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Well, the design changes seem to be a bit more considerable than we first thought they would be. A source told me that while the new A6000 still has almost the same controls of the NEX-6 it looks a bit more like the A7 from the front (obviously without EVF on top). The A-6000 has the EVF in the corner just like the NEX-6.
And another source also shared the definitive price in Euro:
650 Euro for the body only
800 Euro with the normal kit zoom.
And like I told you yesterday the sensor is an update 24 Megapixels sensor with Phase Af pixels.
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A600 ? Really ?
Thank god you never make a mistake!
It is obviously A6000…
Where is the rumored A7000?
I’m confused. Does this mean there will be an extra control dial in the front?
this still seams a bit confused.
mirrorlessrumors is talking about no improvements in image quality but “main” on speed on one day (http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/new-nex-7-and-new-g1x-successor-to-be-announed-next-week) and only minor upgrade to speed and IQ on the next day.
Then here was 800€ for body only first now it is for the kit… I don‘t know.
Should become more clear the closer we get to the event right? Sadly though it seams to be an less and less interesting update. But let‘s see.
sonyalpha……RUMORS……com 😛
and yes, once they are announced, things will be quite clear.
thanks.
Why is no EVF obvious? Nex-6 has built-in EVF.
that it looks like the A7 without the EVF, does not necessarily imply it has no EVF…
“without EVF on top” because the EVF is in the left corner.
The admin doesn’t mean that there is no EVF at all.
If the A6000 has no EVF it can’t be a NEX6/7 replacement! I really hope Sony doesn’t downgrade it like that. I’d never buy it.
It has EVF. But not on top of it! On the corner as usual.
Thanks, Andrea. That’s a relief!
not a fan of the shutter placement on the A7 had to bend the finger back more, the NEX6/7 much more natural
Agreed. The button placement and grip are a big reason why I don’t like mirrorless cameras (e.g., EM-5, most Fujis).
I said the same about the placement but after using the camera for a while (a week) I haven’t noticed a difference so not a big deal anymore….it’s more like a film camera feel, got used to it very quickly
derek
Well, one can also get used to Canon’s controls, but some interfaces are simply better for the hand.
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After having extensively used Nikon DSLRs, Canon DSLRs, Olympus PENs and now the Sony A7… I would rate the controls as follows:
Sony > Olympus > Nikon > Canon.
I love love love the Sony A7 controls. I hate hate hate the controls on my Canon 6D.
Not for me. I have an A7R and a Canon 5DmkII. I vastly prefer the controls on my Canon to my Sony. That said, the Sony controls are generally “good enough” and at least they are very customizable.
Does this mean tri-navi is coming to the 6? Hope so! Any word on a touchscreen to truly be a 5 replacement as well?
I think I will just wait for the Nex one the A600000
650 Euro? It’s getting cheaper and cheaper.
As I said before, I wouldn’t mind if reality didn’t teach me that price correlates with quality. In this case meaning: No Magnesium alloy body, definitely NO water-sealing coming to NEX6/7, probably less switches than NEX7, maybe less ports than NEX7 etc.
this is probably the sad part of the price…
If they’re reusing the lower parts of the A7 body, it may be weather sealed, but, then, what are you going to use for a weather sealed lens on it?
you could use FE lenses… ^^
i’m trying to talk my wife in to the Zeiss 55 1.8 lens for her Nex C3, that’s a good match, right?
no reason to go for the 55 with a crop body. I would save a lot of money and get the 50mm 1.8 if it’s a portrait kind of thing that you’re after. the 50 is very good, one of the best lenses for the e-mount.
That lens would be a good match for any e-mount camera but I agree with the other comment about the 50mm 1.8 that also comes in black now and has OSS unlike the 55mm 1.8. If she plans to get a full frame e-mount in the future it may be a good investment but it will only get cheaper the longer you wait. I think eventually you should be able to get the 55mm for about 800.00
Well, the VAIO Pro series is sturdier than the last-gen Z series, but a hell of a lot cheaper.
But it traded in some carbon fibre for more aluminum, and it’s made in China instead of Japan, and it has a low-voltage CPU instead of the standard voltage version…
A lot of trade-offs, but its effect to user experience may not be as obvious as it seems.
The Nex-6 already looks quite a bit like the A7 without the hump AFAIK.
Will the dial look niceR like on the A7 and NEX-7 ?
