The difference between the RX1 and the new RX1R is just that the R version has no Anti Aliasing filter. But the differences between the RX100 and the RX100M2 are a bit more…”consistent”. The sensor is Exmor R (20mp) but the lens is exactly the same from the current RX100. And these are the other new RX100MKII features:
1. it has wifi module 802.11b/g/n
2. it has NFC module
3. Multi interface shoe
4. mini-HDMI move from bottom next to Micro-USB
5. battery life get a little boost from 330 to 350
6. ISO start from 100
7. support EVF
8. zoom ring can be set to smooth or click
9. can choose to disable movie button
10. WB bracket
11. battery recharge time is significantly longer (0.5a vs 1.5a)
12. weight increase from 240g to 281g(w/card and battery)
13. Tilt screen
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Sony put an exposure compensation dial on the HX50, and not on the RX100MK2… Which one is the “expert” P&S ?
That’s a weird decision. I’d say the list of updates is still nice though. Especially the tilting screen. ISO 100 is nice too but since it will only be simulated low ISO (same sensor), I would have preferred built in ND.
Yes, exactly. The choices they make are ridiculous. It appears to be just random design decisions at work, instead of a logical and obvious approach. Your top enthusiast camera shouldn’t be the one with a smooth “style” type design with no controls or grip. In that regard they’re going after the canon s-series and Leica look. So sick of this “simplistic” and minimalist nonsense prevalent everywhere now. I blame it all on apple.
…and so will the sony rx100mkll only support the rx1 evf instead of the nex evf which is considerably cheaper….just like the hx50v ?
NEX EVF requires Smart Accessory Port that is going to be phased out as soon as the 5-series adopt the Multi-interface Hotshoe, so it’s a wise decision that Sony is going to put the Multi-interface Hotshoe as standard on all of their cameras.
What would you pick-up? The Smart Accessory Port that only accepts NEX-series accessories or the new Multi-Interface Hotshoe that is going to accept a whole new range of accesories as time progresses and be backward compatible with old accesories?
No need for the hotshoe. The Multi-interface USB port will do.
Two new Cybershots, no A-mounts. I guess the CEO’s statement that Sony would not “release” new cameras until substantial improvements in technology are applied didn’t hold true after all. Many released models could have the AA filter removed or placing new hotshots, right? Let’s hear it fanboys.
You just given the hint right away – no A mount announcement yet. They are working on something big,like removing the mirror big.
Mirror removal is trivia, just another step in lowering the cameras to P&S
Of course. A P&S camera with a big sensor, fast AF (Sony claims anyway), stellar IQ and a large EVF. Wait how many P&S cameras have all that ? 😛
Typical nonsensical Walt logics.
haha, no mirror big = E-mount! Yeah they dont know how to do that…
AF competitive with SLT/DSLR, no large sensor mirrorless camera has managed that, NEX included. That’s big.
Try again.
Too bad all these new features add 20% more weight. The ND filter was the most obvious feature that was missing with the RX100. I guess this can only be added with a lens redesign.
It seems there are addition of several feats I just hoped they would improve the aperture at the tele end. So unless you are big fan of connectivity and accessories, buying the RX100 when the price goes down is much more interesting deal.
No ‘hominy’ jpeg engine either, thats a show stopper for me.
Nothing to write home about.
It seems it’s not the same sensor. The MK2 seems to have an exmor R.
the rx100 has a Exmor R….so the mkII having an are is the same. They are both exmor r. Its the largest exmor R to date….DPR said a little snippit about it it when the rx100 was released.
I think it is not.
In the RX100 manual, it is written exmor.
On the Sony US site, it is also just an exmor.
On Imaging Resource, they said : “Note that it’s not a backside-illuminated design; according to Sony, it’s large enough that a standard sensor structure suffices”, so the point seems to have being discussed with Sony, and confirm it is not BSI.
I think you are correct. Nowhere I can see in the RX100 specs that it has the R type Exmor sensor. If the new RX100mkII comes with one, it may provide even better low-light performance than the original.
On Sony France website, it is written ”CMOS Exmor R 20,2 mégapixels de type 1.0” as well as just ”CMOS Exmor” (for the RX100).
Info on Sony france changes from one line to an other. I think it is a mistake.
When I read “weight increase..” I feel relieve. No reason to upgrade.
Hotshoe not needed for a super p&s camera. Wifi? well, it’s awesome,
but already got eye-fi. Tilt screen? for an extra 40g and thickness? nope.
Exactly my thought. Let PnS do PnS thing. I think this is Sony answer to the “I want hot shoe and tilt screen” crowd. I hope they don’t discontinue the mark 1.
I agree ihur.
I wanted it to get a different lens. The current lens is OK…but a 26-100 or something would have been better. Also a F2-F3.5 would have been nice.
I am amazed at the verdict that the current lens is “OK”.
