A person I highly trust talked to a major Sony manager (I cannot unveil his name). Now as usual the info spilled out by such “managers” have to be taken with a grain of salt too. They often “hide” or sometimes even really don’t know exactly what’s going to happen in the near future. But the info he shared was the following:
1) Many FE lenses have a larger Filter size because it’s more practical for video usage. And Sony wants to make lenses that can suite well both kind of customers: Stills and Video photographers
2) A High End E-mount FF (rumored to be named “A9”) is indeed on the roadmap for a 2015 release. But he doesn’t think it will be announced from here to March. Before the A9 Sony will announce the price and release of the new FE lenses.
3) In the Sony managers region (can’t name it but it’s big) 80% of the interchangeable cameras they sell are E-mount and only 20% A-mount. Most A-mount cameras sold are A99’s.
4) According to him Zeiss, Sigma, Tamron and other third-party lens makers have more interest in making lenses for the E than for the A-mount system. Mainly because the E-system has little to offer while there are plenty of A-mount lenses around.
5) A-mount sales are just enough to cover initial development costs. While the money is coming from E-mount.
6) There will be new and “updated” A-mount lenses that will mainly focus on improving the lens usefulness in video.
I repeat it. Take that info with a grain of salt. But this is the kind of info that the manager (and likely other too) are spreading around when talking with customers and business partners.
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Glad to hear something new….it has to be said sonyrumors get moch more news and rumor updates (if valid or not doesnt matter nobody can predict the future exactly!!!) than any other rumor sites so thank you for your hard work….
And by the way, we still need 85 voters so please….it would do no harm anyway and cost nothing, maybe one minute….;)
https://www.change.org/p/sony-enable-uncompressed-or-lossless-compression-raw-files-on-the-a7-cameras-and-future-f-e-mount-cameras
Did it.
+ done
btw – what will happen if you get those 85 votes?
Lossless RAW will become enshrined in the Constitutions and Common Laws of all the World’s countries.
is it a translation of word “nothing”? 🙂
I just emailed them a link to it along with some other complaints
@SAR_Admin
Could you use your trusted sources and contacts to Sony (employers etc.) that there is a strong wish/desire/request for true 14 bit uncompressed raw files/option as Canon and Nikon have it and like Sonys A99 already had …the only sony camera which offered it though only in AFS not in AFC sadly… so this was even not really comparable to Canikon offerings/raw options to be fair….
Thanks in advance! Good to have you!
yes, I’ve voted, hope for good results. Nobody did understand if cRAW constraint is due to hardware design or firmware. Two different kind of evolutions could be possible as a consequence.
I signed it. You spelled artefacts wrong and it should be kind regards not best regards
“3) In the Sony managers region (can’t name it but it’s
big) 80% of the interchangeable cameras they sell are E-mount and only
20% A-mount. Most A-mount cameras sold are A99’s.”
So Asia then.
5) A-mount sales are just enough to cover initial development costs. While the money is coming from E-mount.
Because Sony don’t market their A-mount and never have, doesn’t take a gennious to figure out that if you plaster E-mount all over the media it will sell well. Perhaps if they advertised the A-mount range they would also sell well.
Sony are a thick as pig brown stuff.
Genius
Sodding iPhone!
Sounds like bunkam to me.
No mention of any new Sony e mount camera’s at next Month’s show?
No A7r ii, or A7000?
I will bet ya, at least one of the above will be announced, probably both will be.
J
I would like a ~1.5X TC for the E mount. This way, I can use almost all the APS-C lenses on FF.
Kenko? Cosina? Samyang? Tamron? Sony? Zeiss? Anyone?
Not going to happen. E mount lenses have too short backfocus to accommodate reasonable TC. Well, it could be done, but aberrations would render it unusable (or it would work with only selected lenses like 70-200/4)
BTW, usable 1.5x TC for E mount exists — it’s called A6000, and as a bonus it has better AF and FPS than fullframe E-mount bodies.
Have you tried and found out that it can not be done?
The concept of Speed Booster was met with similar (can’t be done) proposals before one was made.
Yes, I have. I haven’t tried Fresnel lenses/diffractive optics through.
It’s just people were not familiar with focal reducer concept which is more than 100+ years old.
Yes, I have tried it in optical design software (through I haven’t tried fresnel/diffractive optics). People who told that about SB were simply not familiar with focal reducer concept.
BTW, see this:
How ridiculous is it when a Sony manager/spokesman states that the ‘E’ mount cameras sell lots more than ‘A’ mount and Sony themselves will not advertise, push or even talk about ‘A’ mount. Even more stupid because they don’t realize that they have a world beater in DSLR cameras with the A77II.
Talk about stupidity!
That’s what you get for having a bunch of managers from Cybershot running their A-mount development.
Minolta guys are long gone.
It’s a good thing… Minolta was a failure. They never really made it to the history books with their lenses. Not saying they were bad… just unimpressive compared to what others did. Even lowly Pentax have nicer lenses.
Sorry, but can’t agree. This old Minolta grandpa is still very enthousiastic about his 100/2 and 35/2. I need no more than just these 2, well, just a 24/2.8. Adapted on E-mount, why not? And maybe you should evaluate the history books you’re referring to 😉
For 100mm the legend is the Leica R. I think at 90 there’s Olympus. For 35mm, is the Minolta any better than Nikons?
Like i said… not saying Minolta made bad lenses but nothing that really went down in history as the best in the respective categories.
Rokkors rock! Especially the 58/1,2 or 58/1,4
Except Noct Nikkors are considered legends.
Minolta AF 200mm f/2.8 APO G HS ? “Lowly” Pentax? Dude, what’s that history you are talking about?
Minolta 200/2.8? Why do you think it’s special? Because it comes in white like Canons? 🙂 Again, a good lens but nothing that others haven’t had.
Uhmmm… unimpressive compared to what others did? Leica used Minolta designs. Minolta CLE? Leica R3/4/5 produced by Minolta? XD11? Image stabilization?… Minolta did fail, but it certainly wasn’t unimpressive.
If you read my original claim, i never said Minolta made things of poor build or output quality. At the same time those are the least collectible of Leicas. Minolta was not consulted for the M glass which Leica has always been known for.
Also Minolta didn’t invent image stabilisation… the first slr lens to have IS was the Canon 300/4L IS. Minolta did come up with ibis… but that became useful for serious cameras only since live view evfs came in the mainstream (very recently)… that probably wouldn’t have happened had Sony not bought the company over. But since then Pentax and Olympus had independently made a name for their own ibis. Until evfs+live view came to slts (then mirrorless) optical stabilisation has been superior because it provided a stabilised OVF and helped with AF.
Your initial comment was “just unimpressive compared to what others did”, I never implied or said otherwise. How was the 200mm unimpressive compared to others? It is up there with the best. The rules of your game are random at best. What is impressive? Should it be innovative? Efficient? Good quality? Collectible? Leica is also known for its R glass, which is also excellent, we just don’t speak much about it, as it is no longer supported. Minolta did come up with IBIS, but apparently that counts as nothing? And how is it not useful without an EVF, it worked just fine on the A900. Minolta was as impressive as any other company out there. And Pentax back then wasn’t lowly. History is a bit different than what you are describing.
“How was the 200mm unimpressive compared to others?”
It’s unimpressive compared to the achievements of others. Olympus had a 180/2, Contax and Nikon had their own 200/2s and Canon had a 200/1.8. The Minolta 200/2.8 isn’t worth a glance next to the others.
“it worked just fine…”
Which is another way of saying “unimpressive”. Optical stabilisation is superior for ovfs and slr pdaf because you don’t have to cross your fingers (and maybe legs) and hope for the best.
“And Pentax back then wasn’t lowly.”
Yes that part came out wrong. Pentax did make some special 35mm format lenses that are sought after still to this date by people who are not just surviving family members.
In Minolta’s defense, they made two lenses that were particularly special. The first was the 250/5.6 mirror lens… it does fetch a good price. The 500AF Reflex is also the best at that focal length, AF aside.
The managers dont use their own products thats the problem and they may have not the time to use/play with them…..its all about numers, sales, roic, profits/margins, growth, stock exchange….and sadly the managers are the decision makers not the lens or camera (product) engineers/developers, they have less influence on the final decision or even not any impact on the decision making…..we see the results often lack of customer listening/ bad customer relation, miss development etc…..
…a lot like Flickr then isn’t it 🙁
You are probably very right on this, but you make it look as if it is a problem. Sony cameras are selling very well (the E-mount that is). The A6000 is most of the time the #1 mirrorless seller on Amazone and even very high on the total of digital camaras on B&H (some times even @#1) so many people are liking these cameras. That might be better then the old managers at Canon and Nikon who are loosing the mirrorless market as they did not step in to it at the start and now they are late, maybe to late….
A77ii is a piece of aps-c**p with a mirror hack. OSPDAF is the way of the future.
There is allso the 15 FPS machinegunning marwell Samsung NX1. Only thing lacking in the Samsung line are birding / wildlife / sports lenses.
I tried one, it’s awkward to change settings and it had trouble focussing on a well lit subject. It’s a toy for sukkers.
NX1 vs Canon 7Dii shootout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmlzqAy5Q68
So, either you got a malfunction NX1 or it is the problem from the user.
I can see a third explanation. Can you see it too, sunshine?
Problem is Canon and Nikon have the apsc dslr market firmly stitched up. The a77ii outclasses the competition but the customers still aren’t biting.
Stitched up due to years of Sony concentrating on TVs. It’s only too late that they have realised Sony Imaging is one of their core businesses.
Imagine back in the A100 days if Sony had poured the amount of marketing money they have now into dSLR. I am a Minolta guy and back when I was looking for a Canon dSLR even I didn’t know that Sony made a ex-Minolta dSLR.
The customers aren’t biting because many don’t even know about the A77II because Sony just doesn’t understand their own products and refuse to market their best product for the niche it’s aimed at (of course, they now have ‘E’ blinkers on)
I totally agree there – it didn’t help that it was overshadowed by the a6000’s launch. The less than certain future of the a-mount doesn’t encourage potential customers either.
It is simply not true that the A77II “outclasses” the competition. The A77II might be better in some points than other High-End APS-C DSLRs. E.g. the EOS 7D II has its strengths too, especially for sports and wildlife.
There are reasons why the customers aren’t biting. 😉
I think its the market not Sony. Neither Canon nor Nikon sales have been spectacular in DSLR. Give it a few years, and it wont just be the market either – it will be technology as well as soon as focusing speeds on moving objects are comparable between mirrorless and reflex. People bang on about form factor, but for most people it actually works the other way: I more often carry a small format Oly or Panasonic than my A77, as it stops my partner becoming a photography widow on long walks!
Photography widow ??? That’s what my wife was until I told her that with her eye for different things, she might take better pictures than me (fingers were crossed at this time, LOL)….then I got her a camera she would be good with. Now we both go out, taking our own pictures and delaying each other. Try it my friend, you will both be happy then (she might also understand a little better when you tell her that you need the next new lens, body, etc (even more pleased when you hand over your once prized lens ”to help improve your photography, my dear” ‘cos you’ve now got a nice brand new one :-)))
A-mount is dead for sure. E-mount ftw.
Sony will never confirm that though. They will just say like ‘80% of the interchangeable cameras they sell are E-mount’.
In Japan.
Probably in the UK too. If I see a Sony, odds are it’s e-mount
Europe is where A-mount sells well, so I doubt it.
Same here in Sweden. If you see a Sony camera on the street, it is a Cybershot or an E-mount.
True or not, I’m just going to keep shooting with my A77II until it breaks, and then I’ll worry about what to replace it with.
Based on all that’s been posted, both officially and unofficially, I’m starting to think there is no A99 successor in the pipe.
That said, I also don’t think this truly is bad news given the strides that mirrorless systems have made in recent months. And so my gut tells me that the A9 will likely become Sony’s new flagship camera.
PS. I’ll likely buy one
this all sounds credible; but where is the A7000 and APSC E mount news?
At the least I’d expect an a6000 ii with ibis before the summer holidays.
“I repeat it. Take that info with a grain of salt.”
Seriously? Do you really think that will happen in today’s ADD-copy-paste world? 😉
What will happen is that your rumour post will get copied, pasted and propagated as news and as the “truth” all over the internet, as usual. Then the “A-mount IS Dead” prophets start pounding their tincture with an all new zeal, too, and soon the meme becomes the ‘official’ truth. Whether the rumour is true or not, no one cares.
That’s how today’s copy-paste journalism works in a nutshell. Your offering the salt dispenser has no impact whatsoever to that. Your disclaimer is futile and utterly pointless. 🙂
Well, those sites I know that copy my content daily are NOT serious sites. Actually those are jokes. So if anyone reads them it’s their fault 🙂
I think this site should either use the forum or use a comment system but having both seems illogical
Why? Ranting in two separate places is twice as fulfilling…
Code synergy
An American education and a sad life huh?
You may be right about our copy-and-paste world. But I think, most people are not stupid and take the whole internet with a grain of salt. 😉
BTW: Someone don’t have to be a prophet to recognize that A-Mount is dead. I totally understand that A-Mount users are pi**ed off by that fact and by everyone who speaks that out. Sure, nobody knows the future, but it’s obviously.
The internet is a big social amplifier. It tends to amplify the stupid stuff as well as the clever stuff, but the amplifier does not discriminate between quality and quantity. Unfortunately quantity is overwhelming quality online time and again.
