Future A77II owner can “study” their camera by downloading the full manuals at Sony UK (Thanks Alphaguy). Ijsvogel is sharing his A77II tests at Dyxum.
The big reminder is that A7s pricing and RX100M3 camera could be announced on May 16 (likely at 5-6am London time).
Sony A77II specs, preorders and shipment date:
Sony A77 body in USA at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Sony Store (Click here) and BHphoto (Click here).
Sony A77 with 16-50mm lens at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Sony Store (Click here) and BHphoto (Click here).
Sony A77 body in Europe at Sony Germany, Sony UK, Sony France, Sony IT, ES, NL, BE, AT, CH, PT, NO, SE, FI and Wex UK.
Sony A77 in Asia at Digitalrev and Sony Australia.
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Cony Poland: http://www.sony.pl/electronics/aparaty-z-wymiennymi-obiektywami/ilca-77m2-body-kit
Page 65 on AF Points:
SAL75300, SAL1118, SAL55200, SAL1855, SAL18552, SAL55200-2, SAL30M28, SAL55300
Can only use 61 points.
… only …
Not really – the 75-300 is full frame what’s interesting is DT lenses like the 16-50, 35/1.8 and 50/1.8 aren’t on the list.
Hrm… maybe too less (corner) sharpness, so it is actually a guide to lenses you should not buy 😉
I wonder what are they like for light falloff when wide open?
That could be it – would explain why the 75-300 is there. Not sure about the 30/2.8 though
Haha, but of a c0ck-up on Sony’s part telling people the lenses that they should avoid. At least if third-party lenses don’t have serious light falloff the chance is that they will work with all AF points.
Looks like all of these lenses are slow front-focusing, front-element rotating lenses.
Nope, 30M28 doesn’t do the latter.
75-300 APS-C
70-300G Full Frame
75-300 not 70-300G
http://store.sony.com/full-frame-a-mount-lenses/cat-27-catid-All-Full-Frame-A-Mount-Lenses
SAL75300 is a full frame lens.
Full Frame Lenses
http://store.sony.com/full-frame-a-mount-lenses/cat-27-catid-All-Full-Frame-A-Mount-Lenses
The SAL75300 is full frame. I don’t know why you are posting a link to the Sony store.
Sorry, guys.
You’re right about the 75-300.
That’s ok mate, as my wife constantly reminds me, even I am not perfect.
Not that you’d want to put it anywhere near a full frame body. Or an apsc body, for that matter.
Have a look at dyxum – it’s definitely full frame.
We know o_O
Nobody said that list only contains DT lenses…
I am reply to Thiago.
Sorry. Disqus just sucks big balls as always. This is how it looked to me:
“… only …” as in the sarcasm response to “only 61 AF Points”.
– We are sure getting gready 🙂
Most DT lenses…?
Hmm, doesn’t seem to be any logic to these lenses – mixture of very old to fairly new. Only obvious thing they have in common is they’re all either SAM or screw drive. But lenses like the 50/1.4 (screw driven) and 35/1.8 (SAM seem to be fully supported. I wonder where this leaves 3rd party lenses?
I’d like to say perhaps focusing speed, but clutching at straws tbh.
Could be, although in that case I’d expect the 50/2.8 and 100/2.8 to also be on the list… The only other factor being they’re all lenses I wouldn’t touch with a bargepole lol
Thinking the same thing. My guess is that third party lenses mostly do not use all the points.
I don’t think it is a third-party issue per-se, it looks to me like the outer AF points simply don’t work with poor lenses.
It’s because the Cross Auto Focus points don’t work with lens slower than F2.8! Any fast lens will work!
My Maxxum7 cross focusing points don’t support slow lens either!
The outer AF points on the A77ii will be the problem. They will not work if the lens vignettes. Since we don’t know which AF points are affected, this is purely guess work, but because the AF points are spread quite wide, it’s what I think. One of the lenses listed is a f2.8 too!
Hmm it’s a macro so it’s really an f4 at macro distances I suppose… Maybe it’s because it’s apsc macro?
The cross sensor will AF at f5.6 won’t they? It’s only the centre AF point that requires f2.8.
There are 15 cross, not 18.
But why’s the 30/2.8 on the list?
