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What you see here is the first image of the new Titanium [shoplink 53253 ebay]E-M5II[/shoplink] ! It will be announced on Tuesday (May 12 at 5-6 am London time). It will be announced along the 7-14mm f/2.8 and 8mm f/1.8 PRO lenses. All stuff is expected to ship in late June.
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96 Responses
I prefer the look on the black and silver EM5II.
But cool for these lenses coming soon. My wallet is ready.
No matter how the EM5 2 dress , it still carrying that ageing sensor .
No point put money on a 2012 sensor camera while new sensor camera is around the corner .
Better save for something that worth to pay .
Sensor still works pretty well.
Is not about if a sensor is working or not but
Is about Imaging improvements that deserve to be proved after years of wait .
The EM5 2 is such a failure in this spec therefore it don’t worth of upgrading /
purchase .
I partly agree… then again neither Nikon nor Canon have made any real improvements either in the past few years. The 5D stayed basically the same for years and now the D800/810 etc are pretty much the same as when released part for some small things. Same sensor. Same goes for the D4, same sensor, small improvements. Same thing as with the Em5 Mkii.
Not saying either is better or worse but it feels as if though bashing the smaller sensor format is easier even though neither manufacturer have made any real progress. The A7’s for example has worse image quality then the same megapixel counterparts in the Nikon and Canon stables… enough said.
It still takes great images, and has a lot of improvements over e-m5: High res mode (GREAT for product photography. Its not a gimmick, just a specialised feature), faster mechanical shutter speed, electronic silent shutter, bild in wi-fi, tethering from ipad/iphon or computer… Improvement is not just about the sensor, and I am so tired of hearing this mantra over and over. Now camera sensors are so good that the improvement will probably be evolutionary for the near future. And if you can not take great images with an e-m5 you can not take great images with any camera (Yes, I understand that it would look good on paper with upgraded sensor but for most applications it does not matter). Somehow everybody has forgotten that when we used to shoot film, we hade the same film for years and years, and what improved was optics and technical things like light teetering and so on. The “sensor” (fil) stayed the same and that was ok. Stop with the crazy GAS, please.
I’m sorry but he’s true. M43 is a dog at ISO 1600 or more (noise and dynamic are terribles). I own an GX7 with Voigtlander 17.5mm and before i got an GF1. i loved the gap but seriously guys, Sony and Fujifilm did an amazing job with their sensors.
I use a lot of different cameras, but I still shoot with OM-D cams such as the E-M5 II and E-M1 in situations that I’d normally get hassled if I were using a much larger camera such as my A7II or 5D Mark III. I’ve noticed that the retro design often leads people to assume its a film camera so long as I use the viewfinder which also helps make me appear less intrusive.
I agree that they should consider a newer sensor if they want to grow future interest in their products. It’s understandable that newer photographers would glaze over their “dated” specifications, but people who know the system well may be more lenient but I can’t imagine for how long.
What a way to stimulate sales.
M43 the toy camera for kids.
Wow… such a smart comment… prepare yourself to receive the Nobel prize…
He’s really pushing the limits of intelligent commentary here. His opinion is not only strong, but also backed by good arguments and well-constructed criticism. In a debate, he would crush all opponents with his superior intellect and the research to back his claims. A true god among men, only outshined by the thick layers of multiple sarcasm in this comment I have made.
IMHO, the OM-D series has been superseded by the A7-series in terms of IQ inside roughly this form factor. Olympus took the lead with the original OM-D, and a few years later Fuji and Sony copied the concept. Today, the OM-D cameras are just not that tempting anymore compared to what Sony/Zeiss have on offer.
Olympus needs to either come up with a radical new sensor technology, or, like Panasonic, start focusing on specialist products like the GH4, GM5, etc… Instead, Olympus is focusing on gimmicks like the multi-shot hi-res, or this titanium skin.
Personally, and I think many agree, I don’t care about gimmicks. And my Olympus cameras are collecting dust now that I have an A7, A7II and GM5. The IQ cannot match the A7-series. And the GM5 is just way more practical as an ultra-compact system.
