A long time source got information that the new Sony A7rII is coming with a 50 Megapixel sensor. I am right now asking him when the camera will be announced and how it looks. Stay tuned, got the feeling he can tell me more and that the camera is coming sometimes…soon 🙂
Stay yuned, I hope I can finally give you 99% reliable info on the camera soon!!!!
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and have every photo take up 150 MB? no thanks
It’s an option, not necessity.
Every camera has a menu option to downsample on the fly.
Yes, you can, but then why buy a 50MB cam ?
To have more choice. 50 mp camera can produce both 12 mp and 50 mp files whereas 12 mp camera can do only 12 mp
Wrong. 12 mp can do 3 mp. Get your facts straight.
You do realize we’ve had control over res. for several generations now.
Unless of course, you want to shoot RAW. At which point, you just need to buy the camera that suits you. As for the rest of us, 150mb files is hardly an issue these days with SSD’s, thunderbolt and very fast SD cards.
First Blood! 😉
If it has 5 axis IBIS like A7-II and if they release a new A-to-E adapter with the A77-II’s AF, I will buy it to replace my bevoved A850.
Wouldn’t it be logical to introduce new sesnor technolgy in the A9 pro camera and charge a premium and put the new 50MP Bayer sensor into the A7rII? Thats if Sony are to introduce next generation none Bayer sensors in 2015, as previously rumoured
What about IBIS or a new shutter that doesn’t vibrate?
Wake me when a non-crippled camera with a non a7s type sensor comes out.
Why do you come to SAR then?
One’s heart can be broken by a cruel mistress but still need her. Sony sensors are the only game in town and they know it.
BS.
Crippled cameras?
Incredible a7s sensor marketed primarily for low light and 4k but only does 8 bit out and requires a bulky mass larger than the camera its self to record the footage. Camera body was too small to do justice to the sensor.
I’ll buy 2. Seriously.
To have 100mp?? It does not work that way.
A99ii at the same time?! Maybe not, would be a blow to a-mount.. unless it has IBIS – then maybe don’t need to wait for another a-mount FF..
Yes a new ff amount whould be bliss!
I can only dream of a 50mp A-mount
But I’m fairly certain Sony is finished with this line personally.
Whatever the case, I have no issues migrating to a mirorless e-mount system, though I worry that I’ll miss the feel or a large camera in my hands.
Have no worries, they introduced large A3000 when they reduced number of A-mount cameras, and the same will happen with high end FF bodies.
who needs 50mpx ? for what to do ? come on !
I think it would be great for 32mpx 8K video (in the future), or full color information for 4K.
8K? Distant future in my opinion. I can’t imagine people benefitting from 8k over 4k displays or TVs. Even 4k TVs are overkill for most. Consider the usual viewing distance, the eyesight which degrades with increased age (not to speak of the quality of the TV program itself). Maybe for extracting pics directly out of the video. But then, what about future of photography? With software improvements and 8k video skills probably deteriorate significantly, I guess.
in the digital age, many users zoom in when they view photos
also useful for telephoto reach
I perfectly understand it as a goal for video producers, for situations you describe. But would it be worth all the investment, if the mass market wouldn’t be involved at all?
Where I live, they try to market 4k as the future (it was 3D before, now people aren’t that enthusiastic any more) and want to sell 4k TVs. It most probably is. In my opinion, they want to replace content with technology, as people initially think great, movie looks much nicer on an 4k screen (which usually is much bigger, too). But as soon as they get acquainted it is content which counts. But here not much is changing (most people according to polls don’t concentrate fully on the movie at home anyway , as they check their smartphones, grab foot, etc.). After a certain resolution it doesn’t matter anyway in my opinion.
I don’t care about video producers. Just me, I’d be happier I my large sensored camera had same telephoto reach with 50mm as P&S with 4-53mm zoom does.
8k will be available by 2020 and 36mp wont be sufficient.
Hes back, with a new avatar! and whats more, his absence only means they can be authentically lazy with their trolling because hes, you know, busy at work! how ironic they are in their behaviour!
And here you’re talking about him… is the subject really worse than the student?
I’m the master photographer with an A7R and ideas that shadow others photography were it not for the fact that my wonderful experience of the use of cameras allows me to yet enlighten even some nihilists as they make my life worse for no reason..
This is great. Can you show us your art? I am a beginner and would really like to learn from a master.
Data rates are too low as is… they need to catch up to even make the most of 1080p… forget 4k. Uncompressed 4K would probably be better than compressed 8k.
Only becouse you dont need it does not mean that nobody needs!
I would need footage for a large format print approx 6m x 12m with 72 DPI.
I would be happy to sell the Client this print and he would pay for it.
Maybe in a few years this would be easier. As for now this seems like an impossible task.
And it doesn’t help when people say, that “nobody” needs more than this or that resolution. There will allways be the need or “more” and “better”!
FF 50MP is meant to make Medium Format obsolete, which for example so far still is preferred to photograph this sort of posters you find in hairdresser shops, where fine details and skin tones are essential. Whoever needs shis quality will pay for camera and lenses – while for most people a lower pixel count with IBIS will make much more sense, of course.
Please stop talking about medium format. You clearly have no clue about that subject.
Well, checking genotypewriter here proofs that most of your comments shows your own limitation on attacking others personally instead of spreading any useful information.
I find it a personal attack when people who don’t know a subject go claiming things instead of asking qnd learning first.
Very few people need” high res. digital camera’s these days.
But I would sure love to own one 🙂
What would I do it with?
I will shoot lanscapes, people, and night skies with it.
Then I will print wonderful large prints on metal.
What would anyone want a 50pm FF sensor you ask?
Because we can’t afford a MF one.
Always the same question. Come on people. People said that about the 24MP on the Alpha 900 back in 2008. People said that about the 36MP on the Nikon D800/D800E. Nowadays people complain that 12 MP of an A7s is too few. That they love the fantastic results of an A7R or D800/D800E/D810. Please stop with this stupid “who needs this”… There are people who will WANT it, that is what counts. In Germany we have a saying “haben ist besser als brauchen” which translates to “to have something is better than to need it”. There ARE advantages to high megapixel beasts. You might not need it. Me neither. But don’t talk for everybody, there are interested customers, and that is ok as well.
I see even more people turning down the a7r and d810 in favor of the a7 and d750, because the 36mp was indeed excessive, was clogging up workflow, etc. I’ve seen many buyers “downgrade” upon finding the 36mp cameras to be excessive. Those 36mp cameras are useful for a narrow niche of customers and uses.
Shooting jpeg in such a situation and simply reducing the size in a batch operation totally moots whatever point you are making 😀 But nice try.
they would also look fantastic, as the natural quality would shine through having remained neutral but now with super condensed luminosity 😀
Actually, heres first strike upon users of less megapixels..i bet you can get no better than a reduced jpeg from A7R in your processing hahahahaha This way you can prove both your ability to process correctly and further more that you even have a point against users of the best cameras available for image quality. I can do this stuff too, for utility, there’s no problem with it. The real problem is my intuitive photographic authentic objectivity for naysayers and hipstertechnophobes and the sort XD
Doesn’t moot anything. Then you’re stuck with jpegs when you want raw files.
In the end, it’s about compromises. However they are advancing the technology, higher mp means worse ISO performance, worse buffer performance, worse burst rate, slower performance, than if you applied all the same technology to a lower mp camera.
If given a choice of: a7+++ 1 stop better ISO, 10 fps with AF, 100 file buffer, and 24mp files, or a7r with no ISO, buffer or burst improvement, but 50mp… I’d take the first camera every time.
And I’m not alone. The a7s and a7ii outsell the a7r. The d750 outsells the d810.
There is indeed a market for high mp, but it’s a smaller niche market.
If you want RAW get a FAST enough COMPUTER geeze!
No it doesn’t mean worse ISO performance, Sony A7S is MORE expensive for LESS resolution to aquire that advantage.
Buffer? jpeg…in relation to not having a computer to process the 36MP raw files that is…
How fast must the camera shoot, like really? for adequate use.. i require speed too, its JUST that i don’t require sports type speed, who does who couldn’t as well shoot jpeg or get a system JUST for that purpose instead.
The only faster computer is windows or apples trash can the. I say this because I have a fully maxed iMac 5k(7R)and have the disappointments.
Fully maxed? Doing what if i may ask?
Presently, just working with 7r raws. Haven’t done any work in ae, pr etc yet. The real chugging occurs in C1 with PS being a bit better. I think there are performance gains in c1 to be had as its behavior is a bit buggy with the browser registering changes prior to the viewer.
Maxed as in fast cpu/video card/32GB ram/512SSD. I complain because the lag from pulling a slider, such as the Exposure Slider, will take between 2 and 5 Mississippi counts, to render the change and come back into focus. Occasionally it does perform a bit better which tells me there are some software gains to have but presently(through the activity monitor) C1 at least is straight buckling the CPU.
You need a more efficient raw converter.
yea…but I like c1. Still haven’t installed lightroom…might play around with it a little if this snowstorm hits as hard as they say. Still, its frustrating for a brand new, maxed brand new system with this screen is having these issues.
What does the screen have anything to do with it? Also it should only take 275MB of ram to keep a 14 bit raw file and 16bit full res tiff of a 37MP project in memory… with just 4GB of free ram you can simultaneously edit ~15 projects. Raw adjustment speed depends how well the editor parallelises across multiple cores.
Which is why i said your issue is the software… not the machine or the camera.
While that may be true it doesn’t change the fact that the cull/retouch process is ass at the moment. While i dig c1, I’m not married to any software or camera for that matter. Since you say it’s software, what would you suggest as an alternative? Dxo? I mean apart from phase one and Adobe what else is there?
Which is fine. They can use the a7. Or whatever. There are new two cameras which fill that smaller file slot. What we need is the bigger file camera to have significantly better af, loose the random soft shot thing, and for me…a shutter button similar to the 7s. ie: loose the 1/8th of a second lag. The new camera will be purchase due to these upgrades..not file size.
Right now, the 7r is great, when it’s not being wonky. all camera are wonky in one regard or another. This is just a bit too much.
People don’t mind the more MP, they just don’t want to sacrifice other things like speed and price.
In many cases that may be true. But in many cases, I’ve seen people regret the larger mp cameras, as the size clogs up their workflow. A-mount blogger Kurt Munger got the a7r, and then said the files were too big and he should have gotten the a7. Disney photo blogger Tom Bricker shot with the d810 but is switching to the d750, again because the files were just too big. When you do a lot of post processing, even with a fairly fast computer, 36mp files can really slow down your workflow.
The worry with such a version is it will be another ‘but’ camera. As in, the A7 is fantastic, but the shutter is in an awkward place and focus is slow; the A7r is fantstic, but when trying to do certain things there is shutter shock…
You read reviews of the A7II and they almost universally say, much better than the A7, but…which is why I’m not upgrading
As has been mentioned in regard to this possibility, you don’t have to use the 50mp (except you do in RAW). However, even if it comes to fruition, how long will it be before we hear the ‘buts’? Of course, if Sony manage to pull one out of the bag and there aren’t any, 50mp or not, it would fly off the shelves.
Peter, every camera, every product whatsoever is invariably a case of “but.”
Just so. I suppose it’s the degree of ‘but’, though!
The greatest arguments always revolve around those that promise so much, indeed are fabulous a lot of the time, yet have the biggest ‘but’!
(Should I write biggest ‘but’?…LOL)
Really dont understand what you are going to do with 50 MP of image….the processing it requires everytime….how much are you going to crop….this megapixel race is going out of proportions with Canon also planning to come out with even higher pixels…. and despite this the low MP a7s seem to sell well. The 12MP sensor was not a choice but more of a technical limitation for its 4k, but that camera was a great reminder for a better ISO performance rather than resolution, people buying for its ISO performance alone and its street shooting capabilities gave it a special rank in the FE system. Hope Sony think in this direction as well.
Another problem is the size of the FE system. What started as an alternative compact full frame system seems to go in the opposite direction with many lenses being so massive. The A7II being 600 grams is like a 150 grams away from other full frame. Sony should have prioritsed in compact lens design rather than feeding people’s faster glass craze. This system’s nature should be its compactness otherwise whats the difference between it and A mount and other mounts. The AF is definitely not up to par with dslr standards, at least they should focus on decreasing system size proportions.I am sure the AF line will be over with A9 though.
I will shoot landscape and love every minute of it!
You cannot please everyone. I like the way, Sony is going.
They exaclty want to please everyone with a7, a7r and a7s my friend
Which FF camera weight around 600g while offering IBIS? The only one I can think of is Sony. If you don’t like the extra weight, you can always choose A7.
A7 is defintely a small nice camera showcasing the compactness and full frame sensor, but its a first generation product with its handling imperfections which got addressed in A7II. You are right regarding the A7II being only full frame with IBIS. but its AF don’t seem at par with dslr standards and when you pay 2000 usd, you definitely need more than decent AF. I am sure it will be taken care in A7III and A9.
Also the upcoming FE lens designs are quite huge except 28 f2. Sony has to take care in making them compact compared to dslr counterparts and do something like loxia series with AF and really why do you need 24-240 which seems so bulky. Could have shortened the zoom ratio and make it compact. Simply put its so dumb making big lenses on a small body.
Frankly, who need 50MB of resolution apart of a few pro ? I find that 36MB are already overwhelming. It will just clog your NAS in a wimp..
i think we do really want sony to improve focus and solve shutter shock problem
Do you have any information about the upcoming A7000??
If he had he would post it. And he will post it soon. No need to ask about that in a A7R-II thread.
Yes.. We need A7000 news..
Agreed..
Already the talk of “50mpx noise is going to be unusable” and “who needs 50 mpx?”! haha If you dont want to buy it, don’t buy it. Its not a megapixel race, its called evolving technology!
People are all like “yeah sure I’ll definitely buy this camera” now but when it comes they’ll be like “i read the reviews and thought about it a lot but i wont buy because digilloyd thinks the box is too unfriendly to open and he has started a petition against Sony”.
As I said, it’s a great camera, but…!
I’m hoping for a huge ‘great’ and tiny little ‘but’.
Now that was a laugh 😉 Thanks !
Not to mention the battery shake (not yet invented, but with a little effort, who knows … )
Also… It might be more expensive than most believe.
“jawn” where is the 4K (internal) a7000, otherwise Sammy is really tempting.
A 50MP sensor for the A7S II would be great as it would make the A7S both a great video AND photo camera (from 12MP to 24MP).
We should stop considering the base resolution required as at the point at which it is most limited otherwise from sensor, and instead consider what resolution sensor would give us maximum resolution when all things otherwise considered the potential is there to ever have it. With in body stabilizer and modern glass…the potential is already there for incredible resolutions.
I love high resolution!
Me too 🙂 Even for small images, downsampling produces lovely smooth tones. Can’t wait 🙂
Sensors should always outresolve the lens. That eliminates the need for AA filter.
And it also makes ‘softness’ more analogue as you see the lens behavior.
Sensors should never out resolve my computers processing power!
My iMac 5k is sitting in the other room trembling as it sweats a bit with the 7r’s files
My cheaper but faster PC is shrugging its shoulders 😉
not really an option. All of my computers, as well as all of the computers at the studio I work for are Mac’s. Also, your PC isn’t cheaper when you add the monitor.
Depends on the monitor. I’m perfectly happy with my EGA 16-colour 13″ CRT. 😉
Ahh. Glad your working with something you like. I’d claw my eyes out on a 13″.
For anything but a tether tool…
So much no. So much.
Err, not really. Loss of resolution is not always graceful …
The lens need not be so ‘sharply contrasted’ were it used on higher resolution sensors..moot.
50mp? What a waste. I would much rather it had the A77II´s AF system and IBIS.
One thing doesn’t rule out the other…
What do you think the chances are of an e-mount/mirrorless camera getting a dedicated off-sensor PDAF module?
50 mpix is probably great and all, but what’s the point as long as they don’t fix their awfull RAW compression. Seriously, Sony. There’s color-banding in a $1700 camera.
As an absolutly SONY Fan and User of some SONY Cams I’m waiting for this upcomming “Hammer-Cam”,hope its comming soon this year,than Canon and Nikon can go to the Mars
Greetings from TIROL,AUSTRIA
You misspelled Australia. And you made a factual mistake, because there’s no place called Tirol in Australia.
He meant Austria in Europe?
Can’t tell if serious.
I am not surprised.
Thanks. The commentaries just went from silly to hilarious.
On Mars there is no place called Australia
A7II = A9???
