Samsung released a new PDF document (download here) describing some of their future goals. On page 17 you can read about the launch of a new ASP-C sensor for their mirrorless system. There is no word on specs yet. P.S.: Notice the absence of any Full Frame sensor hint (found via Photorumors).
And Samyang announced that all their lenses will be available in X-mount (found via Fujirumors).
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Please, Samsung, put it in the next nx30 and let it be a 30mp sensor with higher dr and better high iso performance compared to nikon 7100 and pentax k3.
Perhaps 30mp is too high for an APSC sensor. If so, I think the high iso performance can only be worse, not better.
Why would it be worse? Look at the high megapixel count of some of the other apsc sensors and nikons high mp d800 sensor that ppl seem to be in love with, why would it be detrimental to Samsung when it wasn’t for Nikon? I bet if anyone but Samsung ere to intorduce a 40 mp sensor you would wet your pants in joy.
Totally agree. I would like to see less pixels and more dynamic range and overall pixel quality. Really, 12 MP is more than enough for most uses.
I like the 20mp in NX300, it gives you great details. But also I hope they will go in way of increasing DR and ISO performance with no higher mp count.
Considering my D800E is the highest resolution FF sensor and has the best DR, I really don’t think resolution is hindering DR.
I never thought I would need 36mp either, but wouldn’t give them up now.
I agree…
…that 30 MP would probably be too much…
…but if the new architecture of the Isocell sensors works as stated,
30 MP would be a number to think about…
…and maybe THE number to go for.
Nikon 7100 has a 24mp sensor and has higher dr and better high iso than samsung’s sensor. The 36mp ff sensor of nikon d800 has the same pixel pitch of the 24mp one with great performance.
Present m4/3 sensors at 16mp have a pixel pitch lower than samsung’s 20mp and have very good dr and high iso, for their size. Besides there is a persistent rumor of m4/3 going up to 20/24mp soon.
My conclusion: it’s not just the mp, but above all the technology, that make for a great dr and high iso performance.
Yes,
30 MP for the NX 30 sounds good,
if a isocell sensor is being used.
…40 MP for the NX 40… 😉
…etc…
I hope they do it so diffraction starts sooner than f/11 like in other camera brands APS-C high res sensors!!!! 😀
Wait a minute…
As long as they use a color pattern sensor unlike a Foveon type sensor,
diffraction is not that harmfull, especially if there is no AA filter…
…and the AA filter of my 20 MP NX 1000 is already very weak,
so I would guess, that a 30 MP NX 30 could be delivered without any AA filter.
As long as the airy disk is not larger than a 2×2 pixel bayer pattern array, the resolution is not completely wasted.
If You halfen the pixel count in post processing, You get nearly pixel sharp pictures with very few artefacts (20 downsized to 10 MP example):
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/4164548502/photos/2368724/
…and if You downsize to 1/4 of the former pixel count, You can achieve very clean,
pixel sharp output.
In regard of 4K TV one should consider a vertical pixelcount of at least twice the Ultra HD pixel count, resulting in 4320 pixel vertical and a 28 MP sensor, at a camera sensor H to V ratio of 1.5.
If one considers twice the horizontal 4K TV pixel count,
one would get 7680 pixel resulting in a 39 MP sensor (at 1.5 ratio).
(Maybe something to consider for a 40 MP sensor in a NX 40?) 😉
So, I would opt for at least a 28 MP sensor with isocell.
However, for marketing purposes a 30 MP isocell sensor maybe the better choice.
do something
😉 Samsung new sensor will get very good reviews.
Here is why
http://www.androidforpc.org/samsung-in-trouble-again-for-paying-for-publicity.html
Samsung, when are you going to introduce the lenses that you promised?
Camera without the lenses is useless.
Samsung camera has no fast wide angle lens (current wide angle zoom falls apart, please see below link)
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3549178
Samsung has no fast longer telephoto, no decent standard lens.
Samsung did not put ED glass into 30 mm pancake but small diameter of glass there would cost only penny and it would make lens much better.
