The image on top shows you how much you can spend on accessories once you have decided to buy the RX1 🙂
The new RX1 is certainly the most unique camera announced by Sony and could be the most unique camera announced this year by the whole digital camera industry. The preorders are up at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, Wex UK ,Wex Germany (and more links at Alphacameradeals). And the first indication we get from the digital camera popularity ranking (Click here) is that the camera preorders are higher than the ones of the Sony A99. Time has come to make a roundup of the interesting news I found about the RX1 today:
Image samples:
The only RX1 image samples I found have been posted on Cameraegg. These are full size jpeg images taken at 100 ISO. I would like to see an image comaprison between the RX100 and A99 to see if the new FF translucent mirror on the A99 takes away some minor bits of image quality or not. Drop me a message if you find a test like that on the web!
The RX1 ripped off:
ePhotozine, Photographyblog and Engadget posted many images of the RX1 including details of the ripped off camera. Particularly that picture shows the large last lens at the “mount-level”. There are some discussions on forums (example on Fred Miranda) saying that such a lens design would not have been possible to do if the lens would have to fit on an E-Mount. And a lens with the same specs and quality would be bigger if done with an E-mount. I may ask our more expert readers to let me know if such a statement is correct or not. Hope DK form Photoclubalpha may can give us a clue on this!
The viewfinders:
Techradar Shows some pics of the camera withe the optical viewfinder. There is a big blue Zeiss logo on the viewfinder I personally don’t like to see there. A picture of the camera with the electronic viewfinder can be seen here on Flickr. There is no blue Sticker on top and I like that 🙂 A fake Hello Kitty eidtion on Imageshack.
Early thoughts here and there
Lori Grunin writes: “While the flash pops up, it doesn’t seem to tilt back for bouncing the way the RX100’s does.”
Gizmodo writes: “This is a Cyber-Shot camera, which means it’s not just point-and-shoot sized, it’s a point-and-shoot with a prime 35mm f/2.0 lens. It’s a Carl Zeiss lens, so it’s surely lovely, but the lack of interchangeable lenses and no possibility for zoom is going to turn a lot of people off.”
Techradar: “As Sony rightly points out, this camera is entering a segment of the market which doesn’t really exist, so the company will be carving out a new category for the RX1. How will it will perform is a bit of a guessing game at the moment, but if image quality lives up to expectation we can see it being a very aspirational camera that many will save up for.”
Ken Rockwell: “I expect the DSC-RX1to be very popular with the folks who always buy the latest new photo gizmos, and those who spend more time talking about them online than actually shooting them.”
About the price:
The RX1 is not an expensive camera. If you would buy the NEX-7 (APS-C sensor) and the Zeiss 24mm f/1.8 you would have to spend around $2,200. There is “only” a $600″ price difference with the Full Frame RX1.
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A99 body Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, Jessops, Wex UK, Wex Germany, Sonystore DE–UK–FR–IT–ES–NL–SE–FI–CH and more links at Alphacameradeals.
A99 with kit lens links Alphacameradeals.
RX1 Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, Wex UK ,Wex Germany and more links at Alphacameradeals.
NEX-6 body Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, Wex UK, Wex Germany Sonystore DE–UK–FR–IT–ES–NL–SE–FI–CH and more links at Alphacameradeals.
NEX-6 with kit lens Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, Jessops, Wex Uk ,Wex Germany and more links at Alphacameradeals.
NEX-VG900 Amazon, BHphoto, Sonystore DE–UK–FR–IT–ES–NL–SE–FI–CH, Wex Uk and more links at Alphacameradeals.
NEX-VG30 Adorama, Amazon, BHphoto, Wex UK, Sonystore DE–UK–FR–IT–ES–NL–SE–FI–CH, and more links at Alphacameradeals.
Sony E-mount 16-50mm Amazon, Adorama, Wex UK, Sonystore DE–UK–FR–IT–ES–NL–SE–FI–CH, and more links at Alphacameradeals .
Sony E-mount 35mm Amazon, Adorama, Wex UK, Sonystore DE–UK–FR–IT–ES–NL–SE–FI–CH, and more links at Alphacameradeals.
