Mirrorlessrumors spotted a new Tamron patented describing the lens design of three new Full Frame lenses for the Sony E-mount system. The 28mm f/2.8, 50mm f/2.8 and 60mm f/2.8 lens. All do features in lens stabilization, 6 group and 7 lens design and a close focusing distance of 30cm.
At last we could get some affordable FE lenses. While those may not be very fast they would certainly be a nice light lens trio to carry in your bag. Just for fun let us know…
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Original Japanese Patent via Egami.
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I would buy a 50mm/f1.8 (or f2) right away, if it was cheap enough (150 Euros or so). Something like the canon “Nifty Fifty”. But f/2.8? I think I don’t need such a prime lens right now…
Who needs stabilization? It only adds weight and cost. All future A7x will have IBIS, so in lens stabilization is totally redundant.
A7 users, A7S users, A7R users, A6000 users, ….
Was this really a serious question??
The added weight and cost is not worth it just to cater to people with outdated technology. Laptops used to have CD/DVD drives and S-Video outputs. Those old and heavy options became redundant with newer technology, so the manufacturers removed them. Same thing with stabilization. IBIS made lens stabilization redundant. After all, the main reason for buying into mirrorless is size and weight savings.
Will an A5 without IBIS be “outdated technology”.
A5? You’re talking about a product that doesn’t even exist. I’m pretty sure all new mirrorless FF Alpha cameras will have IBIS.
That isn’t a given, especially is Sony prioritise a camera being small.
Even if all future cameras have IBIS, there are benefits to lens OSS in conjunction with IBIS, as MdB mentioned before.
I’m pretty sure that you are also talking about products that don’t even exists.
“people with outdated technology….”
I have no words. I give up.
Ironic that dual IS is more recent than normal IBIS, and yet you want just IBIS which is ‘outdated technology’.
What’s to say Sony won’t release a smaller FF A5 model without IBIS?
The A7 models have grown in size and weight, which is fine, but I still use my A7 with the 35/2.8, as it’s a very light general walkaround combo.
I hope Sony continues with smaller bodies options, as the demand is no doubt there.
Yes, A5 without IBIS and shutter (since sensor readout is quite quick now)
OSS is additive to IBIS and more effective. IBIS is good when lenses don’t have OSS. Also for video OSS is also still more effective.
1. OSS doesn’t dramatically increase the size and weight of the lens.
2. These are f/2.8, IS will help in low light with the slower aperture
3. lens IS will benefit IBIS, as you will have dual IS which is more effective.
Their video cameras doesn’t have IBIS yet.
Great news! I hope these lenses, especially the 28/2.8, will be small despite the stabilization. Otherwise the Sony 28/2.0 would be a better choice. But either way, these lenses mean more choices for us and this is always good. I just wondering why is Sigma so quiet at the FE front.
I dont get it. When all the current Sony FE products have IBIS, why even include the VC aspect? I think just about EVERYONE would rather have them be f/2 or lower. Instead they’ve bunged a VC unit inside… huh?! I have an A7R so it doesn’t have IBIS, but I’d still rather it not have VC to keep the cost lower or have a faster aperture lens!
To work with both Lens and in camera IS, not to forget that none of the professional video cameras got IBIS yet.
Well, I find that maybe the 50 and 60 are too close on focal length and the 28 really will have to be very small because the 28 2.0 is really small at 200g weight. The 50 and 60 could be good for street photography to keep the system small. But again, the 55 1.8 is not a very big lens (althought expensive).
I’d find more appealing right now an 85, 135 or something wider (around 21-24mm) even it had to be f. 2.8 or even 4.
I agree – it’d be much better to at some of the gaps plugged.
I dont think the FE 28mm is compact enough. To big, if its gonna be used as a flat lens
Yeah, I prefered the size of the 35 2.8 and that’s why I came with it in top of the 28mm and I would even like to have some lens cap in the mount. But I can understand that such lenses aren’t a priority in a high end product like FF mount
Agreed. The 28/2 is great, but definitely not compact. Minimum size for compact is the 35mm/2.8.
You meant…maximum? 😉
What? 🙂
lolol
Right, IMO it shouldn’t protrude any longer than the grip.
It should have been 90 for the third one.
Exactly. Why they don’t make a compact stabilized 85-90mm f2.8 is beyond me.
I think it’s imminent. Even Sony once made an Easy Choice option for A mount.
It should have been *insert your desired focal length*.
