshare. Samsung was not always the best in every product category as they mainly undercut their competition in pricing in most cases, and luckily they were ahead of the Android smartphone game immediately after the success of the iphone but people are starting to realise that there are better alternatives out there. Samsung is getting desperate to wanting to play with the big boys in prosumer photography but they can’t crack the big 3 (Nikon, Canon, Sony) aside from other strong (japanese) players in terms of tech innovation and real world application.
In pro there is no big 3, it’s just Canon and Nikon specifically in sports. when was the last time you saw Sony gear in a stadium?
wet in your dreams, sportsfan
Very classy, how old are you?
how old is your grandpa?
He’s about 12 judging by his attitude. We’ll see how the market shakes out but I wouldn’t dismiss any player just yet.
12 is the count of your brain cells Punjab
Well that’s 11 more than you have then lol
sorry i’ve overestimated your level of literacy..Punjabs worship rats
Sports is not the only pro photography segment.
Studio? Hasselblad, Leaf, Mamiya, Canon, Nikon, Leica, Sony.
Photojournalism? Nikon, Canon, Sony, Leica, Olympus, Panasonic.
Portraiture? Anything you want, even Holga.
And so on…
Samsung is other than the three big ones not Japanese.
And that is their differentiator.
Japanese companies do not like risk in any way very much. So even with having good ideas it is somehow hard to get such ideas to the market.
Sony is in fact more open than many others, but still conservative.
Samsung is different in that way that they are always keen to risk something for their ideas.
Where have they risked on what idea that was new?
ISOCELL is a different way to say “BSI”
Samsung did not bring an all touch smartphone before the iphone.
What did Samsung do for television before their partnership with Sony? other than price…?
What about washing machines? Why are they not as recognized as Miele or Bosch?
In professional photography monitors, Samsung has been trying to sell their PLS technology as an improved IPS technology but their light leaking and uneven illumination still lags behind.
It doesn’t matter where the company is from if the focus is almost always in pricing competition and novelty selling.
The core of the product must be key and, for whatever Sony’s blunders have been in the past, at least Sony and Panasonic are honing into that.
Ideas not meant equal to own developments.
How did they grab the smartphone market – bringing one after another, and when the fas base is big enough copying a marketing strategy à la Apple. We can complain that this is ethically dubious but economically clever, don’t you agree?
In current times you can’t really reinvent the wheel, you just design it a bit different. That’s business as usual, and everybody is doing.
The smartphone market is not the same as the photography market.
Developments are based on ideas.
If you have no idea, you can’t develop anything or expect others to choose you from your competition.
So what will make people go for a mount that, unarguably, has a few good lenses but no great ones.
That 30mm is barely comparable (20mp test vs 24mp) to Sony’s own 35mm at photozone and it even has OSS and its 1/3 stop faster.
Sony’s 50mm 1.8 is better performing across the frame and it is also a 1.3 stops faster than Samsung’s 60mm.
The 20mm is a 2.8 lens and cant even be compared to the exceptional Zeiss 24mm 1.8.
I don’t care for zooms on small systems so I can’t comment on that.
For what it’s worth, there is simply no compelling case to choose Samsung vs Sony, Fuji, Olympus, Panasonic, Canon, Nikon, etc.
I forgot to mention that Photozone disfavors Sony…
You forgot to include Olympus and Panasonic since m43 is a huge system on its own that focuses on pure stills (Olympus) or pure video (Panasonic) and anyone looking into that system with a priority on either will immediately know where to aim.
I have heard that argument before, though, about Samsung gaining market share on any segment based on pricing. I don’t know how they are doing in the smartphone market today but I do know that it was Samsung and HTC that pushed Android like a rocket to dominate that market in just a couple of years after the iPhone.
The difference between smartphones and cameras, though, is that the price category they are in is mostly beyond gadget amateur, so you need to convince an enthusiast (that has at least another 5 other companies in mind, all excellently capable) to buy their product at the same price point.
I did mention other Japanese players. with regards to camera system, Samsung doesn’t understand this market where price is not a differentiator let alone tech innovation and practical application
This.