Sony E-mount 10-18mm Amazon, Adorama, Wex UK, Sonystore DE–UK–FR–IT–ES–NL–SE–FI–CH, and more links at Alphacameradeals.
Sony A-mount 300mm f/2.8 Amazon, Sonystore DE–UK–FR–IT–ES–NL–SE–FI–CH.
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drool stuff !!
Great article on the RX1 by the Online Photographer:
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2012/09/another-thing-about-the-rx1.html
quote: “The RX1 is not an expensive camera. If you would buy the NEX-7 (APS-C sensor) and the Zeiss 24mm f/1.8 you would have to spend around $2,200. There is “only” a $600″ price difference with the Full Frame RX1.”
This comparison has some flaws. While you could use your Zeiss 24mm f/1.8 on future bodies, your fixes 35m f/2 lens is going to be part of electronic waste once the camera breaks.
the same goes to X100, and not too many people complained back then about it…Just going FF and charging FF prices with top quality lens and being Sony and everyone complains.
The X100 is *much* cheaper, and has an OVF and EVF. It’s a great travel camera as a novelty backup to a dSLR.
The RX1 with *either* viewfinder costs 3x more and for the same money you could buy a full frame dSLR and 2-3 lenses.
It looks great, but I won’t buy it until the price falls by half, which it will eventually.
Take a chair while you wait, you’ll need it.
What do you mean the RX100 has an optical and electronic viewfinder? The RX100 has no viewfinder, you just use the rear LCD to compose shots (and hope it isn’t too sunny.)
Wel, you can always mount ovf on hotsoe – though it hardly makes sense with zoom lens.
The X100 (by Fuji), not the RX100.
well for the x100 price you can also get an aps-c dslr with 2-3 lenses, and that is even now after it´s been on the market for a bit..
Yes, the X100 was already criticized as an expensive camera, just for rich people who would pay an overprice for the exclusivity. That’s the point: if the X100 is overpriced, what would be the right word to describe the RX1?
Someone called it a “P&S for Donald Trump”
+1
image quality does not matter if it comes from sony, only affordable cheap pricing for the masses do.
Well that’s kind of what they are trying to work out with this camera.
The NEX 7 also has a viewfinder, which costs 600 extra quid on the RX1. And I want to change lens sometimes, which is priceless. This makes the RX1 ridiculously pricey for my taste.
But the NEX-7 is a pretty expensive camera and the 24 1.8 is a pretty expensive lens. And still, with the NEX-7 you get an EVF for $600 less.
Better compare with the EOS-M and the 22mm f/2 pancake. Small, well built, no EVF. All for $800. Sure it is equivalent of a 35mm f/3.2, but how much would it have added to the price to make it 1.3 to match the RX1? $100 more? $200 more? $300 more??? Still 1/3rd of the price or a bit more, and with the option of changing the lens…
Don’t get me wrong, the RX1 is a great camera, but it’s not worth that price. No way.
It’s worth what people are willing to pay. And apparently more than enough are willing to pay the current price. It’s that simple.
Exactly, it might not worth $2000 more compared to the Canon to you, but then again it’s not like Canon actually have an equivalent camera. Market will determine the price. So if Sony feels that they don’t make enough sale, they can always lower it during the holiday season. Personally, it’s simply not the camera I want otherwise I think the price is very reasonable assuming that the combo would produce extremely high IQ.
You know what? I am happy, really happy that Sony launched the RX1. It is, hopefully, the first of a kind.
What really fucks me off is that Sony has not delivered neither the RX1 or the a99 to reviewers so we can make judgements on their quality.
Nikon, however, has already a D600 review by tech radar
http://www.techradar.com/reviews/cameras-and-camcorders/cameras/digital-slrs-hybrids/nikon-d600-1096671/review/page:2#articleContent
WTF!!!
Sony man…come on! this is a way for you to get noticed! It’s not only about the glory, but also about the gold!
Sony, do I have to look at these and say: “yeah, thats nice, the a99 and RX1 should be about the same then…nice”?
What about converters like a 0.7x (for 24mm) and 1.7x (for 60mm) ?
And is the RX1 sensor (without phase detection) the same sensor
as in the A99 that has sensor phase detection?
And is the RX1 anti-alias filter weak?
