RX100m4 may has a larger FT sensor similar to the one of the LX100.
One source told me the new RX camera(s) will be announced in June. It’s rumored that there will be a new RX100m4 camera and maybe a new RX FF (curved sensor?) too. Another new Dutch source told me the RX100m4 will be in stores in The Netherlands as soon as July (2015).
What features are you hoping to see on the new RX100m4 if it comes?
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Don’t care about the RX100, but for the RX FF:
-built in EVF
-size kept similar to RX1
-MP boost (cropping more important because of lack of zoom)
-no image stabilizer. Stabilizer will make it more bulky and isn’t needed for a 35mm lens.
-general improvements. Doesn’t matter if it’s curved sensor, faster lens or better AF, all of them would be good.
Basically I just want an updated RX1. Tempted to buy an RX1, but it feels wrong to put down that much money for 3 year old technology.
Add a tiltable touch screen (with an off option) and I am in
Recent posts on the wall of the unofficial ambassador to Sony cams Facebook page would seem to indicate that indeed there is a very special RX coming soon. I mean if you think about it, a new RX Full Frame would have to be other worldly, in order to justify purchasing a fixed lens over one of the most excellent A7 ILC models. June is looking like it’s going to be a very big month for us Sony fans…
It would take a lot to get me to replace my LX100 so soon, but a truly pocket-able 1″ sensor, 4K camera would be awesome.
I’d actually quite like to see a refresh of Sony’s TX compact line of rugged cameras, with OIS and 4K video. Please.
Other than that, hard to predict what Sony would do with the Mk4.
Apart from a better grip I do not miss anything (take a look at the Lumix, something like this…)
I don’t think there’s much wrong with the RX100III in terms of features and specs, it seems a pretty well sorted camera. I wouldn’t mind a bigger EVF if they could find a way to do it, but I suspect that’s not easy. Better control layout is always nice. I’d really like a touchscreen for focus select and shutter release, but Sony seem not to believe in them on EVF cameras.
I think a FT sensor won’t do much for it, because they’d have to go to a smaller aperture to maintain physical size. If they went FT I think it would make more sense to have a separate substantially bigger camera (RX200 or whatever) competing with the Panasonic, and keep the RX100III on sale.
I’d expect some notable increase in video performance, because that’s a rising tide that’s lifting all boats.
TBH I’d rather have a price drop than the developments I can imagine happening. The current camera works fine, in its role…
The only thing that the RX100m3 can be envious of the Panasonic LX100 is the larger sensor (better depth of field separation) andthe slightly faster lens at the widest focal length.
Perhaps if the new RX100m4 had a larger sensor but kept a similar size, it would be great. Even if it meant it had a shorter zoom (maybe 24-50) or even a fixed focal length just to accomodate the size.
All else is nice.
I am not a huge fan of the pop-up EVF design, but I appreciate its reasoning for not being part of the body to keep the size down.
Don’t forget 4k video. For the LX100, that’s huge as the video IQ is pretty special.
Sorry to disagree, but the 4K video from the LX100 is not special. It may be like the GH4, which it even has bad macroblocking on the shadows, but def not on the level of the AX100.
Go on vimeo and compare AX100 and GH4, someone posted the videos and besides the depth of field, you’ll see why the AX100 is the best 4K of the two. Nevermind the LX100 which has more moire than the GH4. The codec is good, but not outstanding.
So, if anything, it should be more of a AX100 if 4K but I would prefer a better than XAVC-S codec for 1080p than a 100mbit 4K codec.
Not many compact cameras that shoot better 4k than the LX100 for about $700. The AX100 isn’t a great stills camera and it costs about $1000 more. At that price point the NX1 is a better option.
But, there aren’t other cameras shooting 4K in the size category of the LX100 with the same sized sensor.
If we are going to wish for LX100 features on a new RX100m4, then we might as well point out the things that could be more useful than just any 4K video.
Well, if I don’t get my $199 A7r, this might be next on my list. :p
Forget about that “deal”…Sony sent cancellation emails to everyone who ordered it.
Still waiting on my cancellation……..
I would appreciate a 100mbit video codec ala AX100 with the same lens as the RX100m3 and design. That alone would make me go for it.
If it had a larger sensor it would also be nicer but I understand the need to keep things small.
– new sensor: improved image quality
– really bright lens: eq. 24-70mm f/1.4-2
– touch screen
– larger body/lens, better grip, more manual controls
If your are going 4/3, why not just stick an APS-C sensor in there? The thought was to have an RX 1 inch, APS-C and full frame camera(s).