But I have to say, 50mm and 60mm, that’s a strange one. But then patents don’t mean both lenses will see the light of day.
Right, we just talking about patents of possible lenses.
I don’t see a point in both the 50 and 60mm lenses, although the VC and close focus distance are tempting even though I’ve the Zeiss 55.
The 60 is probably made with APS-C in mind.
Where are the long tele lenses for E-mount?
nothing photographic about with 200mm+, obivously 😉
well, for e mount anyways
Ah, I have a 100-300/3.5 waiting to be modified to E-mount, just don’t have the money for that now…
I wasn’t aware of the possibility of conversion to e-mount.
he’s joking
Yeah. Funny.
lol it’s a Leica projection lens, it’s more “adding” a mount than “converting”. The lens screws on to a Leica projector but other than that it has no mechanical interface.
Depends on the price and if the a6000 replacement has stabilizer or not. If it does, then I don’t really see myself getting these over the cheap sigma lenses. Now if only Sony would get off their damn asses an announce the A6100 (or whatever it will be named)….
Also, since these are FE lenses and all of the new FE cameras are stabilized, it might be better to skip the IS to keep size, price and weight down
None of the above – more than happy with the 55/1.8 and 35/2.8. 28mm isn’t my favourite focal length, but I’d have bought a 24/2.8…
28mm isn’t that exciting to me either. I might consider the 28/2.8 if it is much cheaper than the Sony 28/2 and performs well, but yes, a 24mm would have been much more interesting.
Agreed, and it seems odd to go against the only affordable Sony prime, which is also faster. That extra 4mm can make some far more interesting pictures.
While I had physics classes in college I am not really intimately familiar with optics. Are these patents that get mentioned here really innovative conceptually or are they just patenting every new lens because it has a few different parameters and combination of elements and coatings?
All lens manufacturers patent each and every lens they produce.
Yes.
They patent everything they can.
It says compact. But how compact. A compact 28 mm would be great. 150Grams and around 40cm long. But i would rather prefer a 42mm compact lens
Both! An 28mm and an 40mm (pancake-ish AND affordable) would be perfect.
In my perfect prime world. There would be 15, 21, 28, 40, 55/60 and a 85 mm.
All pancake lenses
So the first one would have to be a Hologon…
Why?
Voigtlander has almost all of those.
I don’t understand why they don’t design a 45mm f1.8 as they did for DSLRs, but then in E-mount. It can be made smaller, and it is a more ideal focal length compared to 50 and 60mm. Not only that, it is further apart from 55mm.
+1 for a 45mm or maybe even a 42mm
Because an f/1.8 would be bigger and more expensive? It’s obvious these lenses have their priority as size. Also Tamron doesn’t sell any 55mm FE lens, that’s Sony.
It will be slightly bigger, but it can be made smaller compared to a DSLR design. I get that people want smaller lenses, and I do too. But the Tamron 45mm f1.8 is for me a near ideal FL and aperture combination that I hoped that Tamron would also make something just like that for E-mount.
I never said Tamron was selling a 55mm lens, but it is something to take into consideration for Tamron.
40/1.8 wouldn’t be bigger than 60/2.8
I think the point of the 60mm design is the fact that it is reduced to a 6/6 design, not 6/7 as the 50mm. (The author seem to miss this..?)
But it’s interesting to see how the same basic design principle can be implemented in three different formulas!
If these are pancake size, these will sell like hotcakes! Pun intended.
hotcake sized ;P
A 60mm with close focus would be a nice addition to a 90/100mm Macro!
FE 28mm & 55mm are small enough for me already so no deal..
My guess is these lenses will be pretty low priced. And sharp too since they are very moderate designs.
Yeah, definitely a great thing for the whole system to get some affordable lenses as well.. Not everyone wants to pay for the Zeiss badged lenses. But I’d love to see these third party lens makers to try to fill other (than budget) holes in the lineup also.
Agreed. A few f1.8/f2 lower cost primes definitely won’t hurt.
I wouldn’t mind a few Sigma A series lenses for E mount if they cost around the same as their DSLR equivalents. 🙂
Will these have autofocus?
All Tamron lenses have AF.
Thanks
An f/2.8 lens with IS is still going to be smaller than an f/2 lens. VC won’t change the cost. Sony DSLR lenses lose VC and they still charge the same price. The VC technology already exists from the APS-C 18-200 emount lens, it will take little effort to implement it. Also Sony bodies with IBIS take advantage of super effective dual IS with IS in the lens, so having IS is a definite benefit. I guess if you don’t want IS that badly, feel free to spend more and buy the Zeiss 35/2.8.
