I am getting more and more feedback about the NEX-7 successor.
1) First of all many sources confirmed that this is the only interchangeable camera to come this year! As you know the new Sony CEO imposed a radical change in the roadmap. While this didn’t affect too much the A and E Lens roadmap it completely revamped the A-mount world. But it seems that also the NEX-7 successor went through some changes. First of all the small NEX-7n udpate expected to come in Spring had been delayed.
2) A trusted source told me that Sony decided to go change some more “things” on the next NEX-7 successor. First of all it will not be named “NEX-7n” anymore. It will have a new name.
3) A new source told me that this will be Sony’s first camera not having the Anti Aliasing filter. And let’s see if this will also be the first camera with the new JPEG engine we could see on the soon to be announced “Honami” Smartphone with large 1/1,5 inch sensor.
In summary, the NEX-7 successor is going ti be announced in Summer, it will ship from October and is expected to have some new features and a new name (no more NEX-7n). I am still uncertain about the final specs and I hope I can receive some reliable rumors soon. Thank you sources 😉
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Reminder (SR = Sonyrumor):
SR1=probably fake rumor
SR2=rumor from unknown sources
SR3=50% chance it is correct
SR4=rumor from known sources
SR5=almost certainly correct!
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No AA filter is not a good choice when it comes to video, too big of a trade off for only slight increase in sharpness
Removing the AA filter is a good choice for a 24+Mpix APS-C sensor in my opinion. Cameras with AA filter also show moire, so why not getting rid of it, especially when the pixel density reaches this range. Tests shows that D7100 doesn’t moire worse than the Canon 5D3 for example.
I am really looking forward to the best APC-S camera from Sony! 😉
Truth be told, there’s already extremely little between the NEX 7 and filterless 24 MP crop sensors in terms of sharpness, while the NEX controls moire much better. So the only benefit I see is sensor thinning to improve corner performance…. and possible marketing benefits.
Truth be told, there’s already extremely little between the NEX 7 and filterless 24 MP crop sensors in terms of sharpness, while the NEX controls moire much better. So the only benefit I see is sensor thinning to improve corner performance…. and possible marketing benefits.
This AA filter is affecting only full resolution 24 Mpixel photo mode. Lack of AA filter will not affect low resolution 2 Mpixel video mode at all.
OK, let’s start listing expected changes:
– better EVF, as leaked earlier
– no AA filter and, respectively,
– higher MP count
– nominal video
– photography oriented tool
– …
How many megapixels can todays lenses resolve?
I did some math.
A good prime can resolve 300 line/pairs/mm.
Many are even better
That translates to about 150 megapixels for aps-c.
Or 350 megapixels for full frame sensor.
A square ff format could support about 450 megapjxels.
I am only stating that this is what many of todays primes can be do before the uninformed masses start saying lenses can’t handle higher resolution.
What actually can or can’t be done will depend on new sensor technology.
I think this was aimed at me 😉 not sure if you’ve read this article Barry(http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/resolution.shtml), it makes excellent reading. Not sure if you factored in other limiting items such as diffraction into your calculations. I do hope you’re correct in your thoughts though as it would mean our good glass would remain future proof as sensor tech moves on..
My comment was intended for a group of people like yourself not to you individually.
Diffraction is an EDGE effect caused by the diaphragm at small openings.
There are two ways to reduce this effect.
The larger the opening (see low f number ) the less the effect because the edge is a smaller percent of the opening.
A perfectly round flat apperture produces very little diffraction an some old lenses had a slot to insert these diaphrams.
Sellecting a leaf diaphragm with more leaves will produce a rounder hole and less diffraction at higher f numbers.
A 9 blsde diaphram will perform better than a 7 blade.
In any event diffration is only an issue at higher f numbers.
To simplify my long response.
For best resolution avoid both the highest and the lowest f stops. Stick to the middle.
If you do need to shoot at high f numbers select a lens with more leaves on the diapghram.
GPS, new microlens for better wide-angle support, pictbridge! I command you, Sony!
Any chance of pressing your sources for firmware news?
Coming in August!
