UPDATE: Announced!
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Sony A77 body in USA at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Sony Store (Click here) and BHphoto (Click here).
Sony A77 with 16-50mm lens at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Sony Store (Click here) and BHphoto (Click here).
Sony A77 body in Europe at Sony Germany, Sony UK, Sony France, Sony IT, ES, NL, BE, AT, CH, PT, NO, SE, FI.
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These are the Sony A77MII A-mount camera specs I got from a trusted source. Notice he said “A77MII” while another source called it “A77II” (without the “M”):
new Sensor
79 af points, 15 cross points
very Fast Tracking performance
12fps up to 60 Frames/ 25 frames RAW & JPG, RAW 26 frames
Low light AF, f/2.8 vertical line sensor, new algorithm
From previous rumors I got the sensor should likely have 24MP just like the predecessor (but with new design). And we know the camera has been trimmed for speed (super fast AF, no EVF lag and so on) and has built-in WiFi.
In summary this is what Sony could launch on May 1 10am (London time):
Sony A77II: An “upgraded” version of the current A-mount A77. With new 24MP sensor and Wifi, faster Af and EVF.
Sony RX100M3: Features an amazing 24-70mm f/1.8-2.8 lens and a pop-up viewfinder
Sony A7s: pricing.
Two lenses: Likely two new FE Zeiss?
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with or without Translucent Mirror ???
SLT
Will it be this new SLT with less light loss? (20% instead of 30%)?
Image is everything. if 20-50% less light so much worse picture.
Good to know! Care to share an example?
It isn’t 20-50% less light. It is between a third and half STOP, not the same thing at all!
definitely, if SLT is me finally say goodbye to sony, it is clear that the mirror causes loss of light and sharpness. . . . . .Ciao Nikon
Yeah you tell ’em. Just don’t expect more than a 6 frame buffer and mediocre AF with your amazing new Nikon D7100 that will be 1/3 stop better than the Sony. Kiss goodbye usable live view, articulated display, IBIS and all the rest. Enjoy! The grass is always always greener.
LOL
Even taking into account the great finds of sony, i not understand how they can continue using a technology (SLT) has been a failure especially after knowing the performance of sony a6000 / a7 / A7R ……. a77 would be much better without traslucent mirror ??? yess
The A6000 AF performance is still poor in low-light. That’s why you need a dedicated PDAF module and mirror. People saying that SLT is a failure are clueless noobs.
DSLT won’t be better, at least A99 aren’t
You are missing the point about what “better” means. It means more than a small loss of light, there is more to a camera than that.
if I’m not mistaken, the sony a6000 maintained low iso at 1350 approx….
You should be talking in EV terms. The A6000 AF performance is poor in low-light compared to a dedicated PDAF sensor and for that you need SLT and on a dSLR you need an ancient flappy mirror mechanism that goes clunk and shakes the camera when it moves.
Saying SLT is a failure is just showing ignorance of how AF works.
SLT has been the best tech Sony has put out there so far, what are you talking about?
and welcome nice pictures of a lot better algorithms Nikon
Who the heck takes pictures of algorithms?
You forgot usable AF in Video.
Um you do realise you’re trading it for mirror slap, don’t you?
If you replace your crappy 18-55mm with a f2.8 zoom then your light loss worries are moot. The mirror causing loss of sharpness is rubbish, you’ll be perfectly happy slapping on a cheap UV filter on your Nikon glass like the noob you are though.
I get tack sharp images on my A77, but then I know how to use it.
Flip-able??
The 2014 A-mount line-up were said to be mirrorless with amazing on-sensor PDAF, and A58 would be the last SLT. What made Sony change their plans? Problems with the OSPDAF technology?
I believe there was confusion with what the sources the saying. I think the A7(R) was mistaken for an A-mount camera.
>79 af points, 15 cross points
79 points are likely OSPDAF, so 15 PDAF cross points. Still less than the 2009 Canon 7D, which has 19, but probably enough.
> f/2.8 vertical line sensor
Long overdue… good to have.
>Two lenses: Likely two new FE Zeiss?
Hopefully not. We need Alpha lenses, not more FE crap.
I hope for A99-II they will develop a separate dedicated PDAF module, not just import the same from A77-II as they did with first generation. APS-C AF module is too small in FF.
Funny guy you. We are many who cannot wait for FE lens announcements and Sony must act fast in order to capture both high end mirror less customers who may go Fuji or DSLR Canikon customers. I don’t think A-mount cameras can lure many Canikon people away unless they get rid of that pellicle mirror stealing 1/3 stop of light. Whereas the E-mount cameras with rapidly improving AF systems can change the whole game.
Sony must act fast first and foremost to ensure that they don’t lose their entire Alpha user base to Nikon. They need to make a firm commitment to A-Mount in the form of a roadmap and a few compelling FF releases.
E-Mount is a whole different user base.
Cool, where is Nikon’s roadmap? Where is the D400? Why are Nikon leaving their DX customers in the dark? Why did they bring out average D7100? Why did they update their firmware to stop support of third party lenses and batteries? I mean, yeah, they are like totally great and stuff, like… totally.
Nikon guys have zero concerns that, say, tomorrow Nikon will abandon F mount and concentrate on Nikon 1 series.
In Sony camp, people are selling their whole carefully assembled gear sets because of the uncertainty around A-Mount.
So Canikon can bide their time, while for Sony the clock is ticking fast. Each new FE release makes their long-term commitment to A-Mount more doubtful.
This. It’s what people still fail to understand when comparing Sony’s lack of “road mapping” to Canon’s and Nikon’s lack of road mapping. Sony aren’t CaNikon, Sony have to do BETTER than them, they have to show that they are committed to A-mount, there is absolutely no doubt about CaNikon’s commitment to their systems.
RIght on!
Bingo!
More uninformed comments about lenses. Full frame E-mount has 5 lenses that cover 24-200mm at f/4 with a couple of faster primes, A mount covers a large range with nearly 20 lenses. I think more FE glass is a priority. It may not be what you want but posting the same crap about “WE” need A-mount not FE lenses in every thread is getting old.
FE user base isn’t going anywhere. A7X have no competition at all. There’re simply NO other mirrorless FF cameras (if you don’t count Leica).
Meanwhile, Sony risks losing millions of loyal A-Mount users. So, priorities.
So where are all the whiners and cry babies who just looooove to moan and groan about A mount being long dead and how A77MII is DEFINITELY going to be E-mount, etc.? Let’s see how many retards are going to tell us about how terrible this camera is before ever comes out. 3…2…1… GO!
You just invited them!
