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Fstoppers posted a Sony A7R II vs Canon 5DS R vs Nikon D810 Camera Shootout (video above). The conclusion is that switching system for the A7rII is yet not recommended:
The Sony A7RII is a great camera. If you don’t already have a lot of money invested in a camera system and 2.8 lenses aren’t a necessity right now, the A7RII may be a fantastic choice. I just didn’t feel like the Sony was able to outperform the DSLR competitors in an area other than 4k video recording. That leads me to conclude that the A7RII isn’t actually better than the D810 or 5DSR, it’s just a really great smaller option.
Sony 14 bit RAW. First impressions (DearSusans).
PIX2015 – Sony Alpha 7R II Technology at the Sony Booth by Dpreview.
Color test @ daylight ACR RAW by Marcio Cabral.
Hello, new to forum Canon user looking at A7RII (SonyAlphaForum).
Minolta 28-135 F4-4.5 (Handshake) on A7Rii w/ LAEA4 (SonyAlphaForum).
SONY A7RII + SEL28135G 4K Birds at the Beach (Youtube).
Shooting family portraits with the Sony a7RII and Zeiss & Canon lenses (movetomirrorless).
A7rII review at Chromadic.
Ongoing reviews of Leica M mount lenses on SONY A7RM2 from 12 – 135 mm at German DSLRforum.
Dave: “Sony sent me an A7rII to try because I was considering dumping my Nikons and Fuji X T1 for their system. I used it on a big photo shoot up in Duluth, Superior, Bayfield and Northern Wisconsin. I loved the camera, but one deal breaking feature has stopped me from making the switch: the camera won’t shoot when writing to the card. So close to selling all my other gear, but that is a flaw I can’t live with. http://wisconsinbikefed.org/2015/10/09/testing-the-sony-a7rii-on-the-camba-and-coggs-trails/”
A7rII store list:
In USA at Amazon, BHphoto, Adorama, SonyStore US, FocusCamera, Uniquephoto.
In Europe at Amazon DE, Amazon UK, Wex UK and ParkCameras.
In Asia at Digitalrev, CameraPro.
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That seems like he never tried to learn about the product in the first place, ignoring the new mount, ignoring the adapter compatibility, stopped down lens against wide open, never talk about the new AF capabilities…
They try to emulate DRTV but at least they know what they are testing.
anyway, i like the style of this video. It’s a quite amusing way to illustrate his point, regardless of what it was.
Bought one yesterday from this seller – same deal. Did received tracking number this morning. Hope the camera is as good as stated in their auction 🙂
Got the wrong impression at the start of the video, thought the presenter was an idiot. In reality he’s just acting like an idiot.
His website is a bit fun to read through. https://fstoppers.com/originals/fstoppers-reviews-canon-5dsr-sony-a7rii-and-nikon-d810-89896
These sales always happen a week before payday, and I can never get one. 🙁
Didn’t know that the a7r mk2 couldn’t take photos when writing to the card. The a7r never stops me but the Fuji x-pro 1 halted me constantly.
That was a terribly old camera you are comparing to.
Why did FStoppers use fake large hands for the a7R II handling/ergonomics portion, and not turn off vignetting correction on the a7R II for the Raw DR test (which led to the horrible banding)?
Seriously Rishi… when did you start running with the low brow crowd here at SAR?
Please don’t lower yourself, your brand, your identity… by associating with the bottom feeders. It’s unbecoming of such a respected, and trusted kit reporter. SAR is the bane of photo forums. tHe CrAiGsLiSt of ShutterThug rumors. Everybody’s drunk here.
We count on you for sober inspection. Please continue your good work at DPR. Stay far away from this driveling barbiturate nonsensical circus. It’s contagious my friend. We don’t want to see you rolling in the gutter with the rest of us. Get out while you can. Stay clean and pure. You must. You may be our last hope.
Consider yourself warned.
