It has been a busy weekend and in case you missed the many rumors here is a short roundup. First of all a news: If you can read Japanese than download the RX100MII manual here: http://ux.getuploader.com/nokishita/download/1/44659720M-JP.pdf
The RX showdown:
The RX1R and the RX100MII will be announced on Jun 27. I guess the news will be official at 6-7 am London time. As usual you are invited to be online at SonyAlphaRumors where I will update you live with all hot links to reviews, image samples and tests. I am still not sure but It could be that Sony also announce a sort of “Mobile Cybershot” camera. And that is rumored to feature the new Sony JPEG engine that could find his way in A and E mount cameras with the next coming firmware updated (in July). And here are in short the new features of both RX cameras:
The Sony RX1R: It’s exactly the same camera as the current RX1 but it misses the Anti Aliasing filter. That’s why Sony will present it as the “High Reoslution” RX1 version. Don’t know what the price will be. But I guess they will charge you a bit extra for removing the Filter 🙂
The Sony RX100MKII: It has an “updated” 20 megapixel sensor with Exmor R technology. The same Zeiss lens as the RX100. But there are plenty of other changes: new tilt screen, longer battery life, ISO 100, Built-in Wifi, 24p recording and Hot Shoe.
One more thing: I am working on many new NEX and A-mount rumors. So if you don’t care abotu RX camera news don’t worry. Your time is coming soon 😉
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I don’t understand the anti-aliasing filter talk. Could someone please explain what this is about? I have a NEX-5R and it didn’t come with any filters, although I got a few Zeikos filters in a bundle deal. Thanks!
The AA filter is on the sensor, not the lens
It’s not a filter you can put on your lens, but a piece of glass inside your camera in front of the sensor to provide anti aliasing and/or filter infrared light. To remove that internal filter the camera has to be disassembled, that glass filter removed, replaced and reassembled again.
Does RX100MII have a touch-screen?
No touch screen.
” But I guess they will charge you a bit extra for removing the Filter 🙂 ”
If it is like the D800E then the AA filter should be in place. Only the blur component of the filter will be absent.
As is RX1 suffers from color shifts. Removing the AA (along with the IR cut components) will make it worse.
So, please do not keep saying that they remove a filter and then they may charge more for it!
RX-1R could be a decent product. It is an exciting revision and upgrade.
Vivek, stop being such a bitter person. Where does the RX1 suffer from color shifts? The color shift you speak of is due to software vignetting correction in camera, not because of the lens/sensor combo.
What did Sony do to you?
marzipan dude, It is Hendricked or Mr. Ed for you.
Anyone who uses Sony NEX know all about color shifts and it is not new in the RX-1.
Get a decent color correctable monitor, get your eyes checked, etc, etc.
Read Imaging Resource RX1 review where the color shift is related to vignetting compensation. Software, not hardware.
Also, stop using my name.
Admin, is there a way of changing Vivek’s name back? I don’t want people to think its me saying all the poisonous things he says.
You see, he is ether misinformed, ignorant, or on the payroll from the competition.
Or he is just simply a buffoon who’s got no friends in real life and trolling about his views on a camera company are his only outlet to let everyone know the world owes him something.
Dude, stop trolling! This anti-sony bashing of yours becomes boring. Make our own blog where you can publish all of your expert research based hopefully on some real life, meaningful test. If not, just be quiet.
I am not the one doing the bashing, its Vivek, who know uses my name and signs Ed at the end of his messages like if it made a difference.
Dude, my namesake, it is Mr. Ed.
More whining. Where are these horrible color shifts?
Color shift? Where?
Smoking some good stuff there…
It is not as bad as a Cosina 15/4.5 on NEX (any NEX) that the marzipan dude is raving about but it is there and shows up when least expected.
-Ed
Do you own an RX1 and have this problem on a regular basis?
Yes and as a secondary camera. Sony was hell bent on taking a look at it and did whatever they could to mitigate the issue. It is there but creeps up only occasionally.
Will you be willing to direct us to some samples of this color issue made with your RX1. Do you shoot RAW and have auto vignette turned off? I have found the RAW corrections in Lightroom to be quite good and have experienced this issue.
Should have got an exchange. I don’t see it anywhere with mine. Not on landscapes, not indoors, not even shooting a blank wall to see it.
As I said, people that have seen it fixed it by turning off the vignetting correction just like IR mentioned.
The link for the manuel is not working.
Hello admin ,
I’d love to hear about “one more thing” .
@ admin:
I can’t read Japanese. Do you know whether the “?” button is still represent?
It’s still present and I’m actually not that surprised as it’s being also used as a quick shortcut to delete pictures when the camera is in the gallery mode.
Thanks for the info. I think that is kind of disappointing (but no deal breaker for sure) to have such a button on an enthusiast camera. They should have rethought that imho, maybe put the delete button under the Fn or something like that.
I wouldn’t say its presence “disappointing” but I do agree that a quick guide is almost useless on this class of compact camera (or, at least, not worth the presence of a physical button). Indeed they could have used that button for a more useful function when in camera mode, and leave it to the “delete” function in gallery mode.
