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According to our sources that is the list of new products Sony will announce on August 24:
A77 -> 24 megapixels
Vertical Grip VG-C77AM
16-50mm f/2.8 SSM
A65 -> Has the same 24 Megapixel sensor but less fps
NEX-7 -> I have beent told that this camera is a very serious [shoplink 6075 ebay]Fuji X100 (Click here to se it)[/shoplink] competitor!
NEX-5N -> An updated [shoplink 3003]Sony NEX-5[/shoplink] with new sensor
LA-EA2 with built-in Translucent mirror -> A revivial of the [shoplink 7642 ebay]Leica Visoflex (Click here to se it)[/shoplink] 😉
XGA external OLED viewfinder (works on NEX-5N only)
Zeiss 24mm f/1.8
Sony 55-210mm f/4-6.3 OSS
Sony 50mm f/1.8 OSS
VG-20 -> successor of the [shoplink 3058]Sony NEX-VG10[/shoplink].
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Nice 🙂 Cant wait for a77 *-*
Any price known for battery grip ?
The VG will be hideously expensive. It was for the A700. 🙁
Yes, but, for all I know, the Sony VGs is a lot better than canon/nikon’s in terms of quality and ergonomics(the sole reason for VG)
and ebay China copies will be MUCH cheaper. 😉
YES the quality might suffer. But Chinese are capable to copy in such detail that ergonomics might not suffer a lot.
That nex-7 looks fantastic, I hope the final thing is close to that
The NEX-7 body looks great, but sheesh, that Zeiss 24mm lens is huge! Man that stinks, the NEX-7 body looks so perfect, but I have no idea what lenses I’d use on it. Why can’t Sony make a 30mm f/2 pancake like Samsung did?
I had the exact same question today… NEX-7 seems to be perfect, but there isn’t a single E lens that I would like to put on it. Oh and that 55-210 simple kit telephoto looks downright ridiculous. 🙁 There isn’t much sense in making a small body if all the lenses are huge, might as well get an A77 instead. 🙁
You know, there are an awful lot of people who would strongly disagree with you. Size is not all that mirrorless is about.
Oh I totally agree. In fact I don’t care if of all the E-Mount lenses are large so long as we have a few pancakes to use for times when size does matter. The problem with the NEX system is aside from the 16mm where are those pancakes? The 16mm is fine, but the16mm isn’t really an every day lens for most people. Sony really needs a 28mm pancake ASAP. After that they can make all the large lenses they want for all I care.
I agree, I will buy one of NEX cameras in day, when at least on pancake longer than 30mm will be available. Actually if new sensor is 24 Mpix, I would be happy with AF lens which covers sensor area similar to Micro Four Thirds.
>> “Size is not all that mirrorless is about”
Can you please list the reasons for using a mirrorless camera over a DSLR other than size? The vast majority of mirrorless camera users choose them with an aim to get DSLR-level quality in a smaller package. (The other group being those who want to take advantage of the short register distance to adapt all kinds of manual lenses. But that group doesn’t use native lenses anyway so they are not relevant to this discussion about size of native lenses).
Plus the main point is that why should Sony spend so much effort in making the NEX bodies so ultra-small if it doesn’t intend to complement them with similarly small lenses. It is this difference in strategy for body versus the lenses which is puzzling more than anything else. With the current lens sizes, it makes more sense to have a heftier NEX body which can have more controls, better grip, better balance for longer lenses and so on. This insistence on going out of the way to make the body as small as possible and then not backing it up with small lenses is the part which doesn’t make sense.
My sentiments, exactly. EXACTLY.
I need a small, e35-50mm lens. Period.
NEX-7 looks extremly cool and appealing
The NEX-7 does indeed look cool.
I think lots of people will be buying Xmas gifts for themselves this year. Loved ones may lose out. 😉
You read my mind 🙂
The nex 7 is ugly !! can’t do a modern design ????
Modern? Do you mean, SLR-mimic?
this is an extremely modern design, and I believe an excellent one
Reminds me of the Danish designed B&O audio equipment of the 70’s
Very minimalist.
🙂
Okay, let me be first in line to eat some crow here. I did not believe the NEX-7 would look very much like the leaked renders first shown here a while back. As it turns out it looks pretty much exactly like that?
That aside; the 55-210 looks seriously looong and this Zeiss 24mm looks bigger than the kit zoom. 😮
it was already “confirmed” the last time the leaked drawings of it came out that it is the final look..
Yeah that Zeiss 24mm looks pretty big, unless the nex7 is fairly small. does the hot shoe look a little offset compared to the centre line of the lens?
actually, I wonder how 55-210 compares in size and quality to Olympus 40-150 for PEN. If both are comparable, I will have lost every reason to use PEN as a primary travel camera, and it will stay reserved for ultra-wide and extreme telephoto only
The NEX-7 looks too Darth Vader-inspired for me. Unless the NEX-7’s screen flips out to the side, I suspect the NEX-C3 will be the one for me.
No grip for the A65 then? Does the A77 grip fit it perhaps?
That would be my guess.
🙂
NEX-7 looks cool, but wasn’t the 24mm Zeiss supposed to be f2 and a pancake at that (or at least smallish)?
Do I remember that wrong?
I was so looking forward to a high-quality small-ish 24mm… 🙁
Yeah, i can’t seem to understand the rationale behind “great sensor, small body, big/out of proportion lenses” for sony nex…i had hopes the new lens would tackle size and quality at the same time, but apparently not…
+1
What is Sony thinking? I’m sure the Zeiss 24mm will have great IQ, but good lord; look at the size of it!
If size is the main issue I’m sure Sony could knock off some small greasy jam jars that would fit.
😉
It’s called physics. If you want a large sensor with a fast lens it is going to be big.
So you’re saying Samsung defied physics when they created their tiny 30mm f/2?
Even if the reason they were able to make their 30mm so small was due to the longer registration distance they use, Sony should still be able to make something in the ballpark of the size.
If Sony made a so-so 30/2, I’m sure it would be small. A 24/1.8 Sonnar design is a completely different kettle of fish. If Sony had released the Samsung lens (which is pretty bad wide open) today everyone including you would be like “oh man, why couldn’t they make a good lens, unsubscribizinulating from SAR now”.
@Froo
Actually no, I wouldn’t. IMO Panasonic did this right. Come out with an every day carry anywhere prime first (the 20mm f/1.7), then follow it up with a larger higher quality prime for those that care more about IQ then size (the 25mm f/1.4).
And I don’t know where you’re getting your info from, but photozone.de reviewed the Samsung 30mm and stated it was very good wide open, and reached excellent levels at f/5.6. It is certainly good enough for the vast majority of users.
has Zeiss ever made a pancake lens?
yes a Contax/yashica mount, the T* 45mm f/2.8…
Some of their ZM mount lenses are tiny (and excellent).
I never really considered NEX, but this new one looks awesome!!
Admin. Is there any news on the 16-80 Zeiss? I really want to buy that lens, but the lack of SSM really puts me off. I like the 16-50 Kit that will be announced, but the long end seems to be a bit short for me.
It would be just awesome if Sony updates the Zeiss to include SSM. Is there any plan from Sony to do this?
I will work on that. I have some Zeiss lens rumors but I need some more details.
Awesome! Thanks! Really hoping they update the 16-80 with SSM and give that lens the respect it deserves.
The Zeiss Lens is bigger then I expect:(
From this picture it looks like Sony nailed the design of nex-7. It looks astonishing! The nicest camera I have ever seen.
New lenses for nex are long, that’s not nice.
Still hope that the EVF is compatible with NEX-5 🙁
I want the NEX-7+ 24mm zeiss combo!!!!!!!!!!!
Phenomenal SAR! Thank Admin for your restless great work!!!
Tt is SSM! 😀 Nex7 look great! argggg……
Until there is a 24mm pancake, I will not be buying a NEX.
Any possibility of you keeping quiet until then, too?
@Froo:
LOL! 🙂
So NEX-5N is NEX-5 with the Zeiss 24mm, right?
It’s got a slightly different body shape and a 16 megapixel sensor same as the c3 from the looks of it!
OMG, i want all of them
Me too. Unfortunately my pockets are not bottomless.
Apparently the Nex7 is bigger than her sisters, as the mount of the Zeiss lens is not bigger than the body (as it happens with all other lenses/bodies). Which is a good thing, btw
Still hoping it fits in my pocket.
So A65 and A77 will share the vertical grip? I am kind of hoping A65 will accept A550 grip.
I thought they decided to go with the pancake 24/2, since when did they switch back to f/1.8?
My hopes are that they released a big 24/1.8 together with NEX-7, for those who want more ‘pro’ quality, and that then they will release some nice pancakes for all the users who look for compactness 🙂
It is possible to get very high quality in a compact lens. The Pentax 43mm f/1.9 Limited is a fantastic lens and really quite small. If Pentax can make a high quality full frame DSLR lens about half the size of an APS-C NEX prime don’t you think Sony is doing something wrong. Heck, the Samsung 30mm f/2 isn’t that bad of a lens either. Sony needs to get their act together. I was fully prepared to switch back to the NEX system from m4/3’s if the Zeiss 24mm was a bit more compact, but now I don’t know.