Because they needed to impeded the A7R II score which would have eclipsed both of the other products. One of which was a sponsor for the reviewer. And so, they did whatever it took to avoid that. 🙂
Thank you Yoda.
ergonomics is very objective. I don’t think there is a body that would be embraced by every single person in the world.
I never noticed that the A7RII doesn’t let you shoot while writing to the card?! It doesn’t let you view the images, yes. But shooting was never a problem for me…
I’m also curious about this. Will give this a test tomorrow. I’ve only ever had problems viewing the image, or going into the menus (which you should avoid at all costs :), not continuing to shoot.
Don’t bother, the “review” is BS. I have a A7RII in my hand now. When I squeeze off a number of shots quickly, the write LED is lit constantly, but I can still shoot at will. As long as the buffer is not filled, you can shoot as much as you like.
Freddo, when I had the A7rII it would block the EVS with a “Writing to Card” image and I could not even see to press the shutter until it finished writing. This was with the fast card that Sony supplied me with when they sent me the camera. I asked one of the Sony shooters about this and he told me it was a problem. Perhaps there is a setting somewhere in the menu that changes this. If so, I’d love to learn what it is. I would buy an A7rII tomorrow if I could get past that problem. I returned the loaner camera though, so I don’t have one to hold.
If you have a really poor card (actually, Sony’s cards are not very good in my experience), the buffer itself will fill up fast, and clearing it will be very slow. If the buffer is full, you won’t be able to shoot. But if you wait a couple seconds, you should at least be able to shoot one more shot, as one shot should’ve cleared from the buffer (at least) in a couple seconds…
Best bet is to try the Lexar SDXC UHS-II / U3 card – I use the one that’s 150MB/s write speed. Probably a bit overkill, but the buffer does clear fast, and I’m able to continue shooting very soon after the buffer fills up. I definitely don’t have to wait for the buffer to clear (red light to go off) before taking another shot – that would be horrible. I didn’t have to change any menu setting for this either… Hope this helps!
Rishi, no way was the buffer full. I would shoot 3-5 frames as the lead rider in the group passed, pause to shoot the next rider and get the writing to card warning so I couldn’t see through the EVF. Like in the photo I embedded, when I shot a handful of frames of the lead rider and then paused to wait for the second rider to get in the right position I was unable to see through the EVF. I could hold the button down and blast away until both riders passed, indicating a big buffer, but if I paused the camera began to write and I could not see through the EVF.
I believe the card that came with the camera was 95MB/s. As I said, I’d love to find out this was user error, but it doesn’t happen with any of the Nikon, Fuji or Canon bodies I use regularly. Hopefully Patrick Murphy Racey, the pal of mine who is one of the Sony Artisans of Imagery (he is a little embarrassed by the title too) can respond here with the facts from the Sony position.
He and I did discuss the problem after I got back from the shoot and had already returned the A7rII. I was really hoping I would like it enough to buy one and dump both my Nikon and Fuji gear, so this is not just some anti-Sony thread.
Understood it’s not an anti-Sony thread. 🙂 This is interesting – I wonder if some cameras have issues? None of our cameras (we have 3 of them) have this issue, so perhaps try and give another one a try? Definitely don’t discount the system based off of this, as I haven’t encountered a single body with this error… maybe it was some preproduction bodies that had the issue? Try and give another one a try if you can, perhaps in a B&M store? We interviewed Patrick Murphy Racey when he was here for PIX – nice guy.
Thanks for checking on this for me. I will definitely give another A7Rii a try with a little bit better card too.
Rishi, I’d love to know if I only had a menu setting wrong and the camera will fire. My experience was as I described, shoot a handful of frames of someone riding toward me, finger off the shutter to wait until the next rider came into view, and the EVF shows “writing to card” and I could not even see the next rider until he was past me. I missed a bunch of shots like this. Granted I only had a loaner camera for a week, but I was not able to figure out how to get past this problem. I’d love to hear that I was doing something wrong and it was user error.
It’ll only stop if the buffer is full, then obviously it’ll slow down as it clears. The limiting factor is write speed on your sd card, which is something manufacturers can be a bit shy on publishing…
Every camera writes data to a buffer first and from there to the memory card. Is there any camera that does not stop shooting while the buffer is at its limit?