Thanks, I’ll be looking forward to the rumours then. 😀
Information is coming in August, or the camera?
The firmware update. The camera likely in August too but I am not sure yet.
thanks, gosh I really hope sooner than later.
Firmware update for the A77?
What updates will it include? JPEG engine and Tethering?
Hope a 2.0 firmware for our Nex-7 !!!
Andrea do you mean A99V firmware update, too?
A77 for sure. A99 I don’t know. But guys, if you love A-mount news you will be happy to hear the next rumors 😉
Do you have some rumours you are working on ?
Yes. The new A-mount roadmap. I finally got a clue about what’s coming. More cameras and more lenses than I acutally expected. All from early 2014.
Awesome!
Hell yeah that sounds like a post that I look forward to reading
Hell yeah that sounds like a post that I look forward to reading
Will there be an NEX-7 firmware update? Thanks!
A mount rumors is highly expected!
Waiting for your good news on A-mount…
Yes, working on it. First bots coming next week.
What kind of update of firmware? Lens profile again???
August 27th early morning London time.
Same time as every year 🙂
Removing AntiAliasing Filter from camera like this is a mistake if u ask me.
It makes noise to look more harsh but not only noise, but also bokeh!
Yes AAF or lack of it, makes resolution to shine and its “must” for serious landscapers, but not a good thing for most of the users.
I love good bokeh and if this makes it worse > its a deal breaker for me.
Bull$$$t. AA filter can’t affect noise or bokeh in any way. Only moire/sharpness.
+1
You do not know what you are talking about.
Try D800E vs D800 with same lens and setup to see with your own eyes.
You need to understand that the D800E is not simply a regular D800 without the AA filter. It is in fact D800 with yet another filer on top of the AA filter already present, designed to combat its effects. So while you do get increased sharpness with the D800E, and for all we know this could have some bearing on things other than sharpness, you shouldn’t compare the image quality with cameras that truly lack AA filter to begin with.
There is no reason to expect the presence or absence of an anti-alias filter to affect bokeh at all. Bokeh is about gradations over widths of dozens or hundreds of pixels. The AA filter concerns detail only a few pixels wide.
I doubt it’s going to make bokeh worse but weird behaviour at high ISO might theoretically be possible due to stochastic resonance interfering with wrong (alias) detail. I have never seen such though.
For the love of God I hope Sony drops the alphabet naming scheme and just adopt the Mark 1,2,3 etc.. thing. Sony and Nikon have to figure out at some point that there are only so many numbers and letters in any language.
They can use Unicode. 😉
Global shutter?
nope.
Global shutter is horribly bad for a still camera. It decreases sensitivity by a stop. People were complaining about 1/2 stop sensitivity lost due to SLT mirror, imagine the whining when they see 1 stop lost to global shutter.
Just because it has lost sensitivity in other sensors doesn’t mean it always has to! Actually I think a global shutter would be great in a still camera. No noise, no movement, no moving parts and it should be able to sync to a flash at silly high rates.
Nex-7n -> Nex 8
No, it will be the NEX-X1 so they can keep in line with Canon and Fuji
Very pleased to hear about the AA filter being removed. It makes sense for the top-of-line stills camera in the range. Hopefully better sensor microlenses, since the NEX7 had lots of color corner shift with some native and rangefinder lenses. I wish “changing some more things” would includ a fullframe sensor.
Agreed. FF will not happen yet, but lets at least hope for jawdropping low light capabilities. 🙂
No way “jawdropping”. Also they will have to put some PDAF pixels on sensors (which isn’t good for lowlight)
Only a very small percentage of pixels is used for the PDAF. Losing less than 10% of pixels would have no significant effect on exposure, and PDAF is much less than that.
On the other hand, losing 10% of the pixels to an AF array would most certainly have an effect on detail captured within the image. Doesn’t sound very appealing.
>On the other hand, losing 10% of the pixels to an AF
come on, that’s 24 mp! you could use 33% of pixels without losing in detail to 16 mp sensor 🙂
obviously they took some care to pick placement or AF pixels so there won’t be large clusters without normal pixels entirely…
only thing to worry about is that PDAF pixels would be hidden from users and Sony will pick bad interpolation
October? Damn.. Hoped to be able to buy it together with one of the new Zeiss lenses …
The Zeiss lenses will still be on sale in October, so your hopes will come true.
