UPDATE: The lens can be preorderd at BHphoto in the Nikon mount (Click here) and Canon mount (Click here) version.
Well, if our sources is correct than the new Zeiss Otus 85mm f/1.4 lens is going to be the best lens of the world beating the current leader, the Zeiss Otus 55mm lens. And here you can see one more picture of the lens and the optical design of it.
The lens is not going to be available for A-mount but all A7 E-mount camera owners can use it on their camera via adapter!
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Surprisingly light for its size.
Six purple elements. Should be expensive.
But only 1 light blue. Damn that must be diamond.
Most likely Sapphire.
Of course it’s not for Sony mounts, despite the A7-series becoming the leading choice in professional FF Mirrorless cameras… Totally makes sense!
Isn’t it the only full frame mirror less?
Well, if you have to read that deep into it, yes it is the only FF mirrorless.. but it is nonetheless a very popular camera.
nope, the first mirrorless full frame was Leica
Good call, rangefinders are easy to forget in such a context.
There is no such thing as a professional FF mirrorless camera.
Define “professional”.
The A7/A7r are being used by professionals everyday, and you would know that if you were a professional instead of a blowhard.
There is no such thing as a professional camera either. Only professional users.
Not sure why all this Otus stuff is on a Sony Rumour site, other to rub it in that Zeiss doesn’t deem the Sony market worthy of it.
Plenty fo reaosn like for example:
1) it’s simply nice to learn more about the best lens on market
2) You can use it perfectly on all E-mount cameras
3) The day will come that lens may be available for A-mount too…
Just to say 🙂
Fair enough, but a tad cruel 🙂
I don’t question why you posted but there is no way in hell that it will be available in A mount, ever!
A new Zeiss Otus lens is huge news in the photography world, no matter what mount you use.
Sony seems to be worthy enough to have the Zeiss name on plenty of its autofocus lenses and have mirror-less lenses form them, including an exclusive Loxia lineup.
Releasing the Otus lenses in a-mount would make it the best companion given the IBIS, focus magnification & focus peaking. Considering the relationship between Sony & Zeiss, it is more than feasible for Zeiss to get ahold of some mounting hardware (and Sony could sell some more first party adapters for FE).
Sadly, it seems for Zeiss it is not attractive enough to release them for A Mount (sony should pay them more or make pressure due as a big share holder oof carl zeiss) until now…too less A mount users worldwide (pros/enthusast using a mount) and willing to pay such a high price tag…..dont know just guessing….
When they introduces the 55 Otus, Zeiss justify the non A-mount version because Sony didn’t have a high count MP camera. Nikon D800 was the only camera worth The Otus.
There was an insistant rumor about a High MP Canon’s cam at the time hence the Canon mount but nothing came out since (Postponed?Maybe Photokina).
In the meantime Sony came out with Alpha 7r, probably an Alpha 99mkII with the same sensor and now a rumor about a 40/45MP A-mount cam.
Since Zeiss justify the Otus line because of the existence of those big MP sensors, they may now reconsider an A-mount version.
By the way Sony isn’t a Shareholder of Zeiss, they have commercial agreement nothing more.
“sony should pay them more…”
I was under the impression that Zeiss pays Canon / Nikon to license and release lenses for their respective systems. Do they pay Zeiss to release lenses for their cameras?
Nice door stop- for everthing else, there’s minolta.
The next thing you know this site will be announcing, for all those ‘moon’ photographers, that the moon is for sale. £400,000,000,000,000,000,032.01
Who’ll be in the queue?
Being the best is a great feat but an even greater feat is building a very good lens (not the best) at a competitive price that will sell good. The Otus lenses are niche products that are welcome but their influence in the photography world is just like the influence of Bugatti in the auto world…
http://photobyandrei.wordpress.com/
well those high end cars does have an influence on the auto world. New tech are tested in those car because price doesn’t matter. when the technologies are mature and cheap enough they trickle down to the mass market. Keep in mind all of those luxury car brands are own by WV, Fiat,TATA etc…
Kind of same her with Zeiss in the photo world: Zeiss or Leica are the Ferrari or Porsche for photographers.
Porsche is no where in the same league as a Ferrari… 🙂
technically no (and highly debatable) but the image and legend is as high as Ferrari.
Between an La Ferrari and the 918 I personnally take the porsche.
Also price wise Zeiss is nowhere close to Leica, so to me the analogy seems good 🙂
Can I take a third option, of an Aston Martin? Not sure what lens that would equate to though 🙂
Aston Martins are fugleeee!