Exmor R ?
Are you sure?
It’s explicitly written on the leaked user manual.
Thanks!
Then It is completelly a new Sensor ?!
RX100 was an Exmor (non BSI)
There is a mirror for the manual. I have sent it to the admin as I can’t get past the spam filter. Did you know you can see the posts waiting for moderation in the flat view mode.
With the new sensor that ISO 100 might be not extended range. Has the shutter speed been upped to 1/4000? That would be awesome for really bright light and for freezing stuff. 😀
Max shutter speed is still 1/2000th on the M2, which is kind of disappointing.
Still has a sync speed of 1/2000, which is still exciting as hell.
Thanks again. That’s really a pity. It would have made the camera more flexible.
So this means, all cameras sold by Sony now and in the past (including A99 and RX1) are “low resolution” since they all have an AA filter.
No, it means they have regular resolution.
With the Exmor R / BSI technology I would expect the low-light performance to be close to the NEX 3N/5R. Although it is said that large sensors to not benefit as much from the BSI tech as smaller sensors, the high photo-site density of the 1″/20MP sensor warrants a nice improvement in low-light ability.
Only the sensor alone makes me want to upgrade. I don’t care about the other features.
+1.
I am dumped my RX100 already!
Isn’t it just software improvement ?
*firmware
Large sensors do no benefit as much from the BSI technology simply because the size of their photosites is greater when compared to 1/2.3″ or smaller sensors. It’s said that BSI has advantages when the size of photosites is 1.75μm or lower, but the ones in the sensor of the RX100 are 2.4μm if I remember correctly. Basically, we should really know where the break-even lies.
That said I’d be interested in the upgrade only if the new BSI sensor provides *noticeable* benefits in terms of output in low-light conditions, but I’m a bit skeptical when I read other comments around the web saying that we could get a whole stop of advantage compared to the original RX100 (mind you, I’d be glad to be proven wrong).
I’d expect about 1/3 EV improvement.
I have one thing to say.
Last week i posted 2 Sony critical comments and for some reasons they disappeared from the furom soon after posting.
I made a test and posted a pro Sony comment and you kno what…it didn´t disapear.
SAR is dead for me…
Horst. Instead of playing the victim know that many comments get into moderation because of the automatic aksimet wordpress control that is used by most wordpress sites. It puts into moderations suspect IP address, multiple posting with same commenst (you may hit submit button twice or so), badwords and post containing link (more info here: http://wordpress.org/plugins/akismet/). With all the respect, what you write is pure nonsense. And peoplo on SAR knows that because I have been the first to critize the A77 release (with many bugs on the software) and to critize soem of the pricing strategies. There is no fanboyism here. A bit more respect is welcome.
+1
It’s not exactly like that. Most of my comments are getting online immediately – definetely more than 90%. A few usually containing URLs get marked as waiting for moderation, but there are some few others never going online at all and causing an error as being postet before when being posted again.
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Additionally some comments show up as being posted normally, vanish on refresh when looking for replies and are back normally after ten minutes. Maybe this occured to Horst’s comments.
And I’d like to mention I’d liked the function when I could correct my posted comment.
BTW anything about the NEX-5R successor?
Instead of charging *extra*, maybe the original RX1 will finally get cheaper. 😀
Is the RX1R a replacement of the existing product?
No. Parallel. Like Nikon D800E is for the D800.
“many new NEX and A-mount rumors” – maybe that EMount Standard Zoom G Lens?
yep!
“don’t worry. Your time is coming soon”.
Damn, not now, I was hoping for few more years.
lol!
The link seems broken now.
I can read Japanese but cannot see the manual.
Can anyone send a copy to me?
I hope a new firmware is comming out at the same time to boost af speed!
Hi Andrea, what’s updated in the updated 20 Megapixel sensor the RX100 MKII is getting?
This manual does not say anything about hot shoe or tilt screen. Wi-Fi and NFC not describe as well and need to check another manual.
Dude! Stop trolling! Check page 15&16 for example!
Page 15-16 is only illustration, but no more detail pages to explain these features and spec.
For example, tilt screen: no detail information for the tilt angle.
Hot shoe, no support speedlight model or accessory list in manual.
For Wi-Fi and NFC detail function, it tell us to check another manual in page 10.
Sadly, the charging time for MKII is 230 min, significantly longer than RX100, which is only 155 min.
Maybe to prevent overheating while charging. But it may also be that the new battery is bigger because it needs to support Wi-Fi.
Even though it is heavier it seems to be roughly the same size:
rx100: 101.6 x 58.1 x 35.9mm
rx100 mk2: 101.6 x 58.1 x 38.3mm
I myself picked up the rx100 a month ago, looks like it’s ebay time and i’ll just repurchase the rx100mk2 when it comes out. The sensor is enough to warrant for me, the other changes are also very nice.
Any one whom read the manual, does it say if the hotshoe is the new type that can take an external EVF? That is the one feature holding me back. If You can pop in the external EVF, it would be a great camera.
Page 80. has LCD / EVF switch setting in menu.
Page 84. has EVF brightness setting.