More interesting than the buffer size and the count of JPG/Raws in a sequence for me would be how long it takes to save the data from the buffer to the card(s)…
The A77/65 at the moment seems to make a coffee break after a burst – and that’s my biggest problem with them: during a concert I shoot small bursts (5 to 8 pics) but after such a burst the camera is nearly “dead” for much too long time…
There’re ultrafast UHS-II cards out now, they can be a solution to this issue.
Or a Memory Stick PRO-HG Duo.
No, they won’t be as long as your camera doesn’t fully support the new standard (the A6000 doesnt). Otherwise you’ll just waste lots of money on fast cards that operate just like some other random normal card.
no, even UHS-1 cards aren’t noticeable faster in an A65/A77…
Last summer I could test those ultra fast SD cards from Sandisk with 95 MB/s write speed: no acceleration to “normal” speed class 10 cards because the interface in the camera is slow. But with my EyeFi Pro card or some cheap no-name cards the cards are the limit not the interface…
BTW: I heard from some 5D Mk III owners that they use CF cards and not the much cheaper and easier to handle SD cards because the SD interface in the Mk III is speed limited to 20 MB/s…. So it’s not only Sony making peculiar design decisions….
Thank you. I was going to buy an UHS card. You saved me some $
That’s probably more of a result of the UHS II cards being a new standard which isn’t yet supported and wasn’t written into the original firmware.
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If I recall correctly at 12fps my A77 empties the full RAW buffer in 6 seconds….
Looking for video specs, please. I guess no 4K (as it’s a small update), but hoping for full sensor read-out and maybe XAVC-S codec @50Mbps….
Hoping for slow motion (with lower resolution if needed) rather than 4k.
A must buy if it has XAVC-S codec
If I recall correctly at 12fps my A77 empties the full RAW buffer in 6 seconds.
and that’s quite long during a rock concert…
I hope the Mk II will do it much quicker…
Well yes of course we all do.
Great stuff. Could be a killer sports camera! Looking forward to hear how it tracks….
New FE lenses…Now where is my credit card…
If the rumor about the RX100M3 is true (I’m sceptical) then I might buy it to replace my A700 DSLR. Srsly. It has virtually the same light-gathering and DoF as my A700+CZ16-80 combo. So if the lens and sensor are as good as my RX100M1, I’m throwing out the bulky DSLR kit.
Count me in! Any confirmation on whether the lcd is fully articulated or re af micro-adjustment? Also any idea whether ospdaf still needs firmware level support? It would be a killer with my sigma 35/1.4…
79 points?
Is that including OS AF or not? The A99 has 102 of them, the A6000 has 179 that cover most of the frame.
The D7100 has 51 AF points. If the A77II has 79 points of which 15 are cross PLUS OS AF points like the A99, then I’ll be impressed and they can take my credit card details right now. 😉
Nikon makes nice pictures slt not.
Photographers make nice pictures, not brands.
But only with the best of the best cameras. If your camera isn’t revolutionary and new, your pictures are dull and boring. This is a fact I’ve picked up from reading SAR.
It’s not the number of AF points that matters but their location. I could perfectly live with 9 AF points provided they would be as sensitive as the center one on A99 and spread wide across the whole frame area (wider than on current A99, ideally in the places where outer AF point appear in APS-C crop mode)
Maybe not to you, but it does to me.
Most likely the 79 points will be clustered in the middle of the frame , or only available as in A99. It would be killer to have all 79 points for any lens, Sony or not, and covering about 80% of the frame, but…! keep dreaming folks!
AF points are clustered in the middle of the frame because they get less accurate towards the edges. Sony’s mistake is that they haven’t got the balance between point placement and accuracy right, for me there needs to be more across the horizontal part of the frame.
Nice specs. I bet that after the launch Canon and Nikon will consider very seriously to release the perenial rumored 7D mk II and D400 🙂
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Well, Admin has brought us a-mount fans some very good news! The a77ii isn’t the most boring upgrade in the history of Sony/Minolta after all. It’s just the 2nd most boring after the a3500. Nothing to see here. Move along. ;^)
Really, most boring in history? More so than, say, a300 to a350 update? Trolls gonna troll.
So you’re telling me this dud is only the 3rd worst? I stand corrected. ;^)
The A300 and the A350 came out at the same time. The A350 was simply a higher model than the A300, not an update.
The A230, A330 and the A380 were the successors – however in a wrong direction…
Looks like a pretty significant update to me.
You apparently had the camera already hands-on? Can you give us a short review than?
Still it has no chance against the Canon EOS 650 to 700 update – not even close ;)…
I still think for those people who hated the small buffer in the A77 for example, this is a good evolution. Sure it is no revolution but hey, Sony is one of the only companies right now in the photo industry who does LOTS of revolutions each year, while Nikon and Canon didn’t do anything revolutionary since at least 5 years ;)…
Now you’re talking .. Need to see those RAW files for ISO test before I can decide .. Until now it’s too good to be true for me
I like it
Take some NEX-7 samples and compare to a6000, that’s the difference you will see between A77 and A77 II.
You are right .. But don’t you think there might be any difference in processing images in camera ?
There may or may not be, this will be Bionz X, so processing will be based on that (so similar to other Bionz X cameras).
I will check them out .. Thanks
Be sure to bring your microscope comparing the a6000 to the a65. ;^)
Get a full time job
I didn’t realize I didn’t have one. What the heck, it matters to SAR? ;^)
To me it’s the high ISO performance that is the key to succes, if no better than the old A77 which was not good enough for many people, than no thank you Sony.
The only “many people” I hear complaining about the A77 ISO are those taking pictures of their cat in the dark on forums for bragging rights. I love ISO 50 on my A77.
A77 and A65 share the same sensor, and my A65’s ISO performance really leaves much to be desired. ISO800 is already bad, and ISO1600 is outright horrible. That makes A65 close to useless indoors without a flash and not so good with fast shutter speeds outdoors.
Rubbish, if you can’t get good ISO1600 shots then you are doing something badly wrong in LR.
Sony played the same game with the a6000. It got an 24mp ‘upgrade’. With all the e-mount fanboys gushing over it as the best thing since sliced bread, I compared it to my a65 pixel peeping and there is no difference between my 3-year-old 24mp. Seriously.
I get refreshes. However, if Sony is going to play the refresh game they need to churn their consumer-grade bodies as rapidly as Canikon does then. Waiting 3 years for Sony to add WI-FI and bring some performance specs up to the budget a6000 ain’t going to cut it in an alleged ‘pro’ line.
Yeah well what YOU see and what really exists are often 2 very VERY different things. There is a HUGE difference between the a6000 and a65 to me and to those that have tested them…. But keep telling yourself there isn’t as it makes it easier not to upgrade (which is fine if you are happy with your a65). Not sure what people expect, but there CANNOT be that much difference between sensors of the same size, it is just not going to make ‘that’ much of a difference. You have to go up in size to make a huge difference.