Bull$$$t. AA filter doesn’t affect noise or bokeh in any way. Only moire/sharpness.
Things are looking up – glad I resisted the temptation to go to the dark side! Now all I need to know is whether my sigma lenses will be compatible on-sensor pdaf…
Thats an easy question. PDAF doesn’t even support all Sony lenses let alone Minolta or ANY third party lens. Sony doesn’t and won’t support them which honestly hurts Sony more than the lens makers. Soon you won’t be able to get 3rd party lenses in A-mount.
Easy, name it “nex 9” and put a full frame sensor in it.
Expect it to have technology you’ll see in the next a-mount.
I’m guessing that whatever hybrid af system it uses, will also go into the next a-mount a few months later.
I’m guessing the af improvement is going to be big enough that an update to nex 5r/6 pdaf now would be pointless…
Think you’re right about it being a sneak preview of what we can expect from the new a-mount.
Niko, the AA filter has nothing to do with noise. Noise comes from the aplification of the signal, which is produced by the sensor.
So big vote against the AA filter!
Niko, the AA filter has nothing to do with noise. Noise comes from the aplification of the signal, which is produced by the sensor.
So big vote against the AA filter!
Nope. There are several sources of noise (photon shot noise, pixel readout noise, ADC noise, thermal current, etc.) and amplification is the weakest of them.
Nikon D7100’s 24 mp sensor has no AA filter
Any new lenses released before the revused 7?
Any new lenses released before the revised 7?
I’m not really sold on the no-AA filter thing:
http://www.martin-doppelbauer.de/foto/tippstricks/aliasfilter/index.html
Things could be different on a Bayer based sensor though. I haven’t seen such bad artifacts from the recent nikon cameras yet.
Bottom line is that I’m totally satisfied with todays sensor performance so I don’t really care about the AA filter or the lack thereof. I’m more interested in the new VF and hope for a touch-swivel screen.
Weathersealed + GPS and I would be VERY interested
Sony changing names again. Why even bother since their names never seem to make any sense wrt their previous products. I think a random number generator would be cheaper than the marketing department…
Agreed. I think they need to synchronize the a-mount and e-mount body numbers better as well as pick a convention and stick with it. I’m not sure where they go with the a99. It succeeded the a900 and there was a low end a100 so they cannot go there. Maybe just go with a1, a3, a7, a9 ( I assume there will not be 5 bodies per generation). When the successor is released – a9 series II might work (just not mark II…).
Although Canon and Nikon’s names have been all over the map.
I hope to see big improve in video mode .
+ Hopefully a sensor protecting mechanism for when changing lenses, would be great, saw something about it in a previous post about sony patent. This *IS* an interchangeable lens camera, so this should have been in all cameras from now on. So we can change all those great prime lenses in the field.
+ Finally a sensor that can handle wide-angle, fish-eye lenses.
This is good news. The flagship shouldn’t be the last to get new tech. Come on, make this a true flagship… till FF NEX.
Am I the only one hoping for a better dynamic range. Maybe ISO50-25600?
why not ISO 25?
ask for more to get something, but don’t hold your breath!
(My prior post didn’t post about this)
Admin, the NEX-7 successor will be the third interchangeable lens still camera released by Sony this year not the only one.
It was meant from now on sorry!
Why are my comments not posting?
for sony to push this camera back so far says to me they are going to put a full frame sensor in it, this camera will definitely be a game changer
Arrrrgh! Another delay following another rumored release date for the Nex-7 successor… This has become a pattern that does not help anyone, certainly not Sony.
I wonder if this new (nex) specs will be implemented to the new dslr aswell ?
i’ve been waiting for a long time , NEX-7 successor !
Hi,
Im in no mans land… Just sold all my Nikon gear, hoping there would be a 7n or whatever released in May and the rumours now point towards an autumn release. Im without gear so….should I get the Nex 6 or the 7 as a stop gap solution? Suggestions would be very welcome.