Punkshhhhh – this was the sound of Barry opening the bottle of champagne he keeps for the 50MP sensor 🙂
Nikon have announced that they will come out with a 50Mp camera, and their sensors come from Sony. So it stands to reason that Sony wil use the same sensor. My guess is that the Sony-Nikon agreement is that Nikon use the sensor in DSLRs and not mirrorless, and Sony vice-versa. So, yes, there should be a 50Mp Sony Mirrorless. Let’s hope that other parameters (DR, noise, colours) at least don’t get worse because of the increased resolution, and that Sony cure some of the ills and make better choices (lossless RAW)
Very interesting and very reseanable up to me your comment ! Less your final … , again imho, as well as mirrorless alphaX are going to “make pro-like IQ easy” with high tech. I do not think cRAW on mirrorless cameras will be abandoned, because of the same reason.
Now if only there were great lenses about to serve such high resolution 😉
unless its a stacked sensor, i would not be very optimistic about the high ISO performance
50MP means only 15% smaller pixels (squared) and the technology has had 3 years to evolve. I wouldn’t be so sure.
I do hope wake-up time and shutter noise are not proportional to the pixel count as they seem to have in the A7 range …
A 36mpix RX2 with built-in VF and tilting screen please. I’ll buy it the day it becomes available.
hahahahahah
awesome !
lenses?
No A-mount, no buy.
so the “we want 50mp” morons are celebrating now…All that was needed is to fix the shutter shock, improve the weather sealing, ergonomics & AF and the A7r would be perfect
The A7R was first in the line of a whole load of amazing Sony advancements, and you say ‘All’ as if you can retrospectively state that the second ever super high resolution compact camera wont have those ‘issues’ fixed. Fixing those ‘issues’ might stop your kind of morons from ever even buying the cameras by making them more expensive a ‘compromise’ for you.
well, more mps somehow indicate even bigger problems with implementing a decent shutter. Higher noise can also be expected. the 50mp will really limit the camera for landscape/studio (36 seems like the upper limit for so-so universal camera)…and I would like to see the lens which will handle such a massive resolution (just look how weak the 16-35 and 70-200 are performing on a 36mpix sensor)
They put sensor stabilizer into a Sony compact 35mm camera, they can ultimately solve the shutter dampening.
Im not really sure that IBIS a cure for this…and what about my other concerns?
a or e mount I don’t care till it s a game changer;)…. Moreover if innovating means to get heavier mirrorless camera, then let’s make it “but” not too much either. Mirrorless camera was not created to lighten camera only, is it? A99 II ( more native lenses available) or A7R II or A9, may the best win…
PS: A7r II is not A9 !!! Indeed why keeping same sensor for A7 II and upgrading it for A7R II ( previous rumors said A9 had brand new sensor, elementary my dear SAR readers;)
Cameras are much more than sensors. Does this make your question moot?
Lol you’re lost in my greatness
OMG that’s copying! But i actually am, as i demonstrate in every argument.
Like a moth copies a flame
Like one who is useless with metaphor in both language and the imitation of real life: photography.
I never said so then your statement is moot
Maybe you could be more precise in your statement…
Nothing wrong to have a mirrorless camera a bit heavier like with A7 II compared to A7, u can still carrying it in a bag and you have extra feature for 150 g more.
Now about the hypothesis A7R II is not A9, it’s just a deduction from the previous rumors….
Now i understand that the message is too long for you to read 😉 but the meaning was the same in the first post 😉
It is a question, not a statement. One more question: do you take pictures?
No i don’t take pictures, i just post on SAR site…or maybe with my mobile phone 😉
i have a Sony A6000 in my bag with me( a prime on+ the small zoom kit lens) when i m out for work( as i m librarian). Then carrying a camera as big as the sony A7 II won’t be an obstacle like with most DSLR or bridge camera ( Fujifilm HS10). Does it answer your question?
So you shoot books?
Only God knows
I wish they introduced the A7SII, that is the camera I’m waiting for! I’d even be OK with just upgrading with the IBIS of the A7II.
Yep, with 4:2:2 10bits 4K and S-Log3 !
I’ve loved all my Sony cameras but they haven’t always loved me back, 2 out of 3 dying on me in very inconvenient locations. The prospect of being able to replace my A7r with something new is great. And IBIS, with the new generation of F/1.4, now that’s going to be fun !
Andrea, any idea whether the sensor shift mega-mega-pixel mode used by Hassie and Olympus will see the day here ? Or is that an A9 feature ? 😉
Thanks for the great (potential) news, anyway 🙂
What kind of latitude is there for that shift in 35mm camera lenses optimized for compactness?
Well, a pixel is 5 micron wide. 10 pixel shifts are 50 micron, about the width of a humain hair (depending on race, age and hair location) so we should be fine.
Yes, if all you want is more vignetting. Unless the mount articulated too like a tilt-shift?
You don’t know what they’re talking about, do you?
Not only that but i also know who the politicotroll is.
The A7R II will get the same improvements over its predecessor, as the A7 II got. In other words, no new sensor.
That hasn’t been the rumor all summer.
it’s nearly Feb and still no news of A99II?
How many users really need 50mpx and how many user will be happy with good 16mpx
Even 8-12 mpx is enough for me. But guess what? I can crop that from original pictures and in that way all of my lenses become zoom-lenses. In the end I need fewer lenses.
Perspective won’t be the same if cropped. A tele lens compresses the perspective while a wide angle stretches it.
Wrong. Perspective will change only if you change position. Maybe you want to say deep of field or something else.
She’s actually right. Tele lenses and wide lenses do alter the natural perception of distances. Even if you shoot from the same position, and then crop the pic taken with the tele lens, your are not going to have the exact same perspective.
SteveGJ explain better than me what is perspective.
She’s actually wrong. Yes, you are going to have the exact same perspective.
Nope. You are going to have the same angle of view. But with tele lenses the distances (from you to infinity) will look reduced, and objects will look closer, while with wide lenses the distances will look larger, and objects further apart (and e.g. mountains less impressive, apartments larger than they actually are – and that’s why real estate ppl will show you pics made with wide-angle lenses). That is the proper, technical definition of “perspective”, as opposed to “angle of view”, which is often considered to be the same thing, while in fact it is not.
Angle of view is determined by focal length.
Perspective is determined by the position of the photographer.
“But with tele lenses the distances (from you to infinity) will look reduced, and objects will look closer…”
That is due to the cropping effect of zooming in. The angle of view reduces, giving the impression of being closer to a subject, but that is not the same thing as perspective.
Perspective is absolutely nothing to do with focal length. The only thing that matters is the position of the photographer with respect to the
subject.
Hm, it is a great news! Well, of course, if Sony want to go ahead with MILC, then it has to go with a new Sensor! The 50MP Sensor is great … look at Pentax 645z and IQ250!
And with IBIS it will be awesome!
Of course all have a7r it will not give more image quality!
And all of a99 have to wait, or Sony will declare to discontinue a DSLR series!
Hope tha a7rII will come february or march?…..
DSLR is already discontinued … feels like ages… and 50MP on FF isn’t the same quality as on medium format… no lens so far available to resolve the 36MP…
Then they will be glad to sell us new lenses
If I had a 50mp FF A7/A9 camera, I think I’d be more excited by the prospect of a crop mode with ~22mp than actually having 50mp to play with in FF mode.
Or being able to crop to other aspect ratios and Focal Lengths too presumably….
You mean crop to different fields of view (not focal lengths).
And please don’t talk about medium format unless you’ve learned to use it properly.
Have you learned to use it properly?
Look me up. Google is your friend.
Also google how to register a username… my students have more than a 2 digit iq so you’re confused.
Google shows me that you are a mediocre photog. Sure, that’s bound to be an omonimy?
Rofl google is a search engine. It doesnt create new analysis. I can’t believe how you people figure how to turn a computer/tablet on with you level of functioning.
Here kid, I’ll make it easy for you, try this: https://www.google.com/search?q=genotypewriter&biw=1140&bih=789&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=fzrGVIyoGsrFPZv0gcAD&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg
Or this: https://www.google.com/search?q=genotypewriter&biw=1140&bih=789&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=fzrGVIyoGsrFPZv0gcAD&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&gws_rd=cr#tbm=isch&q=genotypewriter+flickr
See the crappy pictures? Or do you want to say they are great? Or even good?
LoL some of those aren’t even mine. You really don’t know how to use a computer do you, old timer? Never too late to learn.
What do you know about photography? Nothing. If you’re serious about learning, email me… same name at gmail.com
I see, that was someone else. A classic…
There she blows – HMS Talentless – ROFL, LOL, 😉
Learn how to register a username. All your comments are left at the same time under a different username. If you can’t even figure that out, it’s no surprise that you have no clue about photography.
You are actually pretty friggin’ crap you know. Why you cannot see this is perhaps the reason why you think you are actually qualified to teach this subject. Just Sayin’
Lol what’s amusing is you people come here to talk about cameras like you know what photography is about. Really, you shouldn’t be here… go and learn the subject first.
I don’t usually crop.
you can get more than the APSC area from some APSC lenses, you could figure that in, seeing as its probably still best to shoot all the image and crop the APSC after: hence i wish that Sony would add a flexible framing geno whatever.
This one all but covers 35mm camera sensor:
sigma 30mm 1.4
the old sigma 50mm 1.4 has more like a true normal Focal length (46mm i think and reasonable rendering i believe) genotype, yeah thanks, its ok that’s what i’m for…
exactly, the 22mpix crop would be my motivation for such a cam, too.
A7RII instead of A7000 in addition to A7 is my vision.
I cannot wait to see the blurry corners from my 24~70mm in even higher resolution.
One lens, or a remark upon Sonys E mount lens output thus far in general :I
I cant wait to see my Zeiss 55mm 1.8 at that resolution and no squinting into the pixels to try and ascertain its maximal point. Will that render almost as well as Medium Format would..for real? idk.
MFT=7 years old
E mount=4 years in use on APSC and well on full frame we already have the best ever normalish prime lens! I hope all you naysayers photography is improving this fast XD
Unless we include a slightly slower leica lens right? which costs a little bit XD
Or faster lenses made by third parties like the Otus which is well really not compact and a bit expensive though lush.
Imbecile. Learn English.
Imbecile white trash, go put on ur white pointy hat and go stand in the corner.
Otherwise? You hit me with “ur” dictionary?
Bit harsh
A bit ironic
If you want iq, why buy zooms and cry?
It’s more a comment on the absurdity of the megapixel arms race
The high resolution sensors render the highest quality full stop, for higher ISO its a different matter but then high ISO quality is what is in constant development, therefore Sony=forwards, and your opinion=backwards. Technologically speaking.
Sony said something about Resolution, Sensitivity and something, anyway, that means objectively better image quality, your idea is more of the diatribe variety or something. Sony have already proven best maximum image quality and price with say, Sony A7R and Zeiss 55mm 1.8.
Could a ‘pro’ model, perish the thought, be more expensive and resolve all other issues?WITHOUT even lowering resolution, possibly! but i have paraphrased the idea of economy by way of scales of production and this also applies: no one really wants that solution..NOW making it both a proof against your negation of high resolution AND of demand for more expensive cameras JUST to do similar things. Again the immediate future will put so many of these diatribes to sleep, at least until the next massive technological development is introduced as a first.
It only becomes absurd if it never works.
So if Sony has one underperforming lens, the other lenses should be also limited to work on low MP sensors?
As long as they fix that damn shutter shock issue. It’s hard enough trying to get full use of the 36MP sensor let alone a 50MP one with shutter shock issues…
I am sure they will have a solution eliminting shutter shock.
Being a current A7r/a6000 user, I would buy a A7rII provided
– Resolve shutter vibration issue
– Lossless RAW
– Improved resposiveness
– Same updates as A7II
As always there are many asking who needs high pixel count: If you print LARGE and are a skilled photographer is my answer. (Gear like this has enormous potential – there is a difference in required driving skills between a Volkswagen Polo and a Porsche 911 Turbo… same applies in phto world : -) )
You should also afford expensive lenses.
Lossless RAW is unlikely.
If Sony were going to do that, they would have done it on the A7ii.
The A7Rii will be a similar design to the A7ii, same chassis, similar size & weight, with IBIS, just with a bigger sensor without aliasing filter.
J
I will wait for the A7 III. I want larger pixels and not smaller ones.
A7III won’t bring you larger pixels. More likely even smaller ones. You probably mean A7sII.
Larger than the A7r. No, I do not want the atrociously priced A7s. I am not located in Asia to afford that.
It is A7 III that I want.
How large are you taking about? How many mps in the end?
Oh i see, now i can’t comment, well i’m better than all of you actual photographers. lump that. I’m sorry but i am. I’m JUST being polite otherwise. Read all my comments and you will see how terribly fast i am learning, i decided to learn cine alongside from outset, and i am glad, because photography isn’t enough of a challenge for a lifetime at all.
Im in it for the long haul! My authentic to subject shooting will always win.
We can settle one side easily: dealing with processing images, and actually here’s another lesson, if you download a medium format raw file you can try processing it without a medium format camera! Shooting into light and with overexposed areas is surely fun somehow , but lets stick to well gradated images to test any ideas about ideal photographic process.
You’re not the person i replied to.
My comment below wouldn’t and still wont post, i don’t see any bad words in it or maybe it censors technically inaccurate terminology now as well as perfectly good English from an English person.
I found the word i think…
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! ok fields of view, and Medium Format is obviously equivalent in all sorts of ways, not least simply panning as described in sensor shift!
What a contradiction, i’m sorry i’m not technical enough, but actually i’m a master photographer anyway! Im not going to pu**y foot around every argument at a loss to describe, but i guess APSC is a bit pointless when you have a massive 35mm camera output then is what i meant.
Unless of course its to mitigate for rolling shutter? i have presented so many great alternatives ive proved my self cinematically relevant in my mastery and not even JUST photographic!”
smaller sensor has less rolling shutter…negation..i really am the only real photographer it seems. And in a year or two you will see JUST how great my mastery 😀
I’m the only one robust and who is super intuitive to answer EVERY trolling after a few years experience.
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LOL perfectly good.
^Master Photographer
It’s like someone blocked it because it’s incoherent. I know there’s Speed but by the looks of what you’ve written they’ve invented Slow too.
You really aren’t going to make this easy on yourself once you have to justify through better photography as well as better objective argument.
I would worry about the trolls and not me, i shoot such amazing photos in any form with my SonyA7R that i almost find it hard to see how others do not. But i at least try and you yet scathe me who evidently knows how to setup correct perspective..oops you dont..oh no!!!!!!!! who will learn from master and become student in this inponderable? or JUST become more of an ‘expressive subjective post post modernized hipster cretin against objective photography while even holding a camera fit for purpose!
Honestly i am bothered by some posts by some real photographers and well i just got on with it, but its different now.. here i am. I must tell the truth about photography and stand by that.
Please, show us your art, so we can all learn from you.
Sure once i have moved: human subject is my chosen subject for my photography and there is no one to shoot here, sorry.
Photography is objective, yet you miss that point even now…for what? i already said what you could do to help. Do that or politicize where you are wanted at conservative headquarters or wherever.
But you must have an online portfolio, right? Like 500px, or flickr, or your own website?
noone, not one person posts images, now master photographer has to to prove he is even a person and not a dead weight. no words in any language describe the lack of mastery of that ‘proving’ idea.
So, no pics then? What a pity.
I can prove all sorts with test shots, why don’t we start with you prove you are an identifiable person. I already have with details. I’m retaining part for self interests and that needs no justification at all. It shouldn’t be questioned in the first place regards my mastery, but for example, i don’t like shooting here and i would love to shoot somewhere populated and with woods, travel etc i have shot enough here, thousands and thousands. The Sony A7R is still in waiting for the right subject.
I could possibly paradoxically show how good i am now by showing an old photo taken with a bad camera and too pictorial for my liking, but its obvious i know what i’m talking about. Indeed i call for more resolution like this new cam, seriously.
APSC is useless for non optimized and vintage lenses! is that such a problem to understand? along with it..some of the very best affordable lenses and shooting methodology come with those same vintage lenses!
Im being helpful with my massive experience of such and for what? polititrolls to ruin my life and do nothing to help, and to get me kicked when my life will depend upon online presence and objective truth telling, to say that language thing which is as dire as their circular politics: anarchist= do the opposite of what would help the person most effected negatively by gov..yeah thanks.
Rofl you’re an imaging-resource junkie!
I got news for you, even if you own the cameras you’re talking about, it still doesn’t mean you know anything. Get yourself an education first.
Please educate us all. Are you any good at photography?
imaging-resource junkie? no, i hold a lot of web resources in waiting: i cannot do that now- i MUST move, and i decided to come clean on objective photography. That means i am a problem for those who aren’t and you can include a lot on that list, not JUST that one.
“Web resources in waiting?” Ooookkaaaayyy
Same as the A7 and 50 MP like the EM5 II (I am getting one of those).
