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And now we are close: Highly Trusted sources told us Zeiss will announce the new Loxia 21mm f/2.8 Full Frame E-mount lens on Monday Oct 12 at 11:00 Berlin time! I have no info on the price yet but the lens has a Biogon design just like the [shoplink 9804 ebay]ZM T* 2,8/21 version[/shoplink].
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93 Responses
Not interested. Where’s the 135mm f/1.8?
In A-Mount, of course
Seems like it would be 135/2 if a Loxia, accounting for the two already released. And anyway, if a 135/1,8 or 135/2 Loxia was released for E-mount, people would ask where the SSM A-mount 135/1,8 was hiding. Then they would point to the Samyang, costing much less and being slightly sharper and mf too.
mf on 42mpx? quite hard to work with :/
Everyone who got an A7rii stopped using adapted mf lenses? This is the first I’ve heard that its 42MP would make it unsuitable for MF.
Saying MF is unsuitable for 42MP has nothing to do with my comment and nothing to do with anything really. It just says Leonid dislikes the Loxias.
Ideally you should be levelling your comment at Jesse. Imagine a hefty 135 1,8 on a 42mp body, if you had issues focusing a Loxia I can’t imagine what this lens would do to you : /
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well it’s personal thing, to be honest I hate MF except video shooting
My guess : 400grams and 1700US.
what about the otus?
@ 4X the cost and weight.
As a future former A mount user, I’m wondering if it doesn’t make more sense to just buy Canon or Nikon mount instead of e-mount to keep my options open.
What lenses are you talking about? Loxia is E-mount only.
Zeiss has the 21/2.8 available in other mounts. I realize that a native mount offers some advantages, but am wondering if that isn’t outweighed by the flexibility of being able to use the same lens on other cameras.
Personally, I am using F mount lenses for the FLs where I don’t need AF. They can be mounted on Nikon (obviously), Canon (adapter), Sony A (Leitax) and any mirrorless. For me, the flexibility it adds in terms of costs and available lenses completely outweighs any EXIF info.
Loxia lenses is not only an existing Zeiss lens with E-mount, it corrected for sony sensor. Compared to M-mount lenses you can expect sharper corners and no coloring in the corners. Zeiss lenses for Canon/Nikon mount are different lenses.
Biogon 21mm f/2.8 only exists in E mount. SLR wide angle lenses are Distagons (retrofocus).
this is why i dont understand the hard on everyone has for “native E mount slr designs”
if sony stopped E mount then i dont think you can put those lenses on anything else
What is a “native E mount slr” design? No such thing, surely.
There is. Each manufacturer has a different “sensor stack”. I.e., m4/3 sensors have a 4 mm thick one, whereas Leica M9s have only 0.8 mm. It indeed makes a big difference in corner sharpness.
There are some good articles on this, e.g.
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2014/07/sensor-stack-thickness-part-iii-the-summary
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2015/01/a-thinner-sensor-stack
theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2013/10/two-reasons.html
That’s why I’m a bit sceptic about 3rd party manufacturers’ lenses that are the same lenses for multiple brands, and only different because of their lens mounts.
Regards
My comment was regarding the “slr” part in particular.
i mean something like a sigma or tamron lens, slr design, so people want it in e mount, so it would have a extension tube basically.
And how will the Canon or Nikon mount lens work on your former/future A-mount?
How about, you first think which lens you want. And afterwards you can buy an e-mount camera for it. BTW, the A-mount 20mm f/2.8 works fine on my A7, as does the Oly 21mm f/3.5.
As an A-Mount user who still shoots film, I’m having similar thoughts. I might simply switch to Canon EF lenses and buy an EOS-3.
All lenses will work on A7, with good AF on A7Rii and probably future models too. Adapter is much lighter than LA-EA4, has much more AF points and no mirror induced light loss.
There are many more lenses for the EF mount and there are much more interesting lenses too. Most of the time, prices are not so different neither as there is a collector’s value in exotic A mount lenses now, apparently (100/2 I’m looking at you).
LA-EA4 is made to make your A7 Af properly with A-Mount lenses. Use LA-EA3 on A7rII and you get a lighter adapter, same AF speed and just as many AF points. There is no reason to use EA4 on A7rII, except maybe for very low light situations where quick AF is still needed. Speaking of which, it isnt available in other mounts.
None of my lenses do af with la-ea3.
I guess you’d literally have to weigh the differences. The ZE/ZE/Milvus is going to be much larger/heavier and they will need an adapter. The Loxia offers the size advantage and nice features like the clickless aperture.
Unless you’re running two systems and want to use the lens on both, I’d go Loxia. I rented the 35 and the 50, they’re fantastic lenses.
Yes, if that’s what you want. However, hopefully, the Loxia (perhaps) 21mm will offer something small and light which works very well on the Sony E-mount – at least much better than the current batch of rangefinder lenses. And not too expensive, since otherwise it would make quite a bit of sense to try the Milvus 21 for the reason you mention (Nikon mount so you have the Aperture dial).