Thanks in advance….
Ajit
Get the NEX-7, awesome camera I love mine. Cannot beat 24 mpixel 🙂
Plus the TriNavi controls on the NEX-7 is utter genius! Just buy a fast prime for low light and with the silver 18-200mm and you are sorted. I have the Sony 35/f1.8 and I can take the same shot(same settings) with ISO 400(@f1.8) instead of 1600(@f3.5) and the NEX-7 looks near enough the same at ISO 400 & ISO 100
I don’t think this delay means full-frame implementation. That’d be counter to the concept of a small camera system.
I’d hope this is a rethink of the rationale of the higher-end NEX. As I recall, it’s been suggested that the target is to compete better with immediate rivals such as the OM-D, Fuji X, Panasonic etc. The things that mark these out as presently superior are elements of their armoury which are purely photographic. Things like image quality, high-ISO performance, colour fidelity, tonal range, along with other issues that bother photographers such as shutter sound (the OM-D’s is described as like the shutting of a Bentley’s door: Pure discreet quality), fast, accessible user interface, weather-proofing (who wants to take an expensive travel camera that won’t travel?) and (in the case of the D) rapid, dependable AF. It’s more logical, and will gain more impact and kudos to work on these, of the 7’s faults, as a picture-taking machine, than as a camcorder (bar for over-heating issues etc, of course).
…Don’t know how they can compete with the OM-D’s 5D image stabilser, tho’. Suppose they’ve got to improve in other ways. Developing the quality of APS-C sized sensor is an obvious one, and how about that patent they registered recently where a blind covers the sensor automatically when a lens is removed?…*That* would be *very* practical…
Stop trolling.
Why would you regard my comments as trolling?
Disregard Peter. He lacks social skills.
I never understood that: why would anyone want the camera to be weather sealed (that makes it quite a bit more expensive) when none of the lenses are weather sealed? Can anyone explain that to me? For me it makes no sense, if the lens isn’t sealed I’ll not take the camera out in rain anyways…
I suppose it’s because the camera body, in at least the case of the NEX-7, is the single most expensive piece of kit in the system, and the thing around which the system revolves. If a lens suffers from “weather” then it can always be put aside, while one continues taking pictures with other lenses.
The reason why I typed “weather” is because the only environmental issues that lenses I’ve owned over the years, have ever suffered from, have been dust, and fungus when poorly kept. I’ve shot in all kinds of weather, admittedly, using a variety of lens macs and, because of this, never had any problems. But the camera has always been a vulnerable spot. I often shoot in, if not rain, then mild drizzle that just came on as the shot developed. It’s just the nature of what I’ve had to do.
Optics can be cleaned, but fused microelectronics are another issue…
Is there any rumours for weather sealing on the 7s successor?I missed 2 days of shooting while travelling as a result of a single grain of sand jamming the shutter button causing it to remain half depressed permanently.
For Pete’s sake get the following right this time!!!
-Clean HDMI out 4:2:2
-Mic in w/AGC disable
-Much better bracketing
-Intervalometer built in (9999 frames at least)
.. and in-body stabilizer would be nice….
Just keep it exactly the same form factor so it will work in my expensive Nauticam underwater housing, otherwise I won’t buy it because the housing is 2X more expensive. Instead of trying to come out with several new cameras, how about proving some small quality e-mount lens, like a longer usable macro and medium telephoto zoom in the 16-105 range. Without them, the camera bodies with their high MP”s aren’t worth much.
When you say “the NEX-7 successor is going to be announced in Summer” – What would be your best guess as to what month that would be? June? August?
Based on previous knowledge of Sony announcements & the likely timeframe from announce-to-release.
Frankly, I only care about one change: the ability to use a cable shutter release and a wireless RF shutter release. Being limited to an infrared shutter release sucks and I am not buying until there is a proper shutter release.
How about Hybrid AF including phase-detection? Am I missing something or is there a 24mp NEX with this? Its only on the NEX6, correct?
So did it turn out to be the Sony NEX-5T ???