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The last couple of years Canon proved tho have a very conservative approach on the digital camera market. And the best they can do now is to copy the best ideas 🙂
Latest example is their newly announced RX100 clone, the Canon G7x (specs here at Amazon). The Canon is cheaper but it doesn’t come with a built-in EVF (that alone makes up for most of the price difference). A good point for the Canon is that it has a wider zoom range (24-100mm). Well at least we have some competition and maybe Sony will lower the price of the RX100m3.
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Very similar indeed… (the outside at least.) But is it good as the Sony?
@ Admin: It is obvious that the Canon G7 X uses the same Sony sensor (same resolution, same ISO Range beginning at 125)…
The Canon does have a tilting LCD with touchscreen. That’s potentially some compensation for the viewfinder, especially if it can choose focus point and fire the shutter.
Don’t mind me, I’m just an old bloke looking down at this newfangled digital camera, prodding at the screen and frowning, not photographing you at all. 😉
It’s not a compensation. This is what makes this canon a far better camera. EVF value is highly overestimated by addicted.
Good luck seeing anything on that screen in full sun.
No problem with EVF.
EVF is underestimated by provincials.
1) Full sun shooting value is highly overestimated, you cannot get a good photo there anyway.
2) I shoot in full sun with my phone and I cannot say that was totally horrible. Not quite good but acceptable. And I couldn’t to see the screen at 90°. That should be good enough with tiltable back LCD of same quality as my phone screen. Just use good one, not that crap sony uses for their devices.
3) I insist VF value is hugely overestimated. My main complaint is that it naturally limits variety of angles you could use for a photo. The best choice would be something like google glass with some sort of neural interface to control it. I find the tilting LCD is much better solution for a photography you will do with cameras like these.
what a cheap move. proves the point that they’ve become utterly boring and repetitive, leaving all the innovation and excitement to sony. that’s not how you survive as a brand and to any smaller brand this would spell instant loss of respect. lucky canon have their huge base of followers and their name to save them, for now.
Exactly my thoughts. And they still don’t know how to make a nice industrial design. Canon Cameras are the worst looking cameras on the market imho, looking like throwing some tech together and try to hold it together with some rubber glue. I don’t even want to touch the Canons when I look at them in the shops.
According to my RAW to Jpeg comparison, G7x uses less than 15 Mp at the wide end. Other 5 are discarded due to distorsion correction. That’s why Canon’s images in Jpeg are extreemly blury… But, well, in RAW they just very blury. So, among xx-100mm RX100m2 is the best =)
I really hope this is not true. I really hope the Canon is atleast a little optically corrected or they really screwed up a really really nice camera.
If the lens is up to par, I’d go for the Canon over any of the rx100 series. The zoom range and aperture for me are the only feature I care about
If the lens is jacked, I’d go for the lx100, where I know the lens will not be compromised.
RX100-M2 vs ILCE7 ISO compr.
http://www.alfakulup.com/2014/09/sony-a7-vs-rx-100m2-iso-karsilastirmasi/
Thanks, looks good.
I think that if they copied or not is irrelevant and silly discussion, I would let that for the haters and fanboys.
The board only consists of haters and fan boys, which one are you.
Haters and fanboys are two sides of the same coin, I’m neither, I don’t care about the brands per se. I respect some, dislike others but regardless, I will always buy the product I think it’s the best for my needs.
There are enough premium compact cameras to choose from now, each one with its advantages. Canon tried the G1X and even G1X II but that wouldn’t work, Canon was too afraid of getting into their DSLR’s, nothing new, Canon cripping out their cameras and being conservative. But the G7X is a better offer, the G1X is big and it doens’t offer a lot, it didn’t even have full manual control for video! Ridiculous.
RX100 II should get its price dropped, if not, it won’t be worth it. The G7X has touch screen, a way better aperture, wider angle and maybe even better video – that, if it’s not too Canon-like soft -, plus it has ND filter. So, unless the RX100 II gets a price drop, it doesn’t offer much advantages.
The RX100 III is more expensive but it offers EVF, slow motion, XAVC-S codec but it loses in focal range, the aperture doesn’t matter much but the RX100 III goes to f/2.8 way faster than the G7X and LX100.
