Small updated about the new big Sony announcement rumor I posted yesterday: I am now 90% sure Sony will very soon announce (at last) two new Full Frame cameras. Definitely one E-mount, not sure yet if the second cam is A-mount or E-mount….fingers crossed and stay tuned on SAR!
Reminder: There is on Sony announcement before the NAB show in early April and one in May. Expect the two new cameras to be announced at one or both these events.
A small tidbit: One of my trusted sources told me these cameras will come with a “soft announcement”. It means almost no reviewer or press will get the camera before the announcement and the little info shared will come directly via Sony Japan. Just like it happened with the Sony A7II.
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I hope one of them is the FF version A6000, with insane burst rate+good AF speed+cheap price. I’m totally cool with plastic build+lack of weather sealing+low res EVF. If it has extraordinary noise performance like A7S, then I’ll buy f****** two of them, maybe three!
Would be nice to see any A-mount camera but not holding my breath.
Very soon like August 2016? or May 2015?
I do not get the “at last” part too. It has been less than 6 months since A7II announcement. Just couple of years ago Full Frame announcements used to be 3 to 4 years apart…..
Even on A mount there is an unusual flurry of new bodies lately. This is not normal. Back in 2006 Canon 350D, Nikon D50 and Minolta 5D lasted on the shelves more than 2 years each. Even so the next generation models like A100, 400D etc. were only incrementally better.
A7II is really a bugfix release of A7 – a sign that A7 was initially rushed and it missed on lots of small details – mediocre codec, no IS, no liveView in USB tethering, slow AF. Note that most of these were remedied in less than 12 months of the A7 announcement in other models A6000, A77 II and ultimately A7 II (which again is not quite good model as the phase detect AF sensors only covers about 50% of the frame…)
I wrote how soon: Double April and May announcement.
Thanks!
By the way here is the reason I did not get this at first. Quote from the post “There is on Sony announcement before the NAB show in early April”
“on” in that context I read as “NO” announcement in April and I guess now you meant “ONE” announcement in April
a new 11+7 ? no thanks We all cannot wait the new FF E-mount, many expectations!
I was hoping for some a7000 news :-/ Been holding off purchase of a6000 for a couple of months now due to these rumors. First, “in January”, “but in February at …”, “end of march”, “in april”, “in may” …
January was CES and I said I didn’t expect anything
February was for FE lenses.
Please do not confuse things. And follow SR4-SR5 ranked rumors. SR2 and SR3 are very wild rumors.
Nothing APS-C? Right, well, if I go ahead and purchase the A6k then you had better believe that they will release an APS-C successor to the NEX 7(and kind of the A6k) in an instant and the A6k will lose 1/3 of its price overnight. Like the Nex 6.
So, buy a used one & stop worrying about it… It was dirt cheap around christmas… Where were you?
Used there are two problems with: 1- Not many of them around and 2- that machine-gun shutter in a non-pro rated camera makes used cameras with say under 10k shutter actuations probably relatively hard to find even if you’d wish to.
It was as cheap as it has been a month or so ago here, at around 640USD. Can currently be had new for around 670USD. The NEX6 fell quite substantially in value as soon as the A6k was announced. I bought the NEX6 a month or two before that.
Of course the key is not missing any valuable photo-ops because you are waiting for something that may or may not materialize and I need fast AF in May, so I’ll get it at the latest then.
For georef I’m in Sweden. There are currently 0 A6k at the largest local photo site, and 0 in ‘Tradera’, the Swedish ebay associate. The ones available from Europe amount to about the same price as new from S stores at prices given.
You seemed pretty sure about this one, though…
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-a9/
No offense… But you had several SR4-5 rumors insisting that big cameras were being released in Jan/Feb and “very early 2015”
That’s why they call them rumors!
Its just that I am impatient and would prefer to get the camera today over tomorrow. But I also do not want to get the camera now and see the successor launched a month after.
How could I blame you about it? I am sure you do the best you can, even though you mentioned anouncements in February, at cp? or whatever it was mid february and it ended up quite quiet 😀 Just so you can understand my thoughts.
You know, they all are just rumors. Even if it’s SR5, it can be proven wrong. I understand how you feel because I’m in the same boat. But we really can’t blame the admin. Sony is to be blamed for not catering to its customers.
I wasn’t blaming the admin, I know (s)he does the best, but I am still a bit frustrated with the situation itself 😀
Don’t buy a6000. Its EVF sucks ass. Go with NEX7 while you wait for A7000.
I want a cheap A-mount Fullframe or a much better a99.
an A88 (or however do you call it) with the current A7R sensor and a A99II with a counterpart to the new 50MPix Canon… would be really great and covering both, (non-professional) enthusiasts as well as well as pro-studio shooters. Using the “old” sensor and maybe just put it into the current A99 body would also decrease costs making a very good FF A-mount available for well below 2000€…
Sony must insert internal 4K DCI at high pro bitrate if would sell yours new products. Samsung in NX500 insert 4K
I really hope it is an entry level FF body with no EVF like the original NEX-5 line but with FF sensor and with a new compact lens (priority with compact size, not IQ). Sony needs to grow it’s market as big as it can, because if Canon gets into FF mirrorless it’s over for Sony as Canon still has a much stronger brand name and will take over easily if Sony has not planted it’s seeds.
A7rII and RX2?
No RX2 info yet
So… The new E-mount camera is the new A7RII then. Gotcha!
Admin upvoted your comment too 😉
This is hard. I’m off to the Photography show in Birmingham next week and I might just pick up an A7II if there are some good deals. I just hope I don’t regret it a couple of weeks later…
Saying that, an A7RII is bound to be north of £1700.00. Plus I don’t think I need 50mp, so I probably don’t!
That’s what I keep telling myself!
I could deal with a 50mp A7RII – it wouldn’t bother me. I’d be more annoyed if it came with vastly better AF (A6000 or better).
Maybe a RX1 MKII then?
Fingers crossed for 50mp!
It would be really questionable move to release two FE cameras… It would be SIX in less than two years, while both NEX7 and A99 need successor.
My guess: the successor of the NEX7 was the A7. The A6000 will remain the top of the APS-C line. The ragefinder styled NEX7-equivalent is the A6000. I do not expext to see a NEX7 alike camera soon. If positioned significantly above the A6000 it would cost as much as an A7.
When it comes to a A99 successor, you should ask yourself: Would you invest your money in the development of a platform, which you have already choosen to abandon?
If they are really abandoning the A Mount, then why bother refreshing all of those lenses lately? I think that there will be a successor to the A99 sometime this year and it will have everything that Sony can fit into it, and most likely be a very good camera. There are just too many people with large investments in A Mount glass to abandon it at this time. I would however welcome a very high end A to E converter with FF PDF coverage.
Of course they will not abandon whole bloody system. It is much easier to put one great body in production, than to loose all the lens sales. I think they should do it now, along with a7000, and release A7RII soon after. A7SII should be out in Q4. If A7sII comes out now, it would be insanity, six months after A7s. They will hurt their own prices by doing that.
Nooo don’t say the A7 is the NEX-7 successor! I want an A7000 so badly!
A7 is FF, we want crop factor!
My guess: a6000 was placed as a nex6 replacement as advertised by sony themselves. If you dont want to believe this, shoot nex7 for an hour and than switch to a6000 for another one. All this means their best apsc is 4 years old. They will not want to stay there, because competition in apsc segment is trampling them. You dont just give portion of the market to competitors. That is also the reason a99ii will see production. Why would anyone build new lenses for “abandoned” line at all? And a77ii is proof they did not abandon anything. They will only stop making lower end stuff, and concentrate on high end apsc and ff only.
And of course it should cost not as much, but more than A7. Make it track AF better than a6000, bring back body and EVF of NEX7, put 5 axis IBIS in, and thats it. It would be higher grade camera than A7, it should cost as much being crop. Canon 7d mkii costs pretty much more than 6d, and with a reason. New Nikon aps-c will topple D610 pricewise. There is no “rule” FF must cost more than aps-c.
It would be no cell to finally see a professional-grade A9 camera with slightly larger, more robust build and controls but I’m afraid all we will get is a 50 megapixel A7R II, which is great if you’re into that kind of thing.
Look of all fine lenses for a-mount!!! Now, it is time to upgrade a99, isn’t it?
a99II with 50MP, IBIS and quiet shutter would be awesome. And would be a serious competition to Canon 5DS with 50MP!! let us hope…
No RX2?.. No thanks..
I hope not! RX1s is what I’m waiting for.
If you think about it…
A7 series has 3 different sensors for 3 native lenses:
A7/r/s for 35mm 2.8, Loxia f2 and 35mm 1.4
While none of those will be as good as the RX1 Sonnar with its great character and performance across the frame (unparallaled I must ad) there may be little in the way for Sony to feel motivated to bring another RX1, unless they would, if they want, release 24mm and 50mm versions (which would have been nice at the start)
The main reason for its success is, that the RX1 is almost perfect.
Besides AF speed and better high ISO there is really no need to change anything.
The ISO is already great on the RX1.
I should know, I have one.
Can shoot up to 6400 and work the files till there is almost no noise seen in the shadows with C1 or Lr (better on C1, though)
The AF is probably its biggest weakness, only when compared to current bodies, though.
Also worth noting is that it would be nice to have a couple of other things added, like focus peaking without magnification.
Yes, high ISO is very good on the RX1, however, you can never have enough sensitivity. Look what the A7s has to offer: You can use shorter shutter speeds and can even stop down a little in very low light. Some people still yelling “you never need ISO 400.000 … bla bla..” But when you out in the streets at night, you can’t deny the possibilities the A7s opens up in low light situations.
