Here is a short roundup of latest Honami leaks: As you know this is a high-end smartphone with built-in 20 Megapixel 1/2.3 inch sensor and 28mm f/2.0 G lens. This smartphone is also supposed to feature a new JPEG engine that could find his way in future A and E mount cameras too and it will also shot 4K video! GSMarena posted new images of the Smartphone while Xperiablog posted the first full size image sample (Click here to see it). The image sample doesn’t really look that good. But it’s hard to say if 1) the image is real and 2) this has been taken with a pre or final production camera.
The new NEX, the Honami, the Lens Camera and the new Action Cameras…there is a lot to come from Sony!
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Hmm, hopefully it shoots RAW. 4K @ greater than 24 fps would be nice.
then you need 256 GB at least for storage
you forgot 3D, otherwise they won’t film the next Hobbit on the Honami phone. Or was your comment ironic already? i hope so
Seriously? What are you going to do with raw 4K video shot on a postage stamp using a 4.9mm lens? Even 1080 is kind of pointless at that sensor size, regardless of whatever magic Sony can work on the pinhole lens.
lets see:
“This smartphone is also supposed to feature a new JPEG engine that could find his way in future A and E mount cameras too and it will also shot 4K video! ”
Meaning the next NEX 7N??? could shot 4k??? that would be awesome!
I don’t see why the phone could shoot true 4K (resolution wise) because even 1080p coming from phones today doesn’t look good. So, unless Sony has a super-duper-hyper-processor inside the phone that can handle a better resolution than true 1080p I don’t see anything better than upscaled 720p to fit 4K dimensions.
The 4K implementation, if it actually is true, is most likely a marketing gimmick. 4K raw @24fps is about 320 MB/s, compressed it would be something like 25-30 MB/s (200-240 Mbit/s). Completely unrealistic figures for a phone (yet). So, if i1 really has 4K, it will be an extremely compressed version that would be hard to use for any serious work since it would fall apart entirely in post production.
Not necessarily talking about a post production, but just quality wise. A compression of even 1mb/sec on 4K footage would mean mushy video, more so than 1080p at 1mb/sec.
I agree it may just be marketing gimmick. Meant for nothing but probably to promote 4K as the next thing and that Sony is integrating all of its products (TV-phones-camcorders) into the new standard.
A postage stamp would actually be a pretty large image sensor!
jpeg engine is quite bad indeed, but the DOF on the bike shot looks promising
How do you determine that, do you have comparable photos taken using other JPEG engines?
I you do not go to 100% it seems to me pretty good. At 100% view there is similar type of noise filtering remains as I see in my A77 at high ISO. Similar I´ve seen in output of DXO Optics 7. Color noise filtering seems to me very good indeed.
ye it certainly looks like high iso shot, tho it seems it’s a well lit scene
we’ll see I guess
If this is the new hyped Jpeg engine – we’ve got a dud.
I would say the sample image looks very good for a smartphone. Certainly better than all my 1/2.3″ point and shoot cameras that I owned. Artifacts are well controlled.
I think it’s just ultimately not fair to expect the same image quality as the Nokia Lumia 1020, given the sensor size.
I just wish Sony would have developed a 5MP sensor with 4 times the pixel size of the 20MP sensor. The image quality would have been truly great (although the HTC One did try this without the expected success, but I think it’s just bad execution of the plan in their case). This would mean no 4K, which is too early to include in a smartphone anyway.
Urban tales. 20Mp built at the same tech is superior over 5Mp: once simply downscaled the IQ would be similar. But modern NR filters reconstructs image details based on other parts of an image, pre-learning, etc, so most probably you will get higher IQ and lower noise with 20Mp with NR and then downscaling.
So, stop spreading BS: more MP is better at the same level tech. Period.
JPEG 90 quality, could also be a bad RAW render (though unlikely).
For a smartphone I’m fairly impressed… Sure, you’ll get better results from a proper camera but isn’t that the point? I don’t need something that can compete with my a77,just something that gives reasonable results if I’m out and about…
By seeing the sample photo I think the new jpeg engine is improved current SONY jpg engine. It is not a revolution but rather step in evolution.
4k from a phone? Sony is a bit crazy lately. I mean in a good way.
Where are we getting the 4k video from? If it’s from this still, that’s for photographs, not video.
I really don’t believe these “4K” video claims.
4K is awesome but I wonder how Sony deals with their battery it seems like they perform really bad in smartphone department and Nex series
Huh. The NEX cameras are among the best in their class when it comes to endurance on a single charge.
You can have videos in whatever resolution. 4K or 12K. It doesn’t matter. What matters is the bit-rate and the video quality.
4k video on a phone? There’s going to be a lot of non technical users who will be wondering why their broadband limit keeps getting exceeded!
Seriously though, if it can do 4k, a Raw 1080p throughput mode should also be possible. That would be very cool if it made it to DSLRs – 4k for resolution or 1080p for dynamic range. Best of both worlds.
Why would you need raw garbage ? The sensor and lens and generally the processing (raw does need processing) are sub-par on a smartphone. Raw is useless.
+1
(Shamb has not got a clue, as usual. Read my comment about 4K raw and bitrates further up.)
@freddo @Catalin
I said ‘That would be very cool if it made it to DSLRs’
Just to be sure: That’s ‘DSLR’ not ‘smartphone’ for the hard of reading and quick of posting 🙂
Is it really 2/3 or 1/2.3?