Imho, it will be almost as expensive as the DSLR versions. I hope I am wrong.
Well one of the “features” of the Loxia lineup is supposed to be same filter diameter (though I wished they’re all color matched as well), so if that stays true, expect it to be similar size to the 35 and 50mm.
Price wise I expect it to be closer to Loxia 35 price which shares the same optical family (Biogon)
This is interesting. http://www.engadget.com/2015/10/06/sony-image-sensor-company/
Why Loxia and not Batis? Too bad.
Two reasons:
1. Loxias are just an adaptation of the existing ZM designs, Batis would require a whole new (autofocus) lens design.
2. Manual focus lenses offer high IQ in a small package.
I’m sure they will eventually release a 21mm Batis, just like I believe there will eventually be an 85mm Loxia, and likely a 25mm too.
I would really love to see the 25/2 Loxia version. Would much prefer that focal length over the 21.
My everyday kit is 15, 45, & 90mm, FE really needs some UWA primes, this 21 will be the first available native prime lens this wide, and will be the first time I will consider buying into Sony’s native E or FE lens line, and I have 100’s of lenses, even then, I will likely wait till the Loxia and Batis lines are filled out to decide which way I will go.
This Manual focus>?
Manual only
Yes with the ability to declick aperture so you can focus pull (for videos)
Sony is the only company creating some rumors, all other rumor sites are basically dead. Fuji, yawn, Canikon YAAAAWNN. At that 2 weeks before Photo +.
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We have loyal employees who don’t run their mouths 🙂
I hear that new dishwasher is going to be a real game changer.
Your mom’s low light abilities are a game changer
You really are dimwitted, defaulting to mother jokes so quickly. Pathetic.
21mm? f2.8? pffff good luck with it.
Good luck with what?
I want to say that this lens doesn’t make too much sense. People would prefer a zoom 16-35 f2.8 or so instead of one more cheap prime.
…I don’t think anyone ever said it was going to be cheap
well more or less 600-1000$ maybe? will wait
Look at the price of a brand new Zeiss Biogon 21mm f2.8 lens for Leica and you will get a fair indicator of this lens selling price.
I predict, the price will be 1500usd. But at that price point, I will take CV 21 1.8 anytime….
Which people?
Depends whether you want image quality and size compromise vs the best possible image quality. That is the choice you make when you choose between a zoom and a high end prime.
Zooms always disappoint me, so I generally shoot primes.
well, I’d say it depends. Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 is PRETTY sharp and it’s lighter and considering it’s Zeiss it’s going to be even cheaper. So what is a point?
PS I’d say nowadays Sigma makes a better optics than Zeiss does.
The Sigma 18-35mm is also not a full frame lens, nor is it anywhere near as wide as either a Zeiss 21mm or 16-35mm.
oh come on I gave an example develop it by yourself 🙂
There is nothing to develop! It is an entirely different lens designed for a smaller sensor.
oh gosh… take a damn 24-70mm f2.8 with la-ea3 and you’ll get quite the same fast AF + better range + comparable image quality and sharpness.
nothing wrong with the Zony 24-70 f2.8, I use it with the LAEA4 adapter, but I would prefere the LAEA3 if only the autofocu work better with the a7m2
hm it works pretty well on 3rd adapter
On the A7m2? I should borrow me one and give it a second go … That lump on the LAEA4 … What a lump …
Don’t confuse between this Zeiss and Sony Zeiss, this Zeiss don’t make photo lens that zooms, only manual primes and occasionally AF primes (only Batis and Touit)
Do not really see any difference actually, it’s the same company, the same tech, Sony-Zeiss is just made for Sony purposes and has AF, Zeiss is for everyone’s else and MF.
That is incorrect. The design team for Sony-Zeiss are Sony Japan employees, with input from Zeiss. Manufacturing also is in Sony hands with input from Zeiss.
so..?
Nope it’s not, Zeiss licensed Sony to use the brand name and optical formulas. But each company has their own product roadmaps and lineups. Sony-Zeiss (the AF ones except Batis and Touit) is designed by Japanese engineers and Zeiss basically just QC them to ensure they’re up to “Zeiss standards”.
Even the manufacturing plant for Zeiss and Sony-Zeiss are different.
I prefer to use prime lenses over the zoom lenses
same here, but prime with aperture 2.8 doesn’t make any sense. Primes are good by 2 things: sharpness and they’re light. If there is a zoom lens providing a better sharpness and smaller aperture what is a point of buying that prime? a size purpose only imo
I would prefer a 21 mm f.4,5. Because then it could be a pancake lens
+1
Getting a prime over a zoom is not only a matter of speed and size. Sure, the prime ought to be smaller, and can be faster. But the main benefit is quality if it is so intended. There is a reason why the world’s best lenses are all primes, like Zeiss Otus, Leica Summilux and APO Summicron, and other, even more exotic lenses. A zoom design entails compromises. So, if you are going for a no-compromise performance level, you end up with a prime.