20 mm should be 2.0 and should also have ED glass. 45 mm pose for good lens (metal barrel) but has no ED glass and you can see the chromatic aberration in out of focus area and it is bad on edges. Macro is too big and not that good as other brand macro lenses. So Samsung what are you going to offer this time? Camera with built in phone and built in washing machine?
Hey, how come I don’t get pay by Sony or Samsung. I have both and has posted positive comments.
Have you even tried Samsung lens? They are pretty darn goods, esp considering their price and size. It is currently the only brand that has a good line up of good quality pancake lens at reasonable price.
I wonder if Dxomark is on their payroll. The Samsung NX 30/f2 is sharper and better in all parameters than the Zeiss Touit 32/f1.8 (except the f2 vs f1.8 difference)
http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare-Camera-Lenses/Compare-lenses/(lens1)/1159/(brand)/Zeiss/(camera1)/0/(lens2)/459/(brand2)/Samsung/(camera2)/0
…and if the Zeiss would have been tested in conjunction with a 20 MP sensor, like the Samsung was, it would have reached even a lower score, than it did with the 24 MP Nex7.
And the Panasonic Leica Summilux DG 25 mm F 1.4 looks really worse…
…not only because it was tested on a 16 MP sensor instead of a 20 MP:
http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare-Camera-Lenses/Compare-lenses/(lens1)/1159/(lens2)/459/(lens3)/450/(brand1)/Zeiss/(camera1)/0/(brand2)/Samsung/(camera2)/0/(brand3)/Panasonic/(camera3)/842
What advice should someone with common sense give Zeiss and Leica – not only according pricing?
And look also to the canon 28/1.8 and to the nikkor 28/1.8 (tested say on d5200). Both are behind the tiny samsung 30/2.
http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare-Camera-Lenses/Compare-lenses/(lens1)/459/(brand)/Samsung/(camera1)/0/(lens2)/796/(brand2)/Canon/(camera2)/0/(lens3)/952/(brand3)/Nikkor/(camera3)/850
To be fair, You should compare with the Canon lens measured in conjunction with the 70D and not with the 1DsMKIII,
because of the pixelcount (pixeldensity is in this case important) and then You get a poor 10 MP equivalent sharpness, just like the nikon lens and noticable behind the 14 MP equivalent of the Samsung lens… 😉
http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare-Camera-Lenses/Compare-lenses/(lens1)/459/(lens2)/796/(lens3)/796/(brand1)/Samsung/(camera1)/0/(brand2)/Canon/(camera2)/895/(brand3)/Canon/(camera3)/272
…in conjunction with the 50D You get only a 7 MP equivalent!
This is another nice comparison
http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare-Camera-Lenses/Compare-lenses/(lens1)/241/(brand)/Canon/(camera1)/895/(lens2)/270/(brand2)/Canon/(camera2)/895/(lens3)/422/(brand3)/Samsung/(camera3)/0
Just the very expensive (and faster) canon 85/1.2 equals the sammy nx 85/1.4
“equals” is in favour of the very expensive Canon lens on the 70D, 😉
where the combination gets a mediocre 12 MP equivalent according sharpness…
…on the 50D the 85 F1.2 lens gets a poor 8 MP equivalent…
…whereas the Samsung 85 mm lens on the NX 20 gets a 14 MP equivalent: 🙂
http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare-Camera-Lenses/Compare-lenses/(lens1)/270/(brand)/Canon/(camera1)/895/(lens2)/270/(brand2)/Canon/(camera2)/272/(lens3)/422/(brand3)/Samsung/(camera3)/0
Wow, that is really fun to reveal the truth, isn’t it? 😀
Since my comment is since about one day awaiting moderation… :-O
…You can meanwhile probably also explain, why the Fujinon XF 18 is worse than the Samsung 20 mm at F2.8:
http://www.photozone.de/fuji_x/745-fuji18f2?start=1
http://www.photozone.de/samsungnx/694_samsungnx20f28?start=1
Should Fuji use (more) ED glas, to get a tad closer to the performance of the Samsung lens?
