It’s SR5, just got that proof (Thanks P:L) that a new A7 series camera a new A6000 series camera and a new RX camera are going to be announced between now and end of May. The image on top is the official Sony Product launch Calendar til June 2015 leaked by Wikileaks. Of course there may be small changes because of uncalculated events (for example A6000 successor overheating issue). The bad news is that there is no A-mount stuff on that list. This means on April 23 Sony will announce new RX stuff and in early-mid May the new A7rII and the new A6000II.
This is now SR5 which means there is now a 90%+ chance I am right on that rumor! P.S.: Glad to hear that my A7rII, A6xxx and RX rumors were correct 🙂
Important UPDATE: A reader posted that image of a document saying the A99II and A58 would be discontinued in July. I just wanted to add that no such document is available in Wikileaks. I asked the commenter who posted the image to send me the file. he said he would be he didn’t. I believe that guy just wanted to fool our readers in the comment system!
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Great news about the A7RII, hoping for A9 news soon. That’s what’s interesting. A-mount or E-mount??
Third year is going and loyal Sony a99 owners are sitting on old tech. New A7-s coming out every 6 months. Disgusting…
You have to really check the meaning of the word Disgusting 🙂
PS. A7’s owners are whining all the time they get updates too often making their current gear go down on resale value. Nobody is happy 🙂
he “Disgusting” it in the right way I would say….
Latin-speking people say ad nauseam. I say “disgusting” about these 6-mo A7 updates. And I really mean it, shooting 100k + shots annually with my a99.
well when you think what sony could of done with just parts bin speicals on a mount, its pretty 😐
You shoot an average of 300 shots every day, for 333 days every year?
Seriously?
Isn’t the A7RII = A9? A9 has never been confirmed and the A7RII is going to be a MP monster.
Yeah you’re right the A9 is not confermed, but if, I believe it will be the MP monster…
I also believe the A7RII is continuing with the 36 mp and more as an upgrade of the A7R much like the A7 upgraded to A7II.
I don’t think the A99II will be the A9, but I do hope the A99II will arrive with the 36mp sensor. Personally I hope the A9 will arrive.. and as E-Mount.
Sh***t – some weeks ago I bet, the name will be A7000… now Sony talks about a 6000-series!
So, no a99II again???
Quote: The bad news is that there is no A-mount stuff on that list.
Do you think this sentence is open to interpretation?
No
ok, thanks.
who knew something on wikileaks could help SAR 😛
At last I have some real proof that my A7rII, A6xxxx and RX rumors were good 🙂
Are you going to move to the Embassy of Ecuador too?
Maybe I should go there and aks them to show me that damn new A99II 🙂
So the rumor about a A99 mk II, was false. This means that Sony now officially say that A-Mount is dead
As usually, nothing about a-mount & A99II.
I’m bummed there’s no new A-mount camera.
Me too. Althaugh I never got SR4-5 rumors on A-mount stuff. That made me worry a bad news would come 🙁
I just hope that the reason we have no A99II is because they are trying to perfect something that will truly be an awesome camera. If that is the case they can take their time.
that would be so great.. but honestly; I don’t thing there will be a new A mount cam in the near future. I am with that mount for 20 years now, starting with Minolta analogue bodies of the “xi” line and build up high quality lens collection over the years. but now… we would have needed that 36MPix sensor in a cam a year ago to keep A-mount really alive. Now I am using a a7s+LAEA4 along with my a850 wishing that just that damn adapter would be a bit better…
don’t get me wrong; I would throw away that e-mount crap within a second IF there would be an alternative (which is certainly not a a99II with a 50Mpix sensor). but there is none. and taking pictures as an amateur is certainly also possible with e-mount. but I won’t build up a new e-mount lens collection; rather I would switch to Nikon, still using Sony sensors but getting a nice body and good lenses.
still hoping for high-end a9; some months ago there was a rumour for a a/e-mount hybrid. although I have no idea how that should be feasible it may be the “future” for our beloved A-mount…
Me too. Took 2000 shots this week on two shoots with my a99 body. And certain ting are really playing my nerves already. Slowness of joystick when selecting focus area, really small RAW buffer and some unexpected shutter lags are main concerns. And yes — high ISO please!!!
I really don’t understand this whole issue. A7 users are whining that they get updates every year and it makes their gear go down in value. A99 users are whining that they don’t get updates every year. Always some problems 🙂
So what’s wrong with the current a6000?
I mean — it comes as a bit of a surprice seeing that the previous version wasn’t released that long ago so there must be something worthwile in order for Sony to release a version two.
Maybe all new cameras will have IBIS or something?
IBIS would be a great feature to add
IBIS, XAVC and slog would make it nice 🙂
mirrorless is currently very fast developing, A6000 is old now. Look at other companies and compare:
A6000 has
– no IBIS (A7II / all Olympus)
– no 4K (NX1 / GH4)
– slow AF (compared to NX1 / T-X1)
– inferior IQ (compared to NX1 / Nikon D5500 / Fuji X100T)
– no touchdisplay (NX1 / NX500 / GH4 / OMD-E1 / OMD-E5 / OMD-E10 / …..endlesslist…)
You do realize a lot of the cameras in your list are over twice as expensive as the A6000 right? I am not sure what you are expecting…
Additionally, the A6000 is way better than X100T in the IQ department:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/sony/a6000/vs/fujifilm/-x100t/image-quality
A top notch APS-C mirrorless Emount.
Showing, Sony can challenge NX1 and Canon 7Dii.
Having a price-point between A6000 and NX1 (as NEX-7 did).
It is also not medium format (645Z), doesn’t do 8K (F65, Arri, RED), doesn’t have a FHD EVF (blackmagic), doesn’t have a 5″ FHD touch screen (blackmagic) etc etc
I think the A6000 replacement will be a response to the Samsung NX1 (with Samsung’s resources Sony needs to leverage its innovation and technical expertise to stay ahead).
I hope you are right!
I consider NX1 as THE mirrorless milestone-camera for ever.
I it the first one, many testers said it has no more disadvantages to DSLRs in terms of AF when used for sports-events or wildlife shooting. And thats marks the turn, that 2015th mirrorless-tech will be able to outperform the mirror-box.
What is wrong?
EVF is trash.
No trinavi.
No level meter.
No mic input.
No real raw output.
EXACTLY! MIC INPUT IS NEEDED FOR VIDEO. WHY SONY DOESNT IMPLEMENT THIS IS BEYOND MY UNDERSTANDING. VIDEO IS PICTURE WITH MOTION AND WE GET SHIT SOUND OUT OF THE BUILT IN MICs.
No level gauge? Oh.. that’s quite stupid. Why on earth would they remove that feature?
I currently doesn’t own it though but previous gen NEX 6 and currently waiting for the A7rII. It’s a real pity that Sony just isn’t “there” when it comes to software.
Haha, I searched the emails and documents last night for “a6000”, “a7000”, “ILCE”, etc but got only 1 result. 😀 Glad someone had the same idea and was more successful.
Yes, It’s because it’s a PNG file so you don’t find it by making a simple text search 🙂
Thanks for the reply, do you have a source?
So where is the 4K Action Cam? Overheating issues too?
It has been announced in January! You can buy it here:
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My bad, how did I miss this 🙂
Yeah, because Sony desperately needs a replacement for the A6000.
Meanwhile, the A99 is 2 1/2 years old, and making little e dent in the influential Pro market still owned by Canon & Nikon.
Sony needs a serious AF upgrade to the A99, at minimum, to the level of the A6000 or A77 II.
And it doesn’t need a 50 MP sensor. You can’t scream through multi-frame rates for sports and action photography at 36 and 48 MP sensor sizes. Processors simply can’t do it (yet).
Give me a 16 MP sensor with A7s ISO performance, in an A99 body, with grip body, that is at least on par with the A77 II AF flexibilties. That’s a camera that I’d pre-order in a heartbeat.
A99s 16 or 18MP with improved AF would become very interesting to sport and wildlife shooters even in a pro environment.
Agree.
I do not need 50mp or 4k video in A99II,
A better high ISO, AF, Buffer will be good enough for me to get one immediately.