The, This, That, whatever
Samsung gained market share through stealing technology from other companies that they components for. Hence all the law suits over the last few years. Now those same companies are getting their components from elsewhere and Samsung’s market share has stagnated…and in the case of smart phones dropped…
Samsung is and always will be a second division manufacturer.
Its TVs appealed to the masses for a few years, but as always with Samsung, they were not genuinely high quality products.
The problem is that Samsung is a follower, not an innovator.
try Sony phones vs Samsung phones and then Sony TVs vs Samsung TVs. I am not advocating their product quality nor I use their products other than my main TV (since my Sony became secondary), but they managed to be on the top weather we like it or not. the bottom line is if I am in the market today looking for APS-C mirrorless I would choose Samsung regarding what they offer in terms of lenses comapring to Sony, and regarding that they will last longer comparing to Fuji.
Sony TVs absolutely whoop Samsung TVs.
yeah, I dumped my LAGful and overheating S4 back then with that awful Touchwiz or should I call LAGwiz
Why? The use of a first APS-C BSI sensor makes them a “follower” instead of an “innovator”? 😉
The NX1 also appears to have a real chassis unlike the NEX’ or Alphas which a few plates put together.
This NX1 could be the first one to be taken serious.
Still, NO
they need another brand for serious camera division.
im not taking the same camera brand as my kitchen appliance
unfortunately Samsung brand connotes second rate hardwares
impressive specs, but i’m curious if the video quality is comparable to the A7S or GH4. my NX300 has horrible video quality. lots of moire, aliasing and artefacts.
when it comes to design though, with the exception of the NX200/NX300, they have no taste, absolutely no taste.
samsung trolls would hate you for that…
I guess it has to prove good quality in order to be accepted as a serious video capturing tool.
According to its price and specs it seems Samsung aims to place it near the GH4.
The only reviews up for the NX1 show an auto focus system that hunts and lenses made of plastic…Better luck next year Samsung…
And if they put Sony on the case instead of Samsung you’d take 2. ;^)
No…It’s not full frame so wouldn’t touch it…whoever made it…Did I mention it’s not full frame??
not sure if comments relevant to a aps-c camera post..
Did I mention it’s not full frame…?
I don’t know why people are impressed by this NX thing. it is just lame…
Sony made APS-C in a smaller body and not to mention the A7 series.
I just feel that most people have a grudge over Sony. If they make a lens too big people complain aimlessly (they don’t complain with other huge lens by other brand, OTUS, perhaps?), if they make a body too small, they like got insulted. And the list kept going… this is sad…
Plenty are been complain about OTUS, population are tire out of pattience with the sonny lenses roadmaps which was over optimisms and under deliveries. If new lense good and fill in shoot blanks it will very welcoming, if fail then there be big whoopies. Just businesses.
I think it is not lame. The specs are up to date and it will for sure intrigue some people.
For me it is just interesting if this thing will raise competition.
And competition brings innovations, and innovations make us enthusiasts and pros happy. That simple.
The proof will be the the pudding/sensor…
Yup, in conjunction with the touted AF. Looking forward to test results from the reviewers.
Well, correct me if I’m wrong, the big highlight must be the new 28MP sensor but for what I know, why most Camera company don’t go up to 28MP is that 24MP (6000×4000) vs 28MP (6480 x 4320) is just insignificant.
It is pure marketing stuff… and why no one complain about the lens size like what they complain with Sony’s?
No it is not the sensor or resolution.
It is the whole consistent system that brand independant people coud by.
A full featured camera, a complete set of lenses for all purposes and necessary accessories like a flashgun etc.
Why complaining on lens size? If a lens is too big for my taste I don’t buy it.
Try being objectively.
Have you seriously NOT seen the results of higher MPx on images?
I think you need to wake up and smell the roses.
The smoother gradation and higher sharpness is just to die for.
Why do you think the Nikon D800/E/810 are so popular and why do you think Sony supposedly has higher megapixels in the offing?