Into 12:40s of the video, he admitted he did some stupid tests. It is what it is. A stupid video shootout from Fstoppers.
Fstoppers – another good example of the infantilization of US-American society. Adults acting and speaking like children.
The A7 series bodies are good for “street photography”, but when it comes to some situations, it is clear that Sony needs to put all that tech in a bigger DSLR body (whatever it might be: A or E mounts)… overheating, battery life, ergonomics… all those issues need to be adressed sooner or later if Sony wants to attract the hardcore canikon users. I can see some of the points of the Fstoppers reviewer.
The A7Rii and A7S are also very good for concert photography because of their silent mode!
Or, for that matter any performance. Dance, theatre and so on.
Weddings. One of the reasons I want it.
yep – any performance where quietness is in order (I would count a wedding ceremony as such). It would not surprise me that it’s going to become the norm in the future.
I expect future DSLRs to offer silent shutter too but, of course, that’s only going to work in liveview mode so framing will be by the rear screen. I also expect that a future A-Mount might offer it too (and as they use EVFs the viewfinder can be used).
Here the D810 is already working for most situations I encounter. But still the A7rii silent shutter is preferable.
For wildlife, too!
Talk about fat body and ignores the vertical grip that solves ergo and battery life. And doesn’t seem to understand that overheating is a video only issue and one that not everyone was able to replicate in their units.
thought that was pretty good.
Although. Moaning about the size of it because you have big hands makes as much sense as moaning about the larger cameras because you have small hands.
The menu system is moot as everything of note is easy to set up via the function menu.
Battery life also moot. You can add a battery grip, it fall in line with the size of the other cameras with as much power. And unlike the other cameras you cannot choose to make them smaller by removing part of the camera.
Mentioning how good AF is is fine. But why no mention of face/eye detection?
Lack of 24-70 is a bit shortsighted, but let’s be serious it’s something that will be fixed.
Why no mention of the Sony’s viewfinder. With on image info like zebras, histogram all via the viewfinder. And did they compare the viewfinders in low light.
Buying the wrong lens is funny, but not a criticism of the camera. Im yet to buy the wrong lens for any of my kit.
Im quite happy with the other cameras coming top, but I feel there was little to no focus on the negatives of the other systems and all the focus was on the shortcomings, or the perceived shortcomings of the Sony.
The A7Rii is the stellar camera of 2015. No other camera this year has created so much hype. In my opinion to highlight the weak points of the camera and the lack of E-Mount lenses, is always going to be better than only focusing on (fanboys) good points. Let’s not forget what happened to Canon after the 5Dm2. We need not to stop being critic, that will keep Sony innovating. These are coorporations that what they do, they do it not for the sake of photography but for the sake of their rich stockholders’ bank accounts. So, if they are reminded what is missing and why they could be making even more money, that will eventually push them to adress the flaws. And we all are going to benefit from that 🙂
right price for A7Rii is 2000$ with tax
You mean production cost? I agree.
Be the change you want to see on SAR!
Anyone that knows anything about the new technology that A7SII has come up with, will know they didn’t include half a dozen things Canon or Nikon doesn’t even have, to compare! Because you cant compare. That says enough. On the bright side I had some great laughs watching the biased video.
Overheating is an issue for a professional video camera. Even if it doesn’t trigger protection, high temp building-up inside the body means your cmos would degenerate much quicker.
This video is just ridiculous…
They didn’t even know that mirorless sony camera have a different mount ?!
How could they imagine it was the same A-mount with a sensor that is much closer to the mount ?!
Couldn’t they use manual focus + adapter with the same lense for most other test ?!
Couldn’t you order a LA-EA3 adapter for the A-Mount lense ?!
WTF ARE THESE HUGE PLASTIC FAAAKE HANDS for ergonomic testing ?!
I stopped the video there, wasting my time.
Maybe these guys should look for a new job.
Why would they?