Nissan GTR 100k
: )
If league means in the repair shop all the time, you’re right. Ferrari’s are in a class of their own when it comes to downtime.
Well, you are set then, just buy Sigma.
Why would you buy Sigma when the Zony 55 is very good ?
@SAR_Admin:disqus Do you have any new rumors about the 85mm from Sony? I really like to know if we get 1.4/1.8 or 2.8. In case it is a 2.8 like the Alpha system, I will be leaving the Sony camp for good ^^.
The Otus is way too expensive for me :D. I can buy the upcoming 85mm + 55mm + Sony A7 for the price of an Otus!
Sony has also a SAL 85 f1.4 for the A mount so why are you complaining about? A new Sony Zeiss for the A7 (FE mount) will be either f1.8 or f2.
Sony’s trying to keep the FE lenses compact, so it’ll likely be a f/2.
GIVE ME!!
Fix Lens 85 mm
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1200 g = 1.2 kg
what the F A C K K K K K K K K K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wait. I was about to comment about the giant huge Russian Helios 40-2 85mm f/1.5 that’s extreme in every way and certainly outclasses this lens on weight and size. But according to Google that thing only weighs 900 grams (2 lbs) and it’s a lot smaller. Duuuude.
the best? my аss…
I was sure you would have thought it was awesome 😉
:))
it is… and sarcasm isn’t suitable 🙂
Very tempting, hopefully the price won’t be more than $4k.
So, Zeiss releases best lenses in the world completely disregarding A-Mount.
Makes sense, since Sony doesn’t seem to care about it’s professional system either… why should Zeiss, Sigma and others?
Oh woe is me!
When A mount becomes good for business… lensmakers will make for it. Easy.
I’m sure Sony “cares” about A mount. But it’s kind of like how you care about an old pair of jeans or a bicycle from your childhood. It’s not like you’re going to put ceramic disc brakes and carbon wheels on it.
Nothing wrong with the a-mount despite the general SAR belief e-mount is the end-all, be-all tech for everyone and anyone who doesn’t agree doesn’t know cameras. No, the real issue here is Sony not knowing how to market and develop the a-mount (notice I didn’t say SLT for a reason) brand then turning around and supposing they can use the same ineffective strategy on e-mounts assuming it’s the product’s fault. Like Ford dumping Mercury because they think that brand’s cars have a problem overlooking the fact they share everything except some body molding with generic Fords.
This has always been the case and Sony has exclusive autofocus Zeiss lenses in a-mount.
Admin…..Why buy this lens for 4K and put it on an Metabones adapter :-(((((
NO WAY!
Why? What are you worried about?
I wonder if the Sony FE 85mm will be as good as the FE 55mm is compared to the 55mm Otus. An F1.8 would be pretty sweet.
Its gonna be good for A-Mount, and E-Mount users as the technology trickles down to future incarnations of the 85mm f/1.4 A-Mount, or the rumoured 85mm (f/1.8-2.0) E-Mount.
Just wow. I have a Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 180mm f/2.8, and the close relative 200mm f/2.8. They are quite similar in design, size and weight, 120 and 145mm long excluding shade, 1,2kg each, total monster primes. This new Otus 85mm is very close in both length and weight. It really is a beast. The guys over in Oberkochen really means business! I’d love to put a QX1 at the end of it. 😉
Not difficult at all to make a 200/2.8… even Minolta has a good one.
That was hardly the point, there are several makes of 200 f/2.8. It was the similarity in size and weight that struck me. And it gave me a good feel for how massive this 85mm Otus will be. The Minolta weighs half a kilo less than the lenses I wrote about.
Hahahahaha. It doesn’t even have autofocus.
Good thing every SLT since the A57 has focus peaking.
you are right,
AF is much more important than IQ for a great photograph! 🙂
He did not suggest that AF is more important than IQ. That the Otus is huge and hefty is an objective fact, regardless of its IQ.
I believe they write it as “objektive” 😉
Awesome!!! But this lens deserves to be on the 45-46mp A-Mount.
A-mount is dead 🙂
You’re an idiot
So are we reporting on every lens that is adaptable to E-Mount now?
Lol it’s SONYALPHARUMORS, it did not start as SONYNEXRUMORS, so be glad lol.
Exactly!!
For years already 🙂
Oh wow amazing, is that chart showing a 101mm filter thread?! Does anyone make 101mm filters?
Yes, and larger too.
101 is the lens cap thread. My guess is they will try to stick with a 77mm like Otus 55 for the internal thread.
How does the Otus compare to the current A-mount Sony/Zeiss 85mm 1.4 optically? I have one myself and it’s the sharpest lens I have.