TQ admin for all the good leaks especially a7s price lol…
should i click banners/ads while i’m sating tuned or just to stay tuned without clicking them? 🙂
Anything about the video will be cropped?
Beyond cropping for 16×9?
Doesn’t the a77 crop a little bit more than that? I remember doing the math and coming to the conclusion that the a77 video crop is close to the gh3 16:9. (Since the gh3 sensor is actually a little bigger than normal m43 in 16:9).
I couldn’t tell you, though if the electronic image stabilization is enabled then it does zoom and crop into the image ( and it is very poorly done).
It would be nice if there was a full pixel 16×9 optional mode that uses the center of the frame without pixel binning. The downside is no wide field of views, but it could make for a nice option under the right conditions.
Well, I wish I’ve the option to disable the stabilization (just like a99?) I’m not asking too much, am I? 🙂
Really? Video steady shot cannot be turned off on the a77? It can even be turned off on the rx100, are you certain?
AFAIK you can turn the steady shot off in video, but the crop stays the same.
Hi Christopher, yes. Something like the previous a77 or a57. The video will be slightly cropped. How about this one?
This PDF will be my bedtime story for tonight
Looks like my configurable Exposure Compensation button came true, now the question is, to what functions it can be reconfigured.
Really good news about the af performance. Good samples too, but I’d like to have a plays with the raws to be honest.
The only valuable info I got from this PDF is how to hold the camera properly on page 56, other than that there is nothing new for me at least
Anything about that 16-35 FE lens??
The manual confirms the upgrade to steadyshot — Now works when shutter half pressed, so it should stabilize the viewfinder. It also implicitly acknowledges this as the reason for the lesser battery life. (Suggests turning off this upgrade to save battery).
Noteworthy that the full 79 focus points do not work with all lenses. They only list unsupported Sony lenses. But if it doesn’t support all Sony lenses, then I doubt all third party lenses are fully supported either.
So looks to me like the big upgrades really end up being:
-Stabilized viewfinder.
-Enhanced Autofocus options, flexible zones, changing tracking speed, etc., AF range limiter as found in the A99.
-Enhanced AF capabilities, more so with supported lenses.
-Bigger faster buffer
-Wifi and NFC
Still a question about image quality, obviously. And I didn’t see anything in the manual about the “eyeball” autofocus.
For a minor update I’m very excited about it. Ibis in viewfinder could be great for tele/macro.
I have never pre-ordered anything, but boy is this tempting.
I have – I just hope the firmware is better than the one the a77 first shipped with…
If the firmware is poor and in need of support, like on the original A65/77, then all I can say is that Sony did not release any decent firmware updates then so why should anyone expect them to this time. I’m waiting for ALL the test reports, reviews etc (and not just the early ones praising the camera like what happened with the A65/77) before even considering purchasing.
SONY – This is what happens when you refuse to support your cameras.
Seriously? The A77 basically released with a rushed to market beta firmware. The first few updates transformed it into a completely different camera. Functionally, with the exception of the flash issue, there’s very little to fault with the A77’s firmware as it currently stands (and all credit to Sony for turning it around). If you’ve got issues with the jpeg engine, shoot raw.
Indeed, if I recall correctly the initial batch of A77 had firmware loaded for a different processor that was used in the pre-production version. Something like that anyway. Huge c0ck-up of course.
I wouldn’t call it a “minor” update. It’s not earth shattering like going from dSLR to dSLT, but it appears to be a significant upgrade. If the IQ has measurably improved, then I’d call it a significant upgrade.
I’m happily shooting with an A99 and don’t have the budget for a second premium camera body. But I am jealous of some of the features that I’ll be missing, especially the stabilized viewfinder.
sar pls find some image or news for 16-35 and other FE lense!
Sony will have a difficult sales year this year.
Everyone knows stacked sensors will arrive next year so if Sony does not offer something extremely tempting many people will wait.
This camera is the same resolution as the a77.
Less than 1 stop iso improvement
Fast focusing is not funtional with many lenses..including all the lenses I use.
I very much wanted to upgrade my a77 but now that I see more of this camera it all appears to be hype.
I am not at all tempted to upgrade.
The new A mount cameras that will come out later this year are highly unlikely to contain new sensors..probabably the same sensors as the a7 series.