Finally lenses designed for the landscape shooter! Not everyone is happy to have to lug around an f/1.4 lens just because they are the pro ones… (and in this regard kudos to Sony, that already gave us quite a few excellent & compact sized lenses!)
Exactly! Tired of this current trend for fast lenses.
Moreover do you use this F/1.4 pro ones at F/1.4 or more often slower than F/2.8 and F/4 😀 ?
Probably because the same people who buy current Sony FE want f/1.4 primes and people who buy cheap old A7 (which has no IBIS) want small cheap primes, not zei$$ ones.
The 28 is very similar to lenses found is smartphones, just bigger.
In smartphones they are even more curved.
Indeed, if I need a 28 most of the time I take out my S6E. It’s good enough in so many cases.
Well, they’d have to be pretty cheap. They are releasing the 35 and 45 1.8’s this month. They’re already getting rav reviews. At 599.00 I consider them be very affordable. In addition, they come with a six year warranty and are quite small.
These would have to be 400 or less. More like 300.00 or less if you ask me.
I prefer to just carry one proper 24-70 f/2.8 zoom. Canons mkii version I’m using is my most used lens and as sharp as any prime at f/2.8
I prefer to eat banans than carry one proper 24-70 f/2.8 zoom. Natural bananas I’m eating is the most tastiest and more edible than any f/2.8 zoom.
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Give this man a cookie~!!! A whole bag please~
I prefer to carry exactly what I need and zooms are difficult to cut. Especially f2.8 ones.
90% of the time the 24-70 F2.8 Zeiss and the 70-200G F2.8 is what I attached on my camera~
I’m waiting for them to unleash a 24-70mm 1.8 Zeiss.
I don’ t quite undestand why they are making both a 50mm AND a 60mm. It seems like an awfully similar focal length.
These are patents. They’ll probably just end up making one.
Them make the 60mm
Someone dropped a box of the 60mm’s and it pushed the front lenses in.
28, 50, 60, and we already have the fe28 and fe55, they should provide the ultra wide and the telephoto
So, do these really need to exist? I hear you on the cost
but really Tamron has gotten to be right up there with that on newer released
lenses. I own the 18-200mm Tamron and bought it used but at the time it was
like $20 cheaper than the Sony. All the reviews recommended getting the Sony
but hey who says I listen to reviews :-S Right now at B&H there is $9
difference between them except the Sony does not feel like there is grit in the
zoom barrel nor is it inconsistent on the pressure you need to apply to zoom.
Second thought, why would you buy the 28mm Tamron when you
can buy the little Sony 28 f/2 for $448? That is an awesome little lens! Do you
really think the Tamron will be better or cheaper? Now about the 50mm, seriously
buy the Sony 55mm f/1.8 as that lens is AWSOME! Every FE mount owner should buy
this lens I never leave it at home it is always in the bag and it is the
sharpest lens I have ever seen. As far as the 60mm, why? Again get the 55mm in
my opinion… I guess I just see what these are going to bring to the party but I
will be prepared to be amazed.
A 28 and 50mm for less than $300 would stop the complains about the lack of affordable lenses.
The Sony 28/2 and 55/1.8 while good, are not compact. They are quite long and no where near pancake size.
These Tamrons are more likely to compete with the more compact Sony 35/2.8, which is priced at $700. If they are similar in size or even smaller, Tamron can easily price these under $700 and with VR as a bonus. There’s definitely a room for these lenses to exist.
Yeah, that seems very plausible. These lenses will be very small and cheap. Not entirely my cup of tea, but I do know there are people who wants them that way. Sure, I would like small and cheap lenses too, but that normally involves too many compromises in build, speed and performance.
Would not be the first time I missed something but where do you see these are Pancake size?
If you go egami page, you’ll see more complete images (Rumors admins clipped them) and backfocus distances.
or you can go to japanese site
Patent & Utility Model Number Search
and read whole patents
Why can’t the Tamron be better? Tamron has recently put out some very sharp lenses on F mount and EF mount, I’d love to see them do the same on FE.
Plus, this 28/2.8 is promising ultra compactness and VR, neither of which the Sony offers and some of us still have non-ibis bodies.
I undertand that they are making the easier and the one that could sell much easier, but some telephoto primes wouldn’t be bad and they would be the only option…
It’s starting to get a bit crowded in the normal range.