Well, no doubt it would be better. The Otus 55 is already better than the ZA 85. If money, size and weight are not of your concern, the Otus line is currently the best you can buy for FF.
Not quite… the Sigma 50/1.4 shows better image quality under special circumstances. Also there are lenses at other focal lengths that are better than the 55 Otus.
Geno, you deserve a pat on the back. There, there, good job, good job. Yes, we’re talking about the best, and you’re admitting it’s only a better “under special circumstances.” Carry on gear head.
Better under special circumstances and equal under others means overall better. Logic doesn’t seem to be your forte now is it?
LOL, equal? I think you’re mistaken. Plenty comparisons show that Sigma has more CA and less corner sharpness WO. Bokeh is quite subjective, but most would say Otus has smoother bokeh. Obviously, your “logic” does not mean much. Again, I’m actually making photograph while you gear head go around experimenting with camera and such. Big difference. Enjoy taking pot-shot at others.
Out of all those people im the only one who compared these two on a full spectrum converted 36mp camera. So, you all can learn something… god forbid.
Oh no, full spectrum! Like how many people would care for that kind of photography? Among the people that look for the best 50, how many would shoot full spectrum? So you can’t make anything worthy in normal spectrum, now you move to full spectrum just for show how much of a gear head you are? You’re making yourself looking like a joke right now… Keep it up. But let me admit one thing, it’s nice to know that the Sigma performs better than the Otus under full spectrum. It will be useful for some people out there. Let me give you some cookies.
A Hyundai is never a Ferrari, no matter what ‘special circumstances’ the argument is framed upon. There isn’t one damn person on this planet that wouldn’t trade their ‘arty’ Sigma for an Otus in 1/8000th of a second.
Those who have full spectrum cameras and know what they’re doing, like myself, would…
I agree that there aren’t many like that so your statement is virtually true. But the Sigma does have better correction.
As next they’ll release the Vario-Otus 24-105/2
23 Elements in 19 Groups
105mm filter thread
3.500g
10.000 $
🙂
Otus isn’t the name of a design, it won’t happen.
I know.
But don’t you think I just made a joke? 🙂
But…I don’t quite get it. :-/
Never mind.
They already have an expensive 70-200
Already available – but you’re off on the price
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/895001-REG/zeiss_2008_990_28_80mm_t2_9_compact_zoom.html
Considering that cine lenses are around 2x to 2.5x the price of a stills lens, I have not been all that bad with my estimation… 🙂
We want reports on EVERY new Leica, Canon and Nikon lens! Prefer Elmarit 90 any day to Otus! Admin is this SAR or AR (Any Rumors)?
Elmarit rofl have you even used any of these lenses?
I’ll wait for the Sigma Art counterpart, with AF and at half the price.
I wait for the fe lens, also with af 🙂
Half? Try 1/5 the price
So Zeiss, Sony’s prison b—-, won’t make its nicest lens for A mount? Okay, I admit it now: A mount is d-e-d, ded.
Uhm, which ZF / ZE mount lens was adopted on a-mount? None.
I feel pretty confident that there is some kind of agreement or restriction in place so Zeiss doesn’t swoop in and murder a Sony Fake-Zeiss A-Mount lens with a superior REALZeiss lens.
ZA50mm (which is amazing by all reviews) and Otus are in different leagues price-wise. Releasing the Otus for A-Mount would murder nothing.
It was a drag to spend $4k on the Otus and see the Zony come out with AF and nearly equal IQ. Still for that special occasion… the Otus is the man.
A-mount cant die, OVF will always be useful and energy efficient.
Evf was just a manner for Sony to look different than Nikon and Canon.
If you kill native mirror mounts, you slowly kill the ability of mirrorless mounts to use adapters
I personnaly believe, they will make OVF again if they manage to dominate the mirrorless market
“BEST” is relative. We should be careful not to toss that word around so easily.
I can’t think of one magazine cover or fashion editorial I’ve shot that would be better served with this lens. My clients are already dazzled by the old Mino 85/1.4, which gains in value every year, and has served me flawlessly since 1992 for the cost of about $25 per year.
But kudos to Zeiss for pushing IQ extremes that I personally receive no benefit from.
Job well done!
That’s a decent enough old lens, about the same as either the Canon or Nikon 85mm but not in the same league as a Leica lens. But like you say, for something like a magazine cover it won’t matter one hoot. These days fashion editorials could just as easily be shot with an iPhone, with all the flare and blown out backgrounds that are so common right now.