I hope Sony is smart enough to realize that the fact that A mount sales have droped this year and will continue to do so for the rest of the year it does not mean that people are no longer interested in A mount but that they are waiting for a real improvement.
Sony is free to release the stack sensor whenever it pleases. I doubt that they would release it soon after releasing new cameras in september, so I wouldn’t hold my breath for that.
Agreed – Barry, if this is the same source who told you the a77ii was 32mp, don’t get your hopes up… I doubt we’ll a stacked a77 for a couple of years (I’d love to be wrong about that though).
I am curious.
If Sony releases 36mp a99IIr in september as you are guessing and you know they will release 56mp stacked sensor camera sometime in 2015…would you buy now or wait?
For me, depends on the price. If it’s the same as the a99 then it’s out of my budget anyway
I think the answer to your question hinges on the degree to which one believes a 56MP stacked sensor will show up and are sure it will be heads and shoulders better than everything which proceeded it. I know you are. I need more proof.
If Sony releases a new a88/a99II based upon a7/a7R sensor tech it’s a clear indication the 56MP stuff is a ways down the pike. Since the a88/a99II rumor is a weak SR3 it’s plenty doubtful too.
So we sit and wait probably until September for clearer answers. Meanwhile the a77II is soon to be a known quantity. I have had my finger on cancelling my preorder but still cling to some faint hope some evidence it’s worth an upgrade will be revealed.
I think the a88 rumour is baloney. The a99ii will come at some point of course, but then you don’t have to be Mystic Meg to predict the a99ii as a model name. 🙂
right on, and a88 is a baaaaad name. hard to say, sound like stuttering!
Well, How did you judge that it has less than 1 stop ISO improvement? But if you have the a77 already, this isn’t going to be a great upgrade. Also may I ask you why does the fast AF don’t work with some lenses? Thanks.
Read the manual
@osc, @A77II and @Anonymous
One stop Improvement will be 2^1 times improvement. That means Photos taken in ISO 1600 in A77 will have the same noise level as ISO 3200 in A77II. I was actually pretty dissapointed as I was expecting for 1.5 stop. The A77 is 1-1.5 stop behind the D7100 in terms of High ISO.
Gotta read the manual about how the lenses don’t fully work on the AF system though…
What is this obsession with high ISO that people have? The vast majority of images I view on-line are those taken in DAYLIGHT. From the way people talk here I’d expect there to be nothing more than pictures in the dark at bazillion ISO. The A77 loses no more than half-a-stop with the SLT, get over it or get a Nikon, you’ll never be satisfied.
Shooting birds/very fast moving objects outdoors at 400mm with SAL70400G isn’t possible without >ISO 1600. I expect the A77II to be pretty clean at ISO 1600, so that’s why I think high ISO is a big deal. A good improvement is always hoped and welcomed.
i don’t own those cameras, but dxo rates a77 at ISO 800 and d7100 at ISO 1250. That for sure is more like half a stop. (And yes, dxo is not perfect, but it is the best we’ve got when it comes to objective measurements.) All I’m saying is: don’t hope for the impossible. 1 stop improvement is what happened between the minolta d7 and the sony a6000. That´s nine years of develpoment.
I used this:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyslta77/25
To compare the Cameras. Put the A77 @ISO1600 and D7100 @ISO3200. My eyes told me the D7100 pictures were better. By no means I want to overlook dxomark’s testings, but my eyes seems to say differently from what dxomark has said. Perhaps your eyes can differ with mine?
This is my main reason why I want at least a stop improvement from the A77 to the A77II… I really hope they can nail it. I will still buy it though, even when it only has half-a-stop improvement.
Barry is exaggerating (as usual). Some lenses AF with “only” 61 AF points not 79. See the discussion below showing us guessing why we think that is. Might be completely wrong of course. 😉
one stop improvement would be huge! that´s TWICE the sensitivity. my guess: forget about it
Stacked sensors will not come to market till 2018 or beyond.
Available 2002
Sigma Dont Count….
Niether do you.
Animalsbybarry, are you some sort of online prophet predicting everything what will happen to Sony? LOL. I enjoy shooting with my sony camera so everything you say is unimportant and insignificant
This is a rumor site. We are all prophets here.