As for the A-mount, the eventual demise of the A-mount is obvious. The A-mount will become obsolete along with all the other SLR mounts, including Canikon, Pentax K, and others. They all will be replaced by shorter flange distance mirrorless mounts sooner or later. That doesn’t mean the A-mount will become unusable or disappear any time soon, though.
The only sad part about all that is that currently Sony have no proper substitute for it. I think the E-mount is a poor substitute for the A-mount, especially for FF sensor cameras.
The info is so boring it must be genuine.
Worst case, that suggests apsc a-mount needs to see a doctor and possibly a priest, but ff a-mount could pull through… Don’t get me wrong, the a77ii is probably the best apsc dslr on the market, but the quote reads like the a99 subsidises the a77ii and a58 (rather than the other way round).
Sony, if you’re reading this, please remember that some of us absolutely don’t want large filter video lenses like the 35/1.4 and would prefer more compact lenses like the 55/1.8 and 35/2.8.
Actually, like all A-Mount cameras, the A77II is not really a DSLR at all, which is why DSLR sales are still mostly Canons and Nikons, and if people really want an electronic viewfinder, there are many attractive options without the disadvantage of a large flangeback distance.
Exactly. You are absolutely spot on. I couldn’t have said that better.
The A77II is a dSLR, Sony just choose to market it and all the others in the range as SLT.
you couldn’t be more incorrect
Look up “SLR”, it has nothing to do with a moving mirror. Educate yourself.
Single Lens Reflex. Reflex means there must be some mirror. Either you move that mirror, or you make it transparent, otherwise you cannot capture the image. Educate yourself…
Re-read what I said.
SLR has nothing to do with a MOVING mirror. You have to be pretty stupid to think that SLR means having a flappy moving mirror, it doesn’t. That is why Sony SLT cameras ARE dSLRs, they have a mirror.
It isn’t. The “R” in SLR stands for “reflex”, an optical viewfinder system called the “reflex finder“, which consists of a mirror behind the lens and a focusing screen and possibly more optical elements like a pentaprism or pentamirror. Anything that hasn’t an optical viewfinder is, by definition, no SLR.
Wrong. The R does stand for Reflex and but it has NOTHING to do with having to have an optical viewfinder rather than a electronic one. It has nothing to do with a focus screen and you are really reaching with the “more optical elements” statement.
Reflex is the only thing that matters and the SLT design IS a reflex design.
Then I suggest you go and correct the entries in Wikipedia and other general works of reference.
Absolutely, its clear this is the case when you look at the photographs: they just don’t have that ‘DSLR look’…
LOL
a77ii good in af suck in low light high ISO
No it doesn’t. You clearly haven’t used one.
And this leaves Canon and Nikon alone in proper camera manufacturing. Nothing new. This interview is so unrevealing it’s probably true.
So what defines ‘proper camera manufacturing’ then? Or is that just your way of showing your fanboyism to one/both of those brands?
He means A-mount is dead, which leaves Sony with just the ‘my first mirrorless’ department.
If a person can’t take a decent photo with a mirror-less system, whether Sony’s or another brand, then I suggest they stick to crayons…
There are thousands of photos you CAN’T take with a mirror-less system, because they either focus too slow or lenses are not available. How many sports photographers use e-Mount. Show me a 600mm or 800mm lens for E-mount. The 2 most common lenses used today are 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200 f2.8 and NOBODY makes them in e-mount. It just can’t be considered a serious platform until lenses catch up and they solve the focus speed problem.
Most of these thousands of photos can ALSO not be taken by >90% of all DSLRs because their AF is equally sh*t. AFAIK the A6000 is as least as good as mid-range DSLRs in the AF/continuous shooting department.
On the other hand there are thousands of pictures you ACTUALLY can’t take with a DSLR because it won’t fit your legacy Leica lens or because it won’t go to ISO 409,600.
Also the most common lenses used today are definitely not the two that you claim but more likely say, 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 and perhaps 75-300mm f/4-5.6 or 50mm f/1.8.
If you can’t take a photo with a legacy lens, buy a current lens. But you can’t buy a current lens for FE because there’re none. I agree – 24-70 and 70-200 f/2.8 are ones of the most widely used lenses, and until they appear, it’s hard to take FE seriously.
I’d take it seriously with
17 f2.8 / 21 f2.8 / 35 f2 / 50 f2 / 75 f2 / 100 f2.8 macro / 135 f2 and perhaps a 200 f2.8
loxia primes. These could still be small unlike a 70-200 2.8 which is very hard to be small
Well it shouldn’t be small, that’s the point! If Sony want to replace DSLRs with mirrorless, they need to have big lenses in FE, eventually even the long sports primes like FE 500mm f/4.
I’m fine with relatively small if the focal length, aperture and quality is the same
There’s no 600 or 800 mm for E-mount. Yet EVERY 600 or 800 mm lens fits. Always great to have a handful of adapters at hand to show the Canikon crowd how their lenses can really perform.
And all of those 600 and 800 mm will only have manual focus, which pretty much renders them useless.
Tamron 150-600mm plus LA-EA4.
The LA-EA4 AF module is not up to the job.
Depends on the job, wouldn’t you say?
Yes, and it isn’t.
You mister spoil all the fun with your logic and common sense.
WRONG. Next customer, please.
so I guess there were never any good sports photos taken before autofocus existed. I shot sports with manual dslr for years. If you want to sepparate the boys from the photographers, take away their autofocus and tell them to go shoot sports.
Get a grip people. Everyone here makes it sound like photography never existed before technology. which is utter rubbish
there were good images painted on the walls of caves.
and good photos before digital cameras.
let’s all use ancient technology in 2015?
Aint that the truth!
so without autofocus you’re useless 😀 lol. check out how beautiful pictures you can get without focus as well 🙂 flickr, you see i am not ashamed of my photos like you, but none of my business https://www.flickr.com/photos/120269608@N03/
Manual focus, you really are clueless. Stick to your toys and leave dSLRs to people who need CAF.
poor guy, doesn’t know how to focus manually 😀 😀 read a manual
Shhhhhh. Let the adults who know how to operate a camera talk, kiddo.
Ever tried shooting moving targets? It would be a novel and refreshing experience for you and most people here. I am not venturing into lighting, that’s too advanced.
what the hell are you talking about ? I shoot everything manually with legacy lenses at minimum costs and have no problem at all. Don’t believe me ? check out my photos on flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/120269608@N03/
what are you talking about ?! I shoot everything manually with legacy lenses at minimum costs and have no problem at all. Don’t believe me ? check out my photos on flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/120269608@N03/
Try manual focus with a longer lens and a moving subject. Or simply try getting closer to your subjects and opening up that iris.
You will see what the problem is.
lunatic, check my photos and realize that i have been shooting with a long lens and close to the moving subject…. this is utterly pointless
Your pics were shot with shorter lenses and never too close. They are not bad, but not exciting either, and they surely make no point pro or versus this or that.
No platform can be considered serious without a silent shutter and in-viewfinder live view.
See? We all can take one BS feature that another camera doesn’t have and pretend that makes it serious.
Likewise, look at the thousands of out of focus images with phase AF and fast lenses that could have been nailed with any decent mirrorless…
Can we please stop the crazy sheeple that look in the mirror and see a Sports Illustrated Olympics Sports Photojournalist and actually believe that an 800mm lens that nobody ever buys is actually the measure of a photography system?
It is like they are stuck in 1984 and can’t get out.
Switch to m4/3 then…
Skill vs objective discussion. I like it. No really, good luck using it in antarctica
Oh no! How can Sony sell cameras if they lose the ANTARCTIC EXPLORER market? Everybody panic!
You are a moron and obviously know nothing about photography.
Internet connection is poor (have to use satellite)
My point was not about winning the antarctic explorer market but simply it’s not impermeable to valid criticism
How good is your internet connection in Antarctica, by the way? Can you get Netflix?
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/techniques/gimbal___monopod.shtml
No need to link me. I’ve witnessed two of them die first hand
This aint my first Rodeo………..
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/antarctica-2009-worked.shtml
I repeat, I’ve witnessed two of them die first hand. There are no rubber seals in the camera.
http://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2014/01/a7rteardown27.jpg
You can get lucky but they are not designed to withstand any moisture
I repeat, with rubber seals cameras still die.
So, don’t get them wet. The snow/moderate cold in antarctica won’t be staved off by rubber seals. Your original point was hap-hazard and pointless.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/antarctica-2009-worked.shtml
Maybe I staged this one, just for you, simply to make a point.
Clueless comment for somebody that doesn’t understand auto-focus.
Mkay, sure… SMH
It’s good to get advice from those who know least.
A little hint for all the “experts”: try shooting moving targets. It will open up a world of new ideas, and beat statues and brick walls.
True, but for a boat load of people ‘my first mirrorless’ = an a7x and some Zeiss lenses…
Actually, this leaves Canon, Nikon and Pentax in DSLSR manufacturing, where Pentax makes the properest DSLRs.
Sony, like any good business, is simply responding to market demands.
There appears to be plenty of market demand for dSLR or Canon, Nikon and Pentax would be out of business.
Sony don’t build DSLR since a few years. Got that already?
You don’t know what SLR means.
Market demand for Canon and Nikon DSLRs is shrinking too, especially at the low end.
Which has got nothing to do with what I said.
Haha the “market demands” what the corporations promote and reviewers praise… that’s how marketing works.
Sony could easily have put 36mp FF EVF inside a33 size body and had much better ergonomics and lens compatibility from the start, and the reviewers and market would have praise their glory to the heavens forever.
But Noooooooooooooooo… Sony decides instead to KILL the flash system and make everyone lose investment in batteries, chargers, accessories, and third party compatibility.
The market never demanded THAT!
Yeah and pigs can fly…
If Sony makes an A to E adapter with no mirror that doesn’t slow down the reactivity of the autofocus of the camera, I have no matter with the death of the A-mount.
Ain’t gonna happen, you need the mirror to get the same level of CAF
What does CAF stand for????? (Continuous Auto Focus????) Please explain.
It took just 4 years to go from NEX-3 to A6000.
4 years. From shit to matching non-pro SLRs that have had decades of development. Not sure what the people who still thinks the mirrorless CAF won’t be good enough after another year or two are smoking.
I don’t think the old A-mount lens can AF fast in CDAF.
Although the new SSM II lens may works.
That’s the point. The adapter manual says AF takes several seconds (!) longer.
+1 Because I have a room full of great A-mount glass. Sony needs to provide a way for me to use that glass if they expect me to buy another camera body from them.
IMPORTANT: may i use cold water instead of grain of salt ?
or just to wait for FE 24-105 f4 ?
Can I suggest you take both and hydrate? It will help against the headache sony is giving us.
actually (to me) sounds nice — Sony, Sigma, Tamron will make more lenses for E-mount and none for A-mount… but is it true? cuz there is no FE lenses from Sigma & Tamron and almost no FE lenses from Sony 🙂 at least there is no FE 24-105/4 🙂
If Sony really want E mount to be the future they neet to ge serious with lens selection…not just lots of lenses but LENS SELECTION.
“Oh wonderfull another 55mm” thats all I seem to hear for E mount.
How many of the same common everyday focal lengths do we need…I know..this one is even better than the last one…they are all good who cares anymore…
The one plus I will give Sony is the new 90mm macro to be released..but now they need to address the giant long lens hole.
The big thing in long lenses seems to be the 150-600 lenses..
Nothing of that sort for E mount either by Sony or anyone else.
Sony..if you want me to buy an E mount heres what it will take..
600mm-ish zoom with good close focus,of good guality and reasonable cost…perhaps 300-600 f 4.8 or 5.6 at around $3000-3500. And a good 1.4x teleconverter.
The current Sigma Sport 150-600 would be sufficient if availalable….but its not.
That plus the new 90mm macro are the most important staples for wildlife birds etc.
The Staple of many wildlife photographers is the Canon 600mm f4 prime.
While this is too heavy and pricey for me it is the recognized gold standard for wildlife photography.
Lastly a long telemacro.. say 150-200ish…or even a 150 -300 f4 macro zoom would fill out the kit for the well equiped wildlife photographer.
Mayby you wont have the screaming hordes of snapshooter/groupies fienting at the sight of these cameras….but how can anyone take the a mount system seriosly when it totally, absolutely excludes such an important class of photographers.
Mayby the numbers dont add up for instant corporate financial gratification..but thats the reason for the huge gap between Canikon and Sony..they care more about integrety and creating a system first, so the customrs come to them…Sony only cares about grabbing the easy customers now and the heck with developing real system to support them.
And Canikon is not the only competition.
Theres plenty of little guys out there that are really good at putting out a few less expensive products with some good specs and scooping up those easy masses of snapshooters…don’t turn your back on Samsung.
The most interest thing about that to me is that they would rather make 77mm lenses than 49mm and 52mm because it’s convenient for videographers? That seems completely contrary to everything we’ve heard about the idea of the A7 being more compact and portable.
Let’s hope every upcoming FE lens isn’t 77mm.
Are any E-Mounts 77mm??
I am not certain that filter size is really driven by video. Smaller lens designs are much harder to make and still tame those wild corners.
I still think it is about an engineering trade off than a pure convenience choice.