Then what’s stopping you from getting an a7ii?
I don’t need it. Besides, it is first generation SSS. The 2nd will be better as we all know. 🙂
Maybe just wait for the 5th because 6th is when they don’t make any improvements but then 7th might be better ;D
May be I am also disenchanted with Sony’s EU pricing policies. It is daylight robbery. I can use my wallet to make tiny contribution towards that end.
Ignoring is better than complaining, in my view. 🙂
Why not grey it?
You haven’t even seen a picture from this Olympus gimmick and say you want Sony to copy it!
There is precisely zero chance that an A7 III will have lower resolution than the preceding model. Camera manufacturers simply don’t do that with mainstream models.
The a7s is the beset 1080p camera on the market and it’s STILL cheaper than the three year old 5D Mark III. It has slog-2 and PP.
I don’t think the A7 III is going to be more than 36MP.
It’ll probably stay at 24MP.
nice so a 12megapixi fullsensor 4k will fall down to deeeeeeeep dark priceholes.
i like it. 4k for 400,- yesssssssssssssssssssssssss!
I’m more interested in an A7S II, with IBIS stabilized sensor, same pixel count and sensitivity (but if they improve noise even further also, sure !) and HDMI 4:2:2 10bits 4K output. Or they could do it internally but we will need XQD cards like on the FS7 to record it. Oh, and I almost forgot, it needs to have S-log3/S-Gamut3.Cine too !
My wallet will be ready if that happend! 😀
One issue with a 50MP sensor is it makes it more difficult to implement EFCS, which the A7R desperately needs to reduce shutter noise and vibration. Hopefully if this 50MP sensor appears, Sony will have overcome any such limitations.
The A7R was the first camera of this caliber to have such a bad shutter vibration control. One has to hope that the engineers at Sony have learned sometimes in the meantime…
Yes, perhaps a rigid solution is called for, or a dampening one, or best of all, BOTH.
Maybe that’s where the pro body rumour comes from?
Wow. I can’t wait to see all the cat pictures and bookshelves taken with a 50MP sensor.
I practiced and practiced shooting the smallest details of book shelf to get my shooting objectively good and working out shutter speeds, i’ve already related this, but my Pentax K01 shake reduction was very good at negating even strong blustery wind. How do you guys hold your camera, what are your methods, i don’t even have any anymore, but i guess i embodied the best practices in general.
Its complex, as every action has a reaction, its not a simple matter or even a particularly reducible physical problem.
Guess what? i had to change everything for the Sony A7R as it has no shake reduction.
I used to shoot loose as a relaxed ‘dampener’, now i shoot tight.
Try opening a book and learning some English grammar.
Instead of waste my life and lose out on JUST about all the things that could make it best for you politiotrolls?
No, and no more rubbish from people who aren’t the VERY best photographers such as myself. Even those with Medium format digital can surely say something useful indeed even if they aren’t that great, JUST not people who are not the best and JUST happen to use 35mm cameras too. or don’t. Its called negation. Will i use Sony cams in future?
I may not unless for instance, they produce a Medium Format option.
Try speaking and learning through your language you politotrolling aberration on FREE existence.
That is absolutely political, my content sites have my mastery and my images, you have nothing photographic or of mastery but nihilism which is JUST dandy for you and not for anyone else, Bother me and my sites and one day you will get total retaliation and you know that which means you have already started to prepare which is so very nihilistic, you do that every time. I’m JUST a Master, I need do nothing to prove, though alongside my images my total understanding of what is required in photography prove all. I know it, I say it, someone copied, bad idea…
LOL and the statues? And the brick walls? Uhm that corner is not 100% sharp.
i cant wait to TAKE a cat picture with a 50 mp camera!
I’m not sure what you can do with such a sensor without a $5000 Zeiss Otus lens.
The 55/1.8 would probably let you take advantage of (some of?) the additional resolution. I know Tamron’s 15-30 is supposed to be designed for high density sensors, but I’m sceptical about how a zoom will really cope.
That was just a marketing slogan. Yes, even a Tamron can profit from more MP.
The same things people have been doing with 24MP APS-C cameras for years without $5000 Otus lenses.
So basically nothing. At least Canon was smart enough to limit their resolution to 18MP for APS-C.
Go on Flickr and search for images taken with the Nikon D7100, D3200, Sony NEX7, A6000, A77, Pentax K3 etc.
That Canon are struggling to increase the resolution of their sensors doesn’t prove anything, all the other major manufacturers have moved on.
Canon already has 20 mp cameras and next one is rumored to be 24 mp
Finally, the Bladerunner camera has arrived!
For me it’s a no, even if they sort out the issues with the a7r (ie EFCS and increased chance of blur shooting hand held). 50mp is just too much for my workflow when I’m travelling… My tablet can cope with raws from my a7 in lightroom, but a 50mp file would kill it (and that’s with an i5 processor).
What would be the downside to selecting a smaller file size when shooting travel photos?
Is there an option for that shooting raw? (without downgrading to apsc mode)
There’s a SMALL, MEDIUM, and LARGE file size option – and it is available when shooting RAW+JPEG. So… to your question – I assume it’s just the jpg file size that’s affected (but maybe an option for vacation photos? And you’ve got full raw for those killer shots if you need it?)
On the A7 each file size is about half, so on a 50MP camera the Medium would likely be about 24MP, and the small file size maybe about 10MP.
I’ve never used anything be large/full size – but this announcement has me thinking about the viability of using other file sizes if/when I do a lot of shooting (vacation, etc.). I know some (many) PJ’s shoot this way when on assignment when they have to submit via not-so-good internet. Some food for thought. 🙂
Yeah that’s definitely jpeg only… Definitely Worth thinking about, if I go down that route. It’d be nice to see something like Canon’s mRAW on a 50mp sensor though.
Are you just assuming that or what? What 50MP files have you processed on your tablet?
I have an ultrabook that I use for travel (also an i5), and it copes with the 36MP A7r raws just fine, I kind of doubt that 14 extra MBs of data would be a huge difference.
Hmm, mine’s not that snappy with 24mp rows, so I was figuring double the res would come with a hefty performance hit…
Great strategy from Sony, they are establishing a leading and strong full frame body system.
No other manufacturer has such great differentiation between their full frame models, and this without withholding features, but covering a huge spectre, from 12Mp low light monster, to 24Mp balanced model, to 36Mp/50Mp high resolution monster.
I hope they develop each of these in their own direction, e.g. future the S versions should stay around the 12Mp and not go up in resolution, but increase ISO sensitivity.
They should however, transfer the new stronger body to all future models, maybe with the bulkier IBIS, especially if they are going to make A5 series compact versions, without EVF and IBIS.
E mount needs lenses. Lots of them.
Except for basic features, such as basic responsiveness, a proper viewfinder, proper tracking autofocus, burst rate. These are the things that matter, not the acronyms and figures they write in the brochures. They remind me of Japanese “hifi” equipment in the eighties: total harmonic distortion 0.0001 %, class AA, spontaneous twin drive, but the sound…
‘Bass boost’ was useful on my panasonic personal CD player though. Oh and i am obviously a bit techie, as i remember getting it thinking a more consistent and well produced mechanism would fair better than a short memory for skipping…i was dead right.
If under ‘proper viewfinder’ you understand optical finder, with the exception of most backwards photographers, most users are starting to prefer EVFs for their benefits, like seeing exactly what the sensor sees at the set aperture and ISO, both for exposure and depth of field (no need for a preview button any more you seeing it as it will appear!) especially for bodies like the A7S where the sensor sees much more than your eye can!
Start up time and general responsiveness needs to be improved, although these are much better on E mount now after the A mount menu system was moved adopted, but need further improvement.
AF tech from A6000 will sooner or later be transferred to full frame A mount bodies, and why not made even faster.
Have you actually used any of their latest cameras or just b.itching?
I used a lot of mirrorless, I actually wanted to like them. However, they are not for me yet.
DSLRs have had live view for years, and they have an optical viewfinder on top. So they offer more. How is that backwardly again? If you do more stuff electronically (compared to a DSLR), you need more processing power, which also means more battery. Instead, all mirrorless so far have had tiny batteries and insufficient processing power. Why? Because they are merely consumer electronic gadgets.
When Canon or Nikon come out with a proper mirrorless, that might change the game. For now, we are discussing toys.
What could Canon and Nikon do differently than Sony with a mirrorless? It would still need an EVF and all of this “processing power”.
Wider mount (at least like EOS-M, which is I think 54mm wide).
More processing power.
Bigger battery.
On-sensor autofocus (they both have it already).
Better overall usability and responsiveness (they usually offer that).
Better overall quality (they usually offer that).
In general, the differences between a consumer product and a higher-tier product.
Much larger and better EVF, at least 1200 * 800 (6MP).
And they must introduce tiltable touch screens, even on DSLRs! Why on earth aren’t they there yet?
All these technologies don’t come for free, and they need several iterations, Sony are definitely moving in the right direction with each new release, while Nikon and Canon have not come out with anything serious, only several unsuccessful attempts, EOS-M and Nikon 1 system.
When are they going to catch up, if Sony mirror-less cameras were matching or exceeding Nikon and Canon pro gear Today, then it would have been game over for Nikon and Canon.
Maybe, and maybe not. We can not rule out C and N having good prototypes already, ticking all the boxes. It’s possible because they have all the tech, except for the 6M viewfinder, but again, what do we know? Some companies churn out “novelties” on a monthly basis, some others take their time and release ripe products.
Time will tell. So far, I need to stick to my DSLRs because I see no alternatives.
We have no proof that C&N are working on any mirrorless. It is a good guess that they are – but I have seen no rumors. I have not even seen a rumor that Canon will do the super obvious and throw the 70D sensor into an M3. And as far as C&N not churning out “novelties” I present to you the Nikon 1 system.
Well, I am not into speculations and I have no crystal ball. I am merely saying what I need to consider a change to mirrorless as my main system, and I see nothing sensible at the moment. Canon is too conservative to even add a tiltable touch screen in the better models. Who knows.
But you were speculating that C&N will (or could) produce a better mirrorless than Sony. That is what I was specifically replying to and I said we have 1) no proof that they are even attempting this and 2) no evidence based on what they have released in the mirrorless market that they could produce something better than Sony.
I wrote “maybe, and maybe not”. We surely have no proof of one or the other. Based on their excellent DSLRs, and on the current mirrorless offering, I am going to have to stick to my DSLRs.
Well – based on DSLR vs mirrorless – yes. But C&N also both have a mirrorless product. Why not make speculation based on the quality and market acceptance of those two products – if you want to compare apples to apples.
Are you reading what you’re writing? Why not just head over to canonrumors.com?
Shouldn’t you be in school at this time?
You can’t even make an incoherent sentence and stay on topic. I know kids in school who are more articulate than you. Nice try. Bye
If C and N have mirrorless bodies they have to put them in customers hands and start building up their new systems, unless you are suggesting them keeping the same register distance and not fully benefiting from dropping the mirror. Lens line-ups take decades to build and from a financial perspective it is impossible to come out with 10 or so decent lenses at once, have to build releasing 3-4 a year at least.
On sensor PDAF is not that easy to transfer to full frame sensor even if they have it on smaller sensors.
Your words “keeping the same register distance and not fully benefiting from dropping the mirror” describe E mount. See what I mean?
There have been some E mount lenses that are only re-mounted older designs, but most new E mount lenses are designed for the shorter registration distance.
They are the same size as reflex lenses!
Not true, have you checked out the lovely Sony 20mm/2.8 pancake or the Sigma E mount 60mm/2.8 or 30mm/2.8, and you can use Leica or Voigt glass as well.
Well – we have not seen a serious mirrorless product from Canon or Nikon yet.
Yes, Nikon 1 has blazing fast AF – but with such a tiny sensor and not many fast lenses – DOF is huge and not hard to keep a lot in focus. I would love to see if Nikon could pull off this same AF speed on a FF sensor with fast lenses.
Canon eos-m – really? OK, in all honesty – I like the EOS-m. Heck, I have one (fire sale with 22/2). It is small and well made. But, come on, the sensor is from 2005. The AF speed is from 2001. I absolutely love the default colors from Canon – but EOS-M is not a serious mirrorless product. Drop the DPAF sensor from the 70D into this body and add a few more external controls (mode wheel please) and maybe this starts to look better.
Help and no help at all, only nihilism: political reasoning. Master and always Master forever more. Risk taker and adjudicator. Objective and intuitive.
Let’s be honest the A9 doesn’t and won’t exist. It’s just another SAR fairy tale. Wake me up for the A7S II though!
Idiot.
Sounds like you are more worried about what name they call it than what features it has…
Why not 12 MP and a broad enough mount? Sony has not released new mounts for a while already.
What is flawed about the mount? Sony seems to be making it work.
Try mounting a Leica or Zeiss M lens on it, you will laugh. The sensor diagonal is a little longer than the bayonet diameter, and the bayonet is extremely close to the sensor. They forced an elephant into an ant’s *****, for marketing purposes.
Well, honestly – I don’t care much about non-Sony lenses on the e-mount. I also shoot a Nikon f mount and I don’t care about mounting Leica lenses on it. But I understand that if that is your thing it is a big problem and you should look for another system.
A broader bayonet would have solved that. I think they missed a big chance for a really diminutive system. Imagine shooting small M wide angles on that. Imagine… If I need a huge Distagon, I can as well keep it on my Canon (or Nikon).
I get that a lot of people are aching to shoot non-system lenses on the A7. I guess people are thinking of it as a better Leica M-mount. But not sure that Sony conceived it this way. And what is Sony’s motivation for you to shoot non-Sony lenses? They want you to buy their expensive lenses – not someone else’s.
OK fair enough. But where are those lenses? And will they be small? That bayonet makes lens design unnecessarily hard.
Yes, agreed – Sony has a winner with the A7 series but definitely needs to spend the next few years developing new lenses to get just the basic lens system in place. I don’t know how restrictive the mount will be – I hope not too much. Because we all know that it will not be long before Canon and Nikon get tired of watching Sony kick dirt in their faces in the mirrorless market and release their own FF mirrorless – and those will support the entire lens system of these companies.
There is absolutely NO problem with mount size, if for some reason it proves too narrow for the sensor size, the latter can always be reduced by a millimeter or two at no lost what so ever. Also Nikon’s mount is narrower than E mount, even if a bit further from the sensor.
Nikon F is a lot further from the sensor plane, I think it is 47 mm vs 18 mm on Sony E. This allows for *a lot* more freedom, and *much* more perpendicular light rays. The EOS mount is way wider, by the way. This is simple geometry, and it shows the problem clearly. My guess is, the marketing folks had the upper hand against the engineers.
Sony E: diameter 46mm, registration 18mm
Nikon F: diameter 44mm, registration 46mm
Full frame sensor diameter: 43mm
The sensor diameter is smaller than both mounts so perpendicular light rays are not limited at all!
There may be advantage for the Nikon mount for some configurations, but then it is also 2 mil narrower so it is also more limiting in this respect.
Having to design an SLR lens that allows for the mirror box and has to be positioned some distance from the sensor/film is also a limiting factor, and likely more limiting for the image cone behind the last lens element.
That is the outer diameter. Plus, the rear element in the objective needs support, which must be at least a little thick for robustness. See what I mean?
Is the same for both mounts and E mount is still 2 mil wider.
It looks like you need to refresh your geometry:
Nikon F mount being narrower and further from the sensor allows only for only for a cylinder of rays or a cone with its top pointing away from the sensor.
E mount being wider and closer to the sensor allows for the SAME AND a limited ray cone with its top pointing at the sensor.
You need to consider the inner bayonet diameter minus twice the thickness of the rear lens support. As a consequence, we have two truncated cones, with similar bases.
Mark this: two truncated cones, not one cone and one cylinder. One is 18mm high and the other 46. The basis diameter is 43 for both. The top diameters are something like 38 to 40 mm. The angles are way different, and so is the chance to get good images at the edges with a relatively simple lens design.
Don’t trust me? Do the math. You will need the exact inner bayonet size. E mount will have about 45 deg, F mount about 80. Very roughly. Or simply, test some biogons on that thing and weep – or laugh.
I understand your math, but what you are talking about is only a limitation with Nikon’s F mount. You can put all of these lenses designed for the higher cone (Nikon F) on the E mount with adapter and the angles you calculated would be exactly the same as on F mount.
However, E mount’s shorter flange distance allows for many more designs to be used, which is only an advantage.
This is not the point. You remove the mirror and you don’t want to profit from it? I would like to use biogons or other small primes, but I must stick to big designs because the mount does not allow them.
Yes, the camera has got a little smaller, but the lenses are as kludgy as ever.
Wasn’t it better with the mirror then? Fast af, long battery life, higher responsiveness… And they could always add an evf or live view.
