a rendering of an imaginary Canon “A9” alike mirrorles camera made by David Riesenberg.
It’s going to be a very tough battle between Sony and Canon next year. Rumor has it that there will be very soon “leaks” about a Canon Sony A9 alike competition camera. It’s mirrorless, full frame and has a 50MP sensor. The Sony A9 is still scheduled for an early 2015 launch (likely February?).
Source: Mirrorlessrumors.
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Beautiful, I’ll buy it even if it’s Canon 🙂
A-mount is so dead.
Looks like EF might be.
Far from it. Canon isn’t Sony, it understands what “system” means and why it’s worth maintaining it + they got cash unlike Sony which is loosing billions, so they can easily keep mirrorless alongside DSLRs. Whatever mirrorless fanboys want or not – DSLRs will not die.
and so does the trolls…
The Canon will make a bigger impact on the market by virtue of the fact that it’s a Canon and they have a lot of mindshare. Hopefully Sony keeps this in mind when deciding what should and shouldn’t make it in the A9.
Canon already has a mirrorless, do you hear much about it though? Nope!
There you go, so much for Canon having a “bigger impact” on the mirrorless market. 🙂
Canon has a high-end mirrorless camera? Who knew!?
You didn’t say anything about high-end though.
Well, this is a story (rumor) about Canon making an A9-like camera, which I assume would belong in a specific market segment – high-end/ flagship, so I didn’t feel the need to specify. Makes no sense for me to make comments regarding entry level mirrorless in a story that has to do with flagship-esque cameras.
Back-peddle all you wish.
Ok, so you got me in a “gotcha” moment. Who cares? Does that invalidate anything I said? lol. Do you think that Sony can sell more cameras than Canon, when they’re both sold for $2500+?
But they still sell their mirrorless, because it’s stamped “Canon” 🙁
Lets predict how that battle will go: Sony offers the better camera, but Canon has the advantage of the brand name and wins the war.
I’m not so sure – getting people to change dslr brands is a big ask, but if you’re a pro switching to a new system then you’re going to go with the one that delivers the best results.
Canon don’t have a reputation for innovation and already have one mirrorless albatross around their necks.
Being a starting pro buying into system with uncertain future, such as E-mount, is just as big risk as changing brands. And in case of Canon – for large portion of a customers it won’t be a change of brand but rather just a change of mount. So everything else they’ll have – flashes, batteries, accessories, workflow – will remain the same. From a very beginning you’ll have an enormous ecosystem open for your camera – all that’s missing are going to be lenses (though again, to repeat E and m/43 users arguments: there are adapters which solve that one) Plus the fact that the largest powerhouse on a market will stand behind that system is an enormous advantage in terms of long-term future.
And these are just a few of advantages Canon Full Frame mirrorless will have even before we’re going to dig into the body itself.
It’s still early days I suppose – all the more reason for Sony to consolidate market share while they’ve got an open goal.
If Canon uses thier existing lens line up with this camera Sony wll lose market to Canon.
If this uses all new lenses Sony gains advantage.
I don’t think so. Time will say who is right though.
They will have to use an adapter when they want use current lenses on a mirrorless, like Sony has to for the A-mount lenses on E-mount. Then the problem of the lenses being optimized for PDAF comes to hunt you. Sony solved this by using SLT technology in the adapter, Canon may achieve this by OSPDAF.
Canon has no such advantage in the ILC mirrorless and compact markets. Canon sell dSLRs to soccer moms and idiots who read Popular Photography wanting to take images like the “pros” do so they “need” a Canon dSLR.
Mirrorless is open to the electronics giants Sony and Samsung, dinosaurs like Canon and Nikon can no longer rely on their brand name advantage as buyers of mirrorless couldn’t care less.
Sad but true for the brand name (despite their mirrorless could be crap) 🙁
Canon won’t or can’t win in the mirrorless camera, period.
Because… reasons.
Well, I actually think it might very well win, but there are two very valid and obvious reasons as to why it wouldn’t.
Selling t5s and 7D, yes! But not FF mirror less, This segment is not for the ill informed novices. Every mirror less camera, at least above midrange buyers are conscious tech savvy buyers who do a lot of research before burning their pockets.
You are fooling yourself if you think that only ill informed novices buy Canon. Their sales of professional cameras are over 10 times higher, and I assure you that finding pros shooting with Canon is by far, far, far easier than these few that happen to use Sony (regardless if it’s A or E mount).
