The official Sony.net A7m2 presentation site doesn’t say if the Sony sensor stabilization works with third party (non Sony lenses) too. And there is only a footnote for third party adapters used on the A7 with the stabilization system. It says:
When using a third-party mount adapter, performance, functionality and operation are not guaranteed and Sony will take no responsibility if a malfunction occurs.
So it sounds like it actually works for all third party lens and adapter solutions! And here is an interesting image posted on Sonyalphaforum (via DC.watch) which shows how you can manually set the 5 axis stabilization for any focal length!
So is the new A7m2 is the holy grail for all manual lens owners? If that is correct it means for the first time in history owners of lenses like the [shoplink 30855 ebay]Leica M[/shoplink], [shoplink 30856 ebay]Zeiss ZM[/shoplink], [shoplink 30857 ebay]Konica Hexanon[/shoplink], [shoplink 30858 ebay]Olympus OM[/shoplink] series (and so on and so on) will get fully stabilized lens on a Full Frame camera!
Sony also stated that this 5 axis stabilization is not(!) borrowed from another company (aka Olympus OMD) but is fully proprietary (Source: Digitalcamera). And you gain up to 4.5 stops…CIPA certified(!). Sony said they wanted to include this feature on a “budget FE” camera first to make it quickly available for the mass. We can be 100% sure this is coming on the Sony A9 too (to be announced in January). The stabilization system also works for both stills and video mode! There is a first not so “professional” A7m2 5 axis stabilization test video on youtube. And here is the official Sony video which explains how the 5 axis stabilization actually works:
Sony A7m2:
Worldwide only preorder is at Amazon Japan.
Full spec list and videos on SAR.
Full english A7m2 features list on SAR.
Image samples here on Sony.net.
Real life Images of the A7m2 on SAR.
Triple A-mount lens release:
70-300mm II official release not on SAR.
First images of the 24-70mm II and 16-35mm II A-mount lens son SAR.
A-mount A77M2 firmware:
Coming in December with two great new features (here on SAR).
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The questions that I still have are:
– Does it have the same sensor cover that produces reflections with bright light sources like the A7 does esp with wide angle lenses?
– How loud is the shutter? Both the A7 and A7r are loud
– Does IBIS work with legacy glass in both photo and video mode?
– Does/will it have the same shutter shock problem as the omd em1?
But nevertheless kudos to sonby….guys time to put your canikon gear on ebay…..
obne major question is missing imo…
Did they change their raw algorithms as well ..so does the cam have a full lossy raw compression/option as the canikons truly have on board…???
You forgot one thing..
-How loud is the IBIS when it is fully working?
… and will it wobble??? 🙂
will it blend?
LOL
It can move so hard trying to stabilize so may cause a resonance and a serious sensor vibration issue known as “IBIS shock” that leads to a heart attack and diarrhea. I bet Lloyd Chambers is already preparing a letter to Sony with an idea how to mitigate the issue.
Nah, he only whines and his paying subscribers latch on to that and waste more time. Never came up with any practical solutions or suggestions.
Hey steady on fella. I’ll have you know the only reason Ikea wouldn’t hire me as a furniture photographer was because those dopey Danish camera backs aren’t sharp. As you can see from my portfolio, I’m a pretty darn good lawn furniture shooter!
???
Ikea is Swedish and even their CEO flies economy. Why in the world would they bother with Phase?
most of the IKEA photographs are computer renders anyway 😉
Aha! 🙂
As are my photography credentials.
yes i read it works with legacy glass in movie mode. also, if you have one of the stabilized lenses attached, it works with the lens stabilizer system! so both work at the same time!
That camera definitely raises the bar for potential FF mirror less entries.
I have a feeling it’s going to drive up legacy lens prices
The a7 II is looking more and more like it might cover all the major items on my wish list:
– IBIS for every lens assuming that we can set the focal length
– deeper grip and better placed shutter will make it less tiring to carry all day
– better able to handle bigger lenses
As such I’m now happy to start investing heavily with the lenses too, as I’m no longer wondering if I might switch system (in case someone had beaten Sony to FF mirrorless with IBIS)
the A7II is very intruiging and looks like it might handle Amount glass with adapter better then the original since it has the stiffer mount and bigger grip. i will still be holding off to see what the new Amount camera and new A9 look like… although im chomping at the bit to upgrade my A900’s… i just dont want to upgrade when other things are looming on the horizon.
I’m certainly intrigued to see what the a9 might look like too, but when the a99 came out there were similar rumours about a pro version due a few months later and we’re now 2 years on without even any announcement of a new FF a-mount.