I don’t think everyone knows stacked sensors are coming. I would wager most photographers do not know what a stacked sensor even is.
We can only shoot with the cameras available today not the ones we dream about tomorrow.
“Everyone knows stacked sensors will arrive next year so if Sony does not
offer something extremely tempting many people will wait.”
Practically nobody knows outside of this forum, it is a compete irrelevance to most photographers and potential purchasers. Even the ones here that do “know”, know that it is only a rumour and I would bet most of them don’t care either, certainly not to wait.
i think it’s time to stop hoping for doubling the light sensitivity of sensors between one generation and another. The minolta 7d is about one stop behind the a6000 (dxo). Thats almost ten years of development. Those things don’t happen overnight.
If you are just buying it…go for it.
If like me you already have an a77 then I need a good improvement to warrent the upgrade.
I dont see enough improvemnt for that.
If IQ is your only problem, then yeah you won’t find any major improvement, but if you need better AF, better Buffer, Faster Viewfinder update, this definitely seems worth the upgrade. Different people… different needs.
For me to justify an upgrade I need a real improvement or its a waste of money.
seriously tech challenged here, but im confused about how to choose a lens for a77ll apsc when premium prime sony a-mount lenses seem optimized for full frame sensors, the tech guys at sony say ONLY effective focal length is affected but im suspicious that there is more to story ??
Hi Jody. Effective focal length and aperture are increase by 1.5, so a 35mm f1.4 on an apsc body gives a similar depth of field to a 50mm f2 on a full frame body. Otherwise full frame primes and zooms work perfectly on an apsc body. If you’re just starting out, buy an a77ii with the 16-50 lens (it’s arguably the best apsc zoom out the market at the moment). Once you’ve got used to it, then have a look at primes (if your budget will stretch to it, I highly recommend the sigma 35/1.4).
Corner performance is usually better on an APS-C body too.
try this. you can change sensor size and focal length at will. FF is called 35mm film, and aps-c i called “digital” on this site: https://www.tamron-usa.com/lenses/learning_center/tools/focal-length-comparison.php
Haha – Sony must have a deal going on with the “Aftermarket Photo Manual” industry. They have such terrible manuals that half explain some things, completely eliminate others, and often you can find at least 2-3 items that are just completely wrong. It’s like the US website!
Agree 100%
Yes manuals are definitely not a strong point!!
I think i’ve found the answer to sony’s battery life problem. I think with this techonology we can now have 1000 shots per charge instead of 150-300 shots on full frame e-mount camera. No more changing batteries in the middle of a crucial moment. It will add confidence and security for photographers as well, longer video shooting and les batteries to charge when doing on location stuffs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJwZ9uEpJOo
I think sony japan should partner with this japanese power company. What do u guys think?
Always buy a battery grip.
The manual fails to mention one important fact: that Canon 70D and 7D, Nikon D7100 and D300s, Pentax K-3, Olympus E-M1 and Fujifilm X-T1 all eat the A77II for breakfast. Even the Nikon V3 blows it out of the sky. Lamest camera ever LOL!
lol the pentax, nikon n olympus cameras u mentioned are using sony sensors. Good thing sony eats sony because at the end sony still wins with its imaging sensor sales 🙂
why are people so stupid?? Sony “manufactuers” the sensor, they do NOT “design and architech” it. way to show your ignorance Sony Sensor.
The sensor will NEVER make the photographer, it will NEVER help with composition, choosing a good subject, choosing the correct f-stop, knowing how to use available light, and on and on and on.
I am sure everytime someone purchases an Apple device they go straight to the processor of it and ignore the design, the OS, the Apple ecosystem.
Youre ramblings make no sense.
That’s cause he’s an idiot
“a6000 are for poor people”
LMFAO!
A6000 obviously bought the wrong camera, and is now crying like a little b!tch. Maybe he should return it and get a real camera.
Fujifilm Finepix F30 FTW!
You’re a bigger one.
please, people, do you even know yourselves why you´re upset?
LOL
Right.
All the cameras you mentioned are obsolete junk/garbage. If your such a Sony hater maybe you should seek therapy.
You Fn troll
In A77 M2 there is no shutter lock-on AF. unlike A7,A7R,A99
too bad.