These rumors do not make the impression that the A6000 will be a true successor for the Nex-7.
If this is so, it would be a bit of a disappointment.
If they’re rolling all the features of the 5 (touchscreen), 6 (PASM dial) and 7 (tri-navi) into one, at the price between the old 5 and 6, this looks like a very good deal for customers. It also suggests the ‘revolutionary’ stuff is being reserved for another camera.
A big if indeed and for the price, I doubt it.
We’ll just have to wait for the announcement before we can judge for sure.
SAR is the one that claimed a “A7-like” body (assuming since they don’t mean the EVF, it means the tri-navi controls) and 24MP. Only thing left to include is touchscreen and you have 5, 6, 7 – wham, bam, thank you ma’am.
I’m more concerned about the price tag…Does it mean it is prone to failure more easily? Or is Sony finally on black numbers making so much profit that they can afford to lower the a6000 price?
Good news if you ask me.
This price tag leaves space for a high-end model and is much more acceptable for a refresh.
I also like the A7 design.
Now Sony give us a7000 high-end with IBIS at less than double the price and I think this is a great lineup
Since the A7(r) didnt have ibis, none of the lower cameras in the range will. Furthermore I won’t expect any more than a new 24mp sensor, anything higher would infringe on the A7r/A9 territory.
Gets less promising the more we know.
Heh Sony must think they have the best fans when people are grumbling that a camera is too cheap!
The A6000 may turn out quite nice, but no new E-mount lenses is a pity.
I was hoping for a F2.8 16-55 G lens.
Yes, I also hope that there’s going to be a very good low light zoom F2.8 only then the mirrorless will be taken seriously IMO
f/2.8 zooms belong on A-Mount, since they cannot be compact
Dear A7….ditch the hump.
No way! There’s a ton of really practical tech in that hump – including the optical components of that amazing EVF.
Why would we sacrifice actual photography-related functionality to stroke your emotional desire for pretty things?
I guess a more practical way would be to redesign the hump and the rest of the body to make them fit better. Sony’s got experience for the a99 and it’s the best looking DSLR/SLT on the market. Maybe they could get something to work on a smaller body. And It’s not the first time Sony’s introduced radical design changes into a system.
It could also work if they really integrated IBIS into a FF E-mount body, then the EVF could move to the side and IBIS could take up the rest of the space, maybe add a flash too? The result could be something that looks like a Mamiya 7.
If it has 24mp (best of N7) and faster PD AF (best of N6)
with one or two dials, evf and flippy uppy downy screen for £699 / $800 it will be a winner.
Hopefully they will had addressed the corner sensors so that 24mp doesnt purple cast.
I would buy it as a backup to my A7r, and it would make a good portrait camera to go with my FE55/.18
The price tag indicates me that the A6000 is only going to replace the NEX6.
I am neither saying that the price is too low nor that anything is bad with this model.
The “normal kit zoom” will remain the 18-55.
Considering the price difference between body only and kit, there can be no new kit zoom at this point.
The price to me says it is functionally missing something.
I bet there is no evf…
C’mon, even the cheapest a3000 has an EVF, they could use the same EVF and add a proximity sensor LOL.
Oh…there is no point in waiting for A6000 anymore. Let’s wait and see another one at Photokina
Somewhere here the a79 will be introduced.
and the sensor and sw from that should be reused
and repackages into an ILCE as well.
So while this NEX 6 replacement is announced, there is still room for a true NEX-7 replacement being announced in paralell to the a-79.
Nex-7 replacement is the A7!!!
Sony reps repeatedly have said it is not
They may be correct from a model number point of view, the a6000 will likely replace the nex 6 and 7. From the market niche standpoint, the enthusiast, I believe that the a7 did, in fact, fill the slot from Sony’s point of view.
Some people turn to the A7 because of the lack of NEX-7 though, meaning that their needs are not fulfilled by the APS-C offering. A smaller sensor is cheaper to produce, so it would be possible to get an high-end APS-C to fill the gap between 800 and 1700$
Yes, but Sony may just as well fill that gap by introducing a less expensive FF camera (less MP, no EVF, no weathersealing, no multi-interface shoe, no 4k video, smaller package, cheap fixed focal 50mm lens). In any case, Nex-7 was top of the bill. Now however APS-c is not that anymore.