Yes but who says it’s a sports camera? Sports cams don’t define the pinnacle of photographic achievement. Why not just use the A77ii or canon if you want speed.
I want a 50 MP monster for fashion and landscape. FPS mean nothing. Give us a flagship not a soccer camera.
Now I am trying to find the file that shows the rest of the 2015 year…
Any more info on A7s updates would be welcome.
Crossing fingers for an LA-EA5 with A77II AF. 😉
You mean LA-EA4II
Not to mention the EIGHT new fe lenses listed!
2 FE where the 28-135mm and 16-35mm FE
6 FE are the 28mm, 2 converters, 35mm Distagon, 24-240mm and 90mm macro.
So that’s perfectly correct!
Even I would like a A99m2. That is mostly unfair and it’s like burrying head in the sand, pretending the A7 series are a solution to everything. They are not. Studio photographers and action photographers would really benefit from a A99m2 or something similar.
What are you hoping for the new RX? This would be my wish list: Nikon P7800-style controls, 10-15x zoom, 4K, EVF *and* hot (MI) shoe. I have no need for flash. But still there has to be a way to have all 3! RX100 mk2 to mk3 makes no sense. How can you possibly omit something as critical as a hot shoe??
Sold my A7 and won’t be going back to FE. Until it can track focus like the A77II I’m not interested. The depreciation on FE gear is horrendous as well.
Not really. Considering the bodies are 2/3 the price of canon/Nikon competition. It works out pretty sweet. Especially once you have your lenses sorted. The outlay is pretty minimal and you get access to the latest improvements in technology on a regular basis. Win win.
I have zero problem moving over to FE. If that is the future so be it- but it’s just not there yet. I think Sony is getting closer, but the lossy raw files have to go and for the love of God…dual card slots. The grip was so horrible on the A7 even with the vertical I couldn’t do it. The A7II does look much better, but they still need to fix a few things before I’d buy it. Nikon bodies aren’t that expensive either- even the D750 can be had now for about 1700.00. I’d rather stay A mount and wait it out another year for FE to mature. I absolutely have to have a 135 with AF and 85mm with AF. Sony- give me that and we’ll talk.
If you already have invested in A mount – this is one thing. But starting to invest in A mount, I would recommend to nobody – because Canikon DSLR system has infinite advantages over A-mount and almost no disadvantages.
I can’t disagree with that. If I was doing it over I’d go Nikon- but for A mount users- weird spot to be in right now. I do think mirror less is the future. Sony will get there but for the time being I think A mount users are best to stay put.
And the lossy RAW files are an issue. I even thought myself it was a joke until I started to seriously look into it. Weird shiiit artifacts showing up in my photo’s around the edges just like described in the reviews- not even 3 stop push in most of my photos. Nope, gotta go.
Really? Can I get 5-axis IS with an 85mm or 135mm prime? How about a 50mm? Can I shoot 4K or non line skipped 1080p with S-Log?
oops – forgot that some primes of CaNikon have no IS/VR – even not in Sigma version. But I expect these lenses will come – at least it would be a GOOD selling argument for a Sigma-OS / Tamron-VC over the natives. Actually there is a Tamron 90mm/f2.8 VC macro – but I think you were thinking about a faster lens ^_^
4K / 1080p / S-Log: is just something Sony is little ahead, because they released it recently – CaNikon will step up soon.
Thanks for letting us know.
Since when is Q1 April/May/June?
This is a product launch calendar… NOT a product announcement calendar… Sony could announce something today, won’t be release till August and it won’t be on there….
Hmmm me thinks…
Look at the past products of the calendar. All launched within the exact timeframe.
4K televisions were announced in JAN. It shows up in April/May/June of this chart.
The camera/lens roadmap is spot on. Maybe 4K TV got announced 2-3 months earlier because of competition launching them in January already?
The first 2K sony TV for 2015 was set to pre-order about two weeks ago. No pricing for any other Sony television is available or for preorder yet. The chart shows JAN-Mar for 2K television release. Nothin is available yet and it’s April, I wouldn’t be so sure that this chart reflects accurate info on “announcements”. Like I said, sony could announce something today for a Fall release and it won’t be in there
Nobody saw that the a7II were coming until one day before the announcement. So we can have the same surprise with A-mount again…
For me, all the A6100 needs is IBIS, the strengthened mount and the higher quality exterior finish from the A7 II. It will then be the perfect companion to the A7 II.
Exactly. The slicky finish of the A6000 made me not considering it and staying with the NEX7 even if its sensor was a diva.
I thought the NEX-7 had a shiny finish too.
That simply means, a A7rII and a A6100 with IBIS and some minor body modifications (just like the A7II). Can’t see any 50 MPx sensor there (can’t imagine a A7rII with such a updated sensor and being still A7-series). A A6100 is probably also not a premium A6000 but only an update. Probably (hopefully) they announce a A99m2 on May 23rd an release it in Q2.
hope for A7R II or A9 with new LA-EA5/6 adapter (A77II focus and perhaps without Transulent part). So it will replace the A99. Touchscreen for faster navigation. more shoots per second and/or more shoots in series. Higher battery power!
If there is a touch screen on the A7RII and dare I say…same focusing speed as A7II…that could sway me to the dark side. Nah, that’s crazy talk. Won’t happen. Still stuck with lossy files and no dual card slots.
Crap – I want all 3 of these! 🙂
Don’t fight the addiction. Give into it. The best remedy for camera addiction is to buy more cameras. Collect them all!
Months ago I said the Koreans should tell us what new stuff Sony is making…I guess they are proving more reliable than SAR :*))
No new A mount…I guess its confirmed A mount is dead.
OL, I said the A7rII and a new A6xxx cam were coming. A-mount was never posted as a SR4-5 rumor 🙂
wow… i could have sworn you guys had it (A mount) as a sr4 or 5.. that’s why I had my hopes up… must have been mistaken…. sigh…
it wasn’t you who was mistaken…. 🙂
Thats why a. :*))
I realize that real info has been difficult to come by, but you must admit that lately posts have seemed like random guesses and sooner or later some of them have to be correct.
That is not actually a critisizm though because you need to fill our constant appetite for rumors or deal with a bunch of hungry SAR readers.
I agree posts as of late are shots in the dark, then a couple days before release, an inside scoop. Admin certainly alluded to A99 successor release coming soon. Can hide behind a “actually what I said was,sr3,sr4 etc)” but the indication was clear.
Latest 3 rumors that SAR posted
A77rii will have same 36mp sensor as old a77r
Sony will introduce higher mp sensor..50mp?
No new A mount or A9 comming, only new a7 series, a6000, and rx.
Plus it is broken down to another reasonable sounding estimate of which ones on which days.
The other timetables all sounded pretty plausable too.
but you post SR5 just six days before the announcement, might as well close temporary your web page and open it just a few days before the announcement 😉
No. A7rII rumors I way older. I posted it a month ago. And so the A6xxx rumors.
Sorry, Andrea, but as others have pointed out your ‘rumours’ were all concernting an A7000 and you’ve been posting them since before Christmas
A simple update on the A6000 is a very different prospect and is to be expected unless Sony are pulling-out of APS-C all together
‘Sony will replace A6000 one day (SR4)’… I kind of think most observers could have come up with that one! 🙂
Yep. First I posted A7000 rumors because that’s what I thought the camera would be named. But nevertheless Sony decided to keep the A6xxx naming. So all A7000 and A6xxx rumors are one.
No mention of the a9 either on the document, so it’s not a definitive no to an a99ii coming (just not in the same wave as the a6100 and the a7rii.
When did you write a new a6000 was coming? I’ve only seen an a7000 on this website.
is there a link? 😀
been looking for it aswell.
I actually remember that…
fiscal year.
Well this is depressing.
Tell me RX2, where are you? We’ve got some fun to have now.. (to the tune of Scooby Doo)
Scooby shoots olympus cause he’s silly like that.
Shaggy and Scooby are Lomography and analog forever. But I can see Daphne owning a selfie PEN
Admin, so no “high end” A7000 but A6000 mkII instead? Or A6000mkII is the rumored A7000 and there will not be successor of Nex-7?