This is why I say the E Mount is flawed.
The E mount is the best platform existing for M mount (Leica) lenses, that are designed for short flange distance. Yes, there are problems with several older Leica lenses wider than 35mm designed for film, where rays fall at a small angle towards the edges of the sensor, but is has been reported that these work better on A7 bodies than Leica’s own digital sensor bodies.
Most reports are to the opposite tune, and with new lenses, too. Sony A7? You will need reflex / big lenses.
Just check good old Rockwell, which is free, for a laugh. There are several more, you’ll need google.
I don’t know where your information is coming from, but from the many tests I looked at (there was good test on Steve Huff’s site, but cant find it) all lenses for Leica M mount 35mm and longer work perfectly fine. Only lenses 24mm and wider have problems and its only specific designs from film era, AND they work better on the A7R than on Leica digital bodies!
Rockwell is not the most reliable source as he’s been known for his love for Nikon and is perhaps getting too old now.
Sony’s mount system is already confusing as is. Who’d want yet another mount?
The nice thing about 50MP is that you get 22.2MP cropped to APS-C. A FF camera without the EVF hump would therefore offer a true upgrade path to NEX-6/7/ Alpha6000 – users. It would allow me to use my APS-C lenses without significant loss in resolution on a FF body. Finally, we could have a camera that _can_ be small when desired _and_ offer FF features when you need it.
Just a reminder…
http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Photography-Dummies-Julie-Adair/dp/1118092031
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1. We want lossless 14Bit RAW Files!
2. Anything else…
Sign this petition:
https://www.change.org/p/kazuo-hirai-enable-uncompressed-or-lossless-compression-raw-files-on-the-a7-cameras-and-future-f-e-mount-cameras
What I want is the new 15-30 f2.8 Tamron as an E mount and not A, so I can stop using stupid adapters on my A7r and to be better than the Nikkor 14-24. The Long awaited Zeiss 16-35 f4 unfortunately does not cut the mustard. If only they would had bothered in making an excellent 16mm and 21mm primes I would have jumped at them. More megapixels; not really bothered.
Better than the Nikkor 14-24? Two questions:
1) why do you need it?
2) have you compared them?
The Sony 16-35mm F4 is a great lens. Works well on my A7r.
Super sharp (corner to corner) at 16mm F4, and 35mm f5.6. What more do you need?
J
I tried the Nikon 14-24mm on the A7r (with Metabones adapter), and it smeared in the corners.
The lens is good for indoor use, but terrible outdoors as the bulbous glass attracts sun flares from nearly all angles. The Sony FE 16-35mm OSS is light, small, can use filters, and can be used anywhere.
J
Hi! Did you try to make fully opaque the internal cilinder of the Metabones adapter? It could reflect a lot. I’ve done it with not reflecting tissue, and something did really improve, specially with sich wide lenses.
It’s actually quite easy to stop reflections in the metabones. File down the inside till it is flat (very, very finely and carefully), then paint with a Birchwood Casey Super Black Touch Up Pen (and paint everything except the contacts). Don’t bother buying a metabones 4, it’s a waste of money. Get a 3 second (I got mine free with my A7r) and fix it up. Trust me it will be way better than a new metabones 4.
I have a Canon Ts-e Shift-tilts 17mm and 24mmII on my A7r and I don’t get any more flaring than with my FE 35mm 2.8 or 55mm 1.8. I have a Canon 5D3 and I wouldn’t even dream of using Canon Ts-e Shift-tilts on it.
The Tamron has a bulbous front as well, so it will suffer the same issues as the Nikon 14-24mm.
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Give me usable (i.e. A6000) autofocus and a good 24-70mm lens. Everything else is meaningless until that basic core functionality doesn’t suck.
We are not giving you a nice A6000 combo until your photography skills get to a level where they don’t suck!
Shouldn’t you be in class kid?
I’d like to be, but doubt they’ll let me in.
The kit lens for the A7 isn’t bad – really quite good. But yeah, the AF speed is the elephant in the room.
True, not bad, just not good when compared with the Tammy 24-70 or Canon.
No – but you are comparing much more expensive lenses. Sony will bring out a 24-70 (or so) f/2.8 lens in the near future. This lens not being in the E-mount system is sticking out like a sore thumb. In the mean time, maybe a third party will step up with a lens.
The Zeiss 24-70 is approximately the same price as the Tamron. Sony made the Zeiss a full stop slower, and it’s still crap. I’m just venting- I was excited and thought I could make the switch when the Zeiss was announced. No level of skill will compensate for soft glass.
The Zeiss is not a bad lens. I think it is overpriced for what it is and I would not buy it based on being just marginally better than the already very good kit lens. Again – Sony has to bring out this very important lens (the 24-70 f/2.8) soon. This is a very important lens in every FF system. This is the bread and butter of most wedding and portrait photographers. But a warning – it will be expensive. I am hoping Tamron will adapt their very excellent 24-70 f/2.8.
Can someone please explain or provide a link relaetd to the topic “high density sensors and its demands to hq lenses covering the resolution”?
This senseless comments à la “only the Otus can deal with 50MP” sucks.
A Zeiss guy at Photokina explained resolution calculation (line pairs, etc.; but I don’t remember exactly anymore) to me and said, existing Zeiss or similar quality lenses would not ride into problems unless sensors don’t exceed 100MP or even more.
I would like to read something substantiated explaining it unbiased to me. 🙂
The Zeiss guy was right! For a 50 mpix A7 you need high end lenses but not nesscary Otus. Sony/Zeiss high end lenses designed for the A7. Images with, say the 28-70, 24-70 and 35/2.8 will look better on a 50 mpix than on a 24 mpix for sure but not utilize the full potential of the sensor.
I’ve shot a 1970’s vintage cheapo 50mm f/1.8 on an A7R, one stop down from wide open it was providing more than enough resolution for 36 megapixels.
I’d wager it would hold up just fine with a 50MP sensor. Does that qualify it as a “high end lens”?
I also get astounding quality even peering into the files from almost all of my vintage lenses including zooms. Comparing them for luminosity its a different matter 🙂 But only ONE of my lenses is new. That speaks volumes. I bought these ones specifically for my A7R however, and had my own doubts, persevering because i would never give up the manual functioning, compact size and focal lengths and apertures they offered.
Having an E mount full frame allowed me to now get almost any make of lens from the past and to cherry pick from them for whichever had the best elements in practice. I may yet still be the most critical person regards manual focus smoothness XD I literally cannot help it. Annoyed = losing the best possible engagement with shot. (the zooms have the best dampening: JUST…which is actually quite ironic XD HOWEVER..i speculated once.. why not zooms? why not equal image quality? i had bought a few cheap and something twigged, and the rest is history. )
No one makes them anymore >:( I will get all of some one day because of this….So i had some of these zooms, and JUST playing wondering why on earth i got zooms, i have come to realize they are extraordinary ON MY Sony A7R..forgoing the usual limitations on all optics of course 🙂
Imho, one way knowledge of glass-resolution theme could be comparing different lenses’ MTF. Zeiss is publishing all them. Haven’t had a look at them?
Haven’t read my last sentence? 🙂
Just kidding.
I am no MTF specialist, and to be honest I usually don’t care, so what to look for in the Zeiss Loxia 35/2 chart as an example?
Here some links:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/resolution.shtml
http://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/Photography/new/pdf/en/cln_archiv/cln31_en_web_special_mtf_02.pdf
http://www.strollswithmydog.com/units-spatial-resolution/
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=3393.0
Lenses are aberration limited from below and diffraction limited from above, with a “sweet spot” in between. The luminous landscape article shows what is possible theoretically for diffraction limited lenses and shows the dependence on aperture. If you want a lens to be highly resolving at lower f-stops you need excellent aberration control, only few lenses can deliver.
Thanks
Should I rent some supercomputer time to process the raws from this 50MP sensor?
Only if you’re currently renting supercomputer time to process 24MP RAWs, as this will only take about twice as long.
Definatively not. Any recent i5/i7 will do this non-demanding job.
Still using Amiga ?
Nope. But unlike most test chart shooters here, I process more than one image at a time. So, doubling processing time really does make a difference to me.
ahahhaahah
5 axis IBIS?
Fast 4D AF?
4k video?
No, no and no. For IBIS you have A7II, for 4K there is A7S, and for fast focus wait for A7AF. It will have very fast AF, but no IBIS no 4K and only 24 mpix.
I’m more inclined to think that they will add on-sensor PDAF (from A6000 or faster) in their next A7 III or if ready before that for A7S II.
Sick of these 7’s. Give me a proper 9 already.
” I am right now asking him when the camera will be announced and how it looks. ”
I want to know what’s you have got now?
Another slow camera with slow lenses and crazy high MP…
Ok, great for landscape etc., but when will something for event photography be finally released?? 12 Mp, fast AF, fast lenses…
A7s? Sounds perfect for that to me + you get stellar 4k video.
A7s has best ISO, slow AF and slow lenses. It’s mostly for video.
In shooting landscapes i never shot the water and tree movement any slower than i had to. I suppose it would be best to shoot most landscape really shallow depth of field too, and events? why not shoot them at 1.2 for super realism..oh because you never stop the subjects to actually prove your points EVER! 1.4 looks cool but is hard to focus however, 1.8 is great if you can afford it sharp, 2 is best all rounder, 3.5 is sneaky great and 4 is where we are at…please give actual demonstration as to why that isn’t a good aperture or why there arent even enough f/4 lenses and they are yet slower…because for the money and quality and purpose its only you who claim to shoot fast glass with great rendering on moving subjects with AF that seem to have lost the plot altogether: there is no evidence of any of that anywhere. Me prove i can shoot with my system and ideas? As i am the only one shooting sharp and fast as it were? In a Year or so i will be, and presumably the only one even then. Great glass, balance ISO destruction with the correct stopping shutter speed, its subtle but not as absurd as all that stuff with no evidence! I want better cameras, who doesn’t..i mean i really want better cameras, much like that which Sony are making, with higher sensitivity AND resolution.
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Sony is best. I guess we should have a shoot out between nikon and Sony cams one day 😀
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Object in this example, the film obviously MASTER has some issues with shadows and there you have to take into account in equal stepeni.Menee shade is on this subject, the better the result. Needless to say, you can use this function as professional photography. You are not satisfied by the fact that you have done, click on the selected option’reset ‘.Funktsiya secondary color correction, of course, is not very difficult, but it requires some practice. Fortunately video hobby and hobbies can simply take some time. Watch the video to get all the exercise in the air “happened. MASTER
Where are you from again?
For landscapes, I never water and wood fired every move slower than I had to. I believe that it would be better to get the most landscaping can really shoot the shallow depth of field, and events? why they did not shoot at 1.2 for super realism..oh, because you never stop threads actually prove your points ever! 1.4 looks great, but it’s hard to concentrate, but 1.8 great if you can afford a sharp, two of the best all-rounder, a large 3.5 sneaky and 4, where we stand … Please give a real demonstration of why it did well diaphragm or why arent even enough F / 4 lens, and they even slower … because for the money and the quality and purpose, it is only those who fast with large glass rendering of moving objects with the shooting AF, arguing that it seems have a job completely lost: there’s no evidence that somewhere. To prove to myself that I can turn on the system and ideas? As I just shoot sharp and fast as it was? After a year or so I will, and probably the only one who even then. Large glass, the destruction of the balance ISO stop at the correct speed shutter, his thin, but not as absurd as all that stuff without notice! I want more cameras, the average doesn’t..i I really want more cameras, similar to what Sony do with higher sensitivity and resolution.
If A7rII gets 50MP sensor that means it is aimed for landscape shooters, I guess than A9 will receive 36MP sensor that handles AF on good level. I would like A9 EVF to be moved at least 1cm to the left side for more comfortable and convenient framing.
I dont think the a9 will have a 36 megapixel sensor, as a new sensor will have to be designed. I think that the a9 will liekly be able to combine pixels to have both the high res pictures of the a7r and the low light video of the a7s. None of sonys current sensors do that, and that is what i think sony would aim for to truly target pros. But just speculation.
Does it have a built in tripod and a new shutter? You will see ANY bit of motion with 50MP, and definitely not aimed at event photographers who still want higher resolution.
It has ISO, use it to stop subject motion! By all means present the optimal ISO and shutter speed options for various lenses and apertures and subject type..but this?!!!
You won’t see any more shake if you print it at the same size at which you print now.
And it will probably BARELY out resolve the current 36mp…and in trade, it will be allot nosier in the high ISOs. It will probably also have crappy line skipped video.
This is marketed to the high megapixel crowd that doesnt know any better.
Lets see…um no. All incorrect because it will produce the best image quality where lighting is sufficient. I agree that all photography from before is not much good, a few good ideas, but i wouldn’t say that a higher resolution camera which can still shoot more than ever is for any crowd other than the best photographers demanding such quality.
(35mm cameras…i WANT and DEMAND medium format to match the other masters and to make it a fair test)
Polititroll answer and obviously wrong as usual, take it form me a color master who has done curves in sound that you can never understand the research I have done because you are listening to the implied MASTER of you nihilist know nothing troll folk people surges! I demand my BMPCC will shoot raw medium format MFT in latitlude log mode for all screens to be projected against the walls!
I usecurve tone embedded angle technique with just the new tamron f1.8 lens for yper latitude compressed jpeg on a wetplate inductionplate. you can not comprehend my skills because you have no ability to look outside the nihilist furniture arrangement stuffed by empty donkeys in your mothers earwax. Yes I am MASTER baiting right now with my own pictures of latitude holding prawn salad investigating this further and will develope back to you.
Now if my posts get modified we know who by. And not by a photographic master…or even someone with Sony cam or demonstrable evidence for basis of their own views.
No one, no one posts pictures now master photographer has to prove that he was a man, not a dead weight. There are no words in any language can not describe the inability of “confirmation” ideas.
Sure it can be all that.. Then again it can be A must have for fashion / landscape photographers .. have you noticed DXO is super slow to make lens tests these days. 🙁
What about people who want to print 36 x 24 at as close to 300 dpi?
Ignorance is bliss.
fucking sick but..what lenses will work with it!! and how about the a-mount version of this??? rather use some proper sony zeiss glass than e-mount shit..
people don’t understand the need for more megapixel. If you work as a wedding photographer you’ll appreciate having high megapixel and decent low light performance on your camera. The D810 (sony sensor) is a magnificent piece of tool! The d810 allows you to crop the image in post and compose your shot beautifully without being restricted. Many 5DIII shooters are now switching to D810 because of this crucial feature that’s needed for this type of job.
Yes there are a lot of noob shooters that can’t take proper pictures. Real photographers are capable of shooting the correct framing on location. I am a master of curves and tone, I don’t need more then 12 megapixels, this is why I have the A7R: I can shoot my pixels in raid5 with pixel redundancy and stripe set for speed!
I learned this from vhs playback in 16 bit audio as a master of tone color and re-framing technique I do not need more then old leica lenses for massive s-log picture manipulation objective found in the blackmagic scheme shooting native raw 422 compressed jpeg video mode.
You may have to actually pretend to be me with Disqus account and not JUST guest one. You may have to demonstrate you have a Sony camera or leave my views alone. You may find you never can. Negation, you lose.
You win! And the price is…
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=english+for+dummies
This is absolutely politically to my sites content my skills and my pictures, you will not likely get anything for photos, championship, but nihilism, that’ll just dandy for you, and nobody else bothers me and my sites and one day of retribution and you should know that you have already started to prepare, which is so very nihilistic means that you know that every time. I am simply a masterpiece, I do not need to do in order to prove, although again my pictures my whole understanding of what is required in the photos to prove it. I know it, I say it, copy someone a bad idea … I know I can not take back, I existential, people will not think too blind, which, like all their pictures proves to them! My photo only proves that they will not deny this truth more, nothing but nihilism; Back to the will. Do you really want to fight me with all the “experts” on matters I have to use a certain amount of decision-making is to see? because you seem to attack My superiors language. Language, which makes it all the championship, knowing that passes the visual side of things, it’s all you can not of..maybe ye him, who showed a physicist can be done? or politician in their games with each other.
example; They are slow, do you think it’s good, it’s not, I’m important, I fast and I always master. I continue to develop practical and the same thing you do not at first all the time. Denial, you lose.
Copy and paste without meaning…or mastery.
Stop trolling with my language abundance it is imperitive you mis understake my message of good will hunting!!!
And something about being a master to make me sound more important.
LOL
Are you pretending to be me? You lack skills of level control to latitude my depth of field in implied language troll! You can not talk to a MASTER in that there them slain dragon breath I must recover your unknown pertinents. Language, which makes it all the championship, knowing that passes the visual side of things, it’s all you can not of..maybe ye him, who showed a physicist can be done? or politician in their games with each other.