I don’t think people are talking about magazine work or wedding work here where quality doesn’t matter much, this lens is being discussed by pixel peepers who want to see it sharper than Leica. I doubt that will happen, but who knows. Who cares, unless you’re printing at poster sizes and looking at the prints close up it won’t be noticable anyway.
Umm I’ve seen plenty of Leica users who love the Canon 85/1.2L II. Nikon made their 85/1.4D look more like the 85L II when they made the 85/1.4G. Also, pure coincidence, I’m sure but Leica’s 50/0.95 Noctilux has bokeh more like the Canon and everyone says it’s an improvement over the 50/1 Noctilux.
erm… you’ve seen plenty of Leica users who love Canon 85 1.2 ? where ? in the forums right ? specially in generic ones correct ? because I know of NO single Leica user ( and trust me I know quite a few large dozens ) who want the Canon. Or need. Simply because there is MUCH better than that at the Leica camp : the departed 75mm Summilux. It just blows the Canon away. And the 0.95 nocti is way better than the 1.0 – well different to be honest. I own both. 1.0 is much more dreamy and ramboucious bokeh, whereas the 0.95 is much more controlled but at the same time more “spartan” and cold. But sharper, much much sharper way open. At 2.8 and up they equalize. But then again, NONE of them resemble whatsoever the 85 1.2 L canon ( owned them I and II before jumping to Leica ) – 85mm is a great lens but has ZILCH to do with the noctilux’es..
Glad you read the part where I said Leica users are dying throw away their Summiluxes and use the Canon 85L on their Ms. Try again.
And summiluxes and noctiluxes (and summicrons) for image quality? oh please… my 6×7 does better… and that’s without going to my 8×10. Learn the subject.
Sounds like someone knows there are some extreme hyper mp cameras coming soon.
I guess some of us will just be left behind to shoot with low resolution cameras and lenses. Probably not even as good as next years iPhone. I better give up photography and go back to school, learn a trade, and begin a new career.
I’m starting a support group for all photographers who cannot come to terms with not being able to afford this lens. We’ll talk and find resolve your mental anguish. All I need is a hundred members at $50 each… then I’ll be able to afford this glass.
Isn’t the current best the APO Summicron? Wasn’t this debated and tested?
Too bad the version that focuses in the right direction doesn’t have an aperture ring again. They could pull it off on E-mount which sees no native lens with an aperture ring(with the exception of the video lens), they could pull it off on EF-mount. Maybe they’re deliberately trying to diminish the resale value of their lenses. Once EF-mount dies, the old lenses die with it, so they could sell more of new ones, how convenient.
In the mean time, I’ll just stick to my Cinelux Premiere 85.
lol no… the 50 Apo Summicron shows CA and im sure the 135/2 Apo is better. And my 200/2L IS is better than the 135/2 Apo any day but hey… anything goes when we’re talking about absolutes.
http://genotypewritings.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/canon-ef-200mm-f2l-is-usm-long-term.html
Sorry for offtop, I have a 200 2.0L and am thinking about Zeiss 135 f2. Are you saying that 200 2.0L is better in terms of image quality and sharpness? Thanks in advance 😉
Yes… there are comparisons out there. You have a gem of a lens that’s difficult to beat at what it does.
Just another perspective, they’re totally two different lenses. The weight and the long MFD of the 200/2 might prevent you from taking similar shot (but with slightly better IQ) using the 135/2. It’s just funny how some people compare a 50/55 to a 200 and claim the 200 better. I think it’s quite obvious so there is no point to talk about it, especially when you consider the same class/gen of lens. You definitely cannot replace a 50 with a 200.
Well, I’m not choosing between 200 2.0 and Zeiss 135 2.0. I’m thinking about getting Zeiss in addition to 200 2.0 and I was just curious how good it is in comparison with 200 2.0. Now when 85 Otus is getting released it is very tempting to get it but will see how much it would cost.
Get the Apo Sonnar. I use mine more often than any other lens. 135mm was not my preference prior to getting the Apo
135 is a more usable focal length than 200 for every day stuff but that wasn’t the question kparseg asked.
Apo Sonnar is the Otus 135 already. Lloyd and Ming were hammering on the 200 f2 as ‘disappointing’
agree that 135/2 apo is otus grade but saying the 200/2L IS is “disappointing” would be the stupidest comment ever. As much as I think digilloyd is a joker, I doubt he’d be that off. Also doubt Ming would say such a thing too.
wow.