Largest sensor in a camera in this size with a 28mm lens at 1.8! and it is sharp wide open!! I mean, what else do you want?!?! 21-100mm 1.4 constant?
no…no….i said F2-3.5 26-100…. a 21-100 1.4 is kind of unrealistic….
But that 1/3 of a stop is nice to have when available. MMmmm
An f2-3.5 lens would have absolutely destroyed the size advantage of the RX100. The RX100 sells because of high IQ in a small package. If the lens was much faster the size of the camera would have increased exponentially.
Please be aware that the total package may be a full stop faster due to the sensor. I think Sony left the lens because they could gain in other areas without the size increase.
With all the top notch gadgedtry in this camera i would have thought touchscreen would be easy. But i don’t know which tradeoffs there are when touch is added. In GPS devices the screens become less bright, for instance.
11. battery recharge time is significantly longer (0.5a vs 1.5a)
wrong, it should say:
11. battery recharge time is significantly shorter (0.5A vs 1.5A)
Ampere is charging current! Three times the charging current results in a three times faster charging and therefore in a three times shorter recharge time!
The 0.5 A charging current is something what bugs me with my NEX6… It takes forever to charge.
Seems like a worthy successor. Why change a running system?
I read that sentence as 0.5A in the new model (slower charge), 1.5A in the old model (faster charge).
That matches the numbers in the current RX100 instruction manual:
“AC Adaptor: […]
Output voltage: DC 5 V, 1 500 mA”
[…]
Rechargeable battery pack NP-BX1: […]
Maximum charge current: 1.89 A”
So it could indeed be a move in the wrong direction.
OP – are you able to confirm either way?
if there’s no difference with the sensor or lens I think I’ll buy the Rx100 when the price drops. The Rx100 looks much more balance and harmonized than this one
Fantastic!
I know the mk2 is not right for some, but it’s exactly what I wanted. Well, except for a wider end, but it’s still good.
Will buy the mk2 and evf!
From what I can find, the RX100 has a normal exmor chip. The R version should be about one stop faster.
I like what I’m seeing… it’s just my opinion, but the quality is getting so good that camera geeks such as myself find it hard to rationalize the benefits of multiple camera/lens/flash combos.
Here’s a quick look at what I started out with, sold off & eventually moved on to:
1) Kodak film
2) Pentax film
3) Sony Mavica 3.3 mp
4) Sony Alpha 100, two cheap lenses & one flash
5) Two Canon 5DII’s, 16-35 2.8L, 24-70 2.8L, 70-200 2.8L, 100 2.8L, 85 1.2L
6) Six Elinchrom 500 watt monos with reflectors, grids, umbrellas, soft boxes & 7ft. Octo
7) Nex 7, one Sony 18-200 lens & two 2.8 Sigma lens
When step 8 comes, guess what it will be… the current RX100.
Here’s the best part: My Nex 7 & Sigma lenses perform noticeably better than those Canon DSLR’s & L glass.
As for the this little RX100, it does everything my Nex 7 does with aplomb, albeit with the photo quality of the lesser 5DIII.
In what sense your NEX set up performs better that the 5D set up? Really curious. Smaller for sure. Better performance – very doubtful. Maybe your expectation changes or you lack the skill?
Usable DR, for one.
@Zohee35
The RX100 DR is only higher than the 5DMK3 under 200ISO where the 5DmkIII is already at 11.74 so it is a non issue.Above 200ISO the 5D is well ahead at every ISO. The 5DmkIII has around the same SNR at 800iso as the RX100 does at base ISO
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/812|0/%28brand%29/Sony/%28appareil2%29/795|0/%28brand2%29/Canon
I love my RX100 and it goes with me everywhere but it is far from perfect [ just like every other camera]. I was really hoping for a faster lens at the long end even if it meant a shorter focal range and better low light AF
No and no. He was asking about the NEX 7 compared to the Nikon, not the RX100.
And even the RX100 (just like the NEX) has a much larger benefit in practise at low ISO than the DXO numbers suggest, because DXO doesn’t account for pattern noise such as banding etc. Which in practise eats another > 1 EV of usable DR from the Canon.
uhh.. *Canon* vs NEX…
coffee time…
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Quite simply, sir, you can go F#%$ yourself.
This is what I am waiting for. Hopefully, it’s faster at the telephoto end. EVF is great since I also own the RX1. Can’t wait!!!
What is an NFC module and a WB bracket?
NFC = Near Field Communication. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication
WB bracket = White Balance bracketing, so the camera will snap several shots in sequence using a range of WB values so you can choose the best outcome.
In what sense your NEX set up performs better that the 5D set up? Really curious. Smaller for sure. Better performance – very doubtful. Maybe your expectation changes or you lack the skill?
In what sense your NEX set up performs better that the 5D set up? Really curious. Smaller for sure. Better performance – very doubtful. Maybe your expectation changes or you lack the skill?
