Image courtesy: Quesabesde.
Quesabesde (google translation here) is the first site sharing original Sony A77II RAW files for download. Quesabesde is pleasantly surprised by the af speed (says could be the best af tested so far). They also write there is a low pass filter on the sensor
A77II ISO test images on Flickr.
You can also watch the full Sony A77II presentation on youtube (part one and part two).
Meantime also Sony Canada (Click here) is accepting A77II preorders and they say they will ship the camera on may 22 already (like the Sony European stores). Here is the updated preorder list:
Sony A77 body in USA/Canada at Amazon, Adorama, Sony Store, BHphoto and Sony Canada.
Sony A77 with 16-50mm lens at Amazon, Adorama, Sony Store and BHphoto.
Sony A77 body in Europe at Sony Germany, Sony UK, Sony France, Sony IT, ES, NL, BE, AT, CH, PT, NO, SE, FI and Wex UK.
Sony A77 in Asia at Digitalrev.
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Is there a link for a new version of IDC – or will the old IDC convert the images?
I installed my version of IDC seven months ago. I have no problems editing these A77II RAWs in it.
Thanks. I removed IDC, and didn’t know if was worth re-installing to take a look-see
From the presentation slides A77II is the camera that sits between A77 & A99, so there is no A88 coming this year?
I’ve given up hope of an a88…
With A65, I try not to go above ISO400.
If A77-II does acceptable quality at ISO800, that would be a decent improvement.
I stay to ISO 200 maybe 320 with the A77. Clean 640 would be great. And let’s see about the AA filter. My A7r in crop mode (16MP) consistently out resolves the A77 with the same lens. This image blurring and base noise is the dirty little secret of the alpha APSc bodies.
I can see it being clean in ISO 400. I hope Clean 640 is true indeed. This will be my next camera :).
Thank you!
People keep telling me A77 does great at ISO1600.
I thought I was the crazy one here 😀
Most people don’t analyse 100% crops of images taken in the dark of their cats whiskers.
I don’t care for 100% crops. I develop 1280×720 jpgs from raw.
Many do try to take wildlife photos, that often need to be cropped – and desire fine texture and high frequency detail. I suppose the easiest excuse for a quality problem is saying “you don’t need it”
If you are that dependent on cropping then you’re shooting the wrong focal length. Fine texture or not you’re loosing detail and will end up with soft images.
False. I can buy a $5,000 lens to use with a camera that has a noise problem, or use a $1,600 lens with a camera that has a good sensor and crop… and get very similar results. I prefer the latter.
When the longest lens available cannot reach a distant subject cropping is the only option..as a telescope tskes too long too set up.
Furthermore tight frsming of moving subjects will result in lots of missing parts.
If you do carefully planed studio shots you may not have to crop at all…unless of course your client changes the format and you need room for text.
For me I do a lot of stitchin to achieve the high resolution that today’s cameras do not yet provide.
But no matter how you slice it many pictures do need to be cropped.
The obvious answer being that wildlife togs have used the Sony A77 for years and appear to do just fine with it.
The idea that because peple get by with the best equpment currently availible makes it good enought is wrong.
People consistenly have meed for better but have to make do with what thy can get.
I use the a77 and definitely have need for a better camera.
The a77II is a little better but not enough better to upgrade.
Looks good til 3200.
Seems like ISO 3200 is usable. That’s a good news. It’s giving an edge against the D7100. Although I can’t really testify that before real lab testings.
3200 is useable on my A57. I was hoping for useable 6400.
The A57 is not 24 megapixel…
Megapixels don’t affect noise. Sensor generation and sensor size do.
Compare 24mp A900, A7 and A99 sensors to 32mp A7r.
The higher megapixel sensors are outperforming the lower mp.
The problem with A65, A77 and NEX7 was that they all had first gen 24mp sensor. A57 and NEX5’s are already a 2nd or 3rd gen 16mp.
You see a similar improvement on A77II, where it has a 2nd gen 24mp sensor.
Well if you can say that, ISO 12800 in this camera is usable for you.
IQ seems competitive against peers. This is a great advance as A77 was about 1 1/2 stop worse than D7000
1.5 stops, I don’t know what you were comparing, but ISO800 vs ISO1200 is 0.5 of a stop.