The a6000 is the successor as far as I can tell. Instead of a separate NEX6 and NEX7, we now simply have the a6000. And honestly, it’s an impressive machine. All they have to do is make a few tweaks in the next version to add back in a few features the NEX7 folks are complaining about.
Yes but it’s still 1000 less than an a7000!
There is NO successor to the NEX-7 or if there is its the A7.
well… I don’t know how to take this news. You see I have an A77 and am looking to go full frame. So I am chosing between FE mount and A mount. The new tech in the A7II is tempting, but I have an 85mm Zeiss which would work nicely with an A mount. I just feel like it’s not a good idea to buy an a99 now… almost like I feel that they are on the verge of changing it… I don’t want to buy old tech with better tech available.
the 99 is a decent machine, in terms of image quality its certainly falling behind notably the E mounts,,,
Bad situation for you.
You know the DPreview-article: “The myth of the upgrade path”. Upgrading within a single system from crop to FF is almost as expensive than changing the entire system. Going to FF you can consider Canikon as well as going to FF-Emount.
Of course, that’s only true if one only invested in crop lenses while shooting with the crop body. I think most of us start buying the FF lenses before we ever actually upgrade to the FF body, though, thus making the switch to a different system quite costly.
Lots of us use FF lens in crop body.
70-300G, 70-400G, 70-200 2.8, 150-600, etc.
Upgrade to FF, I just need to replace the 16-50 2.8 to 24-70 2.8 only.
It does not cause any close to change a new system.
Also, flashes, 1.4x, 2.0x teleconverters, batteries can be use as well.
I went through that when I bought my a7. I had ff lenses for my a77 (24/2, 35/1.4, 70/2.8 and a beercan). They were all great for me on apsc, but on full frame only the 35/1.4 and beercan would have stayed. The a7 worked out significantly cheaper and lighter than “upgrading” to an a99 (after I factored in buying the zeiss 50/1.4 and a 100/2.8) .
I can’t take the 50 zeiss on the A7. I tried. The meike grip made it a bit more tolerable. Still, it’s just a bad combination IMO. Maybe the A7II will have fixed that.
Yes but as with most DPR articles these days… It was nonsense.
@MdB: It is not as black and white as the article stated. But it is something to think about.
You can use FF-primes on APS-C as standard-lenses:
20mm -> ~35mm
35mm -> ~50mm
50mm -> ~85mm
85mm -> ~135mm
And (super)teles are never long enough, APC-S makes them “longer”.
But if you invested in pure APS-C lenses because of size, price and sharpness, sooner or later you will replace them by FF equivalents. (Canon sooner, Sonykon later)
Damn, where is A7000?
Let’s hope shitty EVF is removed from A6000 and replaced with a decent one from A7.
Where is our trinavi? Damn.
Why can’t those things be on an updated A6000? Why does everyone assume it would have to be a whole new model class?
Depressing yes… A99s or A99r? or what ever designation perhaps A9? the fact remains A mount is of little importance, no no no im not flogging the E mount as i own both mounts… but JFC! its about Friggin time a 99 replacement or al least please a LAEA5 so i can migrate some of my lenses…
If they’d design an la-ea5 for people who actually hold a camera, I’m in. I’d be happy with the a77ii af module…
yes! Amount or new Adapter… but it has to be soon or the majority of people will jump ship… including me
They will jump anyway if they have the balls. Sony’s word is on test. If there is no A99II it’s not worth my money.
No problem here with the shape of the adapter, but better focus would certainly be a plus, heck just more points would be enough!
so this is NOT gonna be an RX2 right? Just the larger sensor rx100?
Sigh 🙁
Holding back on the ‘out of stock’ Loxia 35mm f2, Distagon 35mm 1.4 ZA – in hope of an RX2 instead… I would hate for them to wait until I’ve bought one of these..
This is the reason why I’ll never buy a E-mount camera to shoot sports and wildlife! Sony no A-mount no more of my money for you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlBWL_UVUS8
His conclusion: (12:22: “how much more difficult for any mirrorless camera it is to focus while the f-stop is small”) is right.
But he did not consider that open-aperture focusing can be done by mirrorless the same way, that DSLRs do. He made of snapshot of current products, not beeing able think ahead what camera-manfacturers can do in future to handle that. Maybe there will be an “open aperture focus mode” for small apertures when shooting stills.
If he really thinks it is a general problem of mirrorless that will never be solved (and it sounds like that in the video) – then he should never work for a company in a R&D department.
Testers who don’t understand the kit they’re testing once again. Tony Northrop made the same mistake reference focusing.
So you are critical of this analysis not because it is presently true, but because he didn’t say future releases will fix this difference? He has no way of knowing that for sure, he simple stated what is now presently factual without telling us about what could very well become “vapourware”. And I say that as someone who has worked in the field of telecommunications for thirty years…the fix you hope to get is not the always the one you will get so don’t make promises that your equipment suppliers may not keep for you.
His video shows you it’s a fact that it’s a design flaw while you are talking about a maybe fix in the future somewhere! Can you time travel?
I was born in 2023 and invented a time machine
Good one Marty McFly!
Could wikileaks obtained info further than FY15Q1?
RX2 would be AWESOME – I think I couldn’t resist of buying one. 🙂
incoming a6000 video variant w/ XAVCS 4K 8MP APSC? 🙂
Yeah I’m right there with you, but for me none of this video crap will matter unless Sony puts a damn 3.5mm mic input on the thing so others can get better audio with third party external mics (e.g. Rode videomic) to go along with good video!!!!! Flip out LCD would be nice so selfie vloggers can see if they in frame too.
Where is the A7Sii? Fuck Sony if this list is correct.. Your not going to update the one A7 camera designed for video that could benefit from the upgrade most? I will not buy the a7s (although I despretley want to) until it ihas IBIS for video and hopefully internal 4k…And it would be nice if they released it before wedding season so I can actually use it. Fuckers.
Curved sensor, integrated left side EVF, tilt LCD, weather sealed RX2 would be cool. But c’mon Sony! You’ve already blown everyone away with small cameras and FF sensors. Step it up to a small body MF sensor! 🙂 Something the size of a Lomo LC-A120 would be amazing. No. Actually an RX-MF would be one bad MF!
disagree
A body needs a certain size to have all buttons and dials and a good grip.
Put in a sensor that is as big as possbile, but do not need super-big lenses.
m4/3 vs APS-C vs FF I think FF is best compromise, but for MF, the lenses are way too big.
As on the RX1, integrating it into the body saves (or maybe just hides) size. This would be the kind of technology showcase that Sony seems to love. And it would be in addition to, not instead of FF and other formats. But no indication that its coming. Just my wishful thinking.
A99II this fall. It would not have been consistent with their strategy to release anything this month. No folks, we’ll get that A99II. We’ll get it alright. Nice and quiet with no fanfare. Slow fade into oblivion. But look at the bright side! At least when you do get that body it won’t drop 50 percent in value over 6 months.
A mount has just moved to the Canon release cycle, frustrating as that may be. Which is why I no longer shoot Canon. They’ve faded into my personal oblivion.
It may be unwise to watermark a stolen document.
I would sell my Fujifilm X100T in a heart beat if a Sony RX2 came out that is quicker in focus and function and has a max shutter speed of 1/8000 with or build in ND filter. Add IBIS, pop up EVF, tilting LCD, and a weather sealed and it would make it a near perfect travel camera. If this happened this camera would be good enough as a second camera for paid shoots for me. One can wish I guess!
Crazy talk sir. X100T is already a classic. Hold onto that sweetness.
Indeed a classic but I’m a DOF junky.
On a camera of this type, I see those features as negatives. I never use 1/8000th, and the other features will all add weight and complexity to the camera. You would end up with a heavier, more confusing camera with more things to go wrong.
Weather sealing would be nice though.
Sony works on a Japanese calendar. April 1 starts Q1 for them.