WB bracket was already in the RX100
Samsung will announce the new Galaxy NX system camera in a special London event on June 20th. screan over 4 inches and no mirror.
Samsung camera? With Android? Yawn. Not a photography tool but hugely compromised device.
If the AF is anything like the NX300, it needs a ton of work to become anyshere near competitive with current SLT’s and DSLR’s, despite their marketing claims.
Who cares? they dropped the ball and haven’t picked it up yet.
what’s the price difference?
Thinking about this for a long time, anyone can tell me?
Is RX100 better than NEX-5R/6 with kit lens in ISO 100? (both the old 18-55mm and the new pancake 16-50mm)
Thanks
I don´t have the NEX but I own the RX100 and I´m sure up to A4 you will not be able to see a difference, maybe only in terms of DR and DOF! RX100 is great for hiking and landscapes, I love it!
By the way, I have the A77 and don’t miss it while hiking.and landscaping with RX100!
RX100 is better than any NEX to date with kit lens.
I have a NEX and also owned an RX100 for a little while (long story, but I did like it). As others said, it’s quite good, and maybe sharper than NEX with kit lens. But one area where NEX will always have an advantage is control over DOF due to sensor size. Still, for a small pocket camera, the RX100 is amazing. I miss it, and plan to get the MKII.
I’m disappointed MkII doesn’t have a GPS, which I find much more useful than this hyped WiFi. I’m wondering whether it is possible to connect a GPS module to its Multi Interface Shoe, and make it write directly to the EXIF file. Or better, a small sensor package also including digital compass, thermometer, altimeter, barometer, level meter and so on, perhaps driven by its own battery.
I purchased an rx100 a out a month ago, it’s a great little camera. If these additions hold true (wi-fi), I think I’ll bite. Anyone in the market for a gently used version 1?
Sell it immediately on ebay or craigslist while most people don’t yet know the MKII is coming. You still have a couple of weeks.
I recently Judy sold my RX100 and I am looking forward to its successor. The hot shoe is a big plus in my opinion as now I can trigger off camera flash. I hope the new screen is also touch screen. If the upgraded sensor gives an extra stop I low light that is icing in the cake. Also like the ability for click sops to the front ring. All in all it sounds like a decent upgrade to me and one I intend to purchase.
@ admin:
Does the translation tell us anything about the “?” Button? I think that button is a waste of controls on such an enthusiast compact camera and i hope it is gone with MKII. That in combination with the flip screen alone would make the MKII way more appealing to me.
Now, Is it a new sensor, or not? I assume not, since it s a Mark II camera, meaning only a slight upgrade of features.
Disappointing. However, perhaps Sony has got an RX10 up the sleeve to compete with the new Nikon and the Ricoh – any rumors on that?
I don’t see the point – APS-C will have a slower lens negating the bigger sensor advantage. RX100 is already better than a NEX with kit lens. Unless it has an f2 (or better) prime, it will be utterly pointless.
Well that is exactly what I want. Aps-c with a fast prime
Disapointing ?
You are disapointed even before someone answer to you ?
yes, correct, because even with new sensor, the new model is not a revelation
Don’t expect significant change each year. Minor annual changes are for convincing people who don’t own the camera.
There is a comment in another posting that it has 24 fps in video mode. Is this not in the list of changes in the Mark II?
According to the manual, page 105, the new camera features an Exmor R sensor, see here:
http://www.creative-hive.com/creativehive/uploader/uploader.cgi?mode=downld&no=259
According to Sony specs, the original one doesn’t have an R sensor.
On a comparatively large 1 inch sensor, however, BSI technology will not accomplish as great an advantage as on small 1/2.3 inch sensors.
So the sensor is indeed different on the new RX 100 ?
Does anyone know if the camera has app support like the nex5r and nex6?
Would be awsome to finally have a portable timelapse camera 🙂
I dont think it has app support like nex do.
I think I saw “play memories” somewhere in the manual…
but it seems to be only related to the online Sony service. And it seems there is no App entry in the menu ?
So, this is the exmor R
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/technology/technology/theme/exmor_r_01.html
do we have the same one in the actual rx100?
No.
where sony gets that user fedback… i mean to get in line…
cause all the features i was waiting for the rx100 succesor, i get zero.
no built in intervalometer.
no slow motion video.
no playmemories apps.
no small or even coated handgrip.
no magnetic-filters converters fish,wide and tele… ok im starting to ask to much, so i stop.
I second the slow motion video part. Quite an important aspect.
I’m also waiting for a decent slow motion video option.
HEVC can’t come soon enough. Maybe then manufacturers will finally start providing decent frame rates at full HD quality.
Does the “slight power bump” mean batteries are incompatible between the two versions? If so, hardly a fatal problem, but I’m annoyed.