But the 24MP in the a6000 is quite a substantial improvement over the NEX-7, with the NEX-7 being a bit better than a65 (due to no SLT mirror).
“There is a HUGE difference between the a6000 and a65 to me…”
As a global statement that’s true. Just comparing size. ;^)
However, my point was IQ. I did pixel peeping up to ISO 3200 and you can thump your chest all you want but to the degree there’s the most subtle of differences in 100% crops I never saw a case where it favored the a6000. Since I think the a65 is unacceptable at 3200 there is no reason to go further. Given the a65 has IBIS which I’ve found to be pretty darn good, the a65 is going to generally have better low-light capability for my purposes than the a6000. Yeah, I get you can buy some e-mounts lenses with OSS.
My whine over the a77II is pretty much the same. Certainly, the a77 has more features than my a65. Certainly, the a77II adds some nice to have features like WI-FI above that. But call me unreasonable, I put heavy emphasis in IQ. The a77II in that regard is lining up to be a replay of a bad movie.
All this would be fine if Sony’s a-mount minor refresh rate was like Canikons in the consumer range and I could expect bodies to churn more quickly than once every 3 years.
Well, I wouldn’t get an a6000 because I’m not interested in a compact body. I don’t like how they handle. IQ-wise I don’t see an a6000 as an upgrade. Does it have some cool features lacking in my aging a65? Certainly. To that extent, the a77II appears to be a refresh to bring its specs to parity to the a6000. For some on SAR, that may be good enough for an upgrade. Would I like to have WI-FI, faster AF, etc.? Sure. Am I willing to upgrade to an a77II without a noticeable IQ bump? Nope.
Could you show this “huge difference ” using any of the RAW test files from the various sites. Looking at the respective RAW files the differences are at best minimal
I don’t think that the A77 line can be called pro. If you look strictly to A-mount yes, Sony is slow in launching new camera’s, but you mention the A6000. I think that not many companies can keep up with Sony’s speed of development if you look at the camera’s they introduced in the last year. A7 line, RX1, RX10, RX100, A6000, each of them are getting very good reviews. Even Sony does not have unlimited development sources I suppose, so they have to make choices. Canon and Nikon are not exactly companies that are on the for front of new technology, Nikon even needs to buy Sony’s sensor for their D800 camera’s. I think that companies like Panasonic/Fuji/Olympus deserve a lot more credit regarding development than Canikon.
Yawn…Hate feeding trolls but here goes…
As you can see these camera sensors are not even close…Anything else??
as the difference between a200 and a580
Yeah, there are people who love DXO and some who hate it. Me? I check it out but I tend to pixel peek lots of images to form my won opinion.
Based on DXO, general gushing, and conventional wisdom that a sensor ‘upgrade’ by default means better IQ, I seriously expected the a6000 to crush my out-of-date, 3-year-old a65. But when I pixel peeped 100% on review sites I was absolutely shocked any differences are so subtle as to be insignificant and don’t favor the a6000.
This isn’t me being a loyal a65 fanboy. Heck, I’m looking for an IQ bump after all. I want the a77II to have a noticeable bump in IQ and high ISO. If it did I’d buy one in a heartbeat. But based upon the a6000 24mp sensor, I don’t expect any.
weź nex7 taki sam stary a też lepszy 😀
I do not have a dog in the race not owning either camera. Looking at the RAW files for each camera from the various test sites there are at best minimal differences { I downloaded files up to 3200ISO}. Nowhere in the ISO range is there anywhere near the 1 stop difference the DXO numbers would suggest. What little difference there is could be simply down to processing.
Below is a straight comparison between the A65 & A6000 both files 1600ISO RAW , opened at defaults in ACR , shadows pushed to max to demonstrate shadow noise .
Not FF?
Its to soon. I would expect that upgrade cycle to be every 2.5-3.5 years, no way will it be 18 months or so.
Who cares about all the specs and the bells and whistles. If it’s still APS-C with 24MP it’s just another flop. I waited years to upgrade my Sony A700 and when the A77 landed, it was a giant flop. Worthless for event/high ISO shooters. The A7s is still at the top of my list until Sony makes a dSLR worth buying. A follow up to the A99 with fewer pixels, like say 16 would do it.
Haha so you are still shooting an A700 and you think the A77 and A77 MkII are ‘not good enough’… Obviously never used them and / or making excuses why you can’t afford to upgrade. What a joke. A77 is a very capable camera, this will be a significant improvement again.
“This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill – the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill – you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.” – Morpheus
So you took the blue pill? ;^)
Uh? What?
So you do live in an imaginary world…..
Actually, I chose the red pill. ;^)
Mr. Fargis, your rants make it seem like you must have taken some bizarre pill indeed.
So you know how much I make? Read all the comments here. Everyone knows that the Sony A77 sucks at ISO 800 and above. I don’t need to own the A77, I have A77 RAW files on my computer from base to 6400, that’s all I needed to see. I now shoot with my old A700 and Sigma 50mm 1.4 to keep that ISO down, and also use my Fuji X100 most of the time that has an image sensor that destroys the 24MP A77 sensor. It’s sad that you keep defending the A77. Sure it’s great for many things, but if the files are so dirty for event and wedding shooters, and even for sports/night games what good is it? Let’s hope that Sony is using a lower pixel count sensor, or has made some kind of change like BSI, or anything else to get those high ISO files looking better. The image sensor in the A77 is garbage. If the image sensor gets little or no upgrade, it’s just proof Sony is ready to move away from the A mount. I’m buying the A7s when it comes out unless a new and decent a mount comes along.
“I now shoot with my old A700 and Sigma 50mm 1.4 to keep that ISO down”
Take those 24mpix A77 RAW files and downsize them to 12mpix, without a magnifying glass you’ll see ZERO difference. As an ex-A700 I know. Anybody saying the A77 “sucks” past ISO800 is a noob that doesn’t know how to process high ISO files.
You can take A77 files and downsize them to 16mpix and you’ll get the same image as you would from the A55.
Your X100 AF performance is crap and falls apart in low-light compared to the A77, so I have no idea why you would bother mentioning it for high ISO shooting as in the dark it is pointless trying to track people with it.
I get great results up to ISO 1600
Sad. I have owned the A700, a77, X100, X-E1, A850, A7, 6D plus a bunch of m43’s and other NEX (5, 5n), EOS-M and 550D’s in the last couple years. Just about everything you said is plain wrong.
The X100 doesn’t come close to ‘destroying’ the a77. Not close. I have shot them side by side at weddings, bands and events and the difference is negligible, when the X100 could focus. Though the a77 is sharper, the X100 lens wide open isn’t great.