Pros are still in the minority though and I’d certainly argue that the majority of Canon’s market share is exactly ill-informed novices.
Bye bye EF-M?
why? EF-M can acomodate FF sensor so there is no need to change it.
For the same reason you can’t use an EF-s lens on a EF-body – mandatory separation instead of customer discretion.
Yes, it seems possible (I’ve checked the throat diameter of the EF-M now). I just had fresh in memory a discussion on a Canon forum where some people claimed it was impossible to use EF-M in FF. Seems Canon is plagued by the same “no-can-do” trolls as we had before A7 proved differently.
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Well, I think it’s worthy to see what the direct competition will do or not? Or do we live on a lonely planet with Sony cameras only? 🙂
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Well the idea is not bad but I’m afraid that needed a bit of work, next time put a bit more effort into it?
Whatever it is Canon will not want to hurt dSLR sales so it will be cr@p!
It’ll be interesting to see what the response to an evf is, given how the tame canon press bang on about it with Sony bodies. Hopefully it’ll make sony step up their game on lens releases – they’re making good progress but they need to keep the momentum up.
The big question is lens compatability…will they use current Canon lenses….have they resolved the current issues….if so this camera will be major competition.
Interestingly Canon Rumors yestrday rated this. CR0 and says they doubt this camera will be.
For what I understood from Mirrorless rumors is that Canon will make ANOTHER (!!!) mount for that FF mirrorless.
What I know for sure is: the DR on that camera will be comparable to M4/3 cameras, as always (even thought it’s a FF).
DR is a killing factor for me, raw does not help when it comes to video. Even Sonys´ four years old nex-5n outperforms the new 7D MKII in DR (in video). I would love to be proven wrong….let´s see what Canon can do.
It’s a killing factor for me as well. Although it’s pretty easy to see where Canon is going: they assume that the current image quality is “good enough” (and they aren’t completely wrong. But it’s nice to have at least 13 EV to work with instead of 11…) and are focusing on AF speed & accuracy.
Anyway, competition is good and I’m very curious to see whether that rumor comes true or not.
Sony “also” needs to look at the SPECS of the new SamSung (also Electronics Co.) of the NX1 … and the EVF almost Zero lag and fps and -4EV AF , multi core processors … because that is a real product shipping (tho APS-C) : http://www.dpreview.com/articles/0892989376/real-world-test-going-pro-with-the-samsung-nx1?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=features-default&utm_medium=homepage-block&ref=features-default
I saw the NX1 HD video from there, so it s a very good competitor for Sony APS-C models like Sony a6000 but not for FF ones…They should have worked on a FF models to get more attention instead if struggling in Megapixels battle
I asked in a email to sony and this is what they said about a new A99ii –this was from the shop.sony-europe.com maybe they are B-S ‘n us but that what the reply was
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The A99 MKII will be coming out in the New Year, I believe January is the projected month.
It is currently available for pre-order on the website. I would say it is well worth the wait.
My apologies for the late response, I have been on holiday and your email was mistakenly placed in my queue.
Kind regards,
Sony Store Online
The A99II isn’t going to appear until August, it’s the usual time for announcement.
shows the pro level of customer service in sony stores…he confused the A99II with A7II 🙂 Sony should stop supporting those stores… the knowledge of the staff there…oh my god… 😀
It’s not like management makes it any easier. NEXes should have stayed as a separate brand. It’d save both: Sony and customers a lot of confusion and misunderstandings.
Either this person has made a huge error and does not know what he is talking about … OR he has made a Huge error and did the BEST “Leak” ever (on a traceable email) lol .. either way a huge error. … I can only hope it’s the BEST LEAK ever !
personally I think SONY should make the a9 36mp (a proven sensor) .. and make it Blazing FAST. and EVF with Zero Lag. with great AF-C , 8fps RAW , 16fps APS-C crop mode, -4EV AF , internal 4k recording. two SD slots supporting the Fastest newest SD cards. … Keep the Super High RES (which will be slower) in there back pocket until Canon commits to a Higher 50mp and then look at the spec , performance , THEN “Beat it” !
Add 8K photography to the mix, or perhaps keep that for the A11 🙂
“EVF with Zero Lag” – that’s against laws of physics.
“with great AF-C” – if your great means what my great does – it’s not possible with mirrorless, at least: not now.
Barry is going to kill you for spreading such blastfamy. Lol…
dont forget high speed recording for super slow motion..really wanting this feature to play with.
high fps battle after high ISO battle?