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According resolution, the Samsung is in the same ball park like the Zeiss Otus 55 mm:
http://www.lenstip.com/390.4-Lens_review-Carl_Zeiss_Otus_55_mm_f_1.4_ZE_ZF.2_Image_resolution.html
http://www.lenstip.com/373.4-Lens_review-Samsung_NX_45_mm_f_1.8_2D_3D_Image_resolution.html
…should Zeiss ask Samsung, why their lens costs less than a tenth?
Who should enable people with common sense, to get decent quality, without paying 3500.- € for the Otus, if not Samsung (45 mm @ F1.8):
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/4164548502/photos/2552935/samsung_45mm-3d-f1-8-full-width-15-mp-equiv-_acdseepro6-adobergb
…any good idea???
I agree, nx lenses are very good. It’s the bodies that need to be improved, now.
😉 today Dpreview.com added samsung nx300 to the comparison scenes.
Go and see what lens they used. They used Pentax.
Do you know why? Because 30 mm pancake is SOFT in the corner and not that good in the centre.
It’s very funny how far the obsession of some samsung NX users go 😉
Some of them try to fool themselves that samsung pancake is better than standard Zeiss 😉 😉 😉 They never took one single pic with Zeiss lens but they try to express opinions about zeiss optics 😉
Even jehova witnesses are not that much obsessed 😉
…what if they used the Pentax lens because they can use that lense also on other cameras…
…for a better comparability – or to worsen the NX300 outcome? 😉
You should have asked, why they didn’t use the 45 mm Samsung…
…maybe because the 30 mm would have been to wide? 😉
…beside that every test site I know and the test sites I already gave the link to,
don’t share Your opinion according the 30 mm Samsung.
DXO as example:
http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare/Side-by-side/smc-D-FA-50mm-f-2.8-Macro-on-Pentax-K5-versus-smc-D-FA-50mm-f-2.8-Macro-on-Pentax-K20D-versus-Samsung-NX-30mm-F2-Pancake-on-Samsung-NX-20___189_676_189_213_459_0
Strange, the Samsung 30 mm is by far better than the Pentax 50 mm macro… 😛
…the Samsung lens has a sharpness equiv of 14 MP, the Pentax lens has only a poor 8 MP equiv.
Conclusion:
Samsung would have been far better in the dpreview comparison scene,
if they would have used the 30 mm Samsung pancake instead of the 50 mm Pentax macro! 🙂
So, the NX300 is even better than shown in the dpreview comparison scene,
if used in conjunction with Samsung lenses!
What a surprise – isn’t it? 😀
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I am surprised that “common sense” has obviously nothing to do with truth… 😉
Accordingg to dxo, both the 30 and the 45mm nx lenses are better than the pentax (apart for ca, which are easily corrected on any pp software). Also the 60mm macro nx lens is better than the pentax, even if by a smaller margin.
Since my comment is since about one day awaiting moderation…
…You can meanwhile probably also explain, why the Fujinon XF 18 is worse than the Samsung 20 mm at F2.8:
http://www.photozone.de/fuji_x/745-fuji18f2?start=1
http://www.photozone.de/samsungnx/694_samsungnx20f28?start=1
Should Fuji use (more) ED glas, to get a tad closer to the performance of the Samsung lens? 😉
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According resolution, the Samsung is in the same ball park like the Zeiss Otus 55 mm:
http://www.lenstip.com/390.4-Lens_review-Carl_Zeiss_Otus_55_mm_f_1.4_ZE_ZF.2_Image_resolution.html
http://www.lenstip.com/373.4-Lens_review-Samsung_NX_45_mm_f_1.8_2D_3D_Image_resolution.html
…should Zeiss ask Samsung, why their lens costs less than a tenth? 😉
Who should enable people with common sense, to get decent quality, without paying 3500.- € for the Otus, if not Samsung (45 mm @ F1.8):
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/4164548502/photos/2552935/samsung_45mm-3d-f1-8-full-width-15-mp-equiv-_acdseepro6-adobergb
…any good idea???
I seriously think a lot of people out there still believe going “BIG” is the way to show they are pro. Buying ridiculously bulky, expensive, only manual Zeiss lenses is nonsense.
Yes,
You are probably right,
but maybe this ghost is still alive in the marketing departments of some manufacturers…
…and in some departments of image agencies.