A77 in low light is better than my A850 and that DOES destroy the A700. And I guess you are aware you can use fast lenses on the A77 as well right, ‘to keep ISO down’ as you say?
I find it hard to believe that the only logical leap for you is from A700 to A7S, but I must admit the A7S is a very appealing camera, I will be getting one and that is for certain. But we are talking a massive difference to an A700 here, just massive. My 6D was cleaner and more usable at ISO 6400 than my A700 at ISO 800, I expect the A7S to be better again, so that’s nearly 4 stops better. A77 is a good stop better than the A700, but more so than that in actually retaining some colour detail, which is FAR better on the A77.
A77 MkII will be a bit better again and from what I have seen from the a6000 is quite a bit cleaner on a pixel level (which should keep peepers happy). In fact the a6000 is currently about as good as crop sensors get. A77 II will lose a little to SLT, but it wont be a huge difference.
a6000 is a good 2 stops better than the a700.
Agree with you 100%!
The a77II is Sony at its laziest. Everyone is buzzing ‘death of the a-mount’ and rather than do something to dispel the myth they put out some half-hearted refresh in light of all the efforts and imagination they’re pumping into e-mounts, FEs to be specific (e-mount APS-C fans are starting to get the Sony cold shoulder too). So we’re going to end up with a self-fulfilling prophesy: Sony puts next to no effort into a-mounts and – surprise, surprise! – they don’t sell many confirming to Sony’s incompetent marketing department they aren’t worth keeping around.
When you’re #3 you need to try harder. Sony seems to think you try less.
Like refreshing their prosumer crop cameras with more incremental updates every two years rather than one bigger update ever 4-5 years? Yeah really sounds like A-Mount users are getting the finger! 😛 I mean Canon rolls out a new 7D every 6 months and I am sick to death of all the reviews on the D400, D400S, D500 etc that Nikon have been releasing over the last few years. Gosh, WAKE UP SONY, people want new cameras with new stuff in them, but don’t do it too soon, or wait too long… Don’t you know you are damned if you do, damned if you don’t? Geez learn something SONY for god sakes.
I believe Canon releases new cameras with the same basic sensor for the past 5 years. Then they released the 70D with a new sensor but with the same IQ as the older 18MP sensor. Sony has a lot more tech in them than the latest Canon crop bodies.
Are you joking? Bringing up the laziest company of them all, being Canon. Canon 7D was introduced in 2009, Canon 6D in 2012 & 5d mark iii early 2012. Get your fact straight friend. Canon hasn’t introduced any serious camera for almost 1 year, I always wonder in which color they will bring out the D100 in half years time, maybe purple this time?
He was sarcastic.
Yes, I was joking. It is apparent to me that many people on this site think that Canon and Nikon are AMAZBALLS and bring out all this cool stuff all the time, go to a Nikon site and read all the disappointment that they share, same with Canon… Grass always seems greener. I have shot them all, none are perfect.
Number 3 versus two companies with VERY entrenched consumers. Sony could make the best camera ever and it’s doubtful that many people would ditch Canon or Nikon in order to acquire it. It really doesn’t matter how they market their cameras when they’re up against decades of dedicated brand consciousness.
As for the refresh, what other APS-C cameras have anything more than 24MP? I really don’t get the complaining. It’s relatively clear that 24MP is the limit for APS-C right now, so Sony is focusing on improving the camera in other ways. I get that you guys were hoping for more MP and better everything, but perhaps those expectations were a little high, especially in a camera like the A77. While I’m sure it’s a great camera, it isn’t their top of the line overall, and it sits squarely in some very entrenched competition. This just comes off as whining for the sake of whining.
If it’s only 24mp it is a flop, so you will buy a camera with half the megapixels for double the price instead. Huh?
Are you hoping for a higher or lower resolution a77 successor?
Having owned both the A700 and the A77, the A77 does better than the A700 ever did at higher ISOs. Plus the lower base ISO of 100 with an expansion to 50 gave it an advantage the A700 couldn’t achieve.
Having said that, if you are concerned about high ISO to begin with, then your focus should be more on the full frame cameras. But if you are happy with your A700’s high ISO, the A77 performs better than it does.
This is NOT a significant update. A mount really is dead.
Before, I didn’t buy the ‘death of the a-mount’ clap-trap but I’m beginning to be a believer after Sony lays this a77II egg. Gee, just think. In another 3 years of waiting they might actually add a touch screen to the a77III… what a joke!
I guess the good news is cut-rate, dirt-cheap, make a new body mold and add some existing pieces from the parts bin approach to a-mount ‘development’ means that every 3 years Sony can keep assigning a summer engineering intern to keep it alive. The bad news is the a77II isn’t going to change any minds.
Yes, because a touch screen would make this camera KILLER… Without it it’s just crap 😛
Oh I do think know, it’s also just crying out for auto compose…
Sony is just buying time to placate the A mount users into thinking its still alive. They put out all the great innovation in the A7X e-mounts and hope they will buy into this FF system and just get their adapter to migrate your A-mount lenses. I mean that’s why they bundled these for Free in Australia. Yeah re part bins approach: Look at what Leica did. Leica T — I though the ‘T’ was for Titanium. Instead we get aluminium. They melted some coke cans and mill it out and stick recycled X Vario parts and lens elements because the X Vario didn’t sell. The sensor is like 3+ years old, they must have got them off Sony for next to nothing, then try to charge you $1,850 for this piece of crap.
That is an unfair comparison. Leica’s are for people that have Ferrari money, not Corvette.
So another a6000?
Pretty much with the added upgrades in materials and construction you get with the current a77. After all, it’s Sony’s ‘pro’ line. [stifles laughter]
Surprising how after such little effort, it would still be better than the Nikon & Canon offerings.
IMHO, the A77 had poor low light performance. It also had a poor buffer. Apart from those 2, it was perfect! With the A77II improving on those 2 aspects, nothing else comes close…
Why should there always be significant updates? Come on, Sony is one of the companies doing significant innovations nearly all the time, so here a pure improvement is ok.
But not in a-mounts and if they’re going to go the churn refresh route they need to pick up the pace like the competition. ;^)
You mean the competition that is just as guilty, if not worse, on doing mild refreshes of their cameras for several years?
Canon 7D (released 2009) doesn’t have a replacement yet and the Canon 60D (released 2010) was uses the same sensor and only just now got replaced by the 70D. Canon continued to use the same sensor in the in the Rebel line from the T2i all the way up to the T4i as well as the EOS M series.
So the same sensor and not much new in tech over a period of 5 years. And their latest sensor isn’t that much better than their previous generation’s.
Nikon, while not as bad as Canon, does the same thing with frequent refreshes of their lower end cameras. Their sensors generation leaps are limited by their suppliers, Sony and Toshiba, and thus hasn’t advanced any further than Sony.