Looks like any ugly NEX I’ve ever seen. Small plain unimaginative box with hard square edges and shallow uncomfortable grip. I’m sure EVF awkwardly placed in corner like all NEXs. If you’re going to make handling suck go all out I say! 🙂
whats the point in posting pictures of the Nex6/A7 anyway?
To avoid having too many posts with no pictures? There’s not enough rumored designs to go around for one each post you know.
“Small plain unimaginative box with hard square edges and shallow uncomfortable grip”? I thought you meant the new Fuji or the Pentax K-01! I’d say Olympus’s EP series fits in quite well too!
And you must have an awkwardly big nose.
They’ve moved from a strategy of lowering the price a year after release, to a month, to a week after release, to a week before release. I like it.
Great price! I think it’s a pretty exciting upgrade, actually. Keep it up, Sony! (And put some more energy into the lenses!)
18-55 kit is better than 16-50
… and a BLACK one!
the best is to wait, see what it will be, wait test results, and then we find out if it is just the old stuff newly polished. 24 mpix is huge resolution in APS-C and NEX-7 pictures are among the best I know, but, if the new gear is again KO at 800 ISO, we stick to the old stuff. On the end, we get tired of waiting all the time. I do not go for a new body to get 800 ISO clean instead of 400. The 20 mpix sensor works fine till 3200 ISO, i use it on the A58 and make huge colors and detail.
The location of the shutter button is better than A7, in a natural place
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An not so sensitive especially for manual focusing
I hope it’s a boring upgrade because I just ran into a ~750EUR deal on NEX 6 + 16-70. Couldn’t resist… 😛
I assume the people who read SAR are early adopters and keen upgraders. I’m not sure why they’d want premium materials on a camera when the electronics are what govern depreciation. Especially as an early adopter is likely to dump a body when the next hawt camera comes along, why invest so much in materials that only make a difference at the 5-10+ year lifespan of the camera? I had a plastic compact last me 4 years and was still in good condition when I gave it away. I intend to change my MILC bodies much more frequently than that, so why would I want a premium on materials since they’re going to depreciate according to the electronics curve, not the materials curve? Or is it because you need shiny things to show off to all your friends about how great your camera is even though you will be flogging it off next year?
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Finally some common sense. I’ve never heard that the lower NEXes were more prone to fail than the higher end ones and obviously there is no reason why this should be the case.
I agree somewhat, but then I doubt that the materials make such a huge difference in terms of costs.
Try telling hasselblad that.
Haha!
I’m not surprised if this is true as Kaz Hirai, Sony CEO wanted Sony products to look more unified between different price points. Just look at Sony 2013/14 TV collection, it has a unified look between each model and the biggest difference in appearance goes to the finishing quality.
I dig the RX1 look and I’m happy that A7/r continues that (and I really hope that the successor will retain that look), I don’t have much problem with the shutter button cause old film cameras and even Leica Ms has the same shutter button placement.
Because of the built-in flash, there is no space to add/move buttons/dials on NEX-6.
unless, of course, that they get rid of the flash, which MIGHT have caused the price drop.
I hope for an A6 later this year:
NEX6/A6000 body, A7 menu & controls, FF-sensor.
Why would anyone need PASM dial on a camera?! It’s the option one uses the least. It could’ve been shutter speed and below it could’ve been aperture. The back one could’ve been used as ISO dial and that would be it, trinavi in nex6 body.
Totally agree. Really, how often are people changing PASM compared to SS, ISO, Aperture etc…?
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Agreed !!! That’s why the initial idea of the NEX cameras NOT to have one, was great…
If you are the only one using the camera, maybe not needed as much. It’s much easier to to hand the camera off for someone else to take a quick snap this way or another family member to use that does not want to worry about settings. This will still be a consumer level camera so Sony would be alienating more potential buyers by not having a PASM dial. High end Cameras like Nikon D600 Canon 5d iii have them so I don’t think it’s out of place here.
Personally, I like the A7 style PASM dial with the custom settings. I had a custom memory function on my Minolta 800si which was really handy to set up for common shooting situations.
The Nikon D600 and 5D3 are twice the size. There’s plenty of space on these bodies. Also, handing someone the camera strikes as a very far fetched reason for including a Mode dial on a camera, not to mention that one can easily change the mode on a NEX-7 and then hand it to someone.
My wife uses the camera often enough when I’m not around. My 5N has no mode dial, she hardly ever touches it because she could not figure out what to do when I left it in Manual. My old Alpha camera was no problem for her because it had the mode dial. Again, this is a consumer level camera with some advance features. This is not going to be a pro camera.
