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I tell you… this comes from trusted source, and therefore you better mark this date in your calendar.
However, before sharing, one important note: don’t take it as a 100% fact … I hear you saying: “Why? It comes from trusted source!” That’s right. But….
… but trusted or not, there is always a little risk to share the precise launch date several months before the official announcement. In fact, Fuji can change the date anytime for several reasons.
And believe me, if there is one thing I hate even more than posting a wrong rumor, then it’s posting a correct rumor at the time of sharing, but that turns out to be wrong, just because Fuji changed plans later on (damn you, Fuji X-Pro1S!!!).
That’s the risk of sharing early rumors, but what rumor site would FujiRumors be, if I wouldn’t take some risks for you π .
Ok, let’s move on.
I’ve noticed that since yesterday some fake rumors about the X-Pro2 announcement (& more) are circulating on the web, immediately debunked by the trusted Japanese source. According to the source, there won’t be any X-Pro2 at the CES in Las Vegas.
And today’s rumor is also brought to you by trusted source (thanks a lot!), who confirms: the trusted Japanese source is spot on. No X-Pro2 announcement at CES [6th to 9th January] but later. Fuji has set the announcement date to mid-January… more precisely, the 15th of January!
I don’t know you, but I’ve marked this date on my calendar. Of course I’ll let you know if there will be any changes, but I’m very optimistic that Fuji will keep this date.
Oh, and btw, isn’t Fuji launching a Big 5 years X-celebration Party at their HQ in… guess when… Mid-January? Sure, it doesn’t mean anything, it’s not a proof… we all know that coincidence exists π !
NOTE: I’m still working to find out exactly when it will hit the market. Knowing Fujifilm, probably right in time for spring… 2017… just kidding π
there is still a lot to discover about the Fujifilm X-Pro2… so stay tuned in FujiRumors
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X-Pro2 Rumored Specs List (TS= trusted source / NeS =New Source / AS = Anonymous Source / SRP = source who was right in the past / OS = other sites)
β APS-C sensor (TS + AS + AS)
β 24MP sensor (AS) β More than 16MP (AS)
β 1/8000 of a second mechanical shutter speed (TS)
β Sync Speed faster than 1/180th (SRP)
β about the same size of current X-PRO1 (NeS)
β dual SD card slot (NeS)
β coming late 2015 (TS + AS)
β delayed to 2016 (TS)
β coming in January 2016 (SRP)
– Coming after CES (TS)
– Announcement on 15th Janaury 2016 (TS)
β weather sealed (TS)
β Two X-PRO2 version, one 24MP APS-C and one 25-27 MP ASP-X, compatible with XF/XC lenses (OS)
β coming September / October (OS + OS)
β tilt screen (AS)
β WiFi (AS)
β Non organic ASP-C X-Trans sensor (OS)
β Price about 20% to 30% more expensive than the X-T1 (AS)
β 4K video (TS + NeS)
β Faster Processor EXR III (TS)
β smaller than X-PRO1 (OS)
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Is that 24MP sensor a fact? or a Guestimate.
IMHO 24MP is a little…. outdated compared to what can be achieved with the Samsung 27MP sensor.
Sometimes I think Pro-2 already outdated before it sees the light.
That’s the thing that worries me too. What is it they can do to make it flagship camera again and not release another 2 cameras within a year that will be miles better.
I have to admit that I’m only excited about the X-Pro2 because it foreshadows an X-T2.
π nice one. x-t1 is great camera just not for me, the same like any other slr-styled camera – big nose, that is
And I admit I’m only excited because we’ll finally stop hearing about it π But then again we’ll start hearing about the X-T2 so we’re doomed π
and I finally can stop writing about it… what a relief! I’m eXhausted π
lol
I actually enjoy the rumor posts. I’m just tired of all the whining in the comments.
I can’t wait for your X-T2 posts although I’m still more than happy with my X-T1 π
This, to me, proves that Sony is making all the right moves by releasing cameras every 3 weeks, no matter how deficient their lens system is. That seems to be what people want.
I personally would like to get away from the “flagship” term, as if it were a car. I consider my cameras tools. It’s ok to have multiple small tools. The Pro-2 and X-T1 can survive along side each other. Firmware updates can keep the X-T1 relevant until the X-T2 is released.