Fortunately, Zombies are not that attractive to the educated masses…
…whatever this means… 😉
Common sense: please go on dpreview samsung forum and please ask the moderator Taffy if he got a free Galaxy nx. I was banned by him when I dared to ask that question, to which he never replied.
Yeah..a new sensor! Super. Fantastic! Some over here are comparing with Nikon D7100 and the diminuitive 43s with their smaller sensors.telltale. Samsung does not need a better sensor (but it won’t hurt either of course). They need a new take on camera’s. What makes the D7100s, m43s like the GX7 or EM1 (and Gh3)such good camera’s is not the sensors. In the sense that the Samsung sensors are already very close to these. Not lakcing at all. It is the camera itself hat lacks. I think NX300 has a buffer of 4-5 shots in RAw before it is full?? Compare that to Canon, Nikon DSLR or Oly’s EM1. They do more than 10 times better here I think! I’ll spare you the long list of differences in favour of nikon, canon, panasonic, olympus and even Sony.
Samsung needs to get a couple of well seasoned photogs to tell them what to do and all will be fine.
I agree with you on the fact that, even before implementing a better sensor, samsung needs to fill a lot of gaps, like the ridicolous buffer in nx300 or the old tech evf it used in nx20 and galaxy nx.
But I’m assuming that those are obvious improvements that HAVE to be achieved by Samsung, in order to stay on the market. Omd can do 40+ raw files in continuous shooting. Nx300 can do 5!!!! All the modern evf are 1024 or 1280. Samsung’s is 800!!! They have – at least – to come close in those compartments to stay alive.
Nevertheless, finally having a top ranked sensor in dxo mark (instead of a decent runner up) would help samsung to gain attention and traction.
You are right. They need some new lenses and a more photographer friendly camera. My golden dream: A zoom lens 14-42 mm f/4 (21-63 equivalent)!!!
It is fact that NX300 has a small buffer but it’s its only real weakness. I was quite upset at first but in real I almost never use continuous shooting. I always shoot in RAW and I’m ok with the buffer.
I don’t want to say I wouldn’t like it almost twice as big, but for most of uses it’s ok. Except of that, NX300 is almost perfect camera. And is perfect for my uses. I just hope Samsung will contiune introducing new quality lenses and great bodies.
If you want to see photos taken with my NX300 and NX200, look into my gallery at my blog: http://www.nxcamera.com/
For me tiny buffer has always been a big issue. I’d like at least 15-20 raw files in a raw in continuous shooting, and considering that samsung itself manufactures memories, that couldn’t be so difficult for them to achieve what all the other cameras at this level can do.
I agree. I cannot understand why they used so small buffer too. Even NX200 had bigger buffer. But in most cases I don’t recognize it. Generally I’m very happy with NX300, it’s a really good camera.
It is quite good indeed. But this morning I tried a pentax k3. And understood that’s what I’d want from nx30.
Blazing fast in operations, huge buffer, gorgeous iq, wonderful ibis acting also as aa filter simulator.
I’d buy it immediately, if I were in the market for a big dslr. Of course being now used to the tiny nx300, this camera seems huge to me, but it s really a step forward compared to any nx camera.
Why samsung does not do a similar camera, just with an evf instead of the ovf? What’s so difficult about this?
tecnoworld – If I was to buy DSLR, I would also probably go to K-3 (if APS-C). And I have the same question why Samsung can’t do something like that. In my opinion they are very close to create perfect camera and perfect mirrorless system, but they don’t want or what. I hope they will get it right soon.
K-3 is really an awesome camera. For me it’s too big and heavy though. It’d be really awesome if Pentax brought a mirrorless of the same quality.
Also, they know processing magic that makes their files come close to FF in terms of SNR. Weird considering they are using Sony sensors.
I truely wonder what the Unique Selling Point of Samsung might be? NX300 btw also soarly lacks an EVF if I am correct. That is really so telltale: Samsung has got no clue what enthusiast photographers want.
But what is the USP? I can summ them up from all their competitors, but I have difficulty finding them from Samsung.
Nikon/Canon mirrorless: the strong selling point is the history of their DSLrs. It si so good they will still sell these not stellar cams anyways.