Disappointing there is no a-mount. Anyway to get Q2 calendar? What’s up with sony’s secrecy anyway? Showing their product plans would help keeping Sony shooter staying with Sony. Just keeping people hanging is bs
If Q2, Q3, Q4 are leaked and find out no a-mount camera.
Do you think Showing their product plans would help keeping Sony shooter staying with Sony?
Then you know the reason why they don’t show their product pla. 😛
That’s the problem, few people believe that A-mount is a stable platform for the future.
This is a launch calendar, not an announcement calendar… The 4K TV were announced in January and will be launched beginning of May. So If they can announce a A99ii next week if they want and release it at Q2. With the updated 24-70 and 16-35mm.
Can Sony’s face detect be used with manual and legacy lenses to position the point of magnification/peaking for manual focus assist? It would be very useful for that forthcoming Mitikon 1.2 and the Loxia twins.
EXACTLY! I’ve been thinking the same thing. That would be absolutely awesome. You could compose while using MF.
Do you own an A7x? Not currently doable? Damn! Is the magnification limited to just the center of the frame?
Not doable currently. If face detect would stick to the subject and zoom in- perfect. You could move around your composition while the focus peaking remained constant on your subject. You’ve got that black box below that shows the focus point- I’d like to see a full picture in it while using magnification as well.
Seems like an “easy” firmware update. But you can move the mag point around manually? If so, the 85 1.2 would be usable. If not, not so much
Yes you can move the mag point around manually very easily.
Not sure I’d call it easy. But if the Face detect could hold that point for you while you move the camera around. Level 10 UNLOCKED!!!
Clicking on the arrow keys is pretty in the direction you want the box to move on the control wheel is pretty easy…
Nope, can’t do that. Smile shutter works though 🙂
A7rii with IBIS would be pretty great
it’s coming.
You missed a line. Let me fix that for you:
“A7RII with IBIS would be pretty great with no lossy RAW files, dual card slots and a touch screen.”
You’re welcome:)
Dual card and touch screen are highly unlikely based on the a7-2 body revision.
Sony is getting so close. Come on, just drop the duallies in their and get that AF up to snuff. If they’re going to drag these needed upgrades out for another two cycles I’ll just wait.
I’m with you on dual card slots – if not dual SD than SD + microSD. Also, I’d like the ability to choose which card to save video to when in sort mode.
Agree – no lossy RAW files.
I don’t think that’s coming this time around…we can hope for the A7RIII to have those features.
time for RX20, RX2, A7RII and A7SII
It says in the document 6x FE lens too!!!! and Sony doesn´t have any. Maybe a 28-168 f3.5-4.5 or 24-144 f3.5-5.6
35, 28, wide extender, fisheye extender, 90, 24-240, that counts six
Hoping the new a6000 – if it exists – is a serious advancement and not just the existing model with some new fins and chrome (i.e. 4K video). I’d like a better EVF, and IBIS, and of course a sensor upgrade.
and leveling gauge and why not tri navi to see how it works :p compared to bi-Navi 😉 on SonyA6000
Agreed. 3MP SLR style EVF. 14+ DR, 24+ bits color, 4K, better ISO than D7200 and cheaper than NX1. Otherwise no reason to buy this over competition.
very cheaper than NX1 because I’m not into paying 1500$ anyway
I dind’t find the document. Can you send it to me?
This? https://wikileaks.org/sony/docs/05/docs/fiscalrestructureplan/solutions/Fiscal_Restructuring_Plan_2015.pdf
I don’t see anything on that link. Can you check?
I’m not finding the document… How do you search for it?
UUUHHHGGGG!!! 🙁
I hope Admin can find something in the leaks about A-mount. If there is nothing, then I guess we’re to assume it’s dead, right?
I think it’s pretty clear that it’s done. No launches, no rumors, previous rumored launches never materialized (like the 400mm f4.5).
A-mount will be left to wilt away.
I keep asking about the A99 replacement that was so heavily rumored last year and early this year by admin, but rather than address the rumor, my posts are now being deleted. This behavior by admin seems to indicate that he knows that the mount is dead, but has been told to keep the subject taboo. Shame really, because in the past I used to be able to say A-mount is dead, dead, dead and get great debate on the topic. Now one one wants to challenge the position.
Agreed
Your post is well alive here! Sony officially stated they will keep developing A-mount. And I have no rumor that goies against that statement.
So future A-mount is like Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, and Aliens… Nobody sees it, but you can’t really prove that it doesn’t exist.
“This means on April 23 Sony will announce new RX stuff and in early-mid May the new A7rII and the new A6000II.”
Why not the A7rII and A6000ii on April 23rd and the RX stuff in early to mid may?
Sincerely,
Someone who sold their A7r last week in anticipation of the new model coming out 😉
So far the rumors I got said the E-mount stuff would be announced in may.
I sold the cam months ago 🙂
I see, I’ll have to be slightly more patient I guess, thanks!
@SAR_Admin:disqus is there any word on specs of a implementation of a 3.5mm mic input jack that will be a feature on the successor A6xxx so video users can use third party external mic for recording better sound (e.g. Rode Shotgun VideoMic). Lastly do you know if there will be a swiveling LCD screen feature where selfie vloggers can swing the screen out facing them to monitor if they are in frame while recording video? For example like the Canon T3i-T6s Rebel series.
Will someone let me know about this too….
You know this is still a rumor site. It may turn out that A7r II is not released in the next 2 years or may be never for that matter.
I would not base decisions affecting couple of thousand euros based on what is meant to be entertainment site. You could base stock purchase decisions on the latest Game of Thrones episode with similar success.
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I’m working on a analogue/film project until June, so I don’t really need my digital body until then. I sold it for as much as I paid for it (I got it used).
I’m not sure what your point is here, I can go buy another used A7r tomorrow if I decide I need one, it’s not some major financial decision,if the rumours are wrong, I’ve lost nothing. If they’re right, I probably save a couple or few hundred bucks by selling it before the bottom falls out. Thanks for your concern though…
Ok. Sorry if my post came too aggressive. I see some people making huge plans on rumors and then get upset when rumors don’t come through.
I too myself am excited about A7r II and hope to buy it. Though I would not make plans on this before seeing some field reports and may be seeing it in store.
Fair enough, sorry if mine did too!
Tough to tell tone over the internet, and people tend to be jerks on photography forums 🙂
Every now and then Sony has tossed A-mount users a bone or
two, but for a camera mount to prosper it requires a constantly updated
infrastructure of optics and accessories and that is not happening with the
A-Mount.
Maybe in someone’s wildest dreams there’s a world that the
DSLR is a growing market segment and the user’s needs aren’t being meet by
Canon and Nikon deep bench of lenses and bodies.
The world doesn’t need the A-mount; photographers aren’t looking
for a Nikon/Canon replacement and Sony knows this and that’s why Sony is
looking to other technologies that over time will make money for Sony
shareholders.
what’s the probability of this “document” being fake? from the looks of it and the orthography it very well might be… i’m sceptical.
Snowden says its just the same 36 mpx with the stabilizer. That sucks!
Well, I’ll consider it anyway because that sensor is great and price reasonable.
A new sensor would probably be a 50mpx and such a camera would cost more than 3k.
They will improve it on the software side I’m sure (processing).
For you.
You got a link for that?
There is still space to play for companies like Pentax, Sony A mount, Olympus and Panny. They all cater to that niche market and we’re all better for it. Millions of Minolta and Sony lenses out there. What a waste if they can’t continue to put a few bodies out for it.
So you are saying that the reason for Sony to keep
designing, testing and marketing new A-Mount bodies is so that a few old timers
can continue to use lenses made in the lite 1980’s and 1990’s?
I hope it has a shutter fingerprint sensor like the iphone, so if someone steals your camera, only your finger can click the shutter. (SR4)
You still won’t have a camera even if the thief can’t use it. But who knows, maybe they’ll find it in their heart and return it once they realize this.
But less people will steal cameras if the stolen stuff is a paperweight.
And why can’t a 50MP sensor be in an A7 series camera?
hmmm… I may need to get the new RX…. 35 1.4 curved sensor?!