Enjoy your Sony and all its wonderful native lenses then. Oh wait…
Some people don’t need 30 lenses to take photos. And if you decide to go MF, then…
Th OM-D wasn’t much of a “concept”, just a very capable and well-rounded camera with a long-awaited jump in sensor technology. At that time, I was really impressed and hesitating between it, Sony and Fuji; however, given the 3-4 year period in which Olympus was just releasing the same camera and sensor over and over again, I decided against getting it. And, of course, Olympus is now back to its old self. Mind you, every company hast its issues…
Its still a GREAT camera. I use mine every day. …and I can fit ten excellent lenses in one camera bag and have an incredibly light. FULL kit. From long tele, to macro to fisheye. If is gets better, which it will, that is great ..but it is already good enough and nothing to complain about…Perhaps the wait is so long because the next leap in sensor technology with be great and it is taking a long, expensive time for Olympus to implement. Right? We could be surprised.
I have been shooting for years….and the E-M1 just has it all …and it just feels so fluid and right in my hands with a diverse selection of lenses. Great system.
Stop praising that ageing sensor camera would be smart .
Otherwise Oly will keep delivering that again & again like what they did
in the EP1 to EP3 era .
How long have you been complaining about old sensors? How old is a sensor anyway before it’s old enough to be put inside a camera? I’ll ask for a new sensor when I know a significantly better one exists.
How old is Tri X ??? Still works for me. If you, or anybody else, cannot achieve good results with the OMD range of cameras ,it says more about your failings than those of Olympus.
Can’t agree more. Yun’s complaint is actually fueled by his silly hatred. He failed to hide that, too.
Of course, it is a great camera, nobody said otherwise. But then an a900 is also great camera and works fine too. A D700 too. Even an R-D1. Some people may be happy with using the same camera for years and years. But when Olympus is using the same sensor in 2016 and other brands are coming with more and better gear, how many will be happy? To each their own, but I wouldn’t be.
Exactly .
Well Said .
What do you own that you are so happy with and that is better in all ways than all that you have mentioned? Or do you just like to complain and not make images?
You are slowly getting more and more personal. I believe I explained my view rather clearly, I’ll leave it at that.
What camera do you own? You are on a MFT site saying that the cameras are lacking…yet you your comments come from non-existent place of camera-perfect-land. What camera(s) do you own. Fair question.
I agree that you have some valid points…but you are on an MFT site so we deserve that info as you are criticizing the equipment that most of us that come her use.
You sound like your pride is tightly related to your camera gear. You do not deserve anything from me and this forum is open to everyone.
Still, I will answer. I’ve used the first om-d extensively, as well as the e-p5. I also played with an e-m1 for a couple of weeks. I’ve also used Panasonic gear.
Say, why did you buy the e-m1? According to your logic, an e-p1 would work just fine. Or, can’t you take good pictures with it? See how this sounds?
Precisely because cameras are so good nowadays, we choose them over each other based on rather small differences. I am happy to pay every two years to get a jump in DR or some new feature. Just thanks to the better DR I am taking my tripod less often, because I can replace bracketing with pushing and pulling the raw file around. I simply expect companies (especially ones as innovative as Olympus) to push the envelope somewhat more regularly than every four years. And this has nothing to see with my or your ability to take good photos, but with convenience.
Perhaps you’d like to tell us about all the ‘improved’ sensors that exist out there bearing in mind that m43 will always have a disadvantage over the equivalent APSC sensor due to the smaller imaging area, unless you can circumvent the laws of physics
Reduce the best APSC Sony sensors down to m43 size and you get almost identical performance (24mp -> 16mp, 3/4 stop noise difference, small difference in DR )
The E-M5 mk2 sensor is cutting edge. It is the same sensor that is in the Nikon D5300, cut down to m43 size. Look at the DPReview measurements which basically say it matches that Nikon sensor less the inevitable poorer performance due to the smalller imaging area (2/3 to 3/4 stop more noise).
When Sony release the 20mp sensor and it is engineered into the Olympus cameras then we may get a small improvement but at the moment there is no better sensor available (apart from maybe the new Samsung sensor)
You are missing the point, same as Bob B. It is not just about the sensor. As to “cutting edge”, maybe when it comes to the m43 offerings. More than two years ago, when I was choosing between the NEX-7, the E-M5 and the X-E1, the Sony already had a better DR. Marginal, but it was there. In any case, I am merely discussing the overall direction Olympus is taking and what it means in the current market, yet for some reason we are suddenly talking about whether the new OM-D is crap and who takes what photos.