My brother has D7000. What I have noticed that the perceived noise difference is even smaller than that. It has a bit more chroma noise, but luminance and black noise are similar. Any software would fix chroma noise without visibly degrading the image.
Of course ISO3200 and 6400 are harder to fix, since there is so much more noise. But it’s just as bad on my brother’s D7000.
ISO looks very much comparable to D7100. With the 16-50 f2.8 lens, stabilization, articulate view, af, wifi, and DR the package is unbeatable.
tests on flickr with f14? WOOHAA!
Quite – diffraction limiting on a 24MP APS-C sensor starts at f8, and by f14 it’s going to have a very noticable effect on resolution as the airy disk is going to have a radius of about 4 photosensor sites.
I’m assuming these images are with no NR applied. Is this correct?
I shoot a lot of Highschool football and soccer at night under not so good light. The a77 has horrible noise at higher iso. Will we see an improvement in that at all with this camera?
Yes but if you see the flickr samples there is horrible smearing of detail.
Honestly for low light you NEED FF. Nothing in APS-C is really good right now.
The Flickr samples aren’t great at high iso, but to be honest we’re talking about ooc jpegs on a pre-production firmware… Has anyone had any luck reading the raws? I’m on my phone earlier so can’t really do anything with them…
I was not able to load the raw files in LR 5.4, though I was able to open them in Sony Image Data Converter, the latest version.
In regards to Hi ISO and APS-C sensors. I had wished that Sony would have taken a risk and made the new A77II 16mp instead of 24. Kind if like they did with the new A7s 12MP FF this is how you get good high ISO performance. Oh well I am still going to try the new A77II, I own the A99 which I love, yet I still want a APS-C camera with great C-AF and a big RAW buffer. The new Sony may be the ticket.
Oh, god, another FF poser.
I shoot weddings for a living. FF is simply better for high ISO work. I wish I could afford to move up to FF but on my earnings I simply cannot.
There is real replacement for high ISO work than FF cameras right now.
I agree.
I’m an enthusiast and don’t do this for a living. I’ve noticed that on my A65 I often have to go up to ISO1600. A FF camera is the only thing that would fix the noise problem. Only issue is added weight.
You mean : “Nothing in ‘S.O.N.Y’. APS-C is really good right now”…???
Other brands are doing well in APS-C:
http://www.albionrow.com/for-togs/fuji-x-cameras/
Fuji is a rare exception. Other brands I have tried from Nikon or Canon aren’t as good. Most APS-C sensors are good for 1600 to maybe 3200 in a pinch. However the 5D Mk3 I used gave me very good results at ISO 6400 and in a pinch I could use ISO 12800 also for somewhat useable results.
My favorite C size lens is the tamron 60mm f2 macro.
Wrong answer. You just need more capable lenses.
Your answer may differ but it doesn’t mean my answer is incorrect. You don’t even have an inkling as to what gear the OP is using other than the A77 body. If he is using a Sony 70-200mm f2.8 G lens then what answer will you give him ?
BRWAT have a point.
After ‘talking’ to some that screams about high ISO noise , it turns out that a 6.3 lens have been used, and now suddenly the sensor is to blame for the result.
I’ve even seen “XXX NEEDS to have much better ISO ’cause I can’t afford better lenses.”
Sorry for the delayed response we had a death in the family. At this point all i could afford is a Sigma 70-200 1:2.8. I know its not a sports lens but i also use it for senior portraits.
You need FF then. The Sigma 70-200mm f2.8 isn’t a bad lens but your body high ISO capabilities isn’t great. For low ISO work its a fine camera but at high ISOs its lacking.
I do the same for work – the noise isn’t great at high iso (3200 is the max I’ll usually push it to). That said, dxo can still do wonders even with heavy cropping.
Check out the example photos – Definitely an improvement.
As I have previosly said the a77 is agreat camera get one.
If you already have one however I feel this is not a worthwhile upgrade and will not buy one.
One the same old same old side….
Still 24mp
Still low bypass filter
Still same slt miror.
Slightly less than 1 stop iso improvent
On the improved side….
Better focus
Better processor
Standard hotshoe
Still a great camera but not a worthwhile upgrade.
Not all Sony Alpha users do have an A77…i come from a A57. Sold it today so i am waiting for these “little upgrade” of yours ….:P
As I have repeatedly said..if you do not already have an a77 this is a great camera..buy one.