They are Nikon promoters.
And by the looks of it, very good ones. 🙂
The tests did raise questions as to what happened to the A7R II when they raised the shadows in the backlight night scene. ie, why was the A7R II showing green rings like that? I have never seen this on my own camera.
Shading compensation creates odd artifacts like that; we’ve noticed it as well. Simple solution though: turn shading compensation off under ‘Lens Corrections’. We make sure it’s off in our dynamic range tests.
For photographers using long (and I mean long) lenses on a tripod, the choice is clear. The late Fritz Pölking showed very clearly that mirror-lock up is far more important than having IS for getting tack sharp pictures. Mirror-lock up is a bummer if you need to react quickly because it delays exposure. So why bother with a camera that has a mirror built in. You may say SLTs have fixed mirrors. True. But with phase-detection AF available in mirrorless cameras why bother? So, as far as I am concerned, Canon and Nikon can keep their stuff.
First and foremost the crew over at F-Stoppers is blatantly lying. Blatantly.
They ‘claim’ that they did not use an adaptor because they wanted to ‘not give the other manufacturers an advantage’ because an ‘adaptor would be ‘less sharp’ (All quoted over on their comments of this video.
at 1.01 did anyone really notice which adaptor they were trying to outfit the Tamron with? I did, it is in fact a SPEEDBOOSTER, the adaptor they researched, purchased from B&H, and attempted to use on the A7rii for an ‘all things equal’ shootout.
It wasn’t that he didn’t know what lens the most relevant ILC platform is using that got me, or the fact that they quipped about overheating in 4k when neither of the other cameras even do that. It was that they are claiming so diligently that ‘they didn’t use the adaptor to be fair to sony’ when they didn’t even know which adaptor they had.
In their comments section you will also see these blatant falsehoods, quoted by them directly:
Fstoppers 3 weeks ago
+Marcelo Tezza Dynamic Range test was done at ISO 100 where the most DR is found even if under exposed. As you increase ISO you lose DR. –
(not true, from the native iso this rings true, but not from iso 100, this is not new information)
Fstoppers 3 weeks ago
+Delduked the fake hands was more about the joke than being biased. When I
Having to use an adapter is definitely a disadvantage to a system, I don’t see how you can spin that into a good thing. And to be fair, you can buy adapters to use any lens on any camera so that isn’t unique to the Sony.
Also not true.
Fstoppers 3 weeks ago
+FanaticDrummer we knew about the 35mm mode but that crops you entire wide angle view and we felt it gave an unfair advantage to the other cameras. I know Nikon has a 1.5 crop but I’m not sure about the Sony.
Not true, because had they ‘known’ anything about the products they so diligently researched before purchasing (sarcasm) they would have known they actually had the solution to the cropping of the entire wide angle view (he was referencing video btw). It was the SPEEDBOOSTER they accidentally bought and tried to put on the camera within the first minute of the video.
Their comments are wrought with egotistical comments about being one of the biggest and best websites in their photographic community, and in a video that is called ‘Welcome to F-Stoppers’ they claim to be dedicated to ‘all things photo AND video’, claim to be a creditable ‘source’ for information, when they blatantly hold bias and lie directly to their audience.
Another comment in the comment section stated that they love to ask which lens they should have used and that “everyone suggests a prime”, when over 50 people said to just use the amount 24-70 2.8 with the laea4. The reason they said they didn’t?
Fstoppers 3 weeks ago
+Vanitas Foto putting things between the camera and lens seemed like a disadvantage. Instead we actually gave the Sony the advantage by using their own lens for the test.
See 1.01 of the video, clearly the adaptor they didn’t know how to use has an element between the ‘lens and the camera’. Clearly, they are lying, incompetent, and instead of admitting it would rather continue on this feeble attempt to make excuses for every piece of misinformation they’ve presented so far. Shame on them.
Just want to follow up with the purchase. Camera arrived yesterday. No warranty card. AC cable and charger look funny. Camera looks NEW. Camera works as normal. Still have original firmware.