It does appear they are starving A-mount to death. Not killing it outright… Tossing a few crumbs here and there. But they have to know, that by giving so little development to A-mount, that A-mount customers will gradually shift elsewhere. Some will drift to E-mount, some will drift to competitors.
It will become a self-fulfilling prophecy to eventually allow them to kill A-mount fully. They will be able to say, “there are too few A-mount customers to justify further production” — But the more they delay, the more they neglect, of course they are losing potential A-mount customers along the way.
I do think this is intentional.. in the hope that many of those A-mount customers migrate to E-mount, and then they can further crow about the growing success of E-mount. While ignoring the fact that much of that success is really nothing more than shifting customers from E-mount to A-mount.
Have you tried that 135mm F2 Nikkor? I have no way of getting my hands on it. If it was up to par and of excellent quality I’d consider the switch over to Nikon. I might have already asked you about that. Can’t remember and don’t know enough about Nikkor glass. Prices seem reasonable though.
Best bargain glass are select Minolta. But when looking at new 1st party glass, Nikon is much better than Sony. Haven’t tried the Nikon 135/2, but I just got the 85/1.8. For $400, it’s looking like a real beauty so far, but I need more time with it. (And I do miss stabilized primes of a-mount. )
135mm f/2 is the one weakness of the Nikkor system. The lens is old and features an exotic “defocus control” for out-of-focus appearance manipulation, bokeh is nice but sharpness not so much. Autofocus is screw-driven though really fast.
In pretty much all other areas Nikkor F-mount system is superior or at least on-par with A-mount offering, not to mention a strictly superior range of full-frame bodies.
Thanks!
That’s strange indeed that there s no A mount camera as third-party manufacturers are mostly making A-mount lenses.
It may be very machiavelian from Sony to produce only new E mount cameras when other manufacturers mainly produce A mount lenses. Does they want to increase LA-EA adapters sales?
A-mount lenses from 3rd party manufacturers are mostly a side-product of Canikon Lenses. There is so little extra R&D for A-mount AF adaption, that it pays off for the majority of lenses.
On the other hand, you can not do E-mount adaption in the same way, because AF will work only very bad*
*noisy, stutters, is quite slow
A) as pointed out this is an OLD list. it doesn’t even list items released lat fall so we already know it is obsolete
B) Sony has Pre-announced 2 FF a-mount lenses to answer the negative nellies in 2013 Sony released 4 a-mount lenses last year the did one.. but they also were slow on FE lenses This year we have atleast 2 more lenses coming. The A99 is just over 2 years old. It is not even late in being replaced at this level.
C)Clearly you have never used an A77M2 if you are silly enough to call it a crumb. Its the nest camera Sony ever rleased, by far. It even comes within one stop on noise of the A99 with all its other advanced features.
Large DSLRs are a shrinking market with fewer new users vs replacement users and very brand locked. But if like I did you started to dig though all the investor slides releases earlier this year.. you would realized that the a-mount business is still a large part of their revenue, but it will not grow share. Sony has release 5 bodies in a year, released innocation etc. And the problem is the DSLR market is a “conservative” market the last generation of a design created 50 years ago. It will be around be become more specialized as its size works against all but long lens photography.. But Sony has said clearly it is part of their plan.
I migrated alright, TO NIKON !!!
It is also the youngest of the three originals and barely just gone a year old, calm your farm.
Can you send me the pdf file at sonyalpharumors@gmail.com? Thanks! 🙂
Yes, sure thing. ! 🙂
Thanks!
It’s fake. https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1953/4544/original.jpg Huge success of FE (annouced october 2013) and any word about PS4 (november 2013 in stores)?
Also 2013 is future in this document. (first lines)
time for A99II, A99R, A99S, A88, A85 …. 😛
Maybe not ‘fake’ but it certainly could be a tentative outline, or wish list, that someone at Sony threw together at some point – and essentially meaningless today. There are countless ‘document’s floating around in corporate servers and only the officially endorsed ones matter to outsiders.
If this is legitimate, and if they don’t change plans…. Then it’s official. A-mount is dead. They won’t hold a public funeral, as they will want to sell remaining inventory of A77ii and lenses…. but it’s kind of hard to say that the mount is viable with only a single camera body.
I hope the Sony ups the game on what comes to the cpus of the cameras. Nikon can pull alot more noise reduction from same sized sensors (compare noise performance of D7100 vs A6000) and I bet it’s due to the processing speed. I could be wrong offcourse about what is the key reason for the difference.
R.I.P. Amount 🙁
Yes, it seems like it more and more, Sony give NO attention to the A-mount and if it will, it will come only with the A99 replacement which will be again be a very expensive camera, no good Amount coming below A77II, if ever that A77II one will be replaced ?? or also the last one ?? it seems that way, there’s nevertheless a market for intry level camera’s, only thing is, Sony don’t see that as anough profit !! other brands do !!!
People like you have been singing the funeral derg for a-mount since 2006. Sony will cannibalize Minolta tech and leave us behind. Wrong!
Sony is just going to release more plastic cameras (after A200,300,350) release – Wrong!
Sony will only do low lever A-mount. Wrong! After recession / quake delays in A900 and A700 replacements. Wrong.
Sony has released its last a-mount camera.. (just about a year ago) Wrong!
Sony on purpose pre-announced 2 FF lenses when I officially announced a the 70-300G and only a fool misses the intent of that.. NEW FF a=mount coming nest year… and a-mount still part of our plan.
So really why would you want to BE WRONG AGAIN.. in Public and embarrass yourself like that.
I’d love to share your enthusiasm, since i’m invested in A-Mount and pretty much have nowhere to go. But the number of bodies offered isn’t exactly convincing of it’s long term survival.
How many bodies do you need? How many of the A200,A33, plastic entry level bodies do you need. Look at the quality. The A77M2 is the BEST value in APS cameras. Period.. Get two if you need more bodies. They need lenses. and they have released new lenses for A-mount every year. Trained marketing people at companies like Sigma, Tamron (who may have inside info keep releasing new a-mount products) the end of a-mount has been predicted every year since 2006.. Two few bodies, too many plastic bodies, etc etc. This the best parallel. Apple is the iPhone, iPad now watch company. They by aggressive work created and still dominate the mobile platform segment that is what Sony is doing.. It would be terrible strategy to not build out FF e-mount.. how many competitors do they have? ZERO how many DSLR competitors do they have several and the market share is pretty locked BUT they still need the camera base to have a complete system just like Apple still needs Macs even Mac PRos (though you will never find an AD because that market knows what it wants and doesn’t chose machines based on Ads. And in the end besides tech lust.. what can’t you do with Sony’s current bodies? Better DR and color rendition than Canon, better usability in general than Nikon (though right now Nikon is making better cameras than Canon) Which is worse being a Nikon D300s users now waiting 5 years for a real replacement as plastics and FF abound or Sony A77 users who just under 3 years got a great update… A99 is just over 2 years old.. it will get replaced this year summer through fall with at least 2 more advanced updated FF lenses pre-announced. A-mount is where is always has been a 3rd/4th place platform.. and that will not change.. But e-mount success is paying for R&D that will likely get us a 4K A99MK2 with 5 axis IBIS and 4D focus.. Sony does fewer camera updates but they tend on a-mount to be really good updates vs Canon.. ad a feature and change the number and put it out.
Without reading too far into your rant – I need 1 body, which is a replacement for A65. A77M2 might be the best, but i’m not ready to spend 1k on a camera just yet, considering that I need to replace my flash as well. When it’s down to $800, then we’ll talk.
SO you need a plastic, crippled version of a camera? The A77M2 has been selling for $899 with a grip which you can sell for $200 online so you missed the a $700 A77M2 Not Sony’s fault they made the deals. .. and you were waiting for fewer features and plastic.
Haven’t seen the $899 deal. I remember seeing 1100 with the grip.
Last i checked body only was going for $949.
Features/Plastic of A65 hasn’t proved problematic to me. Sure, the rear dial would have been nice, and a custom Auto ISO, but this isn’t something to pay $200+ for,
Considering I do photography for fun, and it’s mostly family/friends/travel type of stuff, can’t really blame me for looking for a better deal.