Hope they didn’t pick 2012 components and worked 3 years on it…
Until now we had 16MP and now 24 is already “outdated”? If it were up to me, they should leave it at 16…that’s already the pixel density of a D800…
Everybody complained back then and suggested, the D800 merely was “a studio camera”. Strangely enough, nobody complains about 24MP for APS-C…because pixel-desity-wise the FF equivalent would be 54MP…
I shoot with both a D800 and an X-T1. I’d never complain about pixel density or that a D800 can only be used in the studio. Nikon and Sony have pretty much standardized their DX/E-sized camera lines with various 24mp sensors. Fuji moving to 24mp seems quite reasonable and expected. At this point, you’re not really losing anything. And the higher the resolving power of an X camera, the more situations I would choose to bring it instead of my big heavy D800.
Exactly. Besides, Fuji could not survive if they continued to try to push 16mp as “sufficient” in this marketplace.
I like to know about the ASP-X Sized myself.
24 megapixels isn’t outdated. Sony is still bringing out 12 megapixel cameras. It’s just a matter of what your needs are and what tradeoffs you are willing to make. I’d rather have more dynamic range and better high ISO performance.
Besides, 27 megapixels versus 24 is 12,5% more resolution, which means you are looking at about sqrt( 12,5 ) = 3,5% more pixels on each side of your picture.
The resolution thing is just a marketing joke. People will feel that something is inferior if it is smaller or has a smaller number, especially in the US market. Most of that resolution never reaches the final audience of the images. If you shoot primarily in decent light (high ISO quality has come a long way), you can get a Nikon D200 for close to nothing and nobody will be able to tell from the results that you don’t own the latest camera that cost you thousands of dollars.
Not to mention that most people buying a new camera for higher resolution won’t be able to show you a single photo they took that would have been better with more resolution. Nowadays, resolution is almost never the limiting factor, except for extremely select few people doing rather specialized work.
bravo
Mostly you are right, I did well with 3 MP with a Canon 10D not great but ok 20D at 6 MP was cool now thats a jump kind of 30D at 10MP was nice to have and the 40D then 50D at 15MP. I have 2 Fuji X bodys at 16 MP I don’t need 3.
The benefits of keeping it 16megapixels are smaller files and better low light performance.
What benefits do 24++ megapixels give you? Cropping? You should be cropping in camera anyway. If you have to crop that severely for your photos constantly, you should learn to frame your shots better. Besides, if you have to crop, 16 megapixels already allows alot of room for cropping.
What about printing? Are you printing huge, wall sized prints? Even still, I bet 16 megapixels is plenty for that. I’ve printed free big prints from my xt1 and looked amazing.
Face it, most of you guys probably just post online. More resolution doesn’t help you there. The only time big megapixels matter is when we get 8k displays.
“The only time big megapixels matter is when we get 8k displays” – i guess you’ve answered your question. the way we share, enjoy and work with photographs will change and is changing. supporting higher resolutions (if sensors are available) never hurts.
I thought this nonsense has been laid to rest.
Not anymore. The 24mp sensor in the Nikon D7200 performs just as well in low light now as the X-Trans sensor. Fuji should easily be able to jump to 24mp and provide perhaps even better high ISO performance than the Nikon.
The human eye has trouble resolving detail past 200 dpi. Doing
the math, a Canon 5D Mark 3 offers you only about 4.3 inches/11
centimeters more print size on the long size of a photo. Keep in
mind though that viewing distance is an important factor in resolution,
too. Most people will not look at big prints from close-up, hence you
can print big pictures at a lower resolution.
that all depends on the viewing distance, does it not?
Downsampling also provides more perceptible acuity with more pixels. All else being equal, I’ll happily take a few more megapixels.
Hey, no trusted source ever confirmed the 24 MP sensor. So, what if, … the x-pro2 won’t feature a 24 MP sensor at all? Sounds reasonable to assume that Fuji sticks to 16 MP.
They won’t stick to 16mp. Guarantee.
Exciting! Any word on that X-T2 that would be announced “soon after”? If it was really coming a month or so later, there should be some signs or talk of it…
Soon, in Fuji words means 2 years.
Don’t know about 2 years, but it’ll need to be long enough for the XPro2 to have time in the sun for the sales cycle.
They need to restart their Pro cameras by removing “Pro” from the name.
Having a “pro” in the name doesn’t make a camera pro. Does it?
Not really Pro means tuff can take it.
I disagree
Feel free to disagree on the definition of the word, but in marketing terms that is basically what it means for a fact.