How about a really compact 90/2.8? Like the Contax G. Maybe they just don’t make them like that anymore.
The whole Contax G line-up would destroy on A7 series, even the zooms.
Only achievable through CAD.
The 35 1.8 won’t have vc on Sony mount and will keep the same price. Weight will get lower maybe, but not by much.
he’s talking about lenses for mirrorless, not SLRs
But the same people who are demanding that are the same ones that will be flaming Tamron cuz the lens are not sharp like the expensive ones.
eeek, no. affordable means like canon’s 35/2 and 50/1.8 and 40/2.8 xD
or yongnuo xD
I hope that Youngnuo isn’t dumb enough to pass the oportunity to make their clones for e-mount.
I took a dive into the patent and found lengths of lenses, here are distances from anterior surface to E-mount flange (that is, after subtracting 18 mm):
26, 31 and 33 mm respectively (add a few mm for filter).
Note that Sigma 60/2.8 DN is LONGER (56 mm) than that the 60 in the patent
They might even be attractive for aps-c users.
well, that would be impressive.
Are there any non-Hologon pancake 15s?
I don’t think videographer would slap a $200 tiny prime on a $9000 huge camera .
We want SIGMA Art lenses with FE mount.
Tamron is like Kangol. Good to have it in your wardrobe but you can’t wear it cuz it’s too old and ugly.
Funny you should say that. There new SP line looks EXACTLY like the Sigma Art series.
Lol. I have a furry red one in my closet right now, next to my flava-flav clock-necklace
F2.8 are reserved for fast zoom lenses. Prime should go with wider aperture. Unless…
as easy as that!
I wonder what advantages there would be to designing- say- a 35 or 50mm F4. If that would provide them the ability to give it unheard of sharpness….. any optical advantage there and three stops down count me in.
Release the SP180 F2.8 Macro already~!!! 90mm macro is not cool on a FF
they will able to sell exactly two such lenses, one for you and one for barry
but it makes a nice portrait lens~ but I bet Barry wants more mms
Barry’s dream lens is a 150-1800/4-16. Who cares that it’s slow as a snail, as long as it has all those mms
I know. But Voigtlander is manuel focus. I could live with manuell focus on 15 and 21mm. But on 28mm. I need autofocus
You mean destroy as good? I’ve read quite a bit on those G lenses. I’m really tempted to pick a few up.
Yup.
Contax/Kyocera would make a ton of money if they remade them for the e-mount.
I’d take a 135mm 3.5 from Tamron. Laugh all you want but it be pretty dang small and plenty of speed for most applications. I’d imagine when Sony/Zeiss release their 135 it’ll be a 2.8.
I wonder how well a Minolta 250mm 5.6 would sell this days.
How’s about a 28-50mm 1.8. Three primes in one- now that would sell.
I don’t quite get what you’re saying but…there are no “zooms”, there’s a single slow and expensive normal zoom.
I’m hesitant to get the 90/2.8 only because I’d have to buy a separate AF adapter ring just for that lens, all in all it’s a bad deal. The Biogon doesn’t work with digital, I’m eyeing that ZM 35/1.4 (I’ll need the sensor stack modification), and I don’t need another normal lens, so the only one I’ll potentially need is the 90/2.8, because it’s so compact.
I never realized how different these designs are from f/1.8-like lenses. Interesting.
And 10x more.
There are people like me who still have the original A7.
I wish the Sony & Zeiss Primes had OSS too.
anybody else sick of all these mirrorless lenses with slow-ass apertures? (F2.8 isn’t fast for a prime)
If you wanna keep size down stick to APS-C, full frame mirrorless has such potential given they’re normally more accurate than DSLRs when focussing at F1.2/F1.4 etc, and yet they dont have any fast native lenses to support it…
if you want 1.2 or 1.4 you’re stuck with DSLRs which are notorious for their inaccuracies (unless you adapt to A7R II but it’s still non-native)
The 50/2.8 is still smaller than equivalent Sony aps-c lens 35/1.8
The only thing that means bigger size for a lens, is the autofocus system. Its no problem making quality glass at f.1,1 at 50mm lens. A lens that is under 6 cm long. But its missing the autofocus system
Your post makes no sense. There are plenty of fast FE primes: 25/2, 28/2, 35/1.4, 55/1.8 and 85/1.8. However there is only 1 compact FE prime: 35/2.8. Sony definitely needs more of the latter, and Tamron is able to fill this hole.
I didn’t know that existed. Now I have to buy it.