And no, Ebay is out of the question as a source for deals. B&H Photo/Video please….
since you do photography for fun, why do you need dual SD card?
I saw it on ebay 699.00 refurbished. Not sure about refurbished, but I did a double take.
I’m a bit afraid of those. You know, never know what was the original issue and whether it will come back or not. I’d prefer extended warranty as well, but i don’t think those qualify for squaretrade.
Look for a used one. I just bought an out of box for 789 for the body, very happy with it.
A mount problem # 1:
There is no customers. Period.
You mentioned A77ii as best value APS-C SLR?
Technically maybe true – especially the AF is said to be ultra fast and very precise by having 12 FPS! Great!!
And now search the net, how it competes against D7200 / 7Dmk2?
There is nobody who compared A77ii – AF to Canikon!
You find tons of comparisons (not just spec-sheet) between 70D / 7Dmk2 / D7200 – but it seems that nobody owns an A77ii.
Yeah there definitely some truth in that.
I guess I am a nobody and it seems that the nobodies that own an A77 on Sony Digital Photography Facebookpage out number everyone else by quite a large margin.
I totally agree with you. I am using A500 since 2009 and is quite happy with it. But yes, whenever Sony will launch the next FF A-Mount, I will definitely but it.
Long Live A-Mount 🙂
Sony dropped the A mount ball. No more bodies big or small. It’s like that drowning pool song…”Let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floooooooor….one, nothings wrong with Sony, two…somethings wrong with Sony.” You see where I’m going with this.
Haha! Nice comparison 🙂
The best Value APS-C is the a6000.
Both are a tremendous value in their respective categories.
I totally agree. They need a-mount for action photography.
Well the planned end of the FF A-mount is now show in an official sony roadmap plan so I guess this settles that. I tried the A7 and while bodies represent good value, their zooms do not and the system is too slow for what I do. When the A850 came out it was a no brainer for me as I had some minolta glass. Now all options are open and I have to say that I am impressed by Fuji for its constantly high quality products and how they have been treating their customers.
I’m a huge fan of Fuji. Fuji’s glass is excellent for the price (18-55mm F2.8-4.0), where many of the Sony E and FE lenses are just plain garbage for the price(Zeiss 18-70mm F4).
The problem, however, is that if you need video, Fuji is terrible. The X-Trans sensor with their processing is amazing for high-ISO stills, but on the flip side video is mind-blowingly horrible. I’m anxiously awaiting the X-Pro2 which is rumored to have 4k. If they fixed the video issues I’d go Fuji in a heartbeat.
How about uncompressed HDMI? Do they have that to work around the Video noise processing onboard and just do it in post?
An A7rII with IBIS, a better shutter and PDAF would be great.
Pretty much man, get rid of that effing shutter, give me IBIS and anything else is gravy.
Wondering if PDAF is a possibility.
99.9% for IBIS and better shutter. PDAF would be nice, but I think chances are below 33%.
Where/how did you find this document?
To be fair, this is from the Oct report, just one month earlier in Sept there was ‘only’ an A6000 replacement for Q1, no mention of the new A7 (a7 II) nor the 6 new FE lenses. This means this report is by no means definitive ‘set in stone’ this is all that is coming. I think these are confirmed products AT THE TIME.
This is a screenshot and shows that these are constantly developing, while these products are certainly coming, that does not mean they are the ONLY products coming.
Can you post a link to this document?
I hoped it would not, but it seems that my prediction is coming true. As Canon hasn’t released its 5d mk4 just yet and Nikon making money for Sony by selling its own sensor, Sony execs look left and right and decide to release its A99mk2 after Canon wakes up, after all, there is neither competition nor potential for profit in that area, so maybe wait a few more month, there is no rush.
The other part of me was hoping for a birthday surprise 🙁
Hopefully this will kill the A7000 vaporware. I have to laugh when people moan about the delay of the A7000, a camera that has never had a decent rumour.
There is still the bet between us:
you: A6100
me: A7000
Yep 🙂
If Sony released A7000 with a body similar to A65/A77, I’d seriously consider switching from A-Mount.
WHo said the A7000 is vaporware?
Sony uses compressed, lossy RAW files…Thus the same sensors in Nikon cameras produce better end results…
But that only affects color gradations, not noise. And on top of that only in lab conditions under a specific scenario. Compressed RAW have nothing to do with High ISO noise. It’s down to sensor construction, and there already have been a few generations of sensors, to show that primarily On-Sensor PDAF adversely affects High-ISO noise.
Personally, i’d take a 24MB compressed RAW vs 36MB uncompressed, when the chances of ever encountering an issue with a compressed RAW in real life are close to 0
Even in RAW D7100 is way ahead A6000; especially high-ISO-noise.
It is not because the Sony-RAW-compression, RAW-compression does not add noise.
0%
It’s from the Sony hack, look it up on wikileaks or in the news or whatever. No one sneaked in a fake alpha launch into a terabyte data theft.
OMG another clueless whine. A77M2 is not a “bone” its the best camera Sony every released and competes well with a camera almost twice its price.. Mommy give me more candy now or you don’t love me.. Rough childhood?
admin, so is the update to A-mount 16-35mm f2.8 canceled?
No, it’s not. All this is just fake… and the leak on wikileaks is from different company
Sony Pictures Entertainment
From the leak – “…discontinue their A-mount full-frame and entry level candidates”.
So probably.
The leak shows document from Ocotber. The new lenses updated have been announced in January 2015! why would they announce new a-mount lenses if the a-mount is dead… A-mount isn’t dead!
you still believe in A-mount?
You misunderstand how large corporations work. The fact they just released 2 a-mount lenses or 10 a-mount lenses doesn’t matter. If marketing/sales/etc. makes a well-reasoned case to Sony executives that they’re better off long term killing a-mount and re-directing that R&D at FE, then a-mount is toast. From the inside at a couple of different tech companies I’ve watched some fantastic products get killed off because of short cited or ill-informed executives making decisions. But once those decisions are made, they won’t be revisited. Maintaining duplicate mount systems is an insane scenario in a shrinking market. It won’t last.
That I 100% agree on.
And on top of that, sometimes executives hear a specific term, and then a similar term for other system and make a decision thinking that it’s all the same. And no matter how much you try to prove them otherwise after that, they’ll just tell you that the decision has been made.
It is much more damaging for a single executive’s reputation to go back on their decision, rather than follow it through and then just leave the company if something doesn’t seem to go right.
We’ve just had that exact case in my current place of employment.
That may be true, but they wouldn’t announce new lenses AFTER making that decision.
Yes, it is.
The same wikke leaks document which mentions the end of A-mount?
https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1953/4544/original.jpg
Well that settles that. Maybe now they’ll release an AX body with good autofocus and a standard zoom that doesn’t depend on a dab of glue to hold it together.
Nice find. The confirmation we’ve been looking for that A mount is toast.
It’s fake!
How *did* you find this doc anyway, I can’t seem to locate it on wikileaks search thing.
Cheap A77II with 70-200/2.8… can’t wait 🙂
Can’t trust wiki- not a reliable source. “Sony will scale back production”- just like every manufacturer is scaling back…”…discontinue their A mount full-frame and entry level ‘candidates.’…say’s who? When? Was the article written before the A77II was released?
IMO, it is fake.
Someone modified the sony document.
If it is real, please provide the link of the document.
Don’t be too sad… RIP A-mount lenses.
A-mount is dead!
That is not a document I found at Wikileaks. So please take that A-mount story with a HUGE scepticism!
“Allegedly, it’s page 345 of Sony’s Fiscal Restructure Plan, found on wikileaks. If it’s a fake, it’s a very well crafted fake.”
The whole paragraph is very logical and of course, killing A-mount makes perfect senses. What Sony has been doing already indirectly told us that A-mount is dead. I am sure the F2.8 zooms will become E-mount and will sell a lot more, again, very logical.
the story on petapixel says both documents are from the sony hack in 2014 so how reliable can either of them be? or did you receive the document from a reliable source?
read it again. it says the second document (end of A mount) is from SAR readers! poor petapixel
The first document is valid. The second is just a reader making fun 🙁
so confirmed no A-mount on the 23rd?