But it does not say where user can correct EVF. (Although we all think it connects on hot shoe)
Hi does anyone think there will be any other new features in the new RX100 like recording miniature effect in video mode or time-lapse. Hope they add grip too.
Does the RX100 M2 manual confirm we can use EVF with this new model?
Yes.
Page 80. has LCD / EVF switch setting in menu.
Page 84. has EVF brightness setting.
I have a question about the new RX200 M2, I didn’t understand, does it have a better quality of photo, or is it similar to the “older”… what is an updated “sensor with Exmor R technology”, is it a new capteur ?
Sorry for my english, i m french…
Exmor R means it has a backlit (BSI) sensor, so more light will reach the photo sites. This may mean the RX100 M2 will perform better in low light than the old RX100.
Thanks
so it s the same quality except better in ISO and low light…
I don’t know if i wait to buy the “old” RX100 or the new “RX100 M2”, the price will be very different, I pay less than 500 € for the older, the older will be at start at 699 $… I thing the new have only more technology (wi-fi, tilt screen, etc…) and a little more quality in low light, but that’s all…
What do you thing, I have put what I will problably use or not ?, for that , I think i will must paid 40% more the new camera…
1. it has wifi module 802.11b/g/n :-> don’t know yet
2. it has NFC module :-> no use
3. Multi interface shoe :-> no use
4. mini-HDMI move from bottom next to Micro-USB :-> no use
5. battery life get a little boost from 330 to 350 :-> ok, but not important
6. ISO start from 100 :-> ok
7. support EVF :-> no use
8. zoom ring can be set to smooth or click :-> don’t know what is it ??
9. can choose to disable movie button :-> don’t know what is it ??
10. WB bracket :-> no use
11. battery recharge time is significantly longer (0.5a vs 1.5a) :-> ok, but not important
12. weight increase from 240g to 281g(w/card and battery) :-> no use
13. Tilt screen :-> ok, sometimes perhaps…
I don’t will used a lot of the new features… ?
Given your requirements, a camera is the wrong purchase for you. May I suggest a smartphone? I am not kidding.
ahhh crapp!!! I just bought RX100 like 4 weeks ago!! :_(
is there any other camera out there using EXMOR R? is EXMOR R guaranteed to be better than EXMOR? the only thing that makes me wanna upgrade is the sensor.
one silly mistake on this upgrade is slower batter charging. duh!! the old AC charger included in the pack is rated 1.5A and the new one is rated 0.5A.
Did they add GPS function in the RX100MK2?
No GPS related information in this manual.
so sad, I just bought RX100 like 4 weeks ago.
should I dump it for its mk2? hix :_(
the sensor upgrade is the biggest tease… plus tilt-screen and wifi…
RX100 is not getting exp comp dial, nor a viewfinder, but some more marketing mumbo jumbo. BS sensor seems very fitting.
RX1 is getting a sibling with a likely higher price tag and still the same issues, chiefly: how do I control focus with that terrible viewfinder? I am not going to pay 3400 USD for camera + evf and then rely on the autofocus, right?
These are showstoppers to me and, yes, to any photog with real-world requirements, as opposed to internet “experts”.
The factors for me that would have made the RX100mk2 a must buy are things like a faster lens even at the expense of reach , a notably improved sensor , the ability to take an external EVF .Sadly features that do not have any impact ob image quality seem to be the order of the day, at least it has saved me some cash lol
the sensor is upgraded. and it has multi interface hot-shoe, meaning you CAN have an EVF as accessory.
although personally, I wouldnt trade size to an EVF.
Just look at the pictures taken with the RX1 on the Internet…that camera rocks, regardless of some people complaining over minor problems. To be honest, I would never trade size for viefinder or other dials. Smaller size means more pictures. And having a full-frame, small-size camera is incredible.
*Any* camera rocks if the light is right. That thing is a pain to use, unless one is used to a smartphone.
I have a nikon D800, because i had all my materials in Nikon, if one day need to buy all, I thing i will buy a full frame compact (the RX100R or the Fuji), it’s expansive but no more then a profession reflex… The result of the RH1 is similar of my reflex D800, so better to have compacity…
Hi! Does anyone have any idea, when the RX100 MKII will approximately hit the shelves after being announced on the 27th of June? Any experience with the MKI? It was announced on the 6th of June 2012.
Sony need to read the RX 100 review
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx100/15
and reduce the cons/ negative comment on this new cameras
Cons
Clickless control dial contributes to vague and unengaging shooting experience
Flash metering is unpredictable
Lack of ND filter can limit the ability to use wide apertures
Screen hard to see in direct sunshine, despite WhiteMagic technology
No official option to fit filters onto the lens (third-party glue-on adapters are available)
In-camera raw conversion would add flexibility
Playback confusingly separated into stills, MP4 and AVCHD sections
Lag when trying to zoom in playback mode is irksome
USB-only charging makes it awkward to use a spare battery
So when can we expect the rx100mkII to hit the stores if the announce it on June 27th?
Patience, Patience…:)
They don’t have a good track record on this, but last year there were some problems with floods. Probably a month later, I am hoping for earlier though 🙂