For me, the low light performance of the A7s sensor alone is a quantum leap and a true revolution. With this in an RX1 successor (of the same size of course) a dream would come true.
Yes, AF is indeed the only real weakness if the current RX1.
Add fully articulated flip screen, add pop up EVF, improve AF by 300%, stick in IBIS (or OSS, whichever one is better at keeping size small) and increase ISO performance by 3 full stops and then you have a true RX1 successor.
an articulated flip screen, an EVF and IBIS, all that would make the body significantly bigger. IBIS is very useful for video and telephoto still photography. But is not that important on a fixed wide angle lens compact. So, I hope none of this features will come to a new RX1 II/RX2.
I see it in a different way: Sony presents a new a7 each time there’s a new sensor available on the market (Sony actually sells sensors).
Sony RX1 is a different camera, with a lens coupled directly to the sensor. Something more costly to develop and build, despite the lack of EVF.
Next RX2 should have a new curved sensor, following the past rumors published here, and a faster lens.
Honestly I’m more interested in something like this, than buying a camera getting “old” after just few months..
The thing is, no camera gets “old” after a few months. Only in the mind of the consumer. If there was an RX2, I wouldn’t think immediately of selling my RX1 unless the RX2 offered me something good enough to sell my camera for.
I sold my NEX 7 with 24mm 1.8 for the RX1 because it is a big upgrade. I didn’t sell my RX1 for an A7/r/s or A7II because neither of those gave me anything I needed that the RX1 can’t and the RX1 lens is pretty much the only reason why I keep it. That, and the fact that I can truly drive it to its limits; something that many consumers believe can’t be done unless you acquire new gear that will help you get THAT shot.
I know a lot of bloggers today tell you tha the new R8KX is better than the R7KR because only that marginal “feel” of a better photograph and DR makes it a worthwhile upgrade. That doesn’t help anyone’s wallets but their own. What should be enphasised if that great work is produced by anyone with the skills they have, whether using an RX100 or a 1D X and “old” cameras are only old when you truly need more than they can offer.
By “gets old” I was exactly thinking about that, when the consumer tries to sell his “old” gear, and its value has decreased a lot. It’s what happens to A7 cameras. RX1 is different, it still holds a good part of its value, also because a new iteration is not available yet.
(I agree on everything you wrote)
I think monetary devaluation of gear is something that everyone lives with today. It’s part of consumption. In this case, instead of true obsolence, perceived obsolence is what drives the sales of new equipment and that same perception devaluates previous generation items.
While the RX1 is different, up until the point where the RX2 comes up, don’t be surprised to see it devaluate quickly. If it does devaluate quickly, I’d be happy to get a second one because, for what it does, it is the most amazing thing. You just cannot get the same image quality or character from any other camera combination.
“If you think about it…”
So patronising. Maybe he has thought about it? I’d like to see an RX1 update too. Gone on, patronise me.
WTF sony, where is the NEX7 successor?!
We do not want FF, we have plenty of GREAT and affordable lenses for APS-C.
Dynamic range and noise of A6000 are almost the same of that on A7 once DOF is matched.
We have no need for FF!!! Stop pushing it on us!
A7s Mark II is a no brainer
A7s Mark II? The A7s has only been out for 9 months…
9 months is ages. Sony updates their mobile phone lines every 6 months.
Comparing the mobile-phone market to high-end camera market is apples to oranges. Totally different.
Not really. Sony pumps out a7 bodies non stop with incremental updates, just like the phone industry.
You should be able to dial 911 from a Sony A7 body…”Help, my value has fallen and I can’t get it back up!”
but a 7s can’t be used as a cell phone 😉
No longer true Z3 will last 1 year! Z4 will only come in the Autumn. The 6 month thing was crazy suicide Z2 to Z3 is only cosmetic difference….
Irrelevant.
No wonder they lose so much money lol
One of them has to be the A7R ii – I can’t see Sony taking the 5Ds lying down… I’ll be very interested to see if they’ve managed to implement EFCS and a quieter shutter this time round.
No EFCS would be a deal breaker for me.
Why? They have 2 other body versions you can get with EFCS and full silent shutter. I say leave the EFCS out and max out the resolution. That’s the whole point of the different variance, so each one can be the best it can be within it’s domain (in this case IQ and resolution), they aren’t supposed to be all jack of all trades.
I’m aware of that, but what’s wrong with them ALL having EFCS?
If Sony can implement high resolution AND EFCS, that can only be a good thing. The care needed to get the best out of A7R because it lacks EFCS is well documented.
It isn’t just the reduced shutter shake and noise – it’s the fact that EFCS also makes the shutter release so much more responsive.
Sony’s taking it lying down alright.
A M-mount version (A7m) would be a screamer.
Take an adapter, glue it to A7, problem solved!
If the ‘adapter’ is a Zeiss Ikon Digital then yes.
> ““soft announcement”.”
Hmmm… this rules out it being an A9. Or even being a breakthrough A7r mk2 with a 50 megapixel sensor.
My theory is: one camera will be an A5 (a lower end FE camera than an A7, and without an EVF) or an A7s mk2 with only an update that is a small refresh (such as sticking with more or less the same A7s, but adding internal 4K. But no IBIS, as a A7s with internal 4K *and* IBIS would lead to a bigger announcement than this). My hope is the latter of the two happens, but if doesn’t happen at least that means I can keep on hoping the A7s mk2 will be a *BIG* upgrade! (10bit 4K internal, S-Log3, user LUTs displayed, FHD 150fps, IBIS, no clip limit, etc…. one can dream!) Plus would be kinda nice to see a Sony A5 announced, as a cheap FE option. (likely priced similar, or even less, than the soon to be announced Sony A7000?)
As for the other full frame camera from Sony, I suspect this could be the Sony A99 mk2. As it would make total sense for them to make that be a soft announcement, as it will allow them to keep their A mount users (kind of) happy for a couple more years but at the same time not allow it to steal too much thunder away from their main focus which is FE mount cameras now.
Another smaller possibility for their 2nd camera is it isn’t an interchangeable camera at all (though SAR didn’t mention that possibility), and it is a Sony RX2 (or rather a Sony RX1 mk2).
I don’t see an A5 FF comming. FE lens lineup pricing would not match.
Really hope there is an A99II with and updated EVF and ultra-fast AF system…
@SAR_Admin:disqus why are you doing to us? (LOL)
Are you sure that both cameras are FF? If this is the case, either Sony is going to release one in E mount and one in A mount or it is going to release one conventional E mount and one professional E mount. Either of them is very exciting news to me. I was about to go with Nikon, but if Sony is going to give me a large FF with 14-bit RAW and EVF, I’ll wait. This is the key question, are you sure both cameras are FF?
Both FF. And actually there shoudl a third FF for video makers 🙂
A7R II + A-Mount FF + A7S II (FF for video)
Sorry, it’s camcorder I heard!
Wonder if they’d announce at NAB? Or do they skip that, too?
Do you need a camera now? Get a Nikon. Can you wait? Wait.
For my kind of photography I used to await the next camera/lens release with anticipation. Gone from X700 to R1, A700, A350, A550, A580, A58 and NEX5, NEX-5N, NEX-6 and now also RX100. What I have A58/NEX5N/6/RX100 are doing fine. Now looking for next releases from Sony to “cheapen” my final purchases, these being A6000 for 5N and RX100III (EVF & 24mm wide). The “race” has been run and the goal line is in sight. Will also help on my bank account.
Also hoping for a A7000…doubt that’s coming though. Especially given this announcement is for FF….
Ah…the elusive A7000… that mythical camera, for which there’s been not one single, solid rumour on the whole of the internet.
Admin, do you have ANY specific information on new A-mount body, or is it all still hope?
My guess is A99 II
Sony is doing so well playing hide and seek.
Nearly nobody had a clue about A7 II until it was announced!
That’s what I’m hoping for. As great as the new A7 cameras are, the best option for people like me who have a big investment in A-mount glass is to wait for the successor to the A99.
Another A-mount is highly unlikely. This stuff is getting away from the stores. Only a few entusiasts may purchase anything like A99II nowadays. And even then A-mount EOL rumors will not stop and nobody would seriously invest into this system anymore. It is a dead horse.
Soft announcement…barely any advertising huh? Has to be A mount!
a camera just to take pictures it would be nice
That’s called the A100.
lol yes but I would with new sensor technology, a kind of d700 or DF but a reasonable price because of the absence of the video
is machine translation so I hope you understand me
If they did release an A99II (with better EVF, ultra-fast AF system), I’d buy the Sigma 35mm F1.4 ART and 50mm F1.4 ART for it in a heart beat…and the 24mm F1.4 ART (due March 20th)…
So Sony should focus on A7rII instead as to not leak revenue to sigma?
i thought Sigma said they are not making the 24 ART for Sony?
Thanks for that. We were all dying to know what you were going to do in this hypothetical situation.
Iikely an A6100 with slight improvements since they may not be ready with a revolutionary release for another year. A soft announcement because most A6000 owners wont substitute it. This would explain why the A6000 has come down in price. It is normal to react to feedback and fix a few shortcomings to keep customers happy. This is their high volume seller that eats a lot of other cameras for breakfast so they want to keep it up to date.
IS, better video codec and may be 4K will make A6100 irresistable
If the A6100 gets IBIS, codec & 4K, the it wouldn’t be a soft announcement. But it would be one heck of a camera though. Especially considering that it will be in the same price bracket.
