It seems like we can hope again! A good source told me that Sony is close to schedule the announcement of the NEX-7n for May (yep it’s still not 100% sure). He also explained me how the new 3.8 Million dot EVF works. And it’s a smart idea:
There are actually two OLED layers of 1.9 Million dot each. They are displace by 1 pixel and the EVF image projection works asynchronously. That allows to create supersharp images with no lag and other artifacts.
Let’s hope this time they will not delay the announcement!
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Both are very good information. two layers loooks great 🙂
WHat is FT3 :D, and plz, more info about A78 😐
I think Admin may have switched the letters FT3 could be SR3… 😉 And I agree with you, please Admin give us some news concerning the new a78 (or whatever its name will be…)
Have some news I will post soon!
Will there be a A65 successor too?
Awesome. Can’t wait for A78 with this EVF 🙂
FT?? NEX changed to Four Third?? O.O
Double the power consumption though!
The OLED viewfinder already takes more power than the back LCD on the A77, so on the 7n it will take twice as much unless they have also made it more efficient.
If they work asynchronously they don’t need energy at the same time as I understand it. Should be around the same energy consumption of the old EVF then.
Since VF image is “interlaced” the frequency can go down normally and rapidly increase when needed, I suppose. Just more flexibility and no drawbacks.
Tiny remark: even if viewfinder does take twice as much power (which is very doubtful) – it doesn’t mean that the amount of photos you can take on a battery will decrease by 50%.
It’s not only EVF itself… because EVF resolution is more than back LCD resolution, CPU & sensor have to do more job.
I really love these dorks comments when they always have to find something to complain.
What a life that must be….
I would think power consumption would be proportional to the total amount of light the EVF puts out, not the number of pixels. Two half size LEDs should put out the same amount of light and consume the same power as one regular size LED.
It might seem that way, but you often have background processes that continue whether the light is on or off, those processes take some power too. While interlaced would not be as bad as twice the number of OLEDs it wouldn’t necessarily be the same amount of energy… probably somewhere in between… but considering there are so many other unknowns with this camera it is a rather pointless question to ponder. For all we know it will use a newer larger battery, it might have more efficient parts in other places… I only hope they have overcome the overheating problems when you shoot video. If not, then I don’t care what tweaking they have done to the viewfinder it is unlikely to be worth an upgrade from the current nex 7 for what I intend to use it for.
Come on Sony bring it on, my 7 has severe “health” issues, i’m ready to buy that new baby !! (although I have a 6 that does everything perfectly, I’m still a fan of the TriNavi).
That explanation doesn’t make sense at all, how can they be layered when OLED is emissive, with each pixel being a light source in itself, not transmissive like LCD panels. The top layer would obstruct the lower layer. In any case a French company has already made a 5 million dot OLED panel of similar size.
It might have been a translation error with interleaved being replaced with layered. If enough bandwidth is available progressive is better but when bandwidth is limited a higher resolution interleaved display looks better for static or relatively slow moving subjects than a low resolution progressive display.
2 layers could work if the top layer has a “pixel size hole” next to each pixel. So the bottom layer pixel can be visible through the hole. Each “working” pixel is still opaque.
So a top layer pixel row would be like:
pixel, hole, pixel, hole, pixel, … (with odd number as pixel, and even number as hole)
And the bottom layer would be:
blank, pixel, blank, pixel, blank, … (only even number spaces are pixels)
Would this work? Just a guess.
Hei Shumin! Did it ever occur to you, that those guys at Sony may know one or two things that you have no clue about?
Citizen announced such a viewfinder two days ago:
“Citizen Finetech Miyota has developed an LCD panel for electronic viewfinders of digital cameras its claiming is the highest resolution available. It offers a 1280×960 pixel display (equivalent to 3.69 million dots). This exceeds the 2.36m dot (1024 x 768 pixel) resolution of the current Sony OLED and Epson LCD units. It uses a field-sequential design, showing red, green and blue information in sequence rather than being able to show them all at the same time, but the panels 120Hz design should avoid color breakup (tearing) the company says. The panel will enter mass produced in summer 2013.”
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/04/11/citizen-finetech-miyota-creates-3p69m-dot-equivalent-evf
Enters the mass production in summer 2013? Just like NEX7N?
nice coincidence. 😉
I think this is different than what is described for the 7n. Citizen cycles the colors, an age old color technique for video, which is different than overlaying two layers of pixels. The Citizen technique requires only 1/3 of the total pixels for equivalent output as each one does triple duty.
‘…showing red, green and blue information in sequence’. They seem to have had problems with rainbows appearing everywhere when panning too fast. They claim to have improved on that. Too bad.
Any news about the sensor? That new 7100 from the other guys has moved to the top of the APS-C heap. I would love to see Sony overtake it with the 7n – class leading image quality at both low and HIGH ISOs. Sony has all the resources in-house necessary to beat the competition with its sensors.
Any clue about AGC disable and headphone jack?