Indeed, we have very high expectations for that PRO. Fuji must deliver !
And you are free to disagree, I say a year from now we will all know how well its made.
It does’t make the camera “pro”, but it does make its name a lot less of an infringement of Leica’s “X1” trademark.
They’ve been discussng this on the SAR page, it seems to only bother non professionals the most. Some professionals have more than one body, many non photog professionals have more than one tool. Because of the installed 4k video, this discussion is likely to continue for years now. Potographers….. Videographers…etc. Most would feel that their optical gear should at least be weather sealed to some extent so that they can use it outdoors on location.
Maybe it was supposed to stand for ‘prosumer’ ?? π
The only thing that makes any camera “pro”, is the person using it.
X-Pro2 will excite me only if the AF in low light will be vastly improved, at least -2EV AF sensitivity ! Fuji is at the end of all competitors in AF performance in low light when you shoot people in move, as I do. Try Oly, Panasonic, Nikon, they focus down to even -4EV vs pooooor Fuji 0EV AF. No suprice with about 50% missing AF shots in low light with any subject in move. Hope Fuji will finally bring – after 4 years – good AF which others gave to their customers already 2-3 year back. Same with Custom Modes – during 4 years no Fuji camera has been given this feature! Fuji bring please also with your “Pro” cam, more than 1 direct Fn buton, and bigger back AF-On buton.
Hope Fuji is reading (and it’s not too late). That’s the most serious drawback of Fuji camera right now (and video, but majority of people use autofocus feature everytime).
your numbers are bad and you should feel bad π (actually Fuji does focus below 0EV – just not with PDAF but CDAF)
All right, share with us with the numbers you know that makes you feel so good about Fuji AF performance in low light. BTW, it will change nothing that Fuji’s AF in low light is behind all the competitors.
google is your friend.
aaaaahh good ‘ol Georges ! I have not been around FR a lot for several months and but I see that St Georges is still trying to enlighten people with stories about how every other brand killed that -4EV AF Dragon blah blah blah….
I salute your dedication.
My “stories” are true, try ANY Panasonic or Olympus in low light AF vs best FUJI tech like X-T1, and you will see how far behind them is Fuji in AF focusing in low light with its 0EV (or -0,5EV) and with 50% missing shots. It’s a fact, not “my stories”. Fuji’s AF in low light is simply very poor. And compared to Oly, Pana, Sony if also offers far less features.
I was just surprised that since you cannot live w/o being able to AF on a black cat in a coal mine, and have not been for quite a while now, you are still using Fuji gear. In Low light I tend to MF and always have.
George needs a little light
In pitch darkness? George, I tend to bring a lith or NiMH bat pack, a small fresnel (Fiilex or Lupo) and a second body that can shoot the needed ISO, and keep on going. Now if you are taking landscape or nature type photos, you probably would bring along another tool when its gets that dark. Have a looksee http://www.prophotonut.com/ You may find some interesting lowlight Fuji work
Patrick, I’ve noticed your X-Pro2 rumor recap doesn’t talk about the viewfinder (I remember that a couple of Fuji execs spoke about maintaining the HVF).
Do you have new info/confirmation on this?
Thanks for the great work.
it will have the HVF
Cool, thanks!
Anyone know anything about the price? What do you reckon, same as X-Pro1, i.e. 1700 USD – 2000 EUR, or would it be somewhere around the 2000 USD – 2500 EUR mark?
2000 USD – 90% yes, depending on the specs/ performance, around 2500 EUR – wait for the X-T2 π
Well that depends if it’s just the same thing with a new sensor, or if it has some really big changes like .. i dunno, IBIS ?
True, IBIS = 300 EUR, I’d say, just for the added value to the three primes I own….and a stabilized 56mm 1.2 would be incredible.
Now waiting for the first sneak images of the X-Pro2…
I think they are going to release something big and ground breaking.
Doubtful
Has everyone read this little tidbit that Thom Hogan posted over the weekend?
“Rumors are that the next generation of APS sensors for the Sony A5xxx/A6xxx/A7xxx had heat and yield issues, which is why weβve seen no E-mount Sonyβs lately (the full frame A7βs are FE-mount). Fujifilm will deploy a version of the existing Sony 24mp APS with the Fujifilm X-trans filtration in their upcoming X generation, so they donβt need whatever the special sauce is in the next generation of APS from Sony.”