That’s reasonable enough. And I know designing lenses for the short flange distance adds its own complications. I would just hate to see them “stick with” a 77mm as a sort of standard, especially for the convenience of filters. The upcoming 35mm, though, certainly fits that idea — pretty sizeable lens, and a stepless aperture option on the body. It seems like they are gearing towards lenses being larger and very much usable for still and for video.
Loxia it is.
Amen to that. Each night a say a little prayer to the ghost of Carl Zeiss that the 50 1.4 and 35 1.4 Loxia are coming out this year.
Any chance we can expect the A7RII?
I suspect your will see an A7rII before an A9. I want to beleive the A9 will have a none Bayer sensor
Not so fast… I am not certain they will push the MP count much further. The corners of the A7r are already pushing the limits. Maybe, maybe we see something with thinner cover glass, etc. but I suspect we see A9 first.
If the A9 is meant as a pro camera wouldn’t it make sense to premier new technology like a stacked sensor in this camera and charge a premium. I suspect Andrea knows much more than they are able to say just now.
Clear: When there is no new FF A-mount camaera, the will also not sell A-mount lenses!
Clear: Doubling down on a losing proposition is lunacy.
Sony seems to be using the tried and tested “self-fulfilling prophecy” approach to kill A-mount. They’re promoting the hell out of E-mount, 90% of their development work and new product are for E-mount. They all but ignore A-mount. Then they’re “surprised” that A-mount only accounts for 20% of sales. Wow! What a surprise! It’s interesting that almost all A-mount cameras being sold are A-99s. I suspect that’s the pro market talking, but is Sony listening? I doubt it.
There is still nothing to offer an entire class of wildlife shooters.
While I applaud the new 90mm macro..there is absolutely NOT A SINGLE LONG LENS by either Sony or anyone else for E mount..
The wildlife gold standard is the Canon 600mm f4 prime.
While this is a bit heavy and expensive for me a 300-600f5.6 or 4.8 at about $3000-3500 would be a lens I would buy..plus it would get me to buy an E mount camera.
A 150 or 200mm macro or even a 100-300 macro plus a couple of teleconverters would complete a well equiped wildlife kit.
Certainly Canikon would never dream of totally leaving out an entire class of wildlife photographers like Sony.
And the little guys like Samsung..can make a few cheap cameras with good specs for the snapshooter/groupies that seem to be all Sony cares about.
“there is absolutely NOT A SINGLE LONG LENS”
I couldn’t agree more. If Sony really want to relegate Canon and Nikon then this, together with the best AF, is an absolute must and remains something of a mystery why they haven’t done more.
It may well be that, directly, it can be argued not to be a money-spinner, given that sales numbers might be relatively small, but there is a reason why Canon and Nikon are so highly regarded and it is mostly on account of their presence in the sports/journalist world.
For Sony to make strides in that market would be worth all their other advertising revenue put together! It might look great having nice ads with frozen bubbles, but people’s perception doesn’t work like that.
Give us the best AF and lenses for all uses and then Sony can really rule the roost.
I agree that a 300/400/600mm oss e mount lenses should be on the list soon. But there are numerous other commonly used lenses that should come out first. I could only imagine shooting photos/video at 80000 iso w/ the a7s, with a super long lens on the plains of Africa in near darkness under nothing but moonlight….amazing….
I see no reason why Sony would go after the wildlife market. Sports and wildlife are so deeply won by Canon and Nikon that diverting R&D money to making exotic long lenses would be foolish for them right now.
All the ‘Company X should cater my my personal needs’ whining in the world won’t change that.
Perhaps when the core FE lineup is complete, they may create one long lens.
A-mount land is a ghost town and the well is poisoned. Don’t sit around waiting for a miracle there. Move on.
If Sony should not go after sport and wildlife because they are so deeply won by Canikon…then for the same reason they should not go after the journalism or pro market either.
Of course Samsung will take over the snapshooter market soon with cheaper cameras and good specs..but little selecton..
So Sony should therefore by your logic not go after that marked either..that doesnt leave enough marked anymore..so Sony should take the easy way out and get out of photography completely…great logic Bart
I kind of like that logic, so they will stick to what they do best: electronic components.
I just want to make it clear .. that manager “X” is not me.
Thank you
I know 😉
a99 most selled A-mount camera? BS! A58 is a bestseller in Europe comparable to a200.
“X” it’s not a manager, it’s an E-mount troll. :/
E-Mount trolls have made their inroads into the Sony board, it seems.
Any proof, that the “X” manager really exists?
Doubt the a58 is a huge seller. But the a77ii is certainly currently outselling the a99. Perhaps the manager meant total revenue — as the a99 costs much more, it generates more revenue with less units. Or perhaps the manager was talking about the 2014 total, and the a77ii came in mid-year.
Yes, I guess A77 outsell A99 as well.
Either the manager is simply wrong, or we need more context. (Revenue or units? Time frame?)
I don’t have doubts, because I know this from Sony employee, who have access to market sales statistics (not only Sony sales, but the whole camera market, maked by 3rd party professional company).
A-Mounts aren’t selling because Sony gave zero marketing to their amazing SLTs since the 1st-gen A77.
Now, FEs are obviously no replacements for DSLRs at the moment. It’s a very niche market, which Sony own because they are the only ones there.
Now, those Tamron/Sigma news are interesting. Since Sony is obviously run by midgets who can’t hold a proper camera, maybe 3rd party manufacturers can produce those FE 24-70 and 70-200 f/2.8 lenses? Coupled with A6000-type AF, that could make FE somewhat usable (although a proper SLT with a big body would still be preferable).
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“A-mount sales are just enough to cover initial development costs.”
So, when A9 with IBIS + fast AF come out, a portion of A-mount users move to E-mount.
Then, A-mount sales will not able to covert the development costs,
Means, A-mount will eventually ……
E-mount gets 90% of the marketing. They get 90% of the retail floor space. (In my local Best Buy stores, the huge Sony Alpha sections only carry e-mount, so it’s 100% of the floor space). E-mount gets 90% of the new body and lens releases. (Last 18 months, 1 a-mount and I believe 7 e-mounts ). It’s actually surprising that a-mount still holds 20% of the sales.
The A mount is just 2 cameras strong. A99 and A77 II. If Sony is expecting people to still buy into a system with just 2 running cameras then they are crazy !
It’s actually smart. Nikon & Canon only have a couple current professional DSLR bodies each as well. Unlike Nikon & Canon, Sony moved it’s amateur targeted cameras to E-mount. Makes no sense in this market to be producing a bunch of low end amateur A-mount bodies.
Sony said new A-mount cameras are coming, and I believe them. I believe with the next refresh there will likely be two (2) Full Frame bodies added to the system with the new 5-axis IBIS and much faster AF, extended or unlimited buffer, etc.
Are you saying the current A mount bodies are “professional”?
Absolutely. Most Canon professional photographers don’t use the 1Dx, they use the 5D Mark III.
The A99 is absolutely a professional body. Like the 5D Mark III, however, it was not designed for sports.
I agree, it is a pro/semi-pro body. Fantastic camera. An excellent professional camera for wedding photographers, etc. But it’s 2 1/2 years old, without any replacement or upgrade in sight soon. It’s high ISO performance seriously lags every other full frame camera currently on the market. When they released the A99, they claimed they would also be releasing new full frame A-mount lenses…. Not a single “new” A-mount lens since the A99 was released, only some minor SSM–>SSM2 and coating upgrades.
For most professionals currently in the market today, it would be hard to see a huge draw to the A99.
The ZA 50/1.4 wasnt new?
It was the last truly new a-mount lens… Introduced in late 2012. So ok, technically that was shortly after the a99. And no more since then.
“professionals” like you, perhaps…
What you’re missing — Sony is also moving it’s professional market towards E-mount. Look at Jason Lanier who got himself named a Sony Artisan, who made a big deal of switching from Nikon to Sony E-mount for his professional work. 5 years ago, the strategy was amateurs to E-mount, professionals and enthusiasts to A-mount… That strategy has clearly changed. Back then, E-mount cameras were marketed as “NEX,” they had lousy P&S-dummy menu systems, they had no full frame, and they only had kit-type lenses. Now, E-mount is marketed as THE Alpha dSLR, they adopted the more professional A-mount menu system, they released multiple E-mount full frame cameras, they released premium “G” and Zeiss lenses, they announced professional support that covers all of Alpha, and they are actively recruiting professionals to shoot E-mount.
5 years ago, the marketing for E-mount was basically “dSLR quality with P&S ease” — The new marketing is basically — This is from their website, and it’s what they say about the A7 and the A99, so this is what they now say about the E-mount and the A-mount:
“Advanced technologies and capabilities for the working professional in the field or the studio who demand the best.”
Yeah, that makes sense. Professionals don’t go to Best Buy to buy their cameras. They go to camera shops, and if they don’t have a decent one, they order on line from B&H or Adorama.
If you ever come to NY and visit B&H (the world’s largest camera store), Sony A-mount is very well represented.
I live in New York. First off, we aren’t talking about just professionals — we are talking about the entire marketplace. If an ordinary consumer in the suburbs or outside of NY, decides to go camera shopping, they won’t even know that Sony A-mount is an option.
Secondly, let’s not pretend that A-mount is a professional product. While there are some amazing professionals shooting A-mount, for the most part, professionals have always steered towards CaNikon for professional support and vast lens lineups. There were amusing images of the World Cup, sponsored by Sony… all the professional sports photographers had to wear Sony Alpha logos, but they were all shooting with Canon and Nikon. But regardless, professionals are a small part of the market. A successful camera system has to sell to all levels of consumers.
Still Photography dedicated gear is (almost) dead!! The Market provides now versatile products made to cover all the identified needs, when it is not just creating the need!
…And covering all those needs poorly, and make up for it with web marketing.
Basically: A-mount is dead, we are focusing on E-mount from here on and out.
Basically it’s FUD.
Dead.
Would you invest your own money into the system which “sales are just enough to cover initial development costs”?
Why would customers buy into a mount barely supported by Sony ?
I have plenty of A mount lenses but I see no future in the system. I bought a A7 and an adapter to use my A mount lenses and the solution is far from ideal.
Ill probably shift out once Nikon or Canon make a camera I like. Don’t wish to buy more stuff from a company that doesn’t support its customers.
How does the adapter perform?
AF speed is OK. No comparison to a proper DSLR like a D810 or a 5d mk 3. Those are leagues ahead. But otherwise its a bit faster and pretty accurate for my needs.
The AF point spread is pathetic but manual focus is pretty easy with focus peaking even with f1.4 lenses.
Overall I am very happy with the IQ but not so much with the AF performance. Hope they come up with a better AF adapter in future.
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Praline Resting?
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Shopkeeper No, no – it’s just resting!
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Yep, such arrogant behavior is their mark and what keeps so many Canon users suffering with Canons outdated technology rather than trust a company like Sony.
Only Canon sensors aren’t very good. Their AF speed, tracking capability, build quality, JPEG quality etc are of their pro cameras are all much better than any Sony camera.
Their image processors also start to lag behind everybody recently. Ergonomics of their serious cameras, with the lack of a proper of thumb wheel and use of the wheel under the BASE of a user’s thumb is also terrible. CDAF is broken.
Starting out now I would not be looking at Sony, mostly because there are no Sony dSLR/SLT advertisements and nothing in stores. I simply would not know about the A77II/A99 at all. Is it any wonder that they don’t sell as well as NEX?
Does anyone have an insight on what could be rationale for Sony to update A-mount lenses for better video ?
Sony are obsessed with video.
The world is obsessed with video, which is great for my business!
Money. Presumably many A99 owners use it for video, and so there’s is a market for A99 video lenses?
Because all the A-mount lens will eventually use on a E-mount camera
E-mount camera is designed for both still & video.
I read a lot of users of Sony FS7 pro video camera have said the A-mount lenses are preferred because of the mechanical aperture control, and certain adapters add a ring to control it manually. Not sure if that has anything to do with it.
To me, the A-mount system seems much more photography focused, and increasingly targeting sports photography with faster SSM II and weather sealed lenses, and some of the fastest AF available right now.
That’s true because The A-mount was designed by Minolta and not the Cybershot Division of Sony! Minolta= Pro thinking Cybershot= Consumer thinking
I just cannot believe that the A99 is the most sold A-mount camera.
It actually makes perfect sense because the DSLR market is now market for Pros.
It’s nonsense and it’s against market statistics. Simply a lie.
Why? A99 is really great camera.
A Mercedes SLK is a really great car, must be the most sold Mercedes.
A99 is no professional camera – blabla – canon has better and mor lenses – blabla – nikon has better high iso – blabla.
Latter two comments are admitedly true, but that’s not the point.
Go and get an A99 and do shooting, and you’ll find out that your judgement is BS.
With ZA or G lenses attached it is able to produce outstanding IQ.
It depends on the guy behind the the camera…
I have done almost 150 wedding for 2 years with my a99.
a99 will be a great camera if it’s born with BIONZ-X but not the old BIONZ.
150 in 2 years – wow, that’s much work. 🙂
As always it is a little bit of a personal perspective.
Considering your workload, I agree of course, that every bit of a time you can save in your workflow is important to you.
Do you relate to stills shooting or to videographing?
For mine is wedding videography, my partners use it for photography.
May I ask what the probelm is – related to the videography?
For both videography and photography.
Button response time, saving memory are too slow with BIONZ.