From the document it appears not. But please keep in mind that the document is very old (it’s from October 2014). SO maybe some things changed in the meantime…
hope so… will see on the 23rd i guess
Looks like speculating wrong information about Sony A-Mount is a matter of great interest to you. That means you are not Sony user too. Then what are you doing on Sony rumors site? Is the Sony innovation and success doesn’t let you sleep these days? 🙂
It’s a fake.
Someone edited this document: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201204/12-056E/
The first and last paragraphs in the screenshot are taken from different places from that document without any change:
“March 31, 2012 (“FY11”) to the fiscal year ending March 31, 2013 (“FY12″)), with the aim of reducing fixed business costs related to the television business by 60% and operating costs by 30% in FY13 compared to FY11.”
…
“Game – In the game business, Sony continues to deliver exhilarating entertainment experiences through PlayStation®3, PlayStation®Vita, and its unique combination of hardware, software, PlayStation®Network (“PSN”), and range of accessories and peripherals. These will form the foundations on which Sony will target further sales and”)
The “Digital Imaging Refocus” section is edited from the following:
Digital Imaging – Sony is reinforcing its development of image sensors, signal processing technologies, lenses and other key digital imaging technologies in which it excels, and plans to leverage these technologies in both its consumer products (such as compact digital still cameras, digital video cameras and interchangeable lens digital cameras) and broadcast and professional products (such as professional use cameras and security cameras) in order to further strengthen and differentiate Sony’ overall product line. The Company also plans to extend the use of these key technologies across a wide range of business applications, from security to medical, to further expand the scope of its digital imaging business. Sony will target total sales of 1.5 trillion yen and double-digit operating income margin from the consumer, professional and image sensor businesses by FY14.
There are several mistakes in editing, e.g. single quotation marks are used in ‘Alpha’ whereas double quotation marks are used everywhere else.
In Honor of Sony’s never ending train of camera bodies…I
present to you…the Sony rendition of “Let the Bodies Hit the Floor.”
Let the FE’s hit the floor x4
Beatin (in value)
Why for? (why for?)
A mount can’t take much more.
Here we go here we go here we go now.
1 Nothing wrong with Sony
2 Something wrong with Sony
3) Nothing wrong with Sony
4) Lossy wrong with Sony!
1 Somethings got to give
2 Need dual card slots to live
3 Raw files got to give me now
Let the SLT bodies hit the floor x6
sensor to sensor
adapter to adapter
A mount all by your self
but your not alone
FE wanted in
and now your here
driven by hate
consumed by A mount fear
let the SLT bodies hit the floor x 3
No he is saying a few million A-mount shooters! Who still buy new bodies and lens!
If you gonna buy new body and lenses, there’s no reason to stick with the A-mount.
Just bought a Tamron 150-600mm works great on my A77m2!
What link is working for you? Not for me.
https://wikileaks.org/sony/docs/filelist/
there is no such file or even directory… it’s all fakes!
And it’s a leak from different company, not _this_ sony.
“Long Live A-Mount”*
*Until July
Totally disagree. I shoot my 55mm FE at f/2 in bright light all the time and often need a really high shutter speed. Pop up EVF? Already in the rx100 m3… Stabilization? Also in the rx100 m3. Could do without the ND filter but again, already in the rx100 m3. Surely they can apply a couple of these in the rx1 without added bulk. And what’s confusing about any of those features?
There is a huge difference in sensor size between those two cameras without a big difference in physical dimensions. For stabilization you would need at least the same size and weight gains of the A7mk2 vs the A7. The pop up EVF needs room inside the body. There isn’t that much room in the current Rx1 confit and there would be less with a stabilizer. Could they do it? Sure but there would be trade offs.
True. My original statement still stands that the addition of quicker operation/focus and fast max shutter speed is worth it to me. Any other features whether that’s 1 or 2 of the ones I listed would be even more amazing even with a little added heft.
Because even though let’s say they add IBIS, at least that means one can take quick video clips while traveling versus taking another gadget to do the job.
Or addition of EVF… still beats using (and buying for that matter) one and placing it atop the camera.
I’d tend to agree, https://wikileaks.org/sony/docs/05/docs/fiscalrestructureplan/solutions/Fiscal_Restructuring_Plan_2015.pdf
should be showing up in here if that’s a legit link:
https://wikileaks.org/sony/docs/filelist/05.html
But it’s dead if you click on it and there’s no “fiscalrestructruingplan” in that list. Could be wrong, but fishy
I have not found that document on Wikileaks. For me it’s amost certainly a fake!
The Admin has his own system, and its his blog, so if he wants to call this “SR5” so be it, but this looks suspicious to me. Supposedly this is mined from Wikileaks disclosure of e-mail correspondence stolen from Sony’s Entertainment Group. Not its Consumer Products Division. And it is somewhat dated at this point given how long ago that theft occurred. No doubt information from the Consumer Products Division could spill over to the Entertainment Group, but that is one strike against credibility. I don’t think its completely made up but I also doubt that it is an entirely reliable reflection of Sony’s Consumer Products Division’s present plans. It also seems so sparse as to make me wonder if it represents a complete picture. Surely Sony’s ambitions for its consumer products in the upcoming sales quarter cannot be so limited.
I agree with BrianK!
Secondly, an A99 replacement is not due until Fall. The A99 just hit the 2.5 year mark in May, as the A99 was in-stores November 2012, and full frame A-mount cameras are traditionally released in 3-year cycles. However, I would LOVE a radically improved A-mount camera released early in time for sports season this summer!
Well said.
Denial is a powerful force
amen
It also says that the camera will ship before June but the document clearly says that the row being referenced is Q1, FY15. But according to the column header Q1 FY 15 is April May AND June. So if that document is correct, then the cameras could ship by the end of June, not the end of May and still be on track, according to that document.
I posted a new article on SAR. Please read it!
do I understand correctly that we will not see a7sII this year?
Article says the schedule until June.
It may come out later this year…or not
Well, if they didn’t see it as being profitable any more, Sony wouldn’t have released A3000 and A5000 series, but they did. It’s just that A-Mount low-mid end somehow magically stopped being profitable.
I dont understand why they would kill A mount and then bring out 2 revamped versions of the legendary Zeiss lenses? its a little strange to me.
A-Mount isn’t dead yet. And will stay as such until Sony officially kills it.
On one hand I’d like it to live and prosper, because I can keep getting the body upgrades for my kit going forward.
On the other hand, I want them to kill the A-Mount tomorrow, so that I could get A77II or A99 body + 70-200/2.8 for dirt cheap.
I would love to get the 70-200 II for cheap, but I would rather get an ultimate A99II that will blow everyones minds! Lets wait and see.
I would like that too!
Unfortunately it doesn’t go quite like that. Just look at the pricing on legacy 4/3s glass…
Legacy 4/3 glass can still be used on MFT system, just like A glass on E mount through LA-EA3. On top of that, old stock of 4/3 glass is still being sold by B&H and other stores.
Unlike the open format of the 4/3 and MFT systems, I highly doubt that E-Mount users would be after A-Mount lenses as much, unless Sony releases a properly updated LA-EA5. I also doubt that stores would have such quantities of lenses available, as they have for 4/3 system.
It is officially and trully dead…see cameraegg
Lol @ see “cameraegg”.
Their source is some guy in this thread.
How does it make perfect sense? You don’t know how much money Sony is making off A-Mount, so everything is nothing but speculation.
SAR_Admin is there any word on specs of a implementation of a 3.5mm mic input jack that will be a feature on the successor A6xxx so video users can use third party external mic for recording better sound (e.g. Rode Shotgun VideoMic). Lastly do you know if there will be a swiveling LCD screen feature where selfie vloggers can swing the screen out facing them to monitor if they are in frame while recording video? For example like the Canon T3i-T6s Rebel series.
I see that now, people on photography forums are crazy lol.