Speculation around FR has been that the Pro2 delay was due to the six month head start Sony gives itself for its new sensors. However, If Thom is correct, then Fujifilm’s delay in announcing the Pro2 is their fault (not Sony’s), and the sensor is “old” tech.
The X-Pro2 needs Revolution not Evolution !
What does that mean, exactly?
Revolution = new technology.
Evolution = improvement of existing technology.
You can fill it in π
New technology = better pics?
seriously sounds as if you just buy cameras for the technology
Actually, the whole point of it being called a revolution is because it just goes around in circles (thanks, Terry). So for the X-Pro2 to be really revolutionary, it must be a film camera.
What is wrong with photography, that it MUST HAVE new technology. Is current technology holding you back from being the great photographer you know you can be?
Economics ?
Economics is going to make you a better photographer?
Looking forward to see what they have come up with. Hopefully it turns out to be something special, as that will also be a sign of what is to come for the X-T2/XE3. I prefer the size and design of the X-Pro though.
I’m over the X-Pro2. I’d really like to see a Fuji X Mount DSLR!!!!
I’m over physics. I’d really like to see a camera that defeats its laws.
π
I’ll go against the flow and say that Fuji does not need a revolution here to succeed. Today’s sensors are amazing. The AF has come a very long way and is pretty good for most use cases.
If Fuji just gets rid of its main weaknesses and improves the other features that will be enough to please many people. To me that means:
– New sensor. The current generation 24MP sensors are exceptional. X-Trans or not is secondary. But if you go with X-Trans (which they will) get your sh* together and get perfect Adobe support including automatic support of film profiles. I don’t want to manually select them for each shot.
– Make AF even better. Meaning more PDAF pixels spread over the whole frame and better performance in low light. Better tracking would be welcome but isn’t the priority for the people who shoot Fuji.
– Better video. I don’t care about it but many people do. Get it done.
– Faster flash sync speed and 1/8000th mechanical shutter.
– Lossless RAW compression and 100% preview without having to shoot RAW+JPEG.
– Dual card slot.
– Proper placement of the tripod mount.
– Battery that can’t be inserted the wrong way.
Apart from that improve the HVF and screen, card write speed/responsiveness and make the thing WR. Great camera and a large majority of photographers will need nothing else. IBIS would be icing on the cake.
All this revolution talk is rubbish. Revolutions happen every now and then (= rarely) but they are not the driver of progress. Improvement/evolution/iteration is. The mythical organic sensor might become a revolution but today’s cameras are only the limiting factor in β let me guess β less than 1% of use cases. In the other 99% it’s you, me, my brother Jake, Wilson Picket, Solomon Burke, everybody, but not the camera.
I like your suggestions. Having a multi aspect camera will be cool too so we won’t have to be constrained to the old 2:3 format without cropping.
yawn
Look at what the competiton is doing, I’m afraid a simple iteration won’t be enough for the upcoming Fuji’s Flagship and for Fuji in general.
someone gets it π
I know what the competition (namely Sony) is doing. But you didn’t get my point. Your response is like saying “Look at what BMW is selling, Volkswagen is doomed.” If Volkswagen was crap it would be doomed. But just because someone else sells something better does not mean you can’t succeed if your Volkswagen does everything you need well and even costs less.
And don’t fool yourselves: Sony won’t be able to keep up this pace of innovation. Not even close.
let’s review that in a couple of years, so far it looks like they’ve been innovating a lot where fuji was just releasing various cameras based on the same sensor – meaning that IQ is the same
An EVF that has received a ton of praise from all the reviewers. Tremendous progress in AF performance (though still behind Sony). An f1.2 lens sharp wide open (and still pretty small and rather affordable). A highly improved EVF lag.
A camera is more than its sensor. We all know Fuji needs a new sensor. Not because the old one is bad β it’s pretty great actually β but because so many people want one (whether they need it or not). Fuji has been standing pretty still in that sense but it’s not like they didn’t innovate anywhere.
I agree, let’s check our predictions in a few years. I could be wrong, but I’m very sure Sony’s innovation is slowing.
Let’s be honest here in regards to EVF and X-T1 itself – that was Fuji’s reaction to Oly E-M1, camera that had the best EVF on the market, the best AF and built-in IS. A lot of people bought it, a lot of people traded APS-C for m43 just to get all that.
Fuji was reactive, not proactive.