Presumably, because as the sensor grows, it gets very hard to keep down the size of the lens. The RX100 series are already a huge step beyond what was considered possible just a few years ago.
‘tsup guys? how ya doin?
The only thing thats keeping me from buying the RX100III is the lack of 4k video so i hope they will bring it in the never version.
4k video please. video is nice on rx100 3 so build on that. main thing i want is a GRIP to hold it.
I hope the rumors about a lack of viewfinder aren’t true. Really want a viewfinder.
Other than that, my wish-list is:
– class leading low-light performance
– good/improved stabilization
– sharp
– fast/improved AF
– an extra custom button or two
– touch-screen focus
the promised three-year wait?)))
Wither the RX10 successor?
Yes that would be great. How about a four thirds bridge camera with a f2.8 zoom ? If anyone can do it in a reasonable sized package it’s sony.
I don’t think the new RX1 will be cheap.. 🙂 the “old” one can still take amazing images,
I don’t mind paying premium money for cutting edge technology, but $2800 for a 3 year old RX1 feels more expensive to me than $3500 for an updated version. A used RX1 would be a good option, and I know its image capabilities will fulfill my needs, but I can’t deny the fun of having the newest technology.
RX1 competitor by Leica coming up: http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/leica-to-announce-a-new-full-frame-fixed-lens-camera-on-june-10
If you need tele, you need IS regardless of you crop or zoom.
True, but I very much doubt the new RX1 will have much to offer when it comes to tele-photo. With a fixed 35mm lens I feel comfortable with cropping to a 50mm equivalent or a bit further if they increase the MP count, but not enough to make up for the extra size IS would add. The RX1 is all about maximum image quality in minimum packaging.
And he obviously doesn’t need tele, but a 35mm on a FF camera. I think IBIS is totally redundant on a single lens camera. Optical stabilization is much more suitable there. As for the price, if it had a curved sensor, I expect price to be much higher (very limited number of sensors + new lens design).
The main advantage of OIS over IBIS is that OIS is custom-built and tuned for a specific lens, while IBIS tries to work with any lens you attach to the camera.
In a fixed-lens camera, there’s not much advantage to one or the other. Either way it’s optimized for a specific focal length and optical design.
for WA, x != sin(x) != tan(x) which IBIS cannot compensate but OIS can
Um, can you clarify that? Which angle are you calling x, and why x would be any larger for a WA lens? (At least, I think you meant larger, because otherwise, your equation is true for any nonzero x)?
shift distance is not same in picture center and corners.
x is angle between optical axis and ray from object, it’s larger for WA by definition
Thank you for the explanation! Except, wouldn’t OIS have the same problem? The corrective element can only shift the image, it cannot change the perspective/geometric distortion at the edges. Can you maybe point me to a site with more details?
On a separate point, one advantage of IBIS systems is the ability to compensate for rolling (the rotation of the camera around the optical axis that happens when the shutter button is pressed). That effect is strongest for WA.
With OIS it will depend on lens design.
Roll effect is exactly the same for WA and tele.
My dream would actually be a 50mm lens on a FF camera, but I don’t think they’ll be able to pull that off without increasing the size, so 35mm and high MP would have to do.
OIS would of course be welcomed if they were able to make it small. Looking at how they had to increase the size of a7mii, I doubt IBIS would be able to fit.
he’s going to use drop as digital teleconverter
Your whislist looks like mine.
The whole charm of the RX100 series was that it had great image quality but still fitted in my jeans pocket. It was a real “take anywhere without any hassle” camera. If the 4th one gets a larger sensor, it is bound to get a larger body and it loses one of its (in my eyes) big selling points.
I do not see why Sony would want to bring the RX100 closer to their APS-C line, besides maybe giving some breathing room to their compact camera’s with tiny sensors of which they are selling less and less anyway. Either way a strange move from Sony.
Well what is on my list:
Larger Zoom – best from ultra wide amgle 20mm all up to 100mm
a curved or RGBW sensor for improved low light
usefull touchscreen (similar to the canon G7X)
Phase detect autofocus on chip (available on some sensors / cameras)
and of course 4K video
all stuffed in the same awesome case like before.
Most of it seems doable, since canon has done it on the G7X and sony has the ability to manufacture Curved RGBW Sensors (as they have already proved)
If they really go with a larger sensor, a larger zoom is probably not in the cards. Larger sensor means larger image circle, larger image circle means larger glass – just to keep the same focal length and aperture.