3 questions for you my friend 🙂
I also want to know if there is any high quality converter coming, just like the super quality converter for Fuji X100. If there is a converter possibility, say 1.4x. Then definitely I’ll be saving my money 🙂
I’m sure 3rd party will make converters available—if the camera achieves volume sales.
Too bad the 35mm f2 has no stabilization.
The 35 f/2.0 on the RX1 have OIS as I recall.
No, it has only electronic SteadyShot when you do video (wich means a little bit of cropping in video mode).
But there’s no Optical steadyshot in the lens -> No IS in photo mode.
From Sonystyle website RX1 specificatio page:
Steady Shot Mode:Active : [Still image] Optical [Movie] Active Mode, Optical type with electronic compensation (Anti-rolling)
Ken Rockwell is an idiot and a Leica-phile, so of course a superior performing FF mirrorless that’s smaller than the M9, with a far superior sensor and costs less than his beloved 35mm Summicron lens – while absolutely crushing the obscenely noisy Leica image in every way will be dismissed as some toy for the pixel-peeping measurebators with more money than common sense … but he would be wrong.
As far as the lens size relative to a Nex version of the RX1, look at the image of the exploded view of the camera, the rear element is huge, larger than the front element and its recessed deep in the body. Look at how goofy the VG900 looks with a FF 24-70 lens, looks like bazooka is attached to the front with the LAEA3 adapter – can you imagine what a pain it would be to carry that around? I think its proving to be a bit of a challenge to produce a FF EVIL camera that’s not so unwieldy.
Well, before we had sensors and used film some rather small camera’s were made (although not always very good quality but that’s another point, same as ISO; I remember being very happy with 400 ASA slide film…).
You have to remember that ther’s something like an agle at which light hits the sensor.
– in film cameras it doesn’t matter.
– in compacts using primes it doesn’t matter (you can match microlenses to the lens)
– in EVIL it’s huge limiting factor to the lens design – something causing you’ll never see such lens on NEX-FF.
So, are you going to plunk down and buy this camera? I personally thought the Leica X1/X2 were foolish purchase at @ $2k, and I think this is not much better from a value/versatility perspective. One of the chief advantages to a full frame sensor is being able to use your existing 35mm lenses with their original FOV. That advantage is completely lost when you’ve got a fixed lens camera.
Comparisons to the Leica M system, whether by Rockwell or Sony fanboys (not calling you one) are silly regardless. This is a fixed lens camera. The Leica M system is just that, a system, which allows one to acquire a selection of outstanding lenses over the course of years or a life time and use them on digital and film bodies. Furthermore, the M9 is three years old. The fact that one of the largest manufacturers of digital sensors and cameras in the world has finally managed to create a small, fixed-lens FF camera, while a tiny, boutique competitor had a complete FF system an entire generation earlier doesn’t seem all that impressive to me, frankly.
I don’t doubt it will be long before Sony releases a FF ILC. If Zeiss is able to follow up with a complete set of lenses in a timely fashion, Sony might be on to something, provided the user-interface is halfway useable. With the NEX system, Sony finally seems to be waking up to the fact that ILC need, you know lenses, so maybe they will have that end of things worked out by then.
Yes I think I am – and I’m seriously looking at the A99 to supplant my FS100 as my money making video camera because I like the idea of steadyshot while shooting video with lenses far superior to slow E-mount OSS lenses. I’ve pre-ordered the A99 and if it looks worse than a 5d3 or D800 I’ll just cancel before it ships. Sony doesn’t have a decent 35mm lens (my favorite FL) and looking at the MTF chart of the RX1’s lens, this is going to be an absolute resolution beast. I’m waiting for tests to see exactly what the RX1 will produce.
It looks like the RX1 easily top what the ZE/ZF 35/2 can render and I think it’ll resolve more lines than the $2000 Zeiss 35/1.4 at F2 – a lens that’s unusable wide open, but much better than the 35/2 at f2. So instead of dropping $2000+ for a 35/1.4 just to get optimum performance at F1.8 or 2, I can spend a few hundred more and get a backup camera that will outperform any comparably priced 35mm lens under $3000 and takes up less space than the 35/1.4. I am speculating about the performance of the RX1 and waiting for full tests before ordering. But IMHO its already looking like the best 35mm FOV option below medium format.