Just a little spec bump to make us feel like it’s 2015 (faster processor: 4K@30p and 1080@120p, 14 bit RAW, improved tracking algorithm, bigger 2M EVF, bigger battery) and it’s good to go.
14 bit RAW on a Sony ? It’s nice to have some dreams
Full frame haters unite! Tonight is the night! Say no to full frame!
Smaller is where it’s at! Just ask the bumblebee bat! Bigger is just lame!
We want lenses, bodies reduced in size! Not gear of monster size!
You allz’ brainwashed! By marketing hogwash!
Time to take a stand! Say no! Say no!
Go Go Go!
well… use ur cell phone…..
Shut up and go get a Nikon 1.
Nikon 1 J5 is coming soon with 4K recording. Since 4K from Panasonic FZ1000 with 1″ sensor is perfectly usable, the Nikon could prove to be a great video camera for casual use.
Everything will have 4k eventually. 4k isn’t exclusive to 1″ sensors.
People (foolishly) switch brands for it wanting to be on the cutting edge. Sad, but very true.
I don’t care about what features cameras will have “eventually”. I care about what features the current models have, as they are the only ones I can buy right now.
And who said anything about “exclusive to 1″ sensors”? I certainly did not.
For casual use only. Indeed.
Try to focus manually with a Nikon 1….
Nikon 1 cameras are overpriced.
I just got the j4 and a 70-300 lens
Surprisingly good quality…this lens is the only worthwile one for Nikon 1 system…but with 189-810mm equivelent and near macro focus at all focal lengths…plus a fraction of the size weight and cost ofieteher E or A mount, ..its a really usefull carry around camera.
No it will not quite produce the results of full size cameras…but at 20mp for the j5….worth checking out.
I’ll say no to full frame….as soon as my wallet can say yes to medium format.
Says every McDonald’s and WalMart employee that can’t afford a full frame.
Ugh, more Full frame cameras, how many variations do you need ? Give us the A7000.
Atleast don’t make the next full frames look like a toy camera aka A7 series, and make a rangefinder style and a DSLR style with a top plate lcd.
Would you buy crop camera that is more expensive than Sony A7 regardless of the feature set? A more expensive crop camera than A6000 will be more expensive than A7 like NX1 or GH4 are.
I hope for A6100 – just add the missing bits to A6000 – mic in, headphones out, IS, better codec like A5100 and 4K recording. Further refined AF algorithms would be nice. A6000 is not perfect in AF department just very fast but it needs refinements to focusing algorithms IMHO
Agree. A6100 with A7 II style upgrades like better handling, better build and improved AF back end and improved video. A better EVF is very likely as well as is IBIS. They could do pretty much that with the A7 II at the same (launch) price point. Not a complete new model, just an improved one… an A6000 II. Weather sealing would be pointless considering there are no WR crop lenses (the other thing the crop fanboy like to whine about is using those ‘massive’ lenses from FF on their dainty crop bodies).
Oh and please Sony for the love of god, enable the custom function ‘focus settings’ on this new updated camera!
There are many high end crop cameras that sell well, NX1 and GH4 like you mentioned and 7DM2 , 70D , and D7100/D7200 from Canikon, and of course the expensive Fuji’s and Olympus’s. All of which get cross shopped with the A6000 and often times people pick the camera that cost twice as much as the A6000 for the feature set, or simply because they look more substantial. If you go on the DSLR forums you will see that many full frame camera owners buy crop cameras specifically to augment their FF lens line for sports, wildlife, vacation usage, etc…
Yes! I would buy APS-C over A7! I don’t need the razor thin DOF of FF. I don’t need the size and pricing of FF lenses.
I want the zoom created by the crop factor and pixel density of NEX7!
m43 is your world then, join olympus or panasonic they make awesome cameras 🙂 maybe even better than sony emomd5 mark 2 awesome looking camera
I want APS-C because of the SNR. Sony made NEX7, a wonderful tri-navi photographer’s camera.
A7000 is overdue!
What is wrong with A6000?
Many rated it as the best camera of 2014. (period)
No crappy Samsung or Olympus comes close in prices vs. features. M10 is may be the closest thing yet it is so far behind.
I own one and own A7 too. Love them both.
EVF sucks ass. It is just plain awful. There is no tri-navi. There is no level gauge.
I can agree on the pixel density issue. 11 MP of the A7 crop files is too little but 16 MP of the A7r crop files should be pretty good for anyone.
But razor thin DOF ??? You do know you can stop down right ? And with at least one stop ISO advantage over crop you are never really short on DOF.
As soon as you stop down, you have to use higher ISO to get same exposure you are getting on a crop sensor. By using higher ISO you are getting the same SNR and DR of the APS-C.
So why in the world would I want FF?!
How long have you actually used a full frame ? I find it superior in every way to crop – DR, pixel level sharpness, ISO performance, color etc etc.
The only way APS-C wins is in cost and size. APS-C is a compromise in IQ.
Of course medium format is better than full frame but medium format also costs 10x the price of a A7. While the rumored A7000 will cost as much as an A7 costs today.
Four months now, A7. SNR and DR are nothing to scream about even compared to NEX7. They are on the same level with A6000 when you use same DOF.
Cropped images are of course worse than those of NEX7.
Wow OK. My findings were pretty much different but to each their own. I personally hated the nex7. Just didn’t like that sensor.
Top plate lcd is an anachronism from film cameras.
Totally agree. But the FF craze is now in full swing and Sony is mindlessly chasing it.
Notice that FF boosters now patronizingly refer to APS-C as a “crop camera”. Give me a break. There is no “cropping” going on in these cameras .
“Full Frame” is marketing genius.
you are so good at teasing and building up the tension till it hurts.
That’s what she…..nevermind.
Alpha 5 + 35 mm lens f 1/4 = 700 euro.
Alpha 5 + 28 mm lens f 2 = 700 euro.
Sure….
If Sony is telling the truth, that they do plan on continuing A-mount, then we can hope to possibly see an A-mount in this announcement. Been almost a full year since the A77ii announcement, and over 2 years since the A58… Hard to say that you are keeping a system alive, if you don’t even release one body per year.
If Sony is serious about A-mount having a long term future, we should see an A58 and A99 upgrade — You can’t have a long term system without an entry level camera and the A58 is too outdated at this point.
If Sony is at least serious about A-mount in the medium term, aimed as enthusiasts, then we will finally at least see A99ii. Given the great selection of full frame cameras at similar price points, it’s hard to see many new buyers attracted to the A99.
If Sony is blowing smoke, and has no real future plans for A-mount… then we won’t see any A-mounts this spring or summer…. we might still see a body here or there over the next 3-5 years just to really sell to current A-mount lens collectors.
How many full frame DSLRs does Canon introduce every year?
Unfortunately, Sony is not serious about A-Mount.
They should be honest and frank, and announce the official dead of this line-up.
More and more people are switching to Nikon D750 as they don’t get what they want from Sony.
They aren’t stupid to actually tell people they are shutting down A mount. They will leave it open to interpretation or make a few updated lens releases here and there and a body every 2 – 3 years just to keep whoever is still stupid enough to still have A mount lenses (like me. 🙁 ).
Since 2012, Canon EOS has announced/released 6 full frame cameras: 1Dx, 1Dc, 5Diii, 6D, 5DS, 5Dsr.. so on average, about 1 1/2 cameras full frame cameras per year. 4 in 2012. None in 2013 and 2014. So far, 2 in 2015, and it’s still the first quarter.
So in the same time that Canon has done 6 full frame cameras, Sony A-mount only has 1, from 2012.
Since 2012, Nikon has done 9 full frame cameras.
And Sony E-mount has done 4 full frame cameras.
So 2012-2015:
Canon: 6. Nikon: 9. E-mount: 4. A-mount: 1.
How many mirrorless FF cameras has Canon or Nikon produced in the last 5 years?
That’s great if you are an E-mount user. But I’m talking about the future of the A-mount. Sony is indeed quite serious about full frame mirrorless. Unfortunately, they are not serious about A-mount.
My point is that Sony has been very busy and producing many FF e-mount cameras and lenses during the past two years, even Sony has limited resources. Whether or not they are serious about a-mount will be obvious in the next 6 months. The fact that they are continuously updating a-mount lenses would indicated that more bodies will follow. I wouldn’t write off a-mount just yet, the system still has a lot of potential.
I agree the system has potential. We will see in the next 6 months whether they are writing it off or not. Again, if they are serious about it, then I would expect to see 2+ new bodies this year. If we don’t see anything in the next 6 months, then we will know they are not serious at all.
Sorry man, but I think you’ve wasted some your time typing those statements… People seems to be quite unclear on what you’re talking about. Anyways, you are right. A-Mount has a very good potential, but it’s very hard to say that Sony has been serious about it. No new lenses, one body every year, etc… I can’t exactly see why, but we’ll have to wait.
pull back couple of months and Canon goes to 2 bodies for 4 years or if you want expand the period to 7 years and Canon is one sensor in 7 years….just extended to 2 sensors in 7 years.
So changing the subject to avoid the argument? First off, Sony A-mount has only had 1 full frame sensor in the last 5 years. (2010 to present). Canon has used 3-5 different full frame sensors during that time. But again, I’m not solely talking about sensors.
Why pull back a couple of months? That would still be Canon with 4 bodies from 2012-2014. Sony with 1 body from 2012-2014. And as I said, if Sony is serious about A-mount, they need to release new bodies soon. So we are talking the present — 2012-present.. Canon 6 full frame bodies, Sony 1, so far.