I prefer to have a mode dial and how they implemented it on the NEX6 was great. If they could add custom settings on the dial too, that would be great.
Sounds like mode changing is the only operation she needs to learn.
Then you should feel responsible for not teaching her about a single operation on the camera and expecting her to figure it out on her own.
I think most people would be willing to take 2 minutes to teach whoever they need to teach about just one operation on the camera rather than have a useless extra dial on it.
S.Yu, I’ve shown her before but it’s not that intuitive if she has not used it in over a month. More target users will find a mode dial useful than would not (myself included). Again, if they add C1 and C2 setting, this is VERY useful
I’m in favor of a PASM dial. The point about switching between users is a reasonable one, but even for myself I switch between P and A quite often. How do you use a fast lens in low light? In the A mode. But if there is a bit more light, it’s already more useful to switch to P and trade the aperture for speed instead of ISO (otherwise you’re always stuck at 1/60 sec.)
No PASM dial: Cue another round of reviews lamenting menu diving in the A6000 :/
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I totally agree, PASM dial on a semi-pro camera is totally unnecessary.
Sony’s problem is that they don’t believe in themselves. The nailed it with the NEX-7, but because (I quess) the sales weren’t good they thought they would need to appeal more to the point & shoot upgraders and so they went and added the PASM dial to NEX-6. They could have just kept adding new features, trying to bring the price down by time, improving the lens selection and sticking to their original vision, but no. The A6000 might end up being a great camera, but in technology you improve over the previous generations, not the other way around. The NEX-7 was released, what three ago. The A6000 today should have everything that the NEX-7 had, just better, faster and cheaper.
P.S. And if there is a A7000 or similar camera coming later this year they should release it first. Lots of people are going to be dissapointed if they buy the A6000 now just to realize that the better A7000 will be released in few months.
To me it just looks like the NEX-6 with new inbuilt features. Physically it just mimics the NEX-6. The A7 looks completely different with its dials. I do not see any resemblance to the A7 at all. I own an NEX-6 already and I would put my money for a FF mirrorless but it should not look like the A7 with the EVF looking like a pyramid. Ideal would be something like a Leica M. Why don’t Sony or Fuji come up with something like that? I would definitely buy it. I love the OM-D EM 5, but just for the fact that it had this pyramid head, I did not buy it. It somehow does not add up to the size of these mirrorless cameras. They are a good fit for those bulky DSLR’s. I guess Sony and Fuji need some design lessons from Leica.
I love the Fuji X-Pro-1 design. I’m just waiting for Fuji to come up with a FF X-Pro-whatever. I just want a FF camera that looks like a Leica M or the Fuji X-Pro-1. Until then, I will keep saving my hard earned cash.
I saw somewhere that the x pro 2 is coming with the new Panasonic/Fuji organic sensor and it won’t come until it’s ready.
The “big deal” about it is the autofocus, wait and see and it will come clear to you. And once and for all… It has got an evf.
Another predictable camera update. I’m interested simply because I like the overall form factor and performance of the NEX line and I’m invested in the ecosystem, but sheesh, it sure feels like Sony doesn’t really care to improve the cameras. They’re just grabbing the latest parts from the bin and throwing them together. They don’t seem to care to improve AF beyond throwing in some PDAF pixels that only work in limited scenarios and you know the UI is going to be missing some very basic options that people have been wanting for years now, but Sony just won’t do.
Throwing in some latest parts would have been completely ok with me – if they had trown them into the NEX 7.
But this just seems to be a NEX 6 update, leaving out the good things from the NEX 5 and the NEX 7.
Cant wait for a8000 nex size ff, 4mp corner evf with only 990 tag
And hopefully they manage to deal with ibis
Without IBIS that would probably be an a6, with it…a8 or a9.
The price is too cheap!
Actually, 24mp and fast AF would be a dream with the new 70-200/4 fe lens
We will see just BIG disappointment…Nothing much more…
Funny how people dismiss a camera they have not seen, specifications unknown, performance improvements uncertain because the price is too cheap.
My understanding is that this is a replacement of the NEX-6 and not the 7.
From the rumors I have seen from this sites, was that Sony wants to focus on speed, AF and AF tracking.
If we have an upgrade of the NEX-6, similar body, faster autofocus and cheaper, how can this be bad?