Meanwhile, while Sony may not be as quick to introduce mild refreshes, their current cameras still contain features that many of the competitions do no have or require separate accessories to accomplish the same tasking.
So again, tell me how Sony needs to pick up the pace?
Because every new camera Sony puts out must be a completely revolutionary product, or everyone here will never shut up about how much of a disappointment it is.
A refresh is never going to be enough for many people, especially those who spend their entire day on SAR.
Bring on the RX200, RX300 or RX100 Mark III or whatever it’ll be called. This little jewel of optical engineering will most likely become one of my (new) darlings.
Here, here, the RX100 MK3 if its all true with faster lens at long end AND excellent quality pop-up EVF whilst retaining the same size as MK2 will be a great compact camera. Can’t wait to see the RX2 — with built in EVF or pop-up EVF, f1.4 lens? Yeah — bring it. And the MF camera, — yipes, my piggy bank is squealing!
As an A77 owner, the Mk11 doesn’t offer me enough to tempt me to upgrade. I’ll likely skip this model and wait.
This.
I bought a used a99, with 300 shots on it, while I wait for the a99 II. I was going to go FF this year anyway and I don’t see an a99 II coming this year at Photokina.
It’s not due until fall 2015 based on the time between a900 & a99 (and expected release of stacked CMOS sensors).
Just based on what I have seen the a99 will be better than this new a77.
Well, this is where I get nervous. When I first got the bug to upgrade my a65 last year and started researching this on SAR, I was really encouraged by the a-mount rumors. I was particularly intrigued by the FF rumors but the a77II looked tempting too. However, the rumors scaled back (including alleged bodies getting dropped) and the a77II has panned out to be far, far short of any expectation. It’s a complete disappointment. So I’m taking all the FF rumors – most of which are way distant in the SAR rearview mirror – with a grain of salt.
All the ‘Year of the A-Mount’ stuff is obvious bs. The a-mount being the ‘pro’ line is panning out to be bs. The real pro line is the a7x. Any cutting-edge new sensor will show up there first. The a-mount, to the degree Sony plans to keep it on life support, likely will be updates out of the parts bin.
When did Sony ever say that 2014 is the year of a-mount? I’ve only ever heard critics on here using it cynically.
It was an SR5 rumor here on SAR, that 2014 would be the Year of the A-Mount
(SR5) year of death A-Mount! 100%!
Decade of poor grammar
Well the admin has gotten rumors wrong before and the “year of something” is a pretty subjective rumor anyway. Based on the Sony release schedule next year should see the most action since 2012.
Hence my disappointment which has SAR readers like Gav’s panties all in a wad to the extent they’re call me a liar by mentioning them. ;^)
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So you’re telling me the rumors I’ve picked up on SAR are lies? ;^)
Here, also. Am looking at the A7 – but still no news whether there weill be another FF FE mount later in the year.
Me too, and I’m happy with it. No need to spend money on another gadget because Sony makes me feel old. Probably, I’ll wait for a 1,5K FF as a replacement anyways. I’m only disappointed that Sony didn’t fix that awful JPEG engine. It would be sooo easy done and would help so much.
If the WiFi enables me to transfer images directly to a computer without having to plugin/extract SD card then colour me excited!
Better still if it is via standard FTP and not needing some bespoke Sony software one the PC.
Standard FTP would be fantastic, unfortunately the software implementation on the rx100-2 and a7r does not allow for it so I think it is doubtful. Sony is way behind on the software equation of camera wifi. FTP & one click transferring (as on Canon) would make it vastly more useable.
It seems so many manufacturers want to reinvent the wheel to keep consumer lock in. Personally it has the opposite effect.
Last time I upgraded firmware in my camera (A77) I had to use a windows machine (which I don’t have at home) to do it because of that lock in. Whereas on the A100 I just had to copy a file to the SD card. Such is progress 🙁
It’s pretty silly that cameras require a media card but you can’t simply update the firmware using that card. You should be able to use any OS to download and copy the file to the card and then boot the camera from the card, it would save manufacturers having to support both Windwos and OSX and allow Linux etc., users to update their cameras too.
Unfortunately the wireless technology is not available to transfer meaningful quantities of data to make it that useful. Perhaps transfer the odd image or small jpegs but certainly not a RAW tethering solution at the moment….Hopefully one day though
Perhaps not RAW, but jpeg should be workable with n or ac spec WiFi.
I’m not sure how many WiFi adaptors are available at the computer end as yet though…
Fingers crossed for the future!
You could get an Eye-fi SD card right now. Its works good with my NEX 7 and can even transfer RAW to my computer.
i was looking at those cards, but having it built in would be my preference.
Yes, the Wi-Fi feature is nice. I compared it to an Eye-Fi card upload using an A7r 36Mp RAW file. Both the Eye-Fi and then the Sony WiFi took 30 seconds to send the file over to the computer. The nice thing I have found is that the Sony WiFi will send all of the movies and images over and then shutdown the camera – whereas I’ve seen the EyeFi get shut off by the camera going to sleep. So the Sony’s seem to be better at upload and forget it (at least for me). This goes for the WiFi on the RX10 as well.
26fps (RAW) sounds impressive! How compressed those RAW files will be, we will know soon.
It does not say 26FPS, it says 12 FPS up to a total of 26 frames! 😉
Ah, interesting! Even 12pfs is impressive and remains to be seen how compressed they will be. 🙂
Uncompressed. The A77-II most likely just has a bigger buffer to store more pictures until it has to write it to your card.
Sony RAW files are compressed now.
What I am hoping for. 🙂
Still DSLT?
Yes, it has to have a mirror for those AF points to work!
Does this mean no on-sensor AF points in this camera? The only AF module will be in the sub-mirror housing?
That’s the question isn’t it. Does it have the hybrid AF type of the A99 or not. If not, then it will be a pity.
Ffs with all the crying crying. Go buy the 4 year old 7D or D7100 then if its all bad. I’ll rather buy a new one with a sensor thats up to date with IBIS (which you won’t find anywhere else). Plus, my lenses won’t cost several thousand bucks a piece with next to no compromise in iq with minolta lenses. Missing usm? I could not care less as long as the focus is accurate. My old 1Dx with a new L-lenses had a tendency to miss cluttered targets a lot more than a99 with equivalent minolta glass, I’ll take that trade any day. And that 1/3 of a stop light is absolutely meaningless, that coming from someone who shoots in extreme dark and extreme contrasts.
If the af is even remotely something as accurate as in a99 and sensor is as good as in a6000, its a deal for me.