So I’m not going to wait indefinitely to see if an a9 does appear; but if you’re saying a900’s plural, then one advantage of any of the a7’s is that it’s very easy to carry two in a bag and so it matters less if something better comes along later – the older model is still useful. I’m already thinking 16-35mm on one, and a 50 or 85mm on another 🙂
The handling bigger lenses side is interesting – the 90mm and 35/1.4 aren’t exactly going to be small and I’d put money on seeing an f2.8 zoom by the end of 2015…
Thanks. I’ve officially listed my a7r for sale on amazon
Why did you buy it instead of the a7?
I will buy an a7R very soon and I don’t want any stabilization. I use a tripod for everything. I need the pixels.
I probably should have bought the a7. I was a loyal Canon guy, since 35 millimeter film to the 5d2…I still occasionlly use my old fd 80-200L on the a7r. I sold the 5D2 and bought the a7r, thinking oh crap 36mp for less than a 5d3.
I used to print a lot of photos for models and weddings. Now models and brides are now using iPads present their portfolio and dont print anything larger than 13×19.
I love the a7r the resolution, but I do not like the autofocus. It has failed me a couple of times. For portraits it’s fine before, but for church weddings where no flash is allowed, it’s a struggle. In addition, I’m doing more video work now and also own the a7s. 12 megapixels is more than enough for online viewing and iPad as long as I dont crop a lot.
Since the a7ii also has slog-2 and PP. The a7s may end up on the market as well… it seems to be a great all around camera for my needs.
Im on vimeo btw: Robert “snapmyface” 🙂
thanks reading my life story.
Still Mickey Mouse-ish interface… In small Pentax Q such menu looks more serious.
just imagine all those beautifull pictures you can take with that serious looking menu. and the people, if they see you using that serious menu like the pro you are, they will be so impressed. as for your jealous fellow photographers…we will envy you for the serious look of that menu!
So you could even have an a-mount to e-mount inexpensive adaptor, without a PDAF module, if you wanted?
One thing I wonder is if the stabilization might cost some overheating…NOT because of use during video, but because if the sensor is somehow gymballed to move that well, does that add thermal resistance to the heat path?
Since this camera would definitely mean no loss of use of my a-mount lenses, at this point I would almost no longer mind no more true a-mount ‘bodies’ assuming the AF is fast enough and the ergonomics is good enough. So if the “A9” is bigger in size, more DSLR-like in ergonomics, bigger battery….dual card….but still just uses the e-mount, I’d be fine with that.
For underwater, get a couple e-mount lenses and use the body as is, for above water, go ahead and keep using my a-mount lenses.
> if you wanted?
if Sony wanted 🙂 And they don’t way to 😀
I was quite surprised at the price of the adopters, considering the LA-EA3 should really be bundled…
I’d imagine that IBIS crops the image for it to work. That’s the only conclusion I can come up with for them having this technology fit in the smallish mount.
wrong, the entire sensor shifts.
(i think that was -part of- his point)
he means some parts of the sensor will be shifted into darkness and therefore necessiating crop
You might, or might not be right in that there’s a mild crop in IBIS mode on FF. However, even that might not be necessary. The sensor won’t move into total darkness at the cornet as there are no truly telecentric lenses out there (the mound will not mask the entire exit pupil at the corner). What will happen is that the extremities might be a little darker, which would manifest as vignetting. Even then, this effect will be much reduced, or even disappear at more modest apertures as most of the light will then spread out from a more constrained exit pupil. I doubt it would be extreme, and could largely be corrected in PP.
Of course, if it was really bad, you could always crop in FF. Perhaps 5% reduction or so.
However, until somebody does some tests, we simply won’t know if there is a real issue or not.
Bye bye to my Canon 6d.
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Nothing to say about the new mount?
The new exterior coating looks to be a nice upgrade. The cheap plastic-y stuff that easily shows fingerprints on the current A7 cameras is horrible.
It’s not plasticy at all; it is, however, unsightly. It’s amazing that things un-liked are called plastic willy-nilly.
Bad paint is bad paint. It isn’t plastic. There is plastic on the back, but that is because it is plastic, not because it is bad paint.
Bingo! Excellent news for us legacy glass nerds!
I really like what Sony did to the pocket camera and now I see Sony doing the same here with full frame mirrorless kudos to Sony for pushing innovation and not charging an arm and a leg for it. Now I’m waiting anxiously for the pro A series body.
All third part lenses. Hmm. But i dont think it work with this lens
https://www.olympus.com.au/Products/CompactSystem-Cameras/PEN-Lenses/M-Zuiko-Digital-40-150-f-2-8-PRO.aspx
If you want this lens, your on the wrong site.
Not with a adapter for A 7mk II. Why cant we use this lens with a A7 mk II
Why would you want too? If your going to blow about 1400 for that lens, then match it with a body optimized for it. The bokeh is busy, the speed is fine but 2.8 on a M43 is pretty sub par DOF IMO for portraits. Is it sharp? Yep. Different horses for different courses I guess.