The NEX system doesn’t have a single lens I truly want. The 16mm is ok, but it’s not as good as either the ultra compact Panasonic 14mm or the incredible Olympus 12mm f/2 (I think it might be the best lens I’ve ever owned).
I didn’t expect the Zeiss 24mm to be as small as the 16mm, but damn, couldn’t they have least made something the size of the Olympus 12mm f/2?
The nex-7 looks great with a nice size grip. It’s nice to see som zeiss glass for the nex line.
I will be looking forward to the final specs on all this new camera equipment. It’s good to see Sony continuing the innovation of there camera equipment just like Minolta. I will be getting a A77 maybe a nex next year when the veriect is out on the new SLT adapter.
Sony 50mm f/1.8 E-mount – great news.
Sony 50mm f/1.8 with OSS – even better news!
50mm 1.8 OSS – perfect. Hope it’ll be macro
The Sony 50mm f/1.8 OSS, is E-Mount?!! ADMIN please confirm this!
I WANT ONE NOOOOOOWWWWW!
Well it won’t be A-Mount, as Alpha DSLR/Ts have in-body stabilisation, plus there is already a 50mm f/1.8, for APS-C anyway.
OSS can mean only E-mount.
Your reasoning is logical, yeahhhhh!!!! E 50mm 1.8!!!! AWESOME
E-mount yes!
I want the NEX7 body only… Don’t want no overpriced overhyped “Zeiss” lens that is so much Zeiss, as is the 25/1.4 Panasonic “Leica”. I already have the 28/1.9 Ultron, which gives better 3D perspective than that wideish 24mm lens…
+1
Suddenly life becomes interesting again!!! I am so excited!! Thanks Andrea for all the phenomenal SARs and all of your hard works 🙂
+1
NEX 7 looks sexy!! I wasn’t considering buying one but I think I may now to complement the a77..
BTW I thought there would be more A mount lenses to be announced with the a77.. is that the complete list or are there still a few more products to come out?
unless Sony makes 2.0x cropped sensor… there will never be pancake lens for NEX system!!!! at least in the next 5 years…
there is a trade off… bigger sensor bigger lens…. or going smaller sensor smaller lens
:p
No pancake lens? Er, what about the Sony 16mm f2.8?
Yep, and it isn’t very good.
But it exists! That’s the point.
Some people want compactness over top image quality.
Not in a Zeiss they don’t!
Who said anything about Zeiss? What the hell are you on about?
Re-read Minoltian’s post before replying!
Quite the charmer, aren’t you SonyA77?
It seems to me that Minotian was replying to those complaining that the 24mm Zeiss is not going to be an f/2 pancake.
Okay you guys went off track :s
@ The Lotus Eater, that’s what you get for jumping in without bothering to read the post. Get over yourself.
What exactly did I “get”?
Grow up, you arrogant little POS.
Buy an m43 =most lenses
Nikon 2.7 crop or…
the”Q”
Unfortunately the smaller the sensor the greater the DOF so there is always a trade off no mater how many/small the lenses are.
Sub APS-c sensors can be great for macro work because of deep DOF but not so good for things like portraiture.
@john
As far as your DOF concerns go; if it helps any I’ve noticed very little difference in real world use between DOF control in m4/3’s and APS-C. I’ve seen all the DOF calculators, but in the real world the difference is almost nonexistent; especially at portrait focal lengths. A lens like the Olympus 45mm f/1.8 will provide more than enough DOF control to any competent portrait photographer. Background composition still matters; even when using shallow DOF…
what I meant by pancake is…. lens at least as small as m4/3 pancake lens
with aperture wider than 2.8 but still maintain its compactness
16/2.8 cant be called a pancake.. since it is an “E-Mount Pancake”… not “real Pancake”
🙂
So the Sony 16mm f2.8 that is only 22.5mm long and looks like a pancake lens with the whole Internet users saying it is a pancake lens, actually isn’t a pancake lens? You have some very strange ideas…
a Pancake is a Pancake as long as people see it as a Pancake. Doesn’t matter the technical definitions.
Ridiculous comment. Larger sensors usually require larger lenses BUT many pancake lenses have been made for 35mm film cameras (and a LONG time ago at that) – producing a pancake lens for a DX sensor is certainly possible !
All the more a shame for Sony not producing a single one as of yet. 🙁
Sure, many pancake lenses could be made for aps-c, by the way samsung already released several pancake prime lenses, don’t know y sony not follow…
moreover, seems the other manufactures not really means to produce e-mount lenses, just keep users waiting and waiting… hope they will show up in the sony announcement too, and confirm us the release day 😛
The problem with pancake lenses is that they aren’t very telecentric. That means they are prone to a lot of vignetting on large sensors. Film is not so sensitive. Of course it is possible to design lenses and sensors together to greatly reduce that, but that’s not really possible with a mount designed to allow the use of a very wide selection of lenses of different mounts via adaptors. In consequence, a true pancake is going to produce sub-optimal output on the NEX, but the upside is that it will work well with a very wide range of lenses and legacy mounts.
Native E-mount lenses have an 18mm flange back distance compared to 44.50 for native A-mount lenses using the same APS-c size sensor.
There in lies the rub.
😉
I am not expecting a 50mm pancake, of course. 😉
But if Fuji can equip their X100 with a 23mm/2.0 lens and keep the overall dimension of lens+body under 55mm, it should well be possible to make an E-mount 24mm pancake.
I would even be willing to trade some image quality for size – after all, it’s an interchangeable lens, and when you need more quality you can still use the bigger Zeiss instead.
Now I’m not really sure what to go for:
NEX-5N or NEX-7.
Will have to wait for final specs, reviews and actual prices.
The 16-50 f/2.8 sounds pretty good. I hope it won’t be over-priced.
I also was hoping for a 16-80 f/2.8…but no luck.
Is 16-80 even practical? Someone posted that Sony filed a patent for 16-80 2.8-3.5, but 16-80 2.8?
Indeed. What about Nikkor 45mm/2.8 P? Olympus OM 21mm? Voigtländers sub 30mm in different mounts?
I’ll take the NEX7 if it looks like that.
Hope the rumours are true, that camera will be the Semi-Pro needed in that range
Thanks you so much admin
love you <3
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Love you too! 🙂
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Do you guys think the NEX-7 could outperform a Canon 7D, both in image-quality and performance?
If so, I’m gonna have to start saving some cash for this baby!!
The A77 will do that!
Admin, if the A77 is better than the Canon 7D, simply have the largest sale in history! rsrsrs
I look forward to it! It is the replacement of my A700.
Congratulations on your dedication to SAR!
The a580, and even the a55 out-perform the in terms of image quality 7D. The 7D is an old sensor, poor in low light and less dynamic range than the 16.2mp sony sensor.
Check out dxomark for a comparison.
Andreas,
The A77 needs to do a whole lot more than just be better than Canon 7D.
It needs to be better than the Canon 5D Mark II and Nikon D3X, both in IQ and performance.
Go back to CanedNikors and stop interupting serious conversation with BS. No crop frame camera needs to beet FF costing double the price. BUT just wait untill the A99.
LOL, Eric, are you serious? At first, you just wanted the A77 to be better than the 7D. Then after Andreas confirmation, you wanted more. It would not be a surprise for the A77 to be better than 7D since the latter is out for a while already. However, to expect an APS-C to be better than two leading, previous gen FF is quite absurd. I would be happy if it is just as good. Nonetheless, I’m not interested in the A77.
Oh yes, why not even better than MF cameras? Your comment sounds quite ape.
TOTALLY agree with you, Eric. There seems to be no will on the part of Sony to address Canon and Nikon in terms of performance and high ISO low light issues.
nonsense; the Sony 16-mpx sensor is the reigning champ among aps-c sensors, and, although it soesn’t match the D3s sensor in high iso low-nise performance, the Sony FF 24-mpx sensor is the reigning champ among FF sensors, over all. Check out DXO.
Sony has no will? Just watch.
ajphotoimages,
Thanks! At least someone here agrees with me.
An upcoming brand-new sensor and processor in the A77 should beat the now aging Canon 7D (APS-C), 5D mkII (FF) and Nikon D3X (FF).
The A77 should:
1. Perform equally or better than any of those
2. Have IQ at least equal to the 5D Mk II
I don’t care if (some of) those have a Full-Frame sensor!
I expect the newer technology to somehow come-up with improvements, same as in the computer world with Intel and AMD CPUs.
Faster, yet more efficient – that’s how we progress.
>>> ” The A77 needs to do a whole lot more than just be better than Canon 7D.
>>> It needs to be better than the Canon 5D Mark II and Nikon D3X, both in IQ and performance.”
Man! I think you need some expectations management therapy 🙂 Why the hell should a mid-level APS-C DSLR be expected to beat top of the line $8K FF D3X in terms of IQ or performance? Or even beat a “lower-end” FF sensor in terms of IQ? Considering its price point if it can even beat a 7D then it is going to be a great achievement. Though in all honesty I don’t expect it to beat a 7D / D300s in all departments. Most probably it will beat them in some aspects – but not in all aspects.