When I bought my a65 about 3 years ago I recall comparing it to the Nikon d7000, not the d7100. According to Nikon Rumors the d7200 is coming out this summer. What I see is Nikon churning their consumer-grade bodies quicker than Sony. Plus, I don’t think Sony playing the boring, incremental refresh game to keep up with the Joneses is good enough when you’re such a sales laggard in the segment.
Why do you keep banging on about the A65…Yes it is a consumer camera you are absolutely correct…Perfect for your kids photos and pets…Big deal…Hardly the cutting edge of photography. So why do you have your knickers in a knot…? What do you want??…A gold merit badge for recognising that you buy the same camera as my Grandmother…??
As I’ve said many times before and you apparently missed, I’m looking to upgrade. And if the a65 is a piece of consumer-grade crap, as you suggest, it shares almost all the tech the current a77 has except, I think, slightly better AF so its IQ is only up to soccer mom standards, too, it seems. Plus, since you have reading comprehension problems, you’ve missed my many comments the a6000 24mp refresh was, IMHO, a bust and pixel peeping it’s no better than my, apparently crap IQ, a65. So my expectation is the a77II 24mp refresh is the replay of a bad movie.
The a65, NEX-7, a77, etc. were a good choice of IQ in their day. They hardly slaughtered the competition but that’s where the state-of-the-art was. Fast-forward 3 years and I’m looking for a bump in IQ – even if you don’t get better IQ, don’t care, or are just a Sony fanboy getting their panties all in a wad and a bit defensive. Previous rumors when I first joined SAR hinted that’s where Sony was going. Now, it’s obvious those rumors were either complete bs or Sony engineering gave up on alleged prototypes.
Well thing is champ, if the a6000 isn’t up to snuff for you then NO crop sensor camera will be, it’s at the top of the tree mate and all you are doing is looking for excuses not to buy. Name ONE thing that the Nikon’s are better at? I think people think they are going to get 4 stops improvement with every model release, ain’t going to happen, like EVER. The a6000 is about a 1/3rd stop improvement over NEX-7, this is about as good an improvement as you are likely to see between generations/models. So again, what the F are you expecting? Seriously? Stick with your cheapo a65, it clearly makes you happy.
If I’m talking about replacing my a65 how did you come up with the brilliant conclusion I’m happy with it, Sherlock?
I can hardly miss you painting the SAR walls brown…What you appear to have missed in your “down with Sony” tirade. Is that the consumer market cameras are simply that…consumer..They will not get the latest and greatest of anything from any manufacturer..So perhaps your being a bit…naive…? Yes naive is probably the most diplomatic…
We could go back and forwards regarding the improvements of the A6000 over the A65…But you seem to be vexed enough already
Enjoy the A77II release.
You claim repeatedly that I’m lying then quote me as saying “down with Sony”. Really? Find the quote, honest Abe!
Am I disappointed so many SAR rumors didn’t pan out? Certainly. Am I a harsh critic of Sony’s marketing of a-mounts? You bet. I wish I felt as confident of the future of a-mounts as Canikon owners are of their DSLRs. That’s not me being a Canikon fanboy because I don’t own any of their stuff. I’d also like to see some of the innovative talent Sony engineering has applied to compacts applied to a-mounts.
The a77II appears to me to be an a6000 wrapped in a better a77 body. Obviously that excites many on SAR. For me, it’s wait another 3 years or more for an a77III or think about something else. I really love my classic Minolta glass and would hate to dump it for something else. But as my detractors have pointed the a65 is a piece of crap only good for pictures of cats so it’s time to upgrade because I don’t own a cat. ;^)
Why would you compare the $800 A65 with a camera that costs $1200? A65 is properly matched with the older D7000, why complain?
D7000 takes 3 years to evolve to the D7100. D7200 this year would be retarded and will let Nikon waste the producting costs of the D7100.
Why musn’t it be incremental? Seriously, I think you’re gonna complain if this A77 Mk. II costs >$200.
Wow! My comment buzzed completely over your head. ;^)
I compared a lot of cameras before choosing the a65. Some a lot cheaper. Some a lot more expensive. Who cares? Really. The point was just to demonstrate Nikon has a quicker refresh rate than Sony in consumer-grade bodies.
Well I and 75% other consumer cares about pricing. If I were you then I’ll just get a Nikon D5300 without bashing the A77 Mk.II.
Whoah this was the most unpleasant comment reading of the week time…. Andrea, can you please create sonyalphawhining.com to keep this site clean, informative and constructive.
On topic, if these rumors are true, Sony is indeed keeping their promise of bringing out new tech only. This upgrade in AF tech may be major, if AF point location and tracking are indeed improved.
About resolution, there’s a lot of potential still hidden in the 24MP resolution, and it can’t see a reason to crank that up again. A lot of improvements can be made in sensor toppings and everybody knows technique is crucial for extracting all detail from these sensors. That resolution is still higher compared to the 36MP cameras everybody is talking about.
>sonyalphawhining.com
There’s already a site like this, it’s called Sony Alpha Rants, or SAR for short
Or, as an alternative, Admin can create sonydroolingfanboys.com where nothing but happy talk gushing over the brand is allowed. ;^)
Dude lighten up….I am sure your A65 is good for another 10 years…
Go pet your a65 and tell it everything is gonna be alright 😉
No, we just need an a65isthebesteverer.com and we’ll manage to keep the riff-raff out 😉
Yeah, all my comments that I want to upgrade it and you think I’m gushing how great it is? Really? ;^)
My point is the IQ of the refreshed a6000 sensor isn’t an improvement and I’m extrapolating the same for the a77II.
**dribble**
Sony has FAILED to give me MY 54 megapixel sensor as promised personally by its CEO in a definitely real and definitely NOT imagined or invented telephone conversation with me.
I will not buy a low resolution 24mp camera. It will not allow me to accurately paint the detailed genitalia of the North American dodo.
**dribble**
So sony ceo promised you a 54mp sensor in person in a future release of a77II? Are you completely retarded? Second of all, which lens gives you a resolution of over 30mp? OTUS doesn’t so you must have some new technology that rest of the world doesnt’t.
I don’t think this post was by the real “animalsbybarry” it was post by an animalsbybarry wanna be.
Theres too many of them around.
Im wondering just what the low light af will actually be and just how high a USABLE iso it will have.
On the a77 I find iso 1600 to be the maximum with acceptable perfomance.
With the new tamron 150-600 I would really like to be able to use a clean 6400 so I can stop the lens down yo f8 and still hsve a usably fast shutter speed.
Very soon we will know the answers.
Like the monkey said when he got his tail caught in the lawn mower, “It won’t be long now.”
Yes Barry, my darling, the A77II will have a 2 stop ISO advantage over the old camera. Modern APS-C sensors are renowned for clean ISO 6400.