IQ is fine with Fuji, maybe a stop better performace would be nice, but not essential. What Fuji really needs is DSLR like AF (like olympus) and maybe video similar to GH3/4. That is all that is NEEDED. Anything else is just for enthusiasts trying to boast ‘oh my camera does HDR’ – real photographers don’t care about gimmicks.
Or let’s even be honest here in regards to EVF, and acknowledge that EVF development is not really driven by camera manufacturers. They may express their needs and desires to component manufacturers, but they are all reacting to the design and availability of the component display panels used. Admittedly some camera manufacturers make better use of them than others, but they are all reactive not proactive, in that they are all dependant on the same panels for their VFs.
It is absolutely true that Fuji haven’t been sitting on their hands. However, there is competition from all sides which provides easily as good of an IQ and has also easily as good lenses. On top of that, feature-wise, the competition is doing better; and features are important where IQ is generally excellent from all manufacturers. Fuji, imho, has three things going for it – colors, consistent well-thought-out line up of lenses and its specific interface.
IQ benefit of Sony A7ii? If we get 10 random photos from m4/3 to Fuji to Sony A7 series cameras, you probably couldn’t tell the difference in normal viewing conditions. In fact, I couldn’t tell the difference in IQ when viewing Pentax 645Z photos.
Buy yourself some eyes… Honestly. If you can’t difference M43 and FF/MF then stop photography man.
Just in term of DoF and high ISO already…
There’s a recent thread in DPR’s Fuji X forum where a Sony fan was asked to identify which photo from Imaging Resource was taken with a Sony Ξ±7, and which was taken with a Fuji X. He got it wrong — because the Fuji X had visibly better IQ.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/56457981 and read the replies that follow — some of them quite entertaining π
A few Fuji fans got it wrong, too, showing how a meme (in this case, “waxy skin/aggressive NR” and such) can completely mislead people.
So let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that Fuji has not been innovating a lot lately. Given how Sony fans can get something like that wrong, maybe Fuji didn’t need to? π
It is clearly written both in the thread and on the source page, that this is the a77markII, not the a7. As to the visibly better IQ, the Fuji used a prime lens and is focused differently – if I crop a different part of the image, things will look different. Not much of a comparison – two APS-C sensors focused differently with different lenses.
While I thank you for that correction, it doesn’t affect my point, since hexx’s apparent point is that Sony’s continual innovation (e.g., the a77 mark II) guarantees better IQ than the Fuji.
As for the rest — I’m not trying to prove that Fuji’s default IQ is always and everywhere better than Sony’s. In the first couple of messages in that thread, Sony fans were claiming that IR’s samples showed how the a77mII matched or besting Fuji’s IQ. Pointing out that, no, they don’t do that, and that even Sony fans can’t identify the Sony camera correctly, certainly contradicts hexx’s thesis.
How are two (pretty much one, actually) commenters on some thread disproving anything? You are taking some random clueless guy and considering him of being representative of something and all of that based on an entirely pointless comparison. I am also of the opinion of hexx and some thread or the comparison mentioned do not disprove or contradict that at all.
OP’s title in that thread: “Have some camera manufacturers already matched Fuji’s outstanding IQ?” which is what hexx was asserting. More than “two” commenters either stated or expressed surprise that the first image was the Sony (let alone “pretty much one”), but two of them were asserting (or at least suggesting) that IR’s images proved Sony’s IQ matched it. If you and hexx think not, fine, though I am curious as to your basis for deciding that Jano’s comment (Volkswagen v. BMW) is invalid (and hexx’s comment was intended as a reply to that comment of Jano’s, so presumably you agree with hexx that Jano is wrong).
I counted mg_k and some other person; maybe there are a few more. Same difference. Jano’s comment is invalid for the reasons I mention in my reply to him, nothing to see with IQ. As to hexx, nothing to see with IQ either, I simply agree with the following:
“[Sony] have been innovating a lot where fuji was just releasing various cameras based on the same sensor – meaning that IQ is the same”
You took up on the IQ part and I disagreed with your example, as it isn’t much of an argument, because some people saying something on a thread doesn’t make them a reference (or Sony fans for that matter) and the comparison shown is entirely flawed.
At what point in my comment did I say that A77 has better IQ? Please read my comment again before you reply with nonsense like that.