Expanding the period further back doesn’t make much sense, as full frame dSLRs simply weren’t common until the last 5 years. Canon only has 1 full frame camera, and Sony had none, from 2002-2005. Only around 2008, did Sony have 1 and Canon had 3. So if you really want to stretch from 2008 to present: Sony with 3 full frame cameras in 7 years. Canon with 8 in 7 years.
Of course, that ignores the fact that Canon, Nikon, and even E-mount and Pentax have increased the availability of full frame in the last 4 years or so.
Sony’s current 24 megapixel sensor was introduced with the A99 and Nikon D600 in fall of 2012.
Correct — It is the only full frame sensor Sony has used in A-mount in the last 5 years (2010-2015) as it is the only full frame A-mount camera in the last 5 years.
The A99 is an A-mount.
Yes…. it is the ONLY full frame A-mount from 2010-2015. Keep up.
You were referring to the sensor, stop trying to spin your BS. The sensor is slightly over 2 years old not 5.
No… Look at my discussion. I’m talking about cameras.. not sensors. Someone else tried to divert the argument to sensors. I never said it was 5 years old. I said it was the ONLY full frame sensor used by Sony in the last 5 years. So if the argument is that “well… Canon isn’t offering more choices than Sony A-mount” — That argument is patently false.
The A99 was introduced in very late 2012, do the math. Hint: it’s less than 5 years.
Reread his initial post please, understand it, otherwise keep quiet.
What you’re doing is intentionally framing the argument in a way to obfuscate the facts. Lying in other words.
Please show me 1 lie?? You keep trying to change the discussion. I am discussing full frame A-mount cameras. The present. Not 10 years ago. Not sensors. Not mirrorless. I am talking about full frame A-mount cameras. I have not lied once. Stop trying to change the subject, stop trying to distract.
It’s funny how you pretend the FF sensors in the A7 series somehow don’t exist. Why are you trolling?
Is the A7 an A-mount???? I am not discussing what Sony, the whole company is doing. I also don’t care what TVs they are making, or what movies they are producing. I am talking about the A-mount!! A different product than the E-mount!!
Me: Sony has been neglecting the A-mount.
You: You’re wrong!! They have given lots of attention to the E-mount!!
Ummm.. duh.. I think you just made my point for me. They are indeed neglecting the A-mount.
Ok I did not mean that Canon do not make DSLRs – they evidently do. Still I do not see 1 year model dynamic in the 7D and 5D line up i.e. where Sony actually has some A mount models. Clearly A5x is discontinued as a product line. A6000 and A3000 replace it.
A77 II is one year old these should be a year or two more before Sony should replace it. I am still considering if I will buy it or skip it. A77 IMHO was hasty and incomplete release so it needed quick replacement. A77 II I seem to like.
A99 is 3 years old so it is due for replacement in next 18 to 24 months right? Same as 5d mk3.
I do not understand why people woudl think Sony is abandoning A mount. They focused on few lenses last year – 70-400 mk2 seems most interesting to me but I opted for the 70-400 mk1 second hand to dip my feet into wild life without putting morgage on the house.
This year they will likely upgrade the 16-35 and 24-70 which is good. I woudl hope they add SSM to the 85 and 135 lenses. This seems more important than yearly release of bodies.
E mount is different. First the current lie up is far behind A99 – focusing leaves a lot to be desired, ergonomics is still getting to where it needs to be – you know lots of stuff is just not right yet. At the same time Sony can only turn Nikon and Canon users with the A7 line. A99 and A77 II even if much better than Canon/Nion cameras stand little chance of turning people to Sony – many lenses are still missing, people have already large investments etc.
A7r II with improved AF in low light and few fixes (light leak, sensor flare, body ergonomics) would be an instant hit amongst photographers. If they also add stabilization then A7r would turn many many people. So it is understandable that A7 cams release on monthly cadance though this is unnerving for me as I invested in A7 and would have preffered some FW updates instead of A7 II.
Actually, many people believe the 5DR and 5DS are the replacements for the 5Diii.. there may never be a 5DIV. You can’t look at each model in isolation, you need to look at all models. Since the 5Diii came out, Canon has released 3 additional full frame models, the 6D, the 5Dr and the 5Ds. I don’t care if Sony calls their next camera a A99ii or A99x or A98xyz… The A99 has grown stale, especially at its pricing. A-mount has no fresh full frame cameras, mid level or entry level. It has 1 camera that can be considered ‘current’ — the prosumer A77ii.
In terms of focusing on lenses — they have updated the SSM mechanism and coatings on a few lenses. But they haven’t introduced any NEW lenses in 2 years. They had never ever gone previously 2 years without any new lenses.
ok got it. I thought the new 5D bodies are much slower, lack any credible video option at all and have limited low light capabilities compared to the 5D mk3. You may be right though 5d mk3 is unbearably expensive it is actually much more than what 5D series used to be before. Perhaps 6D mk2 will be the proper 5D IV
On the Sony side I doubt we will see anything different from A99 and A77 variations in the future. Ideally they will release A99 alike A mount body without mirror so that technologies can converge. We are still not there yet let’s first get a really working A7 body. This may be the sole reason Sony are delaying the A99 II – it needs to be mirrorless and the ViewFinder needs quantum leap to get at least the A900 users back. Looking at A7 II there is a fair bit of work to do before we see this A99 II
PS On the lens side. Sony resources are clearly drained in making these new FE lenses. Still they do find resources to brush up the better part of the A mount line up. My guess is A mount will in the future get most tele-lenses and bigger lenses like 135/1.8 and 24-70/2.8. FE will get the smaller lenses like 24-70/4 and 70-200/4. I do not find much to complain about. It is one system with two faces – compact and fat. I use the 70-400 on A6000 and am considering the A77 II for the few unique extras
I don’t think we’ll ever see another A58-level A-mount body, since Sony appears to have pushed all the low end to E-mount. I do believe we’ll see an A99 successor late this summer / early fall, but if it comes with this announcement, all the better.
I’m literally waiting for the pre-order link.
Than I could finally change my name 🙂
My money stays where it is until an A9 is introduced. Of course, that assumes it will have some real technological advances. From a business perspective, Sony would probably come out with a low end FF. Making FF inexpensive and locking buyers into the FE system is a good way to grow the FE line over the mid-term.
I can bet that one is the RX 2 with curved sensor and the other is the A5 full-frame without viewfinder.
I’ll take that bet. How much?
Either of those would not be released silently.
Try A7R mark II and A7S mark II.
After the A7ii’s launch?
If Sony introduced a medium format camera with 5mp EVF and a 80mp sensor, global shutter, and 10FPS for $2999. I wouldn’t buy it if also had the same 11+7 lossy compression that plagues the Sony mirrorless line today.
I was actually hoping it would be lossy if it reduces the weight of the camera. I’m all about weight reduction.
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trolololol 😀 😀 😀 i had a great laugh at this one, thank you sir !!!!
Which one?
Stop trolling, Max Anton “Casper” Berlin…
There was a funny joke here earlier. But it’s been censored by the Sonstappo.
All the time you moan about the same thing, I see great images taken with the A7 family of cameras every day.
Have you ever thought about dedicating your life to something less pointless?
Anton Berlin and Bob are one in the same.
Great deduction, Holmes……..
You’re wrong. Both of you.
Max Berlin and Anton Berlin are the same alias. But that’s it.
The real question being WHY do what they do, nothing better to do!
Aren’t you the moron who calls himself “meta-troll”?
No, that would be me. I post as both Bob and Anton Berlin (among other aliases) to make the conversations even more confusing than those two trolls manage to do on their own. There is a Bob and an Anton Berlin (and they might be the same person, who knows?), but not all comments posted with those user names are written by them. Some are written by me.
JJ and Anton McBob are the same person.
Show me a large, 30inch print from a 16bit printer that doesn’t look absolutely AWFUL from artifacts. Sure it might be fine on screen but in prints it’s attrocious. I have rented the cameras and wasted over a hundred dollars on a print
Post this photo, or it didn’t happen.
How about I record my speakers to prove they sound bad? Or photograph my screen to prove it has better image quality than your screen?
This response is sarcastic
No, just a link to your website will do………but you don’t have one, that could be an issue BOB.
God you are clueless.
Then don’t shoot pictures if that’s you want… Easy eh?
Sorry, but is awful artifacts only a Sony thing?
It’s from the lossy raw compression
Will you not get those awful artifacts with Canikon, Pentax, Fuji, Panasonic, etc.?
http://www.briansmith.com
He also runs basic workshops, you may actually learn something too. Plus, unlike you, he’s a hell of a nice guy and proven (we can see his work) photography master.
http://www.briansmith.com
You may actually learn something too. Plus, unlike you, he’s a heck of a nice guy and proven (we can see his work) photography master
You need some basic photography courses my friend, what you ask isn’t that tough. Apple just managed to cover the side of a skyscraper with iPhone imagery. You should start by visiting your local Apple Store, sign up for one of their “basics” courses, master the iPhone & iPhoto before venturing into more complicated territory with the A7R.
Sigh, poor workman blame their tools……..
Lossy raw compression artefacts have nothing to do with skill. Also, good workmen don’t use poor tools
Non sequitur
But, you did figure out its only YOU and your alter ego ANTON who’re too thick to get a quality image out of the prosumer-easy-to-use A7 right. Dumbass!
Yet craftsmen make any tool work with little to no effort, guess we know why your skills fail you hobby-bob.
I doubt you have done either, but if you did and you feel that way, I’m glad.