I can get the RX1 in a few months, a FF EVIL with a decent slate of lenses could be a couple years away given how long it takes Sony to produce new lenses. I’m not really looking at a slightly larger Nex7+LAEA3+Alpha lens as a viable option for a FF EVIL – I’d rather just carry the A99 and get steadyshot. The RX1 will be easy to carry around at all times. If a FF Nex happens with better lens options I can reassess. Lenses are the big issue and with Sony I’m not holding my breath. Nex has been around for 2 years and there’s still only 2 decent lenses (24/1.8, 50/1.8) with two more coming (35/1.8, 10-18/4) that may or may not be any good.
If you don’t need autofocus, as video usually is manually focused, then the Samyang/Rokinon etc. 35/1.4 is a much more affordable alternative.
I shoot stills too and I mostly use AF when shooting stills. The RX1 should be great using both AF and MF. I use the ZE/ZF as a comparison because there really aren’t any other 35’s that compare. I had a Samyang 35, it was ok, but I still kept the Zeiss.
Sony Zeiss lenses are MADE BY eithe Sony or Cosina. They BUY the GLASS and sometimes a lens Deisgn from Zeiss. They then make all the other parts. The manual focus Zeiss stuff for Nikon and Canon is made by Cosina. Its not even in the ball park of the quality of the Kycrocera Contax Zeiss glass. The Sony Zeiss I believe are made by Sony. So if you are waiting for Zeiss Sony lenses CALL SONY not Zeiss.
It’s more complicated then that mate – Zeiss has long-lasting relationship with Sony and it’s known that, for example, Zeiss cooperates with Sony to adjust designs for Sony needs, as well as it’s known that they design lenses all by themselves providing Sony with nearly ready-made gear. Then there’s lens manufacturing and QA where Zeiss takes part as well – at least: to a limited degree.
No.
I think Rockwell got it right. The RX1 will just be BLING for many (NOT all) buyers.
Rockwell makes fun of this type of Leica buyer, who he calls Leica man, Here’s a quote _”Better for what?” asks the Leica man. Taking pictures? Who uses cameras to take pictures? Rarely the Leica man._
Here’s another quote from KR, that I find to be true. _We all benefit from the Leica man’s unending quest for excellence. It is the Leica man we thank for the abundance of like-new Leica cameras available used._ http://www.kenrockwell.com/leica/leica-man.htm
Re: Sample Photos
I’m impressed.
hahahaha right on !
I love how Mr. Rockwell always makes a fool out of himself.
Ken is absolutely wrong and above statement might be right, that he may feel his beloved Leica in danger.
This camera, from all I heard and read, is going to be a best-seller among old-style afficionados and real photographers.
I see this as a proper tool for many professionals as a second, and a first rate piece of equipment for street-photographers.
This camera will outsell in quantities most of other Sony products and will be the rocking star of the new introductions.
A smart move to a step-by-step approach to the professional environment, of which not too many are hanging around in standard forums, thus their voice will not be heard all that frequently here.
However, I bet, within a few months we will read a lot about this in professional magazines, once it is proven, that this little machine lives up to its expectations.
Keep on dreaming. So a “real” photog will like it??? What is a “real” photog for you. And I wonder if I am not a “real” photog anymore cause I will NEVER buy that camera also not as a third or fourth body…
Listening to the hype and all posts here there was no cam up to know that was useful and provided good pictures??? Yeah it is small blahh blahhh. Considering that most posers here only post their pictures on the web that small piece of more quality won’t matter. I won’t believe you when telling me that all of you only make large format prints (posters)….
Small prints suck. That being said, you sound extremely butt hurt that the Rx1 isn’t perfect for you.
HAHAHAH! +1
ArnikFFM, do you ever read Ken Rockwell???
Here are some Quotes from his Fuji X-E1 http://www.kenrockwell.com/fuji/x-e1.htm
“The X-E1 is made as well or better than the LEICA M9.”
” …the Fuji lenses are as good as the Zeiss lenses for the Contax G2 and LEICA’s lenses.”
“Shooting in JPG, the X-E1’s colors should be far better than the LEICA M9, and images are far sharper as well. (The M9 makes lousy JPGs, …”
“Fuji’s optics are superior, offering SUMMICRON image quality with SUMMILUX speed, something even LEICA can’t do.”
