Fujirumors reports that Fuji is working on a Full Frame X-PRO 2 which will be released in 2015. Unfortunately no current X-mount lens will work on the new mount. There will be a minimum of three lenses at launch.
This would be the first competition for the newly launched Sony A7 system. A great news!
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it will cost most likely well over $2000 as the X-Pro1 was/is $1699 and then the lenses will cost more than the current APS-C mount lenses –
My point on FF is that the lenses are large and heavy – so therefore for example Sony will not produce fast zooms for the A7/r – only so far the kit lens at F3.5-5.6 and the crazy costly 70-200 F4.0 at $3000 and it is still very large and heavy for that small A7/r body – I just can’t imagine they will sell many –
Why would a Pro with a good FF Nikon or Canon body and a good 70-200 F2.8 lenses for less than $3000 – bodies that can support the size and weight better buy the small A7/r?
I can see some just get the A7/r with few Primes – although still large but still not crazy large – even the kit lens is large –
I think the key is to improve the smaller sensors and focus on making the lenses smaller and lighter so we can maintain a balance of lenses vs bodies –
The current Fuji X APS-C size lenses are not quite small and light –
I would assume the X-Pro2 FF will have a larger body than the Sony A7/r – so no doubt it will produce nice images – but will be very costly and lenses also very costly and the owners will have to be starved for lenses for few years – like with the A7/r – and in the case of Sony with the NEX APS-C E-mount – we never got any fast zooms or a good collection – and will not as Sony has deemed the new A5000/6000 or the E-mount for beginners that do not need additional lenses – and is forcing more advanced users into the FE mount or A7/r –
having to buy all new lenses again –
I am glad the M43 world has produced nice lenses including fast zooms like 70-200mm F2.8 etc – nice size and weight – super nice bodies like the Olympus OMD-Em1 for example –
Although I like Fuji X – I will pass on the FF X Pro2 – as I know it will be very costly and costly lenses and heavy
As the manufactures are not able to sell so much based on Mega Pixels anymore Sony decided to make the in – thing Sensor Size – Full Frame – so now everyone is getting on the FF hype bandwagon –
I have few friends with the Sony A7/r and all say the same – yes it has some good points but there are also many not so great and of course lack of lenses they all complain about – also the fact that Sony is primarily pushing pricey branded Zeiss glass vs less costly Sony branded glass –
So if one wants a 50mm F1.8 it is $1000 etc
I suppose Fuji did such a good job on the X-t1 that it would have not made sense to just improve the X-Pro1 so the only way to resurrect the X-Pro1 is to make it FF – my prediction is it will not sell all that well – there will be the Purists and those with lots of money that will buy it –
I think many will make a case that why not just buy a Nikon or Canon DSLR with a huge collection of lenses for less and just live with the fact that the body is a bit larger than a mirror-less body –
Although eventually I think DSLRs will start to fade out as focusing starts to get better on moving objects on mirror-less cameras and when lenses start getting smaller – or when the giant ship Canon starts moving – when they see Sony start stealing much of their market –
It is very nice, That FUJI will make a FF camera, hopefully containing a 24 Mpx sensor and the most important it is rangefinder that hopefully are small and more easy to fall into the surroundings. And it don´t look as a SLR.
For me it could be the camera for my M-lenses.
I highly doubt the rumor. Fuji has made it clear in the past they had no intention of going full frame.
they also said that they will consider it if there is enough demand for it
Are there demands for it? Sony already has to discount their FE cameras.
Great point. I have many friends that got into the FF hype and all are bummed by lack of fast zooms and lack of Sony branded lenses and $1000 F1.8 primes and a $3000 for a 70-200 F4.0. and forgot to think how the large and heavy FF lenses will work on the small a7/r body with a small grip. And have no use for their E mount glass
Way to go Fuji. No compatibility with current lenses. You should learn from Sony how to design a lens mount.
Seriously, is this a late April Fools joke?
Although I’m intrigued by a FF X-Pro camera from Fuji, it doesn’t make any sense.
1, They would practically negate all the wonderful XF lenses for all their APS-C cameras. Start all over, essentially?
2, This would piss off a lot of current (& past) Fuji X camera owners who have already been waiting too long for a new X-Pro camera only to be disappointed all the $$ they spent investing in the APS-C lenses will be useless for their patience
Anyways, early rumors, hope there is an X-Pro2, not so hopeful it’ll be FF, though.
I agree. No need to go FF.
Full Frame is the mantra tirelessly marketing is repeating so that we all believe the incredible and miraculous advantages of this format. What they are saying is if you don´t own a FF or MF camera you are not a serious photographer but a mediocre amateur. Regrettably, most mediocre amateurs believe that statement is true.
Agreed, as much as I’d like this camera, I have to agree I don’t really need it. Aps-c is more than enough and even m4/3 would be for most situations.
This is a honest answer. Most wannabe photographers would say they really need the big sensor. Probably your pictures are much better than theirs.
This is a nonsensical argument and it is obvious that Fuji needs to move to full frame.
When Canon released the full frame DSLRs, the other brands (e.g. Nikon) were forced to follow, and the ones that didn’t follow (e.g. Pentax) disappeared to the background. Full frame is a *minimum* to reel in professionals, and if this mirrorless thing is serious, brands need to roll out a full frame line of cameras/lenses.