Compression artifacts actually is a real problem though and has been a problem with the Sony mirrorless cams. You really need to know what to look for and be educated enough to realize how the problem occur. I don’t think there are that many people that actually suffers from it though so even though it can be a problem for “pixel pushers” with specific scenes, hues etc it isn’t for the vast majority of shooters.
Still it probably wouldn’t kill anyone to have the option to switch to a more lossless alternative if needed (or wanted).
I know what the problem is, it’s just not that big a problem. I’d love Sony to adopt 14 bit in their E cameras, but I’m not going to cry about it every day until they do.
Wanting or hoping for something isn’t crying though.
I was referring to the person I was originally replying to. I’m not familiar with your posts.
Again with your 11+7 complaint.
Seriously, you can’t even tell the difference.
In this thread: People who doesn’t understand the definition of the word “rumor.”
Im strongly suspecting a new FF 4k VG900 “multi-purpose” Handycam. A new photo/video camera would really help move those new Sony FF lenses.
Im guessing NAB is where they would do it.
PERFECT!
Unrestricted record times, cinema profiles and an A7S type sensored VG900 would be fantastic coming to think of it Cliff!
You can forget SLOG2….i seriously doubt they will give that to a Handycam. That would seriously threaten Sony’s higher models in ways the current A7s doesnt.
I could live without SLOG2, the Cinema Profiles 1 though 6 get you most of the way there, plus they’re better for daylight shooting without built-in ND’s (it won’t get built-in ND’s either).
At this point, Sony is going to do WAY more harm than good to itself it it releases another A-mount camera!
Harm to whom?
Harm to customers (yanking them back and forth, building animosity and frustration, and destroying trust), and even more harm to the company for seeming like it has no flippin clue what direction it wants to go.
Problem is that sides like this (and DPR) are feeding this kind of “harm” not Sony. Sony is telling over and over again that they don’t leave A-mount, but are people listening? NO!
Sony Shows they come with new cameras (the A77II) are people seeing is as a proof Sony is serious with E-mount? NO!
Sony did come with the A99 just 2 1/2 years ago, look at Canon when did the6D came to the marked? Exactly 2/12 years ago, no successor for that camera either… When Sony (or Canon) comes with a new FF DSLR it must be special (like the 50MP Canon, or some realy cool new features, or super good AF, or…)
I don’t see Sony dropping A mount. We don’t even know what would happen if it came down to it. I mean…there still trying to sell 3k lenses for that system! Could someone else pick it up? Could we get FE cameras with better A mount integration? Better adapters…who the heck knows? Sony probably doesn’t know either. It’s a wait wait wait…and then MAYBE see approach.
yeah sony management seems to have no idea what they are doing…releasing a new camera every other week lol even lens manufacturers like sigma plainly say they dont want to play with under aged kids ( aka sony ). that’s what happens when you give money to unresponsible kids to play around. sony will be nowhere without 1 of all good lenses and other accessoiries. Besides that their lenses are overpriced. Who cares if the camera is somewhat cheaper and good on paper if you have to pay much more for lenses which are scarce anyway. A paper tiger…………my sincere opinion not trolling or anything. I know some people who are always fan of something will be upset, but grown ups do not get emotionally attached to a company i use sony-anon and panasonic. If one dissapears i don’t care….if one is better i’ll buy…..i don’t care what name is written on my gear as long as it does what i want. Sony has some perks but the drawbacks are huge. Only reason any pro photographer uses sony is because they are sponsored by sony to do so. If they paid me mo
ney sure as hell i would use a7r and say it is great …people like frank doorhof…alexander heinrichs and many more would never use a7r instead of midium format ( usually used anyway ) or canon and nikon.
Dude, nobody is panicking except a few internet addicts who have no time taking pictures because they sit all the time in front of the Internet at home writing nonsense. Many pros and amateurs have already switched to the Sony systems and are quite happy because Sony cameras and lenses meet their needs. I strongly suggest you quit whining and find a more useful activity like going out and taking interesting pictures or, improving your photography skills by taking courses, reading online materials etc. because I seriously doubt you get paid by writing this stuff. To the contrary, I am worrying you are a genuine person writing his genuine thoughts and that worries me more. Get a use for your time.
Yanking them back and forth? That is only amongst the SAR ranters. The a99-2 will come this year. a99 has obviously dwindled, it is no longer for entry level users. A-mount lenses work just fine on e-mount bodies and I expect the adapters to get even better. The systems are very complimentary.
Why harm ? They are launching new A mount lenses so why not a body to go along with the lens ?
As it is people are leaving A mount and not to E mount but to Nikon or Canon.
I have shifted to E mount and I don’t like it but I lack the funds to move. If I had to do it all over again I would have taken a stable system like Nikon or Canon but I can’t do it now. Sony has zero resale value where I live due to people believing they may not stay in the photographic business.
As it is they are currently ignoring their E mount APS-C users.
It’s why I haven’t bought any FE lenses. I think I’m going to sell the A7 and just move back to A mount. I already have a small system and feel like they overlap. I also have zero interest unloading all of my gear…and if it does happen it won’t be Sony.
My words
I think you are more worried about the resale value of your equipment than about improving your photography skills. Which one improves more the quality of your pictures as time goes on? 😉
Sony camera do not really have zero resale value wherever you are on earth or, perhaps you live on Mars where all cameras have zero resale value. 😉
I am a small time pro. I need my equipment to perform. I wish I was making loads of money right now so I can switch but I am not so I will stay.
I shoot weddings in pretty low light so I need good low light af with decent tracking capabilities. The current Sony cams are decent but nowhere near the sophisticated af systems that nikon and canon have.
When I said zero value I was obviously being sarcastic but the truth is there are few buyers and few over here care to even try Sony. They don’t feel they are a serious camera company like canon or nikon.
To be fair I love Sony for my amateur work but for pro work it isn’t very good for multiple reasons. And my findings are that the fe mount isn’t really suited for a majority of pro work. Lack of good lenses, sub par AF, lack of 3rd party support, poor after sales service etc etc
a7s-II at NAB?
How long will this comment last. I bet it will be deleted fast!
Someone doesn’t want it stated! That full frame is overrated!
Why they full of fear? Why don’t they want to hear?
Say no to full frame!
Word!
Why do you think FF is overrated? I think there is a place for all formats:
Cellphone type of cameras (with very small sensor sizes) for casual shooting and people who want a camera just to take snapshots.
Compact P&S cameras (a bit larger sensor (up to 1″) in a small package): for people who want a bit better then the Celphone and who want to zoom…
Larger sensored cameras (M43 and APS) for people wanting good IQ in a small package and some control over DOF.
Large Sensor cameras (FF) for people wanting great control over DOF (even when taking a group picture)
Very large sensored cameras (the real Hasselblads etc) for people wanting excelent IQ, high resolution and super cool pictures….
So if YOU don’t need FF good for you, but others may want it, so you won’t buy it, let others buy it as it might be the right camera for them.
In your opinion. I won’t bore you with the reasons why I disagree.
I don’t understand the logic of your comment, there are plenty of FF, APS-C & M43 cameras available. Choose whatever you want, but FF will always have the best image quality.
There is no ‘logic’ behind a claim that “FF will always have the best image quality”. The advantages it has to day are small, and temporary. There’s nothing magical about the dimensions of 35mm film in today’s world. But there is definitely some marketing magic attached to the term “Full Frame”.
The general consensus after reading various camera reviews (DPReview, Dxo and else) is that FF has overall better image quality than smaller sensor (better low light performance, better dynamic range, etc.). Shaloower depth of field is also more possioble with FF than with smaller sensors if that’s the effect the artist is after. Nobody has said FF is a magic. It’s not like a giant leap ahead of APS-C or even M43 but FF sensors are overall but not in all aspect partially better than them. And some people are willing to pay extra for those advantages that seem little to some others. It’s like those who are willing to pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars more for a lens that is only %10-%20 than the cheaper one. If I can afford the cost of the camera and the associated lenses, I would certainly be happy to pay the extra for a FF package that suits my needs. Some may not find the difference worth the cost. It’s up to them. However, if more people buy FF, its price point is also more likely to fall to the same level as the APS-C system which would benefit those who like to h have FF..
I agree with most of that, except that I’d call the DOF issue a ‘difference’ rather than an ‘advantage’. I think though that some if not all of the current performance advantage is simply due to manufacturers offering their best technology in FF sensors in the interest of selling everyone a new camera and lens system. I don’t think there is an intrinsic, physical or electronic reason why larger sensors will always have better performance. I’m aware of the arguments about pixel/cell size, number of photons gathered etc. but I’m not convinced that these factors have nearly the importance many people think they do. They strike me as largely after-the-fact rationalizations. The real ‘magic’ is in the term ‘full frame’ which implies some sort of breakthrough, and that anything less marks one as an amateur.
Size matters.
While it may be true that it’s not the size that matters so much as what you do with it that counts, having a larger tool only helps you get the job done better. Just ask your wife.
…or ask your neighbors wife.
I don’t get the point of having a Nex body FF camera if I need bulky lenses anyway… I mean, FF users don’t mind a7II size.
I’d like the NEX 7 sucessor (a7000?) improving the current a6000.
I’d love to see an A5. It would make a great lightweight landscape camera, and would be cheap second camera to an A7 system. Brink it on.
Spend more money and buy more leica lenses!
I for one love the fact that I can use the voightlander 40 1.4 and 21 1.8 in such a small camera
I’m hoping for an RX2R with 5 Axis IS, Hi-res EVF built-in, 14bit lossy and that same crazy good Zeiss Sonnar T 35mm but maybe f1.4 this time. AND a 50MP A7x with 5 AXIS IS and all the other trimmings. Am I asking for too much?!?