I take your word on this, Andrea. That 16-50 lens looks pretty serious and rugged. If they don’t change their mind making it a cheappy plastic SAM, I will buy it together with A77. Altough I already own a marvellous Tamron 28-75 f2.8 (this one then will wait for A99..).
I hope its true but it is really premature to say that A77 will out-perform canon 7D. Sure it can easily do that on IQ – even existing sony sensors do that. However AF is a totally different story. 7D has a fairly sophisticated system for AF tracking. The reports about A77 AF have only commented on the speed of the AF which is not what cameras like 7D are about. What counts in the 7D domain is the ability to track large and small objects quickly and reliably and also the ability to control and configure the tracking behavior based on one’s need. So unless Sony has come up with completely new and improved tracking AF algorithms, it is pointless to compare the A77 AF to canon 7D. Sure it might be faster – even Panasonic GH2 is reported to be faster than many high-end DSLRs in single-shot mode, however no one will pick up a GH2 over 7D for sports or birds in flight.
Does the A77 grip fit A33?
You must complain with your pusher, dude 🙂
Pana: No of course not. The A33 does not even have the contacts for a grip. Face it, Sony does NOT produce a grip for every camera, they differentiate product lines by grip/no grip as well.
The A33 is an entry-level, consumer DSLT. No grip. If it was designed to accept a grip, Sony would have released it with a grip.
Try to look at http://www.ownuser.com.tw/mig_sa55.html
have to agree, the NEX7 looks pretty cool. BUT
The Zeiss is way to big! Sony still isnt capable of delivering good pancakes, and thats a shame… really. Samsung is offering very good pancakes, and it uses a APS-C sensor. why isnt sony capable of producing one? The NEX System would kick asses of m43 and Samsungs NX with small lenses. The telezoom already looks like a big thing, comparable to the 100-300 Pana, but hey, this one goes to 600mm Kb Equiv whereas the Sony will go up to ~315… The Oly 14-150 goes up to 300 as well, and looks pretty much smaller. I dont get the point, havin such big lenses with so small bodys… really i dont get it.
Sony CAN kick asses, but they wont, unless they will introduce such non-sense lenses…
Samsung is offering way better lenses, but with a crappy sensor…
m43 still is the way to go, but i really hope, Sony will understand, what customers want, if the purchase a SMALL system, yes, small lenses as well!
small cam+big lenses = fail!
This is the binary search algorithm.
Start from small, low quality lenses.
Then big, high quality lenses.
Then medium, medium quality lenses.
I won’t tell you not to complain, but it seems that Sony needs time on the NEX system 🙂 It doesn’t seem that they want to copy the m43.
As hard as it is to believe, Sony is trying to be different. While the media and the mass wants to compare Sony to other camera makers, seems like that’s not what Sony’s aiming for.
After all, US is one of the countries I know that attacks other brands in their ads. lol
Wasn’t aware the Samsung was APS-C, cheers for the heads up.
It seems that Sony is spreading their focus alot when it comes to the Camera system. I mean the Alpha mount lenses were slowly trickling in (pro ones) and now they have brought out the E-mount (originally only for point-shoot transitioners). I think that the demand for a Small body SLR type camera caught them by surprise. They have unwittingly awoken the old rangefinder crowd and have also caught the attention of those wanting a backup-body. I don’t think they planned to have High Quality glass on that system, but they are gonna have to play catch up.
I’m willing to bet that 80% of the people buying the NEX-7 have the intent to use non-E-mount glass. Sony will make a loss on this body/system if they don’t start producing good alternatives.
For me i’ve somewhat rediscovered Manual Focusing, since having my NEX-5, so right now I’m enjoying experimenting with various other manufacturers old lenses. When I get the NEX-7 it will be to use my Alpha Lenses + these third party lens. I’m not interested in the E-mount until smaller lenses are made (if at all possible)…
Last thought, I’m interested to see if Sigma/Tamron will get in on this E-mount production, as adapters are an ok stop gap, but some native lenses will be awesome.
Thomas, you have to realize that the NEX system is not just the Nex-3 & NEX-5–it includes several large video cams as well, and THERE (as on the samal cameras for those interested in IQ rather than size) the Zeiss 24 will shine. Be patient; enjoy what is turning into a great system. SOny or someone else will make the pancakes.
This is “GOD Like !!” SAR. I will be drooling at all of them till they appear in the market.
Nex7 would be the perfect body for the mFT-system.
Still, Nex system has no fast & small walk-around combination…
I’m kind of disappointed at NEX-5, no big appearance changing and no viewfinder. Only update the sensor to 16M plus some fuctions that released on NEX-C3.
Although it said a viewfinder can be used on 5N only, who cares?
oohh noo..!! Andrea..you do a very great job..congrats mate..!! 😀
but..to be honest..i am still not satisfied enough with NEX 7 design..and..hope its not only available in black color..im sick of black camera already..oh god..
I agree with you on NEX-7 design. Don’t bash me up for this but it’s no way close to beauty of Fuji X100. Let’s hope it works at least as good. The combo with Zeiss is definitively ugly!!!Why shove that combo instead of A77 + depicted 16-50? In my case I really see no reason.
Thank god it looks very little like the X100 retro style, which appeals to the old rangefinder crowd & no one else. The NEX-7 is quite beautiful in an entirely contemporary sense. And, btw, I love it with the Zeiss lens. Can’t imagine what you mean that the combo is ugly.
Imagine A77 in PINK! 😀
I want to see it in silver with a black grip!
Andrea, ask for Zeiss and their M-Zeiss Ikon system… will there be any digital Ikon?
Wow the NEX 7 is awesome!!! It’s really great that they integrated the alpha hot shoe mount. I wonder can people use NEX 7 to trigger off camera flashes?
NEX-7 RRP???????????????
do not know anything about the sony 10-24 ?
Oh My…Just woke up and this is like receiving a gift in Christmas =) Thank You admin..!
I’m a bit concerned that we do not hear anything about image quality of the new 24MP APS-C Sensor.
For my part, the NEX-7 looks disappointing. I’d rather had seen a Minolta A2 look, but that’s personal opinion.
AF will be slower and with the SLT Viewfinder Box it will be too expensive. An 16-50 E mount would have been necessary.
The NEX-5N is outdated already. You can get a A580 instead.
The A77 (although I do not like the SLT stuff) is the last hope. If imagequality is not good enough (something we might not be able to judge before Oktober), the last resort is waiting for FX. Sad story.
If the “D400” ond “Pentax?” with the same chip will deliver better quality, Sony will not take away any Semi-Professional Customers from the other guys. There is no clear perceptible way. All undecisive stuff to be released so far.
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Mick
What are you really looking at murf?:))
With these pics, I’m VERY happy I got my EP3. NEX: Giant Lenses. Ugly body in the NEX7 (though A-mount seems top notch if you don’t mind the size)
Expect sony sensor shit all over any mf3 camera
That NEX-7 looks rather fetching to my eyes.
The Zeiss (shall we call it the ZN24?) is so big I might as well just use a adapted A mount lens, though.
What will be the Kit-lens for the A65 ?
(& will it be of good quality?, if you can say good with kit-lenses)
Sounds like it’ll be the same as the current kit lens. Unless there’s an option of buying it with the 16-50/2.8.
NEX 7 looks great. HUUUGE lens, though, considering it’s only a 24mm prime?! NEX 7 could be a true replacement for a dslr. Looking forward to getting one…
Oh wait. We want E-mount lenses as well. Come on, Sony…
Drool drooooooooooooool 😀
Amazing NEX new successors, wonder when can get a nex5n or nex7, hope not too expensive ’cause i’m using a DSLR already……
i cant wait anymore~~
still waiting for the a900 replacement, a77 not enough
really waitong for news on that
understood but A700 owners have waited longer and you only have to wait 1 year and you will get 2 options.
Agreed!
Agrees with just about everybody else here.
NEX7 looks great.
Zeiss 24mm is way too big.
Without smaller prime lenses, the smallness of NEXs over traditional DLSRs is lost.
“Without smaller prime lenses, the smallness of NEXs over traditional DLSRs is lost.”
Not really, because the part of “smallness” that matters is the thin body that allows the use of almost any lens with adaptors. You can’t put a Leica-M lens on a DSLR.
And bellows never worked very well on either film or digital SLRs, because the cameras are too thick.
+1
It’s nice to see some details leaked on the new E-mount optics!
I know that this is a rumor site but it would be nice to have someone describe the trade-off between lens size and optical performance and between sensor size and lens size/performance.
We all have noticed that fast optics (f2.8)are bigger and heavier than slow (f4.5-5.6) lenses and I think that most of us get this, but why are lenses that are perceived to be sharper are also often bigger?
Many here keep asking about pancake lenses and smaller lenses but seldom are we asking for sharper lenses with less distortion and light-loss in the corners.