“The X-E1 is also worlds better at high ISOs than the LEICA M9.”
The above quotes, where he disses Leica, don’t seem to agree with your “he may feel his beloved Leica in danger.”
BTW it’s OK to dislike Ken Rockwell, just dislike him for the right reasons and not some made-up BS.
This is sensationalism at best. He is as hungry for attention as a cheap newspaper. His site stats must be stalling so he feels like if he is to keep getting the B&H, Adorama deals and other sponsorship cash, he has to draw attention to his site somehow.
He is a terrible photographer and his ego used to be something one could take with a grain of salt. Now, he is more akin to be a tabloid writer than a photography enthusiast. He has to put up controversial statements to get a reaction from people and get his hits.
He sells fish and chips but tries to convince everyone he is serving you fillet mignon.
I had a G2 and all G lenses besides the zoom and the 16mm. I can tell you this, Fuji lenses are not on par with those for the Contax. He is just full of shit.
I don’t like Steve Huff either, but at least the man has more respect for what he says that he allows people to comment below every post. That being said, he did delete one of my comments when I called him a hypocrite for saying one day that a camera comparison should not be done at native resolution of every cam but rather downsampling the most resolving to the other ones resolution. Later, he said the opposite.
Patrick says: “This is sensationalism at best. He is as hungry for attention as a cheap newspaper. His site stats must be stalling so he feels like if he is to keep getting the B&H, Adorama deals and other sponsorship cash, he has to draw attention to his site somehow.”
Not much different than many other Internet Personalities who say controversial things to draw attention to themselves and up-their-ratings. Here’s an interesting quote from KR on Monday 27 August 2012: “Some of you reading this don’t know me personally, and therefore take me way too seriously … You folks who don’t know me just don’t know when I’m kidding — which is 100% or the time. Junk is good; just don’t take those formats any more seriously than I take myself.” Sounds to me like KR is having a lot of fun pissing everyone off, and I’m sure he appriciates all his distractors constantly mention his name and helping his ratings.
BTW this, and most other rumor sites, are shills for Amazon, B&H, etc. Nothing new here, KR just started shilling a long time ago.
I dont care about profiting from linking to Amazon, B&H, etc. What I’m saying is that Rockwell has traffic through his site based on his ‘joking’ comments. Most of his site is not a joke and its just recently that he has started doing this (maybe a year or two) so I assume that his previous reviews and other posts were not as popular anymore.
He did always have a big opinion. Now he is using his track record of opinion and blurring the line between ‘joking’ and just calling attention to draw traffic to his site. I think its cheap. Reichman from Luminous Landscape wrote about KR without naming him and says:
“Kidding or Not
There’s a character online in the photographic community who operates a pretty popular web site, mostly about new gear. His claim to fame is that he appears to write the first thing that comes to mind, whether based on fact, research and analysis, or simply whim. When his mistakes, misstatements and sometime downright blunders are pointed out he takes refuge in writing “I have a big sense of humor, and do this site to entertain you (and myself)…. I occasionally weave fiction and satire into my stories to keep them interesting. I love a good hoax”.
OK, I get it. But this does seem akin to the teenager who when confronted with a deceit or a hurtful comment, takes refuge in the time-worn phrase “Just Kidding”. We just know, don’t we, that when someone say “just kidding” just the opposite is actually true. They are using the words to slither out from under responsibility for what was said.
Regular readers know that my writings are meant to mean what they say. I make occasional mistakes, and when I do I try and correct them as soon as possible, and also make the error known. Which brings us to the essay below.
The observations below are derived from the week or so of post-surgery when I had little else to do than ponder cosmic mysteries – including the photographic industry. But, I am now as sober as ever, and as US politicians say in their campaign ads – I am responsible for this message.”
I admire the honesty and the straight forwardness. I don’t respect Rockwell neither as a photographer or as a reviewer or even a person that knows how to practically speak of a camera or lens. All he says, in many ways, is: “I am great, you follow me, buy this (insert brand) and you will be as awesome as I am…because I am hardcore and I walk the walk as I talk the talk but unfortunately my portfolio isnt doing my any favors”
You sure your not ken Rockwell?