Canon rumors usually become true after 5 years.
Competition is good and hopefully will lead to drastic price drops.
this is not real, CR is too desperate and posted this. No one will straightly go such strategy without establish the solid based. like wise Sony have done it at again and again here:
A33, A55 (test water) –>A77 (B1 stepping) –> A99 (C1 stepping) –>A77II (extremely edition)
Nex3,5 (test water) –> Nex7 (B1 stepping) –> A6000/A7/r/s (C1 stepping) –> A7II (C2 stepping) –> A9 (D1 steppinmg + extreme edition)
Canon rumours have dismissed this rumour.
Andrea On another matter will the A9 have this???
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-e-m5-successor-has-sensor-shift-to-create-up-to-40-megapixel-images-on-the-fly/
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The one real question is, how the rumor roadmap looks like and when we will recive detailed infos on Jan/Feb cameras/products.
For me it would make sense to release A9 and A99 II in Jan/Feb
I’d take that a9 as soon as they can get it out the door~! Feb seems like such a long time from now..and while I don’t do many smily face events..the idea of doing one with the R is…well..I’d try to go bum my friends S if i could..
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Interesting to see how rumors are created: This is based on a not so recent Canon interview were a rep said that a high megapixel camera will come sooner than later and that also Canon is serious about the M-line. This now was mixed and -voila – we have the rumor of a high megapixel mirrorless camera.
Yes, exactly- the high MP rumor is for EOS DSLRs, and the EOS-M (or successor) is a
completely different rumor that has been re-circulated a number of times recently. Another problem with Canon rumors is that they can have a number of similar but different prototypes out for evaluation at the same time. I personally saw one of these evaluation
models prior to the EOS 7D2 release (via a colleague under NDA). I was quite excited about one particular aspect of this and there were rumors making the rounds at the time but unfortunately this feature wasn’t in the eventual 7D2.
My point is that I know exactly what I saw and I could have posted “accurate details” of what was coming in the 7D replacement, but I would have been wrong! I wonder how many other “reliable sources” are misleading for various similar reasons?
If this is true it would be incredibly good news. It would make a lot of sense for Canon to do this, and with proper competition, Sony will do an even better job and it will lower prices.
We all know that at least one other manufacturer will come with a full frame mirrorless camera because Zeiss is preparing the Loxias to have at least 1 other mount.
Where did you hear that?
Zeiss aren’t dummies – they’re in it to make money, and if they’re going to develop an entirely new line of lenses it makes sense for them to do it in multiple mounts. So whether this rumor is true or not, it certainly makes sense.
Considering the amount of bashing and rivalry between A and E-mount shooters here, and the never ending nag about too big lenses, too small bodies, useless adapters, slow AF, lack of stabilization, OVF vs EVF etc etc. I can conclude one thing. If Canon means business with their mirrorless effort and start pumping serious money into that project, they are in for one hell of a trip. Not only is the Canon crowd much larger than Sonys, I find them notably more conservative. Simply put, the transition will be really ugly. But yeah, in the long run, competition is good.
Canon is so serious about their M-line that they put an 70D sensor inside 😉
Considering the amount of bashing and rivalry between A and E-mount
shooters here, and the never ending nag about too big lenses, too small
bodies, useless adapters, slow AF, lack of stabilization, OVF vs EVF etc
etc. I can conclude one thing. If Canon means business with their
mirrorless effort and start pumping serious money into that project,
they are in for one heck of a trip. Not only is the Canon crowd much
larger than Sonys, I find them notably more conservative. Simply put,
the transition will be really ugly. But yeah, in the long run,
competition is good.
competition is good. 100%.
Well, at least it will have a chance not to look as fugly as A7 does.
Even that silly render seems to be ten times more attractive.
In general, people tend to take pictures WITH a camera not OF it. Ergonomy over aesthetics, please…
Yea, as if A7 would have any edge in ergonomic design over any high-end body. trololo too much? They improved it a bit with A7II, but it’s still far from being as comfortable as, say, A99.
I agree about the lacking ergonomics in the original A7, but it seems they are taking the right path with the mkII, which isn’t even (IMO) that ugly anyway.
Canon is not Sony.
Good.
Hopefully this will force Sony to actually MAKE more lenses.
Also hope it can force Sony to go all out and create a rangefinder style body with no hump, FF, IBIS and silent shutter with fully articulated LCD screen (like a77/a99).
Come on Sony, let’s do this!