That is not in fact what I am saying, but I didn’t express myself well, so let me clarify. You wrote that “[Sony] been innovating a lot where fuji was just releasing various cameras based on the same sensor – meaning that IQ is the same.” [emphasis added]
Sony’s innovations have come primarily from releasing cameras with new sensors — not just in general; that’s the clear implication of your own argument, as I have highlighted. Following this line of reasoning, future Sony cameras would be “guaranteed” better because of their better sensors, unless you think that both Fuji and Sony have reached some maximal IQ, which doesn’t seem to be the case given your suggestion to check back in a couple of years. If you wish to say that is not what you mean, then I submit you need to rephrase your own statement, the way I have rephrased mine.
Now, my point is that there is more to IQ than just a newer sensor, which the a77 does in fact have. I do not actually think that a77 mark II has worse IQ than the Fuji; I just mean to point out that people who make such claims very often can’t tell the difference. As Jano wrote, “just because someone else sells something better does not mean you can’t succeed if your Volkswagen does everything you need well and even costs less.”
I agree with you that IQ these days is really a matter of Preference.( I prefer the Fuji colors) But i think the new sony sensors has better AF than fujiΒ΄s current sensor. And Volkswagen is been sold for Volkswagen Prices not BMW prices. Fuji is selling their camera at sony prices or even more.
“Look at what BMW is selling, Volkswagen is doomed.”
That would be true if Fuji somehow cheaper than equivalent systems and providing a lot of utility that the others don’t.
No, Volkswagen is just cheaper, they don’t provide anything the others don’t. Apparently, the only thing they do provide that others don’t is more dirt in diesel engines π
What Fuji does is provide a little less quality but it does that at a lower price than the competition. Get a nice camera with 24, 35, 50 and 85 mm equivalent primes and do the calculation for the 3 big systems: M4/3, Fuji X and Sony A7. M4/3 and Sony will be quite a bit more expensive if you want those prime equivalents at a comparable DOF.
Out of those three systems the Sony A7 system will have the edge in absolute image quality but Fuji is easily good enough for a majority of photographers so due to lower price and size it is a very interesting option for many of us.
They (VW) provide plenty the others don’t, but anyway. Fuji is not cheaper. First, your lens selection is entirely random. Why not 28mm instead of 24mm? Second, what if comparable DoF is not an issue – that is especially tricky to compare as there often aren’t equivalent lenses between systems? Third, why not include the Sony APS-C line, Samsung and EOS-M?
(using BHphoto prices) In terms of bodies, everyone has cheaper ones (or equally expensive), sometimes even with extra features – compare the E-M1, E-M5II, a6000 to the X-T1. In terms of lenses, it simply depends on what one needs, but overall Sony’s APS-C lenses are in line or cheaper than Fuji’s (albeit with lower iQ), m43 has some really cheap lenses, Samsung too, EOS-M too. Example, Fuji’s 35mm 1.4; the Sony 35mm 1.8 is slower, but also excellent and costs 25% less; the Zuiko 25mm 1.8 is even slower, but even cheaper; the Panasonic 25mm 1.4 is the same price. I can do this all day and there won’t be any advantage overall to Fuji. In some specific cases, sure, but in others it will be the opposite.
This is actually the first time I hear someone saying that Fuji is cheaper.
You’re just making this stuff up as you go along, right?
First: those are the big three mirrorless systems that enthusiasts use. The only other system close to having a comparable high quality lens lineup is Sony’s APS-C system but even they top out at f1.8 which for many serious photographers doesn’t cut it. And using those huge FF lenses isn’t a realistic option either. I’ve not read of a single professional photographer who uses the A6000 as a main system. I even know of more pros who use Nikon 1 as their main system…
Second: yes, the lens choices are my choices but they are the most common used focal lengths in primes. So they are not random. Almost everybody will agree that those are the most important four in a lineup. And I know they are difficult to compare when the exact equivalent isn’t available.
Third: of course it depends on your needs. I never said Fuji was the best choice for everybody. I’ve considered Sony APS-C myself for financial reasons. But for many people (for example portrait photographers wanting fast primes in those four focal lengths) Fuji delivers great value and does that at a cheaper price than the competition. Yes, that’s one specific example but that’s all I was saying: even if Fuji doesn’t perform some kind of miracle with the release of the X-Pro2, there is still a market for them.
Obviously if you don’t need low DOF and don’t care about maximum light gathering you can be happy with a lot of systems out there.
Actually, you are the one making stuff as you go.