Now if you had to correct all your posts as i am supposed to, that would really make you a master wouldn’t it. Oh you are not a Master, I am. It is implicit that i am smarter: being Master. Negation: fail.
You can check out a really qualify me Disqus, not only for the guests of one. You may have to point a camera Sony have or have their minds at rest. You may find you can never. Denial, you lose.
My account has never been SharpShooter, i JUST used that moniker.
Will I? They do not have the ability to level the width of my depth in the troll control means! You can not use the wizard with the dragon killed my breath I say unknown restore pertinents. Language, which makes it all the championship, knowing that passes the visual side of things, that’s all, it can not of..maybe physics you can do to show? or guidelines in their games with each other.
liar https://disqus.com/by/sonysonysony
not just a liar, nobody likes you 558 posts and 7 up votes! hahahaha people must hate you SO BAD.
and everyone loves you with your self votes. I never vote but because i said that ironic thing about your wish to vote conservative i get that…
Yes I have 4500 up votes on 600 posts, pretty normal for someone who bothers to write something that makes sense. How about you stop being a total dikk, calling everybody troll and pretend you are the only master here. Less rubbish more actual content, and try writing in a language people understand.
Politics?
So you are bad liar and can’t type any existing language, how sad.
https://disqus.com/by/sonysonysony
I said where you are in that profile which isn’t really allowed, even though you never show anything to prove who those arbitrary posting bots are, or comment on anything photographic, while i am at fault for what? telling the truth and being a real person with a camera commenting on photography.
Stop pretending to be me! This is part of my therapy and you are ruining my life! I am the MASTER of light vision and optical viewpoints! You FAIL in my impersonating expression!
Stop abusing my proclaimed MASTER you are no photographer, release yourself frm bondage of polititroll website infestation. You are no match for my power of the darkroom side and can not comprehend my MASTER skill level at language using fake account!
sorry but as a wedding photographer i use sony a7s who just have 12mpx and i compose my photo before take it and i dont need crop in post production for compose, if i need a close up of something i zoom or walk…..
Or troll a real photographers freedom of expression by being political.
Landscape photography is a form of landscape art. While the landscape was a popular Western painting and Chinese art more than a thousand years ago, the word “landscape”, apparently vocabulary will be introduced only in the 19th century (according to Wikipedia), only the label of art. Landscape Photography conveys gratitude to the world through beautiful images of nature, mountains, deserts, rivers, oceans, waterfalls, plants, animals and other landscape created by God, or life can be. While most landscape photographers try to show the purity of nature without human influence, given how much the world has changed the people who created, along with a statement about the nature of man-made objects can also be a form of landscape photography. For example, the famous Mormon Row in Grand Teton National Park is a popular place for photographing the beautiful Tetons in the background, with old barns serve as foreground.
Landscape photography with three key elements: photographic equipment, skill / technique and light. Let’s look at all three elements after the other.
Good and reliable photographic equipment is extremely important to achieve the best results for landscape photography. If your camera can make extraordinary photos, but do not resist very cold or hot temperatures, it certainly limits to what you can do. Therefore, it is best to have a camera that can take pictures as good and capable of withstanding harsh weather conditions. Why is the last important? During the storm, after heavy snowfall in the early morning when the temperature is below freezing, etc. Next image of sand dunes that I recorded last year look – because some of the best scenery taken in very difficult weather
“… nature, mountains, deserts, rivers, oceans, waterfalls, plants, animals and other landscape created by God…”, so, nothing at all then?
Chinese theory of painting suggests adding figures and says a lot else…but whatever, that’s painting for one thing and i have answered the problem of perspective in photography myself.
I just want to be able to print 36 x 24 prints at 300 dpi. For that you need 78 megapixels.
Now this SR4 rumor is going to change many plans , damit
I’m still waiting for the A99 II :/
Me too
Every time I look at E-Mount FF options, I keep coming back to A-Mount. Maybe partly because I already have native A-Mount lenses, but mostly because everything i’m looking at is a compromise for something else. A99 is too expensive for me. I’d love to see A88 body in A-Mount at 1000-1500 price range. I’m perfectly happy with my A65, aside from sensor noise, so A88 would fill that spot perfectly. I’d hate to be getting a used A99 off Ebay, but it might just come down to that.
A used camera for $1300-$1500 kind of bites. A99 is holding its value well.
I’m sure if that A88 rumor is not going to happen any time soon , but if size doesn’t bother you then stick to your A65 it’s a great camera otherwise E-mount FF is much better than you think , just try to test the A7 and I’m sure you will change your mind
Mixed feelings…
Just vote conservative, you know you want to. Make up a ditty about it 🙂
I want 16 mega pix and decent low light and 4k video with decent auto focus not this marketing director’s EGO TRIP! APSC crop will be interesting though!
Just give me a 35MP A7RII with IBIS, EFCS (or electronic shutter), a less noisy mechanical shutter, and the ergo’s of the A7II. Make the A9 be the high MP king.
Make that 36MP!!
A9 should be 12 or 24MP super AF sports king. But probably won’t happen (mostly because of lack of sporty lenses in e-mount)
Global shutter on all Sony camera’s would make me very happy, perfect for silent shutter and video.
I think I will wait for the A7IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
A7rII will be 52mp, 3fps
A9 will be 36mp, 8fps
A7sII will not come in 2015
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A99II – development of this camera is dropped, it won’t be produced.
Everything sounds believable.
Yes, if you’re an idiot.
haha: is that your guess or do you know something?
As the other commenter notes, what you post sounds believable.
Wow – everyone is giving Sony their demands. Well as long as everyone is at it – why not.
Give me 16MP sensor and super AF speed. There, done.
New 50MP or old 36MP sensor I don’t mind, but give it IBIS, full weather sealing, dual card slots, and a bigger battery (even the one from the A mount cameras).
I love my A7, but want something that can (for me) truly replace a DSLR. I don’t want to lose a camera because of a bit of rain, or a client because of a corrupt memory card.
What he said.
You fall so easily for his BS? Don’t be a fool.
How many A7’s have you lost due to a bit of rain? And how many corrupt memory cards in the last year or so?
None, I was always shooting Canon.
So you have settled for poor resolution and dynamic range on an overpriced outdated product. Great!
I havent lost a a7 to rain but have gotten my voigtlander 35 1.2 somewhat wet and sticky. The a7 with the 35 2.8 seems to withstand a good deal of rain when i had it.
I’d like the option to shoot at lower mega pixels. 36 is ideal for me. I don’t care how slow it shoots within reason. The “super computer” arguments are retarded. If you’re that concerned, temporarily load the file into a ramdisk. You can always choose to edit the raw as a smaller file size later on.
My concern is that the current a7r has a slowish processor and I hope the new a7r gets a much faster processor. Like others, I want a quieter, more reliable shutter. If they can fix the little issues, I might even be happy to buy it without IBIS if they kept the body small.
Lenses aren’t an issue, there’s plenty of leica/zeiss/voigtlanders to choose from.
This could be really good but different raw options would be great
Faster processing..good idea..now what might we sacrifice for that rather than JUST the correlated high resolution quality or affordable price?
They are slow, do you think it’s good, it’s not, I’m important, I fast and I always master. I continue to develop practical and the same thing you do not at first all the time. Denial, you lose.
oh, now you have an account. Ironic how you troll in this way isn’t it. You think people are as slow as you are.Negation: fail.
Yes the upcoming A7RII / A9 should have
-Inbuilt sensor stabilization
-plenty improved focusing
-much improved processing performance
-silent shutter mode
-much improved battery life
-4K out from hdmi at least
-1080p 120 FPS
-high resolution Oled EVF with close to 0 lag. 1080p or 1440x
-real weather resistance/sealing
-USB 3
-UHS II
and I buy it 🙂 ..
I doubt that they would have all that in one camera. I think whats going to happen is you will still have the a7 a7r and a7s with each their own strengths.
Then sony will put out the a9 with the best of all of them. Perhaps 50 megapixel but it combines pixels for 4k video, and still has great low iso. Not sure though, interested to see. Its just speculation. People take this all to seriously and should just go out and enjoy shooting.
You left out personal vibrator.
I’d personally prefer a better shutter that can sync at 1/250s or faster, and IBIS over 50MP, but if sony can deliver both, even better.
A7s.II at NAB 2015 ?!!!!! I hope ! 🙂
1080P – 4:2:2 – 10 bits !!!!!!! S-Log3 !
Please Mr. SONY !
Is internal 4K recording important for video?
Are there small functions that need a bit of touch to make video recording nicer experience?
I do not really understand video just curious
Each has its use!
I do not need 4K internally.
The most important for me is to have a video signal into 4: 2: 2 – 10bits and S-LOG3 for working the image (color grading …) !
Sorry For my English….. 🙁
I do not honestly like the presence of this new ‘trollish’ dude spamming words with no point. Andrea, if you may, this seems to be the right time to knock the ban hammer… Or see how things are going to let him decide to stop and change or not.
Be careful, as you are a made up poster of the same origin also…
I am a real photographer with a Sony A7R. This ‘troll’is one of many, can be replaced, I cannot, i don’t swap I.P. this is my business, and my online presence, that is their politics. Your politics; to get a real photographer with mastery..um kicked when they must have online presence..unlike you who does all with self interest of supposed ‘global or self interests’ but actually only with nihilistic concerns. I want better cameras and for real photography to be acknowledged, not politics.
Doh! Did someone just robbed your ability to be sensible?
Take my words. No time to wait. Just Knock the ban hammer ASAP!!!
American now i see…and other things too, anyone else guess 🙂
Go away and stop spitting rubbish, idiotic lad.
Getting me kicked through a voting system? How political is that.
Posting with another account and no profile….Who could that be?
To whatever you name is this week some advice; try to summarise your thoughts into coherent sentences. These 600+ word nonsensical bursts of BS are really annoying. You may have some good ideas buried in these alphabet soup rants of nonsense, but no one is able to decipher them.
I say something. You make politics.
More incoherent gibberish, are you really that inept?
You have nothing to say.
Yes, stop your foolish act and be real for change. You’re not impressing anyone only making a fool of yourself.
You mean politically incorrect? no chance.
Suggestion, try breaking up your thoughts into bullet points so we don’t need an enigma machine to decode them.
Or putting together actual assured meaning for human beings using spoken language formations despite the nihilistic robots.
For real is it the same guy constantly posting these long nonesense post?
Oxymoron – “real photographer with a Sony A7R”
Don’t get me wrong I hate trollish nonsense as much as the next guy, but you’re breaking the first rule of the internet: don’t feed the troll!
Second Rule, trolls rule the internet, third rule return to first rule? And then the actual internet happened and you are all postmodernized.
Not sure by what you mean by that, but I wasn’t! I am encouraging Andrea to ban the guy and I’m helping myself with jokes!
50MP sounds good but the shutter has been the critical feature holding me back.
EFC on the shutter
Important details now that we know 50MP is on the table
Battery life
IBIS
USB3
Any increase in processor speed is probably negated by 50 MP photos
You don’t have a profile…even if you click on that name. Interesting name you have there, any family members with nothing to do with the politics, or issues with certain trends?
AF speed is the big downside of A7r – really the only big sales blocker for the A7r. Shutter shock, light leaks, sensor flare are next on the list. Then some less important A7r defects – X-sync speed is amateur level; Lack of completely silent shutter as in A7s
A7r really is not a great proposal except if you love the exceptional IQ
Good points John, guess you should continue to use your Iphone.
If this eventually results in an A7s II with 16-18 MP I am all in favor of it. And if along the way we could please also improve the battery life…
>50 MP
>cRAW only
🙂
Let’s hope they also provide regular RAW for pixel peepers.
With LR I have not seen any artefacts with cRAW. There are indeed issues with Sony’s IDC but LR recognises the problematic areas and fixes the issues. Sure there is subtle loss of detail but no artefacts.
By the way I assume that the on-sensor phase detect sensor are too peppered over in post production in A7, A6000, Samsung NX1, Fuji X-T1, Canon 70D etc.
What about thinner sensor glass for better compatability with Leica M glass ?
Trolls won’t like you to use a 35mm camera with leica m mount glass so that splendid sensor of yours will be gashed before its even proven its merit.
Problem is, thinner glass will improve image quality with legacy lenses, but worsen image quality with system lenses.
OMG the trolls actually read the article here which i reposted. Question is Hubertus..which will have the most noticeable difference to quality overall…
Oh they already answered this, the benefit will be larger for the M glass, not bad if you are choosing to use those lenses with only a few Sony options or the like otherwise. I only have one m mount, its my favourite one 🙂 but i also have the Sony 55mm 1.8.. i guess its a tie XD
What do you mean? Leica M works fine with a7 series with an adapter. What isn’t compatible?
Wow, the threads on SAR and 43rumors are completely ruined by trolling, fanboy posturing, spamming, and unintelligible nonsense. And I bet it’s at most a handful of people, maybe only one person, responsible for it all.
One? no, but they are in different places and use what is latent to acknowledge the direction of their trolling together as an endless stream of ‘troll martyrs’ and whom is a troll as opposed to actual photographer or real person, but actually almost everyone posting is a troll with no real identity presented. All they have proven is what was already known, there are frightfully few good, or rather relatively great photographers and apparently only one master: who speak objectively and usefully on the subject of photography. They speak nihilistically and politically..like the lesser photographers and ‘experts’ ..ironically. Consensus is a troll, sure i know how the cameras can be improved, but i also acknowledge the mastery of the makers with a real understanding..unlike everyone else. I personally intend to shoot a whole lot..efficiently.
Looks like you forgot to take your meds again.
http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/477083/stream_img.jpg
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
Yes but the lady did stand her ground!
Si
He forgot the location where he left his meds 😉
you post a lot? or JUST troll the comments as you peruse the actual information to your liking?
You should have been on the web in the early 1990s … the Flame Wars were awesome.
It’s 2015 now so stop acting like a troll of the 90’s. 🙂
Sony trolls paid for by Sony Inc instead of them actually addressing the problems with their camera. They must have learned from the Bush administrations… or Orwell.
50mp if it has a global shutter and true raw it might be interesting. If not, we better wait what Nikon does with the sensor.
Wait is the correct word, it will likely take Nikon several camera model updates to correct the design flaws. Time is not on your side.
There is only one way to find out. I’m happy with the A7S / a6000 combo, but tired of the fly by wire focus system on the sony lenses.
Nikon will solve that for you.. oh.. no it wont, perhaps you should troll a nikon site about that instead. Or a camera system like nikon which precludes a variety of glass to your liking.
A7S huh? thats ironic because first you havent got an A7R and second now you say you have the more expensive one with less resolution and for some kind of a6000/35mm camera toy purposes combo.
Nikon will fix it with a recall.
As opposed to Sony who just keep on selling their seriously flawed products . And deliver a fix for a previous camera by launching a new camera which invariably has faults of its own. But don’t worry a new toy sorry camera will be along shortly
I can’t say I have a problem with it on the 55/1.8 and 35/2.8. It might be a bit of a pain on a macto, but fortunately it looks like the 90/2.8 is mechanical focus…
I sold the 35 2.8 and went with the voigtlander 35 1.2 and one of the reasons was i couldnt stand the fly by wire because it has acceleration. Hoping the 35 loxia is a nice lens.
Only used the 24-70 and 70-200 by Sony, still not sure if I want Zeiss or a Sony FE as primes. At the moment I’m using nikon primes, they are very easy to focus manually, the problem with the sony lenses is: I like the OSS for video but focus pull or any quick focussing is a nightmare because there are no fixed positions on the lens.
Even with Canon lenses you go back and forth and end somewhat on the same focus point. With the sony zooms that is pretty much impossible because the system changes focus speed and point depending on how fast you turn. I have tried the 55 and it was really good, great feedback and smooth focus, but I’m waiting for it to drop another $400.
LOL @ Sony pos 70-200mm lens – 1/2 the resolution of the Nikon
that’s nice, but I bought it to shoot video with OSS so I really don’t care. For photography I use my fast nikon primes.
+1 on a fly by wire point. I’ve tried using manual AF on A7 with 28-70, A6000 with 16-50 and on RX100, and in all of them i couldn’t tell whether I have achieved critical focus or not. Peaking only gets you so far, then you have to use magnification for more precision.
RX100 was the worst. It felt like I had to turn the ring 10 times before any visible focus shift.
You are doing nothing for photography. You don’t have the camera or the lens. Zeiss 55mm 1.8 here we go, i do this and you make my life terrible to help gov etc. With that focus by wire the point of focus is visible in a way that isnt the case with even slower lenses because its so sharp wide open, this is what helps confirm focus and thus this lens can do what others can’t, its annoying in extreme but NO talk of confirming focus without actual use of said. ESPECIALLY not false and made up generalizations. Like you could even use peaking for focus and not resort to zoom for confirmation anyway.