I think all of us would agree that a smaller lighter lens is very much preferable to a bigger heavier lens, but as I look around often the “better” lens is also the bigger and heavier choice.
I see the camera as a platform for the optics that then delivers the image to the sensor, so do by using a smaller lens do we risk the image that the sensor records?
I think people just want small lenses to go with the small body. Samsung has done a pretty good job so far. Ideally, we all want to have more options: small, pancake lenses with compromises and big, absolute gorgeous lenses. It’s just that big lens seems to be not as well-balanced on the NEX.
@Don Cox:
“Not really, because the part of “smallness” that matters is the thin body that allows the use of almost any lens with adaptors. You can’t put a Leica-M lens on a DSLR.” This is a nice ability of course, but a bit esoteric also.
The wast majority of potential NEX buyers will want a couple of primelenses that are specifically designed for the NEX. Because only then will we get lenses that are small, bright, sharp, have AF, and affordable too.
“And bellows never worked very well on either film or digital SLRs, because the cameras are too thick” Bellows ! When you have managed to attach a legacy lens and bellows to a NEX, please post some images of the thingamabob.
“When you have managed to attach a legacy lens and bellows to a NEX, please post some images of the thingamabob.”
I don’t yet own a NEX – I plan to buy a Nex-7. But there have been many pictures of bellows in use on the NEX-5 on the dpreview NEX forum.
For example:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1042&message=39007046&q=bpm+bellows&qf=m
There will be a bellows on my NEX-7 as soon as I get the camera and the adaptors.
What is the difference between the new sensor in Nex5N and the one in Nex5?
How many MegaPixels will the new sensor have?
There will be no more over rating I presume.
*HEATING
is it me or does the Zeiss 24mm seems to be attached with an adaptor?
if not, is huge, my last hope is sigma to produce some great compact for our NEX, or else i might have to go somewhere for the mirrorless, maybe Samsung, M43?
but the DSLR part is really interesting.
Congrats, NEX7 is a killer. But i like the small size of Zeiss as well, considering its a 1.8. The size fits really well on the NEX7. Looks like it will be roughly the same size as the kit lens, which is fine, because most people are using their NEXs with the kit lens only. Size is perfect for the NEX7, very well balanced combo. As far as i know, Canon Nikon APSC systems don’t have a really fast 35mm prime, i could be wrong.
Looks like we’re getting quite close to the camera I want. A 35mm-equivalent lens, a small, lightweight body with good build-quality, a high-quality built-in viewfinder, a non-DSLR design, good manual focusing abilities, good ergonomics, APS-C sized sensor or larger.
I was hoping that the Fuji X100 was going to meet all of these needs, but it seems a bit too quirky for my tastes: poor manual-focusing, slow auto-focusing, needing to switch between macro and normal shooting modes, poor image-quality at close-focusing distances wide-open, etc.
It looks to me like Sony is going to prevail on most of these qualities. The only thing I’m disappointed about is the 24/1.8 size. The jacket pocketability of the EP-3 with pancake or the X100 is definitely appealing, but it’s not absolutely essential.
Also, I don’t know of any fast 35mm-equivalent interchangeable lens (on an APS-C sized sensor) that is smaller than this 24/1.8 looks.
I primarily shoot with three focal lengths: 35, 50, and 85. After that 50/1.8 gets released (though I would have preferred it being 60mm), the only lens missing from the NEX line line-up (for me) is a nice near-50mm-equivalent lens. Something just like the Samsung 30/2 pancake would be perfect. I am quite confident that Sony has the engineering capability to do that. They just need the will.
I’ll wait to see some user reports (I am still perplexed about the two rear wheels positioned at the top of the right side of the camera), but I’m quite confident that the NEX-7 is the next camera I am going to buy. As soon as I save up the funds, of course.
isn’t the 30mm macro having a FF 50mm equivalent?
Crop factor for this version of APS-C is 1.5, so the 30mm shows the same like FF 45mm. Crop factor for film recordings has been 1.8 on NEX-5 making this lens something like a FF 54mm in video mode, but with the higher resolution sensors the film crop factor might change. So the 30mm Macro should become something like the NEX Standard Lens, yes, and I doubt there will come something else from SONY in the near future.
Anyway, crop only means something like digital zoom and does not change the special style of the focal length. Therefore 30mm on a NEX will always look like a crop from a full frame wide angle and never like a full frame standard lens.
This also means 85mm will always stay 85mm. So if you’re into portrait and want the decent length of a nose shown by these lenses, you’ve still got to take 85mm for that and go for bigger distances to compensate the smaller sensor format.
Not at f/3.5. Not even close. I should have specified ‘fast’ 50mm-equivalent.
There are other 30mm lenses coming but not from Sony
The Zeiss 24mm f/1.8 is a bit large but it is acceptable for me. 🙂
The Nex7 need a super high quality lens to full use the advantage of the 24Mpix sensor.So at this moment, a high quality Zeiss lens is needed. Many ppl choose Sony becoz of their Zeiss lens.
I am sure, Sony will produce some pancake lens in the future.
They know what the customer needs, but they just can’t output all the lens we need within a short period of time.
So just give Sony some time and Sony will keep on make us surprise. 😛
Did someone reconized that on the lens is ZA and not ZE wrotten ?
Yes, and it makes me afraid of the Nex-7 would be A-mount and not E-mount !???
Maybe ZA stands for Zeiss-Alpha…Alpha for the camera line, and remember that NEX-series cameras are also part of the Alpha brand.
And think a bit more, why Sony would develop another Zeiss 24mm in less than 3 years? (The other being 24mm f/2.0 for A-mount)
Zeiss calls their lenses for Canon EF mount “ZE”, that’s why.
All looks great but we need more Alpha lenses, 300mm F4 or 400mm F2.8 for eg.
Also they could redesign old Minolta lenses but now with SSM…wow, only imagine the 200mm f/2.8 with SSM =)
16-50mm f/2.8 SSM looks very similar to scaled down
24-70mm F2.8 ZA SSM this would make sence as it would be a good lens to have started design from.
Not sure about the others, but that NEX-7 image is the fakest thing I’ve ever seen. Look at the grip – there’s an obvious “stretching” artifact line straight down the thing.
Has anyone else noticed that the Zeiss lens has those “ZA” letters in the front? Shouldn’t be “ZE” instead?
Yeah, it kinda looks big… I would suspect that maybe is not the final version at all. To me it looks like an A mount lens with the A mount adapter on the Nex-7
as I said to another poster…maybe ZA stands for Zeiss-Alpha, Alpha being the brand, not the A-mount…
I had my mind set on the E-p3 with pan/leica 25mm but not I’m not so sure. I should wait for the reviews I guess. I’ll wait to see what Nikon have up their sleeves too. Lots of Nikon EVIL rumors
OK, so lots of complaints about the apparent size of the Zeiss 24. But looks might deceive, since the NEX bodies are so small… So, to put things (a bit) straight: Can anyone read the filter size from the image ??
55mm maybe? 😮
looks like 49 to me
It’s 49mm. But it looks bigger in all directions than a Minolta 50/1.4 on a A->E mount adaptor.
what do you guys think that switch is on the 16-50ssm? bottom right of the lens, it reads ‘lock’ i think..
lock for the Zoom, prevents the lens barrel from zooming in itself when you wear it with front lens to the ground
if the zeiss lens is a pancake lens , that will be perfect. even a smaller aperture is not a problem…
also….my personal opinion….. i hate silvery…. i like black…. this is the first E-mount lense which catch my heart…. but not a pancake…
i will keep looking aside , i decide to bought a mirrorless at the end of this year…. just waiting the Nikon and samsung show their product…..
Good stuff, Andrea, thanks !
That NEX-7 looks very similar to the 1981 Sony Mavica !
http://www.sonyinsider.com/2009/03/11/akio-morita-and-1981s-mavica-electronic-camera/
The Zeiss is a Sonnar? Strange, I would have expected a Biogon design for a 24mm, not a Sonnar.
Note the much shorter flange distance of the NEX mount. Makes SONNAR possible.
Biogon is Zeiss’ trademarks for non-retrofocus wideangles. Sonnar is their name for non-Gauss type standard lenses.
24mm is pushing it a bit for a standard lens on APS, though.
“NEX-5N -> An updated Sony NEX-5 with new sensor”
I wonder if it’s just a tweaked 16MP sensor or something new between 16MP and 24MP.
🙂
The blown-up picture says 16.1 in the right down corner of the NEX-5N body if I can trust my eyes.
Most likely it will be the 16Mpix sensor of the NEX-C3 but in full HD video mode.
High five Andrea!