150 in 2 years means you aren’t charging enough and you offer a poor service
Its not based on performance. It’s anecdotic but I was thinking of pulling the trigger and wanted to get my hands on one but could not find one anywhere in Budapest, Hungary. The Sony store did not even want to try to get one and were not sure that there was one ever sold in the country. I went to Brussels in August and had to call over half a dozen shops to find one that had an a99 in stock. Anyway …
Everyone, quit freaking out & spreading misinformation.
The DSLR market changed permanently and in this day & age, there is no reason for am amateur to buy one. They shoot increasingly with their cell phones, so selling a bulky, heavy body is a tough proposition. Sony knows this, and that’s why E-mount is so successful.
However, there is still a need for full sized bodies because they balance better with long lenses for shooting sports. Also, more space inside the body means more electronics can fit inside, so there’s always going to be an advantage there from battery life to other features.
Sure, a professional portrait photographer or landscape photographer can get buy with an E-mount body, but they simply aren’t up to par with A-mount for sports. Even Sony’s fastest AF E-mount body, A6000, doesn’t stand a chance next to Sony’s fastest A-mount body, A77II.
This coupled with Sony’s large array of lenses from 16mm fisheye to 500mm, with many F2.8 lenses compared to the slow F4 lineup for E-mount, and the choice is obvious for professionals.
This is why Sony says repeatedly that they are supporting BOTH systems, and I believe them, but A-mount will continue for professionals, only. This means less bodies and less updates, but the updates will be more substantial.
We will all see new A-mount full frame bodies & lenses this year.
So if Sony make “full sized bodies” E-mount camera with 5-axis IBIS
and
put the A77ii AF module in the new A-E Adapter.
I’m sure they will put the A77II module in a new AE adapter and hope to sell more A-mount glass to the E-mount user base, but professionals don’t like or want adapters because it creates another point for potential failure.
Furthermore, making a bulky E-mount body defeats the main benefit of E-mount to begin with: high image quality in a lightweight, compact body.
Probably you can’t put that module in AF adapter… vertical coverage is too big (thats why in LAEA4 we have a65 and not a77 AF).
IMHO, the main benefit of E-mount is it can attach Cankon lens though adapter.
If there is a demand for larger body, better balance for large lens,
longer battery life, larger buffer size, higher quality EVF, dual card slots, etc. then no reason Sony will not make one.
There are already huge E-mount bodies (videocams), just making several large E-mount bodies does not prevent other ones to be small.
It’s already been done It’s called an A77m2!
Please don’t tell us what we need, I am sure “amateurs” can figure that out themselves. The amount of bugs, the flawed mount design, the slow responsiveness and autofocus do not speak well about the E mount. “Amateurs” does not mean “beginners”.
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Why the f..k is Sony not able to built the same filter size for the usual set uwa-zoom/standard-zoom/tele-zoom?
1635FE and 70200FE have 72mm, the 2470FE 67mm.
For my Lee Set I don’t care, because it is just the adaptor ring.
But the ones purchasing HQ pol and ND are screwed for about 300 bucks.
That is actually better with the A-mount system. On top of the “standard-zoom-set” the 70400G2 and the 135/1.8 have 77mm. That’s budget friendly. 🙂
Yes, the best glass and selection is with A-mount, and it’s not going anywhere. Pros still need A-mount for a number of reasons.
35 2.8 and 55 1.8 with 49mm filter thread!! Would love that all the upcoming FE lenses for the A7 line will be at 49mm!! 😉
Bought a tiffen and Sing ray pol + ND 82mm years ago, still use those with step down rings, but it is not ideal. Really wish Sony would have picked one size. Not even for budget reasons just to keep things practical.
A-Mount what? They are still flogging that dead horse?
The reality is E-mount makes it easier to switch because you can use your old lenses. The killer problem with the A mount has always been the flange distance.
GO TO THE STORE….GRAB A JAR OF VASELINE…AND LUBE UP YOUR ASSS…..A MOUNT IS FUUUUUUUUUCKED……THANKS SONY
Did you eat the hulks brain?
Sorry, knee jerk reaction to the above thread. 20% sales, no longer on store shelves, no sign of camera announcement….still SLT when big DSLR owners rather have OVF. Warmed over lenses, no wide Zeiss below 24mm, overpriced 70-200 2.8 and 50mm 1.4 I got hosed on. Should I continue? It’s a great system that is being fuucked up by Sony. Sony is absolutely destroying what up till a few years ago I believe was the best and most promising system on the market.
I totally agree! I sell cameras for a living (28 years) and if Sony had just put 10% of the effort into the A-mount as The E mount they would be owning the market!
It does look like the guy way to break up: be a total dick and hope they just leave so you don’t have to say it is over… I’m afraid I came to Sony from Canon so I’m very happy with whatever sony has to offer, especially because I’m doing 80% video and 20% photography. A7S, A6000 and FS7 is a great switch from eosM, 5DIII, C3000. Ok the C300 has a fantastic image but weird ergonomics and I hate fly by wire lenses.
At least the fs7 comes with a real eng style kit lens. As for the A-mount, how long has it been around? If it didn’t get the interest it deserved I’m afraid it is just another betamax / Laserdisc: great system, worst PR. Maybe with something like the A9 they can finally make a true hybrid A-E bridge camera, or not, who knows…
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Yes, im jumping the A mount ship to E mount.
I was lucky to win some money in the lottery and I finally got the funds to go FF (current camera A580). The decision choosing between A or E mount was made easy with the new A7II.
The possible A9 would be a nice option, but a too long wait for me 😛
I don’t see any future for A mount in the long term and even short term period. Why buy a A99 that is almost 3 years old and overpriced compared to the A7 series.
“Why buy a A99 that is almost 3 years old and overpriced compared to the A7 series.”
Because fly-by-wire focus sucks.
Because little batteries with short life suck.
Because lens adapters suck.
Because crippled LCD movements suck.
Because big lenses on tiny cameras suck.
Preach it.
And because E-mount was designed by Retards!
Haha A-Mount IS NOT, I repeat, IS NOT going away.
Without A-Mount, there would be no big pro glass available for E-Mount. Sony isn’t going to make 300/2.8, 500/4, or any of the f2.8 Zooms for E-Mount. They won’t make the super fast long primes for E-Mount either. Not for a very long time, if ever.
Not many serious CaNikon pros will jump fully into E-Mount without a decent collection of fast native lenses. Adapting lenses will only last until CaNikon release their own version of FF EVF cameras. Then Sony’s temporary victory will be dethroned, as CaNikon converts return home to the land of native function with NO adapters. Poor Sony… Can’t see past next week.
So A-mount lenses aren’t dead…
Therefor, A-Mount cameras aren’t dead either…
Depending on what type of user you are, you could almost say they are already dead. 1 camera body in the last 18 months… no truly new lenses in 2+ years… It’s “walking dead”
You do realize that if A-Mount dies, then E-Mount dies too. A-Mount is the only thing bringing respect and pro expansion potential to the Alpha brand. Without it, NEX would be eaten by Samsung.
All rather mute. CaNikon will release their FF EVF soon enough. Then we’ll see a rash of “Why I returned to CaNikon” videos. And poor Mr. Fong will go back to selling tupperware.
Samsung is nowhere in the game, just like A-mount. Let A-mount die. E-mount is the future. A-mount lenses will be will be obsolete.
So A-mount is dead…
Sony is going to make 2470 F2.8 for E-mount for sure, and longer lenses coming next when the OSPD AF tech matures . Say good bye to your A-mount lenses…
Because people shoot E-mount and they want native E-mount.
So what he really said was
– “A-Mount is soon dead. Long live E-Mount” 🙂
That is ok. But HEY! Where is the RX10 APS-C sensor size camera? I am still waiting.
“6) There will be new and “updated” A-mount lenses that will mainly focus on improving the lens usefulness in video.”
Wasnt there some guy who kept posting sony was making billions in profit from selling a mount cameras? And that was the sole basis for the future of a mount. Oops
BWRAT or Mad Maxxum I would guess. Where are they these days?
Sony… SELL A-Mount to Samyang… NOW PLEASE!
Or wait… forget that. The patent is up… Samyang should just start making A-Mount cameras, no frills, no fancy pants… Just put at 36mp inside a900 and call it a STAR!
SAMount FOREVER!
5) A-mount sales are just enough to cover initial development costs. While the money is coming from E-mount.
Wouldn’t be that way if Sony would support and market A-Mount properly. A-Mount would be top of the heap had Sony installed 36mp three years ago instead of giving Nikon the best sensor in three different versions.
In the worst situation about a-mount bodies….even if Sony stops making a-mount cameras, I don’t see a problem switching over to e-mount FF even though I have thousands of dollars invested in a-mount glass. As long as the size of the FF e-mount cameras is reasonable (like the a7ii) and have ibis, I’ll have no problem switching over.
I want to believe this. I can’t stand my A mount glass on the A7. Even the Zeiss 50mm 1.4 is to huge. Any modern glass is too freaking huge. The loxia are to niche for the price. I have hopes for the A7II and maybe an adapter. But come on, that itch to switch is going to hit you and you’ll ditch that glass. Maybe keep the 135mm..that one I wouldn’t part with…but the 50mm 1.4 zeiss is turning into a paper weight for me.
That’s why all the “small, light” mirrorless cameras like E-M1 and X-T1 have additional grip kits.
My Olympus system is more complete than either of Sony’s two mount offerings…and yet at a fraction of the price. HOW THE HELLL IS THIS. Either ditch the A mount and start rapid pumping out the faster FE lenses or get the A train back on. Either way, stop diicking around.
Side question: When you compare the a-mount zeiss 50mm or 135mm on a99/a900/a850 compared to the same lens adapted on A7. A) is there any detriment to quality (overall sharpness loss due to adapter tolerances? B) Is there any difference in actually real world focal length/bokeh due to adapter distance to sensor? sincerely curious.
I can’t tell the difference. Sharpness, nope…no loss/no gain. There are still a900 files I have were I go…holy crap…I can’t believe how sharp that is. I can’t tell any difference in bokeh either. I can tell a difference in dynamic range and ISO performance. However, I swear Sony A7 bakes those files even with NR off.
I stare at my photo’s at 300 percent all the time. I can’t tell AT ALL any difference in sharpness. I also think the whole “adapter is detrimental” thing is way out in left field. I can’t replicate whatever these people are talking about. I shoot almost every day.
Well that is good to hear . I still want a new Amount full frame as I’m sure many do.
About “Baking the files” I have no experience with A7 files but it might be worth trying to zero the threshold for noise reduction and 0 threshold for sharpening, depending on your RAW converter, also maybe try a different RAW converter.
Well that is good to hear.
About the file cooking. I have no experience with a7 files but it might be worth it to make sure the noise reduction threshold is set to zero as well as the sharpening threshold. Also try different RAW processors . I’ve noticed smearing with a900 files even between RAW processor releases (they try to show “look even less noise!!!” but really it’s just smearing and blotching.
I suggest that you try first. Check out moving targets, in particular.
E-mount AF for sports is a joke vs A-mount.
Are you absolutely sure about that?
http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Sony_Alpha_A6000/index.shtml#focus
I’m curious, have you tried shooting sports with E-mount? It’s not even close to the A77II or even A99, for that matter!
I’m not talking about the current a7 series camera. If Sony were to drop the a-mount system, they’re going to more than likely have a better AF system.
The A6000 is a good camera for sports. Better than the A77/A99 – the tracking really wasn’t much to shout about with those cameras.
Sony a6000, 50mm 1.8.
hahahaha…
Sony has not been supportive of ther A-mount for quite a while now – it’s been long since that day when Sony announced about 4 A-mount bodies in a single day, which was a mistake BTW -, then A-mount has poor sales because, well, nobody wants to buy a system that is not receiving proper support by the manufacturer, right? And soon enough Sony is going to use that as a justification to not support A-mount at all. LOL.
Psychotherapists call that “Gaslighting”.
When a psychopath attempts to make everyone else feel like they’re going crazy. They create a problem, and justify their actions upon the problem they created, all the while blaming others for the problem.
Yeah, in this case, they will indirectly blame the consumer for not buying enough A-mount stuff so they can keep it going… hahaha…
That’s the most interesting thing I’ve read here. Shame it has zilch to do with cameras but it’s still interesting
DSLT cameras are quite good and reliable bodies, so A-mount won’t just disappear. Sony didn’t market DSLT with A-mount Lens combo very well. It had the innovation of mirrorless with maturity of A-mount. Such a shame.
A-mount is not selling because what is there to sell?
I got money burning for A-mount between A58 and A77. I’m waiting, waiting, waiting.. Like to spent but can’t spent (A77 to bulky/heavy).
It no longer is a matter of support in terms of A mount. Minolta supported their MD line for about another 7 years after the A mount was released. It’s a matter of what do you want? We are talking real money here folks. No one…NO ONE is going to pump money into a system on its way out.
We have only two full frame cameras in over 8 years of Sony A mount. ONE current option. ONE!!!!!!!! It’s absolutely insane to have one option in this market.
System is on way out BECAUSE no one is supporting it. Don’t put cart before horse.
IF a99 had 36mp sensor, and Nikon didn’t, then a99 and A-Mount would be on top of worlds. Instead, Sony decides to intentionally cripple A-Mount, and give OUR COMPETITORS the best sensor. That’s the loyalty all new Sony converts can expect. Sony betrays her own children. She will again, so warn our CaNikon friends that converting comes at a cost.