Why on earth would you want to have a rangefinder in your camera? The only advantage would be lower battery usage compared to EVF, but that’s it. 19th century technology in 21st century camera, come on?! EVFs are getting better and better every iteration. A (proper) rangefinder would just increase the manufacturing costs.
More lenses, yes please! I NEED the 1.4/35mm (announced) and a 1.4/85mm…
“Why on earth would you want to have a rangefinder in your camera?” – OVF, obviously. I know that from a perspective of SAR readers it might be difficult to comprehend, but majority of people do not ingest EVFs like a young pelicans.
I currently shoot with OVF, on a Canon 6D to be exact, and while there’s nothing wrong with it (I like the big bright viewfinder it has) I’m not desperately in love with it and would replace it with an EVF if they make it right… OVF is an old dinosaur and WILL die eventually. Maybe not tomorrow but in some years.
Yea, I also read on m4/3 forums that good lenses are a dinosaurs and software processing is a perfect alternative…. whatever.
The MFT-folks also say there’s no need for high ISOs or shallow depth of field. They say it because they need to explain themselves why they don’t need bigger sensors (because most of the time they just cannot afford one 😉 )
Having said that, you don’t ALWAYS need high ISOs or shallow depth of field etc, but you can eventually get comparable or even better shooting experience with EVF than OVF. And If I could select the AF-point/group from a touchscreen on A7II I wouldn’t even hesitate on buying one 😛
Lost the argument and went for the straw man?
How about someone that used rangefinder cameras for many years and optical viewfinders for decades. The EVF is by far one of the best new technologies to be added to cameras since autofocus.
He said RF *STYLE* body. Like the Nex 6, Nex 7, A6000, all the Fuji.
Fair enough, but what’s the advantage? The model feels more relaxed as the photographer’s stupid grin is fully revealed and not hidden behind the camera? 😀
Maybe I’m just used to having the viewfinder in the middle at the top and therefore it feels most natural place for it…
This is just my *personal* opinion, ok?
I think that RF-styled cameras are more discreet. Also, to the eyes of the “common” people (non-photographers), a RF camera looks more like a P&S to them, leaving them more relaxed. It can be good for street photography or even when making portraits.
A camera with a hump immediately reminds people of dSLRS –or, as people call it “professional camera”– grabbing much more attention and/or making people more ‘afraid’ of the camera.
On a side note: I’m really interested on the A7 mk II (or the A9). But it’s almost the same size as my Pentax K5!
Granted, the Pentax IS small for a flagship dSLR and the A7 mk II is also small for a FF camera.
But, I guess, that if I took the A7 mk II for a walk, with that size AND that hump on the top, I’d get more attention (people would see it as a dSLR) than if I had a Leica, for instance.
You might be right about the discreetness, who knows.
The size of the A7II is not a problem to me, I use Canon 6D right now but would not mind getting a bit smaller and lighter FF.
Remember though, that getting rid of mirror is not only about size. It’s also about getting lower manufacturing costs (eventually), better focusing aids and customizability using EVF/liveview, WYSIWYG, AF-accuracy (no more back/frontfocus issues) – you name it. The mirror just slows things down – think about having global electronic shutter on your mirrorless and you get FPS you never dreamed of! This will never happen, unless we start getting rid of that more and more obsolete mirror… 🙂
Yes, I believe that those who are using “traditional” FF dSLRs like yourself will find the A7 and family “small enough”.
Actually, I’m not obsessed with size per se. But form factor.
I know it’s hard (never say never regarding technology advancements!) to have a FF with IBIS as small as a A6000. But, from personal experience with the Nex 6, the form factor (not size!) does make a difference on how people perceive your camera.
Another bonus for a camera that looks like a P&S: you won’t get (too much) trouble on those places where ‘professional cameras’ are not allowed :p
(even if it’s a measly Canon 1000D or Nikon D3000…)
If I’m not mistaken, Sony reps themselves said that the option for the hump on the A7 was completely arbitrary. It did NOT have to have that hump. They could’ve added an EVF and keep the box shape.
(of course if I had the money right now I’d grab an A7 Mk II and be happy with it. Since I do not have the money, I’ll keep hoping that Sony ever releases a ‘Nex’ FF camera with IBIS on an RF shape, and saving money for when/if that day arrives)
Personally I don’t even care what the camera looks like as long as it’s got got ergonomics. I wouldn’t even try a 3-hour photoshoot-session with a P&S-style camera, but it’s not a big deal with my 6D+vertical grip.