Fuji: retro styling, very good lenses, good handling. Xtrans seems to be good or at least appreciated. users of thes cams much like them and rarely seem to complain. AF was bad though.
USP: high class IQ, good build quality in good retrostyled body.
Oly m43s: like Fuji cams like EM1, OMD especially seem to be geared towards photogs. Smaller sensor is on par with APS-c sensor, but this system is quite a bit smmaller. Lots of lenses, lots of controls. Very good EVFs. IBIS that works very well. EM1 now also answers the needs of the 43-community I think. PDAF that actually delivers. CDAF that is lighting fast. Video is the only letdown. Lots of very good lenses. Weathersealing on some cams.
USP: good IQ, excellent functionality in a distinctive camerabody. Complete lens line-up.
Panasonic: like SOny, this is more an electronics company and it shows when you look at these cams. Clinical and not much spirit, not somehting unique. Still: same good IQ but fantasrtic video IQ on some of those cams. GX7 seems like a gem and also like they actually listened to their users. Dpreview likes the very small GM1 a lot. Lots of lenses, lots of different bodies. Also one with weathersealing.
USP: good IQ, great video, fantastic body-differentiation. LEica lenses possible. IBIS added to that.
Sony: small bodies, NEX7 was innovative, now mirrorless FF. Sony has the best sensors out there.
USP: innovative camera’s with very good sensors. Lenses are not so good I think.
Samsung: ? Low price for what you get. But they do not do a thing better than any of the competitors above. They seem to be inconsistent, they seem to lag and therefor lack features. A good sensor is not the problem like I said. A clear vision with a clear goal that atracts a substantial group of users is not there.
Very good primes (as shown above) at a decent price. Good bodies, but lacking important features. They need to fix this.
Their USP should become: the best aps-c camera (not just mirrorless) at the best price, with great primes.
That way, they’ll attract attention, otherwise they won’t. Too many haters, too many prejudices. And samsung does too little to defeat those.
Good primes or very good ones at reasonable prices is subjective. I think there are some m43 lenses tat could qualify. 14,20 and 45 mm are not too expensive I guess. Sigma 19-30 and 60 mm seem to be very good for m43s and nex too. So how is that an USP.
Besides: the bodies of the Samsung are not very cheap.
You seem to think. like Samsung, that technological advance is the way to go. Of course it is important but their sensor is already on par with the best m43s and APS-c. The differences between these, in reallife aswell as DXO are minute. So to my mind, that is not it. It is the lack of implemantation of features that are geared towards photography and that are readily available to them. No reason why there is no EVF for the NX300 unless they fear cannibalising the NX20 (if so, they have some other companies to fear whole lot more). RAW buffer which is so small. Not necessary.
Look at Sony (NEX7, A7R). EM1, OMD, GX7, GH3, FUji X-series. All are special and bring a lot for photogs and in the case of Pana also for videogr.
Samsung lacks insight. the prejudice against I think is justified by their own actions.
Junilee, wait, I totally agree with you. Samsung’s body are really lacking by a large margin compared to competitors. The nx300 has the smallest buffer for raw, compared to competotors and so does the awful galaxy nx, that costs like a sony a7 and has no physical controls at all. Even the omd-em1, which is not marketed as a smart camera, beats ttphe galaxy nx in smart functions:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3558990
(Read that post before it gets cancelled by the dictator of samsung’s forum)
So yes, samsung has a long, long way to go. For now, it has just some very good lenses and some decent bodies lacking of important features.
Your message is up there for a month it seems. Who would want to take it away 9dictator?) and why? I did not know OMD EM1 had that kind of functionality and it is very nice if not very usefull for some kind of shooting. The cam already seems so good. I believe cameralabs said it was the best cam period they tested this year. So it must be very good I guess. But it seems expensive too. It costs 1500 dollars so that is twice or trice the cost of an NX300 body. I think that is not a fair comparison. Now GX7 is another thing….that is what the NX300 should have been and could have been…
Jubilee: that was referred to the message you find at the end of this thread.