LOL, geno, as an aspiring gear reviewer, is calling other, much more well-known reviewers as joker and stupid. You know why you’re not as credible as you want to be? Cause you remain a gear head with your unimpressive photography, while Ming and Lloyd already made their mark as photographers. And your condescending attitude does show other people what kind of person you are. Deep pocket alone would not get you to the top, unless you invest in an optical bench machine to compete with the like of photozone…
LOL here we go… the villagers don’t understand something and therefore they want to burn it down. I don’t even explain what goes in to my photos and yet you know the flaws because your $5000 coffee table photo book is gospel to you ROFL
Lloyd became a joker when he started a public petition about the a7/a7r menus being difficult to use. Full stop.
Ming is a good guy though. Only simple brained individuals (you) take subjective things and try to pick a “better” because they lack the mental capacity to organise things in parallel. But your understanding that is a catch 22.
LOL geno, you think too high of yourself. You should do a bit of self-reflection to see whether you are truly a worthy photographer of the gear you have tried. I am pretty confident I can take better picture than you. I don’t need to compare your photograph to any publishing photographer because that would be an insult to them. I believe your attitude would not get you far in life when you keep calling people stupid and lacking mental capacity. I seriously hope you will become a better person than what you’re presenting yourself here. Let’s get on your life.
Yeah that reply clearly demonstrates that you lack the said mental capacity… it’s ok if you don’t understand… what matters is everyone else understands lol
Wow! Rolliflex and geno, easy big girls. That’s a hilarious paper knife fight.
Aton, Geno meant his Canon 200/2, not the Nikkor 200/2 that Lloyd and Ming slammed. The main problem they found mainly that the Nikkor is not consistent across the frame. Nonetheless, I hope to see an Otus 200/22. Thinking of getting the Cron 180, but the price is ridiculous.
Apo cron has quality control issues, flare etc.
not worth to post here as this not an alpha lens
That’s ok. E-Mount Ain’t No Alpha either.
Ever read anything in your life?
Sure… your fine blog. I’d think from your Lunar and Stellar reviews, that you of all people would understand the fraud of E-Mount claiming an Alpha logo purely for the purposes of marketing. But there is NOTHING Alpha about an E-Mount camera any more than a Metabones adapter can transform it into an EOS.
Don’t run after names. At one point I never even considered non-L Canon lenses but one of my favourites on the a7r now is the 35/2 IS (a non-L lens). It’s fairly big, very plasticky, AF is rubbish (as with adapted lenses) and the focus ring is a dog… but it’s so usable I sold the FE 35/2.8 which doesn’t have any of the said issues. If something works for you, that’s what matters… not whether it’s consistently named 😉
M’kay. Lemme’ put that red Leica dot atop my Tamron kit lens disguised for Sony and invite everyone to touch my monkey.
To everybody who finds this information shouldn’t be on this site: good news! From now on there’s a new option: you can also skip an article!
if you all have no “eye” so then even otus from next milenium, 100x sharper, will not help. hopfully for Zeiss there are anough of snoby people out there who can afford lenses that reproduce perectly sharpness kit targets.
How can I take nice photos if I don’t own it?!?! I’m doomed!
read this: http://photodoto.com/photography-books-for-beginners/
or no… better this: http://blog.zhangjingna.com/2010/10/equipment-and-where-money-comes-from.html#.VAo9NWR_vTA
Mine was just sarcasm: I’m happy technology is offering us better and better tools, but as your links prove, it’s not mandatory to buy the latest gear. (Thank you for the links, amazing stuff. The eye and brain behind the camera are more important than the camera and lens themselves)
Hi Marco, Sure, no worries, My first link is a bit sarcatsic too. I’ve got you well, that is why my second link prove that we can do cool photos with what is concidered “non professional” and be like number one photographer in a specific domain.
Yes, I just want to say: no frustration if we do not have this or that – just do what you wonna do. Photos! (advice for myself too 🙂
i’m going to hold off until the otus 85 f/1.2
Admin, please… you don’t need to dumb this place down by having post titles like that.
We are soon going to witness News reports like “A man kidnapped his neighbor’s kid and asked for a Zeiss 85mm Otus as ransom”
It’s gonna be for Canon first and 4 months later for Nikon. Why is this Sony rumors 🙂
I own the Otus, the Zony 55 and the Apo. All of these lenses show a little CA if there is a high contrast situation and they are wide open. Up 1-2 stops and they are near perfection including resolution. If you shoot at f5.6 up to diffraction limits these lenses don’t make a huge difference.
So which one has the least amount of CA? How does the Zony compare to the Otus at WO? How’s the bokeh on these two? Thank you.
Great news for the well_heeled with deep pockets. I’ll wait for the Sigma 85mm f/1.4 art lens.