None of your business.
Yeah, really fun having an actual solution to shifting the lens for a pan. Now you JUST have to do the research to see which parts and how complex or uncertain the whole thing will be. I have one of the best Medium format lenses for the purposes already. Costs as much as a cam in mint condition. Its on tilt-shift at least some way and 35mm.
All part of the waste of my expertise on your politics and loss to my ever redundant life possibilities.
Mamiya 645…I like your talken. That’s a beast of a camera. I use a 1956 Rolleiflex for Medium Format film. Nothing like a 120 slide on a light table is what I’m sayin.
And a vacuum pack to actually get more than JUST 50% contrast XD
Quite expensive to shoot no? like as much as a camera for JUST one shoot?
Buy all the Sony cams and NIkon for every new shoot, and you will have no problems any more..but i want medium format digital…This Contax lens really is THAT sharp…
Or a 4X5 positive.
Great save…Now how can they afford all this old fashioned amateur shooting? They can’t yet they berate my life, my choices, my expertise, my helpful truthtelling attitude.
The good old 645, This was what I used in college along with 80% of my classmates. Great piece of history. I’m surprised no one has made a t/s adapter for 645 to E the image circle just screams t/s on a ff sensor
yes…or a medium format digital camera with that high resolution.
Exactly, bought a box of portra 120 not too long ago just out of frustration with all the digital nonsense. Only problem is: getting it scanned is $30 a film if I want high resolution. If I shoot a lot of medium format, it is cheaper to buy a Pentax 🙂 For truly oldschool portret work I use my C330 with a nice 180mm. It is funny how little drama these camera’s are. Just a light plink and you shot a picture. Sadly I sold my massive nikon 9000 filmscanner because I thought I would never shoot film again. Not sure it would be usable on my mac anyway, that thing was scsi.
Can’t find any modern scanners that can take 120 unless you use some flatbed thing but afaik those things are a bit crap.
Bingo. The freaking processing costs me 25 bucks for 12 shots. Ridiculous. I’m moving to just do it myself in batches every month. Even my freaking 35mm slide film is costing me 25 bucks for one roll. R
Yeah and developing colour medium format shots? easy…How do you do that troll?
Oh look you guys are on repeat again,
No its because you are political.
You have close ones too, i don’t care about them, its you i care about unlike yourselves.
I’d like confirmation if Sony will add the 5-axis stabilization to the A7R II? There was some indication a while ago they would not. That would allow better photos with non IS lenses. Thanks. I have $$$ waiting to buy one.
This will not be a polished fine tuned A7 camera it will be the usual 1 year new camera cycle Sony rush job with an excellent sensor. And don’t even expect firmware updates!
You buy a camera as is, firmware updates are absolutely something that should be required as seldom as possible. Also I don’t see anything rushed in the latest Sony models. What do you mean?
You must not have used an A7II then. That is an extremely polished camera.
Eleven (11) bit raw sucks, 50Mp won’t make it suck less.
For 99.9% of shooting, 12 bit lossless compressed raws should be sufficient. All threads and examples I have seen so far, or the NEFs I pushed in post for 14bit and 12bit Raws hardly showed any difference at all (5stops pushed reveals subtle differences). So for me 12bit lossless compressed raws would be sufficient.
I don’t believe you understand the difference between 12 and 14-bit sampling.
Thank you. Theoretically it is absolutely clear that 14-bit gives you more information. But what does it mean in real life shooting? Just google the forums and comparisons (many raw files are ready for download, I tried it myself). You are really forced hard to see the difference, if so, only after pushing the file to the extremes. And then, do you print at 100%? Store all your files as huge tifs or high-res jpgs? You know human beings are only able to see about 7-10Mio. colours at most? A 12bit file has more than 6000 times as many. Most use 8bit displays to look at their files, too. If they provide 14bit I’m fine, but after many thousand shots I’m fine with 12bit uncompressed.
Yes, I print. Yes I do need to do sometimes some crazy recovery where exposure or given light wasn’t really what I was after. Especially in the shadows, having more info recorded is big bonus to avoid posterization. That’s where those extra 2 bits of info help.
It’s colour manipulation where you want to have as much info as you can available to you. I’m not saying that for 90%+ of files it’s needed. What I don’t understand why Sony doesn’t give owners (ppl who pay for camera) that option. Why do they make decision about what should be ‘good enough’ by crippling what’s available?
Here I agree, they should give the user the option.
I am a electronic engineer.
I have experience in designing electronic product with 12bit ADC.
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From engineering point of view, I agree with Sony.
12-bit ADC is good enough for image sensor.
(Currently the best FF image sensor’s SNR is less than 50dB)
(D810’s SNR = 45dB at ISO100)
14-bit ADC is not necessary, because the sensor noise from image sensor is larger than the minimum steps from the ADC,
the last 2-bit is cover by random noise from the sensor.
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From marketing point of view, I think Sony should add 14bit Raw,
because it make spec. looks better.
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If I am Sony, I will use a 12-bit ADC & append 2-bit random number generate by the Bionz processor, and output it as 14-bit data.
No one will know the difference. 😛
This is true for Canon sensors, not for Exmors with a noisefloor (read noise) as low as 3 to 4 electrons (depending on implementation) at low ISO and hardly any/no real patterns to render shadow information useless.
Sony doesn’t off either of those right now.
I want 14 bit without the Nikon white dots.
What I am interested in is to see if the A7rII will see additional improvements when compared to those of the A7 to A7II upgrade process.
It depends on lossless compressed RAW and fixed shutter vibration, at the very minimum.
I’ve read all the articles. I don’t see the issue. You need a high contrast situation and only then…be pushing the files at least 3EV to get the issue.
@ 300% magnification.
Exactly. You can’t even push Canon’s files by 3EV (without noise that is – bad DR), so I don’t quite see the problem.
Yes you can… Ever owned a camera?
Not true. Gradients, skies, and blacks are all compromised by Sony. Much greater flexibility in Nikons 14 bit files.
I keep asking though, show me one sky in which this issue shows up. There are two main articles online and neither IMO indicate gradients and skies. The biggest issue may be for those who do HDR.
Images can only be displayed in 8-bit anyway. Outside of crazy manipulation you’re not going to be able to measure, much less notice, a difference.
You’re wrong. You can see the difference on any wide gamut monitor in a heartbeat. And if you push or pull the differences are huge.
The results Ive seen the difference is betweem .5% and 2% difference to SNR depending on the camera.
90% of the work I do on a day-to-day basis is single shot HDR, so I’m very aware if the ability to push and pull the images out of an A77, A99, A6000, A7, and A7r compared to a 60D, 7D, 5D MII, 5D MIII, or D7100.
Sony the best raw format I’ve used.
You assume that no one edits their images. My input is not my output. The final output may be 8-bit. The input needs more. 8 bits only give you 256 shades, and the human eye can distinguish 1000s of shades.
A, ignoring all the research online, I edit the shit out of stuff I shoot. when I said crazy I meant CRAZY.
B, displays only output 8-bit, so it doesn’t matter what you’re eye can see. That’s all you ever see anything unless you’re very expensive 10-bit setup. Very few people do.
and C, 8-bit has around 17,000,000 colors. That’s a lot.
Sony is still giving around 11-12 bits. Which is more than you even need displaying on a 10-bit setup. Print from what I know is 4-6 bits.
Actually the big problem is not that Sony isn’t using enough bits per pixel, but that they’re only using 11 bits for a 16-pixel block (run), along with 7-bit deltas. So if there’s a huge dynamic range, such as with star trails, there are not enough differential bits to encode the the brightness level. This can be very nasty sometimes. It’s not just nitpicking that you only see at 800000% zoom. It shows up for the entire 16-pixel block.
How many cases of shutter vibration where there in reality with the A7R?
It doesn’t matter lossless or lossy compression if the image ended up in photoshop..
Time to sell the A7 for an A900. I don’t mind it, but it isn’t better IMO. Now Sony…give us this A7RII with the build of the A7II and 5 axis and day one purchase. Now that is a camera worth lusting after…and dare I say….class leading AF! (wishing, but probably not).
As annoying as all the politotrolling posts.
Exactly what part of that post was political?
Not owning any of that equipment, go ahead, show it all together in one shot with a single light source, preferably a minolta flash: Negation: fail.
I have lots of lenses, i could start showing those one by one with proof they are mine and well you can’t show anything at all yet there you are standing against an apolitical person for another troll. how ironic.
I have inimitable skills too.
Better than your usual babble. At least he’s on point and has coherent thoughts. Unlike you, with your tendency to stray away into some miracle land.
Of Mastered Photography. I’m saving my posts for a post that’s actually about photography.
Your description of an A7RII is exactly what I’d like to see.
“Day one purchase”?
Yes. Did I miss something there. Day one…ok ok…maybe day two. Close enough I would think.
A7sII please! I’m happy with the a7r resolution but want something with better low light…
It is interesting to see 14bit mentioned that often. Of course it is nice to have, but is it top priority, considering how hard it is for people in numerous blogs to show the artefacts for 11+7bit files? Look at all the posts comparing 12bit uncompressed to 14 bit. Hardly any difference in real life shooting (good for 99.9% or higher if you don’t push 5 stops all the time). What does it help you if ETTR is a pain due to histograms based on jpeg settings? What do you think of
1)EFCS + Silent mode
2)Histogram from raw data, decoupled from jpg settings.
3)More accurate focus peaking (don’t find it reliable with fast lenses, need magnification all the time to check)
4)AF-sensitivity and tracking as in D750
5)Joystick to change focus point as fast as possible (D4/D4s)
6)Better weather sealing (look at A7ii SD-card door)
7)Better menu, customizable
Of course 4k,IBIS.
I’m with you on everything but #5. I wanted a joystick too but I don’t think it will fit comfortably and I like the compact size of the A7 series. To me Gary Fong and others are right that the AF follows a different paradigm and that Sony’s 4D AF system rivals DSLRs but works differently. Everywhere is a focus point. You don’t need to move a focus point so much as direct the cameras attention and subject selection.
That said the focus tracking interface is still clunky and the lack of a touchscreen really odd. While I shoot mostly manual focus I’m starting to learn AF shooting again. The A7 series is most lacking in this area.
1) no way silent mode can get into a 50MP small mirrorless camera right now. Reading 50 MP in a very short time is just too much for such a small device. Look at the A7s: it takes about 1/40 seconds to read just the 12MP. Technology has not advanced that much since then.
It is a wish list ;-). Silent mode affects high iso noise as far as I know, too. blog.kasson.com investigated that, I need to reread his post.
Why not? A d810 with mup or even quiet mode is like an ant fart. Sony shutter can be felt with one’s feet on a wood floor.
You are all welcome to leave your sony toys behind and join the 5D MK4 era 🙂
Does it have articulating LCD or are you still guessing your composition of high shots?
‘an’
yes, thanks, an articulating LCD
Canon?!!! Yaak!!
Naaah, we want uptodate technology, not museum stuff 😉
As a museum curator this offends me.
duh… OVF, no peaking, no life magnification in EVF, so no critical manual focusing… AF fails even on 5d3. No good video codec, Canon seems to lock magic lantern, so…
You get live mag in the display, and a superior oprical viewfinder on top.
You get af on a level that Sony never even went close to.
You get responsiveness, reliability, usability, radio flashes, and of course a great system. Sure, have fun with your phone…
LOL some think Sony actually make cameras…
Sony doesn’t make cameras, yet you’re all on it’s rumor page. Magic Lantern was the 5D3’s saving grace (for video)
Most of your points are about AF, of course you have to use manual lenses often. Thus, I forgive you 🙂
5D MK4 with 18MP sensor from 5 years ago? No thank you.
Even woth 100mp sony sensors with 3 bit raw won’t do that much 🙂
3 bit raw? You mean 8 colors!?
any idea on cost?
the same as A7R as when it was released, don’t buy new cams, they JUST depreciate in value. Nikon never does, they hold the same value with the same models released each year with the correct (no) updates 🙂
“Nikon never does”- Tell that to D600 owners.
Hahaha now show the cameras and lenses…Do you have any medium format cameras? With coins placed inside? (no) Its trolling too, because that Contax lens i have is quite sharp..and of course my other vintage 35mm camera lenses are sharp, but instead of assure people of this collectively, you troll me and my choices and life instead. Why do i persue photography thus then? I have no choice, all you do is make it worse than it should be and especially in relation to the main problems, I don’t have every lens, i don’t have all equipment, and actually i only have vintage apart from one modern, but i know all from these..and yet you speak of all this stuff assured that you need not have it till you are sure of which is right, I however, never once doubted my inclinations. That’s the blessing of being trolls, you get to be a thorn and no good and no good as a thorn. I mastered photography when i had to, i do it all the time. That was a greater risk as were others than this one, but this one can be helped where in fact i am instead personally hindered…ironic isn’t it. Actually i never set out to master it at all…it JUST happened- I also never got anything before that much…, maybe that’s why i am not like you, not political, not nihilistic, JUST adamant that some will be like me, instant masters and should get the best gear from the start not listen to the whining idk what people. Maybe i did know photography would be so important, as a content provider but moreover the thing i am best at for myself..a true master.
Don’t feed the troll, he’s already fat as it is.
You have flats, you have a nice way of life, you have none of the problems, actually life in devonorwhatever is great…i want to move and you really help dont you…for me to be somewhere not so far from there also with better life…MY philosophy of pleasure in the art of photography, and your nihilism..it is stark isn’t it…If you dont even enjoy talking about it why not troll tech talk somewhere art has no place at all? (rhetorical i guess huh)
Hahaha now show the cameras and lenses…Do you have any medium format cameras? With coins placed inside? (no)
Its trolling too, because that Contax lens i have is quite sharp..and of course my other vintage 35mm camera lenses are sharp, but instead of assure people of this collectively, you troll me and my choices and life instead. Why do i persue photography thus then? I have no choice, all you do is make it worse than it should be and especially in relation to the main problems, I don’t have every lens, i don’t have all equipment, and actually i only have vintage apart from one modern, but i know all from these..and yet you speak of all this stuff assured that you need not have it till you are sure of which is right, I however, never once doubted my inclinations. That’s the blessing of being trolls, you get to be a thorn and no good and no good as a thorn. I mastered photography when i had to, i do it all the time. That was a greater risk as were others than this one, but this one can be helped where in fact i am instead personally hindered…ironic isn’t it. Actually i never set out to master it at all…it JUST happened-
I have ALL of the Contax lenses and they are not that sharp. You want sharp you need to buy the Zeiss Otus 55 and 85mm and the 135mm Apo Sonnar. Nothing else is worth bothering with at this time.
Sharp in 1990s is meh in 2015
Contax what. My contax 645 lens would be great on medium format digital and may have a shallower depth of field, idk
What you then say is totally wrong. Not one at normal perspective and wider and not the sharpest ones, you can get the leica f/2 for sharpness after all if money isn’t a problem.
And what of this ‘Anton Berlin’ ‘bad troll’ who obviously has no 645 lenses nor does thinking in riddles ‘good troll’ and the ‘asian’ ones are offensive.
It’s not. No matter how you self deceive yourself. No matter how often you deny it. It’s not sharp. Not CA corrected. It’s not.
Yes it is, thats how wrong you are…sorry
Slightly shallow contrast but no CA and really really sharp
Totally scratched though, only scratched lens and it doesn’t show much of them if at all…maybe effects contrast
I also never got anything before that much…, maybe that’s why i am not like you, not political, not nihilistic, JUST adamant that some will be like me, instant masters and should get the best gear from the start not listen to the whining idk what people. Maybe i did know photography would be so important, as a content provider but moreover the thing i am best at for myself..a true master. Canon APSC sensor joke, APSC with lens options joke, is it really hard for an understanding to be found where shooting is an extension of life into art and is best practiced with consideration and can be done as easily with the better equipment?
Best gear ? You’re not even close cheapskate.
You have no photography gear. I have pleasing gear with fantastic image quality to use. You think that’s irony, you missed the real irony i told.
What should i get next? you are paying of course, myself being worth a million of you and more were it not for you actually hindering me, oh of course, you don’t make free forums, like i am making sites, no, you police them for the owners who become something idk what to you, that is the worst, that is the worst part of how you hinder me now and do nothing for my useful input on the matter of gear which i actually have and wasn’t cheap and you like to make fun of the necessary investment quite apart from my mastering photography with it. Will i master the web side next using my investments? not with your ‘help’ or according to you ever, it seems.
Notice the Imatest results posted above. Gear includes a7r, d810, otus 85mm, nikon 70-200 etc.