You are completely right. 😀 I am happy.
What if you already own an A77 but find the AF tracking lacking? The A77II is therefore a worthwhile upgrade and owners of the A77 should buy one too.
I dropped 3k for the wickedly fast 70200g2 in Nov so I will be buying this camera.
Your opinion is not universal.
Do not claim it is.
I seem to have missed the part where I made that claim.
Mayby your brouser is working differently than everyone elses.
But you do keep trying to enforce your opinion that the A77II is not worth the upgrade to those that already own the A77. You seem to have little regard for the fact that different photographers have different requirements.
You keep claiming the A77II is not a worthwhile upgrade to the A77.
I disagree.
You have no more authority or respect than anyone on this site, so stop pretending like you are the “voice of reason” and that “this is how things are”.
You can have your opinion, but STOP posting it as if it was fact. It is not.
You state your opinion I will state mine,..so far the only opinion you have is barry shoud not speak.
That wont happen..so if you actually havean opion about the subject this is the place for it.
Or you can start your oun..whay I think about barry forum somewhere else.
Opinions are fine.
BTW, this isnt YOUR site either. Dont get a big chip on your shoulder. You’re nothing but comic relief on SAR.
You are biting on their bait, Barry. Best to ignore than fan their flames.
Unfurtanetely they turn each simple little comment into a whole page of nonsense.
I would be interested to know what admin thinks about thier effect on this site and including the fact that they impersonate other posters.
I often think some sort of SAR code of conduct might be usefull.
Barry, I want to help you learn how to spell.
Mayby is actually spelled “Maybe”
Brouser is actually spelled “Browser”
Hope this helps! I remember when I was in 2nd grade too!
Everyone on sar knows that you are ONE SINGLE JERK so why not stop with all the multiple sreen name bullshit.
You are a fool. I very rarely post on SAR (and I post as “Anonymous”).
I’m sure there are a lot of people who think you’re a waste of time.
So you are too ashamed of yourself to post a real screen name and your only use is to insult others.
I dont blame you for being ashamed.
I only insult others if they deserve being insulted. You deserve being insulted because you are either too foolish or egotistical to understand why your posts are inappropriate.
You say you “will not be silenced” and that is fine. We dont want to silence you. But, in the same token, we will not let you speak your bullsh*t as if it is fact without calling out your sorry a$$.
So plan on eternal rebuttal. Got it?
There is no WE it is your multiple personalities.
I already told you, I post under “Anonymous” and, recently, “Anti-Barry”. If you dont believe me, I dont care. I am not here to prove anything to you.
My actual name is not for the web. I value my privacy.
Barry, i am not Anti-Barry, i am someone else who also thinks youre nuts. get this through your thick skull that there are more than one person who is tired of your trolling.
so your real name is Animals By Barry?
Hey, I post as ‘Anonymous’ too! Who’s who?
This is the most entertaining thread in a very long time. Thank you all.
Since I am guessing you plan to get one of these..for yourself that is…what is your assesment of the level of improvement.
Well….He can probably assess it once he gets it. And since they’re not released yet, he hasn’t gotten it. Follow the bouncing ball?
I have an A77, and am totally fine with it for how I use the thing. Won’t be switching. I’m totally disgusted by the AA blurring and noise character on the A77, but I live with it.
As for the new camera. It’s kind of a modest warm-over, but everything looks fine to me. If I was wishing for an exciting A77 upgrade, I’d be pissed. If I was looking for a new APS-C camera overall, I’d be excited.
Depends on the af performance imho. Factor in the iso improvement and this could be great for night time street photography…
You are merely demonstrating that you don’t need the improved AF. Good for you, be happy with the A77.
I am VERY interested in how tracking will perform and if the reviews are good, then I’ll be swapping my A77 for the A77II in a heartbeat.
You are not speaking for all A77 users.
It does have some improvements I want particularly the better tracking af..but I cannot justify spending the money for so few improvements..especially with the stacked sensor a yaer away.
Right! YOU cant justify it.
That doesn’t mean others cant. I, for one, definitely can justify it.
Do you ever think of anyone but yourself?
You say stacked sensors are a year away. However earlier you said this would be a 32 MP camera. So whats painfully apparent is that no one can predict the future.
You are partly correct.
Two years ago I correctly predicted the sony roadmat through 2015 and predicted that until the stacked sensor there would be no more than 24mp c and 36mp ff.