A77 Grip has a useless button ever that can be found on any Camera body – “Smart Teleconverter” (the one nearest alpha logo) so i hope that is not final design. (but i probably wouldn’t buy it because of ridiculously high price)
This is awesome. I am excited for this like i was for my very first SLR way back in the day. I have a 50mm Nokton 1.1 waiting, and the Zeiss lens is big but I care so much more about the performance, It was the biggest reason I was swayed away from the MFT, the FPS are just not there, and the sony nex-5 has been working in field for me better than I ever dreamed. Thanks SAR for some fantastic information, this is what Ive been waiting for. Can’t wait for the 24th
Man that zeiss lens looks huge. If you’re into street photography you probably won’t want that camera. If the nex 7 shutter sound is as loud as before you’re going to be scaring your subjects away with a lens like that. They are going to feel like you are gunning them down and taking their souls. The Fuji X100 on the other hand looks so innocuous with it’s retro styling and small lens. The nex 7 looks great but I get the sense that Sony missed the mark for street photographers.
some street photographers
I don’t think so. Throw a MF Olympus OM 24mm F/2 via an adapter, and it will be a great size, great IQ and cost WAY less than the Zeiss…
For street work, including in areas where you do NOT want to be waving an SLR around, I find the NEX-5 with the Voightlander 15mm Super Heliar an absolute joy to use – great DOF, compact, robust etc etc. And very unobtrusive.
Mike
There is no need to be coy or secretive with your street photography – I’ve been using my A900 and 70-200 G lens for street photography – I’m very close to my subjects. Often, I try to talk to them before or after I shoot them. Frequently, I get their contact information so I can send them copies. So, I don’t buy into the idea that you need a spy camera for street photography. Here are just a few from a couple of street photography outings – all were with A900 and 70-200G – As you can see, I’m up close.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1207911588_JdYkp-X2.jpg
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jMZTd6r/0/XL/i-jMZTd6r-XL.jpg
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/1207133193_Yz7Cm-X2.jpg
I once had a women go off at me hysterically when I was shooting with my 100-400. I wasn’t even photographing her, but my presence alone was enough. Humans come in all sorts of flavours.
Really nice photos, by the way.
@Carl
Thanks.
Huge lens not for street photography? What nonsense; a smile will solve >most< problems.
Do you have any information about some feautes in A77, such as aprerture and shutter control in video mode? I also want to know, will A77 have shutter timer, which can make (for ex. 1 frame every 30 sec)?
coming soon…
Thank god, only reason I’m holding my Sony stock is to see if manual control is there or not. If not it’s 7D for me.
Manual control is an overblown feature – what with the usual framerates, you can only close down the aperture a bit – or install some heavy lighting setups. Control is illusory.
The a77 will have SIGNIFICANTLY better image quality than a 7D though.
The a580 already convincingly beats the 7D, and the a77 will be at least that good, and probably a lot better.
@Rob Overblown? I’d like you to go tell Phillip Bloom that. Better yet anybody that makes a living off cinematography. Apparently you have never had to match footage from multiple sources. Ever wanted to expose for the sky on your Alpha? Expose for the shade? Apparently you think 24p conversion gives you the same result as native. You probably think you can do proper black and white photographs in photoshop too.
@ David Not even close. 48mps compression are you kidding! Then there is the manual control and framerate thing that a bunch of people that don’t use SLR cameras for professional video seem to think is not a big deal.
Would you buy a camera that didn’t have manual control for photography? Why should cinematographers be forced to do just that. Oh wait, they don’t have to. Canon has plenty of Sub-3000 dollar options.
You need to remember that this is a rumor site and not a photography site!
You will get a lot of great information here, but little to do with photography or about the image. Not often will the subject of photography even come up and I’m not convinced many here even care about the art, but care only the tech!
A lot if irrational fanboy stuff about NEX and Sony, it can be fun but sometimes it’s just irrational.
@Swemba +1
Manual aperture and shutter control during video are a huge deal. As is control over the video sharpness, contrast, and saturation so we can set our own profiles like the canon’s.
These are deal breakers for me, that and 60p but Andrea already confirmed 720p60p on the a77. I feel very limited with video on my a33.
“As is control over the video sharpness, contrast, and saturation” – What? you’ve got to be kidding me. Noone serious uses this in camera. It’s the stuff you add during post-processing of your video material. What you said is like… if everyone would develop RAWs in their DSLRs. lol
SRL; by all means start a discussion on photography. I’m confident there are enough of us here who actually use our cameras for photographs, rather than just some oblique form of retail therapy.
@Sky_Walker not entirely true. The more you can do in camera the better. Would you like to get proper exposure with your shutter/aperture or use Exposure in Raw? Would you rather use proper white balance or use temperature in RAW?
@AdamC The GH2 does seem to be an amazing video DSLR. Not to mention I love AHCVD compression. I’m still up in the air about it’s abilities as a photographers camera vs the 7D.
@Everyone else. The age of the consumer handy cams are over. If you want a sub 3000 dollar option for indy film making, event filming, or even podcasting you get a DSLR. Sony needs to realize that Canon has this market dominated because they have a dedicated video department in their DSLR wing that listens to their filmakers and actually releases firmware.
Yes SONY has the FS100 which I want sooo badly, but how many of use can afford that investment and is it really, REALLY 2500 dollars better than a 5D Mark 2?
I love my A33. I have done some sports event coverage and the auto-focus coupled with a nice zoom is absolutely amazing. Recently I was helping a buddy out shooting greenscreen. He was doing a simple jog and we where trying to eliminate motion blur. We had to switch to a Rebel T31 to get the proper shutter speed. That is UNACCEPTABLE.
The A77 is going to be a decision point for me. It will either be the video DSLR everyone wants or the one everyone finds irrelevant. It’s up to Sony. Anybody that uses their DSLR for paid video work and for a competitive editing portfolio knows you need manual control or there are going to things in your reel that employers WILL notice and wonder why those problems even exist if you could fix them with just a couple of settings. You won’t get hired. Especially if your like me and you need to shoot for video effects purposes. There are so many aspects of POST that you need to see ahead of time get filmed correctly. You need to control your footage.
“Would you like to get proper exposure with your shutter/aperture or use Exposure in Raw?” – it doesn’t have anything to deal with what I said. Sharpness, contrast and saturation are things you do in post-processing, not in camera. Aperture and shutter controls aren’t in any way similar to this. I don’t know how did you came to such an analogy.
“The age of the consumer handy cams are over.” – yea, yea, I hear things still-alive being announced dead ever since the beginning of press-age. It makes newspapers sell better.
Hm… let’s do some re-cap: weren’t the compact cameras with video about to kill all of consumer camcoders? 😉 DSLRs aren’t yet suitable to replace consumer camcoders, not with this degree of rolling shutter, and these ergonomics for video. Static scenes? Sure, DSLRs win by the miles, but any other purpose they lag even behind the consumer camcoders, not saying about the pro one. DSLRs rule when comes to depth of field effects, etc, but in every-day use for people the dedicated camcoder will give better results.
But that’s one of topics in endless discussion between pro-filmmakers and tight-budget filmmakers. A discussion that really lacks a point, cause we live in a times where everyone can choose what they want 🙂
I was talking about still image quality, not video 😉
a580 walks all over a 7D, and the a77 will too
And if video is so important, why not get a proper video camera? I never understood this. The primary function of a camera should be still images, and in that regard the Sony cameras beat out the 7D, no problem.
You may complain about lack of video features etc, but I don’t want my still image camera to become more expensive putting in a ton of video stuff I will never use. See it works both ways!
Really Sky_walker ??? No one uses this in camera???
There’s numerous guides and suggestions on flattening your image for the canon dslr’s for video using the settings i mentioned.
Here’s one by Stu Maschwitz http://prolost.com/flat/
Technicolor even developed a profile to make the image as flat as possible.
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2011/04/29/technicolor-cinestyle-profile-available-for-canon-5dmkii/
Bottom line, the Canon’s have these options in camera and I would like them on the Sony’s. I’m not talking about RAW, i’m talking about flattening the video image so it’s easy to grade in post. You can always add sharpness and contrast in post but it’s really hard to try to reduce them.
I would rather go (for movies) into GH2 … … micro 4/3 give You benefit with Panasonic AF 100 / 101 … and third generation of GHX and whole bunch of lenses… Canon doesn’t impress with the image’s sharpness and overlook (it’s soft and bit of noisy)… see on Vimeo! … GH2 gives just better image than 7d… BUT ! I’m not comparing the GH2’s image to 1d / or / 5dmII !! only to 7d / 550/ 60d / 600d
I have to see the a65 / a77 movie look… it has to be perfect… if not … sorry sony … I will sell You and buy Panasonic…
If not , go for 7D II 😀
You better start counting it down, then, or someone else will beat you to it.
ugh, the 24mm zeiss is huge.
at least the nex7 looks clean and modern. the two rear dials are nice.
The Zeiss lens is a 24mm f1.8 Sonnar? That will be the first time when the Sonnar design is used for under 50mm. Sonnars get terrible focus shifts as they get wider, a design limitation.
I very much doubt the Zeiss lens is a Sonnar. And if it’s not, well, the NEX-7 is fake as well.
Maybe the Sonnar design doesn’t have those problems with the shorter flange distance of the E-mount. After all, the focal length is larger than the flange distance, just like a 50 mm would be on a classic SLR body.
Zeiss’ non retro-focus wide angle lens designs that require a short mount to sensor distance are usually “Biogon”.
If it were a Biogon design it would be considerably shorter.