Based on the lens size (and the “5mm” focal length appearing on the phone) the predominant opinion on other sites is that it is a 1/2.3″ sensor. Not sure why this 2/3″ confusion is continually spread on this site without confirmation. I would understand if this was a generalistic IT site, but this is a camera-oriented site and such specifications should not be used by mistake (I would love to be wrong and receive a confirmation that the sensor is indeed 2/3″).
Nokia Lumia 1020 has a 2/3″ sensor (and the 808 has 1/1.2″ sensor) and look at the lens on those phones.
I can’t read anywhere, where it is mentioned it is 4K Video in your links.
Also, this little camera-icon on the screen menu means Still camera (at least on my own xperia). The video icon looks like a 35mm film on my xperia.
I wish I was wrong…
It was rumored that the Honami Phone will have the same sensor than the one in the latest compact cameras, meaning it will be a 1/2.3.
Regarding 4k uncompressed Video I doubt for two reasons.
Firstly I assume that processor and bus power does not suffize. Secondly even in 4:2:0, 12Bit, it would be ~240MB/s.
Even compressed assuming medium quality it would be something around 6 to 8 MB/s.
This sums up to 1h Video requiring up to 30GB capacity.
I personally don’t understand why anything above 720p needs to be in a Smartphone.
80% of its videos are only viewed on such devices.
1h
Andrea, Someone covering New Honami i1 leaks more seriously, I think you must follow this blog http://thenewcamera.com/tag/sony-xperia-i1/
Any hint on the price of the phone ?
instead of making phones with uber super infinite mega pixel on a tiny sensor that cant handle it , or phones that shoot ultra superior subspace video …
why dont they make a phone that can last a week without running for a charger like a drug addict every 5 minutes, that can fall and not break , and that can survive YOU for 3 years without needing a lab on average once /twice a year.
fubared priorities .
Those phones already exist, they lack internet, have b&w screens and buttons. The battery lasts 1 week.
I work with the newest mobile technology every day at work. I think its ultra cool! But personally, I dont need it or want it, so I still use an old ruggedized casio flip phone. Shock, water, dust proof. It’s lasted over 5 years now, and still going strong. Does EVERYTHING a phone should do, and everything I need it to do. If I need to get online or check an email, I sure can wait till I get my laptop or tablet out. If I cant wait, I’ve got bigger problems. BTW, battery that is 2 years old still lasts a week. My new battery lasts about 2 weeks.
I think that people are missing the point. 4K TV’s are the new rage. So how do you get people to buy them when 1080p is good enough. Well put 4K phones in their hands and they will need 4K TV’s to show their wares.
Just in case,
Look at the exif of the image, it’s Sony C6902 = Honami i1
Just for the record… there’s no way this is a 28mm lens. It may be a 28mm *equivalent* lens, but that’s a wholly different beast in terms of depth of field and available light than an actual 28mm lens.
Assuming the 1/2.3″ sensor rumors are correct, that makes it a 4.9mm lens, which is much more plausible. That’s why, even with 20 MP crammed into the phone, you’ll never get photos that look like they were shot with a large sensor & glass. So please don’t call it a 28mm lens.
(A 28mm lens on a 1/2.3″ sensor would give you the equivalent of a 160mm tele. Needless to say, that’s not happening. And I have no idea what you’d do with 4K video shot on something like this. That’s really pointless.)
Serious photographers are still going to want the Lens Camera with this.
The real question is can sony get it to market before the Galaxy S5 and the Iphone 6. Sony needs to be seen as the company that is pushing up the ceiling, rather than just bumping into it.
I dont know why my posts about this photo are not showing up…lets try again.
I ran the image through JPEGSnoop, and it tells me, in part, the following. ISO 64 was the sensitivity for the bicycle full res photo. Yeah…………..um…….
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[DateTimeDigitized ] = “2013:08:10 13:14:43”
[ComponentsConfiguration ] = [Y Cb Cr .]
[ShutterSpeedValue ] = 1028/100
[ExposureBiasValue ] = 0.00 eV
[MeteringMode ] = CenterWeightedAverage
[LightSource ] = unknown
[Flash ] = Flash did not fire
[FocalLength ] = 5 mm
[FlashPixVersion ] = 01.00
[ColorSpace ] = sRGB
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[ExifImageHeight ] = 5248
[ExifInteroperabilityOffset ] = @ 0x0268
[CustomRendered ] = Normal process
[ExposureMode ] = Auto exposure
[WhiteBalance ] = Auto white balance
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[SubjectDistanceRange ] = 0
[ImageUniqueID ] = “e444858c9cee35e349d5ad04473d365a”
What is honami?
As far as I can tell, it doesn’t mean anything in Japanese, it is simply a name.
Shot 4k video? Huge storage required 😮
Why all the hype about yet another 1/2.3 compact camera sensor gadget?
I feel Sony isn’t really showing its potential here. The sensor is the same size as that of the Galaxy S4 or the HTC One. Hence low light capability will not be better. The high resolution is a gimmick really. The world also isn’t quite ready for 4K.
i am really frustrated of this picture, noisy and there is processing artifacts, it is a shame that sony came after all with a camera phone inferior to GS4, what is the benefit of 20 mp camera that must be downsized to be good
shame on you sony
jpeg engine is quite bad indeed, but the DOF on the bike shot looks promising