Sony deliberately and directly lied to me and I shared that info with sar readers.
Go back to my sony roadplan before that phone call and every one of my predictions were and are still correct…lots of camera innovations this year but no significant sensor improvements until the 2015 stacked sensor…then we will see real sensor advances.
Your statement that no one can predict tje future with certainty is abolutely true.
Barry, do you still not understand that you didn’t speak with a Sony executive? Assuming that you did speak to someone at Sony, and i’ll reserve my judgement on that, you most probably reached some Cust Service rep, who asked another rep to call you back. Your work is not worldwide known, so there isn’t a reason for an executive to call you back. There is no publicity in them wasting their time.
Now, I hope you read my point on titles within different companies a few weeks ago. There I had an example of my friend in Wells Fargo, who is an insurance agent, just like any other, yet her title is “Account Executive”.
I agree with you, I really don’t see a big improvement between A77 and A77II
But I am using a A55 currently, and I found it’s a big improvement from A55 to A77II
So I will order one in the end of the year
Hey barry, help here, please
What should i do?
Buy a rebated a77 for $699
Or pre-order the a77II + 16-50 for $1798
I had an a57, planing to upgrade and also get the 16-50
So its like $300 between the a77 and a77II
I just answered that question..If you dont have an a77 buy an a77II.
699 isn’t a deal- it’s a freakin steal. Just an awesome camera at that price point. There is no way you’ll be dissapointed. After two years of DAILY usage guess how many problems I’ve had with it- ZERO. I’ll get getting the A77II at some point.
I sold mine to my brother who also has the a57. He said it’s like night and day and has no complaints. I plan on just grabbing the new one because, as an all around performer, I still think the A77 series can’t be beat.
I agree. +1
Another screen name.
Seriously? I have been posting under “James,” which represents my actual name, which is “James.” Im not giving you my last name because frankly I dont trust you with it.
You tin foil hat freaks are just running rampant these days arent you. Everything is a conspiracy. Everyone is out to get you. Well you know what? When you say stupid sh*t sometimes people call you out on it!!!!
Hey Barry, I need your wisdom……
I have an A77 and wonder if the A77II is a worthwhile upgrade.
LOL.
You’re out of your mind Barry!!! lolololololol.
Another screen name..and another impersonation of someone whos respect you can never hope to duplicate.
Excuse me? Barry,
Look, Sony and Non-Sony users alike: this camera represents
everything that is wrong with photography these days. And I mean
EVERYTHING. I am not even going into the details, you just have to take
my word for it. This is the final word on the topic. Barry you are laughable.
Now, I urge you to visit my most praised contribution to the photography world here: http://www.kenrockwell.com/donate.htm …. Please, I have a family to feed.
Look everyone, Mr Rockhead is back in town with his snake-oil tent and traveling freak show.
No, you represent what’s wrong.
Respect? Sorry, what?
Its a relative term.
Barry is trolling himself now.
Barry is crazy but your a junk photographer. Why anyone on this site would donate to you is beyond me. Do us all a favour and smash you A99, sell your Minolta lenses and go away.
We don’t need your useless opinions, or your biased reviews, or you junk comments. Go away
ISO 1600 looks quite good. 3200 looks acceptable for most uses. And 6400 still looks fine in smaller sizes. Seems like a step up, possibly a half stop improvement. In fact, while the a99 is still clearly better, I’d say that there may be less than one full stop of difference between the A77m2 and the A99.
Decisions decisions. I was all set in getting this until until I hear the new possible price of the A7s (around $1800).
Same here .. Between A77II – A99 – A7R
Sony is driving me crazy
Well what do you want to shoot? A99 or plain A7 seems to be most universal and balanced.
A7r and A77 II have very little in commoon they are complementary. You either need only one of them or both. There is not a reason to have to select between them. Sony made it very simple this time. You either shoot sports and wild life and have the 300/2.8 mens and 70-400 and then you buy A77 II or you have the 135/1.8 and 85/1.4 and/or 16-35 and/or 24-70 all Zeiss glass and you buy the A7r with 55/1.8 on it.
Agree. When I see people confused as to what camera to buy, and they’re looking at the A77II, A99 and A7R, it becomes apparent to me that they haven’t defined what shooting style is theirs. Which usually means that they are not a professional.
