The new 15-30mm f/2.8 DI VC USD. Image courtesy: BHphoto.
The following rumor is from a very good Tamron source. The source shared the following very interesting info:
– Tamron is working on a new SP.2 lens line. It is made to resolve the High resolution Full Frame sensors coming from Sony. In detail Sony told Tamron that it’s “around” 46 megapixel.
– The 15-30mm f/2.8 DI VC USD lens Tamron announced at Photokina is the first of the new SP.2 line. It will work fine on those new Sony ≈50MP FF cameras.
– Tamron is also working on the design of two prime lenses that can resolve such a resolution.
Also interesting: The source said that Sony sensor will come for both A and E-mount FF cameras. Although he could not tell me which camera will come first and when it will be released.
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Note: The source is trustworthy because he shared the 15-30mm f/2.8 lens info before the announcement. Back at Photokina I didn’t post the info because it was of the many new sources with rumors I could not confirm via trusted sources.
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So no sensor shift trick?
A real 50MP sensor, then it has to be an non bayer sensor.
My guess is, that A9 and A99 II are comming more or less at the same time.
Exactly. Seems to be a “real” 50MP sensor!
Just another thought.
If you replace bayer pixel (one of RGBG) with a a pixel that can read all colors at one (RGBW) you would increase resolution about 4 times or you could replace RGBG pixels with one “gigant” pixel right?
Will we hear detailed things about A9 and A99 II this month or in january?
Thanks so far
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Are we talking 3 layer foveon like, bayer, or color sampling?
3 layered with on-chip PDAF and full Canon and Nikon electronic protocol communication.
I have no idea yet. But I think it’s a “regular” Bayer sensor
If Sony keeps innovating at this pace, your newly released and purchased Sony camera will be outdated by the time the shipping company delivers it to your door.
Even if something is not the very latest version it could still be usable for a years to come.
Decades to come even if we are talking about camera lenses.
Ah, these outdated cameras that can’t take photos!
If no one purchased new cameras because the old ones can still take photos, Sony would be long gone as a camera company.
In that scenario, most companies would be gone. You are basically asking for slower releases just to tame your purchase insecurities.
And what’s the alternative, never buying a camera?
I’m loving all of these new Sony releases. The other big players should be worried.
Why do you think that? everyone except canon buys their image sensors. My guess is that nikon will have a better camera with the same 50mpx sensor by the end of 2015
Why do you think that Nikon will have a “better” camera?
Because nikon’s cameras with Sony’s sensors beat Sony’s cameras every time in sensor scores.
No IBIS, no OVF, no focus peaking, no focus magnification, no facial recognition etc. So the person that only looks at basic test measurements as opposed to actually taking pictures would think that. And you would be wrong.
Photography did never actually involve stuff like face detection. There were magnifiers for ground glass, split prism viewfinders, rangefinders and other tools like distance marks. I think all this peaking, zebra stuff gets in the way when it comes down to the most basic thing. Seeing as “vision” of somthing you wanna say. I feel that these gadgets they just obstruct my view, and theyre no extensions of the alphabet.
What about EVF and the “what you see is what you get” ?
Does a well-built evf obstruct your vision ?
Viewfinders like the one on the A7 or FUJI XT1 are far from bad. Still I have the impression of something in between me and the subject. I know that in professional video this has always been the case. Those EVFs are very capable for video and Sony is one of the biggest players in electronic news gathering. I don’t wanna bash EVF or “21st century” camera design but my approach is to have all the decisions made in my mind. I can check the result on the LCD and RGB histogram when i think i have to.
But when you let a camera decide on how to “properly” frame a picture, or equally worse, letting it choose the instant of capture, it’s massively programmatic and in my opinion the death of photography.
EVF doesn’t frame for you and doesn’t choose the instant. It’s just a TOOL.