As long as I can get a good, steady grip on the camera-body and the controls are where fingers can reach naturally it could as well be shaped like a banana… 😛
I don’t disagree with you. If I have a task to do, I’ll do it with the best tool I have. Doesn’t matter how it looks like. Or the looks I may -or may not- get.
And, like I said, if I could, I would buy the A7 Mk II right now. For me, IBIS is much more important than a big faux-VF on the top. Would I prefer another look? Yes. Would I avoid the camera because of how it looks like? No.
But we all have our “dream camera” don’t we? Heheheheh!
the only thing which concerns me would be balance on the face. My first point is the eyecup, then nose to stabilize and finally resting the bottom of the camera on my lip. 3 points, which aren’t perfect but in a camera which busts you for pretty much every movement stability is important! I fear without that eye piece it would be very difficult to get the camera balance on your face.
Well, apart from the hard and uncomfortable default eyepice from the Nex 6, I’ve never felt it less stable than using a dSLR.
Even when using (for the fun of it) the Tamron 70-200mm F2.8 (which I have for the Pentax), it felt surprisingly stable as well. I was expecting to be harder to handheld that combo.
YMMV, though.
yea..not so great for me(canon 7-200ii 2.8) but as you can see my heads a lil big! lol… Its not horrible, like I’m fine and all, but without an eye piece it would be concerning. Granted, kinda smelled the R getting updated early so skipped the battery grip. If my pinky and ring finger weren’t floating it would likely be a bit better.
I can’t see any room for evf module to be located below the top of the frame.
Why didn’t Sony just make a small A-mount mirrorless body then? No adapters are need!
Ask Sony, not me :p
But wouldn’t be a bad idea.
I considered the Pentax K-01 but…. well….. let’s say that that thought didn’t last long for obvious reasons.
For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flange_focal_distance
And because the A-mount lenses have different type AF-motor. Meaning it won’t work well with hybrid AF, which needs to make many fast corrections instead of one big move, which in turn requires lighter focusing optics and motors that are capable of changing turn quickly as well… that’s why.
There is no advantage, it’s just a backward thinking idea.
Stop defending this POS, it looks old and ugly.
Yeah, because looking like a traditional dSLR is so much newer and cooler, right?
Well, your K-5 is a rather small APS-C DSLR, so the a7 mmii being smaller is still ok.
Virtually the same size: http://camerasize.com/compare/#579,187
Doesn’t look the same from the side 🙂 Anyway, point still stands, you are comparing a generally small APS-C camera to a FF one.
Yes, I did compare a small high-end APS-C dSLR to a small fullframe (small compared to the other fullframes out there). And, like I said, even though I’d like a smaller camera, what “bothers” me the most is form factor, not size.
But, still, if I had the money I’d buy it anyway, faux-prism and all.
C’mon, people, can’t I have a wishful thinking here?
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Im with you regarding viewfinders 🙂 The only thing specific to viewfinders would be popping it back just a little, or doing that whole Nikon Eye cup thing. I smudge the evf with my lashes all the time which has become relevant as the af on the R is moody, or I’m using an old lens with manual focus. Either way a good clean seal would be fantastic!
Why on earth would you want to have a rangefinder in your camera?
Because he’s an idiot.
If they natively use Canon’s super wide variety of lenses it could be dangerous to E-Mount or it could start a whole new mirrorless ‘war’.
It can only be (realistically) done in two ways:
1) Use the EF mount. Would make it impossible to build small bodies or adapt any lenses more than a few, like today. Okay for some, not okay for others.
2) Use an EF adapter on EF-M mount. A surprisingly large number of Sony shooters refuse to use adapted lenses. A very large number of shooters in the Canon camp will most likely do the same.
So, it’s not that easy as to say- “Canon has a large lens portfolio that will help them in their introduction of a mirrorless camera”. As a Sony shooter doing most of my shooting with manual focus today, I already have access to that huge Canon lens portfolio. No need to move to a Canon camera for that. 🙂
Sony users refuse to use adapters because they do not work well and lenses are not fully compatable.
Ibis now resolves some of the compatability issues but others remain.
If Canon can resolve the compatability issues that Sony has so far failed to solve and all Canon lenses work via non optical adapters, they will kick Sony’s butt.
If Sony solves the compatability issues too, and makes thiers fully Canikon compatable, and makes a better camera…they will kick Canons butt.