You are an idiot, we have defined our shooting style. That’s why we’re always looking for an all-rounder.
You are right.. A77II and A7R are for different types of photography, that’s my problem.
I have both a77 and a7 .. A77 for birds in action and a7 for birds portraits and landscapes.
A7 image quality is stunning that made me greedy for more.. I’m trying to resist the 36MP with no AA filter of the A7R.
A77II’s AF speed and better low light performance are so tempting.
To get both cameras I will have to sell my a77 and a7 OR get A99 since it’s has good AF for tracking birds , good image quality , good low light performance and keep both a77 and a7 :/
Maybe that’s why Sony hasn’t announced the price (to not cannibalize a77 sales).
Sony Canada site link has been removed.
Weird!
I did a search on Sony.ca, it’s there. Still says May 22nd. Don’t know how good they are with their release dates.
Andrea, any hope or rumor about LA-EA6 with the new AF system? Would be unbelievable on A7…just love the many many points well spread over the APS-C size…..opposed to the well centered very few EA4 points
I thought Sony said the upgraded models this year were going to be amazing. This is about as amazing as the D600-D610 upgrade. Pass.
I’d say that going from oil spots on the sensor to no oil spots on the sensor is a substantial upgrade.
hilarious!!!
ha ha ha LOL
D600 users will be laughing at the D610 lot when their sensor starts to rust.
How is this not amazing?
What do you expect? 60mp, clean ISO up to 51,600, and 200 FPS for a minute straight?
I think this camera is clearly a huge upgrade, and easily going to be the all around most feature rich high quality and capable APS-C camera available in the world today.
I’m not commenting on the camera itself but my disappointment in Sony’s hype after they A7 release. They said the Alpha line would be revamped with major changes. It’s an expected upgrade but not a revamp. This just shows they are not giving any effort to the Alpha line other than normal upgrades. And why is there still an AA filter (this is a pro APSC)? And if that added Wifi doesn’t transfer photos directly to your computer then it’s a real shame.
The AF upgrade is a MASSIVE upgrade, if it works as advertised.
that’s the million dollar quation
What good is fast AF if you have to consistently re-find a fast moving subject in the VF while bursting? The slide show effect is very annoying in shooting situations like this and is a definite dealbreaker for me if not addressed in the II.
I understand, but I think you’re putting your own expectations on the A77II.
First, A7 is part of the Alpha line. Alpha cameras come in A mount and E mount.
Second, the A77II is not a pro APS-C. It was clearly marketed as an “enthusiast grade” camera. Sony only makes one Professional Alpha camera, the A99. Even the A7 series is not listed as “professional”.
Regardless of what Sony calls them, the A700, A850, A900, A77, A77II, A99, A7, A7R, A7S, RX1, RX1R, RX100, RX100II, RX100III should all be quite at home in a Professional’s Bag.
Sony was made fun of because they released random camera names. Now they’re falling in line with established naming convention (mark II, etc) and they’re still getting picked on.
The A77II is version 2 of the A77. It is NOT a new camera, and was not designed to be. It is a better version of the A77, just like the Canon 5D III is a better version of the 5D II.
Yeah but the 5D3 was a major upgrade. Also, the a77 is the flagship APSC camera so it’s as pro as Sony is gonna get for apsc. The a66 is the enthusiast model.
Point is that most of us see the A77II as a major upgrade.
The 5d3 improved upon the 5d2’s limited autofocus and introduced a fast AF system, improved upon the sensitivity / noise levels and added a headphone jack.
The a77-2 vastly improves the AF and noise levels, but no headphone jack, and adds wi-Fi/NFC (1st SLT with this).
Why is one major and the other minor?
You really need to do some research and get up to date before making such stupid statements, unless you enjoy making a fool of yourself.
I dont think his comment was anything that could be considered “making a fool” out of anyone.
If anything, you made a fool of yourself.
Defending stupidity is a fools errand, don’t forget that.
I wasn’t defending you, I was confronting you.
You know exactly what you were doing and that was sucking up to some jack***. An for that you are a fool.
You got out of hand with your hasty accusation of him. He doesnt appear to be trolling, he’s just making a somewhat reasonable suggestion.
Ken’s here.