It just show you how your photography will be and in some case assist you in manual focusing, chosing the right exposure, seing in the dark…
For over a hundred years there have been cameras without any of those things, and beautiful photos have still been taken. Those attributes are all window dressing to the thing that actually records the image, be it film or sensor. You may tell me I’m wrong, but I’ll stick with the better performing sensor over the latest fad.
Yes it’s true that many beautiful photos were taken without these improvements, but denying the effectiveness of them is just foolish. They can and do improve the process of focusing and framing an image, which can easily be seen in the results. The minor (almost non existent) sensor measurement differences have such a minimal effect on image quality as not to even be noticeable even under 100% magnification. Proper framing and focus can easily be seen and that’s where the Sony cameras have the advantage. If you really like 20th century camera design then go with the Nikon, but don’t use the excuse that it’s because of the better image quality. That’s BS and you know it fanboy.
Despite the crassness, I agree with you that these enhancements can make the shooting process easier for some people. They are ancillary technologies that do not directly affect the imaging process however, but rather assist in proper technique. In certain imaging situations those improvements in sensor quality, minor to you, are quite important to the photographer.
Sensors are the latest fad. You may also want to skip AF and matrix metering. Window dressing, you know. Just go buy that more expensive Nikon that has the same sensor and then put a DXO sticker on it.
If you think sensors are a fad, I expect you’ll want to invest in film. I believe that a pinhole in the right hands can take better pictures than the latest Sony or Nikon in the wrong hands. The challenge is learning how to get the right hands!
Canon’s sensor oiling system keeps the sensor at peak performance by inhibiting rust.
That’s Nikon. LOL
So close to a good joke!
LMAO
Nikon is just barely hanging on and that’s because of the Sony sensors, otherwize Canon (worst sensors in the business) would have put them out of business years ago.
What are you gonna do when I sell my Sony kit (now, before it’s worth nothing) and have no reason to come back? You’ll have to come over to nikon rumors for your fix.
So, it’s better “sensor scores”, not cameras? And, yeah, huge difference in the sensor performance on the Nikons, lol. Clueless troll.
The A-mount is dead crowd appear to be getting quieter.
Just wait for it.
I’m not sure that there have been any encouraging signs of it not dying.
A-mount is one advanced LA-EA adapter away from death in terms of camera bodies. The lenses will last years, just as good lenses always do, but I don’t see any future for A-mount bodies, especially if LA-EA adapters improve and the A9 is as good as rumoured.
As the lenses last years, that is all people care about. No one planned to keep their a-mount body 20 years around for the latest lenses..
I’m not sure about that. Some here are convinced E-mount bodies can never compete in terms of AF and ergonomics.
As far as ergonomics go, they surely can compete: there’s literally nothing that prevents Sony from releasing an E-Mount camera that’d look exactly as A99.
It’s not because we don’t still think it’s happening, but that it’s not as much of a concern anymore. After seeing what the new A7II offers (and thus, presumably most/all e-mount bodies to come), I’ll be perfectly happy adapting my A-mount lenses to the new E-mount bodies. The shortcomings have been addressed (IMO). So I still think A-mount is dead, but now I don’t care.
That would be interesting because, according to DXOMark, only a very few lenses reach above 20 MP resolution on Sony FF, and even less above 30 MP.
Nonsense.
DxO’s resolution number is an aggregate. Their field map data is great but because they eschew MTF data and line pairs it is mosleading in the context you are using. The real question is can a lens resolve detail adequately for a certain pixel density? If so, where and what aperture? Just in the center? Stopped down? The issue is not black and white and therefore prone to misleading information being spread. There are very few lenses that can resolve detail for that pixel density wide open even in the center third of the image circle. However many more will do it stopped down.
would love to see them really developping for e-mount too. My dreamlens would be a more compact 24-70 f2.8 lens that works fine with the alpha 7mII.
About the lens: Great 2.8 alternative to the great 16-35/4 OSS – which I already own.
About 50 mpix A9: Interesting to see what Sony will bring early 2015. Already have the A7r. Will there also be a A7r II? For sure, have already started saving money.