Dude, what I mean 24MP (6000×4000) vs 28MP (6480 x 4320) 480px dif. is so little. For a printing standpoint, the difference is so insignificant. I do product shots on 24MP FF A850 and 24MP A77 and I hope I have a A7R around since it is E-mount which I might consider invest in. I did not say high MP is bad, it is important. Just that the 28MP difference will mostly mislead most ppl~
That’s why 50MP medium format is still around
I think just the 153 cross type AF point and the first BSI APSC sensor will put the NX1 in the class leader for a while.
Samsung actually beat Sony to getting a pro APS-C body and fast zoom lens to the market. Who would of thought?
Sony, get your **** together!!!
True… Samsung body and Samyang lenses plus Samyang fried spicy chicken noodles is going to be a tough combination to beat in the future
What a lame ad hominem. Whatever though, at the end of the day, Sony users will probably never see an f/2.8 zoom for APS-C or FF on their mirrorless camera bodies.
probably…
Most probably you are extremely uncool and uncouth judging by your closed minded opinion
most probably are you
you are a very childish fool with such biased opinions without even using the product. Obvious to all..
Childish is your last name Punjab
You might be surprised. If the touted AF and image quality specs live up to the hype, we’ll have a new major player in the market.
hype it all.the way to the moon and let Pro users decide
mirrorless cams that look like DSLRs, what s the point?
Ergonomics that don’t totally suck? Just a wild guess. ;^)
just because you suck at mirrorless’s ergonomics, it doesnot mean other people are just as lamed 🙂
Oh yeah, certainly never seen any pro reviews make my point before. Seriously?
Huge hands eh….I’m sorry, life must be tough…
I have been using an A7 as backup to my A99s while they are being serviced and yeah the ergonomics are shite in comparison. Maybe if you’re walking around shooting butterflies you are fine but if you are shooting a 10 hour event, its something else. I have to use a bracket to mount a flash and pocket wizard simultaneously, coupled with F2.8 glass this is quite an unstable system.
Using the camera with small lenses is fine, but lets not pretend like the ergonomics are amazing (or even take comfort into consideration)- portability has its compromises.
If this can use Canikon lenses in a fully functional mode rather than a deliberately crippled by Sony mode Sony could be in big trouble.
But it can’t, so Sony will not be in big trouble.
Canikon isn’t going to license their mount to Samsung. You’re looking at adapters most of which don’t support AF and the one for Canon I read about supporting AF wasn’t very good at it.
Barry, if you’re looking for something to mount a Sigma 150-600mm S on I’d recommend a used Nikon D7100 which would give you the same Sony sensor as your a77. Sigma might ship it in a Canon mount first so you could consider the coming Canon 7DMII but that’s going to cost you and is a pig in a poke until good review sites cover it.
For me a lot depends on how the contemporary model performs.
Yeah, we’ve talked about this before. Just say’n if that’s the motivation behind your sudden interest in competing mounts. Otherwise, I see no reason for you to jump ship from your fine a77II to a Samsung with some slightly buffed on paper stats.
thats why we are waiting for z-shift autofocus
Well, it would be nice to get a shutter release that’s comfortably placed forward of the body and on a slope.
Maybe somebody could do an add on for the A7, give it half-decent shutter ergonomics like DSLRs have had for 20 years.
Seriously, I love that Sony have made such small cameras with excellent image quality, but… They could use some design refinement.
No 25p UHD? Really?
WOW! Such negativity from the Sony fans. You guys should be happy that someone else is upping their game. Competition is a good thing for consumers. Maybe we’ll see a 4k APS-C camera from Sony soon, maybe the a6100
+1
It’s sad, that Sony fans are doing exactly same thing, as Canikon fans talking about Sony cameras.
Smart of Andrea to post this as it was sure to produce a lot of web site hits.
nowadays most tech sites comments’ section are in a sad state where Samsung (desperately) attempts to market their products employing trolls to plagiarise any decent discussion about markets, products, and technology
Very nice specs. This will be better than most, if not all NEX cameras. But in the end, it probably wont sell all that well. The same reasons the high end market avoids sony will apply to samsung. The people why buy that type of camera want a system. Maybe samsung will use their resources better and just dump out a bunch of lenses but as of now, realing one advanced camera isnt going to pull many over.