And for those that don’t mind the camera being pocketable or not, but likes video feats, 4K, Fuji-like dial controls, there is the LX100. The LX100 fails a bit in not delivering ND filter or even tiltable screen but it has a nice lens, great aperture, even more for a bigger sensor, plus it also has multi-aspect ratio sensor and the shallower DOP of all, even including the G1X that has the biggest sensor of all these cameras.
There is no perfect camera but plenty of options, each with its pros and cons, it’s really nice to have such good options. I wished Fuji had chosen a bigger sensor as well.
I have been checking these cameras out and i found the Canon G7X renders plasticky skin. I would go with the RX100 but that is just me.
it has to be said..the Sony is just to expensive to begin with compared with what you get.
Compared to what?
They could charge whatever they wanted because they had no competition at all…but now…we can expect more competitive prices in the future. Sadly, a lot of companies will dissapear in the future if the prices keep going down 😉
That could be said for almost any product from any company. Pointless.
Why is the LX100 not mentioned here since that camera also spawned out of the success of the RX100 but it managed to one-up Sony with a nicely positioned EVF and a m4/3 sensor?
I don’t think it “one-up’d” the Sony at all, they are quite different beasts altogether. LX100 looks nice but also loses out to the Sony a lot as well. This Canon is a much closer competitor but exchanges an EVF for touch screen and has a longer zoom range that many ex RX100 users are likely to appreciate.
What does the LX100 looses out to the RX100? I can only see Size.
The LX100 was born out of the success of the RX100.
It is aimed at the same target audience with the same concept: compact big sensor fast zoom lens.
What it has achieved in a better way than Sony’s solution was to mind that the size is arguably flexible if the convenience of a solid EVF solution (non-popping with a proper eyecup without sacrificing the clean lines of the body) is to be had.
It would be blind to think that the LX100 is a fresh development from Panasonic on its own so I would say Canon just copied straight up…Panasonic decided to offer a bigger, better sensor for low-light high iso and more depth of field control.
If the size is so critical to the person buying the camera, then the RX100 or Canon’s camera is the only one they would look at.
If the size can be slightly flexible…the LX100 is a winning camera by all means.
Mind you, I own an RX100.
Well here are a few things it loses out on:
No built in NDs
No built in flash
No tilt screen
4K mode yes, but lesser 1080p mode
Field sequential EVF
Bigger (but you covered that – depends on priorities)
External lens cap
Nearly half the resolution
What it gains:
Better controls
4K video
Slightly better low light performance sensor
Hotshoe
Higher res EVF
Though I still think they are quite different cameras. It smashes probably the biggest competition of the G1X II and maybe cameras like the X30 (though considerably more expensive than the latter).
I like the LX100, but every time I think about these (arguably small) things I can’t help but think I would prefer an RX100 III or wait and see what else gets cooked up, such as a 1″ LF1 replacement. The size, the lens cap, the EVF, the lack of tilt screen all put me off.
Ah. Well, those are minor things for me.
I think the size isn’t much of an issue.
I can’t place the RX100 in my jeans pocket anyway, so…LX100 isn’t much bigger.
The sequential EVF is not such an issue unless you are panning really fast to see the sequential lines. I tried this with GX7 and you can ignore it pretty much.As I work, I do not do this sort of panning…even when doing video and I don’t know anyone that works like that where this particular “issue” would be an issue.
While I say that sequential EVF is step below progessive EVF, I wouldn’t call it a deal breaker since EVF tech today is really, really good.
I don’t mind the lack of ND filter. I don’t mind carrying one.
I can see why for you the LX100 would not be a consideration because of the list of features that are a minus for you.
However, you are likely honed into your UI and craft well enough to be able to discern difference that the larger market for these cameras won’t.
Resolution isn’t everything, as well.
While you can, easily, work and sell work from an RX100/II/III, you can still do so with a 5D classic which is also a 12mp camera if we think of stringent stock photo agency guidelines.
I think, as a whole package, if I was to be buying a camera in that category today, I would choose the Panny over the Sony just because it edges out over the RX100 on the larger sensor, the more ergonomic positioning of the EVF (they really stole the design from the NEX 7, 6, a6000 which I really like) which by that token makes it more usable. The RX100m3 EVF is not very usable under direct sunlight (no EVF cup) or for people with glasses and the plastic is a bit hard so I am fearful of scratches.
BUT…I would love to have an RX100m2 so I could use the same EVF I use on the RX1 (which is the best EVF out, I believe) If I had an RX100m3, I don’t know how often I would use that EVF…really, but I do appreciate the better lens sharpness from centre to corner.