Sony/Zeiss kicked it off. Of course Fuji was not going to sit around and do nothing. I’m assuming the same for Olympus (in my opinion the very reason for the Sony-Olympus cooperation).
This is of course sad news for APS-C Fuji users, because the system will be reduced to a similar status as Nikon DX. But this was obvious from the beginning (in my opinion).
“it is obvious that Fuji needs to move to full frame.”
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If it was obvious there would be little discussion of the matter.*
“Full frame is a *minimum* to reel in professionals”
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When clients (even wedding package buyers) don’t even want prints any more, and no image will ever be viewed by any normal person at higher resolutions than 4 megapixels?
When newspapers are having their reporters use smartphones?
The truth is that there is some minimum sensor size that is required to “reel in professionals”, but that size depends on the fraction of professionals you want to reel in. In 1935 you probably needed a 4×5 inch view camera to reel in most professionals. In 1950 you probably needed medium format quality to reel in most professionals. In 2014 it is by no means obvious that one needs 24x36mm sensor size for 51% or more of professional work.
Maybe APS-C sensors are indeed big enough to reel in most professionals now. The small cameras and lenses certainly allow professionals to more easily and efficiently bring a wider range of redundant gear to a given location.
“No image will ever be viewed at higher resolutions than 4mp” ??
… ehh, maybe that is somewhat true at the moment, but with the advent of higher resolution displays, and especially large 4k displays, 4mp will simply not be enough.
4k is approx 8 megapixels. Do you want 8 megapixels of crap or 8 megapixels of quality? Especially when that is viewed on a 30 inch monitor which will be sitting only a couple feet or so from your face.
I understand your point, most people don’t need the sensor size, or the print size, but times are changing. Sooner or later that might not be the case.
Totally agree
Since Fuji is setting a new standard (their aps-c lenses will obviously not fit) it’s a great oportunity to make something new. Why not try to beat the beasts by using a slightly larger sensor; ie 30×40 mm. Pros would love it and it would differ to the XE-2/ XT-1. It would still be smaller (no mirror) than FF DSLR.
But are they going to abandon that abominable sensor, pros will not tolerate the horrid image quality. The X sensor is fine for posting on the web but examine at 100% for a large print and the image just falls apart, all blotchy and posterized. For IQ, every APS-C sensor made in the past 8 years outperforms this sensor.
This kind of contentless trashing is never accompanied by real data, and of course there’s never the slightest evidence of the author’s photographic skills that give their opinion the slightest value. For example where’s the APS-C photos you’ve taken, that show that APS-C sensor as “outperforming” the Fuji website sample photos in a side-by-side comparison? And what’s the size of the last “large print” someone asked you for, of your work?
(my own APS-C work sample at http://tinyurl.com/aps-csample)
Please, show me where you found some photo created and processed by an up-to-date (as of March 2014) raw converter (or out–of-camera JPEG) like that.
I can believe that Adobe’s raw processing messed up and produced a terrible print initially, but even they have improved their understanding of the color filter array since that time.
I don’t even own FujiFilm equipment and I know that what you’re saying isn’t reasonable.
as much as i love the fuji colors, handling and feel…any modern fullframe camera is in another league when it comes to sharpness and details. most obvious at high-iso. i dont get why some people tell different storys…so the move to fullframe is needed to compete. and i dont get why some fuji users are offended with that…aps-c and fullframe cameras do co-exist very well.
btw: here is a quick and dirty comparision xe-2 vs. a7 at iso 6400, raw processed with lightroom (and no, the fuji jpegs are not better…there is less noise but they smear away even more detail – just a matter of taste what you like more)
[url]http://dominic-schulz.de/temp/DSCF0358_001.jpg[/url]
If they would build it to support Nikon F-Mount it would be great … I used to own the Fuji Finepix S2and it was great with Nikon lenses!
Camera makers usually make lens for the consumer first and if they are a success then bring our the “pro” lenses. As much as I’d love to use a full frame Fuji for my work I suspect they will not have the lens I need for 12 to 18 months after release. I’m an aerial and architectural photographer. I can use a “normal” lens for most aerial work, but for architectural work I require 18mm minimum.
Al this means is that I would love to have the new full frame Fuji, but fear I will not have the lens I need for quite some time.
Of course, my first Fuji DSLR used Nikon lens…perhaps!
Fuji doesn’t have to release FF. But they do need to follow Sony innovation. I love Fuji lenses cuz I don’t to worry when I need to buy their lenses. Because all of Fuji X lenses are super great. But I do wish Fuji will release a camera with tons of AF points, great hybrid phase-contrast detection, and also able to shoot 12fps in burst mode. In body image stabilization would be a bonus 🙂
I move from Nikon to Fuji and for about 3 months have been using Sony A6000 and soon will get A7ii. I love all features of those 2 Sony cameras. But I hate Sony lenses. I feel like I’m going back to Nikon/Canon, always worry to waste money on choosing lenses. Unlike with Fuji, no matter what, all of their lenses are awesome, tack sharp and produce beautiful colors. Even the cheapest Fuji 16-50 kit lens. That’s not the case with other brands. I’ve spent $1500 for Sony 70-200 lens and it’s not as sharp as the cheaper Fuji 50-200 or 55-230. Yes I’m sharpness freak :p So the bottom line, personally I don’t think it is necessary for Fuji to release fullframe camera. Fuji only needs to release another Aps-c X camera with awesome features like Sony, instead of following those crop crap fullframe nonsense.