Nice that you fail to mention the huge lenses that all FF cameras need. Attach a fast lens to an A7 and there goes the advantage of the smaller body. WIth M43 you have bodies from the size of the GH4 to the tiny GM1. All the lenses are much smaller compared to the FF version. Show me any FF lens and I’ll show you an equivalent m43 lens that a fraction of the size and weight. M43 has never been able to match the IQ of FF at higher ISO. It about having pretty damn good IQ in a small package that’s discreet and easy to carry.
You are obviously correct, but are missing some points. While before it was a 1kg DSLR vs a small E-P5, now the differences are minimal. Lenses are a bit of a different story, of course, but you do have the choice for smaller lenses; and depending on what you want to achieve, an equivalent lens doesn’t have a single definition. Another issue is pricing, as m43 is getting more and more expensive, at least in terms of bodies and new lenses.
While it would be foolish to deny the many advantages of the m43 system, the gap is significantly narrower today, to the point that it is no more APS-C vs m43 (as it was until 2011), but FF vs m43. Simply put, m43 is losing serious ground on pricing, features and IQ and not because of the smaller sensor, but because of weird management. Their only saving grace is that Sony’s management isn’t much better.
I hope the ‘more and more expensive’ part of your story is just because they have been focusing on getting their pro line out.
Very possible. Although there are some lenses like the 12mm 2.0 which are clearly very pricey. I wouldn’t call them overpriced, but when you compare between systems, m43 doesn’t look cheap. Alone, that wouldn’t be problem.
You can’t say they’re not into new developments. I would actually think the pricy aspect could be the main problem. Not sure a problem for who.
I have no experience with this line, so I am not commenting on it specifically. I tried the E-PL2 and 3 and was unimpressed. I sold off the E-PL2 and 3 after using the Nikon V1. Then, the V1 got relegated because of the Sony A6000. I just wonder how many people waded into the Olympus mirrorless waters early on and were turned off by Olympus, and how many skipped it entirely for the Nikon and Sony models. As a current outsider, it is hard for me to find the advantage of this Olympus line over others. Olympus’ biggest competitor looks to be Fuji because of lenses, style and age of sensor.
Don’t forget, there’s Panasonic.
When I was considering M4/3, after rejecting the way too big D7000, the cameras on my list were the EP2 and GF1. NEX was there, too, but the lenses weren’t.
Loved the GF1, not the LVF1.
Loved the Oly EVF 2, did NOT like the camera.
I tried a GH2 I was sold. Good ergonomics, external controls, integrated EVF, articulated LCD and great video, all in a not-too-big package. It’s still one of the best-ever M4/3 cameras. Too bad Panny decided to go OBESE with the GH3/4.
If it weren’t for the Olympus UI and function follows form design sensibility and lack of a built-in EVF, I might have gone with one. I’m glad I didn’t
I did recommend the Panny GH4 to someone who wanted a camera first for video and second for stills. He really likes it. The bigger body works well for the video production he is doing.
Sony FE lenses are quite small actually. Even Sony A-Mount lenses are quite compact.
You say:
“Show me any FF lens and I’ll show you an equivalent m43 lens that a fraction
of the size and weight”
You know that equivalence (crop factor) doesn’t apply only to focal length but also to aperture for the depth of field?
You should take this into account before judging the size of the lenses.
It is also important to know if manufacturers priority is lens compactness or optical quality.
High quality prime lenses are usually quite big. For example, compare the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 A with the other 50mm f/1.4 lenses. It is much bigger.
http://j.mp/1Rs8F9f
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/2666934640/what-is-equivalence-and-why-should-i-care
Thats not necessarily a fair comparison, given that the A7ii is a full frame camera with far more expensive lenses (and a much smaller selection currently), and a 50% higher pricetag. That being said, while the OM-D series are amazing cameras, I don’t think that they can justify the relatively high price of the e-m5ii. It should be closer to $800-900 range as it is more comparable with the a77ii, and whatever will supersede the a6000 (presumably with ibis). MFT and full frame both have their places, but at 1/4 the size of a FF sensor, MFT sensor IQ competes more closely with aps-c and should be priced accordingly.