Whats wrong with the 7r can’t be fixed through firmware. Much as I’m not a fan of buying a new body every year it has to happen this time. Hopefully sooner than later.
Tamron and Sigma are making great lenses now… for DSLR.
And Sony is killing DSLR off in favor of mirrorless.
Unfortunately, it seems we’d have to buy a Nikon to benefit from these lenses.
(Please no stupid comments about LA-EA4 again).
Unless the rumor is right and they’re also going to make them for A mount.
So? Sony is killing off A-Mount in favor of E.
BS.
If only.
… you looked at the overwhelming evidence that A-mount is continuing, versus the valid, but lonely, assumption that it isn’t.
LOL? There has been no evidence of that so far.
I don’t see any real advantages in mirrorless, but that’s where Sony seems to be at.
Lol, obviously, you can’t see it.
havent you heard the news? sony is discontinuing a-mount dec 31st. (sr5)
nvm
I saw it in the executive bathroom at Sony’s headquarters written on the wall in the second stall.
You ask for not stupid comments about LA-EA4, by making one yourself. Brilliant!
That’s ok, because nikon does a better job with Sony’s sensors than Sony does. So if they do release a 50mp sensor, nikon will get it, turn it into something great, and then you can have a full line of 3rd party lenses. Sounds like a win win.
1.1kg…ok… 🙁
More or less the same as Zeiss 16-35/2.8…
Tamron makes the best mainstream third party zooms and Sigma the best mainstream third party primes.
What’s the new SP 2 line? I see that Tamron dropped the golden ring of their lenses and this new one has a silver one…
http://photobyandrei.wordpress.com/
The Tamron SP series is Tamron’s version of Sony’s Zeiss, Canon’s L, Sigma’s Art, etc.
I asked a Tamron rep back in April about them making prime lenses. He told me that they would not because their philosophy was that they could make zooms as sharp as primes. I did not say anything but I thought the might be a little ill! haha Anyway, have you heard of the Tamron primes from reliable sources or more than one source?
While it may make sense for DSLR’s, if you want smaller lenses, primes make more sense, ceteris paribus. So maybe Sony specifically asked for primes too for FF E mount cameras (they have around 11% of the Tamron shares IIRC, so they’re no strangers).
SEL50F18 is a Tamron design (patent owned by them)
Such high MP, means screw up high ISO due to smallest pixel size…?
Just get a low mp camera and leave us alone… There are tons of cameras with lower mp on market already
No.
Not, if they get rid of the bayer layout and start some stacked ones (or anything that can represent all colors in one pixel)
You said that about the 36 mp sensor too, still wrong.
Will the E-mount FF Tamron work with the IBIS natively, or you will need to adjust the focal lenght manually, like on third part lenses?
Native E mount lenses tend to communicate with the bodies (Exif), which means that IBIS shouldn’t require manual input. 3rd party or not.
90 and 180 macro, obviously.
The news of a 50ish mp sensor for A mount would be encouraging if true….we have heard many many many such rumors and the A mount cameras simply do not materialize.
So while Sony may have some vague plan for an A mount future tucked away in the furthest corner of thier deepest darkest warehouse…any hope for a real A mount future is just empty unfulfilled words with little if any basis in actual action.
The plan seems to be to support A mount with laea4, or possibly an improved version of it….and IBIS on E mount.
I would like to see Sony license thier laea4 technology to a third party who might also be able to license proprietary lens specs from Canon and Nikon.
This could produce a laea4 like E mount adapter for Canikon lenses.
If Sony is unwilling or unable to license Canikon lens specs then they should enable someone else to make this adapter as it would greatly increase sales of their new camera.
What a boring old man, droning on about the same thing again and again every single post. I bet your parties are an absolute blast.
Every topic here is the same old thing…so mayby you should visit different websites every day so you won’t be so bored.
You don’t have to worry about my my boring parties either because you were never invited.