This war will be won or lost by compatability.
What compatibility issues remain?
Sony will never make their cameras natively compatible with Canikon lenses. Never.
That IS a compatability issue.
As is the necessity for mirrored laea4 adapter rather than simple extension tube like adapter.
Why do you keep moving the goalposts? Before the A7II, you were saying that E-mount bodies were incompatible with A-mount lenses because of lack of IBIS. Now that has arrived you’re now asking for completely unrealistic compatibility with Canikon lenses. Are you ever happy?
LA-EA4 being mirrored is not an incompatibility. It provides a solution as good as any SLT camera with the same AF module. The only argument to be made is to bring out a better model with A77II or better AF module.
This is not a football game.
Goalposts do not stay in one place..the competition keeps moving them.
If you stay at the old qoalpost the game will move on without you.
With the addition of ibis A mount has indeed moved a lot closer to full compatability.
The competition hasn’t even placed a foot on the pitch yet!
Not yet!
Im just surprised you havent mentioned the sigma sport yet. Thats your sole reason for these discussions the last weeks about compability. It was already old second time around.
Canon has already tried. They have issues too. Their present EF-M – EF adapter require STM lenses for quiet and fast AF, and FF lenses result in drop in contrast on EOS M cameras due to light bouncing around inside the adapter. (Yes I am a frequent silent visitor at other brand forums) As I tried to say, the matter is not that simple. Only time will tell. I can only say that a lot of the discussions I see on Canon mirrorless forums today, looks a lot like the ones seen on Sony NEX forums a couple of years ago.
Its more about long lens’s when you phrase it like that. Wides are mostly landscapers and my 16-35 performed…not so great.. when paired with the big sensor of the 7r. The new Sony 16-35 za f4 OSS pummels it. Pummels..
He said wide variety of lenses not wide focal lengths
It will be a war of words from the Canon fanboy bloggers, not much else.
So, you’re from the future?
Could that do Sony too with their A9?
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/finally-a-rumor-that-will-happen-for-sure-e-m-mark-ii-has-sensor-shift-resolution-trick
Sony could use A7s sensor and move it 4 times, voila the 48MP with 12MP noise performance!
Insane and simple!
It depends on what sensor Canon is using. If it is a Sony sensor there is no competition and no drama. Sony is then a world leading component supplier to Nikon and Canon, and Sony continuous to make a few cameras to show off new Sony technology.
If Canon uses a sensor of their own, nothing at all changes and CaNikon continues to share the bulk of the market.
I’ve read here over the past month or two that Sony wasn’t planning on farming the sensor they are using with the a9 out and are planning on going head to head in a serious way with Canon.
The first question is whether Canon will use Sony sensors. If they do, Canons agreement with Sony will most likely prevent head to head competition. Sony can then use a similar sensor in a small volume of their own cameras. Compare the situation with D810 and A7.
If Canon use their own sensors Sonys options are more open, but still somewhat restricted by their agreements with Nikon.
Of course its all rumor 🙂 but! I heard that the a9 will have a new sensor to free them from prior contracts. That is, the previous cameras have been more testing the water and various tech(s), and the a9 is their; we’re in the game now, body.
One can hope!
Hope is good, but I don’t think so.
Sony produces the worlds best sensors and EVFs. The big money is in selling this technology to camera manufacturers like Nikon and Canon. I do not expect Sony to do anything to jeopardize this.
If a stellar, FF, high resolution Sony mirrorless camera comes out of this, great.
But what do you do about lenses ?
The hope is buoyed, by Canon being ruffled, at the R & S’s performance over the past year. If Canon makes a play with a sony sensor they will have to withstand the whole rebranded sony wave of criticism. To distinguish themselves, a different branded sensor might be valuable.
Far as lenses..
the 16-35 blows my canon 16-35 ii 2.8 out of the water. Would I like it to have been a 2.8..sure..of course.. I mean, why wouldn’t want faster…pretty much all the time. That said, this lens is great enough that I don’t care about f4…at all..not even a little bit.
24-70 Different story. Entirely. Not a fan.. Its workable, but if another option were presented
7-200 is pretty solid. With the increase in iso performance its possible to do smily face events with it. I used it with the S a week ago, using nothing but the stage lights for a guy playing guitar and it performed very well. IF the a9 gets a nice bump in iso performance bringing it closer to the S, like if we could get anywhere in the 6400-10k range it would make the f4 irrelevant.