Yes, unfortunately, it will only work with those:
http://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2013/10/15/11216064/132H_Oct_E-mountLens_A-mountLens_All_onp_WH.JPG
You could use it but you would have to make an adapter with glass in it.
Actually you don’t. There are a few adapters available as m43 mount is a little smaller and has a longer register.
However you completely lose aperture control since it’s electronic on both ends and mutually incompatible. The adapters are aimed at the interesting selection of fast m43 native mount lenses that are manual focus/manual aperture (like the Voigtlander f0.95 primes)
Coverage is also an issue. these lenses will almost cover APS-C, but not FF.
Thanks. Sorry, I thought they were a similar distance to the sensor like Fuji. Can’t write the f word as moderation blocks it.
hmmmm… actually m43 optics is calculated for thick cover glass (about 4 mm) whereas in sony cameras it’s thin, so good adapter does, indeed, need to have flat glass in it.
Actually, the Sony cover glass is quite thick as well, if not quite as thick as the m43 cameras (it’s just under 2mm)
That simply affects the thickness of an adapter, not a requirement for any glass (which would be in the wrong place and create an additional air/glass interface that would create more issues than simply ignoring the difference in cover glass thickness)
Actually you know there is aMFT to E-mount adpater? So yes you can use it 🙂
Though why you’d want to is another question…
It’s very likely that it covers an APS-C sensor, and even if it vignettes a little, that’s easily corrected. (The Sigma E-mount lenses are clearly the same optical design as their MFT ones).
Of course it’s unlikely anybody would buy such a lens for this purpose, but if an existing owner wanted to consolidate onto e-mount, then they might still want to utilise some of their MFT lenses, even if (on FF) it involves working in crop mode.
Not a big market I’d agree, but presumably the adapter manufacturer thinks it exists.
Why would you get a giant lens that projects a thumbnail-sized rectangle onto a FF sensor?
If they plan on updating the A7s with this tech, the low light capability will be even more insane.
Looks like the legacy lens prices are going to jump again.
Not so sure about that, but the price of used a-mount lenses is likely to improve…
I am just freaking excited. Now I won’t ever have to worry about using my a-mount lenses on an e-mount system. I know what camera I’m buying next.
A9s with IBIS and internal 4k.
This is crazyness!
I’m curious to see if (when) Sony will finally implements a choice of minimum shutter speed in aperture priority + auto iso into the A7 line. As a wedding photographer (sometimes), it’s the way I work, on my mind it’s the most flexible, and i’m not sure to buy one day a camera unable to operate like that…
As an event and occasional wedding photographer I find minimum shutter speeds for Auto ISO to be absolutely useless compared to a proper TAv mode like the Sony’s have. Changing minimum shutter speed is slow and clunky. If I change lenses from a 70-200mm to a 16-35mm I don’t want to dive through sometimes dozens of menus to set my ‘minimum shutter speed’. On my A7S I just dial in the shutter speed I want for the lens I am using.
No, I can easily record some minimum shutter speed and reload them very quickly on my camera. It may be not as fast as touch a dial but the advantage is when the light become strong the shutter speed increases automatically. I have absolutely no risk of bad exposure, less risk than with TAv…
so the a7ii comes out to be $1,563 US dollars when converting from 184,560 yen…not bad
Damn expensive here in Japan. I wish I lived and earned abroad.
looks like an amazing camera, when is sony (zeiss/somebody) coming out with some fast auto focus primes?
March.
Am Abend hat auch Sony Schweiz/Österreich eine Presseinfo verschickt. Danach wird die Kamera ab Januar 2015 in der Schweiz erhältlich sein.
Sony a7 II Gehäuse (ILCE-7M2): CHF 2’249.-
Sony a7 II Kit mit Objektiv SEL-2870 (ILCE-7M2K): CHF 2’599.-
This is a fantastic camera, and I can’t wait to get my hands on it. I was originally planning to purchase the A77II, but this camera has put those plans on hold indefinitely.
I’m selling my A77 and 16-50mm f/2.8 in order to purchase this camera.
I agree. I was going to do the same exact thing. I’ll be selling my Olympus gear since I just got the A7. If the A9 is like this A7II with improved A6000 focusing…game over man, freaking game over. Canikon should just put a “closed” sign on their doors early for next year.
I am quite interested to see if/how Canikon respond to this (even Fuji maybe will). I think Canon will potentially offer something first with Nikon following within the year. They need to do something though, and sooner rather than later
I think they are in serious trouble. Even the stanchest A-Mount users, agree that this is a must-buy camera.
Nikon, and Canon users are already adopting the FE in droves. This cameras will only excelerate FE adoption.