First, you simply spoke about competition, then, in your last reply, about enthusiasts, which was then quickly switched to professionals. Which is it? I am comparing systems in general, for everyone. As to your anecdotal experience about “pros” not using a6000, well, what can I say? In any case I find all this talk about pros irrelevant, as pros are not much of a reference.
Second, yes, these are the common FLs for many systems. And, yes, they are, with some small variations, “the most important four in a lineup”. However, these are not necessarily what people would buy as a set. Some will buy a 24, a 35 and a 55-200. Others would go for 10-24, 50 and 55-200. Others will maybe buy 28mm and 40mm. So, any comparison of a specific set of lenses will be misleading as to the overall value of the system. That is basic logic, hence why I prefer to compare lenses one by one.
Three, you said that Fuji is cheaper and I addressed that, by showing an example. “[for] portrait photographers wanting fast primes in those four focal lengths Fuji delivers great value” I can absolutely agree with that. However, not with the -general- statement that Fuji is cheaper.
“Obviously if you don’t need low DOF and don’t care about maximum light gathering you can be happy with a lot of systems out there.”
That is precisely what I meant by the difficulty of comparing things. If you do need the 56mm 1.2, then it is entirely unfair to compare to other systems and say that Fuji is cheaper. Clearly, there is no comparison to be made, as there is no equivalent. The decision is clear.
To conclude, you say that “Fuji is easily good enough for a majority of photographers” compared to the a7 line, but apparently the Sony APS-C line is not good enough? I think it is easy to see how random is that, because of being entirely subjective. Even if we forget the competition I mentioned, I did show how m43 is cheaper. As to the a7 line, the difference in IQ is very relevant to warrant the increase in price. Actually, one can buy from BH an a7 with a 16-35 f4 for only 150US more than a X-T1 with the 10-24 f4. How’s that for a comparison? Unfair? If you need so much shallow DOF, than why do you even bother with Fuji, when you can get a Sony a7whatever wit a 35mm 1.4 or even adapt a Voigtlander 50mm 1.1 and kill everything out there for the price? It is you who is being random, I simply followed the most sensible way of comparing the -overall- value of two very different systems.
To post something slightly more constructive: You can already have the profiles applied automatically in Lightroom by making a Develop preset and setting that to be applied by default for a particular camera. If you want to change the profile in-camera all the time, that of course won’t come across, but if you wanted all photos to be Provia after they come in, that’s possible already with this technique.
Yes, I know and use that method but I do switch between 2-3 simulations quite regularly so it ends up being rather annoying. And it is just embarrassing for Adobe. Go through the hassle of creating the film simulations and forget the last line of code to truly make it user-friendly. Really?
I would rather Fuji ship a camera with the same tech but much higher build quality, than produce some “revolutionary” thing. I just want a Fuji that doesn’t feel like plastic second-rate materials.
Right there with you. I think the “feel” and viewfinder experience is what will stem the smartphone’s erosion of camera sales in the future. Who doesn’t love a big, bright, beautiful window onto the world?
Same guy as DISQUS ! Watch out for him !
Huh? I’m a real person!
Though i am “posting as a guest” through disqus. Isn’t that the default? Is that bad? (Believe it or not, i’m not on facebook.)
I’m excited.
Been waiting a long time but I just hope it doesn’t drag on past January or I may get restless. I have had the X-Pro1 since launch and in so many ways I love it, but that technology is in desperate need for an update.
I had to buy an X-T10 to tide me over in the absence of the new X-Pro. X-T10 is much more snappy, has WiFi and tilt screen is actually useful but the camera does not handle well in my opinion. Comes to something though that I felt I had to buy their cheapest camera to get the latest technology improvements when I own the supposed top of the line camera.
I think the specs sound about right on the XP2 though and if they all turn out to be true and work well then I will be more than happy. Hopefully Fuji have learnt something from their previous successes and failures.
I don’t think cameras have to be constantly reinvented, but they do need to be updated every 2 or 3 years at most. Things move quickly especially since mirrorless is relatively new and still in some ways finding it’s feet.
Seems like a nice time to launch a special product given the 5 year anniversary.
I’d really like to see that improved Lightroom support though. If that was timed well and Adobe quickly after launch supported the X-Pro2 with good X-Trans support it would be amazing. But Adobe have a load of other work to sort out the current Lightroom to make it work properly with any camera!
I could hope that there might be some sort of incentive for loyal customers to purchase this new camera too. But I think it is unlikely.