The big problem with natives is contrast detection is a bit much for the camera on the R. I’m guessing this is a big reason for the new sensor as it will have taken the feedback over the past year to heart.
We shall see!
If you have a real camera (ie a Canon), try the new Canon 16-35 F4, I tried it and it’s quite good. Not Zeiss prime good but very good indeed.
thats such a lateral move. I mean the drop to f4 and natives was to take advantage of the R’s sensor. That and the big sensor seems to illuminate shortcomings previously invisible on smaller, less detailed images, which are made with the 5dmkiii. Dropping to f4 on the 5dmkiii’s sensor would be…
Meh..
Really? Isn’t it time to get a new pusher?
Always liked the girlfriend analogy for camera gear. Makes more sense.
But mounted on a real (Canon) camera with the worst image sensor in the industry, the results will be mediocre. A much lesser lens on a state of the art sensor (Sony) will out resolve it in detail and exhibit many more stops of dynamic range. So much for the “real” camera, that statement is laughable.
1. Nikon uses Sony sensors, so can Canon. The re-branding fiasco was Hasselblad selling WHOLE Sony cameras under the Hasselblad name. Nikon and Canon using Sony sensors is totally cool Jobe !
2. You are comparing Canon and Sony lenses. They are both second rate. You need to compare Nikon and Sony lenses to see the light.
Nikon has it share of clunkers too, and some are very expensive. But the fanboys will still worship anything Nikon (or any other revered brand) puts out. Regardless of performance.
A. Nikon has it share of clunkers too.
Yes.
B. And some are very expensive.
Yes.
C. But the fanboys will still worship anything Nikon (or any other revered brand) puts out. Regardless of performance.
Yes.
D. Nikon prime lenses outperform the best of Canon lenses.
I’ve got a couple nikon a too! I will agree that nikons glass tends to render a bit more detail than canon(antedoctally). In all honestly I’m a camera slut. Whatever piece works best in that moment is cool with me. It should be said though that swapping focus styles(lefty, then righty) makes my head want to explode some days. I don’t use af all the time, or even most..but Somedays its really nice to have!
Ps: that whole Hassy thing is pure /facepalm
a fullframe mirrorless with awesome retro styling AND a new sensor AND compatability to all my EF lenses? oh, i would sell all my fuji stuff….please canon, don´t 😀
You wouldn’t be the only one. Camera like that could really become a hit in Europe and US. Though AFAIK Canon said that they are not interested in creating retro cameras. Well… there’s always Nikon out there….
It is physically impossible to be directly compatible with EF lenses. Software cannot change the pyhsical difference in flange distance. Unless they use the same flange distance and make a giant mirrorless camera which would be weird at best.
of course, but all thats needed to make it work would be a short extension tube for EF lenses. so maybe a 35 or 50mm “native” prime for everyday use, and my EF glass with adapter for paid assignments.
Competition is always good for the consumer. What is Canon planning on doing about the lens situation? Obviously they can adapt their current EF lenses, but are they planning on a new line of FF mirrorless glass?
This isn’t competition, it’s a joke.
The camera looks old and stupid, only morons with more money than brains would even consider something looking os hideous. Canon Fail!
what is old and stupid is the fact that people take renderings (and not official ones) for granted, so yeah, more moronic comments please
Only a true fanboy could love that ugly POS. Beauty is in the eyepiece of the beholder.
FYI – the only thing from Canon I have is almost 10 years old Pixma printer – there you go, some food for your fanboy theory
Toss your ipad in to the garbage and learn to read. That’s not a canon drawing.
but…but…dat eyepiece!
I’d love that eyepiece for the a9. Something to keep the old face grease on the eyelash down. And a good seal on the eye socket preventing light from getting in. Shooting with the EVF in the middle of the day can be rough! From like 7 o’clock to 10 light blasts in and is a bit harder to manage than with an OVF.
A cheap accessory that can be added to virtually any camera.
It should be very popular with the dimwits that purchased the Hasselblad Stellar.
Or Nikon Df (don’t focus) owners.
Will definitely bite out a big chunk of their market share.
It’s not a Canon drawing. How stupid do you have to be to believe it is?
What, Canon is mentioned !???
Wait, the same sensor?
With clunky AF?
Awesome. If they announce the new cam at CP+ along with Sony (A9), they will have to fight for my money 🙂 Whatever camera has IBIS wins.
Yeah, because canon has a long tradition in delivering whatever kind of bodies with IBIS!