What is it you mean?
the mode, when it is possible to do the the lock-on of the tracing AF on the object by half pressing of the shutter button. Then you may re-frame and star series shooting. And the focus will remain on the traced object during the whole series.
Nope, you’ve lost me. Anybody else here understand this?
Do you mean you can’t half-press and reframe, or you can’t track focus? Also confused…
I think what he is saying is that you can’t focus on an object & while keeping the shutter release button half pressed, recompose your shot. At this point, with the shutter release button still half pressed, if the subject starts moving, the camera should recognize your subject & track its movement accross the AF Points as it moves. Apparantly, the camera can’t do this… Wierd
He’s obvious an uncredible troll grasping for straws, or a complete moron.
All I need now is the camera to go with it – I’m getting bored of checking my Sony account for any sign of shipping and my A77 is dead as a dodo 🙁
If you own the A77 it only makes sense to buy the newer model
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1fNJN42jK4 “New king of APS-C” 🙂
Fuji X-T1 versus Sony
None of the Sonys impress me long-term. Sure, the A7 and other NEX have their cute features and amateur admirers, but Sony’s cameras need work. They do stupid things like not opening the lens wider than f/4 in Program mode, the Sony lenses aren’t very good in general, Auto ISO lacks programmability, and a zillion other little things that pros need that keep Sony cameras out of my bag.
By comparison, Fuji’s lenses are spectacular and the Fujis can be set up to work the way an experienced photographer needs them to.
Source: http://www.kenrockwell.com/fuji/x-t1.htm
Do “experienced photographers” use program mode? I’m clearly struggling with my alphabet, rarely nudge the dial past A…
I can’t help you my camera has never moved off M
You guys are noobs, I’m still trying to find where I load the roll of film into my A77.
Ha Ha Ha
Lol!
Tape! That must replace the memory cards where the images were previous saved. LOL
I’m one step ahead of you. I got the film in there, but now the camera wont turn on 🙁
Your on the wrong forum troll. Take your pitiful camera somewhere’s else
Anyone who quotes or references kenrockwell is a complete joke. His website is a crappy Nikon advertisement. Heis reviews are junk, and he’s followers are junk too.
I eat grapes, does that count?
I am the greatest gift the world of photography has ever known. Ever.
Donate: http://www.kenrockwell.com/contact.htm
‘Nuff Said.
Yep. You can buy them here: http://www.prankplace.com/Personalized-Urinal-Cake-Kit-17087-0X.aspx
Can you get one that I can take a big Fuji on.
Seems your the only troll here.
Still waiting for your award winning work.
Come on I am sure it will be more impressive than the awe inspiring photos I see from guest post on fuji rumor site.
Whoah, a real internet expert parroting another internet expert! I must be in Trollhalla!
P.S. Sorry for this off-topic crap but man, I can’t resist all temptations!
RTOFL……..What a winner……..Ken-cock-smell + Fuji = complete idiot
LMAO
“Ken-cock-smell” is probably the biggest joke on the internet.
But my Mommy told me my Fuji make me look cool
Hey, I resemble that remark!
In all seriousness, anyone who would buy a Sony anything should smacked upside the head by their mother. The real camera – the only real camera to buy – is the Nikon D3300. It is by far a better camera. It is like comparing fine caviar to black dog sh*t.
Yes Nikon paid me to say that. Well, not the part about the dog sh*t, I added that myself. I’m not ashamed to say that!
Please donate here: http://www.kenrockwell.com/contact.htm
Ken needs donations cause he blows. No one wants to hire his sorry A$$.
Unbelievable!
This guy should be in a padded room, not idolized by Nikon fanbois all over the world.
Just dont know quite what to say…
Ken, I have a donation for you. Give me your mailing address. I have a large quantity of “Fine Caviar Substitute” to send your way.
Ken-cock-smell is an unqualified junk wannabe photographer
LOL nice!
The A77II is the best APS-C DSLR period.
Its amazing how many trolls are hovering over A77II posts. They’re generally the same group of jealous losers.
Seriously anyone who uses a brags about using a Fuji anything is a complete moron. Its like bragging about driving a Prius.
Isn’t Fuji going out of buisness
I am a Fujifilm Finepix F30, it was awesome. 😉
am? lol “had”
ROTFL……………..