Different but aimed at the same core target group. That’s why I think it should have had a place in this post.
About the video, down sampling 4K into 1080p is what I would do in post if I wanted 1080p.
Everything you say is very true. Obviously the photographic community is going ga-ga over the LX100 and with good reason, it looks like a great cam. Thing is though, something of that size and needing to have lens caps, ND’s, external flashes etc etc and I might as well carry my A7S. The difference in size really isn’t that huge and I would want a small bag for it anyway. So that is why I don’t really think it “one-ups” the Sony, I think they have gone in a different direction and this is more aimed at being a ‘zoom X100’, which is a fine thing to aspire to and in many ways achieves. Also think something like this is for those with DSLRs who want a nice portable high end camera but don’t want to wade into mirrorless and investing in a whole different system of lenses.
As for resolution, yes I agree, my main camera now is an A7S and 12MP is plenty. The resolution advantage of the RX100 over the LX100 is that these are both fixed lens cameras, so the RX100 has a bit more ability to crop than the LX100 has.
I haven’t raced out to buy an RX100 III like I did the original, I still have my reservations about that cam as well (especially for the prices over here!), but I have equal reservations about the LX100. In a ‘compact’ camera like this it is annoying to have to have a lens cap, I want to turn it on and shoot. This might sound silly to many but it annoys me on a small camera no end. Tilt screen is also a blunder, especially as this isn’t that small it wouldn’t hurt having one. ND’s, maybe not such a problem but nice to have (and taking on and off is much easier with built in).
4K would be more useful with different frame rate options. Also lack (as does the RX100 III) headphone and mic sockets.
EVF, I know some people are not bothered by it and others are. It drives me up the wall but I guess I am more susceptible to the issue (like DLP projectors). It isn’t just fast panning, moving my eye around the finder induces it, or things moving within the frame. It is very very distracting and makes the EVF not really usable for me at all (sadly).
In the mean time I await price drops on the RX100 III to see if it gets to a more suitable price point due to everyone falling over themselves for the Panasonic 😉
True. The LX100, if successful enough, may drive RX100 prices lower and the RX100m3 would be a good cam to have at a lower price point.
I need to see then a comparison of the LX100 with the A7 cams because I thought it would be more of the size in between an RX1 and RX100…
In the UK the LX100 is £799
The RX100III £699
But the RX100II is only £489
While the RX100 is only £349!
I cannot see the LX100 slip into the £300 range ever so I think they are kinda for slightly different price brackets/market…
G7x is not probably the obvious competitor ,but LX100 is.
With bigger sensor, Pana’s lighting AF, their famous 4K video, it will make LX100 more interesting option.
Field sequential EVF, much bigger, no tilting LCD, no ND, considerably less resolution, 4K but lower end 1080p, no built in lens cap (optional though but makes it bigger). Nice looking camera but not really in.the same class of pocketable cameras.
Do you try it yourself? LX100 features the same EVF as GX7 and same processor as GH4. Very fast lens and a bit bigger and very light weight. And most importnantly IQ is far superior to RX100. And in Asian, it’s price is very close to RX100mkIII
“Far surperior”, yeah ok pull the other one. Half a stop is a long way away from “far superior”.
Full stop actually after 28mm (where the RX100 becomes f2.8)
Ouch, I though it has 24-75/2.8 lens. Well, since it is 24-75/1.7-2.8 it is full stop better.
The Panny LX100 is bigger, has a 4/3 sensor and is quite pricier than the RX100 /II/III. IMHO it’s actually somewhere in-between the RX100 /II/III and A5100/A600. It loses in size/pocketability to the RX100 and in everything else to the A5100/A6000 ( except maybe video due to 4k, for what I personally don’t care at all )!
I think the lens is what makes the LX100 interesting. I’ll stick to the A6000, though I wish Sony offered a pancake zoom that was a little better/faster than the 16-50mm (I’d be OK with it being slightly larger)
Yeah, that lens is so slow that unless you replace it, there’s no sense in owning an interchangeable lens camera. I think Sony can do better too.
It also should feel snappier vs A5100/A6000 as μ43s are usually do. It focuses faster in any light conditions and nails better: the darker, the more the difference will be in favour of panasonic. Fixed LCD makes it no buy for me though.