Yep.
I would like to see a 36-50MP A99 A-mount replacement as one of those announced cameras. Add in the new 5-axis stabilization and that would be a tempting upgrade/addition to my A77II.
The other one I would like to see is an updated A7R, ala A7R-II. Give it an improved 36MP or a 50MP sensor along with an electronic shutter and new 5-axis stabilization. If the AF is improved, comes in the body of the A7II, and can shoot 5-8fps, then that might possibly sway me to jump from A-mount to E-mount. I’m really jealous of some of the FE-mount primes that they have been releasing.
And for the love of all that is good, give us uncompressed RAW.
Don’t care, I am happy with my 7s
At this point, I don’t know if I’d invest in another A-mount camera if they offered it, as it’s putting more money into a dying system. It’s like saying, “No, no, the A99 wasn’t the last FF A-mount; the A99 *II* is.” It’s still dying; just leaving the ventilator plugged in a little longer… 🙂
You’re probably not alone on that one.
True. If you have a lot of A-mount glass, buying a new A-mount body now isn’t necessarily a bad decision, as it could last you a good, long while. Then just adapt that glass to e-mount once that body finally dies, which could be years from now.
Quite sad, but very true. I wonder if there actually are any A-mount users left who believe that A-mount will continue long term. Sony might not have killed the A-mount directly, but they certainly have done so by lack of marketing and products.
Only way I would invest in anything A-mount now, is if all upcoming A-mount lenses were fully compatible with current and future E-mount bodies with a hollow adapter without SLT (meaning new AF motors capable doing fast AF on mirrorless), making them reasonably future proof when A-mount is dropped. Or perhaps another A99 body, now heavily discounted or used, in case one of my cameras (A99 and A850 as back-up) dies.
At this point I just hope they release SLT adapter based on A77M2, release A9 with dual card slots and faster AF and officially announce that there are no more A-mount cameras coming ever. Just to put everyone, still holding on, out of their misery 🙂
Amen.
Well, everyone had to know that SLT was just a temporary solution until on-sensor focusing methods improved.
SLT is, but it doesn’t necessarily imply A-mount death. And they can reuse mirrorbox space for 3-CMOS or 2-CMOS camera.
Agreed, there was an a-mount before SLT and there could be one after as well. But is seems pretty clear that Sony has put their eggs in the e-mount basket.
You can never be so sure at the current moment.
My bet is A7s II and RX2.
I hope for a A7sII too
I hope that if they introduce an A5 EVF-less pocketable FF, that they at least come out with a collapsible 28-70 Powerzoom akin to the SEL1650PZ. Granted the lens will still need to be bigger but that would still make a killer combination.
I don’t know about the collapsable lens for a full frame… It goes against the philosophy of high image quality for small size. If It’s collapsable It’s not going to be as good, or if It’s good It’s not going to be cheap… If you want small power zoom lenses just have a5100 IMHO
It may be possible to make collapsible high quality lenses. Let’s see review of the new Voigtlander Ultron collapsible 40mm. Collapssible does not necessrily means it should become a pancake. Even if it’s possible to reduce the lens size by %30 when not in use, that’s already adequately collapsible. It also doesn’t have to be solely for zooms.
1. The Voigtlander Ultron is not collapsible…. you are talking about the new Voigtlander Heliar, which does NOT have autofocus, and can not be focused unless you buy an additional helicoid M mount to E mount adapter (unless you use it as a fixed focus lens)
2. The 40mm Heliar does not contain any auto focus mechanisms, it was made to be collapsible at the expense of price (cheaper due to lack of focusing components), size and design for focusing method used in M mount lenses. Most if not all Sony lenses from here on out will be auto focus lenses and will require additional space for focusing hardware.
3.The 40mm Heliar is not a zoom, Maxwell Starr was suggesting that sony makes a full frame power zoom lens. Based on the APS-C 16-50mm power zoom and its rather poor performance overall compared to the non-collapsible 18-55mm lens; it would be a waste of effort to make such an inferior lens for the novelty of it being a smaller full frame package. I would suggest that they focus more on high quality lenses for the full frame and that people who care about size of body+lens can stick to their APS-C and the 16-50mm powerzoom
yeah sony management seems to have no idea what they are doing…releasing a new camera every other week lol even lens manufacturers like sigma plainly say they dont want to play with under aged kids ( aka sony ). that’s what happens when you give money to unresponsible kids to play around. sony will be nowhere without 1 of all good lenses and other accessoiries. Besides that their lenses are overpriced. Who cares if the camera is somewhat cheaper and good on paper if you have to pay much more for lenses which are scarce anyway. A paper tiger…………my sincere opinion not trolling or anything. I know some people who are always fan of something will be upset, but grown ups do not get emotionally attached to a company i use sony-anon and panasonic. If one dissapears i don’t care….if one is better i’ll buy…..i don’t care what name is written on my gear as long as it does what i want. Sony has some perks but the drawbacks are huge. Only reason any pro photographer uses sony is because they are sponsored by sony to do so. If they paid me mo
ney sure as hell i would use a7r and say it is great …people like frank doorhof…alexander heinrichs and many more would never use a7r instead of midium format ( usually used anyway ) or canon and nikon
Cool… Let’s wait for more detailed rumours.
Wow someone here really hates free speech.
No, I think somebody here just hates the same old spam day after day.
Or delusional free speech, that has to be obliterated.
The admin is from Europe and has that “everyone must get along and agree at all times” attitude.
1. He probably doesn’t realize that this is highly offensive to most Americans as photography and free speech are part of our DNA.
2. This kind of ‘don’t offend’ attitude is how guys like Hitler get their way e.g. “don’t do anything to upset the fuhrer”
Some people wanted the trolls out but without the trolls SAR loses half of its page views and all of its fun.
Free speech in the USA, go tell that to the White House Press office, LOL.
LOL, good job, Bob.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
He’s not “Bob”.
He’s “Anton Berlin”…
Bob doesn’t write rubbish like that.
No, he writes a different kind of rubbish.
You are embarrassing the USA.
FBI is looking for you…
“free speech”. cute, classic comment, as expected from a brainwashed us citizen.
Everyone is free to express their opinions, that is a right. That doesn’t save you from anyone elses free speech.
Free speech just means you won’t be prosecuted by the federal government for what you say. It means nothing on a forum.
ahahaha… do you really think you have free speech on a website?
I think the most important thing for the A6000 successor is the price point. Sony needs to keep it as affordable as the A6000 was, or else it won’t be able to sell as much as the A6000 did.
As much as I’d love to to see 5-axis image stabilization in the camera body, the price is priority 1. Stabilization my priority 2.
The rest is extra fluff.
From everything I’ve read on here the next E mount will be the true Nex7 “high end” successor. I don’t feel that was the A6000. I would love a high end model with ibis, higher reseloution evf, another control knob and if they improve the iso performance and DR with more megapixels as they did from the 16mp 5n to the 24 mp A6000 that would be a bonus. A little better AF with things coming straight at you would be great as well.
I wish Sony introduce two FF cameras with E-mount… One is A7S with global shutter and the other one A6000-like under $1K..
The A6000 is an APS-C camera.
The intimation was for body size. The OP mentioned the desire for Sony to debut two FF cameras in E-mount, fully aware of what he or she meant by A6000-like.
Why do so many people think the A7s II will come before the A7r II? I think the R has a much broader appeal to photographers. And for video people – well they should be getting gear that is more suitable for video anyway.
Because the A7r is targetted at landscape photographers and A7s at low light and videographers, landscape you usually stick it on a tripod and makes the 5 axis stabilization less useful than if you were shooting in ultra low light or doing hand Held video work?
I totally get the argument for low light video. I just think a 12MP sensor is a very limited appeal affair in a high end camera. I mean I get it – stellar high ISO. It makes sense. But, I have seen the image comparisons – and yes, the A7s is better than the A7r – but it isn’t light years difference.
What they really need is an A7x with super autofocus and 10fps with a deep buffer.
The a7 II uses the same 24 mpx sensor. The a7r uses a relatively old 36mpx sensor. It would make sense to update the r. If Sony has a 50mpx sensor it would be their flagship. Canon starts preorders of their 50s in April. There are probably photographers who don’t follow the rumors like us, that may be persuaded one way or the other if they had a choice of Sony vs. Canon high mega pixel cameras. Unless Sony has a technical reason they can’t produce the sensor now.
I’m in on a a7r II, please have the 5 axis image stabilization. and perhaps some decent video. Better battery. Do you think the Body will cost more than $2,000? That’s my budget.
Yeah, 2300 – 2500$ I would guess.
A7R was $2500…will probably cost roughly in the same price range.
All the cool things are on E-mount, no love for A-mount, sad.
Such as? Wide angle lenses…no. “Bread and butter” lenses like 70-200 2.8 or 24-70 2.8- nope. Standard portrait lenses like 85mm and 135- zero. Fast AF- not even close. You have the buzz still resonating from the 55mm 1.8 because nothing else has got the dogs salivating at the steak. I think the coolest thing Sony has really produced has been the A77II. 5 axis- ok, 5 axis. Well, A7S…alright alright…A7S.
Except lenses.
No f/2.8 zooms, really?
Why sony update 3 lens for amount? 16-35,24-70,70-300?? I dont understand why? Why not new lens but only refresh? Why not presented roadmap amount several years? why they are not present roadmap and tell people that develop amount. They are very strange. I wait max 3months on new body and go to canon.