I used to believe in fairytales as well. Sony could have released a camera that pooped golden nuggets and they wouldn’t have won the DSLR market. It’s not their fault – the investment required was too high and far too risky with dominant competitors.
Accept it, move on.
And 2 full frames in 8 years is pretty much about right for a development cycle. The Canon 5D was two generations from 2005 to 2012.
True, Canon’s update between 5D Mark II and 5D Mark III were incremental when compared to Sony A900 and A99, in which the A99 was an entirely different beast.
It had loads of little updates actually and some big updates, making a huge update
You don’t know much about cameras do you? Are you in marketing?
There was no way to use the MD lenses on a-mount cameras however, which was kind of poor planning given that there would be no loss of lens function if they were made to adapt to a-mount. With the a7II and Sony adapters, there is now no loss of function simply a change in ergonomics. If Sony decides to produce an a77-2 SLT adapter with full frame coverage, it would make for a pretty great modular system.
“We have only two full frame cameras in over 8 years of Sony A mount.”
I count three. The 900, the 850, and the 99. We are still waiting for an 88.
Sony needs to decide whether it is a seller of cameras, sensors or a complete system.
Sony decided to sell joysticks that can be adapted to any lens.
We all, eventually, outgrow joysticks.
Well, i think this is coming from an e-mount troll. 😉
A-Mount do not sell because there is no bodies, or do not have bodies why not sell?
Last time I checked, Sony was selling bodies for A-Mount. Incremental changes or gizmos aren’t going to cause a big sales turnaround.
What he means is Sony killed the bottom amateur A-mount line up, and the Prosumer E-mount line-up consists of 4 bodies right now (5 if you included A6000) vs 2 A-mount bodies.
However, I don’t think Sony expects A-mount to outsell E-mount, but they continue to support it because it still sells, and there is still a need for A-mount.
Sure, one day there might be a good amount large aperture lenses for E-mount, but it takes years to develop lenses, and Sony may not go the long lens route for E-mount, simply because E-mount customers tend to be very different from A-mount customers.
Bart, I don’t expect you to understand being a longtime Leica user. E-mount is perfect for your needs.
However, I wouldn’t be caught dead shooting a football (soccer) match with an E-mount body. It makes zero sense. On sensor PDAF came a long way but is still nowhere close to the proven dedicated PDAF which has developed over decades. The huge advantage of SLT A-mount over E-mount is you get the best of both worlds and Sony combines in-sensor PDAF with the dedicated sensor. I’m excited to see the next implementation of this!
Leica Boss – still a must have lens ? Not even close.
It should be clear to everyone that A-mount is on life support. All the excitement is with e-mount. Looks like most of the profits are coming from e-mount. SLT was an interesting side note – but it is clear that completely mirrorless is the future. On sensor PDAF and much improved contrast detect algorithms and processor speed are making SLT irrelevant. Oh, and BTW – you get an IQ boost by removing the translucent mirror.
Love the A99 – but keep the body and features – and just remove the mirror – then perfect (oh and make it e-mount with a-mount adapter).
If you remove the mirror, you will loose the benefit of a dedicated Phase Detection AF sensor which still out performs on-sensor AF for sports tracking.
This is why A-mount still exists, and why Sony is continuing to develop and support it.
but lets face it – if someone is in need of super AF capabilities – they will shoot a canon or Nikon – for the moment – until on-sensor systems come up to speed. It is what it is. Sony should just accept that role. A-mount is just too far behind in terms of users and market acceptance to make a dent in pro shooters who need super AF abilities. A99 and future pro-market A-mount is a losing battle.
Look Sony should be happy about where they are with e-mount. Mirrorless is CLEARLY the future. It is only a matter of time until on-sensor AF systems meet, then surpass the capabilities of dedicated PD modules. So Sony only needs to wait it out – they will win in the end. They will win it ALL. They will have great mirrorless systems of bodies and lenses – and when on-sensor AF surpasses PD modules – they will have the AF war won too. It is just a matter of time.
Yes, I hope so,
But not sure when will on-sensor AF surpasses PD modules,
especially under low light situation.
Well – no one knows when. But what we do know is that it will eventually happen. But I would say at the current rate of advancement it should not be terribly long. 3 years max.
It won’t. It’s physically not possible. Dedicated AF sensors receive more light (it’s focused from a larger portion of the image), so they have inherited advantage over the on-sensor AF, and as cameras get more and more Megapixels – OSPDAF sensors become smaller and smaller making it more and more difficult to focus in low-light.
Just a while ago, many people said FF e-mount + IBIS is physical impossible. 😛
Each OSPDAF point use a line of green pixels, not one.
Therefore, use larger number of pixels can compensate the smaller pixel size.
Also, organic sensor / stack sensor, each pixel gain 3 times sensitive than current unefficient bayer sensor.
Sony is going to go the way of the future with E-mount. A-mount is very awesome, but when you look at polls & what is actually selling, most consumers want E-mount.
We definitely know that Sony is not a non-profit organization, so guess where they’re going to dump their money to please their investors? You got it Toyota.
Even though A-mount lenses & bodies will be around for a long while, the CaNikon crowd is not going to jump ship for A-mount anytime soon. I can see more of them jumping ship to E-mount, though. If A-mount is going high end, most people are not going to want to dump their money into something that Sony is being silent about. It’s almost like Sony is deliberately trying to get rid of the A-mount by making it higher end. Not to mention that a lot of 3rd party developers are more interested in developing stuff for the E-mount. The future of the A-mount is not looking too good.
Nothing about me?? 🙁
if your AF is better than the A6000 & you are priced right, you have the possibility of attracting a lot of new consumers that were thinking of picking up a Canon, Nikon, Pentax, or Sony APS-C DSLR or DSLT. Heck, you’ll even get a lot of other mirrorless consumers as well.
Hold on! According to a lot of the ‘experts’ on here mirrorless cameras aren’t REAL cameras!!! 😉
They are good enough for your brick walls, sunny boy.
Oh dear, you sound like another ‘pro’ using your gear as a penis substitute… 😉
No not yet, but I can tell you about the future. We will win the war 🙂
If Sony actually did more with amount then they would sell more, and take away the stupid high prices on some of the lenses.
A99iis 12mp, expanded a77 af system, GPs,wifi, fat buffer, 5ibis
a78 24mp no low pass, 5ibis, GPs etc
a99Rii 36mp, 5ibis GPs etc
touchscreen on all
Extra scroll wheels on all
Chuck in a 400mm 4.5 prime
Oh look I’ve just made 3 best in class cameras out of the parts bin. I wonder if they would sell 😐
I have my suspicions the af firmware update for the a77 mk2 was so the a6000 could grab headlines vs a slowed down a77 :/ on launch
As with all these posts, there is endless hoping and hand-wringing, but most is aimed in the wrong direction.
As I see it, there can’t ever be a one-size-fits-all body, simply as we are all different in size, shape, and preferences. However, if there was one body, that had superb battery life, IBIS, the fastest and most accurate AF, very low noise at high ISO, and a full range of fast lenses from ultra-wide to super-tele, I doubt anyone would have much of an issue!
So ultimately, whether it be A mount or E mount, we want pretty much the same thing.
The one fly in the ointment, however, that can’t and shouldn’t be overlooked, is that many people have a large investment in A mount glass. If Sony can successfully address that while producing the camera I suggest, then we will be able to see the last of threads like this!
No, there will always be someone who will bitch and moan, as whatever is offered won’t meet some criteria that’s specific to what that particular person shoots… 😉
How does a larger filter make a lens more practical for video usage? I’ve shot stills and video for years and never once have I thought “Oh this lens wont do for vide, filter size is too small” Can someone enlighten me?
I think it’s because for most rigs you want to have a common set of parameters for all lenses so that you don’t need to swich your whole rig around when you switch lenses. Therefore they probably are going for a larger filter diameter to be compatible with as many lenses as possible.
It’s vaguely related to filter sets in landscape (still) photography.
Generally, cinema lens sets are kept to the same sizes to make it more practical to swap lenses in and out of a rig.
Sorry, to Aaron Ashley,
Amongst other things, vignetting. Larger filters mean less vignetting, although I’m not sure how difficult it is to correct in post these days.
Oh dear. Is that a guess? If it doesn’t vignette for stills, it won’t vignette for video.
It’s about the rigs used for video. If you don’t know the answer, why bother? Is it because you want to look clever, because it doesn’t.
What is your problem? You seriously need to seek help for your trolling.
I don’t want to ‘look clever’, but I do try to help. You, on the other hand, always succeed in being an idiot.
How is giving someone the wrong answer helping them? Like I said, if you don’t know the answer, why give someone the wrong information?
I’m afraid you’re the only one looking like an idiot here.
Regarding point 3 – ie that e-mount is selling much better than A mount in his region…
I think this might be just that region. When we started this years version of the equipment poll on Dyxum (http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/topic110833_page1.html), I was expecting there to be lots of a7 variants cropping up – however, they are outnumbered by almost 2:1 by a99 users.
Now – the poll is of course, self selecting and the a7 users might come out of the woodwork as soon as I write this…
Well… it’s Dyxum. People who’re actually using their cameras to shoot don’t upgrade frequently. It’ll take some time until the Dyxum numbers reflect the current market (if at all. Maybe those people will stick to A-mount). Most probably, most people visiting sites like this or dpreview, or the many other gear sites out there don’t even know that Dyxum exists.
Yes, I came out of the woodwork, but you have to realize that the sample size is relatively small.
I wonder what would be the result if the same poll was posted here on SAR.
I looking for A6000 from time it was announced. Finally camera with at least adequate AF. However, longest lens in the range is 55-210mm… WTF?
Could you please try to improve your grammar a little bit?
In a second step we would like to know what you are trying to tell us.
Do you think you are much better? German huh? Psh…
It has nothing to do with my German background, and I didn’t compare my language skills.
I am at least able to complete my sentences.
And my second comment was appropriate because his complaint related to the A6k has nothing to do with the fact that he is surprised about the existence of the tele zoom lens. Why shouldn’t I request him to further explain what he wants to communicate?
So, would you please do not offend me for no reason? Thanks.
“So, would you please do not offend me for no reason?”
Pot, kettle, black.
Yeah, guys come on. This is a serious board and people get offended easily.
Lets all act like the photographer wannabees we think we are.
Agreed. 🙂
I think you’re looking for the Hassy forum.
No.
“I am at least able to complete my sentences.”
“So, would you please do not offend me for no reason? Thanks.”
Illiterate troll
55-210mm with a crop factor of 1.5…which means that the lens is equivaelent to 82.5-315mm. i would say that is pretty darn good…
But the a6000 has a plastic lens mount….so i wouldn’t consider hat camera…ever!
All I can say is that Sony is a consumer electronic company, not a photographic equipment company. I can imagine the sales of E mount cameras are pretty good because it attracts many consumers. Not too long ago, every parents I know has a DSLR to take picture for the kids, but they only use the kit lens. Now, all the parents switched to a mirrorless camera, many of them to Sony, but still they only use the kit lens.
Consumer electronics such as these:
https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-broadcastcameras/
And Nikon is a photographic equipment company that issues massive recalls on every single product it produces. Now that’s a class act.
As Lotus Eater points out below, Sony (and Panasonic for that matter), have been in the pro broadcast industry for decades. smh
Yes, but Lotus Eater is an idiot, and these cameras have nothing “pro” to themselves. None of them.
Actually he has an IQ of 142. Hardly an idiot.
LOL
I don’t see how that’s statistically probable as mine’s 156. It is possible but improbable
Your feelings about Lotus Eater don’t invalidate his point. Also, while Sony may not make cameras that appeal to you, or perhaps the type of subject you shoot, some pros do use them.
They are just tools. My A7R isn’t always the right tool for the job, but sometimes it is.
and Canon are a photocopier and printer company, what’s your point?
Neither of you know how the two companies started. What’s your point? Ahha
each “rumor” kind of “A-mount is dead. long live A-mount” makes ~300 comments first day and then dies just like the A-mount… cool
No rumors = FUD about end of A-mount = comments = ad displays
This site was cool few years ago, now its harmful not only for Sony, but for Sony users too.
NWIMU
Stands for:
NO WOMEN IN MY UNIVERSE.
What is an “A mount” ?
I think he was saying “a mount is dead” not “A-mount is dead”.
Because there is no “A-mount” so that wouldnt make sense.
I, like many here, have been worried/concerned/paranoid about Sony’s
focus on E-mount and lack of focus on A-mount. Please follow me as I
briefly outline my recent fall
which lead to me becoming homeless and cameraless.
In 2002, I got my first camera – a Minolta Dynax 5. I soon found myself with a
handful of cheap Sigma lenses, and many rolls of developed film.
Over the years, I followed the same upgrade path as many; KM 5D, then the
Sony A700, then The A77, and recently the A99. And about three times as
many lenses as I need. I had GAS bad. However, the past 6 months, things
have gotten out of hand. I’ll explain.
It all started when it became apparent that the A99 successor was shelved for Sony to work on
the A7 series of FF E-mount cameras. I mean, I knew that the A99 was
still a fully capable camera for my work, and for most professionals,
and the upgrade cycle told me it was still a relatively new camera, and
the A7 series didnt really add anything that the A99 didn’t have.