“…such a lens design would not have been possible to do if the lens would have to fit on an E-Mount. And a lens with the same specs and quality would be bigger if done with an E-mount…”
It will be easy to see this when the VG900 is released (which will be in about two weeks). It certainly is possible to design the lens to fit on an E-mount. Leica’s M lenses are designed to work close to the sensor and hence the adapter for the E mount is very slim. But my guess is: any M mount lens over 35mm will have issues due to acute ray angles (as this will be worse for the FF sensor compared to the APS-C sensor). Leica designs the sensor in the M range with this in mind and doesn’t use an AA filter and thick sensor cover glass.
Now, would Sony follow a similar approach? Sony has to optimise the sensor for video as well and will not care about any other brands’ lenses. They have their FF lenses which are big and a huge adapter would wipe away any size gains by introducing a NEX body with FF sensor.
So it looks like the only way to have E mount on a FF body that we all wish for, will be the VG900 camcorder where Sony’s huge adaptor and big lenses won’t matter as much. VG900 happens to be also an awesome camera!! 24Mp FF with shutter speed 1/8000 that can shoot RAW. Even Leica’s own M9 doesn’t have that spec.
I put a Noctilux (Leica’s biggest M lens) on a similar size camcorder to VG900 just to get an idea. It’s bulky as a still camera, but not too horrendous.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/72049239@N05/7988213572/in/photostream
That’s a bit of a flawed argument, comparing any AF lens to a Leica. Leica has a lot of in camera processing to compensate for various issues and of course there are no AF lenses, all Sony lenses will have AF which means much larger lenses. If the Noctilux had AF it would look like an Arri cine lens. Look at how big the Canon 50/85 f1.2 lenses compared to the f1.4’s and 1.8’s.
.. and that’s why we aren’t going to see a FF Nex with E mount anytime soon. The AF lenses are big and no need to bother making a small FF camera body for them.
+1
I want to see a Biogon 35mm, Nokton 35mm (any version you want), Summicron 35mm and any other rangefinder 35mm on the VG900. Then, we will see whether M mount lenses can trustfully perform in a full frame cam with a standard microlens array (I assume standard to A mount SLR lenses)
If they all suck (very bad corner vignetting, bad corner smudgyness, etc) then we all know how hard it is to make a FF cam with small AF lenses that will work flawlessly. Leica has a lot of software correction for the colour casts but not the smudge issues.
I have a 35mm Nokton and on my NEX 7 the edges are smudgy at certain distances. It doesnt happen on my 5n but I can only imagine how would that lens be on a FF NEX. Same goes for the 15mm Heliar.
I am wonder any where we can read EXACT sales number of specific DSLR model from every manufacturers in 2011 and 2012in 3 main regions: US, Europe, Asia. I mean only sales figure can proof who will right, who will wrong of all statements 😀
I would buy it, but I already have a Zeiss 35/ f2 biogon. So it’s hard to justify. Sigh.
My 28, 35 and 50 are on ebay right now to fund the RX1.
Why do you have Ken Rockwell’s opinion? He’s a fanboy with a mediocre portfolio.
“There are some discussions on forums (example on Fred Miranda) saying that such a lens design would not have been possible to do if the lens would have to fit on an E-Mount. And a lens with the same specs and quality would be bigger if done with an E-mount. I may ask our more expert readers to let me know if such a statement is correct or not. ”
What it means is that the RX1’s lens design is more symmetrical (more ‘hourglass shaped’), which allows the lens to be more compact at a given quality level, but at a cost of having less control of angle of incidence, making the micro lens array design more critical. However, designing a MLA for a single lens is significantly easier than designing it to match every possible lens that might be mounted on a system camera.
Sony Asia has more information on the RX1’s lens as well as its MTF charts.
http://www.sony-asia.com/corporate/resources/en_AP/pdf/AP(12September12)-FullFramePowerinyourPalm.pdf
That’s a great look at the RX1.
That MTF chart is shit hot. Compare that to the other 35mm Zeiss designs for Canon, Nikon or Contax.
It is up there with the distagons and planars.
Nice!
Please look at it carefully. It’s “computed” (not measured as other Zeiss) at 30 lpmm (instead of 40 lpmm in other Zeiss). Nonetheless, it will be a good combo especially Sony should have optimized it.