Folks – you break it up now, I ask you. Turd, er, I mean Knurd actually has a point. I was expecting a lot more from Sony myself. This silly A772 business is disappointing, as I’ve told you all before. It’s no D3300 from the only brand that matters… I don’t need to remind you all, do I? It rhymes with Icon.
As always, don’t forget to donate: http://www.kenrockwell.com/donate.htm. Family and all. Money’s been pouring in like crazy since this POS of a Dee-Ass-El-Arrrhg been announced, I wanted to personally thank you all.
Remind be to ignore you useless fu@<ing reviews! any who dumps money on you site should have their head examined
Great comment. You make some great points – oh wait…no you don’t. You didn’t make any points. Good job buddy. I never said the camera was terrible. Read comments properly before making such a pointless reply.
Admit it you’re an idiot that runs off at the mouth before thinking about what you are saying. As such you suffer the consequences.
Consequences? Ha…haha..hahahahahahaha. Are you pointing a gun or a sword at me while saying that? What are you – 5 years old? Cast whatever spell you want loser.
Hello? That’s not what I expected as an answer from you. You have stated that the Upgrade is just like the D600 is to the D610. It might not have the ‘amazing improvement’ that you’ve expected, But please think again about that D610 statement. The improvements a77 II is not only just fixing oil spots on the sensor.
Why is it that so many people whom you insult come to the same conclusion . . . that you are childish? Some speculate that you are 12 years old, some guess that you are 5 years old, many have called you “boy” etc.
Are you a childish idiot, running off at the mouth, trash-talking your betters, logging in as 100 different psychotic FF’s per day and constantly belittling yourself over other people’s camera prerogatives?
Not one single poster on these forums is as insane as you. We make our own choices about what cameras we like. Get used to it. I won’t say grow-up because you are incorrigible. How does it feel to be the most disrespected imbicile among hundreds of fellow forum visitors?
In real use, you really don’t need more than 3200 ISO. I mean, it’s great to have but it’s so overhyped for 95% of most photographers and their applications.
Anly long tele zoom like the new tamron 150-600 needs to be used at f8 for sharpness .
To get an acceptable shutter speed ideally does need 6400 iso even in full bright sunlight.
Other people shoot indoors or in poor lighting.
Your 3200 iso limit may be suitable for you but each photographer has thier own needs.
Unlike you and your A77 upgrade comments there was no claim that all photographers use their camera in the same way. Re-read the comment. “overhyped for 95% of most photographers”.
I’d agree with the spirit of that comment too. The vast majority of images I see on the web are taken at low ISO and there is far too much emphasis put on high ISO in forums and reviews when the basics such as how accurate and fast the AF is, how the functions work in real life etc., gets ignored.
Technology appears to be at a point where cameras are very much a muchness and it is getting difficult to criticise a camera, so they concentrate on high ISO when most people don’t shoot it at all.
I have no idea why a Sony forum gets so many people who NEED high ISO anyway, since Sony cameras have never been high ISO kings compared to Nikon. If you NEED a high ISO dSLR, then you should be using a Nikon for years, preferably a FF one too.
My point …whicj in hindsight is a little ambiguous. .is that there is a diversity of needs and that people make do with less than they need because there is no better choice available.
To be clear..and this part is a rrepetition so stop here if that part bothers you..
My highest priority/need is for very high resolution….
The other things I would like in addition are
High clean iso and fast /tracking focus that work on all current lenses…not just new ones.
I do not share the idea that Sony must make every possible lens anyone can imagine because the gaps are being filled by high quality more economical third party lenses.. For the most part I am happy with my current lens collection….But I would like Tamron to hurry up and release the 150- 600 in Sony mount.
So my single biggest frustration is the current unavailability of a high resolution easy to use camera.
I think the biggest reason that ISO is so discussed is that it is easy to measure and compare.
Just as top speed is more important than handling.
Hence the need for standardized AF performance measurements.
I’m buying the A77II. Most of the Alpha user group is too. We’re already getting bored of your rhetoric. Maybe you need a SAR break to refocus, and relax.
Since you think it is worthwile to upgrade from a77 to a77II…. both of which are excellent cameras…please explain why you feel the upgrade is warrented..this is a real question, l am not being sarcastic.
How do you know the camera is not amazing? Just wondering!
Positive surprise. I loaded the ISO 1000 shot in the RAW converter and did expect much worse. I own the A99, so I am not easily impressed. Sony seems to have pulled off a significant sensor improvement compared to the old A77.