Bye, have fun!
What’s so funny? i’m 7 years in sony. I love this system but if there is no future for example, past three-four years and sony dont present any new body or lens what then? how to invest 6-7k euro now in amount? I would love to be confident about the future. Sony pls
Come to the dark side, join E mount!
You said it yourself. “If there is no future…”. Some might miss OVF’s, but the mirror box is an unnecessary relic of the past in the digital age. Mirrors will disappear.
You had 7 years loving the system (which you can still use), but if you are looking towards the future, it’s clear Sony don’t see a mirror box in it.
Exactly!
Sony sees only money.
Make it cheap and sell it pricy. And to get it, they also have to do it the way, they can charm canikons into their spider net and suck out all the money possible.
They have enough variety in the A-mount line up.
No need for new lenses just for the sake of having new lenses.
no 45mm tilt shift, no 24mm tilt shift. no 24mm f1.4… im sure there are more but those are the 3 on my radar.
Not enough variety. When Sony gets a lineup as Canon or Nikon, THEN you can say A-mount have enough variety.
And Minolta isn’t an option anymore. Try getting a Minolta 20mm F2.8 to a Sony centre for repair (even if the internals are pretty much the same as the SAL20F28 they wouldn’t take it). Now imagine if you had a Minolta 300mm F4 or 400mm F4.5 which are more difficult to get…
If Sony kept making new releases for A-mount on a regular basis, maybe today we could have the amazing Sigma 120-300mm F2.8 available for A-mount too…but nope…
agree… if any of there lenses needed an update its the 85CZ and the 135CZ!!! those are still screw drive AF!!
85mm zeiss is coming soon, for E-mount of course, by the same Japanese designer as the amazing E-mount 55mm zeiss. AF will be as fast as the 55mm.
Need 135 please…and 70-200mm 2.8 while your at it. Thanks Sony.
ur icon is annoying
your lack of an actual user profile is annoying
You will see the same thing happening with Canon when they have to convert to mirrorless! Be happy awhile…
I see your urgent and desperate need to see the future as crystal clear as the past as good as Gods of the universe could possibly forecast or fore-plan. An unpredicted future is scary and horrifying. I feel you there. Maybe SAR readers should collectively send a letter to Sony on behalf of ‘Sonylovers’ demanding their plans and roadmap for the next twenty or thirty years because ‘Sonylovers’ cannot stand this uncertainty in his camera system even though ‘life’ itself is full of uncertainty.
Addendum: ‘Sonylovers’ is probably one of those common buyers who has one and only one lens. 😉
Moreover, whenever Sony releases or updates a camera or a lens, we should demand Sony to first and before all contact ‘Sonylovers’ to verify if he is able to see the logic behind the release. Please help him to understand, please, SVP. Otheriwse he will become a ‘Canonlovers’ and we are all at loss.
Strongly but OK, you convinced me. I order A77II let lose in the future 🙂
Sony wants the remaining A-mount users to switch to E-mount and buy new lenses in E-mount.
Won’t happen.
that would work if SONY was the last option, but reality shows plenty of options when it comes to reinvesting in a new mount.
And honestly lately SONY doesn’t shine for its trusty behaviour. E-mount could also be dropped like nothing since SONY seams to focus on handycam with stills mode.
But they don’t offer A-Mount counterpart lenses in E-Mount.
There’s no FE 24-70 f/2.8, for one.
I want a7s II ir A9. Not sure what i want besides the a7II but i,d like to find out
if they have an a7sII I will preorder… the a9 is also on my radar if the AF performance is as good as pro slr cameras.
Personally, I own the A6000 and A7s. Ultimately, I can’t comprehend the point of releasing anymore E-Mount FF bodies. What Sony needs to do is release a set of affordable FF lenses for E-Mount – akin to Nikon’s “F1.8 G Series” lenses (NIKKOR 50mm f1.8G – $200USD, NIKKOR 85mm f1.8G $450USD, NIKKOR 35mm f1.8G $500USD). If they had a lineup like that, then, and only then, will they attract more people towards the A7 series – let alone be taken more seriously by seasoned photographers. As an A7 owner, I can’t help but get angry to see Sony release even more E-Mount bodies, but completely ignore an affordable line of decent lenses. It’s a shame. Makes me question my A7 purchase now and then. Don’t want to go Nikon D750, but given the lens lineup, might have too unfortunately…
Seeing the cost of the lenses from the start I have come to the conclusion that they never intended to make the lens system for poor people, the camera maybe because people can use legacy lenses on it but the majority of sony’s lenses have been quite expensive as people going full frame should have expected to be paying a higher price for it, so I would much rather see more high quality lenses even if they cost more rather than hearing people winge all day about how the full frame lenses are crap
Sony itself is a premium brand. It’s a Sony.
Sony are a well-heeled innovator. They make stuff that is higher quality than other electronics’s makers, but certainly not premium in any market in which they make stuff. Not even up-scale or high-street. Nicer than certain other manufacturers, yes, but that’s where it stops.
They are _trying_ to change that image, releasing now digital audio players for 1300$ and high-end earphones, but they are creating that image, not grafting onto an already premium image.
I agree with what you say about lenses but “….let alone be taken more seriously by seasoned photographers…..” How about a decent sized body to hold on to?
When I talk to pro or semi pro photographers when the A7 comes up it’s always. “yeah thats cool but it’s way too small to shoot with” I can’t agree more. I can’t show up to a a pro shoot with that little toy, and it’s not my job to educate the client about just how serious and “pro” the a7 is when it looks like a consumer sized camera. Wait.. let me stop you right there: before you cry “oh you shouldn’t care about the appearance of your camera if you were real pro you would not care”… no bro, I do substantial sized commercial shoots and I can tell you there would be whispers and strange eyes form the art department or agency if trying to do a large commercial shoot with an A7. They might not say it to your face but it would be noticed.
Also the hand cramp from trying to hold that thing for extended periods. I have nothing really against the mount or mirror less system, but the size is just not working.
Which is why we have the A7II…and I say to that…bigger please.
Those who prefer bigger bodies can buy Nikon or Canon or, the Sony’s own A mount bodies (A99. A77 II, etc.) or, buy the battery grip to make their camera bulkier. The main and strong point of attraction in E-mount and FE-mount system is the compact size and lighter weight of the package compared to the competition while offering the same image quality and functionality and it would be a bad mistake for Sony to break this characteristic of their system. That’s why mirrorless system has a better chance surviving the intrusion of smart phones than the bulky and heavy DSLR’s.
“…Those who prefer bigger bodies can buy Nikon or Canon..” ok now thats just a defeatist type attitude.
but aside from that:
You have a good point, it would seem pointless to make a larger version if one of the main attractions is size and portability. The previous poster (JD)was talking about taking the A7 seriously from a professional standpoint.
I’ve been an Amount shooter for a while now and waiting for something decent, but there is no real upgrade path if I want the latest sensor technology (d800 36mp has been out for a good while now). A large body e-mount would be a somewhat acceptable compromise I suppose.
I actually hope the A99II is twice the size as the A99. Think about it. No one will question your skillz. Even better. Zero shake due to gravitational pull of such high magnitude. EVF viewfinder…check…right next to the DUAL OVF viewfinder. 4 card slots…JPEG, RAW, SELFIE RAW and CAT SELFIE RAW.
LOL. You win the Internet today. 🙂
For me the lighter size is a way of attracting many people into the system. But many pros need more than that. Many (not all of course) need 2.8 zooms and fast primes with good AF speed and tracking. For me to offer both (together with great accessories like flashes), slower and faster lenses, makes a complete system. As long as I don’t have these lenses, I won’t replace the DSLRs. I would instead opt for an A99ii, as a larger sized body is more comfortable for me to use for longer periods of shooting.
The only compact size on this system is aimed for your fingers , they hardly grab the non existing grip without bumping constantly into the lense barrel.
LOL, I have average size hands and I have two friends with even larger hands. We have all had Nex 5 series. I had 5n for more than two years and never experienced any inconvenience because of its small size. If you are hitting the lens barrel, maybe you have shaky hands: Parkinson or else? You may wan to consult with your physician. 😉
Seriously, maybe somebody should post an online tutorial on how to hold a small camera in your hands or better, those with shaky hands should consider attaching a enlarger housing with a hanging weight to their small camera. 😉
If you have to inform your client on why the camera your’re carrying is made for the job, than the client does not trust you. I shot a whole 3 hour event once with my rx100, no one questioned me at all, by the way I am still their exclusive photographer for the past 5 years running. I only used my rx100 the one time just to prove that it could be done. They were thrilled with the photos, this was my third year with them at that time.
well we are talking apples and oranges here, event photography, small portrait session, headshots, smaller corporate stuff etc, yeah no one will care much. carry on with rx100
How about some sort of fake body shell you can snap over it when it needs to look big and ‘serious’? I’m only half joking.
Honestly, I was thinking the same thing, at least for handling. Something that can widen it horizontally or if they made a separate large body / meaty version. I doubt that would ever happen but it would interest me.
So we shouldn’t push for innovation because we’re worried about being judged? If you could have everything a Canon offers but in the body of an A7, I would take it in a heartbeat. While Sony hasn’t reached parity yet, they are getting closer with every A7 body release. At that point, you can just buy yourself a big-ass grip and stop worrying.
No keep innovating, innovate until it’s the size an ipod thats fine, perfect for travel photography and the casual user. I’m just saying in relation to serious full time professional photography, it’s simply too small.