Yes, the gx7 is where the nx300 should have been, but the omd-em1 is where the nx30 should be. Or the galaxy nx, considering that it costs MORE than omd and has no physical controls, a tiny buffer, a very aged evf (low res and sequential), no weather sealing, no ibis and….less smart features 🙂
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This kind of things cannot be written anymore on dor samsung forum, otherwise you get banned by taffy, who is the new paladin of galaxy nx and does not reply to the question: ‘did you get one for free?’ 🙂
Not strictly related with this discussion, but it’s important for ppl to know.
I have just been banned from dpreview forum by the moderator Taffy. He did this with the false motivation of abuse. You can go there and read my posts, there was no abuse at all.
The real reason is the following: he didn’t want me to exoress my ideas about the galaxy nx camera. I asked him if he bought his, or he got one for free, he never replied to this.
It’s more than evident how things went. So on samsung forum in dpreview, you are ONLY allowed to talk good about the products. Very sad, isn’t it? You don’t have freedom of word.
Please report this on dpreview, if you can.
Hi tecnoworld,
I have seen no evidence yet, that You are banned from dpreview forum?
How can I confirm this?
Your posts are visible, Your profile is visible and no mention of restrictions?
However,
if I recall correctly, the majority of Your posts was not suited to help anyone – neither You, nor Samsung, nor someone else.
They were full of negativity, moaning about everything, so that one would think,
that You don’t really own, or use Samsung cameras but are on a mission against Samsung.
This was maybe not the case, or not Your intend, but I think that many of the forum members feel similar in this regard.
Just try to cool down, enjoy the quality of the lenses You have and wait patiently for a christmas surprise from Samsung. 🙂
Hey, a hobby should also make fun, shouldn’t it? 😉
http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/4164548502/photos/2523751/an-iron-butterfly-in-a-gadda-da-vida-or-life-in-the-desert-with-rust
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P.S.:
Don’t get me wrong,
I also would like to have some improvements, here and there,
but I do not need them now to enjoy photography with my NX1000…
…I did choose the NX1000, knowing that it is not perfect and hoping for good lenses to come…
…after all, the NX1000 was better than I expected when I bought it – so are the lenses…
…and I don’t know, how I could substitute the 12-24 mm Samsung zoom, or the 45 mm F1.8 prime, with another brand.
There is only the Zeiss Otus for 3500.- €, which could replace the Samsung prime…
…and that would be nonsense – at least for me.
Dear usee, I thi k I posted more pics from nx300 than anyone else on dpreview. So no, you don’t recall correctly. Check my galleries if they are still visible there and have a look at exif data.
Actually, if you care to look a bit deeply, you’ll find that most of my posts were quite enthusiastic about nx300. Apart from the tiny buffer and the absence of evf, I’m fine with it.
It’s the galaxy nx which is a huge error and I have no fear in saying that. Unfortunately, there is not freedom of speech, over there.
So please, before judging, explore better, thanks.
P.s. you posted that pic of the bfly hundreds of times, you have to be really proud of it. I have posted a lot of DIFFERENT pictures, not always the same two or three.
…sorry I just wanted to brighten Your life a bit…
and my gallery is mainly for technical demonstrations and not really for showing nice pics, so there are very few of them and I apologize, if I may hinted to the butterfly more than once in the Samsung forum…
…maybe You can show me, where I showed it before in Samsung forum…
…You know, I seem to have problems to remember certain things… 😉
But the most people seem to be very satisfied with their NX300:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3576932
…isn’t it? 🙂
Yes, and I also posted in that thread with positive comment about it, hinting at a couple of defects, since I tend to be very objective and not overpositive.
Feel free to look at my galleries in dpr and please comment my pics (even in case you don’t like them).
P.s. I also helped a lot of ppl with technicals problems, over there, since when I use a tool, I end by knowing it deeply. The last case was the man having forgotten to turn off the auto minimn shutter option, if you check.
So yes, the moderator was abusing of his power and I alreasdy contested with dpreview. I hope they will check the matter and send him away, since he was NEVER useful on the forum to help ppl. And, again, he never replied if he got the galaxy nx for free, thus creating a big doubt.