Have you compared their AF speed? I’ve not seen any review yet on the LX100 saying that. Up to now, the A6000 has been the AF speed champion, but having competition will be good!
You have wrong info, the Panasonic GH4 is the best. And don’t forget the A6000’s OSPDAF is very limited in sensitivity, in specs it is limited at EV 0, but in practice it becomes unreliable at couple of stops above.
The panasonic is useable down to EV -4, where it is spot on most of the time and keeps tracking.
Again: have you tried them both? Don’t just trust the specs or a revew.
I don’t use autofocus at all: I’m primarily a street and cityscape shooter thus good DOF scale is much better for my purposes than strange AF A6000 has: when there is enough light I can use zone focus with stopped down aperture. If the light is not enough the hybrid abomination will not work at all (GH4 will ;)).
Thus, I am not one who can judge AF. That is why I believe reviewers and, frankly, speaking the experience can be much different from reviewers sounds too much like a nonsense ;). Too much reviewers who tested both are agree GH4’s AF is generally better.
PS I’m mathematician and engineer and the whole PDAF idea always sounds like an epic BS for me: the simplicity is always better than overengineered sh1t. This is amazing they have managed to work it on A6000’s level, but still there are drawbacks that will not disappear: additional glass layer in sensor stack that degrades IQ with strong counter light sources, weak low light sensitivity due to low count of PDAF points (otherwise you will low IQ) in Sony’s implementation. Canon’s can be better, but still sensor reflections.
Two samples below:
1) My former A7 ghosting I couldn’t handle
2) An example, where the A6000’s AF probably will not work – done with NEX-5n, Summilux 35 FLE@f1.4 with prefocus, ISO3200, 1/60.
LOL….!
Yawn.
actually, the RX100 was a copy of the Canon S90. This is just canon reluctantly joining the 1″ battlefield. It’s a natural evolution of the S series that sony jacked years ago.
what do the RX100 and the S90 in common? A display, a lens and some buttons around IT?
Pocketability, on-lens adjustment ring.
RAW,the S90 was the first to make it available in a compact camera.
Errata corrige
Someone “from above” tells me that the S90 wasn’t the first,but rather it was the LX3.
I own both the S90 and RX100, and the only similarity is that they each use a larger sensor than most of the point and shoot cameras that came before them. The RX100 was simply a logical step forward in sensor technology- and I think a logical progression is the opposite of copying. However, that’s what Canon did with its S90 line. They copied the same camera over and over (much like with the Rebel) and watched sales pour in at the expense of their brand’s value/reputation. The real irony (to address your point) is in Canon licensing Sony’s 1″ chip to use in their version of Sony’s RX100.
Do you have any proof that Canon uses the Sony 1″ sensor ?
The biggest review sites are 90% sure. Same size, same MP rating. If it were a new fabrication there is no way Canon would use the same MP count, and would most likely create a 1.1″ sensor since the lens is built in to the camera.
Besides some other stuff, the Sony has a prettier “clean” design. It’s already a classic!
Five years from now both of the cameras will be long forgotten, neither being a classic in any sense of the word.
Both are plastic, not classic.
strange, my RX100 is made from metal
Maybe he stole a mock-up? And that’s why all the complains?
Yeah, mine too. Weird.
I think this remark is a good indication of your level of knowledge.
The RX100,II and III have an all aluminun body…!
If you say so…!
Agree. Just like the NEXes.
Depends of the models… the nex3n looks cheap, and i prefer the finish of my canon s95 to my nex5R.
But the rx10 is a pure jewel.
To be fair, Sony copied Canon S100(or S90) first. As for the 1″ sensor, I don’t think Canon copied it. I think they outsource it to Sony.
And Canon used the mark II designation first, to the A77II is just a copy of a Canon camera.
correction: “so the A77II”
And Canon copied Panasonic LX3.
It might well be the other way around, as Sony is the image sensors source for Panny ( FZ1000 ), Nikon ( sensors for most Nikon DSLR’s ), Pentax, Mamiya, Phase One, Hasselblad, Leica, etc.,etc,….
I like my RX100M3, and when I have the fire sale on all my A-mount gear early next year, this will be the one piece of Sony gear I hold onto.
Sell it all and buy the G7x and be happy for the rest of your life.