Nonetheless, I found myself getting increasingly frustrated and feeling
abandoned by Sony. I mean…”how dare they” shove aside us loyal A-mount
guys? They OWE us? Right? It was horrible to release E-mount gear and
not continue supporting A-mount with new cameras and lenses. A few lens
refreshes and a new A77II wasnt enough. So, I ended up buying an A7
because of the PDAF sensors. I sold my A99 and A77 and kept most of my
A-mount lenses.
It was a nice camera, but then the A7R caught my
eye, with it’s high resolution sensor. So I bought it too. All was good
and well, but lowlight imaging wasnt all that great, and I ended up
hearing about the A7S, which, you guessed it, was preordered and
recently acquired. This took great images in lowlight and high ISO, but
the 12 MP was not enough for my taste. So I ended up selling all three
E-mount cameras, and buying another A99. After a few weeks, I realized
how much I missed the small form factor of the E-mount bodies, so I
ended up buying another A7 and swore I’d call that good.
Sure enough, it wasnt long before I got tired of using the LAEA Adapter and
started buying some E-mount primes. I ended up with 8 in total including
the 70-200 f4 G lens. The first three 55mm lenses I got were all
decentered, so each went back. 4th times a charm. But even with the best
copies of the E-mount lenses I could find, the image quality still
wasnt good compared to the A-mount equivalents. Fed up with Sony, I
finally sold my E-mount lenses and bought some Canon EF lenses and the
fotodiox adapter. Once I saw how good optically the Canon lenses were, I
sold most of my A-mount lenses too and my A99 once again.
Now comes the frustrating part.
I realized it was stupid to be shooting with Canon lenses using an
adapter all the time…why not just switch to a native canon body?? So I
sold my A7 and bought an Canon 5DMIII. Great camera, BTW, but I was so
used to the EVF that the Optical Viewfinder seemed like something from
the 1800’s. None of the useful overlays and image adjustments were
available, so I soon realized that I had made a mistake selling my Sony
gear afterall…
At this point, a couple of checks bounced which clued me in to my impending financial situation. Not good.
The
rest is history. In total, in selling and re-buying my gear, I had lost
just over $35,700 dollars. Only to learn that I should have stuck with
A-mount anyway. Or E-mount. They’re both great. I shouldnt have let my
unfounded worry drive my decision making.
Take my story for what
it’s worth. I have to go now – the Starbucks manager wants me to move
my box and give him his phone back. 🙁
Take care everyone!
Rod
Same thing happened to me. LOL.
Woe to the E-Mount owner when Canon releases their own FF EVF high MP camera. Just around the corner friend.
LOL
Canon is a company from the past. Sony is a company from the future.
So again, I say, LOL.
Compressed RAW format is why Sony will never be a serious contender for the professional photographers…
Maybe you casual street photographers, travel photographers or family occasional photographers…but as a professional product/commercial photographer…image quality has to be pristine…and a lossy compressed RAW format it the main reason why i will never look twice at Sony…even if they halved their prices!
Yeah, that’s why. What a serious concern. LOL.
That’s like saying the reason Subaru will never sell more than GM is because Subaru uses environmentally friendly paint that scratches more easily.
I fact in there may be true, but there’s no coorelation and the statement is utter BS.
I can only conclude that you are just a casual photographer that would never have to justify inferior image quality to what competitors are producing…
That is what I would have to do if I went with Sony and that poor compressed RAW format.
Blocky pixels near area’s of high contrast?! lol…no thanks.
They may as well just let you chumps shoot in jpeg only…
I call bull$hit. If actually are a professional and image quality is so important to you shooting product/commercial then you are using MEDIUM or LARGE FORMAT. Not 35mm full frame.
This whole thread is:
“Trollin trollin trollin…keep the trolls a trollin…”
that’s all this site is now, trolls and trolls
exceptionally entertaining because every geek needs to show every other geek how smart they are.
only reason i come out hear…it makes me laugh
Clearly I’m smarter than you.
😉
Are you smarter than me? I dont think you are.
LOL! Maybe you should get a life? How very sad you are!
No, you are. Poke
Then by your logic…all taxi drivers should drive F1 cars….
because if getting from A to B in the fastest time possible is so important…then surely they would have the fastest car possible…regardless of price!
BUT…back in the real world…for my business model and for the amount that i charge for my commissions/services…i could not justify the cost for medium… it’s not like i am shooting for top publications and neither are my competitors…
RAW should be RAW…and left completely to the photographer to use as they want…Sony should stay out of the way and not interfere with this and deciding what data is relevant and what is not…
You can continue to drive your taxi. The problem in your logic is that you have made an argument that you need the greatest image quality without compromise, then stipulate that you must compromise on what camera tool you use for the job. You can’t have it both ways. If your clients don’t need MF quality then there is no way they can see the difference nor care that it is true raw or sony raw. To see the difference you need to blow it up BIG. If you are going that big then odds are you should be shooting MF
In the real world, most photographers are terrible businessmen. The most wealthy photographers are not the best photographers. My point? If you were smart, you could shoot medium
I’ve been shooting Canon Professionally for 16 years come February. I shoot corporate stock images and product photography. I am currently in the process of switching to E-mount.
So what you said may be true for….you. Not me.
At the end of the day, the camera is just a tool. A means to an end. And if it is good enough for you and you earn money from it…then fair enough.
But the RAW format…should be RAW…not slightly salted and thrown in the frying pan for a few seconds…to get rid of some water weight…
I just do do not understand the logic for Sony not to use 100% of the sensor data captured and try to snip bits off here and there to save a bit of the file size and indirectly improve their camera’s speed and handling…
I agree and I dont understand it either. But for me and my picky clients, it doesnt matter. I did the comparisons, and the only one who noticed was me. So…I guess that is the answer why they’re doing it.
Wow, is my sarcasm antenna off or are you really serious?
So basically, if you didn’t fall for the “A-mount is dead” FUD, you would still be shooting happily.
It was total BS and heavy handed sarcasm. I am the happy owner of a full slew of A-mount gear and not worried at all about the future. 🙂
Good to know! Well done making the story up, if I had the money I would probably do as you wrote except Canon…!
It may be BS, but I wouldn’t be surprised how many stories like that actually exist.
Whether you are serious or not, the point you drive home resonates with me. I wasted lots of money last year bouncing around from a77 to A900 (soon sold it) with a second M43 system (bought most of the primes) then realized I missed the 16-50mm 2.8 DT and want full frame again so bought an A7…..then realized vintage lenses are ok, but they aren’t up to my expectations….now want an a900 again just to use my freaking A mount glass. I’ve decided to buy zero lenses this year…ZERO. I’ve had about 36 in the past few years. No more, has to stop somewhere. I lost a few grand last year, but most of that stuff I purchased and sold it for what I bought it for.
My point is…if you are an A mounter my suggestion…stick with what you have and enjoy it. Just enjoy it. The other side of the fence is nice, but it isn’t life changing. I actually am just looking to grab an A700 along side my A7. I refuse to start switching out lenses.Once I do that again the whole thing snowballs and it gets out of control. I’m also considering just selling the A7 I got at a steal and going back to a900. Enjoy it, use my glass and let Sony slug their shiit out while I enjoy what Minolta built upon for over 30 years.
The point I made was serious, but the story was 100% fabricated (except the beginning – and my history with Minolta).
Glad to hear it! Your reaction is what I was hoping for out of readers. The grass may look greener on the other side, but once you’re there, you very often turn around and notice that it was just an illusion.
Kudos!
My camera-future is here since 35 minutes and is called NX-1
okay.
do not care what they think nex(t) 3 years.
out.
Yep, I’ve been watching Samsung too. They’d get some real consideration from me if they moved to FF quick fast and in a hurry. I like the NX-1 ergonomics. And the philosophy behind the camera seems quite serious. Not wishywashy Sony pu$$.
What kid of RAW format do Samsung use? I hope it’s not like that terrible lossy compressed format that Sony use…
I love what Sony are doing…and i was tempted at one point…but with that kind of RAW format…errrm no chance!
I dont use RAW. I shoot in 8 bit color .gif format. 256 x 256 resolution.
Then in that case…Sony E-mount is the perfect camera system for you…
I agree!!! Lots of us out there, too! Just look at sales numbers!
LOLOLOLOLOL
Raise your hand, who even considered buying those expensive SONY-ZEISS f2.8 zoom lenses for 1400-1600$/euros. Many of you complain about the lack of these zooms, but would you even considered buying them for such a price, if they would be released ?! I would rather see sony stayed with the size of 55f1.8 35f2.8 and continue to create primes 24, 85, some pancankes so that you guys be satisfied. I am personally freaking enjoying using old legacy dirt cheap lenses with focuspeaking and create maybe 5% $hittier pictures than you guys would with all this AF hype lenses. My budget : 400euros sony nex 5r, plus some 250 in legacy lenses. Beat that madafaka 😀
Raise your hand, who even considered buying those expensive SONY-ZEISS f2.8 zoom lenses for 1400-1600$/euros. Many of you complain about the lack of these zooms, but would you even considered buying them for such a price, if they would be released ?! I would rather see sony stayed with the size of 55f1.8 35f2.8 and continue to create primes 24, 85, some pancankes so that you guys be satisfied. I am personally freaking enjoying using old legacy dirt cheap lenses with focuspeaking and create maybe 5% $hittier pictures than you guys would with all this AF hype lenses. My budget : 400euros sony nex 5r, plus some 250 in legacy lenses. “Beat that madafaka” 😀
I own a lot of these vintage lenses as well. I don’t fool myself into thinking they’re better than they are however. Good? Sure. Great? Don’t think so. Harsh Bokeh, lack of micro-contrast, ghosting often requires two stops down to eliminate. It shows if your paying attention to your background. Sharp? Sure, but I personally think that’s the least important aspect of lens design.
At the present time my favorite lens is one I’ve owned since 1980. Contax Zeiss 1.4/50. The bokeh is stellar and it makes a great portrait lens on an aps-c sensor.
Which is great to hear. I’ve only used third party MD mount lenses and Rokkor lenses. Rokkor are ok.
Most of the third party stuff is ok at best. I find the Contax/Yashica Zeiss lenses have stood the test of time. The build quality was such that they still are incredibly smooth focusing. I think I’d go Loxia if I ever had to replace them, but only because of the exif data they give.
You should stop making fun of your username parody person.
He passed away this past December and so that is just off color. Please stop.
Who passed away?
Who’s the Boss here?
Who’s on first?
Who?
That’s right.
Either that is one awesome/dark sense of humor you have or I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about
Pretty sure he didnt pass away.
who?
Who who who!
Well then it’s good that you don’t think more of your lenses. Third party MD and Rokkor are hardly cream of the crop. Other people do have great older lenses.
Hand raised – when someone shoots full time 5+ days per week, lenses that can be relied, are durable, fast, high quality and are currently supported for repairs by the manufacturer are a necessity. I take out the vintage minolta lenses when I’m screwing around or need a break from the weight – when I’m not being paid and am shooting for myself.
Purple fringing looks awful on your photo. Yes I’d buy an expensive zoom lens, I was happy with me 70-200 is ii
i dont see purple fringing 🙂 . see ? happy i am , i just saved thousands of dollars just by being happy. poor you.
I’m familiar with ignorance is bliss. Not everyone can be so delusional. The photos are pretty awful regardless of the fringing
well well, where have you been when they were delivering guts ? you say big words yet show us no images. i can see you have no brain left when you cannot see the point i am trying to make, have you seen my budget ? why dont you show us the kind of pictures you take with your super duper canon 5d and 70-200 f2.8 ? oh yeah right, you have none 🙂 oh boy shame is that not much people back up your silly words you spread 🙂 there you go i give one upvote poor boy 🙂
I’m raising my hand. Guess what finger I’m holding up?
A proper 2.8 zoom at 1600 euro? I think a lot of people would buy those, paid 2400euro for my canon 70-200 and going to buy the 28-135 as kit lens for the fs7 at 2500 so, sure I would love cheap F2.8 zooms 🙂 Just hope they will have less fly by wire focus nonsense build in because that is really no fun for video.
p.s.
yes fast legacy glas on the emount is a lot of fun and can give you so many nice pictures
May I announce a SR 5 rumour. Minolta will take over alpha mount again. All the legend lens will appear again. New flagship camera is on the way.
Does anyone else smell that? God that’s horrible. Something died in here….
To be honest. Hope so
great… why it is so difficult to take the A99 body, put the 36 mpx sensor with 5-axis ibis in it and sell it as A99II
wondering why people buy more A-Mount? – there is no alternative to A7II, A7R or A7S with A-Mount! Not everybody wants small body´s with an ugly design
It’s not particularly difficult at all.
I think you’re asking why it hasnt been done. And the reason is this:
SONY isnt a charity. They’re in existence to make MONEY.
E-mount is bringing in FAR more money than A-mount. Whether you like that or not, it’s true.
Case closed.
True but jeez, they have been making that 36mp sensor since 2012, why not give some love to the pro end shooters? Throw it in a a99 and call it a day. The pro users are jumping ship back to Nikon/Canon. Does sony care though,, true question as they might actually not. As someone mentioned they are an electronics company not camera company.
This is true.