Are we talking low light here or decent light but keeping up shutter speed? There is a pretty solid difference, many decent APS-C cameras can run 6400 just fine in goodish light.
All of the above. I have to use whatever light there is..not whatever light I choose.
Would absolutely love to see that 150-6000 mm lens you speak of. 🙂
6000 would be too big and heavy plus shooting through that much air would cause distortion.
I fixed it .
Are you happy with the Tamron? I currently use Sony SAL70300G, but a 600mm sounds nice.
A 6000 sounds nicer. I’ve always wanted to take BIF photos from space.
Look everyone, there he is ^
The animal molester.
It was posted by animalsbonedbybarry if somebody didn’t get it.
Absolutely hilarious.
Yes he promised me directly. He obviously LIED and Sony are not the high resolution company I thought they were.
I find your post unnecessary and rude. I am only moderately retarded.
Don’t you just hate when the irony doesn’t come across…
Awesome! lol. Love it.
Dude… since when do lenses have resolution omfg >.<
Lenses certainly have resolution, perhaps better referred to as resolving power. This puts a limit to the details it can ‘see’, and hence to the details in the image it casts on the sensor. So for every lens, there is a limit beyond which it becomes pointless to increase sensor resolution, because you don’t get any more details in the final image. More pixels only means finer details as long as the lens outresolves the sensor.
Lenses operate in the real world, thus they have infinite resolution just as every analogue device. Resolving power ≠ resolution. It’s just as stupid as saying the human eye’s resolution is 500MP. The retina DOESN’T WORK LIKE THAT!!!
false, some lens can only display a maximum of 16 mp on 32 mp cameras. Few lens out there outresolve 32 mp.
Well lenses do have a maximum amount of definition they can reproduce, depending on the characteristics, or even better, lack of them. Which is by convenience translated to resolution.
Which is why I talked about detail, not megapixels. You shouldn’t take the talk about lenses having megapixel numbers literally. It’s a convenient way of expressing it’s ability to resolve detail, which puts an upper limit to the sensor resolution that still makes a difference when paired with the lens. So, when the OP talked about a lens resolving 30 MP he meant that you can’t increase the sensor resolution further than that, and still get more details in your final image taken with that particular lens..
noyolo was talking about resolution, you are talking about resolving power. noyolo is saying nonsense, while what you are saying is true. I wrote noyolo is wrong, never said a word about you. I don’t understand why we are arguing…
lol’d
Sounds good, the aXX series will benefit more from a truly refined experience versus another reinvention of the wheel. Refinements such as wide AF point coverage, no noticeable lag or flash delay, a large buffer, an EVF as good or better than the a99 EVF, improved firmware / menu, less noise could make this the top aps-c action / sports camera around.
Now if only they would release a fixed f60 flash successor with it.
I pray that even half of this list is accomplished. The noise characteristic is #1 on my list. Fixing the flash system may be wishful, though.
I agree with You.
andrea, feed us more rumors 🙂
Yes, more A-Mount rumors since this is the Year of the A-mount cameras!! If I remember it right more FF A-Mounts should come. Or were those the A7 cameras?
Looks promising! May be my next camera.
If the price is right, like, sub $1000, I’d hit it.
It’s $1200
probably
I hope everyone stops bitching and moaning.
The A77 is a great camera. A world better than any of the Canon crops that I used for a long time. Yes, the noise characteristic and JPGs are kind of lousy, but let’s see if we get a little bump in these areas.
That we will get a relatively cost neutral (prediction) refresh that may a bit more nimble is not bad news.
Melodramatic complainers will be publically flogged.
As usual a new camera gets the couple of posters on here that are anti Sony into overdrive. I don’t understand the hate, if it’s not for you why the need to convince others and make whinging about a camera manufacturer all you do.
Now that’s what the a77 series are supposed to be about.
Sorry for my lack of knowledge – where is this positioned? agains K-3 from Pentax and D7100 from Nikon?
Same category as them
and the Canon 70D as well
thank you KT and ViRuS X
Improving tracking is all very well, but have Sony eliminated the EVF slideshow effect in 12fps and 8fps modes? It is almost impossible to follow a fast moving subject in these modes.
It is almost eliminated in A6000 to a point where I dont think about it when following a BIF in 11 fps. Probably the same improvement goes for A77II, but maybe at the cost of resolution, as in A6000?
The main questions is – will it take good pictures of my cat? Oh and quickly A-mount is dead.
I have a room full of great Minolta lenses that I bought for pennies-on-the-dollar from someone who “KNEW” A-mount was dead and jumped to Canon, prior to Sony coming out with the A100. In fact I just payed for his primes. Then he gave me the rest to get rid of them.
As Mark Twain said, “The reports of my demise are highly exaggerated.”
seen the prices from the minolta glass these days i assume that this person must have cried afterwards. But i am sure A mount is dead again, so i am glad to take over all you’re A mount glass for a penny… 😉
Yes, the more people who run around with their hands waving in the air screaming “Sony A-mount is Dead”, the better! I will have a better chance of snagging some AWESOME A-mount lens deals!
Just so that mentality doesn’t form an epidemic…that would be bad for us all.
We have not broken the bounds of digital technology capable enough of truly covering the essence of your cat. In order for this to be achieved, 54MP, organic non-bayer sensors will be needed. Even then, it will require a sensor the size of 8×9 slide film.
What’s more important than the A77II? Sony revealing their near future plans for A mount. This unveiling needs to be followed by some other encouraging information regarding A mount developments and Sony commitment.
There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns — the ones we don’t know we don’t know.
There are cameras we know we should use. We also know there are unused cameras; that is to say we know there are some used cameras we do not use. But there are also unused used cameras- the ones we don’t use don’t become used.
if sony not put in new cameras the video in high quality at high bitrates XAVC-S … sony has failed.
Today the function of video professional is essential!!
They are only essential to a video professional. Are you saying that every camera release must be targeted at video professionals?
Why limit the capabilities of a camera for no reason? Don’t tell me the hardware does not support higher bitrates other than 28mbps, all they have to do is:
1. select number ‘2’ 2. delete the selection 3. Insert number ‘9’ 4. profit
Also I don’t think encoding in XAVC-S would require a lot more processing power than encoding in AVCHD, so it’s just software again. Re-phrasing the original problem: Why does Sony exclude important and useful software when all they have to do is copy & paste it to their devices? They did the same with cellphones a few years ago. They had all the big guns on the table but were afraid to build them together, so each of these features were built into a separate phone. Separate device for audiophiles, separate device for camera enthusiasts, separate device for movie lovers, separate device for… Nah, it ain’t working, dude. For thousands of dollars we want something that completely satisfies our photographic needs. Including a god-damned codec wouldn’t even increase price for god’s sake!