This looks more like a scaled down version of Zeiss’ 1.4/35 Distagon – but the name is wrong.
The Sonnar and Tessar designations have often been used for 35mm eq. lenses (like this one) for compact cameras like Rollei, Yashica, Contax. Sonnar – in this segment – means ‘high end’ while Tessar is ‘main street’. So this lens should be good!
Does deem strange if the 24mm lens is a “Sonnar” – one would expect a Distagon or Biogon
AFAIK the widest angle “Sonnar” prime lenses were 40mm – on the Rollei 35S cameras. These were collapsible lenses.
Zeiss made some 5cm / 50mm Sonnar lenses in M mount – but no Sonnar lens wider than that
“Vario Sonnar” lenses do cover wide angle.
I have a 35S. A lens that size for the NEX would be fantastic.
I had a 38mm Sonnar in a compact film Contax. Nice lens too.
A T2?
The non pancake 24 mm is bad news. Good news is that I don’t spend money on new photo gear and do pictures instead. 😉
Do I see a shift in how SONY does controls ? What are the two rotating dials ? And all the buttons on the back of NEX-7 (see the prev leaked picture) ?
This will make me happy, quick access to some functions like WB, Color & ISO is critical in making good photos.
Seems like SONY is finally getting it: a broader range of cameras, I mean this year’s NEX 3C/5N/7 instead of last year’s almost identical NEX 3/5. And the top of the line NEX-7 is more focused towards people with more knowledge in making photos (better control, integrated view-finder).
(and yes, they need a silent shutter and a 28mm pancake).
That panel between the hotshoe and top dials, do you figure that’s the NEX accessory port or a pop-up flash?
According to the previous leak that was reported to be a pop up flash between the hotshoe and the dials.
Yeah, that Zeiss lens is a real bummer… What the heck were Zeiss thinking when they did it? But anyway, I can’t wait to put some Voigtlander lenses on the NEX-7… The more pancakes, the better.
“What the heck were Zeiss thinking when they did it?”
Form follows function.
The lens is really THAT good?
If it’s anything close to the 24mm Distagon for alpha: YES!
where is the 500 lens. I hope there will also be some pro and semi pro stuff.
now that I noticed the “ZA” on the lens I say FAKE 🙂
(that or it’s an A-mount lens with an adpator 🙂
Not necessarily. Perhaps it was decided that the Zeiss lenses would stick with the ZA designation? After all, NEX cameras are Alphas too. Zeiss-Alpha still makes sense.
I totally agree with you. Currently there’s a “ZE” denomination by Carl Zeiss.
CP.2 lenses that are developed for the FS100 for example. So in this case it should be the same, and not a “ZA” lens.
Oh screw it, I was wrong. ZE are CANON LENSES ! So this could end up with some confusion in the near future.
oh, you’re right. there already are ZE lenses… so ZA is probably correct then… oh well 🙂
They could try “ZN”.
or ZWTF
ZOMG might work.
The reason why the lenses are so big is because sony is making them with the fs100 and vg camera’s in mind, they lenses are trying to do two things and failing at both.
What actually happens is that you get a lenses which doesn’t please anyone. On one hand they try to make them small so they don’t look too out of place on the smaller nex cameras but this comes at cost in that the lenses end up slower which is not really ideal for low light videography work.
What i think sony needs to do is split the nex lenses into two categories. One category for consumers/enthusiast and another for videographers/pros.
The emphasis for the consumer range should be size and portability instead of speed. Most consumers are interested in the nex because they get dslr quality in a much smaller size. They need small lenses.
Sony could make a 24/f2, 30/f2, 35/f2 50/f2 and 85/f2 for group
for pros and videographers they could make these same lenses but with much smaller aperture like 24/1.2 etc because for this group of customer the size of the lenses is not really a problem.
The question is whether sony has the resources to do this.
Resources? Sony don’t have the MARKET to do this. At this point, that 24 shows they are committed to pro lenses in the E mount. That they would make two completely separate and full-featured lens lines for the NEX, plus the Alpha mount lenses, is a completely absurd proposition.
You don’t need to make an entire line of lenses for NEX-Cameras and NEX-videocameras. Even if Sony just made 2 more fast pancake lenses more suited for NEX-Cameras (say a 30/2 and 60/2) they would make ALOT of people happy. The alpha line has expensive CZ lenses and cheap, plastic ‘easy choice’ lenses. The pancakes would simply be NEX’s version of the ‘easy choice’ series. Just make them pancakes, cheap and out of plastic.
Why – according to your logic – should the lens become bigger because it can also be used for video?
to look more “pro” obviously! B)
Where’s the viewfinder on the nex7 ? How is this like the x100?
I can’t wait to see the Nex-7, and I’ll buy one !
I don’t care about the Zeiss lens and it’s size, there is so many lenses that you can mount with adapters and a few are the best available ! Oh sorry, manual lenses of course… 😉
There is an EVF on the far left of the backside of the camera. See this other mockup: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-hot-is-that-the-first-image-of-the-nex-7/
Now IF the manufactures of the adapters could implement PDAF via SLT I think a ton more Nex7’s would be sold to Canikon owners.
Downside would be Sony wouldn’t sell as many native E-mount/A-mount lenses but the current 3rd party adapters already reduce sales.
;-/
opps, forgot it’s only efv. wish it had both ovf and efv. But I’ll buy just the same.
Andrea, will the 16-50/2,8 SSM be all metal or metal+plastic exterior?
I don’t knwo that yet! But I think plastic exterior.
I hope it’s a lot of metal~ 16-50/2.8 should be a rugged one 😀
The major factor for the success of the mirrorless systems is the small size with great image quality. Unfortunately, Sony lenses are making the small bodies to loose its advantage. Too bad, I really like the Nex system and was considering to buy it. Let’s see what Samsung will bring.
Samsung has been definitely much more intelligent in its lens roadmap. Now what we need is a decent Samsung body/sensor 🙂 If the next gen samsung sensors can get close to Sony then Samsung can be a very attractive option for all those who are looking for small native AF lenses with an APS-C sensor.
Nex will be more attractive to people who want to use manual lenses, due to the flange distance, you can adapt virtually any lens…
Agreed. Thats why I explicitly mentioned “small native AF lenses” 🙂 . In any case despite all the joys of manual lenses, I am sure that if a competent set of AF lenses are available then most users will opt for native AF lenses over MF lenses. I actually don’t like any of the samsung bodies and prefer NEX. However at the end of the day the decision has to be made on what system meets one’s needs in a better way.
Yes, I suspect the Nex 7 will be better than the upcoming Samsung (and cost quite a bit more as well). But the current and upcoming Samsung lenses are much more impressive- including three pancakes. It’s amazing that Sony has done such a terrible job with the lenses for the Nex. They need to realize, it defeats the purpose of a small body if you have to put a giant lens on it. They need to make some nice primes- and redo that 16mm, which is terribly soft in the corners.
Samsung will not able to convince you to buy their product line up 😀 their NX100 not really stand out. Why not look into Panny + Leica or Noktor
Andrea, will the 16-50/2,8 SSM is a DT lens or Full Frame lens? i really courius about it. thank you 😀
If you had been up todate on this forum it is obviously DT. would cost double if it is possible to even do it FF.
if you look at the image, it says DT
That NEX-7 is a thing of beauty! Though I have to admit I’m worried about the overall size of it creeping up. The body looks fairly significantly larger than the NEX-5 to begin with — notice the mount doesn’t extend above and below the body like it does on the NEX-5. That means that the Zeiss is probably even larger than we realize, since the camera is making it look a bit smaller. This thing will look enormous on a NEX-5!
Still, I can’t wait to try one (the camera AND the lens)!
Looking at them both quickly in PS, it looks like the NEX-7 is a little taller, but a little narrower than the NEX-3. Not bad, considering the EVF.
I don’t believe it is narrower. If you remember the previous leaked pic, the back half of the camera slopes down, so you can’t see the whole depth of the body from this front angle.
I have to admit that I wanted the A77 since I already have Nex5 and I used to have A700 for years but it broke 🙁 So, my hopes were for a replacement by A77. While waiting for it I was using Nex5 and now with the new Nex7 I have to tell you all that I’ll get the Nex7 instead of A77. Why? I like the small size, I have a lot of M-mount lenses and few high end A-mount lenses that I use with the adapter. If the Nex7 does have what we all hope for then I’ll be in the 7th heaven with it.
The 55-210 lens for E mount… it’s a joke right? Why Sony can’t make some bunch of prime lenses with constant f4 that are very compact? I love the IQ on the Voigtlander 21mm f4 lens and it’s such a small little wonder on my Nex5.
Do you have a technique for using it? I imagine it would be nice to just stop it down & pre-focus it…?
Hi Andrea, you have developped a mobile site. very good!
Unfortunately there is an issue with windows mobile 7 hTC phone, at least.
Immediately after the site is loaded it disappears and a blank screen is left. there is no time to switch to the desktop website. it disapears too fast.
oh, that’s pity! I will report that to the plugin developers! Thanks!