You assume it’s the lack of caring. The number of FF A-mount users is very small. Sony has done the projections and figured they would not recoup the cost. That is why you haven’t seen an A99II. It’s not about being an electronics company. It’s about trying to be a profitable company — which they are not so they must hold the line on projects that are projected to lose money.
so an A77II is the same… no one would buy it?! Why they developed and sell it?!
I just want a nice body and not such i tiny and ugly thing!
So for it is also ok to buy a mirrosless camera with a-mount
Yes, it will be a great camera for us (current A-mount users)
but no Cankon users will sell all their lens & jump ship to Sony because of this camera.
Base on the number A900/A99 sold, Sony know that the profit from this camera are just enough/may not able to cover the initial development costs
dev costs would be small, they got all the parts already, and putting them in more bodies would be make better use of what’s already been invested.
Besides they invested in rx1,rx1r, qx systems, which won’t generate lens sales…
This discussion really has gotten silly!
You’re forgetting Sony already has a pretty large A-mount user base.
Many FE-mount sales are coming from previous Canon/Nikon/Leica shooters who see it as an easy way to switch since they can continue using old glass via adapters. However, if you did a poll of Sony’s true professional user base I would easily guess that easily 80% are primarily using A-mount.
The biggest selling Sony cameras, however, are the APS-C NEX & E-mount cameras: amateur customers. This took away some of the user base from A-mount because they are no longer making amateur/low-end A-mount bodies.
It hasn’t even been a year since the release of A77II, and Sony just announced updated lenses and stated again that new A-mount bodies are coming.
If they were closing the A-mount system any time soon, Sony wouldn’t even bother with the lens updates, or more importantly, the new SLT AF technology first implemented in A77II.
You said A77II – I think you meant A7II
You said A-mount – I think you meant E-mount
You said SLT – I think you meant ILCE
No, I said A77II and meant A77II. I came out last spring.
You came out last spring, huh?
That explains why you shoot A77II. Ah. 😉
Yawn.
At Sony Hospital A mount is on life support and it might get switched off soon; APSC E mount has been forgotten and is on a trolley in the corridor while FE FF gets pampered by all the attention from the Sony medics and hot nurses and will get a private room when they have finished. Some things in life are just not fair!
True, but that’s life. “Deal or die” as my professor used to say.
Seriously now…did I miss something? Have I been living under a rock?
WHAT IS THE JOKE? I dont get what the reference is to “A-mount”? What is “A-mount”?
Ha ha…ha……ha…haha….ha
So, so funny.
Dont quit your day job (if you even have one).
so the a6000, a5100 and a5000 are not apsc/e-mount?????
I guess EF-S was forgotten the day it was launched, like an unwanted child? This of course has worked out very poorly for Canon that they have lost almost all their market share in the process?
I cannot understand the bashing related to the fact that Sony has only two A mount FF so far.
In fact we have three – the A850 is FF, too.
The A900 came in 2008, and the A99 in 2012. Considering for professional ranged gear a 3 to 4 year development time frame I would assume Sony being on schedule if they bring a new one end of the year.
Canon released the 5D in 2005, the 5D2 in 2009 and the 5D3 in 2012 – so two new cameras took them 7 years.
Nikon recently has been a little bit more busy. But from D700 to D800 it took them – surprise – also 4 years.
So 4 years seem to be mutually accepted time frame between two pro graded products.
If all FFs would be considered we have a clear winner with Nikon (12), then Sony (7) and Canon with 6 since late 2005.
Admittedly that’s a little bit of comparing apples with oranges, because Nikon and Canon did it for one mount, and Sony for two.
What I wanted to bring it down to is the fact that Sony is neither behind schedule nor did they abandone its FF users.
Sony itself has said several times that the A99 is NOT a “pro” camera.
True, but only after it has been constantly bashed for its EVF and some minor flaws.
You should have attended at Photokina 2012, where they presented it with a lot of “tamtam” and some pro photographers as the new pro grade Alpha mount.
There is no Sony pro camera. An open mind and a single comparison of a Nikon D810 file and an A7r file would make this clear to anyone that has the potential to be a professional.
And your point is?
We already know this.
Can you show an example. Not a 300 percent crop that has been extremely pushed in LR beyond 99 percent of most photographers needs. I’m just asking.
And there isn’t a “potential professional” who’s not considering video requests if they wish to get and hold onto a client. Nikon have zero answer for the 21st century professional.
Dear Anton “Troll” Berlin
Go and busy yourself with Nikon Forums elsewhere or better still go out and improve your photography. Your snide, jealous, biased and unhelpful comments aren’t welcome here
Canon has 150+ lenses, a wifi flash 600ex-rt, flash support for profoto b1, etc, a better value better image 70-200 f4, a 70-200, a great 24-70, and some tilt shift lenses.
It’s behind in sensor technology but over-all it’s a better system for the average professional photographer
I am not even sure it’s behind in sensor tech. My comparisons suggest they are more or less even. Sure, the web is full of marketing, but we know better because we are those who use the tools. Right?
Dirk: it’s OK that you don’t understand, these tools must be used with a certain degree of competence to be appreciated. Otherwise, the latest toy would always be the greatest.
Do I inspire having no clue?
Sorry, just a little.
Guess it has to with my phrasing then.
What did I say that makes you defining me lacking competence?
With my comment above I indicated that the development durations are similar between brands, independently of the targeted audience.
Secondly, do you get, what I want to say when I separate definitions of a “pro grade camera” and a “professionally usable camera”?
I agree about the sensor tech. I mean, sometimes companies get ahead of each other for a short period but it’s not worth basing a decision on. Also, the 5d mk 3 sensor had extremely good high iso performance. I didn’t want to mention anything about that because it makes me look like a fanboy and quite frankly, all these companies are disgusting in one way or another. I’ve been told that canon have a problem with red hues but I think that’s actually from the glass and not the sensor. I measured the colour values (I’m pathetic, I know) of the 5d mk 3 and it had problems with exposing purple correctly, a specific shade to be exact. That’s a warm colour and it might result in an overly red image but it doesn’t overexpose red per se. I realise purple is not a primary colour which makes me believe the lenses might naturally be rendering colours slightly differently due to lens coating. The people that blindly say such things make me think they haven’t done the proper testing themselves.
The sony sensor colours also aren’t accurate and the white balance is so off that you’d have to use a grey card. That’s no problem at all, but if you’re going to use a grey card, is it much more hassle to use a colour passport?
The rest of the colours are actually highly accurate on the 5d mk 3.
The 6D gets advertised as a full-frame sensor yet if you get a ruler and measure the damn thing, it’s not even full frame.
The prism structure of the 5d mk 3 is abysmal, for example if the camera is bashed, it can in fact knock the viewfinder slightly out of alignment such that what you see is not what the sensor sees. This is HUGE and a reason to really push mirrorless. Many cameras get labelled as having great build quality because they consist of a solid metal shell. To me that just means they consist of partially good materials, it doesn’t mean the build quality is good.
Where am I going with this?
Mirrorless stand to be solidly built because they’re solid state. They don’t rely on past designs. They’re very easy to seal yet sony haven’t sealed them.
Zeiss already have great lens designs they simply need to adapt to the mount. The research and development is done for a lot of lenses and sony have them on their side! To conclude, sony have everything in their favour right now and still they aren’t impressing the majority quite enough.
For me, I just want a simple full-frame camera I can use in harsh conditions and one that is small. I really hope the a7r mk 2 is exactly what I want and I hope that a decent flash system gets announced. I cannot always carry broncolour gear
I didn’t say anything against that fact.
And besides the lense range I would prefer (if I would be a pro earning my bread and butter with photography) Canon for the fact that the professional accessories market is tremendously wider for Canon (and not much smaller for Nikon).
In the end it comes down to your demands (and preference of course, too) of what the best gear is.
True about losing Canicon dinosaurs. But I personally look more agressive development from Sony. I have basically all range of Zeiss and Sony gane of FF lenses and I am worried, to be honest. I like my a99 (having two bodies) but I need fast improvement, as a77II fixed few quite annoying issues I have with a99I right now.
It didn’t stop Sony from cranking out 4 E mount FF bodies in less time Dirk the A99 should have been updated to the 36meg sensor by now just saying! Since more people would have purchased more A-mount cameras!
Some more Imatest results. The D810 vs A7r – the Otus 55 is 30% sharper on the Nikon than it is on the Sony. The Otus 85mm on the D810 is about 35% sharper than on the Sony. The Otus 55mm is about 12% sharper on the A7r than the FE55 is on the A7r.
How sharp can one get ? See below. And yes. That’s at f2.
Sony fails because of astigmatism, lack of 14 bit file depth, clipped highlights, banded blacks and gradients, shutter shock, poor WB and EV, and lastly lack of support.
In no way can a professional trust Sony.
The Sony Center is in Berlin…..;)
This is bad, but the sluggish responsiveness, the poor autofocus, the poor flash system, and the ultra limited lens lineup are a lot worse.
This is a toy made by fools, where the fools are the fat executives, surely not the engineers.
So don’t use the A7R and keep your D810! Problem solved!
AGREE 100%.
So it’s settled then. Sony is for soccer moms, only. Period. That’s it.
Now can we drop it!?
I am glad for you and your D810 but you are obviously not enjoying it very much, otherwise you would be shooting it as opposed to trolling on Sony forums…
So any normal person with a HEALTHY MIND, who believed D810 is so much better than A7r, would simply go to Nikonrumors or some Nikon fan-site and have fun, but no, according to your profile it appears you are only commenting on SAR, day after day, for some strange reason, most likely mental ?!?
Of course the D810 is a better camera than anything Sony has. Who in their right mind would even debate that?
I would. It has that flappy thing…what do they call it…in the middle of the flange.
Flappy thing lolol
When you say better, better in what ?
Certainly not in price, A7R is £1300 vs D810 for £2300 in the UK.
Certainly not in weight, A7R is 465 grams, D810 is 980 grams.
And so on …
There are different cameras for different purposes!
Duh.
This is well known. How is that news?
Um…who is challenging those facts? Of course everything you said is true.
What’s your point? People know that Sony is not a professional solution…that’s why 92% of the global professional photographer population Shoots Canikon.
Or are you here to just inflame the Sonyfanbois?
During the Football world cup there was a funny camera angle on German TV , sorry that I don’t remember the game.
A crowd of roughly 20 Photographers on the side were shooting a player who shot a goal. All of the photographers were wearing an orange sony vest, and of what I could realize, that one guy had a Nikon, and all others a Canon. 🙂
Part of reason was for sure operation speed and tracking accuracy.
Let’s put available lens range and accessories aside, and don’t let us consider ops speed and data compression.
What mainly separates Canikon from Sony (and as a Sony brand loyal I don’t mind admitting it) is professional care and physical reliability.
Eversince I am on Sony gear I found that lacking most.
And here comes something on the Sony horizon. They brought new lenses with dust and moisture sealing. They renewed most of their G lenses for dust and moisture sealing and AF speed reasons. They announced MK2 of two important ZA (1635 and 2470), and I am sure they will renew the 85 and 135 as well.
And secondly they announced (don’t know if available yet) a professional care for Sony professionals.
Now they can concentrate on a new A mount FF that meets real pro’s appreciation.
I like your thinking Dirk. I hope your right.
God I hope this is true Also Dirk! Sony make the Pro Bodies in A-mount and I will buy 2! And don’t fu@king skimp on features and speed!
>And secondly they announced (don’t know if available yet) a professional care for Sony professionals<
Yes, they're already calling applicants, within the next month they'll be signing people up.
Oh, is this a Mr Obvious contest?
Here, let me join in.
You just posted facts about why Nikon is better than Sony on a Sony Rumor/Scam Site and people are commenting on that now, pointing out the fact that you just stated the obvious.
Happy?
so much improvements should be realized on the only ff mirrorless ! More issues were solved, better would be the share for sony.. Why stopping here?
Hmm…
And your point is…………………………?
We already know that. If I were a professional, I wouldnt shoot Sony. I’m not a professional, so Sony works fine for me.
Yea, and the new Canon 46mp EVF camera coming out this year will STOMP the Nikon D810 FLAT. It wont even look like a soccer mom camera. It will be a toy.
And then a year later, Nikon or Sony will come out with a camera that STOMPS that Canon flat. And then Canon will stomp the Nikon flat. And then…..
Who cares? Quit obsessing over meaningless details and go shoot. The only one who cares about details like that are obsessing photogs. Not clients or viewers. I absolutely guarantee I could switch from my 5DIII to a Sony and my clients wouldnt be the wiser. They’d still love it.
Its the PHOTOGRAPHER, not the GEAR that matters. Anyone who tells you different has inferior skills than you.
Do you shoot lots of statues?
we can all agree, D810 is better…and with every single trolly post from you it gets better and better and better….do your self a favour man, take your wonderful D810 out and take some photos instead of posting graphs 😉
But his hobby is posting graphs and trolling forums.
I see..his status history tells that hes doing this daily, repeating the same sh** all over. The guy must have a very sad life…or perhaps a payed troll?
LOL.
Of COURSE It’s better. SONY is an electronics company who happens to make decent consumer cameras.
Nikon is a camera company who happens to make professional cameras.
That’s like saying “Hey, guys, guess what I just discovered!?!?! The sky is blue!”
The sky is not blue. You apparently have never been to NY.
“Sony fails because of astigmatism, lack of 14 bit file depth, clipped highlights, banded blacks and gradients, shutter shock, poor WB and EV, and lastly lack of support.”