“Olympus is focusing on gimmicks”
Yeah…
Olympus is well known for the excellent built quality of their products.
They produce weather sealed and freezeproof bodies and lenses.
Sony A7 series don’t offer the same quality. Neither do Panasonic.
Then Olympus IBIS is the best on the market.
Olympus mirrorless AF system is better than that of A7 series.
M4/3 lenses are very good and compact, and some old Olympus 4/3 lenses are amazing.
Olympus is also improving video quality, so I don’t see them in trouble.
The advantages of FF cameras are well known, but not everyone needs very shallow
depth of field and the best sensor performance available.
Sounds like brand fidelity/bashing mascarading as rational market analysis.
If you’re willing to pay $1000-$1300 for every good lens for FE system and dont mind the bulk, then why not. Sony is happy for every cash cow who desperately thinks that w/o FF you’re unable to take good picture(s).
Well said. PRO pixel peepers tend to miss the point.
A7 series is not ‘in this form factor’, equivalent focal length/speed lenses are very significantly larger on the A7 series, which is one reason, as well as lens range, I went with Olympus. And very happy I am too. As a former FF Nikon and Canon user, the E-M1 is the best *all round* camera system I’ve ever used (when taking account of IQ, lens range, ergonomics and responsiveness, weight and size).
I look forward to the next few of generations of 4:3 sensors matching what FF can achieve today in terms of dynamic range and noise, and I’ll be even more thrilled.
More olympus pigment marketing.
So does this mean that there is no E-M1 limited edition?…that the original rumor was a mistake and it was for the E-M5ii and not the E-M1?
It would be great if Oly gave us a carbon fiber E-M1 to go with the titanium E-M5ii.
My two favorite materials! LOL!
I assumed that the EM1 limited edition rumor was true since I just bought an EM1 . . . but I guess not! Perhaps the EM2 will be made of Ti.
I can barely contain my excitement!
What is it for you…the f/1.8 fisheye?
Are they really going to release both lenses around the same time? It sounds unlikely, but I’d like to be wrong.
Then get done with the 300 f4 prime just so the whiners will shut up.
And finally the f1.0 primes can follow.
I am sure people can still think of something else to whine about once the f/1.0 primes have been delivered.
If anybody here with metallurgic knowledge? Here is my question.
Magnesium bodies of most OM-D cameras are made by tixotropic moulding of Magnesium.
Is such precise moulding of Titanium possible at all? Or is it made by machining a Titanium block? Machining (and Titanium) should definitely be more expensive, but I don’t know about weight, or benefits in mechanical properties of such a camera.
Sorry for interrupting your sensor bashing session…
You do understand it’s just the color, right? Paint?
Or, is this just a joke/sarcasm? If so, good one!
Unfortunately for him, he was serious….
The OM-3 and OM-4 were sold with Titanium bodies… why is it such a stretch that someone would ask such a question? Or should I take your Grumpy-Old-Man post as sarcasm? Hope you have a nice day.
What are you talking about, granny?
What you just said is not true…
Here is some info for you, to broaden your horizons. Olympus did produce Titanium cameras. But that was probably before you were born. And yes, I really was thinking this new cam will have Titanium body.
https://camerajunky.wordpress.com/2012/06/19/olympus-om-4-ti-black/
I thought you are bashing only sensors here. Boy was I wrong…
Here is some more for you. But you can safely skip it..
“I was born to join in love, not hate – that is my nature.”
― Sophocles, Antigone
Inaccurate info.
Read this:
“In 1986, a special ultra-durable version of the OM-4 with champagne-colored titanium
top and bottom plates, upgraded electronic circuitry and improved
weatherproofing, called the OM-4Ti (OM-4T in the USA), was released”
You are right only about one thing, wise Yeti, in 1986 I wasn’t born yet…
Mmm sorry to jump into your conversation, but as it is written it means (to me) that the titanium top and bottom plates were champagne colored.
As it’s my titaniun Nikon 35ti: titanium body, with a different color than that shown on this em5II.
For the record, I think that Olympus just paint a magnesium body, and it’s not going to use titanium on this SE.
Not “full” titanium body, only top and bottom plates…. That’s the point.
There is a HUGE difference.