I wonder, if they designed that EVF for RX1 using the new hotshoe for Sony, why they didn’t bring that EVF for NEX-5R or even NEX-F3? That would put and end for the Smart Accessory Port.
Hey, isn’t that Macro Flash already discontinued?
To be honest: This camera gives great ideas, what awesome Sony stuff will excite me in the future, but this camera itself does not inspire me at all. If there wasn’t the form factor I’d buy a NEX-VG900 rather than this one…
Ken Rockwell has a small penis.
and a wide anus because of leica
Who on earth is Ken Rockwell? :p
I think Ken Rockwell said it the best
How much better will it be compared to fuji with 35/1.4…?
Not the same FOV, but according to the MTF, the Zeiss should be much better (Fuji 35 is somewhat weak in the corners).
hmmmm, i am a bit disappointed about sony’s marketing strategy. with an electronic viewfinder and interchangeable lenses this would be one of the greatest camera’s in the world!!!
You can add Steve Huff:
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/09/11/the-new-sony-rx1-full-frame-compact-with-35-f2-zeiss-lens-1st-look-hands-on-report/
PLEASE don’t post any links to Lori Grunin. Is there a bigger waste of space in photography writing? She makes Ken Rockwell look like a genius! (IMO)
I have a question; does any of you think Sony or some other brand will make a smaller EVF? Because I want this camera so bad, but I wouldn’t want to live without a viewfinder, and I guess a OVF isn’t very useful, as you wouldn’t be able to manually focus or see where you auto focus in it, right? I think the EVF is waaay too big – it ruins the whole idea of the camera to mount that think on top of it 🙁
Any news about all the flash units shown in the photo that (by implication) are specifically designed for the new ISO hotshoe (yet only two were announced on Thursday)?
I guess when my A99 arrives at the end of October they won’t all be available. I don’t want a flash as big at the HVL-F60M.
Imagine this camera selling for 2k, it will sell like hot cake. So the only flaw about this camera is the price. If people willing to spend that money, then its totally worth.
It’s sad how the picture also shows zero lenses. 🙁
No interest. Waiting for the next generation nex-6 with both evf and touch screen.
Next NEX-7.
“The RX1 is not an expensive camera. If you would buy the NEX-7 (APS-C sensor) and the Zeiss 24mm f/1.8 you would have to spend around $2,200.”
Lol, I love this logic. With the same reasoning, Tom Cruise’s apartment in NYC isn’t expensive. If you buy an apartment in the same building and customize it to look like his, you’ll probably end up spending $15 million.
People who think $2000 or $3000 cameras aren’t ‘expensive’ probably don’t have to worry about money.
You mean that ostrich skin Leica isn’t what Selgado was using in brazil. NO WAY. haha Leica sell more camera to rich hobbiest then pros all day long. Same applies to this rx1. Some pro will use it in some way but mostly its for people who want to show off. I’m about to publish a book ( A WHOLE BOOK) that was all shot on a c3 and a Canon g10. Cameras don’t make photographers. but in reality this is a proper camera. (well the sinar part not the nikon part) http://products.bronimaging.com/Sinar/P-SLR/Sinar-p3-SLR-C
Lol, really? You really think people will show off with Sony camera? It’s not Nikon.
umm yeah. Cause its says ZEISS all over it. Even on the attachment viewfinder.
Look. All you need is this Schneider lens and an iPhone and you are totally a pro photographers.
http://www.iprolens.com
I’m seriously thinking about buying this camera. I’m not rich, I don’t care what other people think about my camera, it’s not a fashion accessory. I look at the pictures I take, mostly street photography and this camera will serve me for 90% of the time. It is technically on paper bettet than almost anything out there at 35mm… any body paired with most lenses. In reality that means zero, which is why I haven’t pre-ordered. When Sony eventually makes an ILC version of this concept, I’ll likely buy that too, but a lot of the compactness of the system will lost, meaning I’ll keep the RX1 for a long foreseeable time. If they make one with a built in EVF (RX2?), I’f probably sell it and buy that instead, but can get by with the EVF accessory.