Exactly.
You must be blind or just plain stupid….or just a poser. This Samshit is at least twice as big as a NEX. NEX are known for their superb image quality and they are SMALL…kinda like your brain. What is Samshit known for in the camera world….oh, nothing….kinda like your brain. 😀
I don’t get the complaints about Samsung’s lenses. They have good and very well priced lenses and selection. The 16-50 f/2-2.8 has distortion on the wide side, but that can be corrected and still be at a straight 18mm. According to past reviews, Samsung’s real problem has boiled down to clunky operation especially due to too small of a buffer. If they can get the PDAF working right, they very well could have a winner. Have this shape for the big lenses and the upcoming NX400 for the small lenses/backup. Keep your eyes on Samsung. They might be coming up in the rear view mirror faster than you realize.
Such high-resolution sensors being possible to manufacture does not mean that any lenses can be made that can take full advantage of 28MP on APS-C. Reminds of road-legal supercars going 200+ mph top speed stuck in traffic jams.
Samsung again getting ready for Lawsuit with dials like Nikon.
what is the point of this camera , its not a FF , with big heavy lenses it is same as a dslr , why would i buy this and not a Canon , nikon system , They dont have lenses to support the “AF” system ( if its not all hype) , i would rather have samsung make a Camera for complete manual lens use , maybe with interchangeable mounts for Leica, pentax ,Nikon , fd etc. Maybe one with a Built in focal reducer and priced at same price as Sony a5000 .No one will buy this other than Fanboys and Koreans.
This is what im expecting from A77-II
cmon sony Respond to this spec,.. i know you can do better.
bravo Samsung, digital photography are electronic things afterall.
A year after the a6000 refresh which is so far out it hasn’t even showed up in the SAR SR1 rumor roadmap.
Just going to sit and wait until people actually puts their hands on it and do some real test… spec can mean a lot… end of the day, its what it can do….. My thoughts on it…. it looks ugly…. saw few videos on youtube… touchscreen seems lags a bit…. now 15fps, is that raw or jpeg?….
RAW 12-bit or 10 FPS RAW 14 bit. As far as i can tell no word on the buffer depth
Any chances for A58 mII with bionz X processor?
All these posers drooling over Specs. Specs are nothing without image quality. Samsung is not known for image quality.
A77-II is about $400 less and proven itself.
The new Canon 7D II is just about $300 more and has 69 CROSS-TYPE auto-focus. I would take this over 200+ Phase Detects. And, they have proven itself.
So, before the flipflopping fanboys gets a boner, wait for the images and tests.
I don’t know about you guys, but I’ll glady take the 12MP A7S FullFrame sensor over this any day!, at least in the forseable future. APS-C Is just a stop gap for the real thing, no matter how many megapixels. And I tell you this as a Sony A58 user.
If you look closer the NX-1 also has 153 cross-type sensors and about 50 single plane sensors in addition to the 209 phase detect sensors and all are working together in both still image and video capture. Not saying it will be better than the A77-2 but will almost certainly be better than the a6000. Really surprised Samsung beat Sony to the BSI APS-c sensor format though. Will be really interesting to see how Samsung has leveraged their cell phone processor technology for the image processor compared to Bionz-x. As a former Nikon shooter who was planning to jump to Sony for the A77-2 and was planning on pairing it with the 16-50 2.8 and Sigma 50-150 the NX-1 has my attention. Lots of “current tech” AC wifi, USB 3.0 better BT, a good remote control app, both headphone and mic inputs, UHS-2 card compatibility and 4k video – things we now ( with the lackluster reveal of the canon 7d-2) probably wont see from Sony, canon, or Nikon in APS-C for at least 2 more years. Not saying it is enough to sway from the big 3 but Samsung is coming out punching like Tesla or Hyundai have recently to make a car comparison.
Yeah all that with A-mount lenses. That is the wrong set up…