These parameters pretty much balance each other out. Improve any one of them, and the rest have to compensate:
Zoom range,
Sensor size,
Aperture,
Size/weight,
Image quality (sharpness/contrast/vignetting/distortions).
The only exception from this rule is when they come up with radically new optical designs, use more exotic glass elements, and increase reliance on software correction (not a bad thing in my opinion, but there are limits).
I thought that using a curved sensor implies a fixed focal length oÓ
They should complete the line-up with a APS-C and a MF camera.
Something like the Fuji GA645Zi would be great.
For me, it needs an EVF that won’t retract when my eyeglasses bump against it. That is my sole reason for not already owning an RX100…
I’d like to see both as this would make once amazing travel kit – but unless they get the A6000/5100 AF, I’ll pass. I have two FF 35mm lenses that the RX2 could replace if it has decent AF.
LOSSLESS RAW FOR F*** SAKE !!! And APS-C and lossless 4k output. Thanks Santa.
“RX100m4 may has”
Oy.
“a larger FT sensor similar to the one of the LX100.”
No way. Either sensor stays the same size, or the name will change.
“What features are you hoping to see on the new RX100m4 if it comes?”
Not hoping, it will probably has the same sensor and lens, an updated processor with better video codec and slightly faster AF. AT BEST, they might add OSPDAF and/or 4k.
A longer 1.8-2.8 lens is also a possibility. Say 28-100 instead of 24-75
I am pretty sure they will keep the same lens for at least 2 generations, RX100M3 being the 1st of them. Economies of scale you know. Besides, 100/2.8 will make it larger (although Canon managed to make it pretty small in G7X, without sacrificing wide end to the pathetic 28mm).
“No way. Either sensor stays the same size, or the name will change.”
RX100m4/3! Perfect! :3
If sensor is a 4/3 one and the body more compact than Pany’s LX100, I don’t think that a much graeter zoom range will be possible…
My personnal dream would be a zoom starting at 20 or 21mm equivalent, something that no other compact camera can offer today, and very useful for architecture or landscape photography for example…
I own the RX100m3 and I love it so here is my list of things that they need to improve:
1.The autofocus is the worst autofocus in the world, specially for video, so the have to fix that ASAP .
2.S-Log2 gamma I mean whats the point of using XAVC S if you can’t color grade it.
3.ISO performance. (Sony please why don’t you make a mini A7s)
4.Custom buttons, please add more of them, would make my life easier.
5.4k output please!! why a small GoPro can output 4k and my 800 dollars camera can’t?
6. 5 axis IBIS like the one on the A7mk2
7. Better Grip
If sony can make that happen I would be a happy camper, but I guess is all just a dream, like brand new $199.99 sony A7r that I bought from sony.com that might never come. I’m still hoping they will honor it. just for the sake of making more costumers to switch to Sony but only time will tell.
Nice wish list.
By the way – They cancelled all the $200 A7r orders. I got an email from them a few hours after order confirmation.
I know, i’ve seen the mails, what a weekend! I woke up my wife in the morning like hey wake up! and now she all pissed lol I woke her up for nothing but hey at least it was fun.
Mine hasn’t been cancelled yet.
RX100 line already has BSI sensor, how do you think they would improve it?
Maybe with a 12 px sensor like the one on the a7s that would gather more light or the new rumored curved sensor. Can you imagine a small A7s? Something like that. But is just my take on what unwound live to have on my all day camera, it’s very good for daylight photos but in low light its noisy
I agree with internal 4k
Sony 1″ sensor already can do 4k even it’s 20 MP
Small A7s? Yep, so instead of noise being apparent at 400 ISO, it will be apparent at 550.
Sure, it will be better, but thats no A7s by any means. Sensor is still tiny. And sensor size is the primary reason for high SNR. Pixel size comes second and only matters when comparing same sized sensors.
Sensor only picks up light which falls on it.
Still using the org RX100mk1 daily. Only had to replace the lens assembly which basically cost me about half the price of a new mk1 on eBay. 🙁
Anyhow the feature I’m most keen on having is good 4k with 30min recording. And maybe a wider lens 20-22mm would be sweet also. I’m here shooting a self funded Doco on a new cancer treatment that only china has, and I shoot talking head interviews and need three 4k cameras in as small a body to travel with as I can get for multicam interviews.