Your imatest results are garbage because you don’t know how to focus properly.
Have you seen the prices of used D800/D800e bodies lately?
‘Nikon Warns That There Are Fake D800E DSLRs’?
No, you tell me
Criminals only fake things of value. Rolex watches, impressionist art, etc.
Doubtful that any camera made by Sony will be faked anytime soon.
Fake 14 bit files are fake enough.
Great photographs, content, ideas.
Coming down is what. Still, I wish the magnification of the OVF were better. I think it’s .71x…meh.
I’m surprised we haven’t seen mirrorless bodies with obnoxiously large VFs yet. My wife has an X-T1 and it has a very nice EVF that’s technically even larger than the 1Ds3/1DX but still doesn’t feel nearly as open. I can’t wait until somebody decides to make an obnoxiously large OM-1 sized, or even bigger, EVF.
If a 50mp camera of any brand comes in under 3k, I’ll wax my nipples and post the bloody aftermath on my 500px,flicker,and on this forum.
Theoretically 14 bit ADC is better than 12 bit ADC, because it give higher resolution.
But in real life, you won’t get much benefit from the 14bit RAW file.
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Currently, the best FF sensor at base ISO has SNR(Signal to Noise ratio) less than 50dB.
(such as D810’s SNR=45dB at ISO100)
While a 12 bit ADC has SNR more than 70dB.
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It means that the noise from the sensor is larger than the min. step from the ADC.
The extra data recorded by the 14-bit ADC are sensor noise,
It won’t give any extra useful information to the image.
I liked the other trolls that ‘who’ thought the opposite…flagtime
The extra data recorded by the 14-bit ADC are ”is” ‘formed by’ sensor noise
It won’t give any extra useful information to the image. ‘good luck’ listen to someone who uses a spoken approach to the English language in the intertroll webs.
LOL
This appears to be entirely and verifiably true. I guess the question is if 12 bit is enough for 50dB plus quantization error. But at 70dB, I presume that it is.
@ Admin: Are there any rumors about the A99 II specs yet? February is close. For the A99 II a 36mpix would by nice with a broader AF coveridge. 50 mpix is interesting but not vital IMO.
Waiting and learning nothing by which to precede, assured only with ones nihilistic ‘fate’
I can only hope.
But it truly seems as though Sony is putting all its efforts on mirrorless tech.
Well if Sony drops the A99 II then they will have to do without my future investments
WTF is wrong with moderation here? All that rubbish is just hard to scroll through
Trolls wasting the time and attacking the life of people they know. See how they do that.
SImple right? prove your identity as a real person and your I.P. or don’t post under endless trolling pseudonyms. Those who remain can use pseudonyms in irony but not in that way..not once they are part of the real group of people posting here. Oh but you cant have fun with that while it is known it is you who changed the name..really? some kind of trollingly profound irony above that of truthful ones? and those pertaining to photography and its pursuit. I know who you are anyway, its even obvious which are anyway: Negation: fail.
“a real photographer with some of the best Sony gear.” There’s no place like home…
“a real photographer with some of the best Sony gear.” There’s no place like home…
“a real photographer with some of the best Sony gear.” There’s no place like home…
Sony A7R with Zeiss 55mm 1.8, not even that expensive. In fact i got them both for the best prices. But i like all my vintage lenses and they are really good. I dont take photos with them…i look through them, that means you dont know if they are good or not, you have decided they are not, you are therefore wrong already. You could have JUST taken my word for it, i tell everyone anyway. Sure, if others use vintage glass there may well be positive consequences for me too, hence i tell. You have all this political and nothing else. You haven’t seen all these lenses have you? i only JUST thought of that…no wonder….Well i did say to everyone, get vintage glass, the better ones as they are really great on Sony A7R
So, my methods inadvertently put you out badly huh? let me count them….At least ten, and that includes ALL of the zooms
There is no way FOR you to know apart from taking my word for it, as there are no good examples online…You aren’t trolling about my showing proof, you actually need to see them for yourself. Making it worse, i shoot with the tele adapters 😀
Just read my post and cut through all of the horseshit. I post factual data.
Is this a new thing. A99 or A900 compressed RAW?
That I don’t know. They may be uncompressed. All of the E-mounts though have this problem.
1. Admin has ordinary human capabilities
2. He obviously wants more traffic, that is why he is very liberal with it
# 1 – Sony doesn’t make lenses that come close to resolving this sensor.
# 2 – Sony hasn’t committed to TRUE 14 bit color.
# 3 – Sony doesn’t stand behind its products.
# 4 – Sony WB, color and astigmatism negatively impact EVERY Sony mirrorless photo.
Lol The can ikon fanboys are grasping at straws. Genuinely scared for their mental paradigm.
# 1 – Sony doesn’t make lenses that come close to resolving this sensor.
False, the zeiss will resolve,, proof???? Prove they don’t…
# 2 – Sony hasn’t committed to TRUE 14 bit color.
And… this has so little effect on actual image captured
# 3 – Sony doesn’t stand behind its products.
Well it’s standing behind the e-mount thats for sure. Amount remains to be determined but nothing indicates they won’t release more Amount… thats right , nothing, except spazzy internet trolls and self doubting sony fan boys.
# 4 – Sony WB, color and astigmatism negatively impact EVERY Sony mirrorless photo.
This may be true. Have not researched.
See the attachments above. Google unknowns.
not even sure what you are talking about? The clip about sony trolls? That does nothing to defend your false claims which I responded to.
Where are you getting these imatest images from? I’m going to need a source to believe them, not some guy on a forum with an agenda.
I shot those tests. You can’t fake the data. All of it is shown.
Well MaxBerlin, it’s weird then, that the people from imatest and Roger Cicala from lensrentals came up with completely different data.
1) Of course you can fake the data.
2) Even if you didn’t fake the data, all that this shows is that you have no idea how to properly use the software. I trust the people who CREATED THE SOFTWARE to accurately perform the resolution test over you: http://www.imatest.com/2013/11/sharpness-texture-log-f-contrast-imaging-resource/
So put that image away, you’re embarrassing yourself.
Edit: Oops, wrong post.
SR5: Anton Berlin’s true identity has been revealed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ&index=1&list=FLTNSwV9mlnzZWNWXeWuxujQ
Do you have any clue about what you’re on about?
#1 – and you tested sony lenses on your 50mp FF?
#2 – “colours” won’t be any different next to uncompressed 14bit.
#3 – do your homework. They do.
#4 – wb/colour can be changed in raw. Astigmatism? Rofl…
please stick to what you know because you’ll come back one day and face palm yourself.
You don’t read do you? Look at Roger Cicala’s and Lloyd Chambers documentation on astigmatism with Sony sensors.
My lenses (and my skills) are ready for 50mp and beyond. Yours?
Instead Max, can I read Roger Cicala’s test showing the A7r outresolving the D800e, contradicting the images you constantly post?
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/12/sony-a7r-a-rising-tide-lifts-all-the-boats
Yeah lens rental is quite cheap these days isn’t it…
You’re the one who hasn’t read Roger’s article because he doesn’t say there are guaguaranteed problems. Lol And you clearly are speaking from inexperience because anyone who shoots know that the camera you have is better than the bigger one you leave at home. And Chambers’ stuff is… nevermind. The problem is you.
And i loled hard when you showed your little otuses, zooms and overrated ZFs. The otuses aren’t even the sharpest lenses on the 35mm format. Look at you thinking 50mp is “the future” Rofl Again, learn the subject and learn to follow a link… the fact that you have to ask _me_ that question shows you’re complete noob.
Your lenses may be ready, but your skills definitely not, judging from this noob picture. You are probably as bad as geno.
# 1 – Sony doesn’t make lenses.
At least you got that part correct lol
So what are you worried about? It seems you are needlessly mad or angry about a lot of nothing. If you shoot with nikon then you should be more than happy. It seems you are trying to defend nikon to Sony users. Personally if I have problems with one I will use another. But I am not going to bitch about it or say something else sucks.
So your random unsourced imatest image shows the A7r giving terrible resolution, but lensrentals’ imatest results showed the A7r besting the D800e.
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/12/sony-a7r-a-rising-tide-lifts-all-the-boats
Someone is full of *(*# here.
Lacking any corroborating information, I’m going to trust the person with a reputation for testing these things, the person who wrote an article explaining his methodology and and the person who doesn’t spend all day trolling http://www.sonyalpharumors.com.
EDIT: Oh look, here’s MTF charts from the actual people at imatest showing the A7r outresolving the D800 by 15% and holding its own against the Pentax 645D: http://www.imatest.com/2013/11/sharpness-texture-log-f-contrast-imaging-resource/
So now that I’ve actually researched your spurious claims, I can go back to ignoring your nonsense.
How would 50mp play with wide angle m-mount glass? I have a 21mm Voigtlander and A7r…right now works very well. If the MP count is bumped up to 50mp would it make this lens unusable?
Mask or no mask, the ethics or lack of them is unmasked and explicit. you are nihilists, or worse. I get it, we shoot with the lens cap on.
Your use of fancy big city words is both confusing and somewhat insulting…I think
Use a profile, don’t test trolls out on someone real with one.
Sensor glass thickness = more astigmatism. Maybe a wash back to 36mp or even NEX7 photosite density and DXO scores.
Cover glass thickness doesn’t change with resolution you know. So it doesn’t belong here.
It introduces astigmatism only if sensor glass thickness is different from amount the lens designer has originally intended. M43 uses very thick glass and there is no problem because they use lenses built for it.
Dear Admin,
We need a spam filter in SAR these days! Can you please ask some well known software developer ✂️
Or even a way to remove own posts that got stuck awaiting posting. Ending the cycle of reposting something only for it to be seen as spam and become decontextualised.
Did you think I meant you
Yes, for I am the last photographer
First you mean…Last artist, first photographer, get it right.
Ironically the worst troll is a software developer in America.
SAR Admin, why don’t I have any friends? Is it that my love is smothering?
You think factually declaring yourself to be the master of photography is to make friends? or to excuse those nihilistic attacks and allow the implication of things that are untoward? If you had a camera, if you had any real ’cause’ if you did any good for the real ’cause’ aside from my photography instead of use it for your political ’causes’ you would have my respect, as it is you don’t. In fact its bad indeed how you have done nothing but that, you have my I.P. so what, i know who you are.
He’s a real photographer and has the best Sony equipment. Also a real race car driver and has the best Yugo.
Have you got a 50mm 1.2 lens? 21mm, 24mm, 28mm, 35mm, 40mm, 85mm,100mm, 135mm, 180mm, some of the best telephoto adapters 1.4X + 2X from past mount systems and unique ranged zoom..no you don’t…I do, actually i have a few of each. I like some of the random ones like the special chinons…I have three of those, one without multicoating.
All of your lenses don’t add up to the quality or cost of any one of these. Are you retarded or something ??
Yes they do.
LOL!
550 comments and we are no closer to the truth.
Why talk in a shouting match?
The truth? there was talk of 50MP and it got shouted down..now its returned and no one cares, I care, i love resolution and i love to see it bumped up. My vintage lenses love it too, and i still use them wide open because they are that good also. Did i mention i actually like vintage lenses? Aperture and focus etc…
I’m in the same position, I want something simple but high class. I’m considering a leica 90mm summicron 🙂 Manual focus slows your photography and helps you think about the shot. Making you at one with your gear and the earth around you
It involves actual confirmation rather than missing the shot due to ‘mechanical’ failure.
I like japanese vintage lenses and i like what i see of Zeiss lenses, i like m mount lens format but im not sure i like the thumb focusing as i find it could cause friction and i want perfect damping with easy rotation, however its useful it seems nonetheless..JUST possibly not ideal. I like really compact lenses but i also love the feel of a full bodied compact lens, Zeiss matches those criteria and Sony has Zeiss lenses which means i am in photography heaven with said system 😀
I also like Zeiss rendering as the modern leica with really smooth rendering as well as critical sharpness may be either too expensive or not made at all. Zeiss outdid the leica 35mm 1.4 with their own m mount one i think and for less money, as for the leica 21mm 1.4? idk…i would love that of course XD Im interested in the 28mm 1.4 from leica in future too. I would like sensible focal lengths fast and smart..first…a true normal with speed and reasonably compact..a 1.2 even? that would be great. Actually, my vintage glass beats modern glass generally despite none of it being new. Oh look, heres a new flatmate…he has in the cupboard all the same focal lengths as i have…oh theres no room, i only needed an eighth of that space anyway…. :I
Thats like my waterproof camera bag..it has no space…i can fit only what i would really need…
Vintage glass is crap. You’re stupid beyond belief. Friggin idiot.
Notice coin douche.
Yeah great focus on those lenses, now this is why i’m the master and you are not. I can shoot what others cant which means i cannot be matched with the usual resources. Do you have any idea how bad that photo is?
You can’t say you’re better without showing what you can do.
But where my words are dismissed its my pictures which would be next, with: is that shown in this or that gallery?..and with subjective justifications…I can criticize JUST about any shot thrown at me, and i can surely shoot better, its the flipside of great shooting, knowing what is good and what is not. Consistency….Objectivity, that’s how i know i am a master at it. I require a certain sort of subject and that is not here, if it was i would be shooting it, as it is that must wait, in some ways im proving similar mastery in something sort of related at the moment, but it is fraught..really fraught.. actually a big worry, i JUST don’t worry about it..I am preparing a real big hitting web presence….
Another thing that is missed in that idea is…i judge images and objective matters, and who is real, i don’t have to show anything to prove those objective matters, i can process best and potentially shoot best too 😀 we can start with processing some time…all my processing is great, i have perfect consistency ..even though i haven’t done it for ages lol
If you think you’re good why are you hiding? People will always criticise… it’s your fault if you listen to criticisms of those who are clueless in the first place.
Great but i wont shoot where i am and thus i have failed your shooting test, but i can shoot best and process best which makes it unfair. I will shoot some of the best subjects too, once i move. I believe the subject is a large part of photography, without human subjects i wont shoot, nevermind not having the sort of context i require to be pleased with the shooting…
So you’re like a future expert are you? Nothing to show now but later you’ll be good?
OMG! check out my processing of a jpeg at top of the comments on the possible new 50MP cam and well be afraid..very afraid XD better still do your own version and we can compare…Imagine what i can do with not JUST that ability to select best images but apply my understanding of processing to realistic and aesthetic result with my own RAW files!
And vintage lenses etc etc
A ‘future’ expert: i like that! yes i am, of photography ‘future’.
The best reply to that idiot is click the flag and lets vote that troll into oblivion again like last time.
Troll? the image above tells a different story…as do all my shorter flange distance but ONE lenses…oh and the adapted Contax 645, otherwise all thanks to Sony thank you very much.
Sir, you still haven’t laid the crack pipe down. I respect your rants…really I do. At this point I think you’re freebasing more than crack. Maybe there is some chopped up film slides or shavings off the back of an old plastic minolta lens hood. Either way, the clear crack pipe uppers your on clearly have done a toll on you.
2790 comments…its like
The Man in the White Suit (1951)
What IS This?
You have NO medium format camera?! they aren’t even expensive!
Apart from Contax ‘:I
http://filmint.nu/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Man-in-White-Suit.jpg
Now you can’t even prove you have a single medium format camera..i can prove every lens and the Sony cam of course and every other cam ive mentioned use of XD Are you going to retract that now?
Ask and ye shall receive. Unless your on crack. In your case, I’ll make an exception.
Great! a shot of any one of your medium format cameras with coins inside it and lighting 😀 Not Counterfeit tender either >:(
Oh..of course…you dont have any money from where you live!!!!!
Am i JUST some kind of spybasher then?
Hehe. I cleaned it out. I changed the leather to a dark green as well. People don’t know what a viewfinder is until you’ve peered into one of these. It’s magical.
Without a lens on, with coins or notes in, if not that, any paper ripped into a circle with lines in a star across it.
Now one without ‘vintage’ as the definition or google search term
The photo ..i mean..that’s taken with a soft lens ‘:I
Oh dear….That’s a really bad example photo…in the situation…
This is not your day is it?
which lens or camera did you use to shoot that, i spend a lot of time looking at rendering…You had best say something vintage because that has glow, no point of focus and so on…
The second bolt end thing on the right side of the top close up is like a spiral swirl, its cool and bokeh and rendering is cool, but that’s not a contemporary photo is it…You added contrast to hide the grain didnt you
That failed as there is grain on the chrome in the middle
Thats a lot of glow, what did you use to shoot it?