…well,
I checked all my posts in the Samsung forum since I made the picture…
…and I showed it exactly 4 (four) times in the Samsung forum:
1. http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51453570
2. http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51457133
3. http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52322587
4. http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52504061
…and more than 500 people were interested in this shot –
so, was it a fault to show it?
How often did I show this shot here, which I uploaded just for fun in my technic gallery?
Come on, enjoy what You have and don’t look what others have and You want to have.
Sometimes I feel like a Butterfly in the desert…
…that is probably why I chose to upload this image…
…and according to the resonance – I’m not alone in this regard. 😉
Exactly the same thing happened to me with this Taffy person. He acused me of simply bshing Samsung without offering anything else than opinion. The fact is that I substantiated claims that the Samsung NX300 was better than the EPL5 sensor. I posted 4 graphs of DxO that simply show they are on par. But no: that was brand bashing it seemed. I got a ban for 7 days. Moderating is fine with me, but the moderator needs to be able to handle criticism on the brand. On the m43 forum you have a constant influx of either FF/APSc DSLr users or SOny NEX users contesting the choice for m43s. If I don’t like it, why bother to respond? And if people get out of line (ad hominem for instance) you can get a warning and then a temporary ban I think.
Well…I have to sagree here. Iw as actually banned because of the reply gave to tecnoworld because he was way too optimistic about the abilites of the Samsung sensors I thoght. At least according to DxO…May be it was the type in that message 9see link below in my other answer). I menat to write that I did not think future m43 sensors were going to get any better soon. But I forgot one word…So now it seemed that I thought they would become a lot better…Anyways. Tecnoworld in my view is certainly not against Samsung. I think recently, with the advent of FF mirrorless and EM1 and all that stuff he simply feels Galaxy NX is a totally wrong, rather absurd way to go. I have to agree.
Well the very same happened to me. I am an avid m43 user but never bashed the Samsung camera’s. I had some fair critique and I think some others and me werehaving a fruitfull discussion. When Taffy (welsh for David I suppose) banned me for a week and the reason was that:
“Your repeated behaviour of coming here, never with any proof, just your opinion, and the way you state these opinions, is nothing short of bashing the camera brand in question. There is no merit to any of your posts. Please stay away from this forum in future.”
First of all. even if it was “only” opinion than that would still be very valuable I think on a forum. Forums are more or less feeding of opinions if you ask me…So to put that as some sort of shortcoming or criticism towards some one, by a moderator, seems pretty strange.
However, in that same argument I took the trouble to get various DxOmark scores (graphs) as you can see here:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51791560
It was a temprary ban but I cannot go to the Samsung forum any more. Not a problem for me, if I look at the traffic over at that side of the dpreview forum it however does seem more of a problem for them.
A moderator is not a bad thing, but a moderator that cannot tolerate fair criticism on a product is.
Exactly, the moderator named Taffy in Samsung forum at dpreview seems to simply ignore any rule of real moderation. He simply bans whoever says something ‘different’ than what he thinks. Some time ago he wanted that everybody agreed with him about the rear screen of nx300 being improved by an anti glare protector. For me that protector even worsened the screen and he said I wad picky and stated that I was wrong and he was right.
He is a very rude person and what is worse is that he never helps anyone on the forum. Many ask questions about their gear. I often helped them, and others did as well. Taffy never did.
He just posts to exalt and glorify samsung products but he seems to have minimal technical knowledges and also minimal photographical knowledges.
Some days ago Taffy posted a picture taken with the galaxy nx, after months during which he went on saying that he didn’t need an evf since the nx300 could not have one.
Well, I asked him which is the usp of the galaxy nx and showed him that, imo, a nx300 + a tablet is a much cheaper and better take, when compared to gnx.
He did not replied me. So I hinted to the fact that only ppl getting a galaxy nx for free (as some on the web did) can be happy with it. I hence asked if he bought it. He didn’t reply, again.
So I wrote: ‘ok, I assume you got it for free, then’ and he simply banned me for abuse.
It’s scandalous that dpr allows such a person to be unique moderator of one of their forums. That defeats the credibility of the whole site for me,
I really hope that someone reports this on samsung forum and I hope that someone at dpr investigates on Taffy and sends him away once for all.