And how huge is that difference? Does it matter at all if the whole body or just top and bottom are made of titanium? Not for me, not for close to 100% of the customers. For you?
You really couldn’t write a more useless comment…
It’s just a question, the answer I am waiting for is what really matters.
Then keep waiting…..
Still no answer? Then I think we can draw the conclusion that huge difference you were talking about is just the color.
LOL
You were still waiting….
You aren’t very smart, are you?
Maybe that answer could make me smarter.
I doubt it… It requires a miracle to make you smarter….
A miracle or your answer, you might think there’s another huge difference, but probably it’s not. Whatever it takes, fine with me.
Wikipedia is not the best source. There are reasons it was not allowed to be cited for school papers, mostly because anyone could write and edit articles. According to Olympus, “A later enhanced version, the OM-4Ti, featured a titanium body and enhanced functions.” You can find it here, http://www.olympus-global.com/en/corc/history/camera/om/#04. I would think that Olympus knows what they produced.
It is only a brief reference… They couldn’t write: “…the OM-4Ti featured a titanium top and bottom plates…”
It is easier and quicker to simply say “titanium body”.
It is just a brief reference… They couldn’t write: “…the OM-4Ti featured titanium top and bottom plates…”
It is easier and quicker to simply say “titanium body”…
The ‘body’ wasn’t made of Ti, only the top and bottom plates. The motherboard was also of an upgraded design because the stock OM-4 circuit had a fatal flaw whereby after a brief time, the standby current drain jumped dramatically and they would then chew through batteries if they were left in the camera.
You know nothing. My E-M1 is made of gold and titanium alloy…
You mean “thixotropic.” The only thing titanium-colored would be the top and bottom bottom plate, not the body. The body could probably made out of titanium by sintering, but without any advantage over a magnesium body and only at vastly higher cost. When sintering it is also possible to infuse one alloy with another superficially, so one could probably sinter a top and bottom plate that is infused wit titanium for a titanium look.
Well firstly, it’s just anodised (or maybe ceramic coated, not 100% sure) a titanium colour. As for making an ACTUAL titanium casing today, you’d have three options. You can SLS (laser sinter) it (which you probably wouldn’t do because it’s not made for mass production). You can CNC machine it from a block (most likely), and you can cast it.
They would never bother with a titanium body these days because it has no advantages over the current cast magnesium bodies.
You should ask Apple how much they enjoyed their experience with Titanium in the early models of the PowerBook G4 series.
My Nikon 35ti has a titanium body, and its color looks different.. (anyway, I prefer the silver version of em5)
It’s better to announce 4k-anium E-M5III or E-M1II this year…
Yeah…. Olympus 4K output would look like Panasonic’s 1080p….
It’s so similar to what FujiFilm did with the X-T1 and Pentax did with the limited edition K-3/battery grip set.
I suppose it helps the personal image quality, even though it doesn’t help the photographic image quality.
You are utterly wrong.
It is scientifically proven that titanium color does improve DR and noise by 1 full stop and improves shutter lag and continuous shooting as well.
I forgot to mention the improvements in battery life and durability….
Oh, I’m thankful that there are people such as you to help me understand my mistakes.
I prefer a E-M5 II with solar panels body…
Nah… It would be much better an Adamantium E-M5II…
The Titanium paint is a reference to the paint of the OM-3Ti, which had a special grey coloured paint that was more durable and scratch resistant than the black paint of the OM-4Ti (which also came in champagne colour). I wonder if the E-M5II Titanium paint is more durable or merely cosmetic.
If it’s solid titanium it in fact scratches quite easily but looks great.
Can we plz skip these refresher cameras n move on to giving us the real e-m1 II already?
E-M1 II should be annunced next year. At Photokina more likely.
I don’t care when EM1 2 will be announce .
No new sensor better shut down the production !
For God’s sake,
STAY CALM AND READ THIS
http://www.43rumors.com/ft3-some-more-tidbits-about-the-geomembrane-olympus-sensor/
Please.Just.Stop.Saying.The.Same.Thing.Over.And.Over.And.Over.. We get that you think that Olympus should file for bankruptcy if they do not add a new sensor…
But Olympus doesn’t care about you. 🙂
What if em1 2 still with that ageing 16 MP sensor & this time with refinement ?
You will never sure what Oly do .