While I agree with you on XAVC codec family, your post shows a major lack of understanding of software development.
What you just pointed out right there is not even enough to replace a label, which is what essentially your steps are doing.
With your steps, you will get 24 MBps, yet it will say 94.
In order to get higher bitrates, you have to make sure that you have sufficient transfer speed between components, so that you may also cover additional overhead, as well as processing power. Not like those 3rd party firmwares, which bump it up, but you end up with crashing and artifacts once in a while.
Then come the codec algorithms, which have to be built from scratch, since it has to be tied to a CPU that never supported it before.
There is much more that goes into this. Its not “just replace 2 with a 9”
“your post shows a major lack of understanding of software development… have to make sure that you have sufficient transfer speed between components”
Apparently, you cannot read. I said “the hardware supports it”, meaning I think it’s only the software that is lacking. Seriously, even a $100 cellphone can transfer at 100mbps…
“If all cameras had every imaginable feature, they would all be very expensive”
I don’t think changing a freaking number in the config file should raise manufacturing costs. Efficient processors are dirt cheap nowadays, look at the Galaxy Note III, a $500 device able to encode 4K at 100mbps with no problem (pls don’t tell me it would raise cost by $500, the SoC is a fraction of the whole price, by the way the new Bionz X already supports 4K & XAVC, so a new chip wouldn’t even be required)
PS: If you still do not understand:
Sony DSLTs support 28mbps not because they don’t have the bandwidth & processing power (what if I tell you that bandwidth between components are measured in GB/s and not in MB/s in the 21th century?), but because Sony wants us to buy their videocameras. It’s nothing more than a software based bitrate cap, so we are forced to spend another $2000 if we are not satisfied with VHS quality.
I did see your point on the hardware. I don’t doubt Bionz-X capabilities, but hardware wasn’t the only thing I was talking about. Its not just a config file. A config file has a very limited control. I’m sure the codec has to be rebuilt with a different compression algorithm to support a higher bitrate codec on a CPU that has never supported it yet. Without it, there is nothing you can do from config file.
I don’t seem to recall a Sony Pro camcorder, with the same CPU, that does a 96mbps AVCHD. I could be wrong on this one.
And a XAVC codec, i’ll say this again, the compression algorithms must be tailor made to the CPU that they’re running on. Its all done in firmware.
It’s only a decision made / not made by a company. If it doesn’t raise manufacturing cost, they can easily sell it for the same price and maybe there will be more people buying it. Sony is not Apple, they need to give something for the price if they want to stay in the business. higher value/price with manufacturing costs unchanged is good for a company that has problems competing with others. Nvidia had the luxury to rip off buyers, by renaming their old products, because AMD coudn’t keep up and people were forced to buy Nvidia. Am I forced to buy Sony if I want a good camera? No, I can buy Nikon or Canon. The A77II will be competing with the D7100 and the 70D. So the new Sony won’t even be able to touch the Canon if they are following the “more features = higher price” nonsense as you are saying. The 70D goes up to 80mb/s and cost the same as any other high-end APS-C camera ($1200). Canon did magic right?
“to support a higher bitrate codec on a CPU that has never supported it yet”
A CPU does operations, it does not support any bitrate. The software does. The chip needs to be able to process the raw (about 300mb/s) 1080p footage. For 100mb/s you only need a fast enough memory card to save the file.
“with a different compression algorithm to support a higher bit-rate codec” So now codecs have bit-rates? I thought they only have an interval for supported bit-rates.Compression does not support a higher bit-rate codec, the codec supports compression with higher bit-rate video stream(s) as final footage that is saved on the card.
“I don’t think changing a freaking number in the config file should raise manufacturing costs.”
No, it doesn’t, but adding a feature does raise the price for the buyer. Manufacturing cost and retail price are two different things. As I wrote in my previous post:
“We pay for every one of those features, even if some of them might not increase the cost for the manufacturer.”
If all cameras had every imaginable feature, they would all be very expensive. We pay for every one of those features, even if some of them might not increase the cost for the manufacturer.
Product differentiation, i.e. offering different feature sets at different price points for different target users, is a reality we have to live with.
I don’t know ANYBODY that bought their dSLR specifically for video, not one person.
You video lot do a lot of shouting but the percentage of video users is insignificant to stills users, so no, Sony has not failed just because you can’t get what you want.
Parts of “Captain America: The First Avenger”, “Iron Man”, SNL, etc. were filmed with DSLRs and certainly some low budget music videos I’ve seen were. Of course, Sony’s a7S is heavily purposed for video. So using a DSLR primarily for video isn’t unreasonable (note I personally don’t care so much).
That said, other than some wild speculation in comments in the past dreaming of 4k I don’t recall SAR rumors expecting any boost in a77II video performance so I don’t share any disappointment.
But then everyone has their feature hopes. Get what you want, pull out your credit card and do all the happy dancing here you want. Don’t better keep your mouth shut or you’re a ‘troll’. ;^)
Any word on tethering?
It will be completely tetherable…You’ll be able to tether it to your wrist, or even a strap, maybe even to a tripod if that’s your thing.
It’s a SONY made by Sony engineers (Up through the A850, camera design was influenced by Minolta engineers).
Of course there’s no tethering.
I am waiting for the specs, but probably this camera will upgrade my A57 in the future…
I’m not holding my breath. I’m sure my A65 with 16-50 can hold up well against it, up to a point where it doesn’t really worth paying 1200 for an upgrade.
The only feature that could possibly make me consider it is +1 stop clean ISO. +0.5 of a stop of today’s cameras like A6000 isn’t really worth it.
I’ll wait for Mk3 to upgrade most likely.
Awesome. I’m going to definitely be buying this camera. It’s gonna look pretty well featured.
12 FPS up to 60 frames? Is it as I understood it or is it just me waking up from my beloved bed?
Maybe what they ment with 60/25 frames Raw & JPG is the video frame rate??
Anyone?!
Burst mode 12 fps
Buffer 60 frames for JPG or 25 frames for JPG+RAW or 26 frames for RAW only
Thans
Early Specs? One day before announcement?
Admin gets burned by a few bad rumors, now he’s really hesitant to post anything.
Or is it a case of sources drying up?
A-mount is alive, alive, alive.
I am a moron, moron, moron.
i’ve got a sony a65, I would be surprised that this camera much better image quality if you keep the Translucent Mirror
i want ff a-mount mirrorless !
So many people wanting big changes from the A77. Seems to that is we should expect big changes then it would have a new name, eg A78.
Being a mk ii version of the A77 would suggest we should only expect fairly minor changes,
where’s gps? wifi remote control like in the nex?
A77 Mark ll = A77 firmware upgrade…. Minus being able to use the same flash you do on your A77.