Film fixes all of these ills.
If D810 had an EVF than I would buy it over the A7 series. Charts and numbers don’t help me get the photos I want.
Let ‘s have a good laugh Anton , drop off for a while your graf and stats Sony ranting and show us your outstanding professional photografic Nikon production .
You pitiful troll.
There are many problems with this comparison.
– first you compare £2300 D810 vs £1300 A7R
– then £4000 Otus is designed for Nikon so obviously should be sharper there
– what adapter did you use to mount the Otus on the A7R, at this insane resolution of both camera and the Otus even the slightest decentering and tilt counts
– why did you test the Zeiss FE 55/1.8 on the A7R only and not the D810, oooo yeaaah, I know it dosen’t work on the Nikon because the registration distance is too great, so the Zeiss 55/1.8 is INFINETELY sharper on the Sony A7R than the Nikon D810 if I follow your logic 🙂
– So there is one BIG advantage of the A7R right there it WORKS with all lenses ever made, 100%, the D810 doesn’t !
– Then since you found that the Nikon combo £2300+£4000 is only 35% and then 12% sharper than the £1300+£600 ONLY combo, I would take the latter any day !
– especially as it is about half the weight as well / 2 kilos lighter
So Sony A7R + Zeiss FE 55/1.8 being 1/3 of the price, 1/2 of the weight, probably about 2/3 of the size hugely outperforms the D810 + Otus 55 combination !!!
Not to mention that you can use any lens ever made on the A7R.
Price is irrelevant in the comparison. but I agree with the other comments
Yes and no. There have been numerous discussion on this and other forums concerning adapters. Usually the vast majority here agreed to it being of no discernible influence on the results (I am not so sure, but it is repeated all the time). The 55 trails the Otus, but not by much. According to the results you see at different review sites the differences should be much smaller than A.B.’s findings. Nevertheless I guess the results depend on sharpening of the investigated files. It is very hard to get this out of the equation (Zeiss’s lens manuals have nice plots where the effect of sharpening on the measured resolution is seen). Your big advantage in lens adaption is irrelevant for this comparison, price, too. Nevertheless, I don’t understand his motives behind posting this. I don’t see a big difference when comparing my Sony to Nikon files. Even posterization due to the 11 bit is very rare (Ming Thein is the first I saw posting a picture with an issue, yesterday).
>Nevertheless, I don’t understand his motives behind posting this<
Simple, he's trying to convince himself, because he cannot get the results he wants from the D810 due to lack of personal expertise. So he makes himself feel better trolling the forums rather than becoming more efficient with the kit he has settled upon.
You’re looking at jpegs
What, no witty technical retort to Anton Berlin from our resident expert on all things digital?
You are too smart to figure out how to register a username, right?
I’ve got you stumped, speechless and unable to counter-point my critique! Your only come-back is about registering a name, you so out-geeked by me Anton Berlin. HAHAHA, ROFL.
I didn’t even care to point out ISO64 and 1/40 because you’re comparing jpegs ROFL… which i already mentioned. Learn to use a web browser and then learn to use a camera.
You go girl……..rar-rar-rar 😉
No you can just zip it.
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At the end off the day, having specific goals, and working as a professional multi-media producer I wouldn’t trade any EVF equipped camera for an OVF equipped camera, even for the D810’s better file. Number one, it’s the 21st century, clients want video too, with video comes audio and both those are like pulling teeth when dealing with any Nikon.
If you were to make a smart choice for a thoroughly modern system for both stills and video it’d be Canon, at least Canon have a proper Cinema series of cameras, great stills bodies and a thoroughly modern line of stills and pro-cinema glass.
This crap you keep putting up Anton proves one thing to me, you are not servicing any accounts. You are merely another well-healed hobbyist chasing that upper 1% in stills quality for your landscape hobby. Quite frankly, you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you claim to speak for any professional photographers out here.
There are many photographers shooting stills only, even in 21st century (we are part of a large community of photographers, neither of those is shooting videos. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t become more important, however). I don’t know how many do video projects regularly, if I were to, I would choose my equipment accordingly (is LV not an option?). It is too easy to disguise these findings as crap, when on the other hand every minimal advantage of a Sony camera is going viral in the forums. Everyone has different needs, you, me and even A. Berlin.
Berlin isn’t even convinced by his own rational, why else would he keep posting it over & over & over again………. Live view on a D800 series camera is terrible for video & well documented. As stated correctly above, quality audio is completely ignored by Nikon too.
The major point here is that Canon are by far the most widely adopted still camera manufacturer by working professionals and their file doesn’t match that from either an A7R or A7S. The only people unhappy with the A7R file are landscape hobbyists it appears.
There isn’t a “professional photographer” I have ever met that thinks video isn’t relevant anymore!
It’s so refreshing to hear someone finally talk about sharpness like it’s the most important thing in photography.
Nikon got everything else better – lenses, flash system, accessories, software support, professional support, customer support, etc. – so the thing FE-mount owners point most often at as their advantage when it comes to what matters in photography is image quality – guy just proven that Nikon is better there too.
Yes and they have a guaranteed special feature with every new. I sure wish my camera had oil spots and lens flare etc…..
Don’t forget, Nikon also took away the ability for stand alone service centres to repair your camera. Camera shops, etc that use to do in house repairs, can no longer order parts. Every Nikon must go back to Nikon for any sort of repair. When i worked at a Professional camera shop, i sure cleaned a lot more Nikon sensors than i did Canon or anything else. Everything since the D700 loves to sling oil all over the sensor
If only D810 is in mirrorless body then it is surely beat A7R
Why would they cripple themselves?
Because 90% of people don’t want to look like a stalker or perv, lugging around a geeky looking heavy and bulky DSLR attracting negative behaviour and attention.
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Oh, look at me, I’ve gotten all this attention over on the Sony forum. HEHEHEHE. I feel proper special tonight mommy…………….. You are a special breed of CRETIN son.
Why aren’t you comparing it to D800e but to D810?
Besides everybody knows Nikon’s thin color filters yield bad colors. If you remove it completely it would be even more sharper, in black and white.
Oh look numpty is back again… With his graphs…. I am sure he is causing sleepless nights at Sony…..Yawn.
I’m hopeful for more “A” high end bodies and lenses. I’m fearful that the A series may get orphaned. I have been using A99’s for work. I’m very happy with IQ (It’s one’s vision and not the camera anyway). Want the same AF in the updated A99 as the A6000.I would be thrilled with that. More resolution isn’t a must. Got plenty.
I don’t think the A mount is going anywhere for a while, if the above rumour is true and they are covering their R&D costs, they would want to keep A mount, mainly because companies are very sensitive about market share, but A mount also brings brand recognition being used by professionals.
They also have some room to manoeuvre: make A mount refreshes rarer to reduce R&D and sell each model over longer period, start using their mirror-less designs in A mount bodies when they are up to SLT performance, for example after they make a premium e-mount A7000 camera improving A6000 technology, this should be a perfect fit for an A77 II update, even dropping the translucent mirror will make all light available to the sensor. When they manage to get full frame e-mount to A99 spec they will be able to do the same with full frame A mount, and then maintaining the A mount line will be much cheaper as majority will be E mount components and they could maintain until there is demand.
The A900 came in ’08 and the A99 in 2012. After that it got relatively quite on the A front. I hope you’re right about the trickle over of improvements from E to A. That makes a lot of common sense. The 80% of sales of E units may keep rising, thus my orphan fears.
They did launch A77M2 just last year. Even going by the time they took to go from A900 to A99, they still have an other year to launch A99 successor.
I personally think they’ll launch at least to more iterations of A99 or whatever full frame A mount models will be called, which gives at least 8-10 years more life to the system if not more, and then start using on-sensor pdaf in A mount bodies. Why not even branch it into a regular and S (high ISO) versions similar to the A7 series.
The A mount crop sensor bodies are more at risk, due to only 20% of A mount sales, but I still think they’ll replace the A77 especially as they can make a decent match with only A6000 components into it even today.
A-Mount will never be mirrorless. Once on-sensor-AF is good enough, there will only be E-Mount cameras with A-Mount-Adapters.
Problem is at some point they’ll decide that they’ll get better returns from allocating the a-mount’s R&D budget and production capacity to e-mount.
We get, A-mount is on life support.
It’s actually not. Read the post again, only this time take off the E-mount glasses.
Sony give me an APS-C emount camera with acceptable performances at iso1600 or better yet at iso3200. Not all of us are or want to be a professional photographer and certainly there is a very big market of enthusiasts photographers out there.
If sony doesn’t give what I want then maybe time to seriously think of moving to the Olympus EPL7 with it’s impressive IQ and cheaper and greater lens line up.
Are you trying to say that you are not satisfied by the IQ of APS-C A6000 but satisfied by the IQ of MFT E-PL7? Well, good luck with that!
Funniest thing I read all day !!! 😀
I feel the IQ of APS-C on 6000 does beat the IQ of MFT EPL7, but not always.You should try the EPL7 sometimes or well just look it up on flickr. The size and price of lens all make it worth the lesser IQ(than aps-c) in daylight.
A different story at iso1600 indoors night time… the IQ of EPL7 beats the IQ of the APS-C a6000.
I seriously want to stick to Sony’s APS-C emount line, and not invest in another line up so I am hoping some Sony executive reads this comment.
I could be wrong but it’s the internet and I am allowed to state my honest critical opinion 😉
At iso1600 the EPL7 certainly has better IQ than APS-C a6000
Olympus…I freaking love it. EP5 and grab any of the primes. DONE.
fuu..does it underexpose so heavily by deafult???
No. I did that myself. The exposure is normally spot in.
Man. Just discovered the most bad asss video ever!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVLg1M71CXI
THAT, my friend, was and still is an AWESOME camera. Sony only needed to upgrade it with a better sensor and an AF module and keep the DSLR line. SLT would make for a great companion.
And bring the video up to speed too with 5axis IBIS.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-manager-kenta-honjo-says-new-full-frame-e-mount-cameras-are-coming-very-soon/
What else is new? Sony hasn’t been able to do anything with what they got from Minolta except dumb down the A mount. Get rid of the iIso hot shoe for the new, substandard one. Change the OVF for an EVF that’s shitty for motion and sucks in high contrast. Removing dials and buttons. They thought they’d take over the camera industry. They realized they’re in over their heads and all they can do is dumb down Minolta engineering until the camera is an oversized cybershot. Then they wonder why the cameras don’t sell
Sony has no idea what to do with the A mount. Why am I not surprised they’re focusing on the E mount?
The reason it’s 80% is because THAT’S ALL THEY MAKE NOW! So sad how Sony bases their stats on old models to prove their point with new products. Such a reach to separate themselves from Minolta. Screw you Sony.
So how do you explain demand for the A77 II being abysmal despite being the best APS-C body available for the months leading up to the 7D Mark II announcement?
I heard it exceeded expectations for at least the first few months. Where are you getting “abysmal” from?
Very simply: abnormal pricing strategy of Sony (it’s overpricing) and practically no any promotion of this model.
The real problem is most of the potential customers already own a Canon or Nikon body and lenses. Even with a very, you’d need to persuade them to switch brand, which is a big ask…
It’s annoying that some people decleare A mount as dead. That’s stupid. The a7 was a very big success and Sony would be stupid if they would not use that situation to strenghten that line and manifest their leadership in that area. But if you think about telephoto and high aperture lenses A mount is still the best. It could be possible that SLT dissapears but then they will do A mount mirrorless. It’s bigger than E mount. Yeah – but honestly: A 70-200 2.8 is big anyway so a larger body for me is even better to hold than a very small one. Oh and is there a 70-200 f2.8 for E mount? No with the same size and weight you get just f4. Because the E mount is limited or lets say: Priority is on size. I love the a77 II.
A-mount is dead, just accept it.
Exactly: it’s true, but sad. And stupid.
I don’t see why any third-party lens manufacturer would have any interest in making lenses for a system for which the auto-focus technique is kept secret. So we’ll have a dead A-mount, and an E-mount with manual focus lenses only. Bravo.
E-mount…the more I use it…only makes sense to me with manual focus lenses. Every time I mount anything bigger than some vintage glass under 50mm I’m reminded…hey, you know what?….this camera is too small….that’s what.
From a purely logical perspective it makes sense for 3rd party vendors to be concentrating on E Mount simply because there aren’t many lenses available creating a huge vacuum waiting to be filled.
I’d like to see a whole line of Voigtlander lenses without the need for an adapter. Heck, I’d even take a few small manual focus Sigma “Art” lenses. Kind of like the Loxia, but half the price and 95% of the performance…or in some cases…110% of the performance.
“Most A-mount cameras sold are A99’s.”
This is because the Sony A-mount cameras with APS-C sensor are overpriced. Now FF cameras are becoming more and more popular, but Sony’s market strategy and pricing does not keep pace with customer preferences.
So the take home message is that: (i) Sigma and Tamron are even less interested in making a-mount lenses than they are in making e-mount lenses; and (ii) if we see a new a-mount body, it’ll be an a99 replacement with a focus on video…
So the take house concept is that: (i) Sigma and Tamron are even less fascinated to make a-mount contacts than they are to make e-mount lenses; and (ii) if we see a new a-mount whole body, it’ll be an a99 alternative with a concentrate on movie…
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