I completely agree. I think their best move would be to create a common FF mirror-less mount so they can populate lenses quickly. 2015 is going to be an interesting year – especially with the Sony A9.
Perhaps they should use E mount 😀
Their biggest problems as I see it are not having an answer to FE, pros being very focal about the benefits of switching and Sony having a huge head start. Whatever your views on e-mount, Sony’s done a tremendous job of taking the fight to Canon and Nikon. The lens lineup may not be up to scratch yet, but adding IBIS makes a-mount lenses a viable option and they’ve got some real gems in the native lineup now (you’re not going to beat the baby Otus for the price and the 16-35 seems to be defying expectations).
No one has an answer to the FE. By the time they do Sony will absolutely own the professional mirror-less segment.
For Canon, and Nikon users they’re amazed by all of the technology the A7 Series offers. Its almost like a Ford Pinto Driver getting their hands on a fully loaded Lexus.
A good example is to look at the premium pocket camera segment, Sony is up to RX100 Mark 3 and only now Canon comes out with something to compete with it but too bad it’s only comparable to Sony’s mark 2. Sony is definitely building a lead in this segment and only time will tell if this segment is the future. My money is on mirrorless especially full frame mirrorless at prices comparable to dslr APS-C. I’m really enjoying the waves Sony is making in the industry and can’t wait to see what the Big two has to offer.
I’m buying the A99II in order to replace my ageing A900. I’m only bought into the A-Mount to use the 24-70mm, 16-35mm, 70-200mm zooms, and 35mm, 85mm primes. I did buy a couple of additional lenses over the years (50mm Macro, 70-300mm, and 70-400mm) but the top five are the lenses I use daily.
Owning a A77II just doesn’t make sense if a 36mp 12fps A99II is only around the corner. I dumped most of my DT (APS-C optimized) lenses on eBay years ago. The 16-50 is my last.
I want something new with a couple of exciting lenses. The A7II, 55 mm f/1.8 (cause its tack sharp like the 135mm), and the 28mm f/2 (cause I owned the minolta years ago and it rocked) seem to fit the bill.
Kind of wish I hadn’t just sold mine to buy an a7! The biggest problem I had with my a77 in the end was weight and no affordable way to step up to full frame. If they hadn’t just announced a bunch of a-mount lenses I’d have assumed it was game over for a-mount but who knows now? The good news is my beercan will get a new lease of life next time I upgrade!
The A-Mount is actually benefiting from this chaos, which is why Sony’s remains committed. It has a larger market share than the K-Mount, but I doubt we’ll see any APS-C versions in the years to come. They’re focused strictly only on FF A-Mount lenses.
The A77III will likely be a FF SLT.
Love how Sony keeps pumping out new bodies! Full frame 5-axle IBIS? Wow. That’s a world’s first. Amazing stuff. Can’t believe that Sony just managed to make the A7ii more desirable than the A7s which was more desirable than the A7r which was more desirable than the A7. Keep them coming Sony!!! I rather have it this way than the huge disappointment I had when I finally saw what Canon offered after 7 years (!) before they upgraded the 7D. Viva Sony!
Absolutely fantastic Sony!!! How can anyone resist this camera? A mountaineers or whatever? OK if you think it’s to expensive or wait for A9, but else … impossible.
Nice! This is great!
I’m looking forward for a 400g 36mp A5r without viewfinder but Ibis!
So, no new RX1? 🙁
I won’t buy this because I think the A9 is around the corner. I also think it may be a dream camera. You know, the kind that keeps you up at night and makes you shiiit your pants. Alright, maybe not that last part, but you get the idea. A9, freaking can’t wait. It has got to be sick sick sick sick.
Price of manual lenses will going to increase.. so get some legacy lenses while you can afford them! (Maybe you can sell them later and make some money…)
My big question is with the Zeiss Loxia lenses. Although fully manual in function, these lenses can communicate electronically with the camera. So that should mean you wouldn’t have to set the focal length to the IBIS because the camera body should know already. Can anyone confirm this?
Loxia falls in the category of non oss e mount lenses.
Correct!
Technically, stabilizing zooms could be solved because software could easily detect a zoom action, and shouldn’t require too much processing power, so the wide and telephoto end could be entered and then let the body guess, it should have enough accuracy…
Now, even people with heavy parkinson can enjoy photography!
IBIS is very sexy I guess, but the A7ii can’t be the holy grail for legacy glass till Sony deals with the sensor cover issue (it’s way too thick), which unfortunately seems unlikely. For many of us who use a variety of MF lenses, including the incredible choices in M mount, the smearing issue trumps all the new fancy shaky stuff. Till that is handled in some way the A7 is simply a backup camera for me, unless I need macro or 400mm.
Agree with this.
I guess this IS the rumored hybrid