You know blogger old buddy… you are sounding a bit desperate when you continually bring in canon or nikon when you speak about the sony tech. It would probably sound better all around if you didn’t stoop to such sensationalism type prose.
Fact is I can find any number of cameras that share the same basic look and all of which would predate both of the camera… it means nothing… its like saying someone that built a tire just copied good year… there is really only one basic shape for any camera, just as there is only one basic shape for a tire.
Well, the RX100 was pretty much recognized throughout the industry as ‘ground-breaking’ because of the 20MP 1″ sensor and bright lens in this form factor. Canon is clearly following Sony’s lead here, based on the success of the RX100. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. But this Canon camera can hardly be called ‘innovative’.
Hey Mars Observer, the Maven probe is being inserted into Mars orbit right now.
http://mars.nasa.gov/maven/
SUCCESS!
Yes, references like this tend to get the panties of fan boys all in a bunch. And it’s always difficult to get that sorted.
then you should check the blogger admin from m43 rumour site.
Actually Sony copied canons enthusiast compact first years ago. Stop with your over sensationalist titles or I’ll get my news from elsewhere.
What is the name of this web site?
Please then, go elsewhere. We don’t another uninformed prick with an attitude on here.
Canon is actually using Sony’s 1″ sensor, so, yeah, it’s valid to call it a clone.
Did canon ever have 1″ compact with fast lens?
Canon never wanted to innovate, they wanted to have a profitable, sustainable camera business offering gear for all kinds of photographers – and that’s what they got, unlike Sony.
False. Sony introduced the S series (S75) 7 months before Canon introduced the G series. At that time Canon compacts with anything larger than a 1/2.5″ like sensor still had slow zoom lenses where the Sony was equipped with a f/2-f/2.5 zoomlens.
You go anywhere you want to…ass if we care!
Everybody copied Panasonic LX3.
Funny when they’re both utterly bricks that the Canon could still manage a much, much more uglier design. How do they do that…
True. Canon compact camera design can be terrible at times.
I would like to see something like the 1″ sony sensor with the 70-300mm Nikon lens for the Nikon 1
The Sony sensor does not have PDAF like the Aptina Nikon 1 sensors, I doubt focus performance would be very good with a 70-300mm attached.
I currently owned the mk1 and probably will upgrade to the canon one as i need the touch screen rather than evf. 24-100 is a big plus too. The only downside is no bounce flash.
Plus a horrible 210 shots battery life (RX100 scores at least 50% more), which AFAIK is a record low.
Apparently NEX-6 runs out of power after ~100 shots if you use native OSS lens: https://www.flickr.com/groups/2091809@N22/discuss/72157641262003934/
I don’t go by misinterpreted (plus 2 to 3 videshoots) anecdotes, I go by controlled measurements (CIPA) and since I owned the NEX 6, also my experience. I could easily get 300 to 400 shots using the 50mm with OSS, more without OSS.
Please, look at the samples at imaging-resource.com! The lens is horrible wide open, softness, coma, fringing!
And yet, they will still sell more than Sony’s 🙂
RX100 sells very well, why do you think Canon are copying them?
I wonder why sony didn’t manage to get a 24-100mm equiv. Into that body, since it seems to be possible….that combined with the evf would make the sony just better as it is. Sony innovates and others make what sony should have done, see lumix fz1000.
Others have commented that the G7X lens is not very good, this could be a pointer as to why the Sony doesn’t.
Yes, there may be sacrifices concerning image quality…we´ll see when the tests roll out (and those cameras will be compared). If they are big enough (and I don´t think about pixel-peeping) to sacrifice those 30mm at the tele end…
no evf, no buy. but besides that…how the hell did they manage to make it so ugly compared to the sony?
Yep Sony innovates…..the rest just duplicates.
LOL, it seems that you are payed by Sony after all. Got you!
Actually seems to be going more and more that way.
No,”it” is only an as…le.
I wish Sony would do a copy of the Nikon D810 ……… in A-mount!
D810 + IBIS + EVF + A-mount <– I will get one immediately.
Get in the queue right behind me!