Oh what rubbish, Sony already has a 1280 x 720 panel in their 3D goggles, all they need to do is make them 4:3 version of it to get 3.9mil dots (1280 x 1024).
I dunno why, but seems to me that anything interlaced is not really good compared to real progressive stuff :/
Sounds great! May release means shipping in june? Well, that’s what I hope at least.
The new EVF … well, the technology seems okay-ish, but I guess it’s easier, cheaper and more power-efficient than to build a straight-up 4M dot EVF. If it works better than the current EVF (which I think has a too low refresh rate) it’ll be great.
Then, Sony, just built in ProRes 422 video recording options, a sensor that’s about 1/3 of a stop better than the current one in every way (not just ISO) and leave the rest where it is, and you’ve got a winner. Oh, and if you insist to build in apps … build in a touchscreen too! It’s a pain in the ass on the NEX-6 to enter user names and passwords …
I would not hold my breath for a May release. In that case, Sony would have had a final product in their warehouses already, and we would have been shown the pre-production units. In the past, Sony had several months between announcement and availability, so I suspect that May only marks the announcement, and we are going to buy our 7n in early autumn.
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Evf won’t make the photo quality better, hoped the image quality improve alot..
Wow, sounds like this EVF will kick the A99 EVF ass.
Quickly Sony update the A99! lol
+1
I agree. The a99 EVF in’t enough to sell me on EVF technology. If this new EVF reduces the amount of “perceived lag” when panning around a dimly lit room while trying to compose a frame, I might actually pre-order the a99 successor!
Especially if it looks as sexy as this: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/surprise-is-that-the-new-a-mount-full-frame-with-built-in-vertical-grip/
And no. I’m not being sarcastic. I REALLY like the look of that prototype camera. Bigger, and heavier, IS BETTER for a professional photographer. Having a heavy body helps to stabilize the big, heavy Zeiss lenses that pros mount onto their bodies. Plus you’re taken more seriously when you show up at a commercial shoot and your camera is bigger than the one the art director brings to the shoot to “document” the process for “themself’. Yup. It’s hard enough convincing your clients (including wedding clients) that it’s OK that you’re going to be shooting the job on a SONY. So I’m all for SONY cameras looking more “pro” to the untrained eye!
Have you done this with the A99 *plus* a fast lens? And preferably not in a showroom or store with 60hz light flickering…
You understand that camera is considerably larger than a Pentax 6×7, and closer to the size of a Fuji GX680… don’t you? It’s a broadcast camera shaped like a DSLR, but I’d bet the thing is larger than an 8×10 view camera back. Just look at the size of the ZA24-70 by comparison to it. Just the outer lens mount is considerably larger than the 77mm filter thread of the lens, probably approaching the diameter of a 300/2.8.
Not what I’d consider “sexy” by any means. And not for any stills photography I’d approach without a large gitzo.
This camera will bere more expensive or more cheap than the actual NEX-7?
Main issue: will NEX-7N colorshift like the old 7?
EVF is good already
Any news about the announcements of the SEL-85F18, the G-High-Performance- and Zeiss-Zoom for NEX?
Can we also expect an update of the old BIONZ processor (like BIONZ Pro or BIONZ II)? It seems weak against the new developments by Panasonic and Olympus (faster and more accurate AF, better JPEG-Engine…).
Doesn’t sound for 2 layers, what if you look at the evf not perpendicular?
Could they increase the EVF dynamic range too with 2 layers?
Like one show highlights details and the other shadows. Both at once?
Mr. & Mrs. SONY. Be Careful !
http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera/
If the camera keeps its promises, it will have to do something serious …
Attention, nowadays things are going very fast. I know you’re a big company with lots of resources, but your NEX may take a hit.
I know it is not a camera, but a “Cinema camera” … but things are going very fast.
So please Mr. & Mrs. Sony.
XAVC 10bit 4:2:2 (1920×1080) or ProRes on the NEX-7n for video.
As did Mr. Blackmagic (10bit 4:2:2 ProRes).
Freddy Sony just announced “XAVC S” the other day (real quiet like) which supposedly puts all the XAVC goodness in a consumer friendly MP4 wrapper (instead of the more “professional” but less universal MXF wrapper) so there’s hope. I’m just worried it will still be 8bit XAVC which would be a real disappointment. RAW video would be awesome but also a pain. 10bit at ~100mbit for 1080p would be awesome.
I doubt it will ever be ProRes as that requires a license from Apple.
Well, the ProRes license nowadays is “almost free” and very simple to license. Really, the cost shouldn’t be a problem, and with apps, they easily could make it a paid upgrade.
My NEX-7 may be heading to ebay in the near furture.
What is the write speed of the nex 7? What SD card do you use?
More than anything, I want better video. Comparable quality to GH2 or GH3. That would be awesome.
More than anything else I want high resolution.
Yes Sony is far behind in this area. especially since the arrival of Blackmagic these prices …
Yes Sony is far behind in this area. especially since the arrival of Blackmagic these prices …
“With two layer OLED EVF!” And the the upcoming new slt cams will have this to ?
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