Andrea
Any news on:
“NEX-5N -> An updated Sony NEX-5 with new sensor”
What the new sensor is?
16 Megapixel sensor!
So no big change on NEX-5?
“sarcasm mode on”You forgot about EVF support, the most breakthrough innovation!”sarcasm mode off”
Still can’t figure out why sony decided to limit the EVF only for new 5N. It makes no sense. They’ve already sold milions of E mount cameras, percentage of those who’d like to buy EVF would be higher than those who’ll buy 5N. Current users will rather upgrade to 7, than 5N and those wanting little cheap camera will get C3. So target market for 5N is rather narrow(so market for EVF is even narrower), so why release something that is so desired by many only to few?
Hopefully Andrea you source is wrong and nex-3/5/C3 will be supported.
maybe the current cameras with the current pins setup on the smart accessory port doesn’t support video communication…I remember seeing the explanation of the contact pins and never saw something that could support video communication…
or maybe is marketing strategy. They know a lot of people complained about the lack of EVF, so they hope that these people are going to upgrade from NEX-3/5/C3 to NEX-5N just for the EVF (and the better sensor)
Sony already gave you guys a new firmware update for free!! They can’t take care of old users forever right? My 2 cents. 😉
Old user? After a year those who bought 3/5 are considered old users?
I’d rather be stuck on old firmware than get excluded from the possibility of buying accessory for my camera.
Besides, who’s going to buy 5N with EVF instead of 7? If the price can be any indicator, I’d suspect 5N with EVF will cost slightly less than 7. So what’s the point?
Limited potential market for the EVF.
“After a year those who bought 3/5 are considered old users?” – yep. Most Sony cameras don’t get any updates at all, so what they did is a huge improvement comparing to previous history.
As I said. I’d rather keep using old FW than be denied possibility of buying accessories for my year old camera.
Year old camera which is still on warranty, so I wouldn’t consider it old.
Why is there no inbody stabalisation in the Nex cameras? Is it because the bodies are two small or Sony are shifting to lens stabalisation?
Also will the A65 have the same evf as the A77, seems as they share the same sensor?
Too small, at least that’s what dpreview said.
May be the over heat problem too.
is it possible that the a77 will use the np-fm500h battery? the “connector” of the vg-c77am looks similar to the vg-c70am…
I think the Nex 7 is a bland, boring looking camera. But I suspect it will have some impressive specs. My main problem with it are the Sony lenses. Quality wise they tend to be unimpressive and with the exception of the 16mm they’re all too big for such a small camera. It totally defeats the purpose. They need at least three or four nice pancakes. The ergonomics of these Nex cameras are ridiculous when you put a normal sized lens on them.
Sometimes bland, boring looking is what people want. The NEX 3/5 are more targeted towards the hip. I like the rugged look of NEX 7. But let’s get some hands on video. 2D image only goes so far.
Good point acolyte. While I prefer the curves of the new Nex 3 I think most serious photographers will prefer the looks of the Nex 7. They’ll certainly like the manual controls. And I’m almost certain the specs will be impressive. They better be- this camera is rumored to be around a $1,000 isn’t it? Not cheap. It’s just a pity they are let down by lenses. They really need some nice pancakes.
I hope fore:
1. Hot shoe – checked
2. EVF – checked
3. fixes to auto iso and exposure to make it friendly to non stabilized lenses (16mm pancake) – minimum shutter speed should be user selectable
4. video controls would be nice
5. few more buttons and dials will go long way
6. the tiny package should stay, the magnificent display too
7. Improved focusing aids for manual lenses – the peaking feature seems to be display function and not producing accurate enough results for photography.
Seems Sony are delivering
Yeah, feature r&d time vs product release/life cycle time 🙂 Hopefully first users feedback will kick Sony’s backside to move even faster 🙂 But they need those first users for that, so have to release it sooner than later 🙂
Yeah, $1000 is not an entry level price. It better match at least the expectations of semi pros.
The NEX-7 is meant to be $1200, no? I’d much rather drop that $1200 on an X100 than a NEX-7 with its current awful lineup. Make a pancake 20mm and 30mm like Samsung’s and we’ll talk/
I don’t care about the size of the Zeiss. I’d rather have a great large lense than a not-as-great pancake.
Now, with that Nex 7 body with EVF, I know what I’m getting myself this Christmas or earlier. 🙂
the Panasonic 20/1.7 pancake is both faster then f1.8 and f2, and its a phenomenal lens!
so is the samsung 30/2!
yeah, but Panasonic NX system got more distance from flange to sensor to work with..Sony compromised themselves by using such a small distance like 18mm…but I’m sure they will deliver in at least 3 years the 2nd pancake..I don’t mind the current lenses lineup…I will buy them anyways as long as they deliver great quality.
Cant they just make the lens a few mm further away to have same flange? (instead they are twice as big)
They can, and 2mm is near nothing, RAUL.S have no idea what is he talking about
Reason why NEX Lenses are bigger than the Panasonic 20mm =
1-Sony sensor use bigger sensor
2-Panasonic lens have garbage level of distortion (3.82%) which is way higher than most wide angle prime lenses even though the panasonic lens is not a wide angle (it’s 40mm~) Panasonic use software correction to correct the distortion, optically it’s not amazing lens
3-F1.7 for 2x sensor is not equal to F1.8 for 1.5Sensor, there are compact zoom lenses that start with F1.5 and so with compact cameras, The sony sensor will deliver much better depth of field control for example.
etc
Still THOUGH having a pancake rocks ! even with all its flaws
theres no Panasonic NX system, its Samsung and it uses a APS-C sensor like the NEX,
Someones getting confused
Radial distortion and chromatic aberration can be corrected in post. Lack of sharpness cannot. This is why the Panasonic 14mm is better than the Sony 16mm.
260 comments so far, this rumor was quite a hit 😛
the 24/1.8 is big
the 50/1.8 is not attractive, how many of us have dozens of 50/1.4 already? :\
sony should have produced a 50mm “equivalent” before this 2 lens,
Please sign the sony NEX 30/2 pancake petition to sony, u can state 35/1.4 or other variations in the “comments” field
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?NEX30mm
Sigma already making a 30mmF2.8 pancake
http://www.digitalcamera.jp/html/HotNews/image/2011-02/09/P1050745-L.JPG
cool didn’t know that was coming
Dozens would make one quite the connoisseur. 😀
That said, I have a Sony, an M42 Pentax and a currently unusable Konica (AR mount, that is) from my younger days, so I’m in danger of ending up that way…
Where are the E-mount pancakes lenses?
They’re being mass produced RIGHT NOW in the future, around 2013/2014 😀 wait for them
There won’t come more pancakes for NEX at all, since APS-C does not allow them to be constructed that small as for μ4/3 sensors. Just compare Panasonic’s LUMIX G 20 mm f/1.7 ASPH to SONY’s SEL16F28:
http://www.lenstip.com/287.3-Lens_review-Sony_E_16_mm_f_2.8_Build_quality.html
Then keep in mind that 20mm on μ4/3 would be something like 27mm on APS-C and more towards the forthcoming SEL30M35. NEX-lenses will always be much bulkier than those constructed for μ4/3 and only a little smaller than lenses for full frame…
A 24mm lens needs only for its node point to be 24mm from the film. This is true in any format size, so the length of a lens is not depended on the format size what so ever.
Sony could make a 24mm lens that is only 28mm long as sony would need to add 6mm length to the lens to accommodate the node point. sony could make a 10mm lens that is recessed in the body by 8mm and build it as a 10mm pancake lens (corners would be a big problem but that does not mean it cant be done.)
In truth only lens diameter, Telecentricity coefficient (corner sharpness), and perceived lens length, are the only native advantages of m43.
Come on, there’ll be never fast quality pancakes for APS-C like that and those hoping for that will wait until the end of time. Don’t get me wrong, if I’d change from NEX it would be back to full frame and not to something smaller. You can have even fast pancakes for μ4/3 and on everything else with smaller sensors down to your cell phone, but that’s not the kind of photography I love…
APS Check
Fast f2 check
sharp check
pancake check!
http://www.photozone.de/pentax/534-samsung30f2
a sony version would only need to be about 7mm longer.
an 18mm or 20mm pancake lens is also a likely candidate as the flange distance for nex is 18mm giving a perfect match.
your 1st argument is wrong. (APS-C does not allow… pancakes)
what is true is short flange does not allow for longer pancakes, such as the pentax 40mm or nikon 45mm. But they can still be built for mirrorless by just extending the lens barrel by the difference in flange length. (a 45mm nikon tessar would be 45.5mm long(that lens could even be collapsible but sony has shown no will to do that yet)) in that case you would be right Nex flange will not let a longer mm lens to be built in a pancake form (but that holds true for m43 also.)
A samsung nx 30/2 panckae to Sony nex adapter could be great, if Sony are such dumbasses that they can’t release such lens on their own…
Okay, ItsaChris your review is a good argument for the excellent Samsung NX 30mm f/2, that’s similar priced as SONY’s SEL16F28 pancake and making me wonder why SONY did not sell me that quality. So there’s obviously still a lot of room for improvement. I never denied that.