Fuji is complete junk. Only an idiot would by one.
Guilty as charged! I was rather fond of it though and it was better than the Canon and Nikon equivalent, so nothing changes eh? lol
Someone has some insecurity issues posting such hostile comments.
Let’s see your work techie.
Your worse than a troll
Talk smack about the A77II and your going to get smacked.
Now go away!!! turd
Fuji makes some damn fine cameras.
I think you’re on the wrong website though….
He needs to spend some more time with his little Ken
Please enlighten us with your photography, websites, awards, etc that shot with your amazing Sony.
Last time I checked Fuji was doing well financially and Sony today just posted a loss over 1 billion dollars.
Hold that thought, I really gotta go to the bathroom, and take a greasy Fuji.
Oh and Fuji is junk!!!
I hope your just an insecure stupid kid, cause if your older than 18 you got some mommy issues.
I own Fuji, Nikon, Sony, Canon. All are great.
Still waiting for your photos tech boy.
Keep waiting.
Let’s see the garbage you produce first
So how many people have actually ordered one? Apparently I’m #2 in the queue for an A77m2 from shop.sony.co.uk – but no definite date yet – I was told the 13th but that’s been and gone 🙁
You were told 13th of MAY? Amazon is showing something like 15th of June?
Had a look. 10th of June.
When I ordered it said 20th May – I was told on the phone last week they were getting 2 in on the 13th – but then told this week they’re getting 5 on the 28th. I assume Sony get them before Amazon? We all know how much to trust statements from Sony though 😉
I placed my order for one from Adorama about an hour after the announcement was posted here on SAR. I don’t know where I am in the queue. I did not order the DT lens that came with it. DT lenses seem limited to me because they can only be fully used on an APSC camera. I can use all my FF lenses on both FF and APSC formats. The only advantage I can see to DT is weight and longer zoom ranges. That’s not very important to me.
After I downloaded and read the manual I found the following in the manual:
[AF Range Control]: You can restrict the autofocus range to focus on a
subject without interference from objects in the background and
foreground.
The [AF Range Control] function is assigned to the C (Custom) button in
the default settings.
This is very cool! I have this feature built into my 300mm f/2.8 lens. But now I’ll be able to accomplish the same thing with any autofocus lens that I use on this camera.
This is called AF limiter it’s available in the a99.. Very nice addition to the a77M2
Yup, it’s one of the reasons I was waiting for the A77II.
http://store.sony.ca/gsi/webstore/WFS/SNYNA-SNYCA-Site/en_CA/-/CAD/ViewProduct-Start?SKU=31-DSCRX100M3
Question…Does the A77II still image buffer in the viewfinder (for those that know what I am talking about) at all when shooting at 12fps?…Or is it now continuous live view even at high frame rates?..Cheers
If you think about it you are asking the camera to write the image from the sensor to the buffer at 12fps and keep feeding the sensor image to liveview at the same time, that is a lot to ask for!
Its not a dig…Am just asking the question if they had made improvements on that front, as some pre-release rumours suggested…So the answer is no then…?
I didn’t take it as one. I hadn’t considered it myself when I was wondering why it couldn’t be done. It’s only when you think about the processing power and output speed of the sensor writing to the buffer required that it becomes clear. It will happen one day I would have thought.
Hands on at Stuff if people haven’t seen it yet: http://www.stuff.tv/alpha/sony-alpha-77-ii-hands-review/feature
Shaping up to be a great camera!
If the A77II gets such reviews in other gadget magazines they might just sell a few!
It’s weird !
When the a7/a7r were officially annoinced we found reviews from Digitalrev, the camera store, photographyblog ,imaging-resource, dpreview.. And many well known reviewers.
But the a77II is not getting any good review from a famous reviewer.. Maybe I’m just too excited to discover more about the camera :/
I noticed the same thing what the fuck Sony!
They will come. I think people are going to be surprised by the A77II.
To be fair it’s not been released yet. All we’re getting is hand on reviews – I think most of the usual suspects have done hands on features now… Even AP had one iirc. I’m guessing they’re holding off on the full reviews until nearer launch.
Dear a77II
which icon is for Aperture Value + & – . and how i can set Aperture Value Set