Also it’s not “being judged” it’s clients worrying. If you’ve ever been in a photo shoot where there are thousands of dollars being spent on models, set decoration, studio , make up /hair styling, there are art directors, people from the ad agency , people from the client side, all worried about the outcome of the shoot. Then super cool photographer shows up with toy looking camera and says” its’ ok I’m with sony.” nope sir that won’t fly.
It’s just not ready for prime time. People are used to seeing medium format cameras then since maybe 2010 DSLrs are acceptable in many cases, but not the mini a7 sorry , not yet.
Hopefully Sony will continue the A mount line or else release a larger body version for professionals.
Sony can’t offer f/1.8 lenses at similar price to Nikon and Canon. Nikon and Canon can only price their lenses so aggressively because they have the unit sales to do so. Maybe one day, when Sony have a similar user base, they will be able to reduce their prices. If you bought into the Sony system not knowing this, you only have yourself to blame.
I guess that’s why professionals don’t use Leica 😉
Expect to see Sony’s dual release policy continue. With a mix of high end fast expensive glass (35mm 1.4)…and lower cost options (28mm f2 with attachments). Nothing to worry about dude A7 cameras are selling like hot cakes 🙂
A7S mark II PLEASE!
+1
IBIS and internal 422 10bit 4k – dreaming I know… probably a year away at least
I’m hoping for a TRUE hybrid E / A-Mount (I don’t care if it’s large) camera to go along with my native A7II so I can rock A – Mount lenses (2.8 zooms and other zeiss glass with autofocus) with FULL benefits of the system. None of this LAEA4 with limited centered autofocus. Top that with 5 axis and touch screen and I can now focus on building my E-Mount lens collection and filling gaps with A-Mount until E-Mount catches up. LAEA4 I have now is just not up to par with the native autofocus system so I don’t feel encouraged to put on my A-Mount glass. I was thinking of getting a cheap 2nd body A mount but cheap even A850 is still the price of an A7 at this point for such old tech.
If there is a problem, Sony will solve it…check out my hook while A mount revolves it. (A mount baby….dedede..de..dededede).
ROFL Nice 1.
Turn of the lights, and I’ll glow!
Sony problem # 1 – deliver 14 bit color in a mirrorless camera.
UNSOLVED MYSTERY
That’s cetainly not #1 problem. Not many people even know what “14 bit color” is.
Now you’re comparing to medium format? Of course no one is going to choose Sony FF over the likes of Phase One if they have the means. No 35mm camera compares to medium format, not even Nikon or Canon.
some kids are wiser than grown-ups; future will show 🙂
Sony A7r II with EFCS and lossles RAW would be ideal.
A mount?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re72di5phM0
Those are grasshoppers chirping not crickets
Is there a difference?
Yes, they belong to different suborders of the order Orthoptera.
A7R mk2 would be the ultimate adventure / landscape camera if it had Olympus / Pentax class weather sealing. Not that the Rokinon 14mm and 24mm that I’d attach to it would help at all, lol, but still.
Not sure what an A7S mk2 could use, other than IBS and better AF. Maybe in-board 4K recording, even if it meant a larger camera.
Personally though, I’m more interested in an A6000 mk2, or an A7000 or whatever people want to call it. With a lens like the Rokinon 12mm f/2, how can you go wrong for compact travel / landscapes? Gimme weather sealing and slightly better high ISO performance than the A6000, and I’m sold…
It will certainly not be called “mk2”, neither A7R, nor A7s not A6000 ;)…
Are you saying this just to be contrarian, or as a hit of possible inside information? Kinda cryptic lol…
I don’t think we’ll see three A7 models this time around. It would make sense for Sony to move the two specialist cameras to a new, higher model. A9 would be appropriate, an R type first, followed by an S later. The A7II already covers the enthusiast all-rounder. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see an A7R and S II, but I think a more rugged, pro model with 2 card slots would be ideal.
Of course, this is just a guess…
I agree. Even basic stuff such as 50mp RAWs needing a faster processor and USB 3.0/3.1 to tether at any reasonable speed and possibly moving to XQD cards to help read/write speed, will mean we will get a whole new model. Hopefully they will keep on down the improved build quality track with additional weather sealing!!
What lens is that?
nevermind just saw its a rokinon. Nice setup btw
The Rokinon 12mm f/2, built for mirrorless ONLY, but available in both 1.5x and 2x crop sensor mounts I believe. It’s not flawless enough for astrophotography wide open to consider it a Rokinon 24mm f/1.4 killer, but it’s still sharp enough to get the job done, and when stopped down, yowza! Very, very sharp. Almost as sharp as the new Rokinon 10mm f/2.8, but that lens, being available for both mirrorless and traditional DSLR mounts, is much much bigger and heavier…
36MP A7RII with full time IBIS, at least EFCS (a fully electronic one would be great too – why not both), much quieter mechanical shutter, and upgraded A7II-like externals would be perfect for me.
Hopefully they won’t get fancy and put in a 50MP sensor – save that one for the A8 or A9.
Fully electronic shutter with 36 MP … lol … wishful thinking, but certainly not doable at this day, at least not for this body size (heat problems).
If they come up with an a9 with electronic shutter, a 24mp sensor without AA could work, AA could be optional, left to the IBIS system, like on Pentax models.
You can’t improve both ISO performance as well as Resolution at the same time without massive technological leaps.
Higher ISO requires larger sensor pixels.
Higher resolution requires smaller sensor pixels.
So it’s one or the other, if you improve one, it’s usually at the cost of the other, unless there is a new technological breakthrough.
“You can’t improve both ISO performance as well as Resolution at the same time without massive technological leaps” They did exactly that between the 5N and the A6000. I know because I have both. It has %50 more pixels but still better DR and ISO performance, its great. I know physics will halt this astonishing trend at some point but I would love for them to pull it off again. I have read some papers (the summaries anyway) on sensor design and where it is headed. They have gotten so good at getting the signal from small photo sites that it really is no comparison to the past sensors where this was almost an iron clad rule of a trade off one or the other. That said they are almost to the point of no possible way to get a better signal as they are just about to count every single photon. Amazing stuff.
Yep fully electronic shutter is too much to hope for for a 50 or even 36 MP. But EFCS is essential. And if EFCS is too hard with 50MP, leave it at 36.
Here’s my wish list in order of preference (i.e. if one of the lower ones can’t de done except at the expense of a higher one, forget it). I’m taking the A7II ergo improvements for granted.
(1) EFCS
(2) IBIS
(3) focus point joystick
(4) weather sealing
(5) Enhanced batter life (but not at the expense of size: I’d rather carry spare batteries)
(6) A 6000 level AF
(6) 50MP (fun and good for cropping, but a pain for processing so it’s on balance a small advantage to me)
If you want fast focus get a7 series, if you want red get a7r series. You can’t have both. That’s why they split the lines. Idiot.
What’s so hard for Sony to release a D4S/1DX competitor? What about a D750 competitor? The a7S and a7II are not good enough for some task (in terms of AF-speed and lens lineup available). Sony doesn’t even have an adapter with a dedicated FF AF-module for their FE cameras (still using an old a55 AF-module with just 3 crosstype af points and 15 points overall) and all current adapters aren’t compatible with TC usage (no aperture control, and the few lenses I have tried with it doesn’t work, all of them are new SSM lenses). The AF assist lamp don’t work with A-mount lenses either.
Just three FF A-mount cameras released at once. ILCA-85 (as the next a99-specd camera with similar specs) ILCA-99M2 (with 36Mpx) and a high-tier camera to compete against the D4S/1DX with the 12Mpx sensor module and the A-mount is dead comments will be gone for a while. Maybe this will force Sigma to make their amazing 120-300mm F2.8 and 300-800mm F5.6 available for A-mount.
I got sad when I saw this thread only has about 330 comments. What happened to the days of 700? What does it take to create a frenzy of psychotic freakishness of this forum? A99II? A9 with 50MP’s? 135mm F2 for FE mount? Hmmm…:
1) A7 stitch for 100MP files like the EM5II?
2) Announcement of OVF A mount (now acquired by Pentax)?
3) RX2 with 24MP’s but low light CURVED SENSOR performance of A7S?
4) 11mm prime?
AHaAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!!!!!!
just wait for the real announcement and then expect more
this is only a rumor
I would love to see 3, doesn’t have to perform quite like an A7S though… but that’s just me.
I think most of us are happy with the purchases we’ve already made. I doubt any new camera launched year is going present a compelling enough reason to upgrade. I’m probably going to skip this cycle altogether.
I see Sony put all their resources to the full frame. Too sad they forgot the APSC.
?????…A77II….A6000…..??????
hope so one of is a mount
I just want a A7S II with IBIS lossless RAW for stills, slog3 and better 10 bit codec for video
They only bring :
A9
A5
Untill Sony releases standard lenses such as 24-70 f/2.8 and 70-200 f/2.8 for FE, this system isn’t going anywhere.
And with no development on the A Mount front, Sony has come to a grinding halt.
24-70 f/1.4 + A5 = 700 euro
A tiny body with a huge lens? Yeah right.
Those 2.8 zooms will be huge too on A7
Sure. FE only gives you the size benefit with a number of short FL primes. A decent A9 would have to be not much smaller than A99.
So how is Sony selling so many….??
They have created a new market niche, which is close to fulfillment now.
Or maybe your imagination is closed due to lack of fulfillment. 😉
Humor me. You can start by explaining how f/4 lenses replace f/2.8 ones.
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Will they release a7000 with a new kit zoom? And if so, will they start offering that new kit lens on a6000 at that time as well or will they keep selling a6000 with older kit.