If this is the case I believe it a brilliant move from Sony.
Why, because all of other manufacturers have increased their prices significantly.
If they came out with a camera which is fairly priced and significantly better than its previous model, it will sell.
Nothing bad with an updated NEX 6. But all the geeks around here are waiting for a new NEX 7. And fearing that it might never come. At least it will take nearly a year longer than expected. That’s all.
I think the challenge of replacing the NEX-7 is to make something that is significantly better than this NEX-6 replacement but not so much better as to become compared, price-wise, to the A7, which is not that much more expensive than what the NEX-7 listed for upon its release.
If you look at Nikon and Canon, their high-end APS-C models (the D300s and 7D) have been languishing for years, and are now bracketed by entry-level fullframe (D600 and 6D) and very capable enthusiast APS-C bodies (D7100 and 70D).
So is high-end APS-C still a Goldilocks camera worth investing in, or is it just a bad price/performance/functionality compromise now?
For the record, I do hope Sony does figure out a way to make it work but I personally considered the A7 to be the NEX-7 replacement and purchased/sold gear accordingly. It was painful to part with my Zeiss 24/1,8 though, so I certainly sympathize with anyone in that position.
+1 here. I am in the same positions and am probably going to make the same choice – moving to the a7.
It makes sense that this is exactly what Sony would like everybody to do – move on to the a7. But it’s not a reasonable upgrade path for everybody… those who have invested in APS-C lenses, expecting some longevity from the system. Also, cost issues aside, the a7 is not a very compact solution, which was the promise of mirrorless systems in the first place.
The higher grade APS-C lenses aren’t compact anyway… But I get your point. My Nex-5n with Sigma 2,8/30 has a perfect size for street photography, the A7 isn’t an equivalent replacement
The A7 as NEX 7 replacement doesn’t work in my eyes. The idea of the NEX 7, a high-end mirrorless with the minimal footprint and understated looks of a point-and-shot, is missed completely. The A7 is too big to be pocketable, especially with one of those zooms (and they are only short-range…).
If bigger than NEX 7, I’d choose a Canon 70D anyday. That has brilliantly working OS-PDAF, capacitive touch screen, all-directions swivel screen, WiFi and a full range of lenses. And it would stay home most of the times I’d take a NEX 7 with me.
I see your point but I think it’s largely a matter of personal preference. I mainly used my NEX-7 with the Zeiss 24/1.8 so it was never really a pocketable camera for me.
But I can see someone who shoots mainly with something like the 20/2.8 or 16-50/3.5-5.6 PZ being disappointed with the A7.
Still, if size was a consideration, the A6000 fits the bill. And again, that’s the rub for me. I liked my NEX-7 but once the NEX-6 hit the scene, the only advice I ever gave out was “buy a NEX-6 and use the money you save on better lenses”.
So that’s why I’m skeptical about the A7000. I find it hard to argue the value proposition of investing in better lenses on one side or the long term value of a full frame body on the other.
Now if the A7000 had a killer feature…. like IBIS…
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It’s just less than a week away. Let’s wait for the real announcement from Sony. The purpose of these rumors with tidbits of info are to create a buzz and get you warmed up for the event.
Wow I’m surprised this site doesn’t take more care in writing these posts. Admin seems to prefer more accurate rumours (i.e. SR5)over less accurate rumours but then writes the post so that it is highly misleading and spreads misinformation.
“…without EVF” in title – Speaks for itself
An image of a NEX6 and A7 *without* a caption – This isn’t the first image without a caption either leading people to believe they are pictures/concepts of the new rumoured product.
If you read through the comments on your blog you’ll know how much confusion your writing style causes.
admin correct me if I’m wrong – English is your THIRD language, right? I only speak two languages, which still is twice the amount of one.
third yes.
goon – how many langages do you speak?
Andrea, I’m wanting the best video in a stills camera form factor, and I’m torn between the RX10 and waiting to see if this NEX-7 replacement [or any upcoming APS-C model] will likewise offer full sensor sampling without line skipping…For me everything hinges on just that one concern. Has there been any word at all?
Any and all consideration is greatly appreciated!
so happy to keep by NEX7 still the best.
that’s true, no major update yet, phase detection and probably WI-FI, no real reason to change a good camera like NEX-7.
That price tag leaves a large gap between the A6000 and the A7. They MUST have more in the pipeline…