Lots of things – distortion, CA, microcontrast. Your post is very limited in thinking.
there are major things and minor ones, you’re talking about minor stuff that can be fixed in software easily. If I don’t mention about side kick things it doesn’t mean that they don’t exist, I just don’t mind about them, it’s not that important imo.
I prefer a quality prime before any zoomlens, its a matter of taste, shooting style and preference. Zeiss is not only about sharpness but also micro contrast. I also prefer quality manual focus before autofocus on lenses 35mm or wider. In these lenses autofocus just dont make sens for my shooting.
I’m talking only about dark primes. About micro contrast thing: I wouldn’t say so: I tested sigma 35mm/1.4 vs distagon 35mm/1.4 on my a7r2 and zeiss was just torn to pieces. It was less sharp, had worse contrast and lower resolution. It’s a good lens by itself, but in comparison to Sigma it’s nothing. Sold Sigma though because it was a-mount, but you got the idea right? I don’t really think that Zeiss nowadays is more than a brand. Don’t get me wrong – they have some REALLY good lenses for sure like 90/2.8 (e-mount), 85/1.4 or 135/1.8 (on a-mount), but other “second party” (sort of) companies are beating them pretty often.
There is jewels and dogs in the zeiss family too… So far the loxia 35 and 50 have done fairly well. If the new loxia is based on the existing 21 f2.8 Zeiss for leica rangefinder, it might be worth the wait… And yes, Sigma got a handfull of jewels in the family too
I don’t see how Zeiss have some REALLY good lenses, if you base that on their 90/2.8 e-mount. That lens doesn’t exist. Except, maybe, you are thinking of the FE 90 f:2.8G OSS macro, but that is purely a Sony lens. And a good one, too. And the 85 f:1.4 and 135 f:1.8 are branded Sony-Zeiss, and are designed and built by Sony in co-operation with Zeiss. The only Zeiss lenses for Sony cameras are the Touit, Batis and Loxia series..
I’m pretty sure that when they develop these lenses they used Zeiss tech.
Yup, Zeiss testing machines for example. But that still doesn’t make them Zeiss lenses. And, if you care to compare the Sony G lenses (their upmarket products, lie FE 90 f:2.8 macro, and FE 70-200 f:4.0) to Zeiss lenses, like Batis/Loxia/Z*/Otus/Milvus, you will see that design choices made by the Sony team lead to different results from those of Zeiss design tems.
No, no they don’t. I’ve been waiting for an uwa prime in FE mount and this will fit the bill. I don’t like zooms.
Not everybody is willing to lug around a ~2 lb zoom everywhere they go. Nor is everybody willing to use a god-awful adapter system just to slap an ND or other filter on their lenses that go wider than 24mm. A 20mm f/2.8 prime, and the relatively tiny filter set that can go with it, is a thing of beauty to a backpacker or astro-landscape photographer who wants to carry 2-3 cameras into the wilderness for multiple days…
Here’s to hoping this Loxia has nearly as good corners as the great Distagon has, although given the likely (Biogon-esque) compromises in size / weight “thanks” to the shorter flange distance, I doubt that will be the case… I’d rather see a Tamron 20mm f/1.8 VC, or even a Rokinon 20mm f/2…
I want something similar to the Canon 22mm f2 lens. Enough quality in a small package for reasonable price to take some simple pictures on the go.
I see the ZM version for sale at 1250€, which is an OK price for me for a Loxia version. But the Milvus is listed at 1700 … so really cutting it tight. Perhaps the Milvus will end up being a better option – except that it weighs near to 1kg with adapter.
The FE 28/2 and 35/2.8 fit the bill. The Canon 22 is a APS-c lens so it’ll be smaller. You’ll almost identical FOV/DOF with the 35. Used 35’s are less than 500, used 28’s are in the $350 range.
21mm of pain.
So you have no lens yet but U are already in of pain ? Geee, how that happened …
wow, thanks God it’s not a 400mm …
… it seems to me, that many posters are in wrong forum page … Nikon / Canon / Sigma are few pages left … Just saying …
The SR5 degree of certainly is not warranted. Part of the rumour is false, and runs contrary to what Zeiss have already stated on record. Next week will reveal all.
What do you think is wrong? To me it’s spot on.
Well, can’t really talk about it, because there is a gag order until next week, but one essential component is wrong, and that means that the “source” for this guesses more than it knows. Besides, as it contradicts what Zeiss have already stated in writing, it is not really a clever guess.
OK, I missed it then. See on Monday!
Sony a? Really? I was pretty sure it’s impossible to mount Nikon lens on A-mount. Could you provide link please?