Roll on January π
My dream X Pro 2 would be a slightly larger version of the X100T but with in-body image stabilization and of course interchangeable lenses. Stick with what works.
Xpro2 Bayer non trans, ibis, autofocus just like panny gx8 = money from me
it’ll ‘slip’ by a few months, then a few more, and the camera will come out next fall.
Not really a “fault” but a carefull business decision. Sometimes waiting is a good thing. The word “old” is rather relative. The day after Sony introduces a sensor, its “old” in some respect right? Until some earth shattering invention comes along, the senson is rather current. The Exmor r sensors are actually a few years in existence.
Well…if it’s based on the sensor out of the NEX7 then it’s already 4 yrs old….so I guess it depends which Sony sensor they’re using.
Someone in Weibo posted “If FUJI does not use X-Trans anymore, will you still love FUJI?” and then “I’ve said it’s so clear”. So… Is this a good news?
Great time to release a new camera – two weeks after the big holiday shopping season ends. Hopefully its Dec. 15 instead.
What do we read into this?
β Two X-PRO2 version, one 24MP APS-C and one 25-27 MP ASP-X, compatible with XF/XC lenses (OS)
I seriously hope there are 2 variants of the x-pro 2.. I really couldn’t care if it were 24mp or not but please please i hope ones a monochrome version…
i also couldn’t 2 s**t’s about wifi,twin card slots,tilt screen or anything else people are asking for,I for one ask for just one thing from fuji..if the pro 2 is a upgraded sensor or a different sensor completely then fuji please please please talk to adobe so we can process the bloody raw files…from the day of launch…
That should be the most important thing of all…
At this point I am truly on the fence. I have seen a few images from the new Sony RX1r II and I am seriously considering making the jump….. If I had not completely fallen in love with the ergonomics and colors of Fuji….. Whats a guy to do? Both???? Come on Fuji. Tell us that the next X100 will have the XP2 guts …..Pleeeeeeease
For the price of the RX1II you can have a Fuji body and a couple of lenses. I had the original RX1 and while the lens was sharp, nothing beats the color of Fuji’s system. I would stick with Fuji if I were you.
Yep, it’s a dilemma. But one thing’s for sure, as awesome as that Zeiss is in front of that sensor, you’re gonna want interchangeable lenses eventually after having used the 35mm for a while. So beware, listen to your mother and don’t spend it all in one place. π
Nope… never a need a for interchangeable for the type of work i do. I’m just that good π
This is good news for Fuji and those who like their products. But on the other hand, a company like Sony has it made, don’t they. Or so we think. Our society is so materialistic and there are so many spec-philes out there, they just have to keep coming out with next gen this or that every other week and many seem to be in nirvana. Most of us to be truthful, are fighting this tendency. Apparently, from some of the vociferous comments that are commonplace, many are just pleased as punch to give in to this.
The average consumer out there doesn’t haunt the forums, doesn’t live or die by the specs. When a person becomes an enthusiast, he learns a lot of technical jargon and information. Taken in a relatively short period of time, this can lead to information overload and can become a wearisome treadmill. There is a better way. To wit, 1 Cor. 8:1,2 “Knowledge puffs up, but … 2 If anybody thinks he knows anything, he has not known yet as one needs to know”. This is a good life lesson generally speaking, anything on the forums being of little significance in the bigger picture.
Spec-philes tend to be intermediate users, but view themselves as advanced or expert. A real advanced user knows the value of specs, but also sees a bigger picture and knows how and when to look past the specs. And truthfully, he might not even consider himself to be so advanced. Sadly, he is in the minority. Mk 4:9 βLet him who has ears to hear, hear!β
Patrick, do you have some real news for us ?
No real news, sorry. Until the official X-Pro2 announcement, this will be just a 100% correct rumor π
Thanks Patrick, good to know the Pro2 announcement date π
IQ is fine with Fuji, maybe a stop better performace would be nice, but not essential. What Fuji really needs is DSLR like AF (like olympus) and maybe video similar to GH3/4. That is all that is NEEDED. Anything else is just for enthusiasts trying to boast ‘oh my camera does HDR’ – real photographers don’t care about gimmicks.
Looks like I just might pick up an Xpro1 then. The used prices are quite enticing and the touit lenses are to my liking. As far as this new camera- no OVF/EVF means forget about it. Come on, that’s one of the main draws here.