This IS the WORST table FAKE ever
come on
it is already wrong in the past 6 months lol
Sony has been advancing at the bare minimum pace for too long and now they will have to pay the price.
Thier last golden egg, the sensor division has now fallen behind the competition in every catagory.
A company called Light will be releasing 52mp sensor cameras for smartphones in 2016
Canon has the first 50mp ff sensor.
Samsung has a 28mp bsi sensor that outperforms any Sony apsc sensor
Nikon has put a 20.8mp bsi sensor in the Nikon 1 j4 that will outperform any exmor 1″ or 4/3 inch sensor.
Sony’s day’s of being king of sensors is over…the sleeping giant has slept too long!
We’ll see. It’s all cat & mouse game.
Look at Intel and AMD… AMD briefly got ahead of Intel in ’03-’06, and then Intel struck back with Core 2 design, followed by Core i. Ever since then, AMD couldn’t catch up. Same goes for Nvidia and ATI, although these guys have been at it for two decades and there’s still no clear winner.
Sony is the biggest sensor manufacturer by volume, and they have contracts everywhere. The $$$ that they could use for R&D can’t be matched by any other sensor manufacturer.
We’ll see… So far I only saw NX1 vs A77II comparison, and A77II is crippled by a mirror-in-light-path.
RX100 ISO has also continuously improved with every iteration.
I’m not defending Sony here, but just saying that we shouldn’t jump to conclusions.
there is truth in this, but its not over yet.
Its over for A mount!
That is such a nonsense statement. A canon sensor that has poor DR and noise performance, and you know as well as anyone that Sony’s 50mp sensor is just around the corner. A random pie in the sky phone camera kick starter (that will have to use a Sony sensor in it..) and 2 brand new image sensors in the market up against a 3 year old Sony APSC sensor. Conveniently no mention of anything full frame, which Sony still owns or medium format sensors which Sony controls the market…..put your toys back in cot dude.
Based on this timetable there will be no 50mp sensor soon..just a 36mp a77rii.
The other sensors I mentioned far outperform the equivelent Sony sensors…competitors are using bsi sensors for 1″ amd apsc while Sony is still using exmor.
Sony sensor dominance is not a done deal…and the false assumption that it is , is precisely what puts it in jeopardy.
Sony clearly no longer makes the best sensors in several catagories.
Can Sony catch back up….only if they actually start putting some effort into it.
Killing of A mount …as it clearly appears has actially happened, at least for the foreseable future…will turn out to be the downfall of Sony.
Sony cannot maintain mirrorless dominence.
Already Samsung makes the highest rated mirrorless apsc camera..hampered only by thier poor lens selection.
Nikon 1 will now be the best 1″ sensor camera with the new j5 and future v version…they already make the single best lens for this class of camera, the 70-300 nikon 1lens.
Sony may recover the tech lead, but as for now they have most definitely lost it.
Yeah that is what your BS tantrum is actually about isn’t it…..no A-mount.
http://www.cameraegg.org/bad-news-sony-a-mount-full-frame-entry-level-to-be-discontinued/
Actually I just bought a j5 and a d5500.
And a Nikon 1 70-300 lens.
I have never considered switching to E mount
Oh well good luck with that.
The 1″ sensor in the RX100II onwards has been a BSI chip.
You are correct, I had not realized that.
By the way..no one “has to use a Sony sensor”
They are not the only game in town, and currently there is better stiff out there than current sony sensors.
Is Sony totally outclassed..no…but many of thier products are now outclassed, and most alarmingly many of those outclassed products are Sony sensors.
http://www.cameraegg.org/bad-news-sony-a-mount-full-frame-entry-level-to-be-discontinued/
The big secret is out, A mount is dead.
” the sensor division has now fallen behind the competition in every catagory.” That’s a lot of hyperbole. The D7100 sensor is built by Toshiba; most accounts have the D7200 sensor being a Sony sensor since it matches the physical chip dimensions of the Sony APS-C 24mp sensor. Nikon gets more out of the Sony sensors than Sony does for a number of reasons that are questionable choices by Sony. Also, Sony uses a 1″ BSI sensor int he RX 100 Mk III and that has been out for quite a while.
Barry, I realize Sony’s recent releases may seem slow, but that’s only compared to how they’d taken innovation in the few years prior.
The 52mp smartphone… poor choice for a phone cam. (well, poor choice using today’s and the near future’s technology anyway)
Canon did a poor job with their 50mp sensor, Sony SHOULD be able to do better, and that’s supposed to arrive shortly.
Samsung… that one’s pretty legit, but only if you shoot Raw, (as I certainly do) and while the lens line up is limited, the ones they do have sound pretty good. Also, similar to Sony, with Samsung you can adapt most legacy lenses to it.
In the J4, the sensor will probably outperform Exmor 1″, but if it outperforms Exmor R (BSI) you can bet it will be Nikon’s processing that makes the difference. And don’t forget this rumor mentions a new RX series camera, there’s a good chance the sensor in that will be the same as the J4, or an Exmor R (BSI) M/43 that will undoubtedly out-do the one in the J4
D7200/D5500 are most likely Sony sensors too, and I wouldn’t be surprised if soon, (A6100/A700) Sony brings out a BSI APS-C sensor. (Thanks to competition from Samsung)
I’m not going to try predicting the future, but most of it looks pretty promising.
Not only from Sony, but from other manufacturers too.
ive said it before and ill say it again… this year i would love to see before the end of times, a pro level A99s (sports ans low light) and A99r (resolution) … i need to relinquish my first world problems with instant purchases of two such machines… this year sony please and let emount rest for a bit. 😉
Thank god that crippled dinosaur A mount is being put down. How many of us knew this would be the better way… instead sony wasted such a lot of money and time and also gave false hope to those who can’t think for themselves. Better late than never..
Thank goodness that crippled dinosaur A mount is being put down. How many of us knew this would be the better way… instead sony wasted such a lot of money and time and also gave false hope to those who can’t think for themselves. Better late than never..
Sure thing! This is the doc I screenshot:
https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/59051
That is for September and as I said does not include things like A7 II, A7 (new one), new RX, new A6000, new FE lenses etc. The one admin posted is from October and does include those so the ones from November, January etc could easily include other things such as A-Mount.
Here is the admins doc:
https://wikileaks.org/sony/emails/emailid/120923
Admin, this is quite a bit of ‘stoking the fire’ of A-Mount is dead, but does in NO WAY demonstrate that. It ONLY demonstrates that back in October Sony had plans to release these products. If you posted the same report from September you could just as easily say ‘no E-Mount, RX or A-Mount cameras coming, FE lenses cancelled’. It is obviously excellent information on what IS coming but says nothing at all about what is NOT coming.
The November report for example could have said ’15 new A-Mount cameras and 30 A-Mount lenses’ just as easily as these were added.
I’ve no doubt Sony is planning a flagship A-mount to be released. And honestly the longer they take the better. I love my A99 but it feels so much like a prototype than a mature camera, from the firmware to the focusing. If it takes them longer to develop a good a-mount I’m happy to wait. That being said I also own an A7s and I already noticed the responsiveness of the firmware and it’s focusing with the LA-EA4 adapter is better than the a99. So I’m not only optimistic of an a-mount coming I’m optimistic that it’ll be a fantastic camera.
I agree completely.
Rx20 w/ uhd to compete with canon and panasonic’s bridge cameras?
New Walkman? Sony’s still got my attention, but if it comes up with something as ugly as that ZX2 again…
What I don’t get is if there will be a pro mirrorless (a9) coming or not? Obviously the a7rII is a natural successor, not a new line.
A very strange question. So if my primary camera use is friends and family, its Ok for me to lose files?
I was talking about A77ii, not A77. According to that list it has not been sold, explaning why I can not find any head to head comparisons with 7Dmk2 and similars…
This video tells you, that mirrorless cameras can not do fast focus tracking because of the mirrorless concept at all. That is the essence of my critics.
cant wait any longer!
Yes for both :… Your question makes me think you are using silver bromide plate for your photographies ;)…indeed coding colours on 24bits is more interesting than 8bits if you want a larger colours panel ( if i can say that in english)
I did.