The smaller the cameras the better for my use as I travel all over on ebike. A backpack with my cams n sound gear, and a pelican 1510 with the lighting gear and nano stands and nano clamps with magic arms which hold all three bodies on one tripod. One’s wide the other two are closer in for head and shoulders.
I almost jumped in with the lx100 until I saw the bad 4k qual and 15min limit. So had to cross that off the list. The G7 seems perfect so far and priced nicely but bodies are huge… So a great 4k qual RX100 mk4 would be ideal for my needs. Otherwise three Panasonic G7 with kit lenses will get my coins. Just waiting to see what Sony gives us before I jump onboard with 4k.
I have to say that Sony has excellent support here in China at their Sony branded super stores with onsite repairers. Panasonic is almost impossible to even buy here.. No rep at all. That alone go’s a huge way in sonys favor. Professional support is everything. Apple on the other hand has just let me down in a huge way. I’m living in the 3rd largest city in China, called Guangzhou. No Apple Store, not even a apple authorized repair center. My MacBook bit the dust last week, no support from Apple.. Have to buy a new MacBook instead and send my old one back to Australia for Gpu logic board fix up. How bad is that! The bloody things are made just 300kms away darn it!
If I were you, i’d just buy a cheap chineese board that fits that notebook. Take it apart and swap parts out yourself. The chipset will be the same. Graphics card the same. Its all manufactured by the likes of Foxconn and Quanta anyways.
I swapped the motherboard of my HP a few times already. Even decided to use parts from a higher end model. Bought CPU cheap, motherboard and cooling from a higher end model. Turned it into a laptop that used to cost $3000. And it all started with an $800 laptop. Total spent – about $300 for all the extra parts. Motherboard was about $100
Nice idea, but have you seen how thin MacBooks are? Lols.. No chance of swapping board for some other manufacturers board. PC based laptops maybe, but no chance of cramming anything other than the org board back in a MacBook. I like the idea though 🙂
I did mean original, just not with Apple logo on in. Apple doesnt make anything, there is always some other contractor in the pipeline. For HP laptops its Quanta. For iPhones its Foxconn. You just have to find out who makes boards for your model of macbook
I would think shooting 4k would reduce the camera count by at least one, as you could crop for a tight shot.
Three 4k cams would give me about five to seven different shots I guess ? Depends on framing and punch in zoom… My mini magic arms are about 6inches on the outside legs pointing crisis cross for a different POV angle. Should be fun to try
No viewfinder and no hot shoe (small like the rx100m1)
28-100 mm f1.8-2.8
Water resistant (like pro dslr’s)
I would like t see the hot shoe come back and a mic input
otherwise, the Rx100 III is fine with me.
RX2 28mm!
It won’t compete with current rx1 and the premium za fe 35 1.4
I’ve been waiting since the end of last year for the rx2, please come soon..
μ43 sensor in RX100 would be quite interesting
The bad part is Sony is nowhere near Panasonic’s expertise in software autofocusing technics, so we are doomed to have not particularly reliable (still can be fast) predictive AF that only works in good light.
Another bad part is Sony have quite a little idea about photography, so their cameras miss or done wrong many useful options: HDR, picture format (1×1, 4×3, etc) what are quite easy to implement.
At least you stopped complaining about E-mount lacking distance scales 😀
RX2 – IBIS, Wifi, tilt screen, built in EVF, top of line auto focus, better ISO, leaf shutter, weather sealed . Sums it up for me,
that will probably make it as big as the a7
Curved FF CMOS, 35/1.7, add tilt screen and IBIS…then I’ll probably take this over a possible a7RII.
Wishlist for the MK4:
* thread on the lens for mounting a filter (the aftermarket solutions are awkward IMO)
* a 24-120mm (35mm equiv.) zoom range; f/2.4-3.4 would be acceptable to me
* timelapse mode (taking a picture every X seconds), maybe this is already in MK3?
* a battery with a micro-USB connection for charging outside the camera
* weatherproofing would be cool
* change the PASM wheel into a general control wheel that can be pushed to switch between to controls (I love this on my GH1)
Can the ring around the lens control the zoom on the MK3? I dislike using W/T switches.
I would love to see the RX100 grow a little bit and get “old school” controls like the Panasonic LX100 but that’s not going to happen as it would completely change the character of the camera.
I believe the RX100MK4 comes with 4K. At least it looks like a RX100 camera on the published “Vision 4K” by Sony.