When did you clean it? Dark green huh? lets see…You are not even good at politotrolling. All of my lenses are sharp and that is really..analog.. DO you have a digital camera? Full Frame? noone likes that term yet you define yourself with that and medium format…You dont have a clue do you. Oh you have olympuses which had half frame or whatever right?…digital ones…or both digital and analog ones…You shoot Medium format analog, slides…lets see a bit of a slide on top of ….a newspaper or any text with the word AND in the middle of the image
You dont have that camera now do you
coin dix
Coin in focus obviously…
Taken with a Sony A7r so of course it isn’t Nikon quality
Yawn:)
The truth is out there …
I hear the A7RII will be revolutionary. First mirror less full frame to have a hybrid OVF/EVF.
I’ll take higher ISO sensitivity AND dynamic range over 50Mpix – 36 is more then enough for anything I do – I have D800
Did someone say the Dynamic range and Iso sensitivity would be less on the speculated 50mp sensor?
Will they fix the compressed RAW?
With higher pixel densities it’s going to be even a less of an issue… fwiw.
Have you had issues in your photos with the compressed raw?
The trolls are feeling really good today, they know they are allowed here troll or not troll and not real person and everything will be ok 🙂 Here trolls, have a chinon with your gratification for making a terrorized life worse >:( Now you can claim to be a photographer with your nex or whatever you share between you. Its a special hidden behind all the double talk one..its ok..not perfect but cheap enough and cool. Im not the only person who speculates that within reason a lot of lenses are fairly similarly good stopped down etc…I look more for the ones that are good wide open or JUST off it with great rendering…Test them for MTF? sure why not..that would be interesting…
I admire your absurdistic style of writing. Reminds me of Samuel Beckett.
36mp is enough for me with my A7r.
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5598/15360260540_65e2eb0d11_o.jpg
I really like what the Sony processing does with detail and making best of the image data, however, it is undeniable that at the closest level of detail it is here, somewhat pictorial or painted looking, a little baked, not a bad thing per se, i like it as it means you can look close at the details without seeing noise and such like, with plenty of detail showing..but its not totally accurate detail, if that detail was replaced with like for like real detail you would see the difference.
Ok, simpler response would be, thats not 36MP its got alot of ISO and this is indeed the bane of digital photography still, everyone must have noticed the Sony A7R loses its quality very sharply with ISO. But its what Sony of all people is working on improving: they make the sensors. Check out the eye in focus. And at only 400 ISO! I want better resolution AND sensitivity. 200mm! That’s why the background is claustrophobic, it will look rounder and deeper with a shorter focal length as those little dashes will sculpt space not flatten it out. Resolution is JUST one part of the compositional issue, it allows description but here youve made it ALL close detail and not contextual ‘description’ 🙂
I knew this because of the terrible limitation of wait for it..around 16MP on my Pentax K01..not even 12MP!!! Every shot must manage this available detail and description incredibly resourcefully as it can be lost as it were in respect of the whole attempt at ‘realism’. You don’t need the eyelashes and hairs on arm on portrait..but you dont need to even see it! Bring in the context and have the body set with dimensionality, somewhere nearer normal length where it is most dimensional. This is as it were, APSC shooting on 35mm camera. And you can only imagine how i feel about 35mm due to my wish for Medium format dimensionality :I A child loses nothing with a little perspective distortion and JUST looks cuter etc Its still striking how much detail this camera can recover in close up as it were, something past shooters would have dreamed of surely.
Nice picture, when pixel peeping I would say shame the focus is on the hair / tree and not her eyes but I guess you would only notice when zooming in.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7336/16192783730_f3c3c49d8f_b.jpg
Not to start a whole thing because it is a nice picture, but to me it looks like the hair is in focus en the tree bark, but not the eyes? On the tree branch on the right you can also a lot more detail then you can see in the lashes. but it doubt anyone will ever see this if you print it.
You want proof I know what I am talking about? Look at this picture I took using my A7r, and vintage glass. No one on here is even capable of producing an image of this quality. My pictures make the troll mouths drop.
Oh clone you shoot too, without shooting?
Dude hate to break it to you, but I think you got a bad copy of your camera. The image seems to be very grainy and soft through the entire image.
Havent posted yet but good ‘guess’
Posted what? I am talking about your ocean photo.
It’s not his photo, this lunatic is constantly posting photos from random websites.
Here’s the source on that one: http://wrightsville.com/jmercer%27s_opens.htm
Why would anyone try and claim that as their photo?
No idea, I think he has some issues.
Look at the focal plane.
It’s a noob picture, what’s the deal?
That wonky horizon sure is quality.
My mother assured me that this is the BEST she has ever seen! You are just jelly!
Your mother assured me mine was the best she’d ever seen too.
MyConstipatedEyes – go somewhere else in the asylum.
Andrea, looks like it is time to turn off guest post functionality. The trolls are rampant on SAR. If you’re hoping to gain more click, this is the opposite way of doing things. They will cause you to lose readers, which in turn will reduce the numbers.
I agree, some of the comments are fun, but whoa this is a mess.
I couldn’t agree more.
It is getting a bit ridiculous.
Told the guest guy. Nice troll dude !
I speculate that this FE body A7rII price will be even higher that its predecessor at premium $2899. You get new 50MP sensor, 5 axis-IBIS and XACS V (w/120p). That’s all you will get!
Surely Sony will refresh existing FE (left A7sII) one by one including the APSC (A7000). Just wait 😀
Very likely improved AF. Sony know that they are loosing lots of sales due to the not so good AF of A7r. As well A7M2 offers more already I know you as troll have no ways of knowing but it actually does fix a bunch of issues with the original cameras.
I’m starting to hear whispers of a secret A8 project, FF rangefinder, not weather sealed, slightly lower res EVF, no 5 axis, but it will have the 16mpix successor to the A7s chip, so it performs well with rangefinder lenses.
That sounds like a downgrade, will probably be called A5 or A6 then A8, just sayin.
And why do the A7s (video is one of its main feature) has to increase its MP count, increasing the MP count will not help video quality, it should instead be cleaner high ISO files.
Don’t be ridiculous, the EVF will kill the OVF, if it hasn’t already, why would they use a half-assed thing called a rangefinder.
Both the OVF and rangefinder belong to the dinosaur film age. When you can’t see what the film is seeing, the next best thing is to see what the lens is seeing (SLR), using what amounts to a periscope invented and used on the first submarines in the late 19th century.
The rangefinder is even worse, it doesn’t even see exactly what the lens is seeing!
Back to your cave I guess.
Look forward to new Sony cameras! Just please price them right…
This is cool, but lets see if i can fix the colour…
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/285/0/f/untitled_by_facehugger5-d82kr48.jpg
What about the ‘pro’ thing?
Troll
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Hi, pls check source again, because FF can not be more than 36.6 mpix, simple physics 50 mpix can be on mid format frame. From Wikipedia:
Light usually refers to visible light, which is electromagnetic radiation that is visible to the human eye and is responsible for the sense of sight.[1] Visible light is usually defined as having a wavelength in the range of 400 nanometres (nm), or 400×10−9 m, to 700 nanometres – between the infrared, with longer wavelengths and the ultraviolet, with shorter wavelengths. Sooo In 36.6 Mpix one pixel size is 500 nanometers its almost percect for all waves of ligth.
I don’t get what the wavelength got to do with the WIDTH of the pixel. Classical speaking the light hit the pixel perpendicular to its dimension and the thickness would be more relevant, but if talking about wavelength’s actually QM effects should be considered: probability of the light freeing an electron and so on. But maybe you could just check the 24MP APS-C sensors, are they not working or do they violate physics?
24mpix aps-c pixel size is the same as on 36 mpix full frame,because crop 1.5. Simple speaking, if the hole(pixel) is 5cm diameter, and the pencil ( light wave) with 7cm diameter. Than pencil can not fit in the hole. If i am wrong, pls correct me
Great so my 1inch 20mp RX100 doesn’t actually exist? Damn… I knew it was too good to be true!
or the 20.7mp from my Sony Z3 1/2.3” sensor
A FF sensor has 2,25 times (1.5^2) the area of an APS-C crop 1.5 sensor. Thus, a FF sensor with the same pixel pitch as a 24 MP APS-C sensor has 54 MP.
Wavelength has something to do with pixel size because the size of a diffraction blur ‘disc’ is a function of the light wavelength (for a given f-stop). What can be debated is from which ratio between diffraction disc size and pixel size onwards the gains in resolution become too small to matter much. What complicates that point is that diffraction has such a predictable blur pattern such that there increasingly are ways to partially to apply deconvolution to back-calculate how the signal was before diffraction blurred it. They are far from perfect and likely never will be but the line dividing things is rather blurred (excuse the pun):
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/resolution.shtml
Thx for clarifying!!
The 36MP FF sensor has 4.88u photosites. The FF sensor will not max out until 200MP or so. [Source: Eric Fossum] Wavelength has nothing to do with pixel pitch.
Can you please share the link, whis source?
You got your calculation messed up. Pixel pitch of 4µm means a Pixel is 4µm × 4µm, or, 4000nm × 4000nm. So no problem. Pixel pitch << 1µm probably would not make sense, that amounts to more than 200Megapixel.
Canon sensor disagrees
Beside the IBIS, AF accuracy and speed is a must for me. Especially during normal and low ambient lighting condition.
The A7R is not known as a good low light performer. I am not sure if bumping the MP up would be a brilliant idea. It would circumscribe its application only to the landscape photography.
I wait A7S MK2 with 12mp sensor (the correct resolution for a good compromise in low light sensitivity and detail and especially in pro video recording) and a 4K (100mbps) internal.
Yes.
I don’t care about this.
Sony please hurry up and release a7s2!
I with A7sII I wait in the order of priority:
1. 1080P 4:2:2 – 10bits (Intra Long 150 Mbps minimum)
2. SLog3
3. Less moiré and Rolling Shutter
4. HDMI 10bits
4. IBIS 5 axes
5. Water Resistant
6. 4K Internal (Like GH4)
Please Mr Sony
Oh would love 150mbps, shot some 50P the other day and it’s pretty disappointing, in fact 50mbps 25P is also a byte too low. Proper 10bit 422 video, proper mpbs fitting frame rate (100fps at 50mbps… bleah!) 4K internal at something like 600mbit, like the fs7
So yes to the whole list, I wonder if they can do global shutter without killing the dynamic range. It is the thing I did not like about the BlackMagic 4K.
would like to add: massive swivel EVF 90 degree up, 20 degree down with nice eye fitting cup and as sharp as that gratical viewfinder from Z 🙂
There’s no way the a7sII will get a global shutter, when the FS7 doesn’t have one.
I do agree with this list though. Internal 4K with more features available via recorder with IBIS would be a dream.
Exactly what I want as well. Sony, please??
Such high bitrate recording would need XQD cards. I would be fine with ~150 Mbps, or a new, more efficient codec.
PSHHHHHHHHH
A 12MP sensor is not the best for 4K… but it does make it easy.
12mp is no use for large prints.
rolling shutter is no use for video recording.
night time camera is no use for professionals that can afford decent lighting.
sorry what were you using it for? there’s no “correct” resolution
Do you think its possible they add PDAF? I really dont think so..? I mean, MF is superior in what I shoot anyway, but I guess most people wouldnt wanna have a worse AF than A7II…
Almost 700 comments and the shouting continues.
The embarrassing reality of our times, just like armchair generals…armchair photographers with a lot of moaning, a lot of groaning, a lot of debt they think the world owes them and therefore they immediately have the need to punch the keyboard in a relentless, endless, meaningless effort to make themselves feel like they truly have something to say.
Maybe they are just trust fund babies.
Wow, that was so ironic.
What I would love to see is a 50MP medium format sensor that can take a inner mount which turns it into a 36MP E-mount hah. So you can switch to a nice canon or Nikon 70-200 or 400mm, maybe even include a aps-c 24mp mode for nature, global shutter WITH 14 stops dynamic range. So I can mount my old bronica or mamiya lenses, or just put a e-mount bellows and TS the mamiya 55… or go 24MP and drop my 400mm on and do some nice nature shooting. now that would be a nice package, although I would probably shoot everything in medium format anyway. Tried the pentax for a day, it’s glorious.
“that can take a inner mount”
It’s called an adapter and it has already been invented. E.g. C mount adapters 🙂
Wouldn’t it be fun if they used the combination of their Sensor-Stabilisation with a high-resolution Sensor? This would make it possible to go far beyond 50 MP like the Hasselblad. Use Sensor-Shift to take 2-4 images and “boom” you have 100+ MP 😉
I’m afraid that’s where my knowledge is limited… i haven’t had issues processing raw files so i haven’t gone looking for better alternatives. Infact, i convert my raw files from the commandline!
Folks, I have 4 words for you if what you want is 50MP+ with world shattering quality and also a Sony sensor: 645z. By the time you buy a A7rII and put proper glass on it, it’s about the same cost. And the bulk? Most of the top new fixed focal length lenses for 35mm mirrorlesses are BIGGER than mainstream medium format lenses. I find it an absurdity, that people are all jumping in this silly compact mirrorless cameras frenzy, and then put lenses on them that keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger, into form factors larger and totally unbalanced then a MF camera with a lens on it. Ridiculous! This is all I have to say.
I already have a bunch of A mount lenses – the CZ lenses are massive and look / feel wrong on the tiny A7r. Hopefully this problem is corrected and we can use and get the most out of these expensive lenses without using an adaptor which makes them even bigger and more unweildy, but only IF in fact Sony will actually produce this mythical camera. I’m hoping for an A9 not a A7r11. They need to make a camera designed for the Pros.
wouldn’t the camera designed for the pros be the a99?
” By the time you buy a A7rII and put proper glass on it, it’s about the same cost.”
ahahaha
I’m glad they keep coming out with new shiny objects, because soon I’ll be able to afford an excellent used camera that somebody will be selling because they couldn’t stop drooling over the latest and greatest model.
When will the A7iii be released? I hope that it has the following:
– 83MP organic sensor with shifting ability to create a 3GB panorama
– 9k resolution for video with a new super codec that can write onto a microSD card with no overheating issues
– the entire camera weighs 1 pound
– pre-loaded Instagram filters for awesome OOC jpgs
Please Sony!!!
I’ve heard it will have a hole instead of the EVF , to get that 100% super duper clear view :/
Photos of my cat will be so detailed!
woof
So much for accurate predictions! In the meantime, Canon stuns the photography world with a 50 MP beauty! Now if we could only have those MP-numbers in a mirrorless Zeiss-lens Sony that looks like a traditional Leica!!!
give:
50mp sensor,
wifi
mirrorless
a Sony tablet with windows 10 to tether to
fecking fast AF
built in time lapse
built in radio flash trigger,
support to control via mobile phone
lighter weight than all previous bodies,
longer battery life
5mp screen/viewfinder that can be seen in sunlight
and the ability to heat up the body and use it as an iron in the morning.
In the meantime Canon stuns with 50MP beauty?? You men with a camera that nobody can use yet? And the one with the landscape dedicated sensor…. that still is stuck with 2007 levels of low ISO dynamic range?? And the one where they don’t improve fps, buffer or storage space when you shoot it in crop mode (just to make sure it can’t function as a more general all around camera)??
Just need the A7s with updated controls. Don’t need size only quality 🙂
A long time source got information that the new Sony A7rII is arriving with a 50 Megapixel sensor. I am right now asking him when the digicam will be declared and how it looks. Keep tuned in, got the feeling he can tell me more and that the digicam is arriving sometimes…soon
Spybubble
Its moor likely that Sony will extend there revenue range with an A7rII 32MP and also produce an a9II 50MP this makes moor market ability sense.
A9II? What happened to the A9?
The rumor that got away – lol
I hear from a buddy who’s gf works at a store that hears about sony rumors from a guy who used to work for the daughter of a sony connoseur’s trusted source that the new Camera Sony is getting ready to release will have some of the following features:
1- 50.1MP so suck it Canon
2- Wifi.1 so suck it wifi
3- Cool Techier Name A7elemenopee mark infinity
4- and it will win the award for best camera ever made ever of all cameras. that’s an actual features the camera has in the settings menu
You can never trust that kind of girl.
A few of the emount lenses like the FE 55mm1.8 are wonderful, so pairing them with sensor shift IS will help to achieve the potential of the high megapixels. Add improved autofocus and better high ISO performance… and then add a few more super high quality lenses…to me these are the things that will help most. After experience with both D750 and A7r it does seem as though we are reaching the point of diminishing returns from further from more pixels…they add less and less to image quality, degrade low light performance and overshoot the capability of reasonably sized lenses anyway. So I am hoping for these items of fine tuning so that a higher percent of my pictures are keepers. Sebastian, please pass my message to your buddy’s brother so it can get right to the top at Sony.
I have an A7R now and I would definitely upgrade to a 50.
Please add momentary EVF magnification(hold & magnify)!
Please Sony!
Pretty please..
Please, please, please, please please…
Okay I’m done for now.