You obviously don’t have parties. I was being hypothetical.
Why are you so obsesed with my parties when you can sit home alone with such an interesting person as yourself.
You don’t have parties. I think you’re the one who is alone.
I can only say that there are weird ppl on these sites. Paid by Sony or paid by some else, poor, unemplyed or just nuts .. it’s hard to understand. What drives you to these retarded attacks .. what are you trying to acchieve?? Do you even know your self?
Yes, I’m paid by Sony to tell animalsbybarry he is boring. Interesting idea… and *I’m* the weird one.
It’s your party and you can cry if you want to.
id go to one of your parties if you invite me. it might be weird though depending on what the dress code is?
I would not have enough space to invite SAR.
In fact if only half my critics showed up I would not be able to fit them all.
I also do not think I would enjoy such a party.
You are like a broken record. So desperate after your sigma sport.
It would be nice if there was a mount conversion kit for the LAEA4 for Nikon and Canon that translated their protocols to Sony A for full use of the adapter.
Also I wonder why there isn’t an adapter for Sony A to use a Nikon F on it as the A mount is wider and close to 2mm shorter. Because even if you could develop a chip to translate from F to A mount you can’t add it an adapter which would be more of an ideal solution to me.
Obviously not gonna happen.
Can the Touit and Loxia lenses resolve upto 50MP?
No. Those are good enough for advanced amateurs only. But I don’t care.
Only 49MP.
Oh really?
He’s lying, they are actually only good for 48mp
Oh yeah you are the fairy that tells nothing but the truth. Seriously guys, can the Touit and Loxia lenses resolve higher than 24MP?
Personally, I do believe in second advent of A mount. There were hints few years ago and some signs recently too. There shall be no doubt when it comes. It will wipe the floor and clean up the way for a better future without mirrors.
Without mirrors there’d be no A-Mount, what are you talking about?
Just like E-Mount egronomics are not bound by flange distance, A-Mount going mirrorless is not bound by the mount or mirror currently being there. Only lack of imagination can keep it from progressing. When OSPDAF tracking focus becomes as good as dedicated, Sony can easily remove the mirror. Having an adapter is never a good solution, when native mount is available, and for Sony it doesnt take much to slap the same electronics into a different body, just to saturate the portfolio. We all have witnessed that already with lots of different models, A65 is the most recent camera that comes to mind, that is purposefully crippled by firmware.
First, because of ergonomics, as Stan said. Second, because A mount seems to be much more comfortable for optical designers, even today.
Ergonomics have nothing to do with the mount. They can produce a big E-Mount anytime.
I love my A7…but it does not replace a SLT. Why? It’s a combination of factors…but no way I’d prefer mounting this thing on an FE camera over an A99II.
Yeah once they are released and tested at some proper site … it exists. 🙂
By chance any word at all what the fixed focal lengths might be? The relatively new 60mm f/2.0 is a very good lens and it would be great if they went a bit more towards the shorter focal lengths (probably only wishful thinking….)
50mp? I seriously doubt it. This should be an SR1.
What us the highest resolving consumer lens we have today?
How many lenses will even resolve 24 million pixels today?
My SAL1650 has no problems outresolving a 24mp APSC sensor at f4. Same design tolerances for a FF sensor, could directly translate into 54mp+.
My Tamron 70-300 also outresolves the sensor at 70mm f4. 300mm never reaches that sharpness level, no matter how much it is stopped down. Now i’m sure that there are plenty of better lenses than SAL-1650 or the Tamron.
If you look at lens tests on DXO and photozone, you will see a pattern, that almost all lenses have shown themselves as better performers on higher resolution sensors. The ones that didnt, were horrible to begin with.
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So what your saying is the 20 buck Seikanon 28-80 manual focus lens I just bought with a whopping 6 FOOT focusing distance probably won’t fare too well with 50MP?