I will take one of Rangefinder styled, hope there will be one. I hate centered EVF in such small mirrorless like A7. Silly concept.
“Rangefinder styled” should have a rangefinder. I think you mean compact mirrorless.
If Canon nails it they could have a game changer. I think there competitive advantage is they haven’t managed to alienate their user base. I bet the mount might be better implemented as well. Who knows. We’ll find out soon enough.
If the camera shown is anything like the finished product, it will just be a nail in Canon’s coffin.
Totaly agree. I don’t need a dslr tower on my mirrorless camera.
I only want the rangfinder mirrorless aps-c!
My next a6000 mrk2 aps-c:
-SILENT shutter !!!!
-shutter 1/8000
-the same hot shoe without paint (for third party flash)
-even better sensor: more detail and less noise iso 1600.
Rangefinder? Are you nuts? Have you even used a rangefinder?
I don’t think Canon will do such a thing. As far as I know, they do cameras, unlike Sony consumer corp…
This is just throwing a bone to the Canon fanboys that want a serious mirrorless camera with the Canon name written on it. It looks dated, will lack any kind of image stabilization, and is in dire need of a good sensor. Canon can do dated, but nothing else. Canon Fail.
I would argue with you here if it wasn’t for them dropping A mount in favor of E Mount. That does sound like a lame consumer management decision, not an engineering design one. Setting them selves up for failure.
On the bright side though canon lenses are generally noncompetitive so maybe not such a big deal.
When did Sony drop A-Mount? Last I heard there was a new a77II and three lens updates coming. Not much different than most camera companies are releasing.
Ahhh simplicity from a real camera company. And a hot shoe and lens mount that doesn’t require screwball adapters or abandon legacy user investment.
Sony’s screwed. Hope she enjoyed it while it lasted. She just awoke the sleeping giants.
The first try of your sleeping giants was rather embarrassing, Mr. EF-M ain’t no EF-S
And the AF speed of dedicated lenses was pathetic to say the least. Forget about AF speed with EF lenses. 😛
A real camera company!! 🙂 Sure, a real copymachinecompany!
Let’s see what Canon brings. Where they gonna get a great EVF? And where are they gonna get a great FF sensor?
I would love the compatition, but I today I say: No Can do…
Sleep tight giants!
OMG, this is getting better and better. If the two bigs enter the competition, it would be to our advantage. Probably, we can get a 50MP ff mirrorless at 1700 euros some time. lol
I do not understand why sonyfanboys do not welcome new players in the field. You can still get Sony cameras but less expensive due to the competition, don’t you like it?!!! I totally agree with you that the Canon sensor is prehistoric, but anyone who question the quality of Canon lenses should be a fool. It simply produces the best bang for the buck. It’s 135mm f2L is just marginally behind the Zeiss 135mm APO with blazing fast AF and half the price.
Of course we love the competition! And yes, Canon (and Nikon) make great lenses (like Sony Zeiss). I use Leica, Jupiter, Voigtlander, Tair, Zeiss and Canon lenses (50mm 1.4) on my A7r. All great (MF) lenses with the vintage touch I love so much.
And I like ‘m small.
And I use the 35mm and 55mm Sony Zeiss lenses. Also great lenses.
Hehe Tair? Didn’t expect to see it in that list. Also Jupiter is not a brand.
The 135L is no where near a showcase lens for Canon. They have lenses that most people on sites like these haven’t even seen in a shop window… let alone have used and experienced.
I’ve never been a Canon owner (Pentax) but now strictly shoot mirrorless, but all my lenses are EF mount – Leica-R adapted and a wide zoom Tokina. I just find that EF is universal to almost everything in the professional world. If Canon came out with something EF compatible and had similiar performance, I’d likely go that route. BUT sony has the upcoming PZ 28-135 e-mount cine/ENG lense coming out and since that can’t be adapted to anything else and is about $20k to $30k cheaper than anything else close to it, I will go A9 for at least this reason alone. If Sony bows out of the megapixel race and gives A7s like sensitivity and low noise, then I’d go Sony anyways. (Assuming they fix the very bad rolling shutter)
I just bought a Seikanon 28-80mm MD lens. Hot bag of garbage. With a mere 6 FOOT minumum focusing distance and a 3.5 aperature as sharp as a butter knife it’s a real winner. BUT, I do see that Minolta made a 28-200mm! Sony…Zeiss…give me this. Give me a 28-200 manual focus F3.5 constant. Epic…EPIC!!!!