But creating lenses isn’t all about distances from the sensor, so larger sensors with their need of bigger image circles will always multiply the problems with vignetting and corner sharpness. Therefore nobody should expect these small μ4/3 pancakes for NEX from SONY or from anybody else. They’ll never come.
@NEXfive
Sometimes it’s just best to admit you were wrong and move on.
“Therefore nobody should expect these small μ4/3 pancakes for NEX from SONY or from anybody else. They’ll never come.”
Really? Let’s see, Pentax has a full frame SLR 43mm f/1.9 that is smaller then the Zeiss 24mm; and for APS-C they have a micro sized 40mm/2.8, a 21mm/3.2, 70mm/2.4, 15mm/4, 35mm/2.8, and a 35mm/2.5 all of which look smaller than the Zeiss 24mm/1.8.
Given, at f/1.8 the Zeiss 24mm is faster than those lenses but I think Sony should worry about making a less expensive compact standard prime (a small $500 28mm f/2 gets my vote) before making a large honking spare no expense prime.
Good luck, Eric, pressing those not extremely thin pancakes for DSLR into E-Mount pancakes without the distance of a mirror between the lens and the sensor. Samsung’s NX 30mm f/2 EVIL pancake made a point against SONY’s SEL30M35, but not your suggestions, which are quite slow anyway. It’s not that I won’t be interested in pancakes for NEX, but I simply don’t believe they’ll come, since there is a bulkier glass construction needed to serve an APS-C image circle than a μ4/3 one, especially for really fast and telephoto lenses.
Stop compare to the Fuji X100, it does not make sense at all. Except for your advertisers
Admin: any news on the auto-focus of the A77? Is there (optional) contrast-detection AF? How’s the micro-adjustment?
The new NEX7 looks a bit bigger than the NEX5 and a better fit in the hand for serious work and street photography.
add a A-mount Adaptor for my ZA 85/f1.4 and it could replace the Canon G12 I keep in my bag for times I don’t want to bring on the big stuff.
Is the NEX7 bigger than the NEX5 or is it just the picture?
disappointed in the 24mm (even if its a great lens) it looks to be larger than the kit zoom lens, and the new VF does not work on older NEX camera :(.
NEX-7 looks very nice. I think it is going to be just what people asked for but we will need to wait and see.
I desperately need to see the 50mm lens, if it is not close in length to the new m43 45mm I will be wanting to return my brand new NEX-5. the 24mm does have me worried but I have a very small wish list (sharp small primes 10-14, 22-30, 46-66) if just one lens is filled I will be very excited (but for a time I thought I was going to get 2).
Sony 50mm f/1.8 OSS!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets see how Sony carefully cripples the video functions of the A77. Sony is the best at creating segmentation’s in their products. Here is a common list.
1.) limit video recording times! (design sensor to overheat at 20 min.)
2.) No 24P
3.) No peaking or Zebras
4.) Bury easy manual functions deep in menus and sub menus.
5.) Severely limit manual audio control.
6.) Disable live HDMI output when screen is being used.
7.) Force HDMI output to carry display info data. (so it cant be used with an external recorder)
8.) Limit HDMI to 8bit 4:2:0
The A77 and the NEX VG20 will be in direct competition with each other. The VG20 will also compete directly with a $5000 PRO FS100 camera. So,..they must kill features (dumb it down) on the VG20 to protect FS100 sales.
It’s a sad thing that Sony does to it’s consumers. They killed a good VG10 by not allowing it to have peaking or ANY focus help. (Sony politics)
CT
“The A77 and the NEX VG20 will be in direct competition with each other. The VG20 will also compete directly with a $5000 PRO FS100 camera.” – Truly brilliant in-depth market knowledge.
Thanks for the laugh though 🙂
Cliff,
I totally agree with you.
I hate it when a camera is physically capable of things, but is deliberately crippled, just so they can sell you a model with those capabilities for a higher price.
That’s why folks started the CHDK for Canon cameras, and that’s why a few folks hacked the Panasonic GH2 camera. Because they know the camera can do much better than the manufacturer made it for retail.
“The A77 and the NEX VG20 will be in direct competition with each other. The VG20 will also compete directly with a $5000 PRO FS100 camera.” –
“Truly brilliant in-depth market knowledge.”
Nothing brilliant or “in-depth” about it at all. It’s very simple and well known. Sony consumer and Sony Pro have issues between each other. Consumer wants to add features to compete with Canon/Panasonic in their arena. Sony Pro holds them back as to not let consumer cannibalize Pro sales. This is done by careful approval of feature sets to create “separation” between models.
Example: In the past, true 24p was generally not allowed to exist on Sony “consumer” models. 24p was considered a “Pro only” mode. XLR inputs and manual audio level control are still not allowed on “Handycam” models today. (this is old school stuff)
I could give 10 more examples but I think we all understand. I have spent quite a bit a time discussing this issue with several Sony employees at NAB and InfoComm this year.
In Sony’s defense, the have to do this. They have a product that sits at every hundered dollar price point. (figuratively speaking) They have ALLOT of imaging products to juggle with each one having it’s own P&L sales figures. Because of this, Sony MUST carefully allow /deny features.
It just makes it very frustrating for the consumers. (i.e. NEX5 and CX700 allowed to have peaking but more expensive $2000 VG10…no peaking allowed because those cameras don’t affect FS100 sales like the VG10 potentially can)
Cliff
The reason cameras only go to 29 mins is taxes! They would would then be called a camcorder and pay higher taxes
It’s not only a huge rumor, it’s even a huge lens.
Is this even a compact system?
In a country with taxes or in a country with no taxes. The bottom line is that Sony wants it there to separations in their products.
Does your Sony manual explain why there is a time limit?
If Sony wanted, they could easily market the same camera with a taxes-paid model with a simple firmware lifts the limit. Example…A77(L) with firmware block on video recording time and an A77(X)model for 25 dollars more with limit removed.
Same hardware manufacturing costs with a fast firmware tweak…and it would only need to be done in the few markets that do have extra taxes.
The limitations exist for a much larger reason than taxes.
CT
Only one new lens for the alpha mount?? Come on Sony!!
Yea, where are the alpha lenses?
It’s said that few lenses gonna be released this year for the A-mount, including FF Zeisses. So hopes I still high…. it’d be a great disappointment if Sony would give us only one lens this year after also disappointing 2010. But I doubt. We still have 4 months till end of the year….
I SOOOOO want the NEX-7! Any idea of a rumored launch date?
I’m very happy the 16-50mm is SSM. I’ll have to pick on these up. It’s about time Sony put one out.
Ho Ho Ho…… 😀
today 3rd August, 20 days to go orange77 announcement!!!
today 3rd August, 20 days to go orange77 announcement!!!
today 3rd August, 20 days to go orange77 announcement!!!
600D 50mm f1.8 II for sale 😀
Don’t. Just… don’t do this again.
;]
He’s waiting for us to crack.
Sony, do hear our outcry and prayer:
– A small standard pancake around 25mm with F2
– Correct the distortion and chromatic aberration in your JPEG
Then, you will be the winner!
I’ll be buying the NEX-7 if it isn’t stupidly expensive. I agree with all the comments about needing a nice, sharp, fast native pancake lens. Hope this camera comes out before early October…
I hope the price wont be stupid expensive either! LOL Yeah I really like the look of the nex 7, I hope that sony does come out with more compact primes, but the zeiss seems manageable…I can handle my 580 easy, so long as it doesnt get heavier than that I dont think I will have a problem with the size…What I really hope for is a near silent shutter,So I can ninja around. I actually wouldnt mind lenses that are the same size as the easy choice lenses for the a mount, but with maybe a better build quality.
I think the new A77 and NEX-7 are seriously going to need SDXC cards like this one here: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/764373-REG/Delkin_Devices_DDSDELITE633_16GB_16GB_Elite_Class_10.html#Specification
as I have said before I am still hoping for SDXC UHS-II compatability. That would allow double those speeds straight away and double again later. with capacity og upto 2TB.
However I am begining to boubt this will happen as I have ask repetadly if Admin would check the posibility out and not even had reply they will ask. So it is only me even thinking about the posibility.
maybe sony’s gonna release memory sticks that would beat the CF’s?
the card above already does.(all round) CF has reached its limmit and its replacment is a while of.
I don’t think the 24mm is as huge as people are making it out to be…. wait for the real dimension/weight specs to come out… or atleast a side shot of the lens with camera.
As for me… I want quality more than size… nex system allows me to carry my lenses only according to different photographic needs… and keep the camera body in my pocket…. I think that has been the idea ever since it’s been released… anybody remembers the ‘card & barrel’ analogy given by the sony officials when nex was announced? …so i never expected all nex lenses to be pancakes really.
I’m with you.
NEX 7 has 24MP sensor a high quality lens is mandatory! Quality goes over size!
Don’t compare the lense to X100 this lens deals with sensor with microlenses exactly corrected for the one lens. NEX lenses must generate light falling with a smaller angle on the sensors surface.