Panasonic lx-100- i do not care about this cameras, they are 349,90,-€ cameras, maybe lower in price, and if not, they are not in focus. All this marketing bla bla, thees keyword-shit..
innovation, new, mega, supa, tupa, yes yes… and no. After the smartphone-wave and the lonly
lost of APS-C ( why do we not see the innovations in this field = NO MORE ARTEFACTS, NO
MOIERE, 10 bit codec, and so on…and designers will bring it smaler if,…we feed al the people out there, with tiny hands, short selfie-arms, small short places,…)i feel abit….
you do not geht my money, bechaus the genious kliuzu 100 rxxx supa mk2 has a mk3 a mk4
a mk 5 amk6…. and so on…
Have you taken your medication?
EVF on RX100 is a joke.
If anything – they made a good move getting rid of it.
In that case, Sony copied Nikon, since Nikon had already introduced a 1″ sensor camera. Once Nikon legitimized the new small format, Sony moved in with a point and shoot. Yes, with the RX-100, Sony invented the point and shoot, and everyone that comes after copied Sony.
Chinese style 🙂
Sony could drop its price removing the EVF. In a point and shoot camera it doesn’t make any sense.
Only mark III has an EVF, the first two generations are already the budget alternative.
The bottom line, as others have pointed out, is the IQ for the G7x ain’t much looking at the sample photos. There’s speculation they’re using Sony’s 1″ sensor but I don’t think so. The RX100M3 has much cleaner output than the noisy Canon. Pictures aren’t particularly sharp and some have ugly CA visible without pixel peeping so the extended range of the lens comes at a significant cost. Yeah, the G7x is a mess.
Sony has absolutely nailed the 1″ sensor. Nikon 1 using Aptina’s rubbish sensor can’t come close to it. It seems Canon is even a step or two behind the Nikon 1 in IQ, forget the RX100M3.
All Nikon needs to do for a really good system is buy the Sony 1″ sensor and put it in the Nikon 1.
The new 70-300mm lens is supposed to be really good.
Canon is developing new sensors as well as a new mount for ff mirrorless compact system.
The days of no competition for Sony are very short lived.
G7X lens – you get what you pay for which is why it’s cheaper.
RX100 III offer better quality, EVF, smaller, lighter, much better battery life, better minimum shutter, etc.
G7X – imitation
RX100 III – the real thing
S90 – the real thing
RX100 – imitation
G7X – imitation of an imitation
S90 was the first one to introduce full manual control and to make available the RAW in a compact camera.
RX100 has finally introduced a compact camera with a large sensor.
50/50?
Seriously? The S90 was simply Canon’s response to the LX3 so the S90 was the first to introduce full manual control and RAW in a compact camera??? Seriously???
Did I do wrong? Sorry, I’ve never been much into Panasonic and in reality not so much into Canon too.
But as you can see the concept remains:
LX3 – the real thing
S90 – imitation
RX100 – imitation of an imitation
G7X – imitation of an imitation of an imitation.
C3P8 – imit…
In war,no one wins.
Somehow the Sony-Sticker on Cameras get’s more and more familiar to me, while the former “shine” of the Canon-Logo slowly fades away. I still hope that Canon will bring brand new stuff early next year, but how probable that is, I’m not so sure.
MEH.
Back in the day Sony copied the controls layout of the Canon S90 to create the RX100.
Now it looks like Canon made a clone of the original RX100 mark I. It is very ironic that Sony is already two generations ahead with the mark III. Seems to be the story of Canon these days.
hahahaha CANON… Prehistoric sensor and a elementary video features ^^
Be careful about what you say on a Sony forum when,the G7X,has the same sensor of the RX100/II/III.
Along similar lines Canon is apparently working on 2 major developments.
One is a large sensor superzoom powershot.
The other is a new mount for full frame compact mirrorless system.
Or a 4/3 mount?
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/canon-says-they-could-launch-a-new-mount-system
The link you priveded as well as others are suggesting ff mirrorless compact system.
I have seen other rumors of a smaller format interchangeable lens sytem…buy it was a more vague rumor.
to be honest after trying the rx100 and not liking his interface and the way the front rings handles I am looking forward to the g7x. I have the s90 and if it is similar with better quality I am ok with that. Really tried liking the rx100 but could not get used to it and found difficult to switch from aperture priority to full manual with ease.
Sony btw did not invent nothing, s90 with his ring came first, they made it clickless for video (and I hated it’s lack of feedback)and boom they nailed it.
It wasn’t like that for me 😛
Yawn…..
Canon kann nichts tun, sondern die Sonys Modele kopieren! Sony ist sehr kreativ! Ewige Sony Konzern!