What i’m saying is that we will not know until the sensor comes out. My crappy $50 Minolta MC Rokkor 58/1.4, that has been converted to A-Mount, outresolves the sensor at f4. Sure, contrast is crap wide open, flare issues, ca sucks, etc etc, but the resolution is there. However a crappy Sigma 135/2.8 that I used to have, was struggling even on my 35mm film XD11 Minolta.
Isn’t contrast something to do with the coatings? My Mino 50mm 1.7 MD is pretty impressive except for wide open. Stop it down to 2.8 and the contrast is massively improved. I also think contrast can be over-rated in some instances- certainly not all.
Yeah, the MC version has older coatings. Anything below 2.8 has por contrast with lots of ghosting. Making my A65 look like an old cell phone with a finger oil covered lens.
I wonder what the actual resolution of the $4000 OTUS is, it’s the benchmark. This may well be an excellent lens, but………….
Pretty much every lens benefits from more MP,Its just not linear and there are diminishing returns. I guarantee that crap 16-50mm Sony kit lens will resolve more detail on a 50MP Sony than a 24 or 36MP one.
You may as well not notice it, but I think many lens company starts taking lens aesthetics seriously… Hopefully we don’t have to see another lenses with annoying text and band of red or gold.
Great news for those pathetic souls that have nothing better to do then staring at lenses on a shelf.
Come on man, you’re pathetically strict. Having a nice looking lens gives more confidence. Just like driving an Aston Martin…
This lens is very appealing. No doubt for under 1K it would be a serious bargain. Hope I get an A99II to go with it.
They’d make a killing by releasing it with proprietary filter set, or holder, or even put a notch on front for accessory filter line. Lens looks promising. But I’m baffled why no designers are thinking beyond the initial product. Nothing stands alone these days.
BTW, I love Tamron SP. Still have original 70-210 with the handy tripod puck for comfy hand held shooting. Somebody thought ahead with that offering. And those old Tammy’s have the smoothest zoom rings in the business… great for video.
Yeah, I just bought a Tokina 17mm RMC for my A7. I’m liking these lenses, but I’m not enjoying using my alpha glass on it. It’s just the way it is and I prefer a bigger body for fast glass. I could add the grip to beef it up, but what’s the point. I really hope Sony gives us a cheaper A88 or a worthwhile A99 successor.
Try LAEA-1 with inner baffle removed (three screws), making it full frame capable. Excellent with all the Minolta originals like 28/2 and 100/2. Very compact, with full exif and camera control (aside from AF). The LAEA-4 is a pig by comparison.
I have the Toky 17AF. Works a dream with LAEA-1. Not as contrasty as the Mino 20, but just as sharp. Great distortion control.
Hope 50mp sensor allows for multiple lower RAW resolution options and formats like classic 8×10, 16×20, square, and possible oval format. Don’t always need 50mp files dragging my computer down. But nice to have when needed.
Please bring back Intelligent Preview from a900 Sony.
Please bring back playback magnification at selected AF point.
Please give Elpha’s diagonal scrolling and full articulated lcd screen like real Alpha’s.
Please provide user changeable AA filters like Mamiya MF.
Please provide Leica S2 style strap lugs on all four corners of camera.
Please move the flash shoe forward on A-Mount cameras.
Please make locking flash adapter.
Please keep all USB ports consistent with all cameras.
I said please.
Offhand, does anybody know the resolving ability of my insanely sharp 100/2.8 macro at 2.8 in great light?
Do you?
No, it was a genuine inquiry. I know about line pairs, etc., but I was wondering if anybody has conducted some sort of resolution test on it.
I love that lens.
I never actually use this lens at f/2.8, I’m up around f/8 or f/11 for DOF.
It’s quite decent according to lenscore.org, especially considering the price.
They are clearly going after the Nikon 14-24. It will be interesting to see the head to head results
Im amazed to be honest.
Zeiss cant even outresolve the 24mp with their 16-35mm, im amazed how Tamron can easy outresolv the double amount of Megapixel with 1mm more wide-angle.