I did something similar. I agree!!!!
Reviewed several of the raw downloaded images and the quality (sharpness, color, noise) look excellent for a camera in this price category. I was pleasantly suprised, well done Sony!
I know, I’m quite impressed. Its 3k performance from a 1k camera. It’s causing the anti-sony cronies to get really upset. I’m amazed by all of the troll posts.
Yeah, the ISO 1000 shot gets really good if you process it in Lightroom. First I was shocked from the ISO 100 color noise, but LR is extremely good in Color-NR IMHO. I have got some troubles with the ISO 400 shot, but after about 20 minutes of playing around with the RAW files, I do not regret my preorder.
Sony improved the camera, is launching it at a lower price point than the original, and yet the complaints are still numerous. Dissatisfaction seems to be a human condition. On another note, and understanding Barry’s desire for a 32mp APS-C camera, the a77II maintaining a 24mp APS-C sensor makes sense for the series. A 32mp APS-C a88, a99II 24mp FF, and a??(?) 36mp FF would also make sense going forward. The good news is that Sony is continually improving the ISO performance, AF system, buffer (processing speed), etc., in the A mount. I love my a99 but certainly will look forward to similar improvements in a Mark II version. It doesn’t mean I will purchase one if and when released, at least not right away, as I still use my a900 as much as the a99 (and that is everyday), it didn’t stop meeting my needs or being a great camera all of a sudden, one day, when a newer camera was released. It only means Sony is getting better and for us Sony users that is a good thing. Rejoice! If you are in doubt, by the a77, the a77II, a99, a used a900 or a850 and a Sony Zeiss or G lens and shoot until the lights go out. And then use a flash. 🙂
If you’re all going to argue here at least make it entertaining so the next 2 weeks goes quickly!
I hope it ships with a firmware that works this time!
I just want a working shutter – and since yesterday, power switch! 🙁
Hmm I’m sure my shutter has started to sound funny and come to think of it, my power switch feels loose too…. 😀
I wish Quesabesde.com made the test with a better lens , Sony SAL 28-70 f/2.8 is not that good to show sensor’s ability.
why not do the test with the kit lens ? or maybe a prime lens
What difference does it make for gauging noise levels so long as all of the test images are with the same lens?
It doesn’t make a difference for noise tests but you can check image processing in camera for sharpness and color
so all the rumours animalsbarry said about a77II didn´t realize, what a surprise.
This is Canadian Sony site address for A77 II.
http://store.sony.ca/alpha-a77-dslr-camera-body-zid31-ILCA77M2Q/cat-31-catid-All-Alpha-DSLR-Cameras?_t=pfm%3Dcategory
What are the shutter speeds for the images?
I’m curious if they fixed the flash commander feature on the MII – on the a77 you can only do 12-13 pics consecutively regardless of how slow you shoot before the onboard flash overheats. You’d think it would be an easy fix to drop the power to keep it from overheating…something easily done via firmware. It’s quite annoying to get on a roll with a model and have to stop shooting every 2 minutes due to the overheating….a problem that will be much more evident now that the new camera has the new “standard” ISO shoe with zero 3rd party support. I know there are adapters, but those are flimsy to put it mildly. Speaking of which….any word on TTL triggers for the new mount? It took forever to get a few for the old shoe, and the current one has been on the new cameras since last year…
…then again…any word on a native mount flashgun that doesn’t go through a meltdown every few minutes? If they get the onboard flash up to speed, the next sore spot will be the constantly overheating flashgun.
Use Sanyo rechargeable batteries tard
Sony addressing flash overheating shutdown? Don’t count on it.
http://community.sony.com/t5/Alpha-SLT-DSLR-Cameras/HVL-F60M-Flash-Overheating-Unusable/td-p/139177
No one actually cares. Most of us use our HVL-58AM. It doesn’t over heat. So your point is junk. Get the adapter use the Photoix Odin like the rest of us or go away.
Awesome camera once again defining what a SLR should be as opposed to rehashing the same old $hit different model number like most of Sony’s junk competitors or their cronies.
The OP has a Sigma 70-200mm f2.8.
So is BRWAT still correct ? And some people want more DOF. Not everyone is happy with just one player being in focus.
2.8 should do fine 🙂
Just got word that my preordered A77. II shipped today from Sony Canada.