Even though I’m not the type of customer the A99 is designed for, I don’t bash that system and don’t understand why photogs who obviously don’t have the same needs as me have to get all defensive about protecting their camera and bash the RX1. My superior camera will still get inferior results to someone else with superior skill, it’s all about the operator, not the machine, but that isn’t any reason to not purchase the best gear available at a “reasonable” price. Is there a certain premium attached to the RX1 due to the fact that it is a unique product? Sure, but when looking at the alternatives, I’m no going to get my panties in a bunch and will just suck it up and pay the man. I think Sony could have ultimately made a bigger profit by pricing it a bit more aggressive, but this really shows how much of an unexpected hit they have on their hands, a happy accident for them.
I have the same feelings and will buy this camera , I don’t understand how can this camera be for the rich people if buying a nex plus a few lenses you’ll pay the same.
What about buying a canon 5d mark3 and a 35mm . I will sell my lenses , the 5d , a bit tired to lag them around and get this FF that I have been waiting for so long.
We know that the E-mount can (just) accommodate a full frame sensor. However is it the best mount for a full frame mirrorless – or will it force lens designers to make some unwanted compromises?
Would Sony be better off retaining the E-mount, or using a different (new) mount for a future full frame mirrorless camera system?
With a viewfinder instead of flash toy I’ll would buy immediately, even when the screen be smaller or without –
with a 24 or 28mm lens it would be a dream
Wow, this is nice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mgOKZWe3DkQ
Given the fixed lens and the price, the two things I find surprising is that it doesn’t have Sony’s best mirror-less focus system, and that it doesn’t say weather seal. The attachable viewfinder (for more money) is noticeably better than the included viewfinder on the NEX 7.
Ken Rockwell: “I expect the DSC-RX1to be very popular with the folks who always buy the latest new photo gizmos, and those who spend more time talking about them online than actually shooting them.”
I think you all misunderstood his comment. He is clearly endorsing it and buying one himself.
There’s a squishy noodle like mass inside all your skulls, it’s called a “Brain”, you all have to use it. Use it in daily life, use it to take photographs, and really use it before you purchase a camera. I personally chose Sony because I have been using there audio products since I was a kid and I would take them apart and put them back together just to see WTF was going on in there, maybe that’s a silly reason, for you reading this, I personally am happy with my camera purchases, and thus my images. I am continuously developing as a photographer, has much in life, but in my 28 years on this earth I can honestly say I’m “The Man”, what that means is just that I am happy with myself and how my life is going, how I earn a living and so on and so forth. Hey guess what, you know who else is “The Man” …. Ken Rockwell … that’s right he is doing what he enjoys (he writes a flippin blog!), he is happy with his life (I am guessing) ummmm how many of you SAR commenter’s write blogs for a living??? oh what’s that your just typing your opinions on the internet for free… hmmmmm think long and hard about that whilst you slurp up your ramen.
He’s “The Man” because he has a blog? Wow. Times have changed. I love how he slams the Sony RX1 but includes a link for it at Adorama so he can get his cut. Give me a break.
Very nice done.
This FF Fuji X100 with a true 35mm F2 in compact body is A great pictures tool.
For the same price you can have more things but more weight.
The interesting point is the weight. You can control the POV, play in the dark and move like you want.
But you haven’t viewfinder prism pleasure.
This camera is what I want and need to progress.
No because it’s new, or it’s zeiss.
Just because:
– I love FF possibilities
– I love 35mm
– I want something small
I had a DLSR FULL FRAME, i had pleasure to use it but i missed a lot of things because of the weight and the size.
I understand what i need to take pictures when i went to Thailand with an iPhone 4 only few months ago.
28mm, poor quality but very versatile.
I did that :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djenuwine/sets/72157628697756475/
I understood what i need at this moment.
I sold my 5D, Zeiss 35mm 1.4, and all things.
I bought a Nex5n with a Sigma 19mm 2.8 (like the 28mm of the iPhone) and i love to use it.
Now i can buy a Zeiss 24mm 1.8 or waiting for this RX100.
In the first and, it’s less expensive to buy the lense, but in the other hand, I could have 2 cameras with 2 focals (28 and 35mm) for big price it’s true.
So i gonna take my time, wait to try the RX100 an decide exactly what i want TO TAKE PICTURES I LOVE TAKING.